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Keller Sees ‘Really Good Challenge’ in the Dolphins

Posted by Eric Allen on December 29, 2011 – 10:55 am

Just like the team itself, the Jets offense has been up and down throughout the 2011 season. They remain No. 1 in red zone efficiency (66.7 percent TD rate) and rank ninth overall in scoring at 24 points per game. But they place 27th overall (307.7 yards/game) in yardage and are coming off two disappointing efforts against the Eagles and Giants.

“We have all the talent in the world,” said TE Dustin Keller. “At every single position we feel confident in any guy we put out there with a 1-on-1 matchup that they’re going to win. Just to not come out and perform to the expectations that we set for ourselves is very disappointing. But hopefully it’s something we can get corrected as soon as possible, some things go our way, and we get into the playoffs.”

Keller was one of the few offensive bright spots against the Giants, hauling in eight passes for 77 yards. But the offense averaged just 3.7 yards a play, committed three turnovers and converted just four of 21 third downs. The Jets didn’t have a pass play longer than 15 yards and they have struggled to get explosion plays when they’ve turned to the air.

“We have a lot of calls of plays to be thrown down the field, but for some reason or another we’re not hitting those or we’re not really attempting those shots that we’ve had in the past,” DK said. “It’s something we have to get corrected and get better at. Hopefully it’s something that we correct immediately.”

After Mark Sanchez had 67 dropbacks (59 pass attempts, five sacks, three scrambles) last weekend, the Jets plan to establish more balance against the Dolphins. In the clubs’ first meeting at MetLife Stadium back on Oct. 17, Sanchez attempted 25 passes while Shonn Greene (21 carries, 74 yards) and LaDainian Tomlinson (7-25) combined for 28 carries.

The Jets ended up winning that contest, 24-6, but the offense got off to a very slow start. Darrelle Revis’ 100-yard interception return gave the Green & White an early lead and the offense didn’t get a first down until there was 5:33 left in the second stanza.

“I think in October the Dolphins were still playing pretty good defense. Now they’ve picked it up a notch in all phases,” Keller said. “Their D-Line gets to the quarterback really well and they’re good against the run. I think they’re third-best in the league against the run. They definitely do a lot of things really well. It’s going to be a really good challenge for us.”

Slow starts haven’t been a problem of late as the Jets have opened with a touchdown drive in three of their past four games. However, against the Giants they marched down with a 53-yard scoring drive that culminated on Sanchez’s 5-yard toss to Josh Baker and then things got ugly for most of the afternoon.

“Scoring on the first drive is something we’ve always strived for and we’ve always been known for starting slow and coming back, having these fourth-quarter comebacks,” DK said. “But you can’t be satisfied with the early start and then drop off the rest of the game. You have to maintain that.”

Execution comes down to being precise with the details. This is the same offense that was rolling just a couple of weeks ago, having converted 12 straight inside the red zone from late in Week 11 until the first drive of Week 15.

“It’s a lot of small things, whether it is the depth of your routes or us not being in sync with each other as far as what the hot route is off of,” Keller said. “Things like that can destroy your plays and we have to get those things fixed.”

If the offense gets going against the Dolphins and the Jets get some help, things can get fixed in a hurry.

“That’s the ultimate task, to just get it done — win our game,” Keller said. “That’s the one thing we can control, so we’re going to be focused on that.”

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80 Responses to “Keller Sees ‘Really Good Challenge’ in the Dolphins”

  1. By wayne on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    That’s the problem, you guys think you’re a little better than you are…..Just a little humility might cause you boys to work a little harder at your craft…..Don’t look at the numbers so hard. Pay a little more attention the effort and the details………Joe was right after all………….

  2. By IRA on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    wayne, Thats right this team really didn’t have a sense of urgency all year. Too many mistakes in all three phases of the game. Think not going up to Cortland [lockouts fault] has played part of why this team has played the way they have besides the fact of all the personnel changes they made. The team that walked off the field in Pitt was better than this years team. You can’t even argue that point.
    Only thing that could make this right is a win over the Fish and everything to break right which i think could very well happen.
    Watch this week they will run the ball 20 of their first 25 plays. Whatever it takes just get the win!

