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First D Packed a Punch Against the Giants

Posted by Eric Allen on August 17, 2010 – 1:10 am

The Jets started their preseason slate without the NFL’s top cornerback, but the league’s best defense lived up to its standards Monday evening. Coach Rex Ryan let his starters play almost the entire first half in the annual battle and they responded with a fine effort that included one of the most vicious hits you’ll ever see.

Veteran outside linebacker Bryan Thomas, donning an unfamiliar No. 58, let the Giants know early that they’d have a tough go of it on the ground as he attacked on the first play and stopped Ahmad Bradshaw for a 4-yard loss behind the line. Two Eli Manning incompletions followed and the Jets were off the field.

But the D was put in an unenviable position a minute later when Giants S Antrel Rolle intercepted Mark Sanchez’s first preseason pass and returned it 59 yards to the Jets’ 1-yard line. The run defense, which finished eighth in the NFL last season and had a healthy Kris Jenkins back, dug in and stopped Brandon Jacobs twice, on first and second downs. Jacobs fought through on third down, barely crossing the goal line over the right side and giving the visitors a 7-0 first-quarter advantage.

“Sometimes you get put in situations like that and no matter how close they are, you have to find a way,” said OLB Calvin Pace, who finished with four tackles. “Our motto is they’re not in until they’re in. We would have liked to have a better goal line stand there, but you have to tip your hat to them.”

“It felt great. It’s been a long time coming,” said Jenkins of his on-field return. “I knew it was something I had to get out of my system. Today was rather great when I got on the field.”

After a long Jets scoring drive, the starting defense came out and forced another three-and-out. Then backup S Eric Smith blocked Matt Dodge’s punt, setting up a Nick Folk field goal, and the Jets were out in front, 10-7.

With Darrelle Revis engaged in a holdout, the Jets proved to be difficult to both run on and pass on before a nationally televised audience. Over the course of the first 15 minutes, the Giants ran the ball six times for 0 yards and Manning’s 6-yard pass to Ramses Barden was his only completion.

Manning avoided a blitz early in the second stanza, stepping up and dropping off a ball to Bradshaw, and the speedy runner advanced it 51 yards to the Jets’ 14. But three plays later, Pace got a free shot from behind on the Giants’ QB and the result would be a three-inch laceration that required 12 stitches to repair.

“I guess when I hit him, Jim [Leonhard] kind of hit him, too,” said Pace. “So it was kind of a double whammy right there. You never want to see anybody get hurt, especially in a preseason game, and hopefully he’ll be fine.”

Facing a third-and-1 from the Jets’ 5, Manning went to the gun and lost control of the rock when Jacobs came rumbling through. Amidst the chaos, the 6’4”, 265-pound Pace, who had a career-high eight sacks in 2009, unleashed a huge shot on the quarterback, snapping Manning’s helmet off, and he eventually wound up caroming into Leonhard. Jacobs recovered and the Giants tied things up on Lawrence Tynes’ 32-yarder, but they were forced to watch their woozy leader head to the exits.

“A hellacious hit by Calvin. I think Brandon Jacobs should send Eli some flowers,” said WLB Bart Scott. “That’s why you finish the play and Mr. Butterfingers here didn’t pick up the ball. I’ll work on that this week. It’s still preseason.”

The Jets, who emptied their defensive bench in the final two minutes of the half, held their opponent to 97 yards on 26 plays. If you remove the Bradshaw play from the equation, you’re talking 46 yards on 25 plays or 1.84 yards per snap.

“In the first half, we established ourselves and got some three-and-outs,” Scott said. “They got a big play with Eli coming out and dumping it to Bradshaw. I think we responded. We could have responded a little bit better on the goal line and hopefully next time will get a stop. I think all in all we looked great.”

While failing to create a turnover, CB Antonio Cromartie had a couple of near thefts in the second stanza.

“We had three opportunities to come up with some turnovers and we came up with none, so that’s something we would like to improve on,” Ryan said. “I was kidding with Cromartie that we’re not getting our money’s worth. He did drop the two but he played great. I was really happy with the way our first defense played.”

