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Greene, LT Deliver a Decisive One-Two Punch to KC

Posted by Eric Allen on December 11, 2011 – 5:39 pm

The Jets literally ran away from the Kansas City Chiefs today, and backs Shonn Greene and LaDainian Tomlinson were in front of the charge.

This one was over early as the Green & White dominated in the first half and led, 28-3, at the break. Greene and Tomlinson combined for 190 total yards in the first 30 minutes, accounting for 75 percent of the Jets’ 253 yards. Greene ended up rushing for the second-highest regular-season output of his career in the 37-10 rout, going for 129 yards on 24 carries for a 5.4-yard average.

“Shonn and I talked about that before the game that as running backs, let’s be the guys to put the game on our back and make some plays for this game,” Tomlinson said. “We both did that, so it feels good to have that type of game.”

Ironically, the Jets, who outgained the Chiefs in the first half, 253-4, actually got off to a slow start as Mark Sanchez was forced to call a timeout before the first play from scrimmage. But Greene didn’t mind and raced for a season-long 31 yards on the game’s first play. That carry gave him a career high in rush yards as he eclipsed his 766 total from his sophomore campaign and the Jets were well on their way.

“I think it was important to start off the game fast, especially after taking that first timeout,” Greene said. “You don’t want to start out like that, so I think that helped us get over that hump.”

Sanchez, who became the first Jets QB to throw for two touchdowns and rush for a pair in the same contest, actually culminated the 11-play, 77-yard possession on a 1-yard keeper. It was his fourth rush TD on the season, a career-high, and it also marked the second consecutive week the Jets had scored on their first drive.

With a 7-3 lead late in the first, S Jim Leonhard intercepted a Tyler Palko pass at the Chiefs 38. After Sanchez had been sacked a pair of times earlier, the third-year QB used Greene to beat a first-down blitz. Greene caught a short ball along the KC sideline, got a nice block from LG Matt Slauson and tiptoed for 36 yards.

“It was executed very well. The line got out to block downfield,” Greene said. “I tried to score, but I couldn’t quite get there. We got a touchdown anyway.”

“Our screen game has really been good,” Tomlinson added. “It’s something our group really worked hard on in the offseason — training camp, we worked hard on it. That was a point of emphasis that we wanted to improve on and I think we’ve done that.”

Sanchez would cash in from the 4, hitting Santonio Holmes in the back of the end zone as the Jets went up, 14-3.

Later in the second stanza, Tomlinson set the table for Greene. Rookie Justin Houston, a Georgia product, had the terribly unfair assignment of sticking with LT out of the backfield on third-and-8 from the KC-44. The result was predictable as No. 21 got free over the middle with his wonderful route and sprinted for 31 yards.

“As long as he’s out there, he can still make plays,” Greene said of his backfield mate. “That’s why we have him here. I’m just grateful to have him because he makes some big plays out there.”

Greene fumbled the ball away to the Chiefs on the next play, but head coach Rex Ryan challenged that he was down on contact and won on the reversal. That set up Greene’s 7-yard scoring run and the “Money Zone” streak remained intact as the Jets moved past the goal line for a 10th consecutive time inside the opponents’ 20. Greene’s fourth rush TD in the past two games made it a 21-3 game.

“I was kind of angry, so I wanted to get in the end zone,” said Greene of the sequence.

Tomlinson, who has accomplished almost everything you can dream of individually, capped off the first half in style with his first home touchdown as a Jet. Sanchez, operating out of the ‘gun, surveyed the field and got another screen set up on the right side. Tomlinson got a couple of blocks from his linemen and then made CB Travis Daniels look silly before getting in from 19 yards out.

“It was a good feeling,” Tomlinson said. “As I got closer to the end zone, I could kind of smell it. I was just thinking, ‘Please, nobody grab me. Please, nobody grab me.’ ”

The Chiefs had no answers for the backfield tandem in the first half as Green amassed 125 yards (12 carries for 67 yards, three receptions for 58) and Tomlinson 65 (7-for-15, 2-for-50) in the first half while the Chiefs had 4 yards of offense total. Greene reached triple digits in rush yards for the second time this season on a 4-yard carry in the final stanza.

“He’s a beast,” Tomlinson said. “He carried the load, he wore guys down and he had some big runs. That’s the way a Pro Bowl running back runs.”

While the outcome was decided before the second half, Sanchez tacked on another rushing TD in the third quarter. That was No. 5 for No. 6 this season and the Jets made it 12-for-their-last-12 inside the 20.

“That’s pretty decent,” Green said of his quarterback. “That guy has a knack for the end zone whether it’s throwing or running. He’s going to get there.”

The 8-5 Jets equaled their season high with their third consecutive win and moved to 6-1 at MetLife Stadium. They remain very much in the playoff hunt and they figure to be a tough out in December and possibly January if Greene and Tomlinson can stay hot.

“We want to play our best football at this time,” Tomlinson said. “We understand what’s at stake, so we’re just going to keep on battling.”

“We were just clicking. We just had a rhythm,” Greene said of the offense. “When this team has a rhythm, we can be unstoppable.”

