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Four New Faces Join the Canvas Pantheon

Posted by Randy Lange on October 26, 2011 – 5:05 pm

Move over, Original Six. The Fresh Four have just arrived and they’re going to hang with you.

For a year now, the fieldhouse at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center in Florham Park, N.J., has been home not only to the occasional indoor practices by the Jets but also to the banners honoring each member of the original six-man class of the Jets Ring of Honor beaming down on those practices and other activities below..

The 25’x20′ canvas banners depicting the faces of Weeb Ewbank, Joe Namath, Don Maynard, Winston Hill, Joe Klecko and Curtis Martin in shades of green and white were hung high on the almost-100-foot-high south wall of the fieldhouse shortly after the first Ring of Honor ceremony. That was held on Aug. 16, 2010, during the Jets-Giants preseason game to open the stadium originally known as New Meadowlands.

Year 2 in the new building brought the second ROH class of Larry Grantham, Gerry Philbin, Al Toon and Freeman McNeil into the fold. And not only have the four new guys on the block had their ceremony at MetLife Stadium on Monday night, Oct. 17, and have seen their names go up on the stadium facade. But now they have to return to New Jersey to see their faces on the wall.

Today was the day that the four new banners, designed by NCG in New York, were hoisted on the fieldhouse walls. Michael Lebet, director of building operations, and his building ops team joined forces with Airside to get the align the six holdover banners with the four new banners, plus two Ring of Honor banners and a 40-foot-high Lombardi Trophy banner in a two-row checkerboard alignment that runs parallel to the south sideline from end line of the turf field below to the other.

First an orange Teupen spider lift was brought into the fieldhouse. Once anchored, workers ascended to banner height, where they used half-inch twisted steel cabling and 3-inch D-rings to hold the new banners in place and wire ties to tighten them at the bottom.

“It’s great to pay homage to our past greats,” said Lebet. “And it’s fun to hang those banners — if you like heights.”

Now 10 classic Jets/Titans faces preside over the activities on the floor below. Joe Rey took the centerpiece photo and the closer view of the crane that soon will be appearing with this blog.

There’s room for plenty more canvases of the Jets’ old masters on the fieldhouse walls. By my count 10 more will fill out the south wall, plus four or five on each end wall and four or five amid the beams and poles on the north wall next to the rest of the training center. It’ll take a few years to fill these empty spaces, but they will be filled.

Let us know who you’d like to see honored next in the stadium Ring of Honor and on the fieldhouse walls. And once again let’s lift our glasses high to the Terrific Ten now towering above us here. May more memories be added to those they provided us, especially in the next 12 or 13 games that the Jets are planning for the remainder of the 2011 season.

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75 Responses to “Four New Faces Join the Canvas Pantheon”

  1. By sal on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    why isnt Emerson Boozer there with Hill and Namath , at this point the whole superbowl team should be up there! I like Klecko and Toone, but neither one brought a ring home!

  2. By RACHEL on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply


  3. By kw65fan on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    Is this any time open to the public Randy…??? Who would i like to see…well being an old timer…there are a few that stand out…Randy Rasmussen, John Schmidt, Matt Snell (scored the only Jet TD in SBIII), Al Atkinson and Jim Turner. going forward from there….Wesley Walker, Ken O’Brien, Wayne Chrebet, Lance Mehl, Marty Lyons, Greg Buttle, Brett Favre(only joking) going back I forgot John Elliot and Emerson Boozer. All true Jets from their beginning to the end. Alright, maybe head case Gastineau for all those great sacks and the one that should be still holding the record..not that fake one by Strahan on Favre.

  4. By round24 on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    put in revis!

  5. By dave nolan on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    It is high time that the dramatics are put aside and the organization did the right thing and nominated Mark Gastineau as a Ring of Honor recipient.

    He is the sack king with 22(Michael Strahan is tied with him at 22 we all know is 23rd did not count).

    Also along with Joe Klecko,Marty Lyons and Abdul Salaam they made the most feared defensive line in Jets history.I am sure if polled the others would agree as well.

    Lets do the right thing…..bettter late than never !!!!!!!

