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For the Jets, the Offseason Begins Now

Posted by Eric Allen on January 27, 2011 – 4:54 pm

The first week of the Jets’ offseason is under way as the Green & White have a large contingent of scouts at the Senior Bowl proceedings down in Mobile, Ala. The NFL’s annual draft will take place April 28-30 at Radio City Music Hall in New York City, but nobody knows when free agency will begin as the league’s Collective Bargaining Agreement is set to expire on March 3.

When an agreement is eventually reached, the Jets potentially could have as many as 17 unrestricted free agents. They had just seven UFAs last year because only players who had been in the league six years or more qualified for free agency. But that number had always been four years in the past and the six-year model, which rendered hundreds of players restricted rather than unrestricted free agents in 2010, is expected revert to its old standard.

If that’s the case, the Jets UFA list would stand at 17 and would include QB Kellen Clemens, CB Drew Coleman, CB Antonio Cromartie, WR Braylon Edwards, DE Shaun Ellis, K Nick Folk, ILB David Harris, WR Santonio Holmes, T Wayne Hunter, S James Ihedigbo, LB Lance Laury, S Brodney Pool, DL Trevor Pryce, FB Tony Richardson, WR Brad Smith, S Eric Smith and P Steve Weatherford.

Only Rob Turner, with three accrued seasons, would be an RFA, meaning the Jets could place a tender on the veteran lineman and protect themselves from losing him by earning the right to match another team’s contract offer and/or guaranteeing compensation in return for his departure.

Six of the aforementioned 17 possible UFAs — Edwards, Ellis, Hunter, Pool, Pryce and Richardson — will have at least six accrued seasons on their résumés so you can definitely pen them in as unrestricted. The only catch here is the Jets are free to conduct normal contract negotiations with any of these players until the current CBA expires.

But there are limitations that include the 30 percent rule and a possible return of the salary cap. It should also be noted that there is no guarantee that a cap, which placed not only a ceiling but a floor on teams’ spending, will return.

“You still have budgets you have to hit,” said GM Mike Tannenbaum on the prospect of no cap before free agency commenced in ’10. “You still have targets that you have to be at.”

Tannenbaum and the Jets’ brass are already hard at work with the goal of getting the Jets to Indianapolis and Super Bowl XLVI after two consecutive appearances in the AFC Championship Game. Once a new CBA is reached, they’ll have to make a number of interesting decisions …

“Hitman” Harris is one of the NFL’s top linebackers and his teammates voted him the Curtis Martin Team MVP. His 119 tackles in ’10 led the Jets for the third time in four seasons and he also added three sacks. The Jets like to keep their young stars in house as evidenced by the recent extensions of D’Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold and Darrelle Revis.

Will it be possible to keep both Edwards and Holmes? If not, which playmaker will the Jets attempt to lock down?

Are Kyle Wilson and Vladimir Ducasse ready for prime time?

Wilson, selected No. 29 overall out of Boise State last April, and Ducasse, the club’s second -round pick (No. 61 overall) out of UMass, could be in line for prominent roles in 2011. Cromartie had a solid season as the Jets’ No. 2 corner, but he could command a big deal on the open market and Wilson could pair up with the NFL’s top corner, Darrelle Revis, on the outside.

Hunter played very well down the stretch and he could find some suitors. Ducasse is a raw talent who will benefit from a year under his belt under coach Bill Callahan. Speaking of Coach Cally, lots of folks were worried about what the Jets would do at LG after Alan Faneca moved on. Matt Slauson performed pretty well, didn’t he?

Is the Big Katt still prowling in Florham Park come 2011? Shaun Ellis, whose 72.5 regular-season sacks rank third in franchise history, can still play at a high level as we saw in his dominant performance in the Jets’ AFC Divisional Round win over the Patriots.

Jim Leonhard is under contract, but the Jets’ postseason starting safety pair — Smith and Pool — are both set to become UFAs.