  3. By scjoe on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    I could not agree more with Gary Myers article in the Daily News today about acquiring Peyton Manning. It makes all the sense in the world. Will it happen? Probably not. Then again lets connect some dots, Eli is here, Tom Moore is here. Peyton would make the Jets an instant favorite to win a SB. Sanchez can sit and watch for the next two years so the front office don’t lose face. There really wont be any need to go out and change the system, change the OC. Peyton will make it work. Stay tuned!

  4. By scjoe on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    One last point about making comparisons re: MS and other QBs. Lets keep it fair, instead of comparing his numbers against other QBs in their first three years in a different era, lets do it for this current year. How about Mat Stafford (also in his 3rd year) 4500 yds passing 36 TDs and 14 INTs, by the way, not much of a running game in Detroit. How about first year rooks? Newton 3900 yds passing, 20TDs passing God knows how many more rushing and 16 picks. Not to much better in the way of WRs in Carolina then here. How about Dalton in Cin 3200 yds, 13 INTs and almost 59% comp? What does it all mean? Absolutely nothing! It is what it is, lets stop the comparisons.

  5. By russ on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    Eli Manning in his third year was criticized as being erratic and the wrong QB pick…Hows that working out now??? Blaming Schotty? who was our second runningback this year? offensive line stunk,,Hunter..Ducasse? Schotty drop passes? Schotty give up the sacks, fumble?? DL ,,whcih line man got the most sacks? and mention of a pro bowl from Jets line in years gone by? We had Abrams and Farrier how they doing?? Special teams w/o Brad this year was mediocre at best…And if Sanchez got the crap beat out of him , do you think Peyton Manning will do better? Maybe if we were more like the Yankees and less like the Mets we might start winning..

  6. By Tom Spicer on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    Tom 64, Can you breifly tell us about this “Good ESPN piece today by McManus on Mr T’s miserable yr.” I can not read ESPN at work it is blocked out.

  7. By robertpapalia on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    I got a better scenario. The Jets get Manning and trade Sanchez to Seattle where he can reunite with Pete Carroll who needs a qb.

  8. By IRA on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    scjoe, Heard this manning talk since after the Denver game. If healthy if the price is right its hard to argue about it. Personally been there done that with Favre. I would not go in that direction but Woody has a track record of bringing in big names and making a splash. IF they don’t make the playoffs and the Giants are making a run and stealing the front pages i fully expect Woody to explore the chances of getting Manning. He needs to sell the rest of the tickets that are unsold plus the marketing angle would be off the charts. Once again i wouldn’t but lets wait and see what happens. It will be the story of the month in Feb for the Jets.

  9. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    You’re channeling Schotty and Rex perfectly, Ira. When their offensive game plan doesn’t work, they often do the exact opposite the next week regardless of the opponent, the opponent’s strengths or weaknesses, or much of anything else that makes sense…

  10. By Allan O'Dane on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    scjoe, Reading the same article. Bringing in Manning would help in so many ways. He will make everyone better…Keller..holmes..plax..even the running game will improve because teams will have to respect mannings arm. BUT all of this is for naught if the Jets don’t improve the O-line. Manning does not like getting hit and one bad hit could end his career. Sanchez would have to take a humility pill for awhile but on the other hand he will learn from the best. Two years learning under Manning would do wonders for Sanchez plus he is still young. This all may seem like a dream because the Jets have so many holes to fill. But getting Manning would be a great start. And by Moore being here already,,things could get interesting

  11. By Allan O'Dane on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    Am I just saying Mark never played 4years of college football. He didn’t sit on the bench for 3-4 years and learn from a true vet ( i.e. Rodgers ). His O-line was swiss cheese. They removed (3) wideouts from last years roster which he was getting a used too. Had to deal with the lockout. So there were many factors for Mark’s regression. He needs to learn how to be leader on and off the field. Stop looking like you lost your puppy when things are not going right. Demand that the players around you play great. Mark is not there yet. I could say the same for our Defense. Think about it. Ellis,Jones,Jenkins,Richardson,Woody,Faneca all vets with leadership skills gone. There are no leaders on this team.