    Thank You

  6. By scjoe on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    Randy, here are a few names I would like to see in that ring in the near future..Lance Mehl, (LB) Joe Fields, (C) Dan Alexander(G) Jim Sweeny (G) Mo Lewis (LB) John Schmitt (C) and Mat Snell (RB) for starters. Although there have been many worthy Jets along the way, these are a few that come to mind for me.

  7. By Jet Fan Tom Since '64 on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    I’m boycotting the Ring of Honor, or at least paying little attention to it, until Walker’s in it. He was easily the most impactual WR we’ve ever had aside from Maynard and if we’d won a SB while Walker was in his prime, he’d take a back seat to no one at the WR position. I still wonder if his frank talk a couple months ago about how the Jets haven’t had a really awesome deep threat since he left the team has ruffled a few feathers at Florham Park. Feathers aside, he’s right.

  8. By Hans on Oct 26, 2011 | Reply

    I think we all know one undisputed person who needs to be in the Ring of Honor…..


  9. By IRA on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    The next four i would like to see get in are Chrebet,Moe Lewis, Leahy, and Mawae.
    Looking ahead to the Bills i see that while the Jets are 5th in the NFL in RZ scoring at 95.2@ the Bills are tied with the Lions for 1st at 100%. The Bills have got into the RZ 21 times and have scored 16 TD’s and 5 FG’s. The D really has to focus on that plus they always make big plays. This is going to be a good challenge for the Jets and we should have a better feel for what they really are after they beat the Bills.

  10. By Rich Delia on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Wesley Walker is definitely a high candidate for this position

  11. By Jim Singh on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    How about long forgotten HARRY WISMER? Without him there are no NY Jets!!!

  12. By Clarke W. Griswald on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Say what you want about Sanchez, his receivers aren’t doing him too many favors. This seems to be the biggest blunder of the off season. Holmes thus far doesn’t seem to me, to be worth the money. He under performs and runs his mouth and if we hadn’t won two in a row, he would be even more of a nuisance. Plaxico, is not only getting old, he’s also rusty. While he may not lambaste the entire organization, on national television, he just gives a kind of “whatever” response, when asked about his lack of production. Almost like, yeah, I just need a paycheck. Jeremy Kerley I am growing to be a fan of, but one Jermey Kerley, does not an offense make. With that being said I think it’s pretty obvious the Jets need to address OLB, S and WR. next yea

  13. By GaryC on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Hank Bjorklund, Steve Harkey,Mike Taylor,Bob Burns,Gary Puetz,Mark Lomas,Wayne Stewart,Chris Farosoupolous,David Knight,Godwin Turk,WHERE IS THE LOVE.

  14. By wayne on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Here, here Tom64………………Think something must have happen tween he and Jets. All of a sudden he off air and we hear nothing from him……..Man was 50yd touchdown strike in waiting……………………………………CWGriswalk, much as I disagree with just about everything you say, I do respect a different point of view now and again……..Holmes was the better of the 2 WRs……..Dropoff after the dough with Edwards would have been precipitous. His heart isn’t in the game….He was playing for a contract last year…Why do you think no one will give him a big deal? Off what he’s done this year, he won’t get one next year either. Great tools, but like Rhodes, more interested in being a movie star than being a footballer

  15. By GaryC on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    jet fan tom, walker might have been more impactful in your words, but he was not as pure a receiver as Toon, Walker had his drops especially on the bombs and Toon never dropped the ball.If your talking best hands as receivers,maynard toon, sauer chrebet, shuler.

  16. By Jetsfan55 on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Did anyone mention JOE KLECKO

  17. By Ted on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Gastineau has to be in this Ring of Honor! This is crazy that he’s not in here yet! Wesley Walker should’ve gone in before Toon or it would’ve been nice if they had gone in together! But, #99 has to be in there, I don’t understand the Jets sometimes. Lots of people are scratching their heads over this.

  18. By Jet Fan Tom Since '64 on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Everyone can play better, Clarke, but the key image is Holmes not bothering to try to catch Lardarius Webb after he picked off the screen that he returned 73-yds for a TD. At that time a lot of folks, me included, were saying that it looked like the O had given up on Sanchez, Schotty, or both and maybe Rex too. You can’t expect a lot out of the receivers when the ball is regularly thrown too high, too low, too far ahead of or behind them, which is what MS has been doing since he got here. When I watch other NFL games, it’s almost like watching another league, even some of the lower-rated QBs throw more accurately than him. So I’d ease off Holmes and the others until our QB can put the ball where it needs to be ALL OF THE TIME!