The versatile Brad Smith, who played a big role on offense and was the NFL’s second-leading KR man, is on the list of UFAs as well. He joins K Nick Folk and P Steve Weatherford in the special teams conversation.

There are lots of questions that will be answered in due time for this Super Bowl contender. Tannenbaum is scheduled to hold a season ending conference call with the media on Friday.


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53 Responses to “For the Jets, the Offseason Begins Now”

  1. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 27, 2011 | Reply

    Thanks, Eric, for mentioning that there may not be any salary cap at all, much less a lower one. My guess is that there is one and it’s very generous, in which case we don’t have much of a problem. In my view, there are only 4 guys on that list we absolutely must sign, SH, BE, DH, and Cro, and 3 or 4 more that we really should sign, ES, BP, Hunter, Turner. Everyone else is either replaceable or not crucial. Conley beats out Weatherford, any one of several Jets replaces Smith at KR and Turner replaces him at WR (finally!), Conner replaces T-Rich, just about anyone replaces Folk. Sorry, the sky is not falling, not with Mr. T’s skills, Rex’s ravenous hunger for a SB, and the Jets overtaking the Giants in TV ratings for the first time in yrs.

  2. By dougmc on Jan 27, 2011 | Reply

    slow down James…I meant LG not RG because Ducasse didn’t break the line up and Slausen is good but not dominate. Moore is all-pro.Brick and Mangold too but Woody is a little long in the tooth, so the point was to draft another all pro lineman with a late first round pick. Sorry for the confusion but I know plenty of football and I am 205lbs. and run a 4.62 40 time and have followed the Jets since superbowl 3. I played wr/db in high school and 1 yr. junior…Also played in LITFL for 10 years .It’s not my job to single out bloggers or tell the Jets how they need to run their organization when mistakes are made.I’ve never seen any of your posts before but i hope you have more insight than pointing out this error. JETS…JETS…JETS…!!!

  3. By GaryC on Jan 27, 2011 | Reply

    time to go back to the old ways to build the team, trades and draft and the occasional free agent signing, not full board thank you, rex always talks about the young players, time to see what they have.no more one year plans, too many of those and the jets will revert back to the early seventies,lousy.

  4. By saul Feder on Jan 27, 2011 | Reply

    win the divison anf superbowl; this year go time

  5. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 27, 2011 | Reply

    Exhibit A in Why Worrying is Useless: After all this talk about how impossible it will be to sign both Holmes and Edwards, much less those two plus Cro, Cimini reports today that despite the labor issue teams will be able to use the franchise tag on players. Anyone who doesn’t think the Jets will rush to tag both SH and BE ain’t all there, plus Cimini makes the surprisingly good point that for those worried about SH and BE’s off-the-field issues, 2 more 1-yr deals might keep them on their best behavior. Heck, paying BE $9.5 mil for 1-yr even if he’s suspended for that whole yr isn’t a bad deal if he sticks around after that. I don’t make predictions on anything ’cause there are always unknowns and this is a great illustration of that.

  6. By GaryC on Jan 27, 2011 | Reply

    jet fan tom, put the franchise tag on holmes and edwards and see how they react to that. no players want that and I don’t think the jets will put up with that kind of aggravation even though you think everyone wants to play for the jets.

  7. By wayne on Jan 27, 2011 | Reply

    Cimini doesn’t have any of the answers. He’s speculating just like the rest of us…Guys want to get paid and I don’t blame them one iota…They’re just going to accept 1 or 2 yr deals….Why??? Cause it’s the Jets? If the NFL goes to an extended sched I can see owners opening up their wallets. Otherwise there will only be the standard incremental cap increase. The sky may not be falling, but neither can Mr. T walk on water. He rolled the dice and they came up snake eyes……I’m a player putting my body on the line AND playing more games, it becomes even more imperative that I get some security. Long term security…It will be interesting to see this all unfold.

