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Rex and Bart Have Run into Michael Vick Before

Posted by Eric Allen on December 16, 2011 – 2:00 pm

Updated, 2:30 p.m. ET

You would have to trace back more than five years to find the last time WLB Bart Scott, head coach Rex Ryan and defensive coordinator Mike Pettine prepared to face a Michael Vick-led offense. It was Nov. 19, 2006, in Baltimore when the Ravens smothered Vick’s Falcons, 24-10, as the gifted quarterback was sacked five times and held to 82 net yards passing.

So, Madbacker, how do you slow Vick down?

“Just making sure you set edges on him and you’re able to take away the lanes because he’s an explosive athlete,” he told me. “You have to play team defense. You can’t go out and try to be Superman yourself and try to make a play and leave your teammates at risk, shooting up the field and giving him running lanes and throwing lanes.

“You have to play disciplined and play the defense the way it’s supposed to be played and try to keep him in the box,” he added. “If you allow him to get on the edges, he can make plays either running the ball or throwing the ball. When he’s out in space, he’s tough to get.”

The Jets are a well-coached group because Ryan’s message is hammered home to everyone. Scott is 31 and in his 10th pro season, but listen to 22-year-old rookie DL Muhammad Wilkerson break it down.

“You have to take good angles,” he said of Vick. “You have to have some kind of technique when you’re rushing the passer like Mike Vick. He’s definitely mobile, so you have to keep him in the pocket. You don’t want him to escape outside. You’d rather him rush to where he escapes inside to your other teammates.”

Scott had seven tackles in that ’06 meeting, but he was limited to special teams duty when the Ravens and Falcons squared off on Nov. 3, 2002. Vick and the Falcons captured a 20-17 decision in Atlanta, but his numbers were less than ordinary. He was sacked three times and intercepted once while being held to 115 net yards passing. The Falcons, who benefited from a defensive TD, got minus-5 yards rushing from their speedy QB on seven carries.

It’s hard to believe Vick, now in his third season in Philadelphia, is 31 years old. His struggles in 2011 have been a microcosm of the 5-8 Eagles. After completing 62.6 percent of his passes for 3,018 yards with 21 TDs and just six INTs in 2010, No. 7 is completing 59.4 percent of his throws for 2,401 yards with 12 TDs and 12 INTs.

“He probably has another 10 years to play,” Scott said. “What I’ve seen from him is the maturity of a person, as a man, which has translated to his maturity on the football field: the understanding and trusting of his teammates more, allowing his teammates to make plays instead of always trying to make plays with his feet, the understanding that a lot of the times he can use his ability to buy time to get larger chunks by throwing the football than running the football.”

Vick remains a threat on the ground as evidenced by his 8.1-yard average, but he doesn’t have a rush TD after totaling nine in 2010. The most dynamic offensive weapon for the Eagles has been RB LeSean “Shady” McCoy, an explosive performer who’s rushed for 1,172 yards and 14 touchdowns and added 310 yards and three TDs receiving.

“His ability to cut laterally, to stop on a dime … he’s tough mentally and physically. He’ll stick it up in there, but the running scheme doesn’t allow people to see that a lot,” Scott said. “But he’s not afraid, he’s not timid and he’s a guy at some point, watching him play and watching him carry himself, may have been doubted by his size. He kind of walks around with a bit of a chip on his shoulder.”

“He’s got good speed. He can hit the edge and take it to the house,” Wilkerson said. “He’s very elusive out in the open field, so he’s another one we plan on taking good angles with and making sure he runs back to the defense flowing to the ball. We’ll pretty much handle it from there.”

The Eagles might be ranked fourth in total offense, but points win games. The Birds are in the middle of the pack at 15th with just 22.8 per contest and the Jets don’t plan on sitting back and playing tentative.

“Just because Vick can run and they have all these good athletes doesn’t mean we’re going to be hesitant with our defensive schemes,” said Big Mo. “We’re definitely still going to bring pressure and do all the things we’ve been doing for the season.”

