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Screen Game’s Been Sterling the Past Four Games

Posted by Randy Lange on December 14, 2011 – 6:33 pm

The Jets offense lately has been passing its screen test again.

The screen game, which can be so important to defeating an ultra-aggressive pass rush by picking up big chunks of yardage at a time, looked pretty impressive in the Jets’ first three games, particularly on LaDainian Tomlinson’s monster 74-yard catch-and-run from Mark Sanchez.

Then the screen started to get holes in it. In the six-game span from Baltimore through the home game against New England, the Jets completed only eight screens, and only one of them went for at least 10 yards.

But Joe McKnight breathed life into the screen game at Denver, and with two big plays out of it Sunday vs. the Chiefs — Shonn Greene’s 36-yard play to set up the Jets’ second TD and Tomlinson’s ice-breaking 19-yard TD play late in the first half — in the last month the devastating screen play is back on the front burner.

“It’s something we put a big focus on coming into training camp,” guard Brandon Moore said following today’s practice at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center. “They weren’t working as well in the beginning of the year. Just like everything else we try to correct … the things we’ve been working on have been showing up on Sundays. That’s the encouraging thing to see, especially this time of year.”

The screens were a big reason that Greene and Tomlinson were the major targets for Sanchez on Sunday. Greene had three receptions for 58 yards, Tomlinson two for 50. It was the first time in eight seasons and just the 14th time in franchise history that two Jets running backs each had 50-plus receiving yards in the same game.

So if it worked so well against the hard-charging Chiefs’ front seven, surely Brian Schottenheimer and Sanchez will be dialing the screens up against the harder-charging Eagles, the NFL’s top-sacking team?

“Well, they’re easy completions and if they make their way into the game plan this week, that’s great,” Sanchez said. “If not, we have to do it with runs and completions down the field or whatever it is. It’s just a good changeup for us, but you can’t just rely on something like that. We need to be good running the ball and throwing it downfield as well.”

Safety Dance

With Wednesday comes the full-fledged start of the next week of the season. And this time it marks the next December day that Rex Ryan is having to move on down the home stretch without his safety.

“Jimmy Leonhard had surgery today. Everything went well,” Ryan said of the procedure to repair Leonhard’s torn right patella tendon. “And again, they always say that as long as you come out of it, so it went well.”

Ryan said at least he doesn’t feel that the defense will need a game to regroup from the loss of their quarterback as they did last year, when they went from the last practice of the week on Friday, when Leonhard broke his leg, into the Monday night 45-3 loss at New England.

“I think there was some unusual circumstance because he got hurt with one day left in the week for practice,” Ryan recalled. “I think that was what really contributed to that, and the fact that we were playing the Patriots. I don’t want to take anything away from them, but that was part of the issue, part of the problem.

“Right now there are no excuses. We have a full week’s preparation with Brodney Pool and Eric Smith, the same guys that closed out all the playoff games and everything else, so we feel really comfortable with those guys. Obviously, it’s an unfortunate injury, it’s a huge loss to us, but we’re built to still be effective.”

Tracy Wilson moves in behind Smitty and Brodney, and behind them will be Gerald Alexander, the interesting veteran signing announced late Tuesday. Rex said after today’s practice he’s still not certain where his new No. 42 factors into Sunday’s plan for the Eagles.

“We just had him out there today. We have a great deal of confidence in our scouting department. I know they were trying to get us the best player,” Ryan said. “Right now he’s swimming. He just came out there and we’ll see. Obviously, if we signed him, then upstairs feels pretty good about him. And seems like a nice young man.”

We spent some locker room time with Alexander today and we’ll bring you a profile on him Thursday. For now two notes to pique your interest: He was Boise State teammates with Kyle Wilson for one year. And he’s an avid Tweeter who can be found at twitter.com/galexander21

Injury Reports

On the injury report front, the “swelling” on the Jets’ list in recent weeks has been reduced to 11 players. Only two didn’t practice today — G Brandon Moore (hip) and CB Marquice Cole (knee). Three more were listed as limited — DT Mike DeVito (knee), DL Marcus Dixon (hip) and S Eric Smith (knee).

“I feel pretty good about everybody, really,” said Ryan. ‘With Brandon, this was what we had talked about. We’ll probably limit him tomorrow, then have him full Friday. ‘Quice, we’ll see how his knee is. He’s probably questionable right now. All the other guys I think will be able to play, DeVito, Dixon and Smith.”