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50 Responses to “First D Packed a Punch Against the Giants”

  1. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    I know we all get tired of pointing out Cimini and O’Conner’s anti-Jets hysteria, but the former’s column about the hit on Eli is really too much. First of all, he writes as if pro football isn’t the most physically brutal game on earth, which is one of the main reasons a lot of us who wanted to play it could never have made the cut. Second, he makes the ludicrous claim that the four pre-season games — which they want to cut to two — aren’t the place for pro-style hitting. To make that argument re this of all pre-season games is REALLY absurd. But maybe most ridiculously of all, he reports as if it was the direct hits on Eli by Pace and Leonhard that in fact caused the gash in the QB’s forehead. The replay clearly showed that it was almost certainly the way the helmet rattled against and flew off Manning’s head that caused the wound. There was never any direct hit to Eli’s head by either Jet, Pace hit him in the back and Leonhard hit him in the chest. And those hits were no harder than the hits Eli will start taking in a few weeks. And the Giants say that WE’RE the ones who want to talk instead of play?!

  2. By Musicman7724 on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    I was there at the game. The 1st D looked great out there. Keep up the good work guys.

  3. By IRA on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    EA, It was a fun night being in the new house. Real simple the 1st units looked good the second and thirds lets say need work. Not very happy that Coleman, Cole and Lowery were tourched by b/u’s and a 3rd string QB. They are one bad hit away from replacing Revis, AC or Wilson. So back to the drawing board for them. Folk has to make that 46 yd FG> No wind and a warm night where the ball travels well. Can’t have that especially when the winds and cold set in. Happy for Kellen. He looked better last night than any practice this summer. Wonder if they were showcasing him last night for a trade? If not then they better figure this out real quick. Brunell looked shaky. Lets see what happens vs the Panthers.
    Otherwise the stadium is awesome. It now will truly be Jets stadium when they are there. The Rings of Honor looks great. GO JETS!!!!

  4. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    Tom 64 what lead to Eli getting hit and injured plain and simple he reconized one on one in the Flat changed the play at the line of scimmage confused Jacobs they ran into one other helmet came off then the hit ..Hopefully for Cimini and who ever seen it any other way let me say to them what Vinny in my cousin Vinny said to the Older lady in court room time for a thicker set of glasses….. Now about the game bad news Lowery still giving up to many big plays been saying it since 08 ..M-S looked ready to roll ..V-G still not sold …KC played somewhat better …Thomas and Pace picking up where they left off (BUT) after the 1st unit left the field well lets just say we’ve got big trouble

  5. By Doug on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    blunt force trauma!

  6. By Brian Morgan on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    The Giant’s (and their fans) are all talk. All they do is whine when things don’t go their way. And the way the media bows in front of them like they’re royalty is sickening. I’ll take the hate that the Jets get any day. Who wants a bunch of bandwagon sports writers kissings their butts anyway? I don’t want the Jets to be America’s team. I want them to be our team.

  7. By coat on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    it was leonherd face mask that caused the cut on eli but it was the giants broken play that put him in harms way —-these guys need to hit in order to prepare for the season I can understand cutting it to two preseason games but to call them pointless just show that cimini just does not understand the game—-it’never a good thing to see anybody get hurt and I’m glad it didn’nt ruin the giants or their fans season but thats the risk of playing football if there was no risk of injury it would be called bowling and the violance is half of the draw

  8. By Frank on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    Randy, sorry but with the Giants missing key players and a patched up O-line, our vaunted D shuold have stopped them on the goal line after the Sanchez gift. Jacobs had a lot of trouble scoring down low last year and to me this was not good. Secondly, Sanchez as was a bad habit last year had an early turnover giving the Giants a quick six that is not showing improvement but to me is alarming. He has been throwing a lot of picks in camp thus far. The 0-line minus Mangold and Faneca looked lousy they couldn’t run the ball and had stupid penalties.

    The highlights where Clemens who is significantly better than Brunell throwing to Holmes who was terrific. The lowlights and question is why is Lowery and Coleman still on this team? The are both awful particularily Lowery who is constantly getting burned and has been since day 1. I have been saying for years Lowery is a liability and so is Coleman time to send both packing.

    Folk is going to give this team major heartburn this year. He has not been good kicking from over 40 yards and to me doesn’t look confident when he is kicking at that distance.

    In summary the O-line, Kicking game and Sanchez all key questions going into the season in my view did not impress last night and will bear watching the last few pre-season games.

  9. By kgp on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    Randy … I don’t know if you can answer this but are there plans to release the Jet’s Hard Knocks Series on DVD like HBO does with other series ?