  8. By Christopher on Jan 27, 2011 | Reply

    Shotty must go, or at least have someone else take over to playcalling (Rex, this is your team). Challenge yourself to learn how to call the offense this offseason.

    Please take down the yellow, why is there? Makes me want to puke.

    Hey Rex, you can add Shotty to the list of people that have cost you a Superbowl. What about having Bill Callahan taking over OC.

    I personally feel Rex wants to keep Shotty around because he is his scapegoat, a guy he didn’t bring in that is easily disposable if things turn ugly next year, but not having any accountability this year is discraceful.

  9. By scjoe on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    64tom, maybe I am misunderstanding you, and I am referring to the current CBA that is in place through March when I say this, you can not franchise 2 players, only one. And if it comes down to using that tag on any ONE player, we better hope that Harris has already agreed to a contract extension, because I just don’t see the Jets letting him test free agency. I did hear something about SH maybe being a “restricted” FA and they can match any offer, is that what you were referring to? Maybe Randy can clear that up for us.

  10. By Randy Lange on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    scjoe, see Eric Allen’s blog on the offseason that we posted late Thursday afternoon. There are some answers there, but not all.

  11. By 1986 on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    I WANT TO KEEP BRAYLON AN HOLMES BUT IF WE DONT KEEP BOTH THAN KEEP HOLMES,JCO IS A RESPECTABUL WIDEOUT IN THE LEAGUE PLUS YOU HAVE KELLER WHO NEEDS THE BALL IN HIS HANDS . WE CAN FIND POSSESSION RECIVIERS FROM ANYWERE,THAT DO MORE CATCHING THAN TALKING.OUR RUNNING BACKS HAVE PASS CATCHING ABILITES IN MCKNIGHT,OR LT EVEN SHAWN GREEN IS FAIR WITH HIS HANDS ,LT MIGHT NOT STAY BUT I WOULD NOT BE MAD IF HE STAYED TO HELP OUT MCKNIGHT AN GREEN.IF BRAYLON STAYS ALL THE MORE BETTER BUT KEEPING REVIS AN CROMARTIE TANDEM IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HOLMES AN BRAYLON ,SANCHEZ CAN MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT ON OFFENSE,BUT WE NEED ANOTHER CORNER TO ROLL WITH REVIS AN KLYE WILSON IS NOT THE ANSWER , HOPEFULLY WE USE OUR DRAFT FOR A BETTER PURPOSE

  12. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    dougmc, given your qualifications, which are impressive, I’d like to hear more of your thoughts on Slauson. Sure, I wouldn’t call him dominant this yr, but he sure came on after the first 4 or 5 games. I had a feeling anyone that Callahan wanted us to pick, 6th round or not, had a real good chance of working out. I certainly don’t think anyone would rather have had Faneca, who had a lousy yr for the Cards. I think we bit the bullet on this move at the right time, which now lets us try to work Ducasse in on the right side, and I agree with you that another significant draft pick for the O line would be a good idea. Let’s hear what else you have to say about that area and your thoughts on what else we should draft for.

  13. By IRA on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    First off all i would put that tender on Turner. I would love to keep everybody but you can’t. I would resign once they can Ellis,both Smith’s and Pool. Provided there is a franchise tag i would use it on either SH or BE and then sign the other to a 1 yr deal. They both need to show they have learned from their mistakes 1 more year before you invest in them for the long term. Harris gets the long term deal. That would be the safest investment for one of their top players. As for AC well i would let him test the market then see if you can make him an offer. If not then move on and either hope Wilson steps up or look to bring in another veteran CB. I hate to say this but i think Drew is going to get some good offers.

  14. By IRA on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    As for Mizzou that is going to be difficult too. He is going to get some real good offers and just like they didn’t want to pay Leon [ a role player] they might not want to invest big money in Mizzou. I hope i am wrong.
    Hunter is a must. No way is Ducasse ready yet. I would also like to lock up Digs.
    Too bad we have to talk about this stuff right now. I was sure this wouldn’t come up for another 2-3 weeks.

