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‘The Tables Turn Sometimes’

Posted by Randy Lange on September 30, 2007 – 9:42 pm

The Jets locker room was a tough one today. Even on the best of days, the Ralph Wilson Stadium visitors room is difficult to navigate: too small for an NFL team, especially after a game when garment bags and equipment duffels take up precious floorspace for players and reporters alike.

But on days like these, the place really shrinks around the players who are frowning and trying hard to make sense of what just transpired.

"This was a game we couldn’t really afford to lose," said tight end Chris Baker.

But lose the Jets did, and the shame of it for the defense is that the unit had its best game of the season.

No, it wasn’t dominant, and yes, Trent Edwards looked much too comfortable as a rookie QB making his first NFL start.

But the D had some moments. Two sacks, two takeaways, a big third-down play to get the ball back for the offense in the final two minutes. And rookie Marshawn Lynch did not do a three-figure number on the run defense — he had an 11-yard TD run, but his 22 other carries gained 68 yards, a shade over three a carry.

One of the sacks and the one fumble recovery — the Jets’ first of the season — came from LB Victor Hobson, who’s done some good things over the years in the western New York woods. But unlike last year, when he returned a fumble for a TD, Hobson could only offer a sad smile at this day’s work

"I just like coming out here and playing football, knowing it’s going to be a hard-fought game every time I come up here," he said, giving the Bills their due. "I wish I could enjoy it. The tables turn sometimes."

On slowing down Lynch, he had to agree: "I felt like we did a good job. At the same time, we didn’t win." There was that sad smile again.

And Hobson said he and his teammates aren’t throwing in the towel.

"We’ve just got to learn from our mistakes," he said. "We’ll bounce back. We won’t get down on ourselves. We’ve just got to understand the situation we’re in and think positive."

I know how the fans are feeling today — I’ve read the comments that came in on the Radar during and immediately after the game. And I know Hobson’s comments are the type to drive many of you up a wall.

But what else can the Jets say? They lost a game they need to win, they feel bad and they feel they’re better than this. I don’t sense any players giving up. I’m looking forward to seeing how they tighten it up this week and get ready for their next "road game." The general goals are a win over the host Giants and a 2-3 record, which of course was what they were last year after their 41-0 jacking in Jacksonville. If the Jets could fight back from that start, they can fight back from this one.

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98 Responses to “‘The Tables Turn Sometimes’”

  1. By rudy iacono on Sep 30, 2007 | Reply

    Unfortunately Jet fans Bill Parcells doesn’t look like he will be unretiring any day soon. Yes the Jets stink from top to bottom and please let us not excuse the ownership. Mediocrity has become the mantra at Weeb Ewbank hall soon coming to a New Jersey neighborhood near you. I feel like a Jet without a country and wish to sing to the Jet faithful “Please don’t cry for me Jetatina”.

  2. By Drew on Sep 30, 2007 | Reply

    I am a grown man and I still cannot get over how badly I take losses like this!! I just don’t understand how the Bills with a ton of players hurt and a rookie QB outplay us. I continue to shake my head while I type.. I might be missing from the Radar for a couple days…today was a really bad loss for us. The playoffs are almost out of the picture after 4 games. This is depressing!!

  3. By bjb_nyj101 on Sep 30, 2007 | Reply

    This is mainly on jets management. We need better players badly, and instead of going out there and getting them, they let the patriots, who were already better than us, go out and get Welker,Stallworth,Adalius Thomas, and Moss. What are they doing? We dont have big linemen, but yet mangini insists on running the 3-4. Chad cant stretch the field, so enemy DB’s sit on those short routes all day.

  4. By Nep Oznat on Sep 30, 2007 | Reply

    Let’s face it, Randy. The players do have to try to give a positive spin but this comes down to poor coaching. Poor game plan. Poor play calling on offense and defense. No adjustments. Wrong players for the chosen scheme. A team playing with little fire, unlike the Bills.
    Another lost season! Wait till next year! But after 37 years I’m done waiting. This team is beyond help.

  5. By Vikram on Sep 30, 2007 | Reply

    I believe in staying positive randy, but major changes are needed. Jones had 12 carries throughout the game. Our secondary seems porous most of the time. We seem to have no pass rush whatsoever. This season we have a touch schedule, so coming back will be a lot harder. The team has to prove a lot right now – validate that last year’s season wasn’t a fluke resulting from a soft schedule. GO JETS!!!