  19. By Jet Fan Tom Since '64 on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    If I had to pick the next 4 Ring of Honor guys, I’d pick Walker, Rasmussen, Chrebet, and Snell.

  20. By russ on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    It was all Sonny Werbllin…no one else …..He made the Jets and was backstabbed by the little men who wanted to hold the line on spending…

  21. By Josh Kohler on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Wesley Walker, Mark Gastineau, Wayne Chrebet, and Dennis Byrd. Byrd deserves just because of his remarkable story!

  22. By wayne on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Rex, Chicago just let go of a second team All Pro Safety, want to see if he’s available on the cheap?……….Know you can’t outbid anyone…….Rex already gave that away when he said he couldn’t afford a measly bonus on Plax’s contract……..

  23. By GaryC on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    jet fan tom, there is never an excuse for not hustling, not with the money these guys make,holmes notwithstanding, remember when Ben Watson ran down I believe it was champ bailey of the broncos,and I believe the broncos did not score either.

  24. By Jet Fan Tom Since '64 on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    That’s a pretty obscure list, GaryC, but I admire you for putting it forward. As for impactual vs. pure vs. hands at WR, all I know is Walker did the job better and longer than anyone who ever wore the green and white, did it for a 20-yard avg even in yrs when he was hurt, and was the biggest game-changer we’ve ever had. He belongs in the Ring just for the MIA game and by the way, folks, I agree about Wismer and Werblin but the Ring should be for players only. wayne, I don’t know whether Rex is ready to admit that he was wrong about both Smith and Leonhard, that seems to be a problem of his, admitting it when he’s made a mistake. Which is another reason that I think his talk of being “man enough” for this and that is just so much hot air.

  25. By fred on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Talk about issues with the Jets how about Snell he has not been seen or heard from in decades. I would choose Chrebet, Walker, Fields over Mawae by a hair & unsung Kyle Cliffton

  26. By Ed in Tucson on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Why doesn’t Wahoo McDaniel get any love here?

  27. By jetfan1 on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    CHREBET , Gastineau , WALKER , and MO LEWIS! I also like others mentioned like Snell , Byrd or Mawae.

  28. By Tom Spicer on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Clakre, Yea lets ease up on Holmes when he quits on his team & does give 100%. LOL thats a good one.

  29. By Tom Spicer on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Tom 64, This is a little news flash for you buddy you dont own this site. We dont need your approval or permission to post & we dont care what you think. Your constant bashing of the QB is comical its almost like a big sign that says “I DONT KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT” hanging over each of your posts. The QB with the 5th most TDS in the NFL thru 7 games is not playing well YEA OK!

  30. By kw65fan on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    LOLOL…thats like scraping the bottom of the barrell Gary C. Bet you had to look up the all-time roster when you pulled those names out of a hat. Maybe add to your list Eddie Bell, Steve O’Neil (record 98 yard punt), Steve Thompson, Rocky Rochester, Wahoo McDaniel, Chris Ward, Richard Caster and of course Ken Schroy. Show us the Love for them ALL.

  31. By Tom Spicer on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Mark has more TDS than Big Ben, Eli, Schaub, Fitzpatrick, Hasselback, Romo, Cutler, Ryan, Vick, Cassel, Flacco, Freeman, Kolb, Rivers & Bradford just to name a few. Less picks than Brady, Rivers, Brees, Ryan, Vick, Cassel & Kolb just to name a few. He is rated higher than Rivers, Bradford, Cassel, Ryan, Kolb, Flacco & Freeman. Meanwhile only 7 out of 32 QBS have been sacked more than him. This time last year many on this site said Fitzpatrick, Ryan, Cassel, Cutler, Freeman & Bradford are better than him. Just wondering where are these comments now.