  15. By Viveca on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Randy, about restricted player… how does this work? If we want to keep, let’s say Brad Smith, and another team outbids us-how are we compensated ? Will we get a compensatory pick or a regular draft pick?
    We should keep Hunter and Turner. Our O-line is the strength of our team. Not sure that Green has what it takes to be the featured back. If LT leaves we might have to invest in another running back.
    Cromartie’s attitude worries me. Wish he had the same passion for tackling as he has for using expletives…

  16. By Randy Lange on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Viveca, we don’t know all the parameters of 2011 restricted free agency yet, but the way RFAs have worked is that each team decides whether to tender or not tender each of its RFAs. The tenders come at different compensation levels (first and second round, first round, round in which the player was drafted), with different salaries corresponding to each level. If another team is interested in one of the Jets’ RFAs, it signs that player to an offer sheet. If the Jets match the offer sheet, they retain the player. If they don’t, they receive the compensation for which they tendered the player. The compensation is in regular draft picks, not compensatory picks, which are another ballgame entirely.

  17. By TONY GARCIA on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    BUILD thru draft,keep present team together as best as possible.
    continuity is best for team.im not crazy about shotty but stop blamming him for not executing.jet fan since 1969.
    ps we had a great season.

  18. By GaryC on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Ira I have a question for you, people who complain that smith does not have a true position and we can live without him, what is ighedibos position on the jets.he is not a great cover guy, very good special teamer,just like brad smith so what is the difference between one from the other.

  19. By sal on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Ellis ,Harris, are a must , Holmes willl be nice, but we will see how much he puts on the Jets signing him knowing he couldnt even start till 4 games into the season means to him,. Iam sure Mr. T will put a winning product on the feild. Would like to see T Rich back also!

  20. By Chas on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Schotty deserves another year. That being said, Today’s OC’s lack creativity. Next year Connor needs to start, block and also get carries. He’s a big back, a great blocker, that ran well against Buffalo. Why not give carries to both the FB and the
    RB?

  21. By IRA on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Gary C,
    Digs is their best ST coverage player and before he got hurt was used in packages and blitzed. Mizzou is different he doesn’t have a true position but he makes big plays to win games for them. Sad thing is they won’t be able to keep all.

  22. By Allen 0"dane on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    The Jets to do list: 1-Sign David Harris! I would love to see SH & BE again, but it’s not going to happen. SH has shown to be a game changer when used properly. Keep the O-line intact. Draft a stud OLB who can rush the passer and a DE. We could use a future safety. I like Jim L & Brodney P in the backfield. If Cro doesn’t stay..Mr. Wilson will need to step up. But I’d rather see Cro because of his strength speed and range. We need speed at the LB positions ( Remember Big Ben’s 3 & 7 play? ) It was a great season. Proud to be a Jet Fan! 2011 is this the year? Can’t Wait!

  23. By IRA on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    If they let Cro go i would like to see Wilson step in for Cro and let them then resign Drew to play nickel and then draft a CB at some point in the draft.

  24. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    GaryC, you forget Edwards actually liked being tendered last yr, maybe Holmes would like it this yr. I thought you could only tag 1 guy too but Cimini sort of gave the impression you can tag more, anyway being able to tag at least 1 sure helps. For the record, Ira, Cimini saw it exactly like you did: Tender, say, SH, sign DH long-term, tag BE again, let Cro test the market. I also think you’re on target with the Leon/Smith comparison in that Leon’s injury = Smith’s lack of a starting position. Most of all I agree, Ira, about even discussing this stuff today, I didn’t really think we’d be doing that. Since we are, I like Mr. T’s quote today about a foundation for long-term success in the context of our winning the TV battle with the Giants.