Injury Reports

Rex Ryan reported at today’s final news conference of the week at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center that only one 11 players on this week’s injury report is not probable for the game at Philly. That player is CB-ST Marquice Cole (ankle), who is out and will not make the trip down the New Jersey Turnpike.

Among the 10 “probable” players is DT Mike DeVito, who has sat out four of the past seven games with two different knee injuries.

“It’s great to have him back,” Ryan said. “He was having a huge year for us, and now to have him back, the other guys can now back up, but they’ve had a lot of playing time and you’re getting better depth and getting better. Marcus Dixon’s done a tremendous job for us, especially recently. I love the way he’s playing and the way Mo [Muhammad Wilkerson] is playing. It’s a good group.”

The Eagles after today’s practice are listing DE Darryl Tapp as doubtful and four players as questionable — WR Jeremy Maclin (hamstring/shoulder), T Todd Herrremans (ankle), DT Cullen Jenkins and QB Vince Young (ankle). All four questionables practiced full. Remaining full-go and probable for Sunday are seven players, including QB Michael Vick (ribs) and CBs Nnamdi Asomugha (knee) and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (ankle).


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30 Responses to “Rex and Bart Have Run into Michael Vick Before”

  1. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Scott predicts Vick will play for TEN more years? Nothing like the way the Madbacker weighs his words carefully, God love ‘im…

  2. By scjoe on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    My prediction….If the Jets rely on “ground and pound” and if Sanchez don’t do much more then just “manage the game” they can not win! Not against this offense. This is not a good matchup for the Jets, Philly has to much speed on offense and that is our weakness on defense. Whats worse is I think that the Giants at home will be even a tougher task then Philly on the road, and they desperately need one of the two at least.

  3. By IRA on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Reason the Eagles are 5-8 are injuries and more important they have TO the ball 31 times. Besides that they are one of the top 3 teams talent wise around the NFL. This weekend last year the Jets finally won a game in Pitt . Now maybe they finally win a game vs Philly.
    GO JETS!!!!

  4. By Jimmer on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    I’m not really that worried about Vick this week. I’m worried about Sanchez playing against a speed D.

  5. By wayne on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Ray Ray was in his prime back then and could cover EVERYTHING……No Ray Ray here. Better be real physical with this team…..Running game and physical D beats this team, but you have to catch what you want to hit…………..in Philadelphia.

  6. By GaryC on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    If Vick is on the field, I want to see less of Scott,the only way he would catch Vick is if the field had turned to quicksand,then he would have time to catch up.

  7. By joe on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Every team has injurys YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE no excuses were playing a under 500 team and should win

  8. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Really goin’ out on a limb there, eh, scjoe? Yeah, “ground and pound” and “QB game management” sure don’t sound like great ways to beat teams that score more than 17 points or so per game. Maybe somebody oughta tell that to Rex…

  9. By Karan on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    I don’t know if you guys have noticed this, but Mark Sanchez doesn’t seem so happy these days. I know he’s really focused, but I think the criticism has gotten to him. I feel bad for the poor guy, people give him way too much criticism, it’s the worst when its from his own fans. I’ll always support this kid through thick and thin, keep your head high man, your doing a great job. I hope we get into the playoffs, I can’t wait to see what Mark does then, we’ve seen what he’s capable of in the postseason. Good luck to ya.

  10. By GaryC on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    these three weeks will tell if the jets are just masquerading as a playoff team or they are the real deal.

  11. By Frank on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    We need to keep the same formula that got us to the AFC game the last two years. Run the ball, control the clock and limit the amount of Eagle touches. Contrary to SCJoe and 64 Sanchez must manage the game not try to do too much. The re-emergence of the screen and the tremendous improvement of Greene catching and running the ball has helped Sanchez immensely. Defenses can’t simply stack the box and charge the line of scrimmage like they were doing early in the year. Babin and Cole play very wide we need a lot of inside power runs and throw the screens when the blitz. DO NOT have Sanchez throw the ball more than 25 times or he will turn the ball over with this secondary.