  6. By johnwer on Sep 30, 2007 | Reply

    I am getting sick of hearing the ‘Jets Mantra’ about how we have to improve on the things we did wrong…..they played like they were afraid to lose. This game reminded me of some of the Herm Edwards’ games, ultra-conservative on offense until your behind late and on the defensive side, no pass rush and receivers wide open almost every play. Pathetic football.

  7. By sal on Sep 30, 2007 | Reply

    was wadsworth that bad, not ot make this team, or bad judgement. they need a pass rush, period. dont waste t.jones, pound it till something gives.

  8. By Mike W on Sep 30, 2007 | Reply

    I am a huge Jets fan who lives in the midst of upstate New Yorkers who are huge Bill’s fans. Buffalo’s QB handled the pressure well. To an extent I can’t say Chad did the same. Yes he was hot once he got rolling but its tough watching him throw 2 INT directly to BUF defenders. His lob passes are catching up to him. Defenses can read and react without hesitation. I think its time to pass the torch.

  9. By David Hubbard on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Once again the inability to display any kind of vertical passing game has cost the Jets a win.

  10. By tony on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    A good coach develops a team conforming to the talent on hand, recognizing the strengths of key players and installing a system that allows them to flourish. Converting this D to a 3-4 was a mistake last year, as Robertson and Vilma have been negated. They were lucky to finish 10-6 because of a relatively weak schedule. Move to a 4-3, utilize your best players and lets play some D!

  11. By Jeremy on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Does anybody realize that to play a 3-4 you need a good, no great NT, and guess what Robertson isn’t even close to good. He hasn’t done anything since being drafted. Get him out! The D is so bad right now that Eli is going to look like Peyton next week. Where is Harris? Put Harris and Vilma in the middle and let Thomas rush the outside. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DRAFT A PASS RUSHER and NT!!

  12. By Charles on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    It’s only going to get worse from here on out and you thought this game was bad. Next week is going to be more of an embarasement . I’ve been a Jet fan a long time and it’s going to be hard to stomach another losing season. There is nothing great about Mangini whatsoever last year going to the playoffs was a 1st year fluke. I think Herm did a better job and we had a 4-3 Defence. I hate 3-4 defence

  13. By uncle joe on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Against the Ravens,needing a score coaching had Clemens throwing all over the place(agaist the best D)Against the worst D coaching let Chad do little dump offs ,no threat of a deep pass.Is it because he has no arm?Any pass over 20 yards is lobbed so softly,DBs have forever to defend.Endzone passes are all faids,Clemens zipped the ball at the goal line.Next home game Chad will be booded off.

  14. By kgp on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    All well and good … but doesn’t it just get OLD after a while to see other team’s rookies run rampant on the Jets? Why do other teams get their defensive backs in the same TV screen picture as an opposing receiver but we can’t?

  15. By njphones on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    We need a quaterback who has a strong arm, that can throw the ball down field with some power. I love Chad, but we can’t win with him, his arm only got weaker after his latest surgery. When do we bring in Clemmons? When we are 1-4? 2-7?

  16. By John on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Horrible loss is all I can say and this pretty much kills the season. Clearly we have too many issues at this point to even think about the playoffs. It all starts with defense and not forcing enough 3 ant outs. We need to overhaul front 7 (trade Vilma, start Harris for Barton, get Pouha more reps, etc.) Has B. Thomas made a tackle all season?On offense we need to think about Clemens really fast.

  17. By Anonymous on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    “But what else can the Jets say?” – What is there to say when your QB hangs his hat on ‘not making mistakes’? Pennington doesn’t have the arm to compensate for poor decision-making. He made the worst defense in the league look like the 85 Bears. Is his ankle bothering him? Can he not plant his feet properly? Whatever the problem is, I’ve seen enough. It’s time to see what we’ve got. START KELLEN!!

  18. By PPJonezdad on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    A good team starts with Defense, and the Jets have the wrong personnel upfront for a 3-4, especially with Robertson. The Jets need a Pat Williams type nose tackle – one which can up 2-3 blockers and free up Vilma. Right now they look like swiss cheese. And for the offense – time to put Clemmons in, Chad is not the answer. I agree with Uncle Joe’s comments.