  32. By Tom Spicer on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    Mark has improved every year completion percentage 53.8 to 54.8 to 55.8 this year. yards 2,444 to 3,291 to 1,545 this year thru 7 games I am not allowed to make projections on this site so figure out the yardage yourself. TDS 15 to 20 to 14 thru 7 games this year again make a projection for the TD number this year for yourself. Picks 20 to 13 to 6 this year. Do you see a pattern yet? Rating 63 to 75 to 83 in every category he has improved every year & he has execled on the biggest stages every year. To win on the road in the playoffs 4 times in 2 years. To make it to back to back AFC title games. To have road wins in the playoffs vs Palmer, Rivers, Peyton & Brady To win on the road in the playoffs in back to back weeks vs Peyton & Brady is

  33. By Tom Spicer on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    unheard of. To say anything other then this kid has improved every year he has been on the team & that he is not playing well this year is WRONG! FInally Mark still has room for improvement he did not play alot of games in college & he came out of college early. He can & will get better next year & the year after that.

  34. By Jet Fan Tom Since '64 on Oct 27, 2011 | Reply

    I didn’t say I approved of what Holmes did, GaryC, what I meant was I understand completely why he did it. Ed, Wahoo was THE BEST back then, but I don’t know if he’s ROF material. Spicer, yesterday somebody said that me and Ira were the 2 most knowledgeable folks on this site and I completely discarded that comment and told him the level of posts is very high, so I don’t claim to own the site. But you must own stock in Sanchez to often not see or deny that, yeah, he “still has room for improvement.” You can keep mentioning stats, sometimes wrongly, often meaninglessly, and I’ll stick with the folks, including those ex-players who analyze the games, who have the same questions i do about MS re the question of resigning him at 5 yrs or not.

  35. By Jet Fan Tom Since '64 on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    And Spicer, who’s this “we” you speak for? I don’t see anyone else on the site with such a man-crush on Sanchez that they can’t honestly discuss his strengths and weaknesses. What I say about MS is that he’s not playing CONSISTENTLY well yet and anybody who’s watched the 1st halves of our games for at least the last 2 yrs knows that. I think old-school Mike Jet Vet would agree when I say I’m not up for paying MS another $50 mi in 2 yrs if by then he’s not really good and really consistent. All I’m doing is grading him week by week just like Rex and the coaches do. Sorry if I’m a little tougher on him and not so tough on the folks who make a few $ less than him, especially the ones who pay his salary by way of their season’s seats and PSL’s.

  36. By Jet Fan Tom Since '64 on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    One more thing, Spicer: Stop with the comparisons of Sanchez to other QBs, as if just because Rivers is having a rough 1st half (some folks think he’s hurt, watch his throwing motion, I noticed a game or 2 in it looked weirder than ever) he’s not a better QB. (I can only imagine where we’d have been the last 3 yrs with Rivers, our O weapons, and Rex’s D.) By that standard, fine, MS is better than Rivers but Cam Newton buries MS because on one of the worst teams in the NFL he’s often shown much more command of the game on several levels than MS has in all but his best games. All you can do is evaluate the guy you have at QB and how he’s doing in your scheme, not try to make him look better or worse with vague, mostly meaningless comparisons.

  37. By lenny kott on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    Steve Tannen, Phil Wise, Jerome Barkum, Richard Caster,George Sauer, Greg Buttle…Suzie Storm

  38. By Jet Fan Tom Since '64 on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    And more on comparisons, Spicer, yeah, the QB position isn’t called the most important position for nothing, and it doesn’t get all those #1 picks for nothing. In many cases, you can look at guys at other positions and compare their stats more clearly, especially when the difference in the numbers is glaring. With QBs, especially young QBs, it’s different given how much they have to learn and lead. That’s why despite Newton’s amazing start on a bad team, I wouldn’t say he’s a better QB than Sanchez or that he’d be better for the Jets right now. Nor would I say that some of the guys you mentioned are necessarily worse than MS based on their slow starts. I’ll judge MS by how he leads THIS team in yrs 1-5 and that clock’s still ticking.

  39. By Purpleflash on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, you have nailed it on the head about Mark Sanchez. This QB is improving every year. He doesn’t always have a great game, but has shown that quality that John Fox said last week (in discussing Tebow) a trait that does not show up in the personal stats that he called “competitive greatness. ” Mark Sanchez during his short career has shown 1) that he can win in the playoffs 2) perform his best on the biggest stage (he almost helped the Jets rally back in the AFC Championship game last year. 3) He has led 2nd half and fourth quarter comeback wins (like last week) and even when the game looked hopeless (Anybody else remember last year against the Texans?) . He will get better and better.