  12. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    Proving my point, Ira: Rex says we won’t throw as much Sunday (okay, I can understand less than last wk) despite MIA being 3rd in the NFL on run D at 93 yds. As joe has tirelessly pointed out, a HC and OC who were confident in their QB wouldn’t react frantically to his on-and-off play wk to wk. They’d draw up a game plan based on their opponent, confident their QB could execute it. It’s painfully obvious that’s not happening with Sanchez. As for Myers’ convoluted plan for the Jets to get Manning, I don’t see it, scjoe. He’s way too expensive, his neck problems sound terrifying, and most of all sitting MS behind him for 2 yrs and then starting MS is absurd. Better this yr or next to just face reality, deal MS, draft a QB, and start over.

  13. By Allan O'Dane on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    Bart Scott..what have you done? What big plays have you made that changed the outcome of a big game? Even though ray lewis is not the same I would have prefered him instead of Scott. Pace?,,overrated. D-line average at best. OLB..Thomas getting old no speed. Safety? Can’t cover TE’s no speed. Antonio C. What a joke. I let my son see him play to show him what not to do when you make a tackle and not to be a slacker. I still say they should have gotten Joseph instead. Jets want to improve the D. Start on getting a pure pass rushing end. Replace both OLB’s and Get safety that can cover TE’s and play the run. And oh yeah..Draft another RB because greene is like a lamont jordan we need a starting RB.

  14. By Tom Spicer on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    SCJoe, What I can say about the Peyton things is this. 1 The big stage 2 The same OC he loved 3 Being by his brother 4 A better D. Are all good reasons to come. But I will tell you this right now unless we were to get AT LEAST 1 more WR & a STUD right tackle he would laugh at us. Also what would we have to give up to get him? Is he going to give us a multi year commiment? I do not want a 1 & done like Brett Favre. He needs to tell us that he will play for at least 3 years or why bother. Do the Colts even have the 1st pick & are they taking Luck?

  15. By GaryC on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    Lamont Jordan was so much better than Shonn Greene there is no discussion.

  16. By GaryC on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    Guess its that time of the year again when where thinking of picking up aging superstars from other teams instead of looking in our own yard to see how we can improve,like changing our drafting methods,changing the coaching staff.

  17. By GaryC on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    mangold, harris,revis,ferguson,moore,sanchez,jets have enough guys who need to take more responsibilities as leaders,and put a holt to the shenanigans of others on this team.Maybe those six need to tell Rex to shut up when he acts like a jerk also.

  18. By Tom Spicer on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    I was just watchin NFL network & Mike Lombardi said the Jets are 30th in the NFL in running the ball. He sadi that with no running game & a bad O line all of the pressure is on Mark & he does not have the personell to get it done.

  19. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    Spicer, McManus’ piece said Mr T deserves as much if not more criticism than Schotty and Sanchez. Here’s an edited excerpt: “Mangold had a high ankle sprain early in the season, so Colin Baxter started in losses at OAK and BAL. Remember him? Maybe not, since he soon left. Schotty can’t fix his personnel, and Sanchez had the snot knocked out of him by the Ravens. Go down the Jets’ roster. S, OL, WR, ST — have the Jets improved in the last 3 yrs? Have enough draft picks lived up to their promise? How about backups? Mangini valued players like S Ihedigbo, CB Coleman, WR Stuckey and LB Jason Trusnik — versatile guys, special teams contributors who may not start but are capable of performing. And the changes at WR didn’t make the team better.”

  20. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    Totally agree with you about the Ghost of Aging Superstars, GaryC, I wish once and for all we’d make a serious, year-after-year commitment to rebuilding thru the draft, whether it means surrounding Sanchez with better young players or putting a better young player in his place.