The coach added that DeVito, who has sat out four of the last seven games with knee issues, worked some 9-on-7 drills, handled some double teams, and “looked pretty good out there.”

For the Eagles, QB Michael Vick (ribs) led the four-man contingent that did not practice today. Also DNP were T Todd Herremans (ankle), DT Cullen Jenkins (groin) and DE Darryl Tapp (ribs). WR Jeremy Maclin (hamstring/shoulder) was limited, but coach Andy Reid said on a conference call with Jets reporters today that he thinks Maclin will play against the Jets.

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57 Responses to “Screen Game’s Been Sterling the Past Four Games”

  1. By joe on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    TYPICAL JETS .Were PROUD of a few playoff wins in 40 years.Other franchise are PROUD of a few SUPERBOWL WINS in 40 years.Were proud of our ability to throw screenpasses.Other franchises are proud of their ability to throw the ball downfield.(lol we throw 10 yard passes they throw 60 yard passes )Were proud of our ability to beat teams like Wash,Miami KC and Buffalo.Other franchises are proud of their ability to beat Balt, Pitts and No.

  2. By scjoe on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t know with out doubt if Moore being more hands on had anything to do with it at all, BUT, I don’t think I have seen the amount of screens in the previous three seasons as I had the past two games. That is a good thing, correction, that is a great thing. If it is not a coincidence and in fact Moore getting more involved in the play calling that has to be a great big red flag for Shotty. In my eyes the whole offense has just looked so much more “crisp” for lack of a better term the past couple of weeks.

  3. By Karan on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    The screen play is awesome, I didn’t know why we didn’t use it earlier.

  4. By Karan on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Randy, the screen pass, is the pass meant for any open receiver or is it just for running backs?

  5. By Randy Lange on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Karan, the screen can be set up for any eligible receiver, but on any given screen play, one specific receiver, usually a back, is targeted.

  6. By scjoe on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    I think McCoy running the ball and coming out of the backfield will be a big problem, but watch out for an unheralded player, TE Brent Celek. He is a good one and could be a matchup nightmare for the Jets.

  7. By Tom Spicer on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    I am posting here to keep the conversation current. Joe you make good points in your post of how the NFL does everything possible with the rules to make it a high scoring league. But I will point this out Rodgers, Brees & Peyton have all been good for a long time each of them only have 1 Super Bowl & it was the year there D stepped up. So 3 elite QBS in the last 11 Super Bowls have won it & I will tell you how & why. 1 Ravens Trent Diler was not a elite QB ever. 2 Bucs Brad Johson was not a elite QB ever.

  8. By Tom Spicer on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Brady these are his numbers in the years he won his Super Bowls. 1 rating 86, 60%, 2,843 yards, 18 TDS, 12 picks & 3 lost fumbles NOT ELITE. 2 85 rating, 60%, 3,620 yards, 24 TDS, 12 picks & 5 lost fumbles NOT ELITE. 3 92 rating, 62%, 3,692 yards, 28 TDS, 14 picks & 5 lost fumbles AGAIN NOT ELITE. The Pats have not won a Super Bowl since 2004 when they won all 3 of them they had a dominate running game with Anotione Smith & than Corey Dillion & they had the best D in the NFL. Brady becamse a elite QB after 2004. Since then there O has been one of the tops in the game & there D has not been good enough to get them over the top.

  9. By Tom Spicer on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Eli the year he won the Super Bowl rating 73, 56%, 3,336 yards, 24 TDS, 20 picks & 7 lost fumbles NOT ELITE. They had a dominate D & a great running game. Eli did not become elite until after they won the Super Bowl.

  10. By Tom Spicer on Dec 14, 2011 | Reply

    Big Ben, In the 2 years he won the Super Bowl here are his numbers. 1 80 rating, 59%, 3,331 yards, 19 TDS, 15 picks & 7 lost fumbles. 2 98 rating, 62%, 2,385 yards, 17 TDS, 9 picks & 1 lost fumble BOTH NOT ELITE. Big Ben had the # 1 & a great running game both of those years the same as Brady & Eli he did not start putting up elite QB numbers until after he won his 2 Super Bowls. Now I just gave you the info proving 9 out of the last 11 world champs did not have elite QBS. Now dont get more wrong it helps LOTS but it is proven time & time again offenses wins games & is pretty but DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!

  11. By dougmc on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Timing is everyything…win these next three games and see what happens,,,Sanchez this, Rex Ryan that. T.J. Yates, Patriots D, Jennings injurred ? We will see. Stay healthy…
    It’s time for Defense to take over these next two games. Step up…
    Eagles have a lot of weapons and strong pass rush and if we can get past them, then we look good going forward. Yeah man…!