  40. By IRA on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    Loved Wahoo man that was a long time ago.
    Tom, Very good points about Sanchez. Hey if he never gets to be a 60 plus comp % passer thats fine with me as long as he takes us and gets over the hurdle and into the SB. Also throw in the fact that every year so far he has had to start the year with new WR’s and thats a lot to ask of a very young QB.Still the thing that makes him click is to have a very good running game.
    Oh btw they are 1 pick away from all of last years regular season total.

  41. By kw65fan on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    Geez Spicer…your stats are so wonderful. The percentage you forgot is the high quality that is involved between the ears. MS reminds me so much of Richard Todd…tough QB…battle anything….had okay stats, not great. But came a time more so than none of him throwing the most stupidest pass for an interception…being erratic with his throws..high..low…behind…but then made up for it with some good throws. that is called an average QB. No more…no less.

  42. By GaryC on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    kw65fan, just showing a little levity and facetiousness,did not have to check the roster, knew these guys and can give you their numbers on the spot,sometimes when you have looked at some rotten jet football over the years names and numbers are kind of engrained in the psyche. maybe like clifford mcclain,number 42 and Jazz Jackson number 43.

  43. By jetfan1 on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    Pat Leahy as well!

  44. By Clarke W. Griswald on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    I think when you watch Sam Bradford, he definitely “wows” you, with his arm strength and accuracy. Only problem is, he can’t seem to play a complete season. Mark has never AMAZED and I think that’s where the harsh criticisms come form. Mark is 11th in the league in attempts, which means he is obviously been asked to take on a much bigger role in the offense. While I don’t totally disagree with Tom64, all I can say to you is, Charlie Whitehurst, Tavares Jackson, Matt Moore, Tim Tebow, Luke McCown, Donovan McNabb, John Beck, Rex Grossman, Sam Bradford, Kyle Boller, A.J. Feeley. Things could be worse and look at Bradford, he had a great rookie season, then he gets a bad coordinator in Josh McDaniels and he’s only threw for 3 TD’s all season.

  45. By wayne on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    Someone mentioned it was time to get on board the wagon…..Not so fast…Not getting on any wagon the Rex jumps off soon as the conductor announces we’re arriving at the Pittsburgh or Baltimore stations…….Boy takes a beaten like GQ has so far this year, gonna give him a break…….JUST NO MORE PLAYER GIRL SPREADS PLEASE.

  46. By Clarke W. Griswald on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    Oh and when I said Sam Bradford wows you with arm strength and accuracy, I actually meant Stafford, little typo there. I always mess those two names up.

  47. By Jet Fan Tom Since '64 on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    Clarke, it’s too early to make any hard judgments about Bradford, especially as long as he’s on THAT lousy team. And hey Spicer, nothing against wayne but you might notice that I never call Sanchez “GQ” like some folks do. 60% pass completions, no, I don’t care so much about that, Ira. Scoring pts in the 1st halves of games and taking the lead on a regular basis so as to give the D a break, I care a lot about that. New WRs, yeah, that’s tough but some guys have it a lot worse in terms of new players or injuries. Running game, sure, but I don’t hear anybody here or elsewhere making excuses for Cassel because he lost Charles, the best young RB in the NFL. Just Say No to endless excuses for Sanchez or anyone else, including Rex and Schotty.

  48. By Clarke W. Griswald on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    I think when you look at that list of quarterbacks there, you can see it’s not easy to find a great quarterback in this league. Those were all the really BAD names I could find that, were, or are starting. Then there are plenty, who may not be worse then Mark, but aren’t any better: Joe Flacco, Josh Freeman, Alex Smith, Tony Romo, Colt McCoy, Matt Cassel, Kevin Kolb and Chad Henne. I think you could argue that none of these guys are any better or worse, then Sanchez. So out of both lists that I named combined, how many teams is that in the NFL? Most of them, I don’t feel like counting them, but it seems like, most teams have as bad, or worse situations at quarterback then the Jets.

  49. By GaryC on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    jet fan tom,you say you understand about holmes not giving full effort, and this is the guy we gave as one of the captains of the team,does not set great example.