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99 Responses to “Greene, LT Deliver a Decisive One-Two Punch to KC”

  1. By Karan on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    Thank you Mark Sanchez, thank you Tom Moore, thank you O-line and thank you Shonn Greene.

  2. By Karan on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    I love the presence of Tom Moore, our offense has scored in the 30s the last two games he’s been here.

  3. By Karan on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    I hope Jim Leonhard is okay, it certainly didn’t look that way on TV. That’s unfortunate, you never want to lose a guy like that for the season, especially when he had a similar injury last year. Hope he recovers soon, it might be a high-ankle sprain or perhaps a broken ankle, hope it’s neither.

  4. By Tom Spicer on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    I heard Jim Leonhard is out for the year.

  5. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    While I won’t get overly excited about beating a KC team minus Charles, Cassel, and Berry, that IS the way to beat the bad teams, in a blowout. Like I said on the story before (just in case Spicer doesn’t see it), probably Sanchez’s best game of the yr. I also notice Greene doesn’t seem to have any problems getting 5 per carry when the OL opens a few holes and he looks pretty fast on these screens that Moore must be suggesting, since Schotty hasn’t called many RB screens since Leon. Now it gets tough: A PHI team that’s better than its record, a game that the Giants need to win as badly as us, and the always-tough (for us) Fish at home. We got a major break with HOU today (CIN pass int flag gave Texans the game), so we still gotta win out.

  6. By GaryC on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    now there are no excuses, as all the IFS HAVE TURNED INTO ITS,AS IN IT ALL HAPPENED CORRECTLY FOR JETS.now that they are sitting in the catbird seat let’s see if they really want the playoffs and can get the job done.

  7. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    Daily News is the place that’s reporting that Leonhard is out for the year, and there’s also a story with quotes from Revis saying that he heard the same thing on the sideline. Not good for either Leonhard next year or the team for the rest of this year. In my view there’s no such thing as a silver lining when a player gets hurt, but it’s probably worth mentioning that if this doesn’t move the Jets to pick a S #1 in 2012 and then maybe pick another S in the later rounds, nothing will (especially since this is the last yr of Leonhard’s contract). Arte keeps telling me Tracy Wilson was a beast in college and his tape does look good, so we may find out very soon what he’s got as far as the pro game.

  8. By PIEMAN on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply


  9. By Christopher on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    It’s win and in now, win out and we lock in the 6th seed. It’s unfortunate because if we won just 1 of those NE games we would be tied for the division. Then add in the Denver and Oakland game, and we could be looking at a 1st round bye, but we finally looked like the team I expected to see.

  10. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    “At the time, we’re up 25. I just thought if we get the first down, it’s basically over.” — Will somebody explain to me what’s going on in Rex’s head to say a thing like this re keeping Sanchez in on 4th and 4 in the 4th qtr? Rex thinks Palko’s gonna put up 4 TDs in the 4th? Forget my take on Rex as a HC, this makes me wonder about his grip on reality! And in a yr in which there have been so many injuries already. Similarly, I notice Kerley returned at least 1 punt even before Leonhard got hurt. Did someone with more of a grip on his emotions, like maybe Westhoff (that’s a joke), tell Rex you can’t go nuts on rookies you’re grooming for a regular role over a few fumbles? YOU guys tell ME if this sounds like a HC who’s thinking straight!

  11. By TONY GARCIA on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    Jet fan since 1969 one game at a time.Team effort were in a good position the rest of our games can be won.

  12. By 38 year fan on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    Please God , I hope we didn’t just lose Leonhard .. We really, really need him coming up soon .

  13. By 38 year fan on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    We are gearing up for another stab at it boys …..

  14. By 38 year fan on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    Karan, … I think he was holding his knee ?

  15. By murdermuff on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    love these jets…Sanchize showing up with the rest of the crew! if they can perform this way every game here on out no reason they cant be the same old jets making it back to AFC champ

  16. By Tom Spicer on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    Mark is the 1st Jet player ever to throw for 2 TDS & rush for 2 TDS in a game.

  17. By Tom Spicer on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    Only 2 guys have rushed for 2 TDS & thrown for 2 TDS in the same game game this year. There names are Rodgers & Sanchez.

  18. By cgb on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    rest, game plan for philly, find a safety on the roster or practice squad somewhere and we need someone to call the plays for the back end. how about revis,step up man. I still think they should use Mcnight in some defensive packages. We need more speed on defense this week.

  19. By dougmc on Dec 11, 2011 | Reply

    Keep winning…Next 3 games the opponents are much tougher though. Win these games and will be going into playoffs strong. Safety position will need to step up. Do what you do, Mark Sanchez…Nice running game and nice D.
    Keep it up…JETS—JETS—JETS…!!!

  20. By Tom Spicer on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Christopher, You are so right I was also thinking if we beat Denver & Oakland we would be looking at a first round bye & maybe home field advantage.

  21. By Karan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I think your right, the knee. Well, it’s officially a torn MCL, poor guy, hope he recovers soon but I would not be surprised if he’s not in a Jets uniform next season :/.

  22. By Tom Spicer on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    The only thing I did not like was when they were up they just stopped passing & got conservative. I say keep throwing the ball & work on new plays. The more throws the better the experience can only help the QB. Do you think the Pats would stop throwing HELL NO they would run up the score.