  12. By uncle joe on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Philly Cheese Steaks Sunday, Uncle Joe Style!!!! with Fresh Mozz

  13. By IRA on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Randy, I think a screen pass if executed the right way is one of the most productive plays a team can run. The Jets haven’t run it well for a long time. Probably it would go back to R. Anderson’s days. Can’t ever forget that screen with Anderson vs the Colts in the 01 playoff game that went for a 56 yd TD and Leon Johnson’s 82 yd TD vs the Colts back in 98. Glad Schotty and his staff has brought it back to life.

  14. By Jersey Rich on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    I live in So Jersey – Eagles territory – local joke going round down here is: What do you call 47 millionaires sitting around watching the Super Bowl?? Answer = The Philadelphia Eagles

  15. By IRA on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    scjoe, The Eagles are going to be a real test for the Jets. Rex is really going to have to come up with a good defensive gameplan for this high powered offense when they are on their game.
    One thing going for us the Eagles have turned the ball over 31 times [23 INT's and 8 fumbles]and are -12 in TO ratio. The Jets MUST get some TO’s this game to win!

  16. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    This is one sorry article. The Jets rediscover a basic play that they shoulda been using for the last 3 yrs and it’s cause for celebration. And Ira, is there nothing you won’t do to defend Schotty? You’re giving him props for using screen passes NOW? When it was probably Moore’s doing in the first place? Articles like this illustrate what I really don’t like about Rex and the snail’s pace at which he moves on something as critical as SCORING PTS! And there’s Rex again with the nonsense about Alexander, the newest Jet scrub, and all but admitting that he had no role in picking the guy up, just like he probably had no role in letting Cook go. More and more Rex looks like the cheerleader for a team that he doesn’t fully coach or assemble.

  17. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Spicer, as long as teams are routinely scoring in the 30s and high 20s in the Super Bowl, it’s a little weird to keep insisting that defense wins championships. If you look at the ENTIRE history of the Super Bowl, other than blowouts (like the first 2 by GB), it took a long time for the kind of scoring we see in the SB now to become commonplace. Rather than an exception to the rule, the Jets’ own 16-7 win was actually quite representative of the way most SBs were won for the 1st 10 yrs or so. Games like the ARI-PIT SB with wild finishes like that were virtually unheard of when Rex was a kid and teenager. Unfortunately, his view of O seems to be somewhat locked in adolescence.

  18. By russ on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Eagles game is a trap game for Jets as they are more emotionally tied to beating Giants at home and winng against Miami..this game will be as important and be s stepping soneor a disaster…

  19. By scjoe on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    spicer, I am on record here as saying you don’t need an elite QB to win the SB. BUT, as for Brady’s stats in those years he won it all, you can through them all out because he is with out doubt an elite QB. Manning as well, all we need to do is look at today’s Colts to figure that one out. All that said, I think Tebow has proved that you don’t have to be “elite” to WIN! Because that is all he does. Will that trend continue for many seasons? Probably not, but he is improving weekly while he is winning and that is huge, and right now Tebow has as much a chance to win it all as the “elite” Brady does. Why? Because there is much more involved then just the QB.

  20. By Karan on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Eagles love throwing it down the field so the secondary must be prepared, I trust Brodney Pool will play just fine, I just hope to god there are no more injuries, we can’t afford any more injuries, the depth is not good enough, that was one of the main issues for the Jets entering into this season. We had good safety depth in the beginning but then poor decisions made by the staff got that depth down in a a bad way, our O-line depth is pretty bad, Ducasse stinks and Caleb is a rookie even though I think he can be good. Our WR isn’t the best but we do have many weapons by using our RBs as receivers, TEs line up as wideouts, so that isn’t a huge issue. But safety depth, O-line depth do concern me. Anyways, I’m just rambling on here,good luck!

  21. By Tom Spicer on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    SCJoe, Just to be clear Brady, Big Ben & Eli are all elite QBS. What I am saying is when they won there Super Bowls they WERE NOT elite QBS. They were the 3rd option on those teams. The D & the running game where the strengths of those teams.. Not the passing games!