  10. By Randy Lange on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    kgp, I don’t know the answer to that, but if so HBO will want to publicize that on newyorkjets.com and other sites, so we’ll find out soon.

  11. By ScottH on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    I thought both the 1st defense ond offense did a great job. I was a bit dissapointed in the run game though, I expected to see better numbers than that but I’m sure that will improve when Nick is back on the line and LT gets a little more comfortable with the system.

  12. By russ on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    Cimini Tom represents the “cookies and milk” crowd in our journalistic pantheon of apologists and “aint it awful lets make a new rule” type…Nothing really significant happened in last nigt fans the good, the bad, and the ugly….Personally I thought the face mask pull against the Jet defender in Cruz’s exceptional catch was a blatant missed call by the refs…also amd wary of our kicking game….and by the way Sanchez is still a rookie in training..

  13. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    I hope those who seem to think we have or need only one player noted what Holmes said after the game yesterday about how he plans “to be here for a couple of years.” Yeah, if you manage the team smartly enough to hold onto your key players, not just one egotistical crybaby. Holmes also said, “Anyone who complains about not getting enough balls needs to play on his own team. It’s about winning the Super Bowl.” Only in the crazy world of the New York press could this guy be branded the troublemaker and Revis laughingly referred to as “our Derek Jeter.”

  14. By dougmc on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply


  15. By Kaya on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    I have to say that Lowery was simply aweful last nite. This guy not only gets burn on regular season, but he gets burn on preseasons. Just plain aweful

  16. By carl on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    This is what Jet fans were waiting for a new stadium. What a joke!!!! if your in concoarse 300, small seats, 3rd class service!!! Parking was a joke!!! Season tickets for sale anyone interested?Last year for me !!Thanks Woody!!!

  17. By Matt on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    Apparently, if you want to be seen as the NFL reciever who makes he tough catches in tight coverage, D Lowery is the corner for you. Come on DL!!! Your coverage is great, now find the ball. So frustrating to watch. Face mask or not…

    O looked pretty good all around. No 1 D was great. No 2 D not so much. Feel much better about DE/OLB than the start of last season. Safety too. Rhodes was just in E Smith’s way. Crow’ looked great for just learning the system… Behind him ???????? Some one step up at CB please.

  18. By Michael Coudriet on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    I actually though Pace let up on the hit on Eli a bit because Pace saw the loose ball. I could have demolished him. Still a very hard hit nonetheless. You don’t want anyone to get hurt. At the same time, you want them to know that they played the JETS!

  19. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Clarke Griswald, congratulations on your post in the Orlando Sentinel telling the truth about Pace and Leonhard’s hits on Eli and how it was Jacobs knocking his helmet off that caused the gash. Randy, how does a guy like Ian O’Connor get a job at a place like ESPN? He completely distorted what happened on this play to make the Jets and particularly Rex look bad, carrying on about some bloody reign of terror in the NFL that Rex is allegedly plotting. It’s important for you, Eric, and the powers-that-be to know that Jets fans don’t appreciate this kind of blatant politicking against our team and the Jets organization. Not to mention this politically correct squeamishness about the physical side of football that seems to be creeping into the media. No one’s saying that we shouldn’t take better care of the players, as Joe said when he came to camp. But this ain’t a game for folks who are afraid to take a hit. For that, you have soccer.

  20. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    By the way, I misquoted Holmes. He didn’t say, “It’s about winning the Super Bowl, ” that was someone else. He said something that sounded even more a leader — “I know what it takes to build a winner.”

  21. By GaryC on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    my first thoughts after last night is I would like to see o’connell get more reps with the first team after sanchez gets his.I believe he can beat out clemens as jet third quarterback.Mcknight a bit tentative hitting the holes and I still believe after the top four wideouts we are lacking and Jets will be looking at waiver wire at the final cuts,also our safeties might be good but they do not have the big play ability when the ball is in the air and you might say that about the backup corners also.

  22. By scjoe on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    I know it was only the first pre season game, I know it is to early to panic, but here are a few concerns I took away from that first game. 1- The back up QB spot, Clemens looked the best of the three, but I think he will be the odd man out. 2-The kicking game, and by that I mean the place kicker, Folk looks awfully shaky to me. 3- The depth in the secondary, seems like everyone got toasted by the Giants 2nd and 3rd stringers. There is a way to go and I hope these concerns subside by opening day. If not, remember this post!