  23. By 38 year fan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I am Licking my chops at a chance to get revenge at the patriots ….

  24. By punchie on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Let this game be a lesson to REX ,shout and carry on at the reffs and they will penalise us all the way to the end zone. So REX try and keep that same cool look of composure every week that you displayed today and remember without the officials there would be no game. so pick the right time like in between quaters to have a quiet word with the officials as our secondary has looked like KC`s

  25. By wayne on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Don’t go getting giddy boys. Best that came out of this game was W. Hope that they can carry over some confidence from this one that will lead to better execution when competition gets stiffer………………………………By the way, #15 is still at it………………………………………………..TIM……………………………………………..TEBOW…..This kid is going to be a great NFL QB. What do the expert know anyway.

  26. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    One thing I don’t hear people talking about enough is how despite several injuries, Greene is getting better as the season goes along and that’s not because he was rested at the start of the yr like his 1st 2 yrs. Seems pretty clear one of his big problems wasn’t his problem at all but the OL’s, since it didn’t open a hole big enough for Bruce Harper to squeeze through until about 2 wks ago. I think it’s safe to say that with SG and McKnight as the base and LT possibly retiring, we need to see more of what Conner and Powell can do and draft a RB. I’d say that makes the draft order S, OL, WR, RB, LB, S, DL, OL and a toss-up after that depending on how many picks we get, which I hope is a lot. Also hope Conley and Folk are okay for a few yrs.

  27. By IRA on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Randy, On that drive in the 3rd qt that when Sanchez made it 35 -3 with getting 70 plus yds in penalties that has to be a record in amount of yds off of penalties on one drive?
    Great all around game against a bad offensive team. Very happy to see them use the RB’s the way they did yesterday in the passing game. And they will need to continue to pound the ball to keep Vick and Manning off the field these next two games.
    This is by no means a shot at Schotty who called a wonderful game but yesterday maybe T Moore had an influence.
    Another safetey amazing!
    GO JETS!!!!

  28. By IRA on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Greene’s play the past two weeks reminds me of how he played down the stretch and the playoffs in 09. We need him to continue to play this way. And he has really improved catching the ball since his rookie year.
    Really bad that Leonhard got hurt. You have to feel for the guy after making it back from last years bad injury.
    Wish Jim the best for a speedy recovery.
    The Jets are going to have to sign a safety today or tomorrow. They could have really used Lowery right now.

  29. By joe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    good win… but loosing Leonhard is a HUGE HUGE HUGE loss for us… smith and pool better step it up, cause were in trouble!

  30. By Chicago Bob on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Watching Sanchez, there is talent as he has his moments – goes back to good coaching – was hoping Schotty was offered a major college job. Just shows you how far his stock has dropped – UCLA goes out and hires Jim Mora for their head coaching position. A college head coaching position as a start would be perfect for Schotty if he has any thoughts of becoming an NFL head coach. Losing Leonhard is going to be huge however it is part of the game and all things considered, they are relatively healthy. If the Jets are going to be players in free agency, one thing is for sure – Mike T. has got to start playing a little harder with salaries – I see where Sanchez is scheduled to make $14 mil in 2012 – c’mon Mike, get realistic, we need every dollar

  31. By Frank on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Probably the most complete game of the season especially the first half. Greene and LT were tremendous and only reaffirms that Sanchez is at his best when he does not have to shoulder the load. Greene and LT should have been given the opportunity to rush for those 2 TD’s that Sanchez did…I don’t like those calls they were unnecessary in risking injury to Sanchez and unfair to Greene and LT.
    The next three games will define the season Philly pounded a revitalized Dolphins team let’s see which Jets team shows up next week. Going to and winning in Philly is going to be a true test. I hate this match up since speed is the Eagles game and we don’t match up well with them. We must pound the ball and control the clock next week.

  32. By Frank on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Pouha is having a pro bowl season and Dixon is the second best lineman on the team he is always making plays. Conolly is a disaster letting Weatherford go was a huge mistake and may come back to haunt us if we make the playoffs. Speaking of which we control our own destiny now…so Rex please shut up and take one game at a time.

  33. By Kevin65Fan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Tom 64…be logical about it…He left him in the game so sombody (almost) would rip his head off…be out for the year and have that excuse for not making playoffs…and then when he is not ready put in his own QB McElroy and the new era begins with a new OC. Just my Bizzaro world take on it….

    Keep those stats coming Spicer…

  34. By Frank on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    BTW losing Leonhard is not good contrary to 64’s notions he is our best safety and runs the defense making sure everyone in front is properly aligned. It was no coincidence we got blown out by the Pats last year when he went down. I blasted Rex last week for giving up on Kerley I said he was over reacting and guess what Kerley was great after Leonhard went down. Rex is supposed to be a players coach and stand up guy after promising Leonhard’s wife he wouldn’t return punts again Rex sticks him in there anyway. Rex is rapidly losing my respect as he is always talking out of both sides of his mouth.

  35. By Tom Spicer on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Wayne, The Broncos are winning cause of a great D & a great running game Tebow has done nothing special.

