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Distant Replay for Ellis and the Defense

Posted by Eric Allen on December 12, 2010 – 9:42 pm

Shaun Ellis and the Jets had seen this story play out before.

They dominated the Dolphins offense at home for the second consecutive season, but somehow still came out as the losing team.

“It’s like last year,” Ellis told me before heading off to the showers. “Same performance at home and we still lost the game. We just have to find a way to win it.”

Last season in Week 8, the Jets dropped a 30-25 decision to the Dolphins despite holding the visitors to 104 yards and 10 first downs. Chad Henne had a mostly miserable afternoon, getting sacked six times while completing just 12 of 21 for 112 yards with one touchdown and the vaunted ‘Fins rush attack only amassed 52 yards.

Fast-forward 13-plus months to Week 14 at New Meadowlands Stadium today and the Jets turned in a better effort defensively. The Dolphins, who got all 10 of their points in the first quarter after two Mark Sanchez turnovers in Jets territory, had six first downs and Henne was sacked five times (losing the ball twice) and completed five of 18 passes for 55 yards. The Jets turned them over three times in all and held the visitors to just 101 rush yards on 32 carries.

“We wanted to come back and play better after last week against the Patriots,” said Ellis after the 45-3 rout in Foxboro just six days ago. “I thought we came out and we played together and as a unit. We still have some little things that we have to fix, but overall I thought it was a good defensive effort. We just didn’t get it together as a team.”

In another soaker at NMS, the Jets’ offense left their defense out to dry early. Sanchez attempted to force a ball for Santonio Holmes on third-and-18, but corner Nolan Carroll secured the game’s first pick at the Jets’ 42. The “D” forced a 47-yard Dan Carpenter field goal as the Jets fell behind, 3-0, midway through the opening quarter.

Three offensive plays later, the O-line didn’t hold up and Sanchez was crushed by DE Kendall Langford. The ball came loose and LB Quentin Moses recovered at the plus-26. The Dolphins cashed in from there as Henne and Marshall converted on two third downs — the second of which ended up in the end zone on a 6-yard pass. Bart Scott was close to Marshall, but there was a mistake in coverage and the ‘Fins capitalized.

“They had the two drives when they were in plus territory and they came up with some points. Other than that I thought we played well,” said Ellis, who had one sack. “Yeah, they hit us with a play here or there, but overall I thought we played good on defense. To hold them to 10 points the whole game is good. You’re supposed to win that game.”

Those two scoring drives combined covered 12 plays and 39 yards. But that was it. Of the Dolphins’ 101 rushing yards, 66 came in the opening 30 minutes.

“They got them early, in the first half. I messed up on two of the runs and got knocked off the ball,” said the “Big Katt.” “They guy went in my gap, so I was responsible for at least 20 yards of it. But overall I thought we bounced back and controlled the game.”

Henne appeared flustered for much of the contest and was never the same after OLB Calvin Pace came around the corner and got a free shot on the Dolphins’ passer midway through the second stanza. Sione Pouha, a monster throughout with 10 tackles and one sack, recovered for the home squad at the Miami 38 and that eventually would set up Nick Folk’s first field goal, a 35-yarder.

“I think the Pace hit on him messed him up for the rest of the game,” said Ellis.

Folk added a 42-yarder with 5:26 left in the game, but the Green & White would get nothing else on a day for defense. Next week the D will have to step up its game once again because the Steelers defense will be a tough challenge for a struggling Jets offense.

“We just have to find a way to win the game. We have to find a way to generate some excitement, some momentum that we can carry with us to the playoffs. From here on out, it’s like a one-game season,” said Ellis. “There are a lot of teams doing good right now, and we lost this one and kind of put ourselves behind the eightball a little bit. We just have to go out next week and get a win on the road, in another hostile environment, against another good defense. Our defense has to come ready to play.”

They bounced back Sunday but it wasn’t enough as the 9-4 Jets are on their first losing streak of 2010. There is only one thing they didn’t do against the Dolphins, and CB Antonio Cromartie, who was terrific against Marshall (two catches, 16 yards), mentioned it before departing.

“It’s a great thing to bounce back, but this defense takes a lot pride in what we do and the thing for us is we have to do it on a consistent basis,” Cromartie said. “You can’t do it one week and not do it the next week. We want to make sure we do it on a consistent basis and go out and perform like we know we can perform and play at a high level. That’s all we can really try to do.

“I think we need to try to score on defense more when we have the opportunity.”


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137 Responses to “Distant Replay for Ellis and the Defense”

  1. By NYJMorley on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    I could go on forever about how pathetic this game was but I just have one question for our fantastic OC. Why spike the ball on 1st down when you couldnt move it all game? You need to be fired!!!! Youre horrible!!!!

  2. By tampajet on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    shottie is the blame,there is no flow to the O and we cant keep the other team off balance. we miss fanica cause we dont run it the same.mark looks like the game is to big for him to handle.we have to many wepons to not score points.

  3. By Frank on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    Lot of talent but inexperience at QB. Rex probably should take a shot with brunell maybe even clemens b4 its too late. To me its worth it. They keep expecting this kid to stand in the pocket and read defenses. NO CHANCE!! The only shot he has is to use his legs and improvise.

  4. By BeenWaiting42Years on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    I’m mad as he’ll because this is always what happens when your team becomes obsessed with so called super star, gifted athletes and prioritizes their potential over intelligence, work ethic, focus, leadership and heart. Case in point, Danny Woodhead and the entire Pats organization. I feared that when this group of big hype players were being assembled that we might reach this point in the season where the inmates began to bring down the asylum. Rex it’s time to face reality, look within and make the tough changes required to succeed. Take back contol of this team and earn back the respect of JETS Nation! I don’t care who or what it takes to get there, a new OC, Sanchez, Brunell, Clemens, McNight, two a days, whatever, It’s Dallas or bust!

  5. By NC on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    After the Jets lost to the Dolphins 45-3 in ’86, they lost the rest of their games. Could easily happen again. The offense is horrible. Let me say that again: horrible.

  6. By Seth on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    If we don’t start our 2nd string Qb, whether it be Brunel or Clemens,we can kiss this season goodbye. I am not saying they are the answer but Sanchez appears scared and clueless and we need to somehow salvage the season before it slips away. Hell, I always thought Eric Ainge had much more of an upside anyway. To bad he messed himself up.

  7. By harry-o on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    stick a fork in them , they’re done . who’d imagine the jets could look worse than last week. Next week looks even worse. Ben must be drooling , can not wait till next Sunday. Then the bears . Buffalo plays spoiler. 2-2 down the stretch was realistic, now staring at 0-4. Seems like they got worse as the season progressed, barely beating teams they should have spanked. Perhaps Rex will bury the play book this week at practice. Maybe the critics are right,a little bit of smoke and mirrors and presto just another illusion. At least be up on Buffalo and pray for help.

  8. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    Cro has missed a few tackles this year, though he’s also been unfairly criticized for not making tackles that no one could’ve made, like when the guy with the ball is already past him. But for the most part he’s played great and I admire him for telling it like it is and maintaining high standards for himself and the D as a whole. One game like this will not make up for the many games this year when the D’s looked weak even against weak opponents. Those who don’t want to use the draft to build this team had better come up with some kind of magic wand because the way it looks sometimes, we could lose half our starters on D and never miss ‘em. I’d also like to know why Weatherford is suddenly playing terribly at exactly the time we need him.

  9. By Jets Fan on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    No touchdowns in the last 2 games, a perfect pass dropped in the endzone by Holmes was devastating. This team looks like they are going in the wrong direction. It rained, but no excuses and especially after the shocking victory over the Bears by NE, Jets literally almost have no chance at all in winning the division now. They don’t even look like a playoff team at all. There were some other dropped passes as well and Sharpe mentioned it during the halftime show and Ryan also mentioned it in the post game conference. Once again, you cannot drop easy passes in these types of games. Miami is an average team and to lose at home without scoring a touchdown is quite pathetic.

  10. By Jets Fan on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    Spiking the ball in the last 2 minute drive turned out to be a huge error, especially when they had the momentum in their favor. The announcer Fouts even said he disagreed with that completely. Then he gets sacked the next play the game was pretty much over then and there. Regardless, they looked pretty awful the entire game at home againt a dolphins team that is average at best. Jets simply do not have good enough players to win the division and compete with the better teams in the league at this point. They beat NE in the beginning of the season, and since then have lost to teams with winning records and barely beat teams with losing records. It’s quite sad, especially for real fans who have followed this team consistently for many years.