  50. By Jet Fan Tom Since '64 on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Spice, did ya read Randy’s “Offense at the Bye” piece? Sanchez has 2 TDs in his last 53 1ST QUARTER DRIVES! That’s even more pathetic than I imagined! Without the huge NYC PR machine behind him and Rex covering for everything with his SB predictions even though he doesn’t have a clue of what to do on O, people would be calling for the head of a QB with those kinds of numbers! So yeah, get off my case about there being “room for improvement” with this guy, nobody’s going to any SB by playing that way early in the game. And by the way, Clarke, things could always be worse but most of those QBs that you list don’t have 5-yr/$50 mil contracts. When goods cost more but are worth less, that’s called inflation, in football or anywhere else.

  51. By Jet Fan Tom Since '64 on Oct 28, 2011 | Reply

    By the way, Sanchez worshippers, I was as critical as anybody when Revis held out. But he’s easily one of the greatest players in the game today and one of the greatest we’ve had in decades. What do you think he meant when he said before the season that more than anything else the future depended on Sanchez? He meant, in a more subdued way than Holmes meant what he said, that no matter how well the D plays it won’t mean much if the O doesn’t step up. And if you think that isn’t on the minds of other guys on the team, think again. No one gets to the SB much less wins it with a team that doesn’t score enough pts. Sanchez is on his way but there’s a word for people who make excuses for guys instead of demanding results and that word is LOSERS!

  52. By Jet Fan Tom Since '64 on Oct 29, 2011 | Reply

    GaryC, at my age I view pro athletes just as young guys, sometimes as children, and sometimes overpaid ones. Heck, I’m older than Rex and sometimes he sounds like a kid to me, shooting off his mouth without thinking. I don’t like what Holmes did but realistically I wouldn’t exactly throw him off the team for it, and I’d throw Schotty off the team first unless somebody proves to me that he’s being held back by Rex’s limited knowledge of O. And speaking of Rex, where’d he ever get the idea of GIVING a guy a captain’s role? It should be voted on by the players, that way you know that the guy who gets it earned it and any other guys who want it have to earn it the same way. Clarke, for a #5 and $50 mil, we have the right to expect a great QB.

  53. By lenny kott on Oct 29, 2011 | Reply

    2 tds in his last 53 1st qtr drives!!! at least it wasnt 2 first downs in his last 53 1st qtr drives because i think for a while this year we were on that pace–does anybody think it woud help MS and the jets offense if they tried the no huddle hurry up right from the beginning of games?? i say the less thinking MS has to do right now the better-can he throw the deep ball at all?do the jets even have the “bomb” in the playbook anymore? i know Plax cant run it and Tone may not feel like running that much how about Kerley on the fly? where have you gone Wesley Walker?Don Maynard? David Clowney?????we need a viable bona fide deep threat just for fun and i dont know stretch the field a little and open up the running game and short passing huh?

  54. By Clarke W. Griswald on Oct 29, 2011 | Reply

    Yeah Sanchez has a mega contract, but it’s not like he held out for it. If he had come out two years later, that contract would not be as exorbitant. It was just the circumastance at the time, if you went that high in the draft, that’s what you got paid. That was clearly a gaffe in the system, hence them fixing that situation in the new CBA. Was Sanchez worth a #5 overall pick, maybe not, but if the Jets didn’t take him there, someone else would have. We could’ve sat put and took Josh Freeman, for a little less money, but in the long run, I bet Sanchez develops into the more polished QB. I already like him more then Freeman(more INT’s then TD’s this season), although that’s up for debate. Cont.

  55. By Clarke W. Griswald on Oct 29, 2011 | Reply

    We weren’t going to pry Stafford away from the Lions, so what other choice was there in ’09? Either stay put and pick up a QB like Freeman, who is meh, or drag Brett Favre out of retirement. I’m personally happy we have Mark, maybe those other QB’s I named earlier don’t have huge contracts, but those teams are going to have a carousel of quarterbacks for years to come, that ***** and you know it. What about Stafford and his huge contract? at least Mark has played in 37 games for the Jets including playoffs, Matt Stafford has missed 20 games and counting, since he was drafted. They’re paying big bucks to watch Shaun Hill.