  25. By scjoe on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Ira, I would agree with you on Turner, assuming you are speaking about Turner the linemen and not the WR. As for Ellis, Pool, Smith and Smith? I can see them being not only replaced but maybe even upgraded for about the same $. I think B Smith will get a lot of attention, but not 100% sure that it is warranted, at the end of the day his roll will not be as a starter, especially on this team. Pool and the other Smith I believe are two spots that HAVE to be upgraded. There is a lot of sentiment towards certain players and I know I will hear about it, but my goal is for the team to get better, not status quo.

  26. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Also GaryC, it’s Collinsworth who said he hears lots of players around the NFL saying they want to be Jets, so take that up with him. But if ever there was a time in the last 40 yrs that might be true, I have to think it’s now. We’re on the way to being a contender every yr which by the way is usually the step before winning a SB as has been shown from DAL in the early 70s to IND a few yrs ago. We have an owner who spends, a HC players love, a new stadium, great facilities. And I don’t care what anyone says, playing in NY has its pluses. There are great players out in the boonies who’ve never been fawned over as much as lesser Jets are every day. I loved Urlacher’s answer when told one of Cutler’s tweet critics was Kerry Rhodes: “Who’s he?”

  27. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Also on guys wanting to be Jets: I have a friend in Madison whose neighbor knows Leonhard and talks to him all the time. It wouldn’t be right for me to quote exactly what my friend says his neighbor has heard Leonhard say, but I’ll say that for several yrs now it’s sounded like Leonhard describes an almost euphoric sense among players about the vibe on the team, like with Coleman’s “There isn’t any place like this” quote on this site the other day. One reason I’m so much in favor of giving Sanchez the reins and dumping the Wildcat stuff (here I go again, Ed) is ’cause a real franchise QB in charge of the team attracts fans, players, you name it. By contrast, MIA now has neither a good QB, the Wildcat working, nor much else worth a damn.

  28. By scjoe on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    While we are all talking about the off season there are 2 other spots that need big time upgrades, punter, and kicker! Both were far to inconsistent this year and ST are far to important to overlook any upgrades at those spots. We can all talk and offer our opinions on what changes there should be, and will be, but they are all moot until we see exactly what the new CBA brings.

  29. By Brian Dennis on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    4 main key factors the JETs didn’t make it to the Super Bowl.

    • RED ZONE – Scoring inefficiency- one red zone score wins that game.
    • Lack of 3rd down Stops – one stop prevents a score, gets ball back at end of game
    • Turn Over’s – the QB fumble and defense score was the game killer
    • Penalties- extended a drive which lead to a score

    The Main focus for Rex Ryan to get the JETS to the promise land should be

    Designing killer plays that get Red Zone scoring results – Offensive Coordinator Challenge
    Designing Killer plays that shut teams down on 3rd down attempts – Defensive Coordinator Challenge
    Making sure his team is discipline and the players are highly motivated to come to play right from the first play and eliminating and diminishing turn over’s and penalties. -Head Coach Challenge

  30. By Tom Spicer on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Let the following guys go Brunell, Hartstock, LT (replaced by McKnight), Leonard, Thomas, Jenkins, Gholston, Woody (replaced by Hunter) & Taylor. This would free up over 22 MIL for free agents. This does not include any money that Harris, Cro, Holmes & Braylon made this year which we could also add to that number. With McKnight replacing LT & Hunter replacing Woody the only guy on our O over 27 would be Moore & he is one of the best guards in the NFL. With the above moves our O would be set on D we would need D line, Resign Pool & Smith to play saftey, Ellis to play end & our entire free agency & top of our draft should be fouced on getting the best pass rusher we can to replace Thomas & Taylor. Ellis, Smith & Pool we can sign for cheap &

  31. By Tom Spicer on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    with the money we have from these moves sign Harris, Holmes & Braylon in that order. Let Cro test the market & if he goes he goes as long as we get Harris, Holmes & Braylon back I dont care.

  32. By Tom Spicer on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Everything I read says the Jets are looking at Harris, Cro, Holmes & Braylon in that order I pray that is not the case. In my eyes it should be Harris, Holmes, Braylon & then Cro.