  11. By Doug aka BIGD on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    im still disgusted i mean come on! please play like jets not chumps

  12. By Doug aka BIGD on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    we NEED a d lineman that will give the fear of god to the opposing QB

  13. By Doug aka BIGD on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    listen to me mike get a D lineman blue chip

  14. By Charlie on Dec 12, 2010 | Reply

    It’s amazing that a team with so much talent does not have the coaching staff to bring them all together. What other team has the the offinsive talent of the Jets but lacks a qualified Offensive Coordinator to bring this group together. Yes there were dropped balls on both sides today but how many of the pases from Sanchez were behind the receivers? How do you go for 4th and 5 on a timing play outisde instead of a slant pass or a pass to the sidelines to Edwards. It’s absolutely amazing that Ryan does not get involved. Finally the pass rush showed up today however the offinse is still trying to gel after 13 weeks of playing together.

  15. By scjoe on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Are all the “ground and pound” advocates out there satisfied yet? I have said all along that this team is NOT a run orientated offense. They may want to be, but they are not. The RBs are average at best, the O Line is not what many think it is. The real strength of this offense is in the passing game (except for one all important player) I won’t mention his name because there are those out there who just refuse to acknowledge it. Whats worse then that is there are those in the Jets organization who refuse to acknowledge it. That 39% completion percentage today was no aberration, it is real, nor is the 54% he has on the season putting him next to the last among starting QBs

  16. By Fish Hunters on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    No more do I drink Jets kool-aid. Got my hopes and expectations up listening to Rex talk. Then the team can’t walk the walk. Talk to me after you’ve actually WON something; like a Superbowl.

  17. By Fish Hunters on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    “Soon-to-be-champs.” Better known as “Soon-to-be-embarrased”. Glad I didn’t actually buy any news Jets gear; I’d have to hide it.

  18. By scjoe on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    cont..so, there is a real dilemma on the offensive side of the ball for this team, if the running game is not what it is built up to be, and the QB continues to struggle at best,and you have all that talent at the WR position, what do you do? Their shortcomings on offense were kind of covered up in those close wins against the lower tier teams, they have been exposed against the better ones. I don’t know if it is to late this year, but they absolutely have to figure out who they are on offense before the start of next season. Problem is, you have to factor the politics in that decision as well, from where I sit, that is not a good thing.

  19. By scjoe on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    On a positive note though, I believe just one more win (Buffalo?) should get them in the playoffs. The Pit game and the Chicago game at this point, judging by what we have seen the past few weeks, are long shots, it has to be Buffalo. But then what? The first round may not be that bad, maybe Jacksonville, maybe KC, hopefully not at SD, then back to square one, at Pit, or Balt, or NE. Final point, should they make the playoffs (for the second year in a row) with this type of production from the QB position and this offense in general, it should quiet all the critics about any possible coaching change.

  20. By john ski on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Defense did a great job, they’re not as dominant as last year which is fine. But the offense has to make up for it a bit and I’m afraid Rex is gonna have to get involved with that aspect of the game again this year to accomplish that. Too many questions at this point in the year… Is Sanchez hurt (he sure is throwing like it lately)? Why are Wayne Hunter and Nick Folk still Jets? Don’t you think if you ran Greene more often earlier in the year LT’s production might have been sustained later in the year? When did time of possession become an idea of the past? Why is it still nobody looks to question the calls and schemes of our offensive coordinator? From Pennington up to Sanchez, none of those QB’s were good enough?!!

  21. By Westcoast GangGreen on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Jet Nation WOW, WOW !!!! This offemse is not about the QB, the O-Line , the non running game, the dropped passes and the just plane execution on offense. this is about Schotty !!! He has lost the confedence of the offensive unit, they are out of touch with what he is calling, if thats what you want to call his game plan if he has one at that, just seems that he uses the same sequence of calls no matter what team he faces. It may be to late for Rex to make a change this season,but, if he can’t see for himself he’s going to have issues with his team. The WHOLE OFFENSE IS REGRESSING AS A UNIT, and it starts with SCHOTTY…….

  22. By Chris on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    I would be on the phone with the redskins and trade gholston and a 5th round pick for Haynesworth..Then I would try to teach these star athletes how to catch a damn ball!!Finally Schotty would be fired and I would let REX or even Sanchez do all the play calling!!With that said..LETS WAKE UP,SMELL THAT DALLAS SB AIR AND WIN US FANS A CHAMPIONSHIP..NOT A CHUMPIONSHIP!!

  23. By MelbourneMatt on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Westcoast Ganggreen said it in one about Schotty – “he uses the same sequence of calls no matter what team he faces”. Is it any wonder we have been on a downward slope ever since Week 6? All of our wins from that point on (with the exception of the Bengals game) have been by the narrowest of margins. The only reason we won the Bengals game by the defecit we did was thanks to the talent of Brad Smith. Either the play calling needs to change or we neeed to end up changing the play caller.

  24. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Charlie, John Ski, and Westcoast, I see little evidence Rex has the knowledge or the desire to “get involved” on O. The things he says about O usually date from the Chuck Bednarik era. If he were to bring in his own OC, it would at least show that he wants to take charge of the whole team. Until then, it’s like Westcoast says, on O we look like a bunch of guys who don’t get what their boss wants them to do, like a bad college team. scjoe, I admire your restraint but just getting into the playoffs won’t and shouldn’t end calls for Schotty’s head. The winner of the NFC West is gonna make the playoffs, too. Refiguring “who we are on O” for next year sounds good, but only if Rex and the fans drop the Super Bowl-or-bust mindset.

  25. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    scjoe, on QB politics: It used to be said it took 5 yrs to truly develop an NFL QB, citing guys like Starr, Namath, and Bradshaw. In today’s NFL I think the model’s more like 2-3 yrs at most and they’d cite Brady, Rivers, Ben R., and now maybe Matt Ryan. That’s why I say the Jets will give Sanchez, and thus probably Rex unless he changes QBs first, 3 yrs. I highly doubt that the kind of up-and-down, brilliant-then-inept season MS had in ’09 and this yr will be tolerated by our owner, players, or fans beyond about halfway through next yr. Problem is, the 2-3 yr QB model is at odds with the “Draft to win big” model, which I’d peg at more like 3-5 years, and by their own admission most fans — take MJV, for instance — won’t wait that long.

  26. By Frank on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Worst rated starting QB in the NFL that is who we have and that is the reason this team is in a mess. There is absolutely no excuse for this and it starts and ends with Sanchez. I have said it for several weeks while we were barely beating the bottom feeders that he was regressing and at this point it is inexcusable. His mechanics are awful, no arm, no accuracy and his decision making is atrocious. The Dolphins stacked the box which is the same formula used every week now and dare Sanchez to beat um and HE IS NOT GETTING IT DONE. He is not an NFL caliber starting QB period end of story.
    There is absolutely no creativity on either side of the ball. The game planning is non existant. You never see any new wrinkles from week to week.

  27. By uncle joe on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    This loss ensures us that we will not have a bye or a Home game in the Playoffs which is better for us anyway.We’re still going to the SuperBowl.Beat Pitt next week,get on a hot streak and BAM,off to Dallas. I’m just worried about the extra week before the SuperBowl.

  28. By upstate on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    OK, if you wonder why the jets have not one anything in 40 years it is because of fans like you, have you all forgotten that Sanchez is a second year QB? Let me say that again a second year QB! Take a look back at how bad Big Ben and Eli were in there second year (and Pit got hot and won the SB that year by the way). Stop clamoring for #6’s head and let him mature, he has shown he has the tools, just have a little patience!

  29. By Frank on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Sanchez cant complete a swing pass n were blaming shotty. Really???

  30. By IRA on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Well the D responded with a good effort. can’t blame them. The entire O, well its time to rethink what is going on. Can’t hold Balt, Mia, and GB to a total of 29 pts at home and lose all three games. This is a disgrace. For all the expectations and hope for this year it is all but gone. can anybody try and tell me how in the world they are going to win their next 3 games? There is plenty of blame to go around to the players and coaches. Why is Scott covering marshall on the 6 yd line one-on-one? Why look for the homerun ball when you just have to move the chains?
    scjoe, 10-6 does not get them in if KC goes 11-5 and SD goes 10-6 the Jets lose the tiebreaker to SD.
    I hate to say this just maybe they are the Same Old Jets! Only time will tell.