  36. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    That would be funny, Kevin, if what Rex did on 4th and 4 wasn’t so totally weird. Frank, saying Leonhard is our best S says little since we have 2 of the worst starting S’s in the NFL but he’s just not enough on any level, including staying healthy. And you’re right about the Eagles and speed which goes for the Giants too now that Cruz is already one of the best young WRs in the NFL. Ira, nice to see you mention the pointless move of letting Lowery go. If it turns out that we lost to OAK and BAL ’cause we had no backup for Mangold and we lose any of these last 3 games (who’s covering Celek?) ’cause we have no backup for Leonhard, I think you’ll hear a few more calls to let Mr. T go. There’s really no excuse for being unprepared like this.

  37. By Jersey Rich on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    My definition of a “Good Game” is when the score stays close (see Giants/Cowboys) but… It sure felt good to have the game put away by half time!! Tough couple of weeks ahead especially without Leonhard but IT CAN BE DONE! Go JETS!!

  38. By Allan O'Dane on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    These games are the ones we should win, not by 3 points either. Rex leaving sanchez in on that 4th and 4 was not to bright. Jets defense played great. BUT I would like to see them step on someones throat when they are down and don’t allow them to get a garbage TD. If you want to play the bully be the bully. (Ravens). Leonhard going down is going to hurt but this is when Pool has to show that he can step up. He should stop going for the big shots and tackle. Our running game is picking up steam great for this december run, Sanchez is not turning the ball over. This is the formula: Play lights out D + Sanchez goes for 17/23 2TD 0 INTs + 175 yds rushing = WIN. GO JETS!

  39. By Frank on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Spicer you lose all credibility as if you had any…when you make idiotic statements like “Tebow has done nothing special” Randy should give you a two day suspension from this site!!!!!!!!!
    I have been saying it all season Rex is desperately trying to prop up and pad Sanchez’s stats proof yesterday was having him throw late in the 4th qtr on 4th down and in doing so almost got Sanchez killed just like he did in the Jags game. There is no excuse to run Sanchez on first and goal inside the 5 like he did yesterday. What is becoming abundantly clear is Rex continuing to meddle with all aspects of the team and its evident in the inconsistancies this team shows on a weekly basis.

  40. By Allan O'Dane on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Spicer, I agree with you. Denver should of lost that game against us..they should of lost to the bears if not for Marion Barber’s mental gaffe!. Broncos are playing good defense and the running game is one the best if not the best in the NFL. I like Tebow don’t get me wrong but they got lucky yesterday.

  41. By IRA on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Frank, Agree like wrote earlier they must keep Vick and manning off the field. If they continue to run the ball the way they did yesterday we will be talking about playoff football. Greene once again played his best all around game as a Jet yesterday to date.
    GO JETS!!!!

  42. By scjoe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    64, you are right on two counts,1-The game should have been a blowout based on who they played and who they had on their injury list. 2-They do need to draft a safety high, just not in the first round, that has to be either a RT, a dynamic RB (if available) and ditto an WR. Now that both the Jets and Giants are in a position to control their own destiny it will make their game that much more important, but please don’t overlook Philly coming up this week.

  43. By Karan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I was thinking the same thing IRA! I wish they never released Lowery, he would have filled in this great void.

  44. By Karan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Tom, Tebow is very special, do not doubt the guy.

  45. By 10and6Jets on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    McKnight on defensive packages sounds like a good idea. Everyone who thinks losing Lowery will hurt us, please remember to last year after Leonhard went down and the kid couldn’t tackle to save his life. Still remember Forte dragging him 10 yards into the EZ. Also, in the playoffs it was not Lowery and Pool, but Smith and Pool who played so excellent. This again is why I remain confident in our defensive backfield. First, because we scrambled to react to the injury last year, but now we know exactly how to handle it and have a backup plan. Second, because Pool and Smith stepped up so big last year and will have confidence they can do it again. Also, Rex “talking out both sides of his mouth”=dealing effectively with the NY media.

  46. By Tom Spicer on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Kevin65Fan, Yea he left his QB in so he could get hurt & have an excuse for not making the playoffs that makes sense.

  47. By Tom Spicer on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Kevin65Fan, Here are some stats for you. Mark Has 26 TDS in 13 games 21 passing & 5 rushing. Do bad QBS have 26 TDS in 13 games? answer NO. Do bad QBS have 30 TDS in year year? answer NO!

  48. By harry-o on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    jets are on the guest list
    now, stay on it till you get the invitation to the dance.
    KC was a good tune up game for the next two
    Eagles looked good and G-men can put up points
    jets D will win these games by keeping Vick and Eli off the field
    contain vick, and get in eli’s face
    youz guyz can do this ! FAUGEDDABOUDDIT go jets !

  49. By Jimmer on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    64 Tom, forget Powell. No way is he back next year. We’re not gonna take another RB next year either. The big three are a S that can cover a TE, a LB that can cover a TE, and a RT. Hunter just watched a guy go past him without trying yesterday. I do agree about maybe taking a second S as well. We don’t have enough diversity on defense yet. When a team goes hurry up, we’re stuck in 1 defense. If a LB or a S can do multiple things, we’ll have a better chance. the DL is getting better as the year goes on. If we do go there, it means somebody slipped big time. I also see a TE before a WR. Keller was off the field on a lot of those running plays. But everytime I see Mulligan or Vlad on the field, I hold my breath.