  33. By Tom Spicer on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Randy, Is there anyway you can do a poll to see what the Jet fan thinks in regards to who we should resign? Just as far as the big 4 Harris, Holmes, Braylon & Cromartie.

  34. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Brian D, that really sums it up! I especially like the way you frame the issues as challenges, ’cause for all his big talk Rex sure is shirking a few of those. He seems to think in this day and age it’s okay for a HC to have little input into the O, not even know much about it. If he IS playing the game Christopher suggests about keeping Schotty as a scapegoat, that’s even more shirking of responsibility. Arte sent me a private email (hope you don’t mind being quoted, Arte, I thought the line was brilliant) in which he summed up Rex’s frail grasp of the O with “Time to take the training wheels off.” Like most folks who talk too much and act too little, there’s usually quite a bit of fear underneath the talk and that’s what I sense with Rex.

  35. By IRA on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Tom, You know what the bad part of all this talk is. After March 4th it’s all old until after they get the CBA in place. Until then i can’t talk about this until August. It will be time to move on and get ready for the draft and that will be weird. The jets have been big players in signing FA’s and then drafting. This time i am sure they have a FA plan but they and all the NFL teams need to really have good drafts this year.

  36. By troy(nyjetsholdupsbtrophyin2010 on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Wow,17 UFA’S knew we had a few but 17..This could be a totally different looking team in 11′,this unfortunate high number puts us even though we beat em way behind the pats when it comes to future outlooks,if you lose 1 of Wr’s then your back to where we’ve been for years missing an element ie. Edwards size or Santonio’s explosivness,Brad Smith will get calls from every team in NFL we wont be able to come close to $ he will get shown,with Wilson having 1st round $ A-Cro will be somewhere else,but their should be some $ to spend with Woody ,BIG Jenks,Ellis and Probably B.Thomas being off the books,now how they spend it will dtermine how many guys we can bring in ex.Harris is bigtime $,go get Nmandi Aso. and thats $..We did have all the chips

  37. By troy(nyjetsholdupsbtrophyin2010 on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    continued..pushed to the center of the table this season and to not fulfill our goal is very disappointing ,and only because of extreme uncertanty that lies with this roster,hopefully the new CBA will have a high cap,so we can bring most of our guys back and go get a few more pieces to fill the void of those we dont and draft picks that have not panned out (Gholston) hearing Mr.T guareentee Shotty’s return so soon is a little disconcering ,the scheme just isn’t consistent to being a dominant offense ,after 5 years taking a look at other possibilites to O-Coord should have been something they looked into..what a nerve racking offseason were in for

  38. By Christopher on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    You all realize that if they let Cro go then we lose a second round draft pick for nothing. Trading a second round draft pick for nothing would have been ok if we won the SuperBowl, but we simply cannot afford to lose Cro and a second round draft pick.

    Only way it would be ok is if somehow Asomugha signs with us. The good thing we have going is players want to come here, so some may be willing to take less money to play for us.

  39. By dougmc on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    ’64 Tom, I haven’t gotten into the draft guides and done any research yet, but best available at the 29th-30th pick would probably be a safety or LB. Pass rusher is our first need and I guess Ghoulston is a bust.Depending on trades or which players we can’t afford will dictate our hand. I love the moves Mr.T makes so I am looking forward to all the plays to be made into the draft and beyond .Rex will lean towards a defensive player with probably 1st and second picks. Hope we get superstar DE from draft or otherway.

  40. By Christopher on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Then the SH and BE debate. BE has really shown he is a complete WR, he can catch, short, over the middle, deep, and he blocks, and he may be the best blocking WR in the NFL. I know SH is a game changer, but in my opinon BE is the must keep, but his pending DUI will make it difficult to franchise a guy that may not play. Unless the have Harris signed, or know he will sign a long term deal, we almost have to waste our franchise tag on him, but hopefully he signs and we can use it on SH. Then hopefully we can get Edwards to sign, say a 4 yr deal @ $7-8M a year. SH has been huge, and Rex says he is a good teammate, but I’m not sold on that. If SH has an incentive based contract we may see more problems if he doesn’t get the ball enough.