  31. By Charlie on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    how about Sanchez learning to pump fake and draw the D-Backs in and go long. How about play action pass, I could go on with Sanchez. He lacks confidence! Now if you put Smith under center how about mixing it up a touch after all he was a QB in college. How about the typical fake dive and Cotchery coming laterally and a shuffle pass. How about Smith dropping back to pass? If they put Smith in different looks when he comes under center the run game for him will open back up.

  32. By Frank on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Watch Brady. Nothings rushed, rythmic, no panic, plays at 20mph. Sanchez looks like he gets shot out of a cannon from the word go!! Gimmie a break with the fire shotty. The only thing shotty CAN do with this kid is get him out on the edge to make some plays that way. Broken plays thats it. Thats the only way this kid makes a play!!!!

  33. By cm on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Dear Woody,

    Please step in and let us try to save the season here. Please remove Schotty from his position and promote Callahan to OC. Please don’t think it is too late in the season to do that. Can the offense play any worse? You might be saving Sanchez’s career by doing so. Just ask Lou Lamarillo…it is never too late to fire someone. Someone has tod something. The coach wants nothing to do with the offense.

  34. By wayne on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Like I said, NO SHOT ” SCHOTTY” IS BACK NEXT YEAR. I predicted that when Holmes finally joined team aft wk four that the OC would feel the pressure and feel the need to get cute. Even though the offense was humming already. “just find the open man”. Now there seem to be no open man.TANNENBAUM MADE A BUNCH OF MISTAKES LAST OFFSEASON…Did anyone see Feeley..Woodhead will be that pebble in the Jets shoe for the next 10yrs..Faneca was not that big a loss.Jets rushed ball well enough early.Inconsistent playcalling and poor QB play are primary culprits..Opposing Ds realized his limitations and took away his only strength(Keller) and it’s been downhill since..Jets went “all in” for SB this year and felt need to open their big mouths about it.

  35. By BLINKA posts, no one heeds on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    I am a loser.

    I wish you posters would stop saying we have talent. Revis, maybe Holmes, Sean Green that’s about it. The rest are past their prime or overated. A new OC will just put a band aid on it.

    And with the weak drafts the past three years, we are not looking at a promising future either.

  36. By wayne on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Tannenbaum isn’t getting enough heat for his part in this. And Rex had better start showing some maturity next year…Enough of the frat house behavior. That help foster what’s now going on with Favre..All or most of the most embarrassing events to take place this year in the NFL is connected to the Jets…….WE CAN NO LONGER TALK ABOUT THE PATS BEING CHEATERS…..HOW DID YOU LIKE THAT TRIPPING PLAY ON THE SIDELINE ON SUNDAY JET FANS…….CLEAN IT UP OR CLEAN HOUSE…….I AM NOT VERY PROUD RIGHT NOW TO BE ROOTING FOR THE NEW YORK JETS…..

  37. By Pranit on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    SHOCKED BEYOND……

    Rex, if this isn’t proof enough, that schotty is the most horrible and predictable play caller..then what is?????????????…..You can’t continue the blind trust on him….He needs to be shown the door now…He will also completely destroy your (not so anymore) ‘Sanchise”…..

    Come on man,,,,,Now not even sure if we’ll win the last game against the Bills…COME ON MAN…

  38. By Pranit on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    did you hear the jets post game? ….they were all dumping on Schotty as well….Schotty needs to go !!!

  39. By Jetfan69 on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    I have been a fan since the Jets were the Titans. I am used to disappointment. We will only go as far as our 2nd year QB can take us. He is still in the learning process, so we have to take our lumps. I have been saying this for quite a few years now, we need a new OC. The bad play calling and confusion on the O is obvious, and at what point do we stop using the wildcat? Santonio, you need to stop worrying about show boating after a first down, and just concentrate on every pass. You can not drop easy TD’s in key games. Can we win one of the next 2 on the road? I don’t think so, unless there is some major changes in the O approach.

  40. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Been Waiting, I share and understand your frustration about both high- and low-paid pickups, and I don’t think we’ll see too many more Taylors, Pryces, Brunells, or Folks next year. But notwithstanding a few costly mistakes, Holmes, Edwards, and Cromartie (who are all young guys, by the way) have played a heck of a lot better than what we had at their positions. As for NE, keep in mind they’re largely winning because their awesome QB takes their opponents out of the game early enough to help out their D, like vs. us and CHI yesterday. They can be beat the way the Giants did in the SB and the way CLE did this year, with a smart, aggressive D and a solid, clock-chewing running game. Funny, I thought we had those two things in spades…

  41. By IRA on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Another ? could anybody figure Jay Feely would’ve more TD’s then the entire Jets team the past two weeks?

  42. By Jimmy Cheese on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Pathetic… best word to describe this Offense. 4th and 5 and run the Wildcat? No one is faked by that play, they know it’s a run, they stack the box and sit there. Schotty is now exposed as it seems everyone knows what we’re doing and is not fooled by it. Thankfully the D stepped up to the plate and aside from that 1 TD score on the Sanchez fumble, Miami was totally shut down. Sanchez is NOT a cold weather QB, as soon as it turns to November, he’s done. Make a trade with San Diego and get rid of him. He can’t play in the rain, or the cold. Brady has no issues, neither does Fitzpatrick or Manning… but Mark, for get it. He’s not a NY QB. He belongs eslewhere like Miami, TB, Arizona… etc. Only a fool can’t see that.

  43. By Allen 0"dane on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Ok.Where do I begin? Ok Mark Sanchez are we going to hear again for the 4th straight time ” I need to better..I need to make better reads..Can’t make bad throws..” We are getting sick of hearing it now. Shotty..well besides burying the ball you need to bury your playbook. You had Mr.Gates in San Diego and did a great job getting him the ball. What happened with Dustin Keller? Why are you so fixed on getting everyone the ball except him? Your Iso plays are garbage everyone knows what’s coming. When my girlfriend is sitting next to me calling the plays..WOW..nuff said…Maybe Shotty should sit with the DC in the meetings..at least they got it right in there. 131 total yards and we still lost..

  44. By Allen 0"dane on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    The Jets made a HUGE mistake in getting rid of Alan Faneca. He was that guy who did all the dirty work. Why do you think Mangold and Woody were so Upset when he was let go?.. Our ruuning game is not the same. Maybe we should start the Connor kid to open up some holes…This one hurts worse than the NE game!

  45. By cmon jets on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    What Im about to say alot of people may not agree with me. But I personally think that Mark Sanchez is a bust. Pete Carroll told him when he was in USC and said he was leaving earlier that he was making a mistake. Brian Schottenheimer has to let him take control of the game a little bit. Brian has the offense babied down for Mark. I agree with alot of people here saying why waste the money on so much talent when we cant use them. Yes he has grown somewhat but not to nfl standards. He struggles with accuracy and is horrible reading defenses. It showed against the Ravens, Packers, Bengals, Patriots, and Miami. He has to do something dramatic but I dont see it happening. I hope Im wrong , but as I have seen its the truth. Feel free to reply.

  46. By Frank on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Rex is on the verge of losing the team. Criticizing the D after a great game they played yesterday at the expense of potecting a lousy QB who is an embarassment was a HUGE mistake. Clearly jugding by Ellis comments to the press and the fact no one on the D would talk to the press does not bode well for Rex.
    He for one needs to look in the mirror and see he is responsible for the product on the field with his poor game management decisions and lack of game planning and overall preparedness to play. This team is lacking fire, emotion and intensity which is inexcusable considering their record. His superbowl or bust mantra has now officially blown up in his face as the team is playing dis-interested football.

  47. By Trent on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    As far as Schooty, ya i do believe he is making stupid play calls ut everyone has off days and bad execution doesn’t help play calling i just wana see the Jets do well, not for me, but for themselves. Great Job Defense! Even though Rex criticized them they did have a great game, but Rex’s defense is supposed to be impenetrable, and make no mistake it is getting there. Last, to all Jet fans out there thinking “man weve seen this before”, and “here we go again, here comes 9-7″, and i know youre out there because i was one of you, just stop and think. Why are we so quick to give up on our team. The only one keeping the karma of the Jets alive is us. It’s time to leave it behind and support our team. Stop making them play for us and suport them

  48. By Mr.Green on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Mark Sanchez, will be the answer to this trivia question Jet fans will be talking about 10 years from now. Out side of Browning Nagle & Glenn Foley who was the biggest bust Jet qb ?