  12. By Danny on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    Actually ground and pound is def the way to beat a high scoring Offense. Must sustain long drives to kill clock and keep Vick off the field. Gotta stop him a few series and we will have a close game that possibly a special teams play can be the diff in winning the game. You don’t go in a shootout with a high power O if you don’t have the O to do it. Long drives like the 9 min drive vs Redskins and score kills a hole Quarter of the game and keeps Vick off the field. Cmonn thats football 101. The Eagles weakness on D is stopping the run. We need a hole lot of ground and pound and smart play action passes that MS excels in and we can win this game.

  13. By joe on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    CRITCISM WHAT CRITICISM SPICER has stated Sanchez is as good as BRADY MANNING AND BEN were in their superbowl years.The 80k people who BOO Sanchez every game are wrong SPICER RIGHT

  14. By 38 year fan on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    WE GOT TO SET THE EDGES AGAINST VICK ,…Then it’s game over …

  15. By 38 year fan on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    Maybin again will make a difference with his speed

  16. By joe on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    SC JOE agree with you all the way on this one as a matter of fact this seasons results say ANY TEAM OVER 500 IS A BAD MATCHUP FOR US LOL.Historically with Sanchez HES SUCCESSFUL only if they can run the ball due to play action.When they cant run the ball (get a lot of 3rd and 8s ect )theres problems.They flat out dont trust him not to turn the ball over- thats why they limit his throws. CASE IN POINT watch what happens if the Jets are backed up and have a 3rd and 10 plus, nine out of 10 times they run the ball.Hes treated like a rookie in many instances.

  17. By cgb on Dec 17, 2011 | Reply

    the jets need to win the TO battle this game. the team that does that significantly increases their chances of winning. No bad penalties ,finish plays ,playing hard for 60 min. Jets need to watch the quick screens, and the rb’s out of the backfield on passing downs. It’s not all about vick this game.

  18. By jay on Dec 18, 2011 | Reply

    i still say fire shottenhiemer , he cant call a game . we need to go deep , if we play small ball we will be short lived in playoffs , if we get there !

  19. By Tom Spicer on Dec 18, 2011 | Reply

    Joe, Greene has ran the ball for over 88 yards 2 times this year. The game we have won have been because of the D & the passing game. Get glasses or get a clue.

  20. By joe on Dec 18, 2011 | Reply

    Danny you can def beat a high powered offence by ground and pound all you need is a defence that can stop them .Unfortunatey in TODAYS NFL theres no such thing ASK THE STEELERS how well that worked out in the superbowl last year.The two best ds in the game today are PITT AND BALT CANT SEE EITHER OF THEM stopping GBor NO.You are what your record says you GB has lost a game in how long

  21. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 18, 2011 | Reply

    Frank and Danny, you’re dreaming that dream that Rex so often dreams. A Jet SB vs. GB would likely look a lot like the championship game vs. PIT: We’d come in nervous and tentative, knowing there’s no way we’re going to “game manage” a win vs. GB. Within a qtr or 2 Rodgers would put a bunch of TDs up on the board. Panicking because the house-of-cards game plan that Rex and Schotty had put together had yielded only a couple of runs into the line for 2 yds and a few 5-yd passes to Holmes and Kerley, Sanchez would make a few mistakes — a pick 6, a fumble for a TD — putting us in a deeper hole. Then we’d fight hard in the 2nd half to make the score less embarrassing and head into the tunnel defeated, talking about the need to upgrade our O.