  19. By Ira on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    On that 4th and1 TD pass by Edwards the Jets were totaly out quessed. They stacked the line and i said to the person next to me the best thing is to role Edwards out and throw a pss to the TE.Well quess what ? The Bills really had a good game plan starting out passing and the Jets did not adjust early to that. They let Edwards get comfortable and the results wre not good. Hope they can regroup.

  20. By Joe on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    One or two more losses and it’s time to play Clemens. I’ve always been a fan of Chad, but if this season is going down the drain, it’s time to prepare for the future. Also, although the D played better, SUTTON NEEDS TO GO!! The 3-4 has been a TOTAL FAILURE. We don’t have the personnel for it and we get out-coached and out-schemed every single week.

  21. By Joe on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Week in, week out, win or lose, we’re going to have a consistent approach. Oh really, Coach? When I went to B school, we learned that taking the same approach and expecting different results is the definition of INSANITY. Eric – don’t insult us with your say-nothing answers any longer. You get out-coached every week. You 3-4 defense is just about the worst in the league. CHANGE YOUR APPROACH!!!!

  22. By Kaya on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Well, I’m very disappointed. No Defense and Chad has been very poor at his decisions lately. SAME OLD JETS!!! One year they win and the next year they’re back to being jokers!!!!

  23. By Joe on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    As I choke back the vomit from this pathetic game, I can’t help but wonder if Eric will finally come to the realize that his 3-4 defense (and Bob Sutton) are the laughing stocks of the NFL. Out-schemed and out-coached on the defensive side of the ball for 4 games now. Are we shooting for 16? Here comes another top five pick so we can select another Brick (who STINKS by the way).


  24. By Viveca on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Let’s face it. We’re going nowhere. We have a questionable offensive line, a defensive that can’t put pressure on anybody and wouldn’t be able to sack my grandmother, a QB who can’t throw the ball more than 20 yards…
    Well, folks! Time to start all over again. Put Clemens in-What do we have to lose?Sutton talks about staying the course…how about doing it somewhere else???

  25. By johnny on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Wow – this team stinks, and if you look at their schedule, they might not win until week 13.

    I have my theories as to why, for now I will let it be.

  26. By Ira on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Cotchery continues to show he is one of the better WR’s in the league. I thought Hobson played a good game and while i will get killed for this Chad put up some good #’s. I am sure he would like to have those 2 throws back that got picked. The Bills did play a 2 deep zone and Chad was forced to take the underneath stuff. They got away from the run too early.This lose is not on 1 but all of them.

  27. By Frank on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    I predicted this last week and it’s going to get worse. Mangini has lost this team with his ridiculous personel moves and curious coaching decisions. This team has no passion no life and it plays that way. With this stupid core values mantra I feel like we are back to the days of Hess/Kotite who wanted a bunch of robots and choir boys playing for the team. Did Barlow change his number to #20.

  28. By uncle joe on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    the D Got 2 turnovers,They got you the ball back to tie it up.Chad in hurry-up stays at the line reading the D for 10 seconds only to dump it off.He had no arm befor the surgeriesLet Clemens play.Even Cotchery was Quoted saying “they played us deep,but in most cases we were open”.Mangini says the best players will play.Practice what you preech.Next home game is not gonna be pretty for Chad.

  29. By Justin on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Ok, guys honestly if ur a Jets fan you would support your team. I know the D hasn’t played like a Ravens or Patriots team but were making positive progress which is what we want the O is getting better quickly too. Sooner or later the Jets defence will be ready, getting plenty of sacks, INT’s, FF and FR, just wait. Mangini is a great coach. The only thing i would say is put David Harris beside J.V

  30. By Vikram on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Ira, I agree, the Jets lost on all fronts. There were a few positives but even the most loyal fan must admit that they are being eclipsed by the many negatives. What are the odds Mangini tries a 4-3 defense against the Giants? Any opinions? No pass rush next week and we’re looking at giving up big TDs. We cannot afford to play catch-up next week.