  23. By TMac on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    Sanchez throws a pick 6 (yes, the ball was tipped) But 119 yds. on 13 completions…we’re still not able to throw down field! I hope at some point, in the preseason, they at least try. His growth as a leader is apparent. As for the backups…Ainge on “whatever” is still the best option! Let’s hope he can get things straight and do good things on and off the field for the Jets.

  24. By Ray on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    ’64 Tom I disagree, I think Eli hit Leonhards facemask, causing the gash, still, even Eli agreed that whole thing was his fault. Cimini is obviously living in the past, when there was an unspoken agreement to not blitz and kind of take care of eachother out there. Those days are long gone.
    All in all not a bad 1st outing, still got plenty of things to work on, but considering no Mangold on O and no Revis on D, they looked solid. Settled for too many field goals again. Congrats to the Giants on winning the scrub game….

  25. By Christopher on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    That game only shows us that we NEED Revis back. As these guys are rotated in (i.e. Lowery, Cole, Coleman) we are only going to get burned time and time again. These guys made Sorgi look like a Pro Bowler. Without Revis this D will have the same problems we had last year, except that instead of Revis on one side we will have Cromartie, who played well, but we would still be missing that key corner on the opposite side. LT and Greene looked good.

  26. By Jake27 on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    Actually, Eli got hurt when his head hit Leonard face mask…how would his helmet cause that gash?? Geez…They replayed it ad nauseum and clearly showed the point of contact.. Come on!!

  27. By Jake27 on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    Defense didn’t look to good when offense was crusing down the field before Eli’s injury….sorry…just fact.

  28. By MIKE H on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    In 2007 the Jets signed Darelle Revis to a 6-year, $30 million contract.

    In 2010 Jets offer 9 year, $93 million contract
    (2010 at $1 million,2011 at$5 million,2012 at$15 million,2013-19 at$12 million per season)

    Revis wants to surpass 3 year, $45.3 million deal of Oakland’s Nnamdi Asomugha.
    In order to do that ,the Jets need to give Revis $144 million over 9 years.
    That is a difference of $51 million. (Meet near the middle Revis!!!….Please!! !)

    REVIS!!!…$120 million/ 9 years + $21 million siging bonus…Total possible- $141 million
    $21 million signing bonus and $79.8 million contract guarantee for first six years)…
    After signing bonus you will average $13.3 million over first six years of contract…

    BEST CASE SCENARIO-Jets keep you final 3 yrs of contract/You collect $141 million overall…
    Only 4 million shy of original money you wanted over life of contract in the first place…

    WORST CASE SCENARIO- $100.8 million over first 6 years
    Jets waive you after six years…Then you are unrestricted free agent…

    BIG GUARANTEE UPFRONT ($21mil Sign Bonus & $79.8mil First 6 yrs Guarantee =$100.8 million)
    & give Jets option for final 3 years w/ stipulation that you will be unrestricted free agent
    if they choose not to pick up final 3 yrs of contract


    Let’s win a championship!!! J….E….T…S….. JETS! JETS! JETS!

  29. By Victor on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    As a Giants fan, I can say the Jets defense did do very well, but how can you say your going to the superbowl? The Jets aren’t going to the superbowl this year, end of story. Maybe in a few years, but come on. You need much improvement to your offense. Your defense is definitely Superbowl caliber, but your offense just isn’t enough.

  30. By Ray on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Victor
    If you can tell who is going to the SB after WEEK ONE of the pre-season, quit your job and head for Vegas. We have no less than 6 new guys to work into our lineup, you think we’re hitting on all cylinders yet. The SB is our goal. Maybe you would prefer we be like you and shoot for third place in your division?