  22. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    C’mon, scjoe, Tebow and the Broncos haven’t beaten a good team yet and only one team they beat scored more than 13 pts. Spicer, I think you’re splitting hairs again with the elite QB stuff. Just ask anybody on this site whether they’d rather have Brady, Ben, and Eli in the yrs they won the SB and since or Sanchez today and see the answers you get. And I notice you don’t mention Warner, the other Manning, Brees, and Rodgers, who are about as elite as it gets, who in fact have pretty much brought the term into common usage. Sure you need a good D and at least some running game, but good luck going all the way these days, over the course of the yr or during the big game, with just a “ground and pound” mentality or a “game manager” at QB.

  23. By uncle joe on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Yeah Spicer,,,Hittem with the Facts! Sanchez is our Guy, Not many QBs out there,especially IN their third season who can get it done down the stretch – game or season – like Sanchez. And Karan, don’t throw the towel in on Ducasse either,remember how bad Brick was his first two years!!!

  24. By joe on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    This goes back to the denial thing YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE SPICER.There is a reason Sanchez does not play in the Pro bowl.Spicer ,talent wise the Jets are on par with the best teams in the league EXCEPT AT THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION ON THE FIELD QB.Take NE player for player the Jets are damn near equal to them yet they mopped the floor with us this year twice why TOM BRADY.

  25. By joe on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Ps TOM i would love to see a poll about that- Sanchez now verses BRADY ROTHESBURGER and Manning in their Super bowl years.(PRO BOWL SUPERBOWL WINNING QBS against a guy whos NEVER EVEN WON his division in 3 years )

  26. By joe on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Spicer today (not 20 years ago )if DEFENCE wins superbowls how did GB win the superbowl last year The PITTSBURGH STEELERS have the best d in football year in and year old If DEFENCE WINS how did GB get 35 on them .This year explain to me what DEFENCIVE TEAM is going to stop them

  27. By joe on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Spicer in regards too the accuracy of your facts 2 days ago you posted that REX RYAN HAS never guaranteed A SUPER BOWL VICTOTY to us.That same day i went on you tube and googled REX RYAN GUARANTEES NY JET SUPER BOWL VICTORY and found over 10 instances ON TAPE(all seperate dates OVER A 3 YEAR PERIOD )that RYAN flat out was boasting about having the best team in football inturn GUARANTING US A SUPERBOWL VICTORY.

  28. By scjoe on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    64, I am not putting Tebow in the HOF just yet, what I am saying, and the facts bear me out, is that he is improving as a passer each week and winning while he is doing it. Also, don’t underestimate the Broncos defense. My point to spicer was a QB alone is not going to win the SB for you, not unless his name is Manning, and I don’t mean Eli. I think this week more then any before will give us a good indication where the Broncos are.

  29. By Danny on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Eli Manning is not a Elite QB at all. He’s a GOOD QB but stop with Elite. Elite QB’s don’t win playoff games 1yr out of 8 yrs in league. To me that 07 run could be a fluke cause this dude fumbles away Big games or playoff games. Go look at the stats for Eli’s 8yrs. He’s won 0 playoff games 7 out of 8 yrs so to me that is not Elite. Elite QB’s are taking there team on there backs yr in and yr out battling in the playoffs as his brother Peyton does every yr. Peyton only has 1 SB win but been in so many playoff games. MS has won just as many playoff games as Eli in 2 yrs to Eli’s 8yrs. Eli = Good not Elite

  30. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    No question about it, joe, defense alone no longer wins Super Bowls because like you’ve said, the game is so stacked in terms of offense now, especially passing offense.

  31. By Tom Spicer on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Tom 64, I guess you did not read all of my posts I specifically said in my 1st post on this story that Peyton, Brees & Rodgers have been elite QBS for years Iin Peytons case over a decade YET they each have 1 Super Bowl win & the one win they have is the 1 year they had a good D. DO YOU GET IT!

  32. By Tom Spicer on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Joe, Where do you come up with this stuff?. We were not talking about Sanchez you have repatedly come on this site & said you HAVE to have a elite QB to win the Super Bowl & I said 9 out of the last 11 Super Bowl winners. WERE NOT ELITE QBS THIS IS A FACT! You know you are WRONG so you try to change the subject to Sanchez.

  33. By Tom Spicer on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    JOE WRONG AGAIN! Do you even watch football do I have to explain the game to you. The last time we played the Pats Mark threw for 300 yards vs them we were moving the ball up & down the field. The reasons we lost that game were as follows 1 everytime we were driving our O line gave up a drive killing sack ( they gave up 5 on the day) 2 Our saftey could not cover Gradkowski he dominated us & we had no pas rush. We had no answer for there no huddle & we gave up 30 plus points AT HOME 3 We had no running game at that point in the season only the last 2 weeks have we started to run the ball well. Thats why we lost that game not cause of Brady being better than Mark. We lost cause WE THE TEAM did not execute.