  21. By joe on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    KELLER ,PLEASE you know what you guys need about a week or so a JERSEY GUY BY THE NAME OF BILL PARCELLS Coach Parcells would get this team back to reality REAL QUICK .IN CASE YOU GUYS NEED TO BE REMINDED THE LAST TIME I CHECKED THE NY JETS HAVE NOT WON A GAME AGAINST A WINNING TEAM IN 1 YEAR.If you have all this talent that you CLAIM to have why is this team playing like it is

  22. By scjoe on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    Tom Spice, don’t compare Manning (if healthy) with that Brett Favre fiasco. Peyton is 36, he has a few good years left. If healthy he would be worth what ever it takes to get him here. As for the WRs here, he would make them better instantly, look at the Colts WRs now, then look at what they did with Peyton, same WRs right? Our O line? Again, with Peytons pocket presence and his quick release and just his general knowledge of the game and reading defenses that will not be a problem. I know you are a Sanchez supporter, but I know with out doubt Peyton being Peyton would solve most of those problems. I recently read an article in the new NFL mag. that was interesting it said Peyton is this years MVP, just look at Indy with out him.

  23. By scjoe on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    GaryC Peyton Manning is no ordinary “aging superstar” if healthy, and of course that is a big if that the Jets would have to know with out doubt before he is signed, he could bring a championship to the Jets faster then any other method, including hitting big in the draft in 2012. Call me selfish, but I have been a Jet/Titan fan from day 1 and I want that championship while I am still here on earth. Spicer, as for that #1 pick, if both the Colts and Rams win OR lose the Colts get the pick. I think that would have to be a prerequisite to a possible trade of Peyton because I think the Rams would take Luck and trade Bradford, OR, trade the #1 to someone like Washington or prey tell Miami.

  24. By scjoe on Dec 29, 2011 | Reply

    64, I hate that term “start over” how many times can a team “start over” look at Miami since Marino and Shula left, then look at Pitt since Knoll left, do the math, look at the results. Can it happen? Sure. But the percentages say no. I would be in favor of “starting over” with a young NFL QB (Matt Flynn GB) being my choice, but a rookie QB? I’m not sure I have that much time to watch another one on a trial basis, don’t think my heart can take it LOL.

  25. By Jimmer on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Gary Meyers is a fiction writer.
    Indy would want way more from any afc team. They’d ask for like 3 #1′s and probably more. Anyone willing to even suggest that would be worth it needs their head examined. Has everyone forgotten all the holes on this team? We’d still be giving up draft picks after he’s retired.

  26. By Jimmer on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    All the Sanchez haters need to look back the past 3 years. His numbers are slowly getting better. And this is done changing wr’s yearly. The other point is obvious. His rookie year, he was playing behind an all pro OL. Not so much in 10 losing Faneca to F/A, then Woody down the stretch. 2011 had Woody sent to retirement, and his replacement plays like Frankenstein. And Mangold was out for some games, and played hurt for others. So, somehow with a worse and worse OL, he still improved his numbers. How exactly are people saying he’s regressing?

  27. By Tom Spicer on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Jimmer, I agree 100%. Mark has a worse D, a worse O line, a worse group of WR’s & a worse running game. If I am wrong about any of these things please tell me where I am wrong? With that being said he still has gotten better every year.

  28. By scjoe on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Jimmer, speaking for myself of course, it is not a question of being a “Sanchez hater” as you suggest, I don’t “hate” any player, it is more a function of being a “NY Jets lover” I could care less who the QB will be who takes this team to a championship, but it has become quite apparent it is not Mark Sanchez. Some say he has improved each year, I think they are confusing his stats with actual overall improvement. I have said it often, stats do not tell the whole story.

  29. By scjoe on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Spicer, you asked to tell where you are wrong in your post above. Well, the one that pops right into my head would be Matt Stafford in Detroit. Also a third year starter. I would say with out a doubt that Mat Stafford is doing much, much more in Detroit with much less of a running game then Mark Sanchez has here here. There are only three teams that have less yards running the ball then the Detroit Lions have. Next, you say Mark has a worse “D” Last time I checked Tom Brady and the NE Patroits had the absolute worse D in the entire league, it hasn’t slowed him down at all.