  50. By Jimmer on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Nobody has mentioned the obvious. 2 weeks now Tom Moore is in the booth. 2 weeks now we score a td on the opening drive. Maybe it’s not Sanchez starting off slow after all.
    Moore was brought in specifically for red zone offense. We have been hot there all year, but devastating the past 2 weeks. We are the best red zone offense in the NFL. That is an amazing change from past years. The only difference is Moore. He’s not calling the plays, but it sure looks like he is.

  51. By Ed in Tucson on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Thomas Who?

  52. By joe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Nice win against a POOR TEAM (lets all keep it in perspective )and try to run the table .I see the Giants won last night so that game looks like a MUST for both teams

  53. By GaryC on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    It is a joke how the media keeps talking up Cam Newton and is always deriding Tebow, cam newton just keeps turning the ball over but the media always talks about him and his rushing touchdowns, down playing his ints.At least I know when tebow is praying he means it and not like a lot of these phonies who all meet at midfield to pray then their toting a firearm the next day.

  54. By joe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Lol iam still TRYING to get SPICER to answer my question as to how the Colts could only lose 1 player from last years team and win approx 12 games less .That player they lost must be vert special.Tom Spicer wh-how can the above be so IDENTICAL TEAM MINUS 1

  55. By Karan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    I agree Jimmer, Moore has a significant impact, the problem is obviously Schotty, no way is it Sanchez.

  56. By joe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Spicer and his worthless stats at it again .Spicer since you stuck SANCHEZS STATS UP THERE why dont you include BRADY ROGERS ROTHESBURGER AND BREES FOR THE EXACT SAME TIME PERIODS .Like qbs ratings yards =EVERYTHING .iF YOU DO THE ABOVE WE CAN COMPARE

  57. By joe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply


  58. By joe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Spicer here are some stats to compare Sanchez to AARON ROGERS has 39 TOUCHDOWN THIS YEAR .(thats just throwing the ball i didnt even look up his rushing tdS )In your post you pointed OUT Sanchez had 26 TD and were quoted as saying Do BAD QB HAVE 26TS IN 13 GAMES .When hes compared to the ELITE ONES quite a difference same number of games 13 plus tds difference

  59. By GaryC on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    jet fan tom, Tracy Wilson a beast, he wasn’t even drafted; I am sure the NFL would have found room for him in a seven round draft if he was a beast.

  60. By joe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Rogers qb rating was 123 Sanchez 83 (lower half nfl)thru the same number of games

  61. By joe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Tebow (much like us)is winning games against less than stellar teams .It will be very interesting to see what happens when they meet up with BALT or Pitts .In part what happens if they get down by more than 7 and has to throw.The guy has won games but not against the NFLS ELITE TEAMS.

  62. By joe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    PS besides ourselves (who havent won against anyone with a winning record )Tebow beat Oakland thats it.As evidenced by the Raiders play yest against GB that isnt saying much

  63. By Tom Spicer on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Joe, Do you know how to read? I gave you a answer to that question in a earlier post when you said the Colts wrer 13 & 3 last year & I said no they are not I said they were 9 & 7. I said they went from a 9 & 7 okay team. To a team that lost there best player & maybe the best QB ever. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

  64. By Tom Spicer on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Joe, 1 There are 6 active QBS who have won a Super Bowl & 4 of those 6 only won it 1 time. So according to you there are only 6 good QBS in the NFL. 2 I cant give you Marks numbers in the Super Bowl cause he never played in one. Along with Rivers, Romo, Ryan & a host of other great QBS. 3 I never said Mark was a elite QB & you only want to compare him to the elite ones compare him to everyone & then come talk to me . 4 I will compare Marks 3rd year numbers to the numbers of ANY QB in the NFL & lets see if they are comparable THAN WE ARE TALKING!

  65. By Tom Spicer on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    Joe, Rodgers 39 TDS, Brady 33, Brees 32 & Stafford 29 these are the QBS that have more TDS than Mark. THATS IT! How about those numbers!

  66. By joe on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    If you think about it MEDIAS PRIORITYS really screwed up.Green Bays looks ready to become one of the greatest teams in NFL HISTORY and their storys secondary as EVERYTHING IS TEBOW THIS TEBOW THAT.Tebow will go away like the wildcat.I mean hes a nice story and all that but let him play a few really good teams (D CORD figure him out )and lose ELWAYS (Elways being pacifyed by a PAPER TIGER )NO IDIOT he start looking again

  67. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    GaryC, take up Tracy Wilson with Arte, he’s the one who said TW’s a beast and I told him he’s getting delusional. Spicer, it looks like Jimmer’s sarcasm about Rex trying to get Sanchez hurt went right past you like your talk about MS’s running TDs goes past me. I don’t want my QB running at the goal line or anywhere else at a time when half the guys on D seem to be 300 lbs. Jimmer, I’ll even it up for Arte, he’s been raving about Moore all yr and I agree and by the way, if Moore WAS calling the plays, no way Rex would ever tell us — at least not until the day after Schotty was fired. As for RB and S, we need as much help at S as we can get and right now Greene is our only proven, consistent RB, so a high pick there wouldn’t surprise me.