  34. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    1 Super Bowl win is one more than we’ve had in 43 yrs, Spice. Ben R has 2, Brees was on a middling SD team for most of his career but could win another with NO, Rodgers is pretty much a lock to win at least another one before his time at GB is up, and then there’s that Brady guy. So what I GET is that it sure helps to have an elite QB if you wanna be one of the 4 or 5 teams that’s a good bet to win the SB every yr., as opposed to being the one team that Rex picks to win the SB every yr…

  35. By joe on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    SPICER we played NE 2x this year AND THEY DROPPED 67 POINTS ON US .We didnt lose because of BRADY how did they get 67 points in 2 games .That statement is as wrong as when you CLAIMED REX NEVER GUARANTEED US A SUPERBOWL WIN .I noticed how fast you retreated from that one

  36. By joe on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Tom Jet Fan Since 64 Spicer CLAIMS that when Brady got his 3 and Rothesburger got his 2 they were not elite yet so you cant count them =IAM NOT KIDDING HES SERIOUS.Tom do you believe this stuff we cant win the division(we might not even make the playoffs) these guys got 9 rings between them but theres no coinsidence between being ELITE and winning the superbowl

  37. By joe on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Reasons we lost to NE our saftey couldnt cover GRONKOWSKI=WHO THREW GRONKOWSKI THE BALL.We had no answer for the no huddle WHAT PATRIOT QB WAS RUNNING THE NO HUDDLE Spicer dont you realize that the reason we gave up 67 points was TOM BRADY the quarterback.If Sanchez PLAYED for them do you think he could have dropped 67 on our d in two games NOT IN A MILLION YEARS.Ask any one who has EVER PLAYED OR COACHED at an upper lever if the JETS and NE are on par talent wise and they will tell you yes EXCEPT AT THE QB (THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION ON THE FIELD ).It was all BRADY LOL WE HAD NO ANSWER FOR THE NO HUDDLE

  38. By Jimmer on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Jersey Rich, pretty funny. I was down in DE yesterday and had the sports station down there on. They really are down on Philly. But that makes me worry more.

  39. By Jimmer on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Elite qb’s win the SB my behind! I guess we’re gonna be seeing a bust of Trent Dilfer in Canton soon, right?

  40. By joe on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    He (SPICER )JUST DOESNT UNDERSTAND that a BRADY MANNING BREES ROGERS Rothesburger can do things that AVERAGE NFL QUARTERBACKS (SANCHEZ ) CAN NOT DUE.This is the reason THEY SCORE 30 POINTS A GAME .Spicer mentioned we had no answer for the no huddle he doesnt understand the average NFL QUARTERBACK DOESNOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO NO HUDDLE FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME BRADY CAN.lol IF THEY DID EVERYONE WOULD BE DOING IT.The tactic only worked because of BRADY .If Rex tried the identical thing SANCHEZ couldnt handle it and likely result would be a turnover

  41. By joe on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Jimmer how many years ago was that .were talking about today not a decade ago

  42. By joe on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    SPICER your exact words were Brady did not play better than Mark (last PAT GAME )Sanchez 20-39 51.3 COMP RATIO 306 YARDS 1 TD 2 INT quarterback rating ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE 64.7 BRADY 26-39 64.7 COMP RATIO 326 YARDS 3 TDS 0 INT QUARTERBACK TATING OF 118.4 Fantastic.Spicer HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY MAKE THE STATEMENT BRADY DID NOT PLAY BETTER THAN MARK.

  43. By joe on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    pS JIMMER if you look back since SUPER BOWL 1 probably 85% of all teams that have won a superbowl HAVE A QUARTERBACK THATS IN THE HALL OF FAME .Last time i checked you have got to be elite to be in the Hall Star Namath Bradshaw Unitus Stauback Elway Montana Aikman Griese come to think of it its prob more than 85%

  44. By joe on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    As a matter of fact out of the first 35 superbowls played Plunket Theisman Stabler Mcmahan Simms Rypien Williams Hostether ARE THE ONLY QBS THAT ARE NOT IN THE HALL To expand on that Plunkett Theisman Stabler Williams Simms though not good enough to make the hall were pro bowlers at one time or another in their carreer.ITS ALL IN THE QUARTERBACK