  31. By GCT on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    The biggest weakness is the defensive line, who only showed up against the bills because they aren’t a good offensive team. Next week is a time for the start of a turnaround going against a pretty good team like the giants with a strong O’-line. If the jets can beat the giants. They won’t be in terrible shape

  32. By Patrick on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Just end the season, what were we thinking ? when will we have a team again ? Being a jets fan is a terrible curse, and when I do have children, they will NEVER share my family affliction ! this stinks, and I don’t like it !

  33. By james on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    hey randy whats wrong with the o line they played well against miami and the running game stunk this week the 3-4 it showed up in a way u think coach mangini should take over the d and have kellen start under center since number 10 is making bad plays chad is a wonderful qb and a leader but do u think it’s time for the futher instead more bad games it’s the 2005 season all over again

  34. By Eric on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    What I’d like to know is why the offense would try to throw the ball to Justin McCareins on 2 different late 4th Qtr drives, neither of which had a chance to be completed; the last of which was an INT that *MY* grandmother could have caught… Justin was nowhere CLOSE to open on that play. So instead of giving Mike another shot at tying the game, we hand the whole thing to the Bills. Thx Chad :(

  35. By ron on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    we need a QB that can go deep thats why we cant run. When is the jets going to face it Chad anit the same Chad.

  36. By Taylor on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    They need to find their fire. I want to see every defensive player sticking people like its the playoffs. This is football! Where’s the fire guys? Where’s the burning to scrap for every yard, to shut down their offense, to say to yourselves and everyone out there “No matter where we are, this is our house. We will not just win games, we’ll pry them out of your fingers after we’ve sacked you.”

  37. By Schuyler on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    I had high hopes for this team this year. I thought they were going to go out and compete with the best of them. Not so, the defense looks flat, the offense looks like they’re on separate pages and there is no passion. They’re surrounded by talent and they can’t beat up a wounded Bill’s team, ranked last in a ton of statistical categories. It’s the same old Jets, let’s hope they turn it around.

  38. By Mike on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    I’ve been a Chad fan for a very long time, but honestly, its time to go. We have a solid backup with a cannon for an arm, unlike Chad’s water pistol. In today’s game we need a QB with a strong accurate arm because the Corners eat up the lobs and weak passes #10 gives our recievers. Put in Clemens cause Pennington is not getting the job done, by any means.

  39. By Brandon on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    I think we are all blinded by the fact the defense has played awful. As I sit here and not try to throw my computer across the room I can’t help but blame the offense. We scored 14 pts on a miserable defense. Granted we gave up 17 pts to a rookie QB but in reality 17 pts isn’t terrible. Fact is the offense needs to score some points. Especially since the defense isn’t going to hold anyone under 10

  40. By tom brady on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    jets are a bunch of babies


  41. By Steve on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Say what you want Jets fans, while there is virtually no running game for the green and white, Lamont Jordan is tearing it up in Oakland. I’ll never forgive Jets management for letting him go…

  42. By uncle joe on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    If you cant complete a pass with Coles,Cotchery and Baker against a team missing 6 players on D(one corner was a 3rd stringer),then I think its time to stand up and SIT YOURSELF.

  43. By Murrell2878 on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    We need to find a way to generate a pass rush. The defensive playcalling has been terrible. There is no way a rookie QB should be able to stand in the pocket with the amount of time Edwards had yesterday. I am very disappointed.

  44. By Jeremy on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Can’t blame Nuggent for this one, our D is awful. How do you let the worst statstical Offensive team with a rookie Q from Stanford with a shoddy Offensive at best have a field day. If we don’t go out and draft a NT and DE that can create some pressure, cause we all know at this point we are playing for a top 3 draft pick, I’m done supporting Sutton. Our D is good on paper.

  45. By Ira on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    They did play some 4 man fronts yesterday. I am not sugar coating anything. They played the run good enough to win. The Jets should’ve been able to score pts vs this team. The Jets let Edwards get too comfortable and he gained confidence as the game went on. They must get the O and D lines to play better or both sides of the ball won’t work. Lets try to get to 2-3 and see what happens.

  46. By Ira on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Just remember they were 2-5 in 02 and looked what happened.Something has to change and very soon. GO JETS!