  68. By Kevin65Fan on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    And do good QB’s throw ill advised interceptions and killing drives….Does good QB’s fumble the ball a lot like ours….And do good Qb’s throw pick sixes at an alarmimg rate this year lik Sanchize…These are pretty good stas you forgot Spicer….

  69. By Jimmer on Dec 12, 2011 | Reply

    joe, I’ve seen spicer post here for a very long time. I’m pretty sure he’s a tried and true Jets fan. There really is no need to question one’s beliefs. He’s posting some very obvious facts. He never said Sanchez is as good as Rodgers. Nobody is saying Tebow is better than Elway either. But getting the job done is what really counts. And Sanchez and Tebow are both getting the job done in money time. Sanchez can light it up when it needs to be lit up.
    I prefer someone that can manage it until it needs to be lit up. Those high flying offenses don’t always win the big games. They only win when they’re not stopped.

  70. By scjoe on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Can you guys please stop with the Rodgers, Brady, Brees, and Big Ben comparisons to Sanchez? There simply is no comparison, we all know that, so lets put it to rest. No one has been harder on the guy then I have, but it is what it is and I don’t see any changes on the horizon for at least another year. THEN? Watch out!

  71. By STAYLOADED on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    The Jets have a tough road ahead of them, Vick is back watch out for him remember Tebow,Eli always plays good with his great receivers. And the Dolphins are just going to bust chops. The Jets have to play lights out from start to finish.
    Points,Points and more Points don’t stop. Big D has to stop everything 3 and outs
    Maybin to Pressure Vick and be his shadow. THE WORD FOR THIS WEEKEND IS “PAIN” SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL.

  72. By Tom Spicer on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Joe, I saw something on ESPN last night you want to compare Mark to Rodgers, Brady & Brees. Well ESPN said all 3 of them are on a pace to break Dan Marino’s record for the most passing yards in the history of the NFL. Is it really fair to compare him to those 3? If you think it is then lets compare every QB who has ever played the game to them & I think it is safe to say EVER SINGLE QB IN THE WORLD WILL LOOK BAD. FYI this is what I call the internet smack down & you are getting it!

  73. By Tom Spicer on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Frank, Tim Tebow is completing 48% of his passes & he has thrown for more than 200 yards 2 times in 2 years. If Mark completed 48& of his passes he would be out of the NFL right now. The Broncos have the #1 running game in the NFL & since Tebow took over there D has been playing lights out. The Broncos have beat the Dolphins, Chiefs, Vikings, Bears (without there best 2 players Cutler & Forte), Chargers (who have fallen apart), Raiders (they are not the same team without McFadden) & the Jets so to me they have 1 quality win. Let see how they do this week vs the Pats then we will talk.

  74. By Tom Spicer on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Kevin65Fan, Compared to other QBS Mark does not have alot of picks. Big Ben, Rivers, Fitzpatrick, Newton, Stafford, Palmer, Eli, Ryan, Vick, Brady, Brees, McCoy, Ponder, Jackson, Dalton, Grossman & Freeman all have more.

  75. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    That’s the irony, though, Spicer, Sanchez’s picks have almost always been killers, as have his fumbles, which is why he leads the league in turnovers for TDs. As we’ve all been saying since his opening game against HOU, if he can stop turning the ball over disastrously, he’s got a much better chance of ever becoming “elite.” One thing elite QBs don’t do is turn the ball over for scores. Or as I heard a frustrated Redskins fan say during the game on Sunday, “The thing is about Brady is, he’ll never, ever LOSE the game for you.”

  76. By joe on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Guys the reason i brought up and compared Sanchez to ROGERS BREES ROTHESBURGE and BRADY (stats ect )was to set a bar. IF we ever have a shot at winning the SUPERBOWL history dictates Sanchez must play at their level For weeks now i have been trying to get it thru Spicer head THAT in todays NFL to win the Superbowl ground and pound aint going to do it =YOU NEED AN ELITE QB.THAT SPREADS THE FIELD OUT.

  77. By joe on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Spicer interceptions and all please tell us why Aaron Rogers qb rating AVERAGES 40 POINTS HIGHER THAN SANCHEZ.

  78. By joe on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Ps Tom you cant compare stats BETWEEN MARINO who played 20 years ago )WITH Sanchez .You see Tom you have to compare Sanchez with his CONTEMPORYS TODAY .Earth to Tom the games is completely different today =ITS HAS EVOLVED INTO PASSING GAME Years ago teams had to est the run to throw (86 Giants )NO MORE TOM.Today IF YOU HAVE GOT THE RIGHT QB (and we dont )you can throw the ball all over the field with impunity Tom REX has to groung and POUND BECAUSE OF SANCHEZS LIMITATIONS.-IF we had Brady or ROGERS we would be in the Superbowl.

  79. By Tom Spicer on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Joe, What I said or meant to say & did not express it the right way is this. If you compare Mark’s numbers this year. To the 3rd year in the league of any QB in the NFL they will compare favorably. When I say that I mean Eli, Brady, Big Ben, Romo, Cutler, Palmer, Vick & Flacco take there numbers for there 3rd year in the NFL & his numbers are right there. Is he elite no but he is on pace with other good to great QBS in todays game.