  56. By Clarke W. Griswald on Oct 29, 2011 | Reply

    You mention the Revis comment and how it was a, round about way of saying the O needs to step up, but I think there is more going on with this offense then Sanchez playing like trash. We’ve got a rookie receiver, an ancient and rusty one and an overpaid diva, not to mention the mal content Mason, the offensive line struggles, the poor play calling. I’m not a stats guy, but through all of that nonsense, through all of those head aches, he still has 12 TD’s and 6 INT’s. That’s not a terrible ratio, for a guy who is still, by all means, young. He has twice as many TD’s as interceptions. Oh and Tom ’64 and Wayne, this is nothing personal, just a little friendly banter, I think we all come with equally valid points, equal but opposite.

  57. By kw65fan on Oct 29, 2011 | Reply

    Can hear it now in 2012…like I said before in earlier posts…WE WANT MAC…WE WANT MAC….Its going to happen if things continue in their futile ways as the offense continues to sputter game after game…even though we have a new offensive coordinator next year. McElroy will step up more so in pre-season pushing Sanchez even more so and making him more erratic since he never has had that pressure on him since day one. And us loyal fans like we have always done in the past with every jet QB from Todd on…wanting to see the “new kid on the block” 2012…the year of Mac.

  58. By Cosmo on Oct 29, 2011 | Reply

    Ralph Baker, Al Atkinson, Dave Herman, John Schmidt, Johnny Sample, and Randy Beverly

  59. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 29, 2011 | Reply

    Sure, Clarke, it’s all up for debate about Sanchez at this pt, that’s why I say I’d either like to be sure next yr or ready to give Mc a shot at starting. But you gotta admit there’s a theme in your last 3 posts of REALLY stretching to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, like kw65fan says we’ve always done with every QB since Todd (really since Woodall after Joe). Ya tellin’ me MS is a hero merely for not holding out when rookie holdouts, especially for QBs (hello, JaMarcus Russell!) are, like, the dumbest thing ever? That ancient WR did okay last week and people gotta stop dumping on any of the WRs, especially Holmes, when only 2 games ago we couldn’t even snap the ball! Plus it’s MS, not Kerley, who looks like the rookie at times.

  60. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 29, 2011 | Reply

    And Clarke, Cimini reports that Sanchez is hitting an “ugly” 20% of his throws over 21+ and a “damning” 47% outside the numbers. I’ll cut MS some slack on those numbers re the lack of protection but they’re still pitiful. And when Cimini suggests accuracy and WRs not getting open re outside the numbers, I think it’s more about what he suggests isn’t the problem — arm strength which, back in 2008, was what I didn’t see enough of from MS on USC. He still needs work in that area. Anyone who thinks that Holmes, Plax, and Keller just somehow forgot in the last few weeks how to get open on passes of 21+ had better just pray that none of those guys ever go to a team with a consistently strong QB, as the results will be ugly for Jet fans indeed!

  61. By IRA on Oct 29, 2011 | Reply

    Some of you guys are just brutal was it comes to Sanchez. Hey the guy is still only in his 3rd year and Flacco and Ryan have both taken steps back this year. Sanchez except for Balt has played well and has shown he has a better feel of what is going on especially in the redzone where they are scoring at a 95.2% clip compared to last years 40%.
    As a long time Jets fan all i know i have seen it all. Namath,Chad, Vinny, O’Brien and guess what Sanchez has more playoff wins than any of them. No i am not saying he is better than Namath or any of them right now. All i care about is that the past two seasons have been two of the most fulfilling seasons that i have enjoyed since i started watching this team.
    GO JETS!!!!

  62. By Rags Morales on Oct 29, 2011 | Reply

    I like the suggestions of Johnny Sample and Randy Beverly. I also like the suggestions of Mo Lewis, Wayne Chrebet, and George Sauer. I want to throw the hat in the ring for Aaron Glenn too.

  63. By Rags Morales on Oct 29, 2011 | Reply

    Oooooo—-and Ritchie Anderson too!

  64. By derek on Oct 29, 2011 | Reply

    wesley walker is one of the great jets and should be there. wayne chrebet as well. mo lewis to.he played on a lot ofbad teams but he was a great jet

  65. By GaryC on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    this is for Ira, a guy who is not getting mentioned, what about James Hasty a guy who is one of the more underrated jets of all time for ring of honor.