  47. By Mike B on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Chad to McCareins again at the end!! LOL. I’m done with the Jets until they start Clemmons and/or bench/trade Justin McCareins. These guys are backups! I have to question this organization if they are really interested in winning or not.

  48. By scott on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    just say it ain’t so…i still believe,and i will continue to support my beloved J-E-T-S!!!!!!

  49. By Victor on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Just when you thought Chad could bring this one home he faulted. too many dink and donks. The JETS D need to get a pass rush. this one looks like a very long season.

  50. By Pete on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    I am sick and tired of watching this. They have to fall behind before they show some heart. This franchise is beased on heart. The team needs some heart when the game starts so they don’t have to depend on the deep ball. Run your offense mangini like it’s supposed to be run. Feed Thomas Jones and work the play action off of our running game. But we can’t do that trailing early!

  51. By BC on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Can someone tell me what happened to this team? What happened to the Jets from a year ago? Why can’t they play like last year? I know about the 3-4, the O-line and Chad, but it was the same situation last year and they made it work. Yes there were some easy games last year but they played better. They played tough against the Patriots, Bears and Colts, 3 of the best teams last year

  52. By Wayne on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    An embarrassing loss. We should be playing a 4-3 instead of a 3-4. We can’t get a pass rush with a 3-4 and you can’t give a quarterback all day to throw. On offense, Chad is a good quarterback BUT he has no mobility and his arm although accurate is much too weak. We need to be able to throw the ball long to open up the running lanes and keep our opponent honest. It’s looking like a very long year.

  53. By JP on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    No pass rush whatsover. Chad on paper was great, but bad decisions on the intercepts. This offense has no urgency and too many short passes. All defenses have to do is stay close to the line and stuff Thomas Jones and our 7 yard completions. Play calling was herrondeous, is it me or could you tell exactly when it would be a run and exactly when it would be lobbing pass. – The Bills knew too.

  54. By Frank on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Ira stop drinking the cool aid. Pennigton stunk and I don’t care how many passes he completed. 2 ridiculous interceptions and he badly mis-managed the game early in the second half burning a very valuable time-out. He has no arm and every team in the league is dialed in on this that’s why every game is a dog fight. I am willing to be patient with Clemens. We need to stretch opposing defenses.

  55. By STEVE on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    I’m a long time Jets fan from Virginia, and now my 17 year old son is probaly a bigger fan of the green and white than i ever was. This loss ranks right up there with one of the worse i’ve ever witnessed, please lets go draft some skill players and make a quarterback change so maybe my future grand-son can someday enjoy that second super-bowl.

  56. By Seth on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    For now, I’m going to blame the play calling. The Jets are frustrating me when they are not getting Thomas Jones involved. He is our key to winning. When our defense does nothing but break before bending, you need a run game to establish a neutral area. Pennington needs the opposing defenses to tire out against the run before he tries to “float” his balls to our receivers.

  57. By Vikram on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Wayne, I agree with you. Pennington makes up for a lack of deep balls with a high completion rate. But when the opposing D knows he isn’t going to throw deep, they pay little attention to the deep route runners that are decoys at best. There are more ppl in the box or nearby ready to pounce on the short pass. Big gains are few and far between. This start hurts, but I cannot give in!

  58. By JR on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Are you guys serious? What in the world happened up there? I watched the entire game and could not understand why it took so long to get started….maybe you should all play two quarters before the game begins…Been an avid loyal fan four forty years…and still am…but yous make it tough.

  59. By Jason on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Can we please look for a QB that can throw down field! I watch other games and evry once in a while you see a bomb go down field and than you realize that the Jets cant do that and it hurts evry aspect of our game.

  60. By J JERMAINE on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply


  61. By greenjello on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    I was at the game and I was so embarrassed to wear my jersey!! The defense did improve and play better than any other game. Kudos to Revis once again for stopping the offense! It’s hard to play defense when your qb is throwing stupid interceptions on your own 20! Chad, sorry…no more excuses; I don’t care how smart you are you can not get it done. He is the Anti-Elway in the 2 minute drill.

  62. By BigEd on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    That is a job on the line loss. You don’t make it to the playoffs last year and lose to a team last in offense and defense. I sure hope Woody has spelled out our expectations to Eric, cause that was unacceptable. You only get ONE of those.