  41. By Row on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    I think the big people we need to bring back are LT, T-Rich, Braylon and Brad. I haven’t looked a lot at the openings but that’s where I see it. I know LT is signed, but it looked like Mr. T really tried to blackball him late in the season. The problem was that he was the better runner all season. After about week 8, the line just didn’t hold blocks as well. (woody) Sanchez is still the guy holding back the offense. He made a few plays here and there checking down to LT, but that’s about it. The blown play to SH I could have thrown. 50 yards doesn’t get it done. I just can’t stand how everyone gives him tons of credit when he consistently throws high and behind the receivers. I also have see a lot of complete flubs by like 5 yards.

  42. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Ira, I know what you mean about the long wait till August. Troy, your pt about going right back to where we were for yrs if we don’t keep both SH and BE is spot on, with just one of those guys they’ll be triple-teamed and J-Co can be covered by one guy, as we saw before SH became active. Fortunately, Mr. T sounds like he realizes this and if we don’t keep both, a new WR will be required. Spicer, I support your breakdown to a T including losing Leonhard or at least relegating him to part-time work and punts. I’m convinced he’s too small to play in a conference in which our main rival has 3 huge TEs, none of which he can cover or tackle. Chris, remember how we did with just BE and J-Co in ’09 to see what it would be like without SH.

  43. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Row, I knew your silence after all three playoff games meant that you didn’t want to say anything until you could contrive some way, however ridiculous, of trashing Sanchez. Sometimes you’re as predictable, and as predictably wrong, as Schotty at the goal line. And I sure would like to see you or most other young NFL QBs throw that 50-yd pass on the run for a TD to Holmes. Oh yeah, I forgot, last summer you told us to “forget Holmes” in favor of Danario Alexander. You’re just not operating in the real world with this jive, dude.

  44. By Chas on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    Would be nice to sign BE and SH, but if they aren’t, there’s always the draft. Orignally from N.J. now in Pa. The last I checked, the Steelers are in the SB without SH, thanks mainly to Mike Wallace and rookies Antonio Brown(remember him?)and
    Emmanuel Sanders. The Jets have done a good job of keeping salaries in check. I just think that they have to be smart with SH and BE and the rest of their free agents.

  45. By prezidentialsports on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    As far as the Jets go and this off season there are many important players ion the free agency list. but there are three players I think the Jets cannot live without. David Harris, Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards. To me Edwards has showed such a maturity and dedication to the organization that gave him a chance to win. He has taken that opportunity and ran with it. Two great years as Jet. Holmes works out with Sanchez in the off season and the chemistry they have built is vital to the continuing progress and success of Mark Sanchez. And David Harris. Not the biggest or the fastest LB in the league by far. But he knows the Jets defense and has always done what is asked of him. Too find a replacement for him will be beyond difficult..

  46. By prezidentialsports on Jan 28, 2011 | Reply

    And to those that think Cro is a must for the Jets. You are beyond wrong. He did have an ok year with the Jets and played well in the absence of Revis. But you can easily blame the jets demise in that championship game on his two penalties. If I am the Jets front office I save as much salary as possible after signing Harris, Holmes and Edwards. Edwards likes NY so much he may tale less money if we were gonna be better. and what would be better than Revis and Nnamdi on the corners. We all Know Nnamdi wants to come to the Jets. If you really rather have Cro over Nnamdi then you are sick. Rex can then have a field day with exotic blitz schemes with those two on the corners.