  31. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    Jake27, I was watching in a sports bar since I don’t have cable and I only saw the replays they showed during the game over other people’s heads, so I couldn’t be sure if Leonhard’s face mask actually hit him or just came close. I know gashes and scratches from helmets and straps being pulled or whipped up can happen, happened to me several times. What I know for sure is that it wasn’t any body hit by any Jet that caused the injury, so clueless O’Connor and that fool Cimini gotta chill out. russ, I’m amazed that you’re the only other person to talk about Cruz’s blatant O int vs. Lowery. That doesn’t mean I’m thrilled with how Lowery played but it was the 2nd team, of which I expect less. The first team D made Eli look like a kid, without the pick on Sanchez he did zero. Other than that I like all the other points you guys make, we got stuff to work on but we look solid. It’s the first exhib game, let’s not get all bent out of shape especially when some guys, like Holmes, J-Co, Scott, Pace, Greene, and Cromartie looked like it was mid-season. And I don’t wanna hear about Revis, if he was any kind of team player the DB breakdowns last night would make him show up at camp today, not hold out for more money. I’ll tell you this, based on how Holmes and Cromartie looked last night, I sure don’t wanna lose them next year ’cause Darrelle has to have all the money.

  32. By Art Hass on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    I was a huge Reveis fan when we drafted him. He seemed like a TEAM player. I was making six figures until I almost died from cancer. Now I make about 25,000 a year on disability. It is now very dificult to supoort my family, but with with love we are making it work. I am very aggravated that Darrelle is being so greedy. I understand wanting to be paid what you are worth, but to hurt the team to get your way is just selfish. I wish he was in my situation faor a year and maybe he would appreciate what he has. I’m at the point where I wished they would trade him to STL or TB so he can get paid and watch us from home every post season, so maybe he could appreciate where he’s at.

  33. By TONY GARCIA on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    JETS 1 string O & D LOOKED GOOD we need touchdowns not field goals. our second string secondary did not look good. its preason hopefully when the season begins will be alright. kellen clemens looked good. but think ainge would be the better no.2 why did we sign brunell.

  34. By GNjet on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    My main concern after this game is the running game.
    Greene was good, but LT and McKnight did nothing in the running game. If Greene gets hurt, the Jets will be in trouble.
    Also,if Revis doesn’t sign soon, trade him! His value will never be higher. If we can get a player who can help this year, plus some high draft picks, we’ll be better off.

  35. By Gregg from CA on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    P-P-P-PRE-season, folks. Vanilla. Bland schemes. No film study, no game planning, just testing out alignments and formations in base packages. Looking for some film for the players to work off. If the Jets had trounced the Giants all up and down the field on both sides of the ball, people would still be bringing up Indy and Cincy from the end of last season, whining that since it didn’t mean anything, the Giants weren’t really trying.

    So, instead, we saw some good play, some strange play, some bad officiating, and some heebie-jeebies on the part of players who haven’t been in front of a crowd for awhile. All in all, a typical first showing, and I’m satisfied that the coaching staff will make the most of the experience and start working with the improvable players and weeding out the unimprovable ones.

    As for Sanchez’s poor first throw, I like the way he described it – he understood what he did wrong, and it was a good object lesson about NOT falling back on old habits. I don’t expect to see that happen very often from here on out.

    I’ll wait until after the ‘Skins game to worry about critiquing the starting units, and by then who knows what players will come and go in the bottom 1/3 of the roster??

  36. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    Sorry to hear about your trouble, Art, but great to hear that you’re toughing it out and I wish you the best of luck. I’m a little more concerned about Jets fans like you than I am about players who look down their nose at $120 mil because not enough of it is “guaranteed.”

  37. By Row on Aug 17, 2010 | Reply

    Frank, I agree with you almost completely. Highlights: 1. Clemens to Holmes 2. Smash mouth D (although they gave a goal line TD) [remember Miami and Jacksonville?] 3. Brad Smith 4. Folk did hit the FG
    Lowlights: 1. Sanchez looked like a rookie. 2. Couldn’t establish the running game. 3. Couldn’t score a TD 4. Did not create a turnover on defense (besides blocked punt)

  38. By Vincent on Aug 18, 2010 | Reply

    Just watched the game as I had to DVR it. We did well with our 1st’s on the field and a mix of our 1st’s and 2nd’s. The second half with players that are being tested to see if they make the cut was average. Overall for a first game I think a few concerns are: Revis missing, keeping an eye on Folk’s accuracy, getting Mangold back and in game shape, and making sure the Oline line-up is solid. I must add that I thought Larry Taylor was impressive in his Jets debut – the guy has got some speed.

  39. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 18, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Eric, maybe you can check for our friend Row how many rookie QBs have ever gone 13 for 17 in their first pre-season game. Just kidding, Row won’t get it till Sanchez has three SB rings on his fingers.

  40. By Christopher on Aug 18, 2010 | Reply

    Victor….and the Raven’s Offense of 2000 was Superbowl caliber? cmon you make no sense.