  49. By THUNDER LIPS on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    This game confirms that this team is not good. I am seeing 2 major problems with Sanchez (1) he is too short. how many passes were blocked (2) he is not a cold weather quarterback. it is obviouos that his arm is affected by the weather. his passes look like chad penningtons. nice to see the defense step up. the offense right down to the coordiantor is terrible. this team doesn’t deserve the playoffs right now.

  50. By James T on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    The “Jets” have Offense issues …..The problem is I think that the “Jets” need to find an identity or a Leader on the Team. They have the talent on both sides of the ball. They need to use it.

  51. By wayne on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    If any of you think that coaching has nothing to do with what’s going on with the Jets, you don’t know what the hell you are talking about…..THERE IS NO OTHER SPORT WHERE COACHING HAS A MORE SIGNIFICANT INFLUENCE ON THE RESULTS ON THE FIELD….For those of you who don’t think they should ground and pound, what exactly would u do instead? Ride Sanchez’ arm?…Well Jets fans, you can have your next SB moment at the next college draft….By the way, Rex has already promised to have the Jets in the SB at the new meadowland stadium…..I don’t believe he’s ever gonna learn.

  52. By Alex.G on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    huge let down they are officially done..is Shotty looking to get fired??? and to add insult to the already hated JETS!! The Strength Coach trips a Dolphin??? just what they needed to add to the already pathetic display of JETS FOOTBALL..

  53. By Allen 0"dane on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    9 points in 8 quarters of football! Rex needs to do SOMETHING!..And I am sure every Jet fan feels the sameway. There’s no-way a team with all this talent on the offensive side of the ball should be scoring only field goals. The OC needs to keep it simple for sanchez. Let the superstars prove it by beating their guy on one on one matchups. Someone needs to stop the bleeding already.

  54. By Anthony on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    I don’t care who Schotty’s father is he needs to be fired. Every year I watch the Jets offense with predictable play calls and ridiculous routes where the Recievers never get open because they are all underneath routes. Schotty is horrible. Even with Chad he was horrible. The guy needs to be fired asap. Bring in a Off. Coordinator who will open up the field and keep the ground and pound going. Why did the Jets stop running at some points in the game. THE OFFENSE IS TOO PREDICTABLE NOW. FIRE SCHOTTY AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. I DON’T CARE HE IS NOT GOING TO BE A HEAD COACH BECAUSE OF HIS PLAYCALLING HE WILL BE BECAUSE OF HIS FATHER.

  55. By SallyMD on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Same waters, different boat. Seriously every single year its the same ole offense! I think its time you evaluate your offensive coordinator!!!! We are so predictable its not even funny! All the talent, pro bowlers, and future hall of famers we have on our team and this is how we perform???? Sanchez needs to lose the attitude and be able to shake off an early pick. He won’t be a “elite” QB if he can’t manage himself not alone the game. Last week I let the loss go.. we played the Pats (they seem to never do anything wrong offensively) and we came off a nice break. Whenever we have awhile to prepare we do worse. But this loss is heartbreaking. Really thought the Jets has a SB chance this year..

    Looks like burying the ball didn’t work..

  56. By harry-o on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    give sanchez till the 3rd Qtr of next weeks game to “fix it”. yank em if he’s not effective, shake this team up and have the team rally around the back up.If the jets can turn it around against the steelers, watch out!

  57. By BLINKA posts, no one heeds on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Team needs to rebuild. Too bad we have no one to trade. Ira, can you think of a player under contract next year that has value and we could afford to trade? I cannot.

  58. By scjoe on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    It is hilarious to me that we still here Sanchez being compared to other QBs in their 2nd year, if you are going to go that route at least be impartial about it, don’t just pick and choose the ones that make your point. Besides that, I would tend to agree with some of you if ONLY I saw some progress in his game, the fact is if you take a look at his game to game performance on the field he is regressing, and that is not an opinion, just do the research. So please, no more comparisons to other 2nd year QBs and no more putting it on the play calling. I thought the play called to Cotchery late in the game where he was wide open and overthrown was a very good call, how about you?

  59. By Just End The Season on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Rex your D woke up finally now get to work on getting a new offensive coordinator Shotty time to let you go.

  60. By scjoe on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    in answer to an above post, if any of you truly believe that the play calling and the coaching is to blame for how the Jets are playing on the field you don’t know what the hell you are talking about! As for the ground and pound? Sure, it would be great, if you had a couple of pro bowl caliber RBs in the back field and an O line that can consistently open up some holes, we do not! The only thing we have close to pro bowlers on this team happen to be at the WR position. Can any one out there dispute that? Does anyone agree that if we had a QB back there completing 65% instead of 50% it would make a difference in the points being scored? C’MON MAN!!

  61. By IRA on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Hey guys i am running on empty like everyobdy else but I WON”T GIVE UP. Its just tough getting you heads handed to you on MNF football then coming home to lose to a horrible team like the Fish. Still can’t believe we lost 3 home games and didn’t give up more than 10 pts in any of those games. Need to lick our wounds today and get ready for Pitt tomorrow.
    GO JETS!!!!!

  62. By Mr.Green on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Has Alosi been fired yet ??????????

  63. By Pranit on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Rex — please re-evaluate your blind faith in schotty…..I can’t bear to see the same garbage offense even for another sec…Schotty will totally destroy Sanchez and his confidence…I still like you Rex, but you have to show the fans that you are making wise decisions for the betterment of this team….

  64. By Pranit on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    and agree, Alosi better be fired (if we want to save any face in the NFL)

  65. By JetsFan on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    They never throw the ball downfield or even try to have some type of vertical attack. The offensive coordinaor needs to go. The play calling is pathetic. Just runs up the middle 2 times in a row. The offensive line is not really that great either. Yes, they’ll probably get in as a wild card team, but that’s simply not good enough. I think Ryan quieted down about the Superbowl now. I think he finally realizes there are some serious issue with this team. They have no pass rusher, they have no safety. There is a difference between a wild card playoff team and a superbowl team, and they are far from a superbowl team. Just a reality of what they really are. Sanchez should be yelling at his receivers for dropping his passes.

  66. By SuperPinkster on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Hang in their Jets! Ignore the spoiled fans who want one person benched and another fired. If there is one thing I can tell is that you guys want to win every bit as badly as your fans do. I also know that fans that behave as a large chunk of ours do when you lose only add pressure to the situation. So I say win for yourselves and nobody else. If people want to come along for the ride fine, but pleasing us is not your number one priority.

    You guys are so lucky to be able to play this game at such a high level and for such high stakes. I can only imagine what it must be like to pull off some of the marvelous wins like you have this season and be able to look each other in the eye knowing you got it done.

  67. By JetsFan on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    And you can’t continue to try to win football games with a few minutes left in the game. Eventually it catches up to a team and it caught up to them yesterday. Should be interesting to see how they perform against the steelers and bears in the next 2 weeks. Great for the Jets if they once again make it in as a wild card playoff team, but we all know that wild card playoff teams eventually get knocked out of the playoffs. Nobody wants to go into the superbowl as a wild card team anyway. Real teams win the division and win either a bye or home field advantage. Mcfadden on the Raiders is awesome, somebody who I had hoped the Jets would draft instead of Gholston who turned out to be a huge millionaire bust.

  68. By JetsFan on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    So they give up Leon Washington and cut Pete Kendall, which was a huge mistake. You can’t bring in all these old players and build a football team with players that are ready to retire. Their 1st round pick CB is having serious issues and isn’t even good enough to start. Gholston, not even 1 sack in his entire career. LOL And how much does he make, 40 million? Gholston should just be cut at the end of this season. They don’t need millionaire players who produce nothing on the field. And they need a coach who will shut his mouth until they actually make it to the superbowl. Too early to judge Sanchez just yet in his second year.