  45. By Danny on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Joe MS always does his best late in games in the NO HUDDLE. Our clueless O coordinator Shotty just don’t use it. Just like the screen pass last week that I been calling for all season. Things that we do good Shotty don’t use. We all see it but some how Shotty and Rex don’t. It blows my mind

  46. By Tom Spicer on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Joe, You just like to make stuff up dont you. I never said you cant count there Super Bowls. What I said & it is clearly stated above is & I posted the numbers for you to see of Brady, Big Ben & Eli when they won there Super Bowls & they were all WORSE THAN MARK SANCHEZ THIS YEAR & Mark has only played 13 games. Now we all agree ,Mark is not a elite QB well if Marks numbers are better right now in 13 games then Brady, Big Ben & Eli in ALL OF THERE SUPER BOWL YEARS. Is it not safe to say that they were not elite QBS when they won it all? If you can not agree with that FACT that I have repeatdly proven YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL PERIOD END OF STORY!

  47. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    joe, I haven’t lived in NYC for 30 yrs., so maybe that accounts for my agreement with almost everything you say on the elite QB question. Outside of some excuse-making folks in NYC, I’ve met almost nobody out here in the other 49 states who’d seriously debate the importance of elite QBs. Nobody would ever post nonsense like “Mark doesn’t have to be elite, he just has to manage the game.” And NOBODY would listen to anything Rex says on this subject. Randy won’t print the word I hear almost everyone out here use to describe Rex, but outside of NYC fans just see Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Warner, Ben R, etc. dominating the game and winning the big one, and they know that freak exceptions like Dilfer and the Ravens don’t prove a damn thing.

  48. By joe on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    Spicer EVERY FACT THAT COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH IS WRONG .lETS SEE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD Rex Ryan never guaranteed a superbowl..Last Pat game BRADY didnt out play Sanchez .Now we have the biggest blunder of all SANCHEZ is better than BRADY ELI AND BEN.SPICER you have got to be kidding me like you retreated on the other things WHEN PROVEN WROONG YOU WILL RETREAT ON THIS

  49. By joe on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    JET FAN SINCE 64 TOM EXACTLY LOL the reason they say we dont need an elite qb to win the superbowl is BECAUSE WE DONT HAVE ONE and THROUGH DENIAL THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE

  50. By joe on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    Tom its funny i watch the Nfl network alot .Approx 20 of my buddys ,ex roommates and my business partner played in the league (some of them were first and second round draft choices).EVERY AUTHORITY on the subject WILL TELL YOU its a quarterback driven league.A team with must have an elite qb if they want to win the superbowl

  51. By joe on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    ps Spicer GO BACK INTO YOUR STAT BOOK and check the stats on a first ballot hall of fame quarterback named TERRY BRADSHAW.You will find many QBS who played in his era (Ken Anderson for one)had equal to or better STATS than BRADSHAW yet these guys couldnt buy their way into the hall of fame. WHY- how could this be show -the stats SAY their better than TERRY. STATS DIDNT wardswin 4 SB RINGS STATS didnt win 2 SP MVP awards.

  52. By Tom Spicer on Dec 18, 2011 | Reply

    Joe, I have NEVER EVER said that Mark was better than Eli, Brady or Ben. You are just making stuff up at this point. You said you can not win a Super Bowl without a elite QB & I have repeatedly proved you wrong. So you keep making stuff up & keep on looking & sounding like a fool.

  53. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 18, 2011 | Reply

    That’s interesting, joe, because i have a friend in the Midwest who along with his friend out there occasionally has a beer with one of the most beloved current Jets — and that Jet says the same thing about elite QBs.

  54. By joe on Dec 18, 2011 | Reply

    SPICER you claimed that Mark was as good as BRADY Ben were their first SB years (cited stats )THAT STATEMENT WAS WRONG as SANCHEZ was not as good as they were .Stats are often useless as i cited BRADSHAW ANDERSON nOW DONT GO RETREATING on your statement like you did with REXS GUATANTEED SB REMARKS

  55. By joe on Dec 18, 2011 | Reply

    Did we see what happened today to GROUND AND POUND VERSES A MODERN OFFENCE WITH A GREAT QB.TEBOW MANIA along with REXS ground and pound LEARNED THIS AINT 1985.Klecko on JETS JOURNAL said its impossible to win the SB TODAY WITHOUT AN ELITE QB

  56. By Tom Spicer on Dec 19, 2011 | Reply

    Joe, Its impossible to win a Super Bowl without a elite QB but 8 out of the last 11 WERE NOT! Yea that makes sense.

  57. By joe on Dec 19, 2011 | Reply


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