  41. By Miguel A. Ramirez Jr. on Aug 19, 2010 | Reply

    Dear Eric Allen,

    I would truly appreciate it if real fans and students of the game were the only individuals allowed to comment on the game of football. Allow me to to interject on several of the things pointed out by these “season ticket holders”:

    1. Eli’s injury was induced by cutting his forehead on Leonhard’s facemask, plain & simple.

    2. This is the preseason. You will NOT see the exotic 3-3-5, 1-5-5, or Nickel/Dime blitz packages. You will see alot of base defensive fronts, because again, the team uses the preseason to get their starters to transition back to “game speed” and as a means of evaluating their depth.

    3. Dwight Lowery is a ZONE corner. So, for those of you who continue to lambast him for his poor man coverage, you know nothing, if you think he can cover someone on the boundary 1-on-1. Lowery flashed his ball skills last season, all three of his interceptions came last season when he was in zone coverage. Dwight Lowery would be a STARTER for the Colts, or any other team that uses a Tampa 2 defense.

    4. The reason why we signed Mark Brunell is simple. Brunell did a remarkable job mentoring young quarterbacks into franchise starters, see Jason Campbell and Drew Brees for a reference.

    5. Those of you who who comment that Revis should be traded and be selfish, are ignorant. I will agree that if he holds out for the entire season, he will tarnish his reputation, however he has given up his $20 million guarantee for not attending training camp, so by all indication he is quite serious about holding out.

    However, he has reason to hold out. The NY Jets sign veterans to make a super bowl run, sign the GM and head coach to extensions, resign D’Brickashaw Ferguson, and extend contracts their draft picks, all the while ignoring Revis’ contract demands.

    And for those of you who think Ferguson signed a “lucrative” contract, that is incorrect also. As per SBNation, Mike Florio writes: The contract constitutes, as a practical matter, a one-year, $5.3225 million arrangement with no other guaranteed money earned or vested through the end of the 2010 season. The amount comes from a base salary of $622,500, a signing bonus of $1.6 million due within five days of July 15, 2010, and a roster bonus of $3.1 million due within five days of July 15, 2010.

    So lets be serious. Ferguson gets hurt, he gets no money.

    With Revis the Jets are attempting to do the same thing, guarantee him a “$100 Million Dollar Contract” but layering it with so many clauses regarding his guaranteed compensation, that its disrespectful to a player of Revis’ talent. Not to mention there is the possibility of a lockout in 2011.

    So to my fellow fans, please post comments supported by facts and not generated by what you see on ESPN.

    Thank You.

    Go JETS!

  42. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 19, 2010 | Reply

    All good points, Miguel, but then you go soft in the face of the Devil, which is in the details. It’s not enough to criticize the Jets because they “sign veterans for a Super Bowl run” and then not fully assess the specifics of what’s been offered to Revis, which by the way you and nobody else posting on this site actually knows. Besides, what’s disrespectful is Revis deciding at this point in his career that Davis’ “ridiculous deal” (that’s what even the press is starting to call it) with Asomugha should be any kind of standard. And it’s hilarious to watch you break down Ferguson’s deal like it’s minimum wage or something. Anyway, I watch the games with Jets fans at a bar and all I heard about Revis Monday was people saying that they’re either never buying a Revis jersey or throwing theirs out.

  43. By tkgilb on Aug 19, 2010 | Reply

    Well, well, well Jets Fan Since ’64…why am I not surprised that you are still “Revis” bashing. I’m not sure why you hate the guy so much. I do understand that you are somewhat misinformed and forming an opinion of him as a person based on what you have read in the newspapers. I think it’s sad that you have chosen to call him derogatory names and such. It just speaks volumes as to the type of person you are. I really don’t think that is necessary.

    Even if you don’t agree with the decision he has made to “hold out” for what he believes is the right thing for him to do, you can still respect him as a man and a person.

    I will not stoop down to your level and resort to summarizing what I think of you. I will just pray that you would remove the beam out of your own eye so you can see clear to remove the mote in someone elses.

  44. By Miguel A. Ramirez Jr. on Aug 19, 2010 | Reply

    The purpose of analyzing Ferguson’s contract is to bring the Revis contract dispute into perspective; it affords to give us a precedent or background as to how the NY Jets are structuring the player’s contracts moving forward.