  69. By Howie D on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    I’ve been calling for Shotty’s head for the last two years. It doesn’t take a genius to see that he’s guessing, and learning on the job. Undoubtedly, he’s the weakest link on the team. He needs to be fired immediately, if we’re to have a chance at the SB. I wish him all the very best, but he’s simply not the guy for us at this point.

  70. By David E. on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    A very tough and sad two weeks for JETS nation. The JETS haters are having a field day and I’m getting tired of us getting dumped on by the media. Can we pull off wins at Pittsburgh and Chicago? I’m praying we do. Let’s go JETS!

  71. By russ on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    The jets do not have a First down offense…it forever sets up the opposing defense with a no gain or little gain first down offense….but most importnat the Jets just dont seem to have from top management down the instinct to keep the right players and to get “up” for the important games in their schedule…that is why same ole jets is echoing thru the new stadium…

  72. By Howie D on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    SCJOE: I respect your point of view, but if you’ve been watching Shotty’s play-calling since he got here (Even before Sanchez) you’d have to conclude that he’s average at best. We don’t need a pro bowl player at every position to win consistently. We have ample weapons to get the job done, even Sanchez can be coached to do better, but Shotty ain’t it at this point.

  73. By Howie D on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    PRANIT: You’re are absolutely correct! Rex needs to re-evaluate his blind faith in Shotty.

  74. By Mike Jet Vet on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Sanchez is to Small not enough arm strength want proof same sideline play every week to same receiver B-E and yes that’s partly on schotty, I watch Sanchez underthrow it every single time or gets picked now he’s back Turning the ball over multiple times ..what happened to Keller here’s what, dropped many balls or Sanchez throws off target teams aren’t taking him away M-S & Keller himself are .OUR O-line is playing horrible run and pass, I also noticed all the fans calling for coaches head are Sanchez apologists and bums they favor ..Yes I have said some blame go’s to OC but 80% to poor execution and concentration.. Stop whinning about Alosi he was wrong go the other way Player running full trottle into them the coaches without Unis WAHHHHH

  75. By JetsFan on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    You open up the field by throwing deep passes downfield. What’s the worst that can happen? A pass interference penalty on the defense? They have fast receivers and never throw the ball downfield. Sorry for the Offensive Coordinator, but he needs to go at the end of this season regardless of where the Jets finish. Toss the ball downfield at least 8 times a game and see what happens. Just running it up the middle isn’t going to work. The offense is pretty disappointing this year.

  76. By Tom Spicer on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    JetsFan, I could not agree more I was on this site everyday saying how the Jets should have done anything & everything to get McFadden. 1,430 total yards 10 TD’S & he missed 2 games. This week 209 total yards & 3 TD’S at the Jags a very good D the guy is do everything STUD!

  77. By Karan on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    FIRE Brian SCHOTTHEIMER, he’s the real problem! no one in the jets organization realizes this, please i hope rex reads this, fire your Offensive Coodinator! Sanchez is not the poblem, he’s only a second-year caller, these horrible plays off schottenheimer arent working for gods sakes,

  78. By gojets on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Stop playing so conservatively, im sick of so many predictable calls, its like the fans know what OC is going to call, 1st & 10: run, 2nd down: run 3rd down: pass llike half a yard and be short of the first down, open the field like u did week 2! theres no way we can win a superbowl like this, Rex needs to stop blaming the defense cuz they played outstanding yesteday, its the horrible offense, and im not blaming mark sanchez, its his offensive coordinator that needs to go, get involved with the O more REX, and release BRIAN SCHOTTENHEIMER! the man stinks he clearly doesnt get it

  79. By Jetfan69 on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Everyone loved Green last year when he ran well in the playoffs. Now, you say we have no backs. We have 2 great backs. We have an O line with a rookie guard and Woody is injured and poor design by Schotty. Sanchez played well in the cold last year. The team needs to step up the intensity on O, in spite of Schotty. The roster needs some work, but we can win with what we have. I have not given up on them in 35 years, and I won’t now, but they need to want it. Lets clear our head and move forward. I want another shot at the Pats in the playoffs.

  80. By Mike Jet Vet on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    CONT. what was he even doing that far out of bounds go cry somewhere else.. I had a neighbor I always wondered why he used this handy man with a broken down van old rusted tools shabby cloths we’ll call him Tom Brady and the pats instead of the guy with a Big bright shiny truck fancy lettering spotless tools and not a sack of dirt any where on him we’ll call them Revis M-S S-H B-E and the Jets both worked the same N-hood..My neighbor replied my guy knows his trade and spends his time working and supporting a family other spends all his time on his Image and popularity he has no time to work on his skill thats the way I see it

  81. By davetharave on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    No words.

  82. By ArtSoCal on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Most rookie QBs are brought about slowly, Tebow is a case in point. Brady was an extreme exception but he also had good tools around him<<>>. Bledsoe was a household name w /NE before Brady arrived, Belichick was in place as the Head Coach. Brees <<>>did not become a national hero until he left the Chargers. Jim Plunket t bounced around from team to team and sometimes threw a TON of INTs until he won 2 Super Bowls in his mid 30s. Don’t tell me how great Bradford is, he has the same # of INT as Sanchez and the Rams are 6-7 in a weak division. A craftsman is only as good as the tools around him.

  83. By JetsFan on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Tom, yea they should have tried to get Darren. He’s an awesome football player. They should have just traded their entire draft to get him instead of drafting Gholston. Complete waste of a pick. How can you pay someone 40 something million dollars and not even get a sack? No excuses, it was just a very bad decision on their part. Hopefullly Woody Johnson is reading this to understand what a waste it was to draft someone so pathetic and unproductive. Can somebody say different General Manager? I’ll say it, MT is not very good at all. He’s good at drafting pathetic players. You can thank Mangini for drafting Revis, but that’s about it for the Jets draft picks. Most have not been too good at all.

  84. By JetsFan on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    And you have these guys smiling on the sidelines during the Miami game. No emotion at all. Ryan should have been furious after that game during the press conference. It was all said correctly by the announcer at the end of the game.
    “And the Jets lose their swagger” after the loss. Could not have been said better than that. Jets lose their swagger and Ryan loses his cocky attitude after this team falls apart against an average dolphins team and fails to score just 1 touchdown in the process.

  85. By ArtSoCal on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Sanchez is not too short, he is 6″2″. Brees is 6″0″.

  86. By nyjetsholdupsbtrophyin2010 on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    We all need to put this into perspective with the Schotty Bashing,he called a decent game ,he didnt veer away from the run (our O-line has regressed along with Mark)he tried to put mark into route schemes that would produce easy completions he’s just not NFL accurate,and the few times it did hit the WR in the numbers THEY DROPPED IT,of all the bad play yesterday my biggest problem was Bart covering Marshall at the G-Line yesterday,THIS IS COMPLETLY UNEXCUSABLE WHEN WE HAVE A REVIS & A-CRO HENNE IMMEDIATLY NOTICED AND LOCKED ON HIM THE WHOLE TIME,considering he only completed 4 more passes the REST OF THE GAME,this is on REX,it tops the list of HC mistakes this guy continue’s to make ie.time mgmt,Time outs,challenges,and the mere fact cont..

  87. By JetsFan on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Ok, so at least we know of 2 players who need to depart at the end of this season. Jenkins and Gholston, sorry guys, bye. Go steal millions from another team by sitting on the sideline and doing nothing at all. We don’t need players who either constantly get injured or make close to 50 million dollars and can’t even sack the QB one time.

  88. By nyjetsholdupsbtrophyin2010 on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    cont…he seems to only concentrate in getting the D prepared to play and has no stock in the O,someone needs to tell him he needs to coach the entire team,Mark should have been removed if anything just to spark the O and send the D the message that were exhausting all options to try and win and not waste thier great performance.with the upcoming sch.the way it is ,that was a must win and he needed to realize that Mark was just not going to be able to turn it around in this game,if he’s so mentaly strong & pure leader we keep hearing he is then he would have understood giving someone else the reigns for a day.Ira was right in saying 10 wins probably wont get you in,so where do the 2 wins needed come from?? continue

  89. By Mr.Green on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    This is the beginning of the “apocalypse” of the NY Jets.