  30. By GaryC on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Scjoe,Unitas,Namath,Montana,Bobby Layne,all quarterbacks who won championships with their first teams never winning again once they got traded,Not saying Manning is over the hill,but at his age it will be hard seeing that rosters are constantly changing and the jets need a lot of help with not a lot of draft picks and not knowing what compensation the jets would have to give.Don’t think the colts are just going to let him walk.

  31. By GaryC on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Look stafford has two 6’5 recievers he throws to in Pettigrew and Johnson,the jets have one who is timed with an hourglass and two outside receivers who are5’10 and 5’9.Sorry you guys who knock sanchez but when you have a receiver who cannot get away from press coverage and small receivers where you have to be better than accurate it will show up in the stats, even keller at 6’2 is smaller than most tightends.

  32. By GaryC on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    jet fan tom, nice to see you giving up the ghost of Plastico,bad move and it will be worse if they bring him back,I still believe the Mangenius got a raw deal and maybe has a better idea of talent then anyone knows.At least when we had injuries back then their wasn’t a complete breakdown like with the jets this year when mangold and leonhard went out.

  33. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Any improvement by Sanchez from yr to yr is marginal at best statistically and zero operationally. He’s looked scared, hesitant, and confused for most of the yr and where’s the improvement in terms of playing at the pro level, like at handling the pass rush? As for criticizing any of the guys catching the ball, that’s ridiculous as they’re a more formidable unit than many if not most teams have. No, in some weird way, $50 mil Mark must be seen as the victim…at least until we figure out how to unload his contract and get in a guy who picks up the pro game faster. I’d like to see him without Rex and Schotty around but like scjoe says, at my age you start getting very particular about how you invest your time.

  34. By Westcoast GangGreen on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    scjoe, good points about comparisons regarding MS. But, you can only compare MS to himself, or to any QB who has played under Shotty system. They all just become average at best. Since Rex has been here the Jets defense has always given on a more consistent, a better chance to win than our offense has. Put, Stafford or Newton for 3 years under Shotty and then compare. Listen, all im saying its time for this offense to go in another direction away from Shotty and see what happens, with MS or not. All the other NFL offenses dont have problems getting the ball to their play makers, like our beloved Jets do under the horrible play calling under SHOTTY.!! HAPPY NEW YEAR to Jet Nation and to the staff on Randy’s Radar…

  35. By joe on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Guys THIS THIS THE NFL (for the hundreth time )offencive shymes are predicated upon the ABILITY OF THE PLAYERS AT HAND, REX and Schotty just didnt wake up one day and say were a run first team (THEY KNOW THEIR PERSONAL CAPABILITYS)For the people in FANTASYLAND changing the oc on a 50 game QB aint going to do it .Shannohan (GREAT OFFENCIVE COACH )HE CANT CHANGE Grossman into Elway. Shanchez has been playing organized football 20 years 9GOD KNOWS HOW MANY PRACTICE TRAINING HOURS )SOME THINK A NEW OC wiith a few months of practice is going to give him superbowl qb ability MAN THATS A GREAT JOKE.

  36. By joe on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Sanchez doesnt have the personal to get it done THATS FUNNY THAN A RODNEY DANGERFIELD MOVIE.Oh the NFL they just hand out superbowl MVP TROPHYS TO ANYONE. NOT TO MENTION 3 PRO BOWLERS ON THE LINE The question LOMBARDI should have been asked was what would the JETS RECORD BE IF THEY HAS Brady Brees Rogers or Rothesburger.