  22. By joe on Dec 18, 2011 | Reply

    Toms TOOOOO FUNNY a iam watching THEM BEING DESTROYED BY PHILLY.It more than pathethic WATCHING SANSHEZ TRY TO MOVE THE BALL WHEN THEY MUST THROW. We got an outdated ground and pound offence trying to come back .Guys as i posted earlyier that stuff worked l shut down defences.30 years ago because there were tota

  23. By joe on Dec 18, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Spicer the qb you claimed playing as good as BRADY and Ben were in their early sb days he looks like he belongs back at USC

  24. By joe on Dec 18, 2011 | Reply

    They just asked Joe Klecko IF HE THOUGHT we could ever win the Superbowl without AN ELITE QB Klecko replied NO WAY NO IN TODAYS GAME EVERYTHING IS THE QB

  25. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 19, 2011 | Reply

    joe, read my list of truths about how the game is played today that the Jets are ignoring, it should be on the “Rare Off-Game for Holmes” story. Yes, Rex is largely living in the past as are the ones on this site who thought we could “ground and pound”/”game manage” a win over PHI but Klecko’s living in the present. Maybe he’s the D-minded guy with a realistic view of O that we need as HC! I must admit, today’s loss looked exactly like the SB loss to GB that I theorized on this story just a few hours ago. I hope Spicer saw how Brady, with the help of a competent but by no means great ground game, just kept throwing creatively, expertly, brilliantly to wear down a very tough DEN D. That’s how the game is played today and where we need to be.

  26. By joe on Dec 19, 2011 | Reply

    Tom YOU CALLED IT BUDDY.Watching TEBOW and SAnchez HAVE to throw the ball because their DS LET UP POINTS ONE COULD EASILY TELL they were in for big losses.We both agreed the thing about BRADY is he NEVER LETS OFF THE GAS .Once your behind with these two antique offences going against an elite qb ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY GOT NO SHOT.People on the forum are calling for us to draft safteys Speed rushers.IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU GOT THE 76 STEELERS OR 85 BEARS playing d TODAY BRADY MANNING BREES ROGERS will lite them up.You have to bee able to score 30 plus every game and pray for your d to hold them to 20 WE NEED A QB THATS REALLY ALL THAT MATTERS EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY

  27. By joe on Dec 19, 2011 | Reply

    Tom you wouldnt believe TOP 4 TEAMS pickeed to win t he SUPERBOWL TEAM BRADY TEAM ROGERS TEAM ROTHESBURGER TEAM BREES.Francessas show highlighted this its not the PATRIOTS ITS TEAM BRADY

  28. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 20, 2011 | Reply

    Not that I consider it any stroke of genius, joe, but just last night I sent ArtSoCal/ ArteOldSchool the piece from the NFL website about how SD exploited BAL’s D and told him that it’s those very same 4 teams that will go down to the wire. In fact, while watching the SF/PIT game just now with a friend — and yeah, Spicer, Ben R’s playing with injuries that would knock almost any other QB out for the season, so don’t tell us how he’s not “elite” — I told my friend that my guess is it’s the Packers favored by 3 or so over the Pats in the SB, with the game itself a tossup especially depending on things like injuries (like the Pats’ Carter now out for the yr). No accident these are the teams with the best 4 QBs in the game, that’s for sure.

  29. By joe on Dec 20, 2011 | Reply

    Rothesburgers a tough dude to even try to play with such a severe injury( no practice ect ) is remarkable.But TOM JET FAN SINCE 64 did you know (ROTHESBURGER 750 WINNING PERCENT Superbowl rings and all aside) it has come to my attention ( from a very knowledgeable football guru )that during Rothesburgers first super bowl win our very own Mark Sanchez is actually a better qb than BEN was.LOL tOM I BET YOU DIDNT KNOW THAT

  30. By joe on Dec 20, 2011 | Reply

    Jet Fan Since 64 Tom what do you mean the Packers will be favored over the Pats IN THE SUPERBOWL Rex said were going to GROUND AND POUND our way to a Superbowl with Sanchez leading the wayThe fact that in 3 years REX has won um um NOTHING is irrevelant .The fact that this year we have beat a total of um um NO TEAMS WITH A WINNING RECORD is also irrevelant IF WE GET IN WERE GOING TO DO SOME DAMAGE..

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