  63. By damone on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply


  64. By yanky128 on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    the defense simply don’t have,can’t stop anybody,when mangini is going to realize that he has to go 4-3 with the personnel at hand,and do a better job getting the message to the team,,,,,,,,but there’s always next year

  65. By Anonymous on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Our lacking positions were corner, rb, linebacker, and d line. We got David Bowens and David Harris. We got Kenyon Coleman at DE who’s foing great. Revis gets drafted and Barret improves. The bigest of all was Thomas Jones. We fixed every position and plugged in a soild (young) veteran in every lacking position. They also had a year to get used to 3-4. So whats happening. Should we go back to 4-3.

  66. By Ira on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    The play calling was not bad. OK maybe they didn’t come out agressive and they played conservative. But the dink and dunks were also because the Bills did have some good coverage down the field. Chad did hit Smith,Coles and Cotchery for some longer gains during the game. But with no running game the Bills were able to sit back and take a lot of the passing lanes away.

  67. By kaya on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Ira, I understand that the team did some nice work yesterday when it comes to stopping the run, getting 2 sacks, FF and INT. But you can’t allow to give such 10 yard cushions to the Bills WRs. For every 5 yds the Bills WRs run, the jets DBs run back 5yds, which equals to 10 yrds every singal play. The dink and dunk works wonders when your Defense does not adjust to stop it.

  68. By cheps13 on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Same old JETS!At what point do you stop learning from youre mistakes?we are only 4 games in to the season and that phrase is getting old!Fact is Edwards except for that one sack ,had all day to think about it.I hope i am wrong but this season is over!We cant even beat Buffallo with a rookie QB come on you got to be kidding me.Mangini and Sutton are hard headed this 3-4 is weak!Can i see more Pouha

  69. By Ronald Cioffi on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    I am really tired of hearing we have to correct our mistakes. Week after week the defense is pushed around and the offense takes 8 minutes if they score. Why do the Jets continue not get this defense. No way a first time starting quarterback should be able to have the kind of day he did. I guarantee the next game he will not produce like he did against the JETS. The JET players are all talk .

  70. By pat maio on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    There’s nothing wrong with Pennington that a good defense couldn’t cure.
    Ask the Ravens if they’d like to have Chad. The bottom line is the defense or the lack of it. When will reality set in and Eric make the necessary changes?

  71. By Ira on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    The D–D i was talking about was how the Jets were passing. I agree with you the Jets DB’s gave the Bills WR’s way too much room. Edwards seemed to find WR’s open all day long. In the 1st half the Bills pass/run ratio was2-1. In the 2nd half it reversed and was run/pass 2-1. The Jets never seemed to adjust early to the Bills passing game. Still they shut them out in the 1st half.

  72. By Vikram on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Not to pile on the pressure on Chad, but we even had a chance to tie the game with 1.45 on the clock and a timeout in hand. But I knew that our inability to go deep would cost us. We were hoping someone would break for a big gain like it happened vs. Miami in the penultimate game last year. Oh well, I’ve vented enough..time to look forward to next Sunday and hope for the best!

  73. By on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    I believe that Eric(Opie Taylor)Mangini is the youngest coach in The NFL.”The Mayberry Jets”(I believe) are the youngest team.A lot of people bought intothis “Mangenius”business.”Opie” didn’t ask for the anagram,all he wished to do was learn his new trade.I believe that he is making progress at this endeavor(I have been one of his most “vocal” critics).Booing Chad,a dedicated
    worker,would be sad!

  74. By David M. on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    I cannot believe my eyes while reading these comments. Almost all Jet fans have lost hope and faith in a team that started 2-3 last year and made the playoffs. Which is what we will be if we can beat the Giants next week. I am tired of listening to drama queen fans that are ready to give up. There were a lot uncharacteristic mistakes. We had a lot of penaties. Thus we lost. Have faith Jets fans

  75. By Alexander Villa on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    bad reads between Coles and Pennington are childish. Chad’s not being given to opportunity to throw past fifteen yards. this needs to be done because the running game sucks it SUCKS. So what? throw the damn ball. throw to baker, throw to Jones, and go long to Coles, because it’s not what any team in this league expects us to do. go long. Chad’ll get it there. If not, throw Clemens in to do it.