  80. By scjoe on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Joe, I can relate to your thought process, but I don’t necessarily agree that you need an “elite” QB to win it all. If you know my history you know that I am not a huge supporter of MS, but, for the past two seasons we had that SB invitation right in our grasp without that “elite” QB. Both championship games could have gone either way with a play made here or there. I will agree MS was partially at fault, but there were others at fault as well. Bottom line? This team had their chances to get it done despite how the QB played.

  81. By Ed in Tucson on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    To beat the Eagles we need 4 drives like Sunday’s opening drive, 9+ minutes of pounding the rock with an occasional pass to back their D up. Ideally, I’d like to see 60-40, even 70-30, run to pass ratio, keep the clock running while we pile up the yards. Our O line is hitting its stride & should be able to open up the running lanes. Above all, I hope they don’t get ridiculous & use the endgame to practice completing long passes, putting the ball up for grabs & stopping the clock for the opposition. I couldn’t believe that somebody actually posted that, thinking that it would be a good idea; maybe he was trying to be funny & it went over my head.

  82. By joe on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    But SC JOE even if we did get to the BIG GAME last year we still had to beat GB .Joe the problem today (and Brian Billack said it all too well )is football is a track meet .Absolutely NO DEFENCE out there can stop GB Or NO if there on (there a reason GB has only lost how many times the past 2 years ).To win the Superbowl you basically have to HOPE to keep them to 30 and score 31.Look what they did to Pitts (and Pittsburgh ds better than ours )Rogers spread them out and scored up and down the field

  83. By joe on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    My business partner was an all american at NEBRASKA 1990s)s)and played for the Giants for years.HE tells me all the time with a BRADY ,Bress ect running the show it FATIGUES the defence so much faster than when you got a running team in there .Your spread out in space chasing the passer(NO HUDDLE which limits supstitutions ) or recievers defending every inch of the field.By the 4th quarter its a scoring blitz because even the best conditioned Dis tired .

  84. By joe on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    lol IF YOU COULD WIN IT WITHOUT BEING ELITE (Brady 3 rings Rothesburger 2 Rings EManning 1 Ring P Manning1 Ring Rogers 1 Ring and counting Brees 1 Ring )how come over the last decade the following pro bowl qbs have accounted for 9 rings.Basically no team without an elite one has won it

  85. By joe on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Ps this weekend we got a classic 70-80 running team (ground and pound)with a great Defence facing an elite qb with a bad defence Denver verses NE .If Mr Tebow gets behind by more than 14 points (AND WE JET FANS KNOW HOW QUICK BRADY CAN GET 14 )it will be interesting to see what happens if Denver has to score in 2 minutes instead of 9 Personally I THINK TEBOW MANIA will get a quick dose of reality and ELWAY will now have an excuse to find a real qb.

  86. By Danny on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Sanchez has over 30 wins in 3 seasons. Only 5 other QB’s in NFL history have done that. Stop ripping the kid and let him keep developing. Twice he took us a game away from the SB as a 22yr old kid. Yes we can win a SB with him if the rest of the team can take there play to a higher level. I truly feel with Tom Moore he will be a much better QB. The last 2 weeks it def seems that way. I have said this before and I”ll say it again ” Shotty hurts his development more then helps it”

  87. By joe on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Tom (Spicer ) your too funny .In the Jim Leonard thread SPICER replies i hate when you guys say REX HAS GUARANTEED A SUPER BOWL HE HAS NOT EVER.(Everyone but Spicer KNOWS he has a million times ).I google REX RYAN GUARANTEES JETS A SUPERBOWL WIN on YOUTUBE .You tube has approx 10 different instances with REX GUARANTING US A WIN LAST YEAR THIS YEAR ECT BRAGGING THE ENTIRE TIMES about having the best team in football .Its alL on tape SPICE said never happened

  88. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    The problem with that game plan, Ed, is it’s not 1964 anymore. QBs like Vick, especially armed with the weapons he has, can take their team to a TD in 30 seconds, making a 9-minute drive by us for a TD look almost stupid. Yes, it’s nice to keep the ball out of the hands of explosive opponents’s O’s but you also have to be able to strike fast yourself, which this yr we haven’t been that good at. That’s why Rex was willing to “air it out” more early this yr, he knows as well as anyone else that “ground and pound” no longer wins SBs. But since he didn’t bother to get a backup C, the coverage wasn’t there for Sanchez to throw more, plus the jury is still out on whether MS can do that very well. Best way to beat PHI? Just score a lot of pts.

  89. By joe on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Jet Fan Since 64 Tom 100% correct Tom LOL I THINK THE NY GIANTS WILL ATTEST TO EVERY WORD YOU JUST WROTE.They left Rogers with 58 seconds BAD MISTAKE.TODAY if your offence does not have the ability to avg 30 points a game you got no shot at the Superbowl.TEAMS try to maximize the personal they have .They ball control because they dont have the personal (AT QB )to spread the field like a NO or GB (they dont want TURN OVERS .)Tebow (who hasnt beat a great time is the master at ball control )BUT IF TEBOW HAD THE ABILITY TO THROW IT LIKE BRESS OR BRADY he would What happens when Denver getS down by more than 10 points in a game THEIR DONE.GB CAN GET DOWN BY 14 AND ONE QUARTER LATER THEIR WINNING.