  66. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    It’s true Rex and Sanchez have done things we haven’t done before, Ira. On the other hand, we’ve been to the AFC championship before and fallen short, so that’s not new. As long as I’ve been a Jet fan or almost as long, maybe since about 1970, there’s been a strong excuse-making tendency in the Jet mindset among much of the press and the fan base. Maybe it started when we lost the KC playoff, and maybe that’s why we haven’t even been to an SB in over 40 yrs. 3 yrs into Rex’s tenure, I see now that “changing the Jets culture” wouldn’t be just telling folks we’re great, it would be exercising the killer instinct on all levels to BE great. Rex has shown some of that as has Sanchez, just not enough yet, that’s why I’m still waiting to see more.

  67. By kw65fan on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Will you all stop it saying Sanchez has won 4 playoff games. He DID NOT win them all by himself. The TEAM…that is T-E-A-M for all those who can’t spell…won those games. The defense with their stellar play helped win those games. The Special Teams and their long returns helped win those games. Yes, they all helped in losing the AFC Championship game also. its called a team, and the team will win together. The New York Jets won 4 playoff games on the road the last two years…NOT Mark Sanchez.

  68. By Lucille Ball on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply


  69. By Clarke W. Griswald on Oct 30, 2011 | Reply

    Tom64, we’re all doing our jobs around here, i’m making the excuses and you’re bringing us back down to earth. You can’t get too high, or too low on a guy and i’m sure, somewhere in between the both of us, is the correct judgment.

    P.S. Fire Schottenheimer yesterday

  70. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    You see, Ira, it may be different for younger folks posting on this site, folks who may only be fans for 10 or 15 yrs, who never saw Namath or O’Brien play. They may not be able to even imagine a Jet QB better than, say, Vinny or Chad, may see Schotty as a perfectly acceptable if somewhat underachieving OC as opposed to an actor who plays one on TV, which is what he often looks like to me. They may think Rex is tough ’cause of the way he talks rather than the way he acts. But for someone who’s been rooting for this team since we had Dick Wood throwing off the wind-driven infield dirt at Shea on Saturday nights, it’s more like what the late Otis Young said to Jack Nicholson in THE LAST DETAIL — “I can’t take this (bleep)…inDEFINITELY!”

  71. By IRA on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Agree W. Walker needs to get in next year. Pitt took it to the Pats yesterday except both coaches made horrible decesions trying to kick FG’s over 40 yds into the closed end of Heinz Field. Its just doen’t happen. Read last year that opposing kickers FG % at that end of the stadium is under 63% and Pitt’s % isn’t that much better.
    Glad the Bills shut out the Redskins [if they had to win] maybe this will get the Jets attention better. They need to show they can win off a bye week under Rex. I wouldn’t have given them an entire week off.
    Imagine a Jets win and a Giants upset next week?

  72. By IRA on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Those Saturday Night Games were classics. Found the article about kicking at Heinz Field and as of last Dec all kickers at Heinz have a 60.1 % rate for FG’s 40-49 yds and i know its even lower at the closed end.
    Randy any info on the longest FG made at the closed end of Heinz?

  73. By Randy Lange on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t have that info, Ira, but we’ll research the heck out of it should the Jets return to Heinz sometime in the near future.

  74. By Clarke W. Griswald on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Tom 64, you should see how much love Tebow is still getting from the fans in Denver. Now those are some excuse making, delusional fans, rocking the rose colored glasses. Tebow is really, really, bad. There is a difference between being young and learning and looking like you don’t belong on a proffesional football field.

  75. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 31, 2011 | Reply

    Yup, Ira, there sure was something special about Saturday night Jet football at Shea, especially with more AFL and then NFL games to come on Sunday. But I’m still wondering where that backup C is. Clarke, I wouldn’t single you or anyone else out but football is NOT a game that you can win by making excuses for anybody on the team. As for Tebow, I have yet to see evidence that he’s pro QB material but they won’t give up on him too soon, either. Besides, I have my own problems, like worrying about what happens if we don’t win the next 2 games. PHI and the Giants later this yr won’t be easy, either, so if we lose these next 2 we’re in trouble. Agree on those other Jets for the Ring, Lucille (?) and Derek (where are the Dominoes?)

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