  90. By Ed in Tucson on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    MS seems to throw better when he’s scrambling, why not design plays that call for him to roll out & throw? Better yet, why not let BS run the offense? It seems to me that some of Schotty’s poor play calling is because of lack of confidence in MS.
    SCJoe, you can’t be serious when you say that the strength of our O is the passing game. I haven’t read many calls to let Sanchez air it out lately. MS would’ve thrown 3 more ints if Miami CB Sean Smith had managed to hold on to 3 passes that were thrown right at him. It’s the weakness of our passing game that allows opposing Ds to stack the box & focus on stopping our run game. What we need is an OC who can run a spread offense to widen the gaps & unclog the middle.

  91. By Fish Hunters on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Crash Landing, Fakes, Frauds, a few of the terms used to describe the team. Wouldn’t be saying it if we hadn’t been talking so LOUDLY!

  92. By ArtSoCal on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Brees, Favre, and the Mannings all have high INT ratings, not because they lack ability but because they face a constant rush, have receivers that are covered and haphazardly have to get the ball off to the best available options. A well protected Brady (usually starting his drives in good field position) consistently had plenty of time to throw against the Jets, with his receivers wide open. The lopsided score bears evidence to that fact. Jet receivers sometimes drop passes, have the ball poked or wrestled away (it’s like watching someone taking candy away from a baby), Sanchez too often starts his drives near the end zone, the O & D commit big, bone headed penalties at the most critical moments of the game. The highly touted D sometime melts away. Brady, himself, would not want to QB for the Jets. He’s on Twitter, why don’t you ask him? Unless the supporting cast gets better, no STUD would look good throwing for the Jets.

  93. By nyjetsholdupsbtrophyin2010 on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Im will be traveling up from DC to Pittsburgh for the game this week and will be full force in my green & white ,so just maybe by some miracle we can get another great performance out of the D and do whatever it takes to get in the endzone. But unfortuanlty most of us have seen this story before with late season collapses and the same old Jets rearing there ugly faces,hoped Rex had excersied those demons,but it does look like this one unlike 1986 more like 2000,2008 where we will end up on the outside of the playoffs,If it takes Brunell of KC we have to give it a shot Rex seems to forget were in a win now year,you cant leave any stone unturned..See you in Pittsburgh sunday boys,where a win there would be a season saving !!!

  94. By DarrylD on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    I don’t know where to begin. Sure you can raise your hands to the heavens, sure the offensive coordinator needs to be fired, sure sanchez needs to practice throwing sleeveless in the cold all day everyday, sure he needs to build more strength in his throwing arm, sure that playbook needs to be buried, sure we need a really good DT or DE that’s a monster to content with, sure Rex needs to keep his mouth close and just play the game, but what about right now. We need to win next week, starting with the steelers. But what we really need besides all that is the HEART OF A CHAMPION; that’s what we need RIGHT NOW! GO JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!

  95. By Tom Spicer on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Mark Sanchez has not improved enuff, his are is not strong & he make bad decisions with the ball. He could not hit water if he threw a rock out of a boat. He is ok in good weather in bad weather he is a bad QB. BUT all of this blaming him is just wrong. The O line is playing significantly worse than last year. Last year we had a rookie QB & EVERYONE knew we were running the ball & we still ran it down there throats. Last year there were holes that Jones ran thru that I could drive my truck thru. This year LT & Greene are hit the second they cross the line. On passing downs Mark is under constant pressure. The WR’S have to many dropped balls & the just give up & stop running on multiple routes where is the EFFORT! & finally Schotty I am at

  96. By Tom Spicer on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    the game & everyone in my section EVERYONE can say what the play is before he runs it even OLD WOMEN! Now if EVERYONE knows what we are doing before we do it DONT YOU THINK NFL COACHES KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING AHEAD OF TIME YOU ARE NUTS!

  97. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    JetsFan, Leon’s 24 for 74 at RB this year and SEA’s not even using him, okay? And to others, go on the ARI site sometime, there’s nothing but hatred for Faneca and for their D, whatever Rhodes’ numbers. As for the rest of today’s comments, they prove that many fans won’t wait to really build a team through the draft, I already see one call for Haynesworth instead. Well, news flash, everybody in OAK hated McFadden until about two months ago, so you don’t get to the SB by making changes impulsively. You do it by stockpiling draft picks, picking smart, and of course hiring coaches who know how to groom players. I’m not sure we have those coaches at HC and OC, but I’ll wait till the off season to see how Woody and Mr. T respond to all this.

  98. By Tom Spicer on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Schotty, Runs when he is supposed to pass & passes when he is supposed to run. He is not creative he never adds a new play or set. He doesnt take shots down the field. For example Brad Smith everytime he is in the game everyone knows its a run the guy threw for 8,000 yards in college LET HIM THROW THE BALL 1 TIME! Throw the ball deep to Braylon more. Throw more slants to Holmes. When we need to move the chains get it to Cothcery & Keller those are your guys in those sets. Run plays that maximize your players strengths stop with the pre snap sifts they fool NO ONE! Instead of having Mark have to worry about pre snap sifts let him focus on the D & what they are playing! I could go on & on but I am at work SCHOTTY IS NOT GETTING IT DONE!

  99. By GaryC on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    to jet fan tom, I know you don’t want to hear this but McCourty again had a pretty good game and simms said on telecast that one of the patriots big shots said thank god we got McCourty.

  100. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Spicer, I don’t know where I get the self-control to analyze so calmly after such awful games but yeah, one thing I really don’t like about Schotty is his refusal to throw the ball downfield. In fact, I’ll go one better and say that the “West Coast Offense” as we knew it yrs ago with all these WR screens and other horizontal passes is dead, the teams that are scoring and winning simply don’t do this anymore, or they don’t ONLY do this. For all this talk about Schotty grooming Rivers, he’d never let Rivers throw downfield as much as he does these days, it’s practically ALL he does. If firing Schotty, Alosi, emphasizing the draft, and Rex shutting his mouth is what we mostly get out of this yr, that’s better than one-and-out in the playoffs.

  101. By scjoe on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    People, they say hindsight is 20/20 because it is so true. Had Gholston become a stud pass rusher and McFadden been the bust what will those of you be saying now? It’s not as if McFadden was available when they picked anyway, so moot point. That is just one small example of the term hindsight is 20/20 HowieD I have watched Shotty’s play calling since day #1 when Favre first came in (and for the record, I was against that move) the play calling by the same OC looked pretty good until Favre got hurt, would you agree? I am not going to defend Shotty as if he were blood, what I am saying is it is more a function of the offense (QB) not executing on the field then it is the plays that are being called in, by far!

  102. By Mike Jet Vet on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Ok Jet fans now that we heard all the whinning.. Coaches can’t call plays sniff sniff Rex needs to shut his mouth sniff sniff rain cold Giants owner letting Miami practice on our field Sniff sniff .which FYI none wouldn’t have made a difference as bad as they played .Now I Know what your whinning reminds me of Revis whinning about not being able to support a family on 50mill and for your own bias always blaming Schotty .. Not once did I hear not once about Fields Miamis kicker averging 56 and a long over 69 in that rain he won the game as much as we lost it sniff sniff Schotty please call my plays please sniff sniff if it don’t work I’ll blame Rex sniff sniff give the men a break will you

  103. By Jets Fan on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    A. The coach keeps his mouth shut until the teams starts playing like an elite team and wins games against elite teams.
    B. Draft players that will actually produce. (50 million for not even a sack doesn’t really cut it) (number 6 pick in the draft a few years ago was a total bust)
    C. Throw the ball downfield much more than just 1 time each game.
    D. Never run up the middle 2 times in a row.
    E. Do not act cocky when we are winning games at the last second against non-playoff teams with very poor records.
    F. Realize there are many areas that need to be corrected. They need a pass rusher and a safety.
    G. Explain to the receivers that constantly dropping easy passes througout the entire year is unacceptable and damaging.

  104. By scjoe on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Ed in Tuscon, read my first post again. I said that the strength is in the passing game “except for one all important player) THAT meaning MS. If you were to ask any knowledgeable football fan if the receiving core with SH, BE, DK, JC and even Turner included, is the strength of this offense as opposed to the run game with Greene, LT (at this stage of his career), and McKnight (at this stage of his career), what do you think they would tell you? Better question, what would you say? I did see Sanchez “air it out” late in this game Cotchery was wide open for a TD, he over threw him, did you notice that?