  37. By joe on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    TOM JET FAN SINCE 64 ITS mind boggling as some have insane convilutions of reality on this site .People the NY JETS are in the shape their in NOT BECAUSE OF THE COACHING THE NY JETS ARE IN THE SHAPE THEIR IN BECAUSE OF ALL THE FAILURED NUMBER 1 AND NUMBER 2 DRAFT CHOICES THEY HAVE HAD THE PAST 4 YEARS. THE BEST COACH DOESNT WIN FOOTBALL GAMES TODAY for a team today the DIRECTER OF PLAYER PERSONAL WINS FOOTBALL GAMES FOR A TEAM

  38. By joe on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    A funny thing also happened to the INDY COLTS THIS YEAR THEY LOST JUST 1 GUY from their starting lineup and WENT FROM A WINNING CONTENDER TO THE WORST RECORD IN FOOTBALL. Interesting point FOR ALL THE EXCUSE- DREAMERS OUT THERE= the COLTS have FANTASTIC WIDE RECIEVERS but for some strange reason this year each and everyone of them has had their numbers reduce signifigantly WHY

  39. By joe on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    WHY WERE ON THE SUBJECT the Colts coach JIM CALDWELL has had a great record .THIS YEAR though (as we all know )his teams record is the worst in football I would like to hear a reason from all the EXCUSE DREAMERS out there as to how and why this happened .In less than a YEARS TIME CALDWELL FORGOT HOW TO COACH.(MUCH LIKE SHANNOHAN DID WHEN HE WENT FROM DENVER TO WASH)The SUPERBOWL RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES TODAY A TEAM without a A PRO BOWL CALIBER QB ISNT GOING TO WIN THE SB You guys can TRY TO BLAME THE OC WRS OL ECT ECT as your only fooling yourselves from the real truth that SANCHEZ SIMPLY ISNT GOOD ENOUGH.

  40. By joe on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    SCJOE your dead on correct about the Pats D i might also add that the GB PACKERS also have a bad defence LOL HOW CAN these 2 teams be odds on favored to win the superbowl its impossible as they have bad defences ,offences that dont care about establishing the run ect.I know how it must be their off cord .Brady has a new cord every other year and it really influences him.

  41. By joe on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    AS PER THE NFL NETWORK every playoff theam there is EXCEPT BALT PITT SF have amoung the worst DEFENCES IN FOOTBALL .The SAINTS PACKERS PATS ARE THE WORST OR THE WORST

  42. By Westcoast GangGreen on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    joe.. again you make good points about MS ability not to grow into the leader we thought he would be. Schotty is a below average OC at best. And, you keep kicking that dead horse about Shannohan not changing Grossman. Even MS is better than Grossman, but Shannohan is not the a great offensive coach, Elway made him the coach he is, he didn’t win before or since Mr Elway. Anyway, the years before MS arrived under Schotty the offense was nothing to brag about and hasn’t changed. Even you have to agree the Jets have to divorse themselfs from Schotty you state MS is a 50 game starter, how many games do the Jets give Schotty? He’s had talent on offense and still has not made them into a feared offensive unit and never will…

  43. By Westcoast GangGreen on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    … Joe if you were the GM what exactly would you do to our beloved Gang Green Jets..?

  44. By Westcoast GangGreen on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    tom 64 , you state about the 50 mill contract that MS has, not all of it is guranteed, and he’ll be entering the 4th yr of it. You think the guaranteed part of it has to be paid already. Don’t you think if at all this would be the time to change the QB..??

  45. By Tom Spicer on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Joe, Schotty has the same terrbile play calling when Favre was his QB. So I dont buy a OC change can not make a difference. Also it took ELI 8 years to become a elite QB so that 50 start comment is garbage. QBS usally take there big steps between there 3rd & 5th year which would be between 50 & 80 starts Mark has 51 starts right now. Prior to the start of this season Mike Kay on 1050 ESPN radio had a interview with Eli & asked him if he was elite. He said yes the entire tri state area laughed at him they thought he was crazy he always had more turnovers than TDS every year. This year in his 8th year he FINALLY put it together.

  46. By Tom Spicer on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    SCJoe, I am not sure if you misunderstood me or if I did not make my point clear I was not comparing Mark to any QB in the NFL. What I was saying was this year the 1 Jet D, 2 O line, 3 running game & 4 WR core is worse than Mark has had in his 3 years with us. If one of the 4 above spots is better or even the same as other years please let me know cause I think all 4 are clearly WORSE!