  47. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 29, 2011 | Reply

    Yeah, Chas, the Steelers are in the Super Bowl without Holmes — and with Wallace, probably the fastest WR in the league, who led by far in yds per catch, along with one of the most solid WR vets in the NFL in Ward and 2 great rookies. We have Holmes, Edwards, and J-Co now so of course we’d like to keep them. But Wallace, Edwards, and J-Co or Holmes, Jackson, and J-Co would be just as good. Any way you slice it, you need more than just a #1 WR and some other okay guys. Ask BAL, who just fired their QB coach Zorn, how Mason, Boldin, and Housh worked out for them. Answer: Not good enough. And NE and MIA are going to be adding strength at WR, so we’re hardly in the position to let up in that department. Or draft for a WR with our holes on D.

  48. By Chas on Jan 29, 2011 | Reply

    Good point Jet Fan. Will definitely be interesting to see what SH and BE are offered! Would rather not see Vincent Jackson(if that’ who you mean) as a Jet.

  49. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 29, 2011 | Reply

    Yeah, Chas, much as I would preferred next Sunday’s excitement, there’s definitely gonna be some post-season excitement. And yeah, I’m talking about Vincent Jackson, who’s a monster WR and even bigger than Edwards. I’ve followed his holdout in SD very carefully and while I was really down on Revis for holding out, maybe a change of scene would help Jax. prezidential, I like your point about paying Aso instead of Cro is possible. And I like your optimism about going after Aso in general, stranger things have happened and heck, we’re not the guys who have to work out the numbers, so what’s the harm in speculating? It’s the Same Old Jets mentality to assume that things can’t possibly work out before they’re even tried, who needs that?

  50. By Row on Jan 29, 2011 | Reply

    Tom, DX is 22, had a terrible coaching staff (better QB) and minimal playing time and was still a big play guy. (20 Rec 1 72 yd TD) I can guarantee he flourishes with McDaniels at the OC helm. Holmes was a rent for one year. He was clutch, but very annoyed at Schotty, also at Sanchez for his high balls and complete lack of vision downfield. Rex was right, we got how far #6 took us, and it will be worse next year. Look at the stats. Wk 12 on, he went 7TD’s 7 INT’s. Ya, he lit up the worst passing defense at the Pats, but he took some terrible sacks and fumbled to lose the game at Pittsburg. It’s time for a new safety. It’s time for better line play. I think if Pryce gets himself into shape, he can be our new NT. Either way we draft defense.

  51. By Tom Spicer on Jan 29, 2011 | Reply

    Row, Yea Mark had that bad run but what about starting the year with 8 TD’S & zero picks? What about having 5 TD’S & 1 pick in the playoffs all on the road? Mark fumbled to lose the game at Pitt really? You much have watched a different game than the rest of America because the game I watched Pitt ran all over us. We could not get to Ben with our pass rush & we could not run the ball (we had 1 yard rushing in the 1st half) Mark & our passing game was all we had. So please tell me how Mark lost that game for us?

  52. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 29, 2011 | Reply

    Row, I actually like DX, I posted to you every time he had a good game. But it’s absurd to compare a 1st-yr guy who’s shown promise to someone like Holmes, who can change any game in one play and who’s already done more than most players do in an entire career. I’m halfway between you and scjoe on one side and spicer on the other, I think if Sanchez shows a bigger improvement between yr 2 and 3 than he did in 1 and 2 I’ll be more optimistic, but I still have a lot of questions. “Intangibles” aren’t worth that much if they don’t apply for most of the regular season. The “fumble” vs. PIT isn’t the only thing that lost the game, and it was one of the many bad calls to begin with, even if it didn’t quite score out as high as the fixed calls.

  53. By Chas on Jan 30, 2011 | Reply

    Jet Fan,
    I know Jackson is a stud. A lasting memory for me is when he kicked the challenge flag last year. He seems like another Cromartie to me. Very good talent with not alot of character. Do we really want another Charger? Knowing that Cromartie did what the team asked and was eager to return kickoffs(definitely a big one against the Colts) there is alot of baggage that comes with that.

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