  76. By John on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    To say I’m disappointed would be an understatement. I was happy how our defense played for a good portion of the game, though we still seem to be unable to put pressure on the QB (there were 2 sacks and some plays where we were in Edwards’ face, but they were few and far between). Rookie, veteran, backup, it doesnt matter. Any QB, when given enough time in the pocket, *continued*

  77. By Christian on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    I’m not optimistic about the season. But I am about at the least, setting a foundation for a Jets team led by Kellen Clemens. I’ve always loved Chad, thick and thin, he’s an excellent role model of a different kind of fortitude. But he’s what we needed last year, not this year. Clemens has the support of the fans, give the kid a shot. For the sake of winning, we should start on the future, now.

  78. By Vikram on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    David M, I live in Boston and in spite of all the adversity and taunting from Pats fans I never have, and never will give up on the Jets. I think the same applies to a number of ppl on these posts. Most are venting, but they will be sure to tune in in 6 days and ride the highs and lows with the team. The parallels to last season are redundant to me – different teams = different pressures. GO JETS!

  79. By king on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    who can stay optomistic over this debacle…….ira….. be realistic all the hoping doesn’t change a thing……a bad football team….mangenius what a joke,same ol’ jets

  80. By Xavion on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Few things the hope isnt lost on the record the hope is lost on the play of the team. Last year everyone says we won cause we had a weak sched. Lets look at the losses we had last year and the stronger teams we played. we lost to patriots by 1 score in 1st gm. We won the 2nd game. We lost by 1 score to the colts on last play of game. we only allowed 10 pts to bears. we lost to browns on bogus call

  81. By Xavion on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    fact of the matter is we simply played better last year so evry1 should stopp calling last year a fluke. Last year we threw the deep ball in fact we threw it about 4 times in game 1. If we dont get the calls from coach to go deep we dont go deep. in the ravens game clemmons didnt go deep. for all the strong arm talk… we dinked and dunked in that game as well. how about a Brad Smith reverse pass?

  82. By Xavion on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Truth is we were a lot more creative Last year on offense. This year not so one of the things I love this year is what arizona decided to do. QB by comittee and with the Varying Talent we have at QB we would be extremely dangerous. Brad Smith, Chad pennington, Kellen Clemmens We’d keep defenses guessing every play. also on that first int that looked to me Like a miscomunication. Ok done venting!

  83. By Frank on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Hey David there is a big difference between last year and this year the Jets just lost to the worst team in the NFL or I should say formally worse team in the NFL that distiction now belongs to the Jets. Look how badly the Raiders beat up on the Dolphins. In a nutshell we are one kickoff return away from 0-4. There are too many good players on this team for this sad state. Management is to blame.

  84. By Charles on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Are D-Fence has no fire or life. I want to see every play and hit like it is there last one. I want to see them hit so hard that the other team players have snot boogers coming out. Come on guys earn that paycheck! I think Clemens and Penny should swith on and off at the helm in a game like Zona is doing. Give Clemens the bomb plays and Penny the short ones or mix it up this will have D guessing.

  85. By BigEd on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Just incase the message in all these posts isn’t clear – we want a team that blows out teams like the Bills; and that let the elite teams know they’ve been in the street fight of their lives when they play the Jets. We want a team that the talkin heads don’t say “They’re only the Jets” We want to win and we want some respect.

  86. By rob on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    5-11. Dominated on both sides of the ball. The defense just keep getting worse. No pressure whatsoever. Mangini gave up on the game when they refused to go on 4th and one in the first half. That was a sign that they didn’t want to win. The offense needs to keep this D off the field. AN awful game plan by Shottenheimer, nothing downfield, no running game. Unbearable to watch.

  87. By CEDRIC on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    How can we have a run game when there is no deep threat, defenses are going to stack the line because we throw check down passes most of the time. so when we run, LB’s are already waiting. The offense is very limited, and looks predictable. I guess there have to coordinate to the QB’s strength, or lack there of.