    The bottom line is that the Jets are giving Revis roughly $100 millions dollars or more, as that what you see and hear on network television and the radio; however HE IS NOT guaranteed $100 million dollars.

    Again, read the totality of the posts being made before you offer an opinion or argument based on skepticism and objectivity. Support your opinion with facts.

    Please refer to the following as an example.

    Fact, Revis’ contract stipulates the following:

    It includes $11 million in guarantees.

    The first four years are worth a total of $16 million.

    The deal voids after four years if Revis hits 35% playing time in the first year or 45% in any of the next three years.

    If it voids, the Jets have the option of buying back the fifth and sixth years. The fifth year would cost $5 million.

    The sixth year would cost $9 million or $11 million or $13 million or $15 million, depending on a complicated points system.

    If it voids after the fourth year, the Jets can’t use the franchise or transition tag on him.

    The only way they could prevent him from becoming a free agent is to exercise the buy backs.

    In essence, Revis will ultimately be able to obtain the contract total, however it is performance based with no addendums as to protecting Revis from an injury.

    If Revis is injured, the Jets could restructure his contract or void it depending on the severity, that my friend is the nature of the issue.

    The best player on the team wants a contract. You want to give him a contract, but you do not look out for his interests; its not about money, its about promises.

    The Jets are not promising Revis anything, and until they offer him a higher guaranteed contract sum, he will not be resigned.

    You can thank me later for dropping knowledge.

  45. By tkgilb on Aug 19, 2010 | Reply

    I want to thank you right now Miguel….THANK YOU!!! I think you may be one of the a few fans who really understand the real issue here. Everyone wants to call Revis greedy, but the fact of the matter is that as much as we love football, the NFL is also a brutal business. Teams look out for their best interest. Players have been getting dooped for years with the non-guaranteed contracts.

    When you look at the amount of money the Jets make every year and I’m talking billions of dollars, it’s beyond me why they won’t pay this guy.

    And further, if he were greedy, why would he forfeit the guaranteed money he was due to make from the buy back years?

    I want to say that there is no way the Jets are offering Revis “fully guaranteed” money in the proposals, because I know he would’ve taken it.

    I also have to say it again, please, please, please don’t believe everything you read in the newspapers, it is not all true. They keep saying Revis is bent on becoming the highest paid at his position and I know he did an interview or something to that affect. But I know for sure that if the Jets were offering him “fully guaranteed” money, Revis would be signed by now.

    I truly believe the Jets never intended on paying Revis. Why would it take them from the end of last season until now and they haven’t gotten a deal done? And why would Woody say in an interview that Revis was never promised a new contract, but Tannenbaum said in an interview that indeed Revis was promised a new contract.

    Things that make you go hhhmmmmm!


  46. By altruism on Aug 19, 2010 | Reply

    i’ll tell you one thing: revis needs to stop being a premature primadonna and start being a teammate! one year of good performance does not make you the best cb in the nfl. yeah, we have high hopes for you and we love you, but stop being all ego and take a one-year contract so you can prove you are what you seemed to be last year. much more of your standing on a pedestal and you will be a detriment to the team. let t.o. be an example of what not to do. and dump that scammer of an agent!