  105. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    GaryC, I don’t say McCourty is no good, we liked him as much as Wilson. I just say that his INTs don’t tell the whole story, he gets beat a lot like any other rookie DB. We seem to prefer, in general, to play more experienced guys who get beat a lot rather than use the guys we loved before the draft who then disappear during the season. Sanchez is a different story because we totally handed him the job, but you’ll never convince me that the only guy in the NFL who can bring him along is Schotty, whose record with our O over his entire tenure is iffy at best and now completely embarrassing. At any rate, if we had a QB who could keep the D off the field like Brady, you and me could start at corner for the Jets.

  106. By scjoe on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Fish hunter must be a stand up comic! His team was totally dominated, they stand at 7-6, they will not make the playoffs, and he has the nerve to post here? I think there are more pressing concerns in Miami then in NY.

  107. By Jets Fan on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    How about the trading of Santana Moss? The most dangerous player on the team they trade away. LOL. The list goes on and on. You do not trade players like that, or let go of players like Leon Washington. What in the world could MT be thinking when they give away Leon Washington who did more for that team than anyone. Wake up Tannenbaum and get it together. They give away John Abraham, their best pass rusher who now is on an elite team, the Falcons. I’m happy for him, he deserves to be on that type of team. I think there’s a lot more going on inside the locker room than we’ve been told. I think there’s a chemistry issue going on with Sanchez and the Receivers. DO NOT DROP THE BALL!!

  108. By Jets Fan on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Tom, Leon is averaging almost 28 yards on kickoff returns this year and he has 3 touchdowns on kickoff returns. His punt return average is 18 yards, which has to be either the highest or close to the highest in the league. That’s what he was best at (special teams) when he was on the Jets, and that’s why they never should have let him go. How many touchdowns does the player who replaced him have, mcnight? Answer is ZERO.

    Obviously they should have kept Leon on the team.

  109. By scjoe on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, I’m not sure if your analogy of MS was genuine or if it were sarcasm, but consider this, if he had gone 20 of 26 for 320 yds and 3 TDs and the Jets get the win would you, and a lot of others as well, have praised him with those numbers? I know your answer would be yes, mine as well, so, by going 17 of 44 with NO TDs 2 INTs three others that were dropped, 2 fumbles, no pocket presence what so ever and just looking scared to death on the field and on the sideline, don’t you believe he should be criticized? Other players, coaches, and play calling not withstanding, don’t you think a large portion of what had happened yesterday falls on his shoulders?

  110. By Tom Spicer on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    SCJOE, WRONG! The big problem is the O line & Schotty.. Why is the running game garbage? It is because the O line is not blocking well & Schotty’s calls are to predictable. Every time we run the ball the back gets hit at the line. Last year our backs were 4 yards down the field before they were touched on almost every run. Before you come back & say oh well they are stocking the box to stop the run. WERE THEY NOT STACKING THE BOX TO STOP THE RUN ALL OF LAST YEAR?

  111. By Allen 0"dane on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    After sitting and talking with some of my fellow jet fans, somethings that were said gave me a chance to reflect. 1st. Sanchez is in his 2nd yr. It takes 3-4yrs for a NFL QB to develop. i.e.( Payton Manning )2nd. As much as I don’t like Shotty’s play calling, he’s trying to keep it simple for sanchez. Now imagine Brees, Rivers or Ben with these many weapons at their disposal?. Get the picture. So, after blowing off some steam with my blog earlier common sense is settling in. Now, if in year 3 or 4 we are still talking about these errors…Well..Sanchez…take a seat next to Todd & Nagle as another JET QB Bust and I would have gone completely Bald with all the stress..SO..with that said..LETS GO JETS!..

  112. By Allen 0"dane on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    But I still say Letting go of Alan Faneca was a big mistake. Sticking to my guns with that one.

  113. By ArtSoCal on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Bottom line, too many dropped passes. Those dropped passes would have translated into victories, even recently against Miami. MS throws too hard? How come the young punks @ Mission Viejo High School & USC had the tenacity of character to catch these (hard?) passes but the so-called pros w/Jets cannot?

  114. By JDA on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Long-time JETS fan but first time poster… I agree that MS has looked confused and lost, hoping that he will clear the fog. Shotty is definately way too predictable…(ie. let Smith throw)… Some questions, why does everyone say this is a SB or bust year? Do we really lose that many players after this season?

  115. By rlou24 on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    nyjetsholdupsbtrophyin2010 : You are dead on with the 2nd part of your comment about Bart covering Marshall and Rex’s HC mistakes. The 1st part however I blame alot of our offensive problems on SCHOTTY.. Listen schotty calls the same game plan every week (does he not think thier opponents watch film on them) He doesn’t allow the offense to get into any rhythm with his high school playbook ie 4th and 5 and runs the wildcat (I can’t make this stuff up) I noticed the offense has giving up on schotty. You have Holmes and Edwards but refuse to throw the ball down the field because you are scared of an INT. Instead you call 5 yard passes for INT’s. One other thing if you are going to run the ball up the middle every time stop using LT for that.

  116. By ryan del on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    the jets offense is so predictable its not even funny….first down run up the middle for 1 yard maybe 2…2nd down run again or complete a two yard pass…third down usually left with a 3rd and 8 in which we decide to throw a 5 yard pass….great offense your calling there schotty…with the talent we have on offense the problem is clearly play callling…scoring 9 points in the last two games is just embarrassing and hopefully the jets will do something about this and the only thing I can think of is firing schotty

  117. By GaryC on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    I tend to think the opposing defensive staffs are outwitting shotty. sanchez has to many good games then followed by bad games to be blaming him.the opposing teams are seeing the films on sanchez’s good games and ajusting and shotty is not readjusting.he goes into games with game plan come hell or high water.

  118. By rlou24 on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    cont. The reason why are run game is not up to par is because teams know we will not throw the ball down the field so they stuff 8 guys in the box. There is a reason why Schotty’s dad haves the nick name Marty ball. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Bottom line is Rex needs to make a statement and shake things up weather it’s firing Schotty or bench a few players and show he is running this team.

  119. By Row on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    I do not blame Schotty one bit. #6 has played sporadic for the last 8 weeks. At least one turnover a week. It’s obvious the team has just plain given up on the guy. Lately WR’s are so frustrated, they rarely fight for a ball. Smith has not been involved, LT gets hit in the backfield as he’s getting the ball. I just see very poor execution and the entire offense doesn’t ride on Woody being out. Use the drafted FB, use LT and get it done. Have the FB in as a TE and Rich in the I and use them both to open the hole. Clemens gets 50% of the snaps this week. There is no possible way he plays worse than Sanchez for this long. The defense stepped up and surprisingly used a lot of nickel as I presumed. I am ready to see a lot of running vs Steelers.

  120. By scjoe on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, first off you didn’t answer that question. As for last year? Are you forgetting there were different backs, there was Alan Fanaca ,there was Leon for almost half the year, there was TJ who had a great year, there was a different schedule, that silly wildcat worked so much better,should I go on? Coming from you, you who have criticized me for “comparing” MS with the really good QBs in the league, you turn around and compare last years season with this years. That don’t even make sense. Are you honestly saying that the reason the running game is not going well is because Shotty’s play calls are to predictable? C’mon Tom, you can do better then that.

  121. By scjoe on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    For those that are of the opinion that the play calling is “to predictable” is it really any more predictable then NE, Indy, SD, NO, and some of the other teams that actually get down the field and score TDs? Or do they go out and change the entire play book on offense each week? If you know football you would know that just ain’t going to happen. As I have said often, these plays are practiced over, and over, and over, again. If they are not executed to perfection on the field who really is at fault? For those of you who have played the game, even at the HS level would know that.

  122. By nytitan on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Hey God! I give up whatever it is I did I’m truly sorry it will never happen again. I swear. Just give me one superbowl win before you and I have our face to face.Oh hell you’re probably a Pats fan anyway.

  123. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Jets Fan, Leon is still a good KR, though he only has that average on punts because he broke one for 85 yds in only ten returns. But he didn’t want to just return kicks for us and we didn’t want him for that, he wouldn’t even show up at our facility after a major injury and he turned down a fortune from us twice! If we’d kept him for just kickoffs, what would we be doing with B Smith? I’ll still bet you that McKnight will work out at RB and that when he does, Leon might not even be playing anymore, he looks really awful out of the backfield if you’ve been watching the SEA games.