  88. By Drew on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Ira.. If the Bills were playing a deep zone (which makes no sense against Chad) Y didn’t B-Schott not run the ball all day?? The play calling was bad, horrible gameplan period! Chads 1st INT looked like the INT’s in the pre-season… The problem is the same as the 1st 3 games…NO PASS RUSH. It has become a major issue. The DB’s cant cover all day. Better get fixed or we r done by next week

  89. By Jets1087 on Oct 1, 2007 | Reply

    Come on guys, your better than that, just because Chad doesnt go deep doesnt mean he cant, he did plenty of times last year, there is a game plan in place and yes, sometimes he changes the play at the line but its all on Shottym he calls the plays not Chad. Dont blame Chad entirely on this one, McCareins…….brutal effort on a jump ball that Coles or Cotchery would have pulled down!!! Go Jets GO

  90. By Jay on Oct 2, 2007 | Reply

    If there is no passing game to stretch the field then the running game suffers and when you have a beast like T. Jones, you should continue to feed him the ball. I’ve always loved Chad, great guy, great leader but his lack of ability is hurting the team. We will never be a real threat until he is replaced. You drafted Clemens for a reason, give him a shot. As for the D, Bob Sutton needs to go.

  91. By Jrod on Oct 2, 2007 | Reply

    Bob Sutton has to go. He’s lack of knowledge on how to run a 3-4 is obvious with our play on the field. Our D line generates no pressure, our corner’s and safties always seem out of place which explains Trent Edward’s 22-28 completions and the linebackers look lost sometimes. Either go back to the 4-3 or bring in someone who knows how to coach the 3-4! Is Romeo Cernell fired yet? Bring him in

  92. By NICK on Oct 2, 2007 | Reply

    Chad played well EXCEPT the TWO key INT’s one on his own 20 and one when they need 10 yards for a tying FG Those INT’s are unacceptable and shouldnt have been thrown. He could have completed 100% of his passes and it would not make up for those two FATAL mistakes. Those COST the game both in the second half, 32 of 39 ALL SCREEN PLAYS!!! It WAS SICKINING TO WATCH THEM PLAY THAT GAME. VIVA KELLEN!

  93. By NICK on Oct 2, 2007 | Reply

    i dont think i can watch chad check down to the flat anymore it happens on 80% of thier pass plays. the only reason he had alot of yards is bc washington is a playmaker. Everytime he does not check down you see him lob the pass. Put kellen in and watch him fire the ball lets just hope mccariens can hold onto the ball. The bills are a joke and obviously the Jets are even worse 1-4 here we come!!!

  94. By Mike on Oct 2, 2007 | Reply

    Technically, Nick, you can’t throw 2 ints and have 100% completion. That being said… I agree that you can’t say Chad was good EXCEPT for these certain things. Its the same thing as saying the jets would have won EXCEPT for this and that. However, I guarantee if you asked Chad about the day, he would mention the INTs not completing 32 of 39.
    Kellen will benefit more from sitting a little longer.

  95. By brandon on Oct 2, 2007 | Reply

    Living in Virginia and not being able to see the games i have noticed its all about play calling. Week in and Week out they don’t rush enough, and the O-line cannot create holes. You all complain of Chads arm yeah maybe, but i do believe he can throw the deep ball, they throw to many shallow passes, they need to throw shallow than go for the kill! Yeah Clemens has a strong arm, but he isnt ready

  96. By CEDRIC on Oct 3, 2007 | Reply

    KELLEN is ready, he knows the offense,and if u notice that Shotty plays calls are different when kellen’s under center, notice the calls at the Ravens. I do believe we need to draft a NT, and why is it the HARRIS isnt starting? Every time he’s in there he makes a GREAT play. Maybe they should try POUHA as well.

  97. By Peter on Oct 4, 2007 | Reply

    The team were bad!!! The Defense did some things but a rookie QB looking like Favre or P Manning is not right. No pass rush = loss.
    On O we aretoo predictable with the lob passes but the line is not getting it done.
    If you fail in the trenches on both sides of the ball youre in trouble, we rode a weak schedule last year to the playoffs and are paying the price this year!!

  98. By gmf on Oct 22, 2007 | Reply

    defense has their ups and down, but when will this defense gel together and become a soliditied unit… They are not working together to figure what the offenses are doing. Some games run defense is top notch then some the passing defense is on point but what is going on the only good thing the jets do is special teams. Maybe its time for all or nothing and blitz to hearts content like last year!

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