  90. By joe on Dec 13, 2011 | Reply

    Jet Fan SINCE 64 TOM LOL we won SUNDAY mainly because KC offence is TERRIBLE.These guys dont understand one fundamental of ball control is IT ONLY WORKS IF YOU HAVE A SHUT DOWN DEFENCE (86 GIANTS 2001 BUCS )Today there is no such a thing .You said it a 9 minute drive against NO means NOTHING since BREES is going down the field in 2. TODAY shutdown Dis holding them to 28 while your o scores 29

  91. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    It’s denial, joe, and Rex either has it big-time or is pretending he does until we have an elite QB. Like I’ve said many times in the last few yrs, “Defense wins championships” is no longer true, now it’s “O AND D win championships, and all you have to do is look at the last few SBs. Sure, you might occasionally beat a team the way the Giants did the Pats but the model today is much more the way PIT beat AZ, NO beat IND, and GB beat PIT. Remember what Whisenhunt said he thought when AZ got the Warner-to-Fitz TD in the SB? — “Too fast.” He knew 2 and a half minutes was more than enough time for Ben R to get the winning TD and that’s just what he did…with some help from some washed-up guy named Holmes, wonder what ever happened to him…

  92. By joe on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Tom Jet Fan Since 64 Its denial because WE DONT HAVE THE QB that can do such things .Tom EVERYTHING TODAY is geared toward scoring (every RULE from protecting the quarterback defencive pass interference ,protecting defenceless reciever ect helps the offences ) The NFL isnt stupid every POLL EVER TAKEN indicates the fan base wants to see offencive shootouts Ironically WE have a coach that says he can win the superbowl by running the ball .No team has the past 10 years but were goiing to be different provided we make the playoffs.

  93. By joe on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    PS Jet Fan since 64 Tom I want to see what happens this weekend with BRADY AGAINST DENVERS D hAS BEEN GOOD AGAINST THE LIKES OF US QAKLAND ECT buT they really havent played a Brady Rogers or Brees yet.

  94. By joe on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Tom i have a GREAT BUDDY OF MINE who is the worlds largest Redskins Fan (him and i go at it )He was estatic when SYNDER got Shannohan to coach.(2x superbowl winner ect )I tried to tell him that it wasnt the coach it was John Elway.Tom you wouldnt believe it( lol )for some strange reason Shannohan has lost his touch he isnt having the same success in Wash that he has in Denver go figure I dont care if the coach is Vince Lombardi you got Rex Grossman at qb your not winning the Superbowl

  95. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    joe, I have no idea what Shanahan was thinking with Beck and Grossman, or even with McNabb. Maybe he has some strategy for the Skins to become so awful that they make a major move to draft a QB with the potential to become elite. What I do know is that everything you say about the importance of the QB, scoring, and so on in today’s NFL is totally right on. I’m sure your relentless honesty about it rubs some folks (Spicer) the wrong way at times, which I can understand. What I can’t really understand is people who’ve been rooting for this team for more than a few yrs who aren’t willing to cut to the chase a little more with respect to some of the issues that have been holding the team back for decades.

  96. By joe on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Tom, i have been a JET fan so long iam just tired of all the years without a SUPERBOWL Iam a point in my life where i have become A TOTAL REALISTIC.A lot of people make statements from denial standpoints =IF THE SUPPORTING CAST IS STRONG ENOUGH AROUND HIM YOU REALLY DONT NEED AN ELITE QB (.Never mind the fact that every qb on every team that won the superbowl the past 10 years has been a pro bowl player.)LOL the other night so nitwit reporter asked Foxie if he thought Denver could win a Superbowl with Tebow.(Much like Rex with Sanchez )off course he said YES .What do you think he was going to say no.WELL hes better than nothing and were just buying timr

  97. By joe on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Point being a lot of Jets fans look at Sanchez like hes not so bad IF he progress a little more and we get better here and there .(basically we can get by )I look at it like i just watched Rogers Brees Brady Manning and Rothesburger go 80 yards in 60 seconds (they dont need to establish any run game nonsence the D knows there going pass and can do nothing about it )SANCHEZ AGAINST THOSE GUYS IS LIKE BRINGING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT.Who has a better chance to win the SUPERBOWL

  98. By joe on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    pS as far as SPICER iam getting into disagreements with a guy who claims REX never guaranteed us a Superbowl win (never mind the fact that you tube if you google REX RYAN has 20 seperAte incidents of REX running his mouth ABOUT HOW HE GUARANTEES SUPER BOWL WINS EVERY YEAR )

  99. By joe on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Jet Fan Since 64 Tom One of my old roommates from the 90s went on to become a head coach at a MAJOR DIVISION 1 PROGRAM. I can hear him like it was yesterday 3 people you NEVER EVER LISTEN TO WHEN EVALUATING a high school kid (his parents ,his high school coach and his fans )

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