  124. By MiIKE on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    How! For the first time since drafting Sanchez I am starting to think that maybe he is not the answer. He really has trouble with accuracy. His work ethic and leadership for his age is unquestionably way above his draft class. Yah his recievers clearly are not making plays but he is missing on reads. Know wonder the run game has slowly declined to nothing defenses are not afraid of Sanchez.

  125. By zzeon on Dec 13, 2010 | Reply

    Shottenheimer is a big reason the JETS won’t reach their full potential on offense…in all of the jets losses this year they have failed to score a touchdown in all those games(all against teams with a winning record). Shottenheimer is way too predictable in his play calling and doesn’t do a good job adjusting to what the defenses are doing in the second half of games. He fails to find creative ways to get the ball to his playmakers such as getting mismatches with wide recievers on linebackers the dolphins somehow got marshall on bart scott on the goal line and can’t see why the jets struggle doing the same with all the weapons they have. Sanchez is only part of the problem, the receivers have to stop dropping balls…

  126. By Ed in Tucson on Dec 14, 2010 | Reply

    SCJoe, I noticed that he overthrew or underthrew a lot of his receivers, that’s 1 of my complaints about MS, inconsistent accuracy. I also noticed that some of the few good throws he made were dropped by the very talented receiving corps. What I’ve been saying for years is that the most productive player on the O gets the least touches, B Smith.
    If the plan had been to let MS mature into an NFL QB & not to win a championship this year I would have more patience with him. If we really want to play in Dallas in Feb then Rex needs to sit MS & field a more dynamic O with BS running the show. He could do for the Jets what Michael Vick has done for the Eagles If our main goal is to nurture MS into an NFL quarterback then we need to stop SB talk

  127. By NYJNYJ on Dec 14, 2010 | Reply

    BEST WAY TO FIX ALL THIS:
    1. FIRE BRIAN SCHOTTENHEIMER or tell him to change his god awful playbook, let the QB pass the ball down the field more, for gods sakes u have playmakers like holmes, edwards, cotchery what the heck is wrong with u man? stop playing so conservatively and predictable, thats the only problem with the team, the offense, defense plays great except that loss to NE but who hasnt given up that many points to them this year, i hate NE but they dam good, back to the point, let the sanchize pass the ball down the field, he is excellent is play action, why arent those being called anymore?? i admit sanchez has to get better but its not his fault watsoever for these losses, your beloved offensive coord. is the issue

  128. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 14, 2010 | Reply

    Ed, where do you get an idea like mentioning B Smith at QB in the same universe as Vick? Vick was an All-Pro QB before he went to jail, had started for years, and now he’s having just about the best season of any NFL QB, certainly the best in the NFC. Smith hasn’t played QB regularly since we drafted him and, typically, didn’t give him a chance there. All he’s done is this Wildcat stuff which in the end hasn’t fooled anyone or done squat, aside from a few runs he broke on sheer individual effort and skill. zzeon and NYJNYJ are much more on target regarding the waste of our WRs by Schotty, which is one of the reasons he has to go. I can see it happening immediately if we don’t make the playoffs or even before, no TDs is ridiculous.

  129. By Tom Spicer on Dec 14, 2010 | Reply

    scjoe, 1 This is what I said and I quote “Mark Sanchez has not improved enuff, his are is not strong & he make bad decisions with the ball. He could not hit water if he threw a rock out of a boat. He is ok in good weather in bad weather he is a bad QB” on 12/13. I tell it like it is. YOU only blame him & only him 1 game he threw for 330 yards & 3TD’S & all you could do is talk about 2 passes he missed. YOU are not being fair PERIIOD END OF STORY! Also you said am I honestly saying the running game is not working because of the play calling no it is not working cause of the play calling & the bad play of the O line. Is it the QB’S fault we cant run the ball?

  130. By scjoe on Dec 14, 2010 | Reply

    Ed in Tuscon, I think we are on the same page. Sure those dropped passes hurt, but MS had a completion percentage of 39 in that game, there were maybe 5 dropped passes at most, so lets do the math. I also agree it was NOT a good idea to draft this guy with the limited experience he had in college and start him right off the bat, a huge mistake. But at this point in time, it is what it is, he is the guy and what is even worse is there is no other “guy” behind him on this roster, very bad planning. So, when Rex says “he gives us the best chance to win” he is absolutely right, who else is there? In a perfect world, it should have been Pennington starting and MS sitting behind him for 2 years.

  131. By scjoe on Dec 14, 2010 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, actually, yes, it does have a little to with the play of the QB if you can’t run the ball. I could almost guarantee you that if hit those down field passes on a consistent basis it would open up the run game, it has to! As for the O Line? I agree they are not quite what they are made out to be, but they did lead the league in rushing last year, minus Faneca. Also, you say I blame him and only him, that can not be further from the truth and you know that.

  132. By Westcoast GangGreen on Dec 14, 2010 | Reply

    Jet Nation, Scjoe, Tom Spicer, Ed in Tucson, you can put all the QB’s that been under Schotty give them all the same jersey # and you cant tell them apart in his offense. PERIOD !! You all make great points, but a 3 or 5 yrd out pattern on 3rd and 9 is what it is. Hall of Famers to be (B.F) good qb’s (Chad P) or young guys (Clemens & Sanchez) doesn’t matter, the offense is what is under Schotty,its not going to get any better PERIOD !! Scjoe, the O.C is more than just play calling’its knowing your personal strenghts, developing your young guys along w/vetrans getting the offense to improve as the season goes. On occasion you’ll run into a D that will shut you down, but, thats NFL. cont…

  133. By Westcoast GangGreen on Dec 14, 2010 | Reply

    …cont just hope they can turn it around soon. These conversations happen every year that Schotty is the O.C. because, its the same offensive calls yr after yr with this guy, and you all will keep going back and forth. Hopefully, at seasons end they cout ties w/ Schotty and go a differnt direction, Give Sanchez his 3 or 4 years ( Rex said he’s r guy) and see what happens.. “”ONE GAME AT A TIME” GO J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS…

  134. By scjoe on Dec 14, 2010 | Reply

    West coast, let me see if I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that if we put Sanchez, Brees, and Rivers in the same Jersey, and let them play, that we would not be able to tell them apart? Would you like to retract that before I comment? Because I will tell you if you give me Brees or Rivers in our offense, with our OC , our WRs and our O Line,you would see a world of difference, correction, a universe of difference.

  135. By scjoe on Dec 14, 2010 | Reply

    Westcoast, living out there in Cali, you must see a lot of SD. Would you say that their offense is predictable? Be honest now, do they run pretty much the same plays on a consistent basis? Or do they change the entire offensive play book week to week? (we both know that they do not) Predictability is not the issue with our offense. Brady throwing his short to intermediate passes to Welker is about as predictable as it gets, is it working yet? It is execution on the field more then any other single thing. Not to say that everything else is perfect, just not the main problem.

  136. By Ed in Tucson on Dec 15, 2010 | Reply

    The most predictable part of our O is that when Sanchez lets it fly there’s a good chance it will be intercepted. SCJoe makes an excellent point about NE’s predictability. We all know that Brady’s gonna pass to Welker, the difference is he hits his receivers in stride, allowing for lots of YACs. Sanchez seldom hits his receivers in stride, if he hits them at all. That’s not Schotty’s fault. I am not a Schotty defender but I know that an inaccurate QB can strain even the best OC’s ability.
    BS has not had the opportunity to show what he can do at QB; the same genius who drafted Gholston, a DE, to make him an OLB drafted an outstanding QB from Mizzou to make him a WR. He can’t do much worse than MS has done.

  137. By Westcoast GangGreen on Dec 15, 2010 | Reply

    scjoe, i stated all Q.B’s that have played under Schotty system, B.Farve, Chad. Penn. Clemens and now Sanchez have all performed the same in a Jet uniform. Like i stated that a O.C is more than just play calling, it’s using your offensive players strenghts. Your correct about how NE uses Welker, if thats working so well, and this is such a copycat league, why doesn’t Schotty use S. Holmes the same way, both about the same size, both quick, and slashy. why dont they line Keller in the back field and isolate him one on one with a linebacker like they do the rookie Hernandez. you have to find ways to get the ball to our strenghts, even if you have to copy someone else.. you have to be creative as a O.C not predictable…. cont

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