  47. By altruism on Aug 19, 2010 | Reply

    Let the flames begin…

  48. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 19, 2010 | Reply

    tkgilb, Randy doesn’t allow any name-calling on this site, but he will bend the rules for the use of adjectives, such as “selfish” or “egomaniacal.” Anybody who doesn’t think Revis is being that must not believe there is such a thing as selfishness or egomania. I don’t read the newspapers to formulate my views of him, the Jets, or anything else. As it says in the Tao Te Ching, “The master observes the world, but trusts his inner vision.” Revis doesn’t seem to be in control of himself or truly driving his holdout. He mouths the most banal sports-holdout cliches and platitudes (“I have to feed my family” — GIVE ME A MAJOR BREAK!) as if he was told to say them by his agents or just heard them for the first time. Those agents are similarly damaging Vincent Jackson’s career under similar circumstances in San Diego. As for hating DR, no, I don’t have time to work up hatred for football players given all the problems in the world bigger than football coaches who curse. But I also don’t have a lot of respect for athletes who put themselves before the team, and that’s what Revis has been doing. As for what you think of me, I’m reminded of the line in the novel THE FOUNTAINHEAD (think it might be in the movie, too) when one character asks another, “What do you think of me?” and the other replies, “I don’t think of you.” I think of the Jets and what will make them a force in the NFL for the next few years at least, not just this year and not just on DR’s, er, let’s just say rather curious terms. Miguel, that’s a great breakdown of DR’s contract. But if you think the whole “guaranteed money” thing has gotten way out of hand, both for rookies and for veterans, as me and plenty of other folks do, it’s not going to sway your view on the incredibly lucrative deals that DR has already turned down. Similarly to your other post, you offer a great deal of fact and precision and then suddenly go soft to say “the Jets are not promising Revis anything,” ignoring the fact that they’re OFFERING him a chance to make more money than most people can even imagine. The press is filled with vilification of the “greedy upper 1%” in America — well, DR would fall into the greedy upper 1/1000th of a 1%, but that’s okay with you? There was a time when there was not even any such thing as “performance bonuses” in sports contracts and frankly, that’s the line I’d draw in the sand. Maybe a token guaranteed sum for the very best players, but that’s it. Go talk about guaranteed money to Denver with Dumervil and the Redskins with Haynesworth. I’m sorry if it offends anyone’s delicate sensitivities to ask guys who are doing pretty well even if they’re on the practice squad to actually show up and do their jobs.

  49. By tkgilb on Aug 20, 2010 | Reply

    You’re a funny guy, Jet’s Fan Since ’64, I like you, you’re alright with me. And I guess you can say that my “delicate sensitivities” are offended, because I have lived through what it happening with DR right now. And for the record, DR has never said “I have to FEED my family”, he did, however say, “I have to take care of my family”, big difference. But I do get your point and I respect your opinion.

    As for the following statement:
    “But if you think the whole “guaranteed money” thing has gotten way out of hand, both for rookies and for veterans, as me and plenty of other folks do, it’s not going to sway your view on the incredibly lucrative deals that DR has already turned down.”

    I’m guessing you have the inside track on these contracts to actually see how much money was “fully guaranteed”. So I have to ask, exactly what lucrative deals did DR turn down?

    You said, and I quote:
    “I don’t read the newspapers to formulate my views of him, the Jets, or anything else.”

    If this is a true statement, then you must know something we don’t know about the contract negotiations, because the newspapers is the only other place you would get this information about him turning down lucrative deals, which in turn would cause you to formulate an opinion about him.

    And lastly, the reason DR and other professional athletes make more than anyone can ever imagine is because the industry they are in brings in revenues beyond what anyone can ever imagine. Their compensation is based on what the industry makes.

    Here is the breakdown:

    Projected revenue x CBA Percentage = Players Share Total Revenue

    Players Share minus Projected League wide Benefits =
    Amount Available for Player Salaries


  50. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 20, 2010 | Reply

    You’re all right with me too, tkgilb, I like you too and I hope your contract negotiations were less disruptive to those you’d pledged loyalty to than DR’s are starting to become, cf., Ira’s point about having to pick up another DB. But as the Tao also says, “The Master doesn’t think about his actions. They flow from the core of his being.” My main impressions of Revis come from the interviews with him that I’ve watched on this very site, and only then from quotes from him on the Internet. (What are “newspapers”?) He seems lost, controlled by some external force, a different person than the one I’ve seen before. His words are trite and canned — okay, “take care of my family,” thanks for the correction, as if any NFL Pro Bowler is ever gonna have trouble doing that financially unless he invests recklessly in the wrong stuff and buys cars for all his friends — and he doesn’t seem to be considering many aspects of the larger picture. As the great Hall and Oates sang on their classic “Rich Girl” — not entirely inappropriate since Daryl said the original inspiration was a rich guy, but he had to change it to a girl to get a hit single out of it — “Don’t you know that it’s wrong to take what is given you?” The fact that pro athletes make a lot of money practically from jump street doesn’t mean that the first chance you get you try to break the bank “because you can.” I don’t see Mangold or Harris doing that right now. I hope DR signs, goes back to being the guy he was, and everybody stays a Jet for ten years. But the more he stays away because he wants to be paid more than Asomugha — and that’s a fact that no one has denied — the more work he may have to do to regain the respect of his teammates. Not to mention all those Jets fans I meet who say things about him that I wouldn’t say and that Randy wouldn’t print here anyway.

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