  47. By scjoe on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    Ok Spice, I see your point and I will say this. I think you, and some others as well are really underestimating this WR core. See, I think the problem lies within the QB and how and where the ball is delivered to them rather then the WRs. Both Plax and Holmes proved they are more then capable on other teams. I have seen way to many passes far off target to both of these WRs. The D on the other hand, I agree with you, but, I have made the point previously about Tom Brady and the NE D and how it has not effected what he does one bit. The O line? In all honesty I think the only spot that has been downgraded since MS 1st season is RT. The running game? I agree 100%

  48. By joe on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    WEST COAST GANG GREEN ,SPICER YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO RATIONALIZE football from a fans perspective WHO HAS NEVER BEEN AROUND the game on a professional level.This is the NFL (NOT THE LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL TEAM )COACHES COACHES PLAYERS PLAY.NO COACH CAN GIVE A 50 GAME NFL PLAYER THE ABILITY HE DOESNT HAVE.If you would bother to check AROUND THE LEAGUE SHANNOHAN is considered A GREAT OFFENCIVE COACH ( How do you think he got 2 head positions)THE REASON I BROUGH HIM UP IS when a coach has a HOF QB he guys talent MAKES him GREAT not the COACH.

  49. By joe on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    WEST COAST GANG GREEN let me say this since a couple of associates of mine played for SHANNOHAN if you would bother to check HE HAS A GREAT OFFENCIVE REPUTATION( lol billionare owners just dont hire these guys for the hell of it )Coaches coach players play NO OC CHANGE is going to magically give Mark Sanchezs (whos started 50 nfl games )ABILITY HE DOESNT HAVE Its a pure fans fantasy.Brady gets a new OC every 2 years does it ever change him

  50. By joe on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    How do you fix the Jets YOU CHANGE THE DIRECTER OF PLAYER PERSONAL .THE JETS ARE IN THE SPOT THEIR IN BECAUSE OF ALL THE FAILED DRAFT CHOICE NOT BECAUSE of Rex or Schotty Do you guys think Tomlin Bellichick McCarthy WIN BECAUSE THEY KNOW MORE Xand Os than other coaches Tomlin Bellichick MCCarthy WIN because their scouting depts drafted better talent (ESP AT QB )than other coaches.Bellichick is revered to be a great defencive coach this year his d stinks because he doesnt have the talent

  51. By joe on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    Spicer HELLO SANCHEZ has SEVERE LIMITATIONS (.You might not think he does but then again last time i checked you were not employed in any capacity as talent evaluater ) DO YOU THINK D CORD employ certain skymes against him for the hell of it ,do you think his own coaches say the Jets are a run first team for the hell of it )These limitations CAN NOT BE CHANGED BY COACHING OR OVER TIME(HES STARTED 50 GAMES YOU BASICALLY GOT WHAT YOU GOT ) .Specifically HIS POCKET AWARENESS FIELD PRESCENCE and downfield throwing ability are SEVERLY LACKING.E Manning has god given talents SANCHEZ will never have thats why he evolved.

  52. By joe on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    pS SPICER there also an ALUMNI BOOK published by the NFL PLAYERS ASSOCIATION containing addresses and phone numbers (hope not in hot water saying this on a PUBLIC FORUM )But again since you know show much about the game you should have access to all of this.

  53. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    I think the Jets would be crazy to pay Sanchez a dime in bonus money, Westcoast, whether you want to make excuses for him or not he hasn’t had anything resembling a bonus yr. Spicer, I think you’re living in the past a bit about the development of QBs, especially those picked in the Top 10. You think Bradford and McCoy are gonna get 3-5 yrs? Did JaMarkus Russell? What teams are looking for are guys like Brady, Ben R., Ryan, Newton, and Dalton, who basically take the question of whether they’re gonna make it off the table in their 1st or at latest 2nd yr, then simply get better. No way the Jets give the Sanchez we have now anything like 80 starts. And you can’t wait 8 yrs for a QB to become elite because by then he’s almost ready to retire.

  54. By GaryC on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    jet fan tom, if a qb is ready to retire after eight years then why do we have Burress at all,A quarterback doesn’t have to run as much as a wideout and if he is close to retire then a slow wideout needs to retire quicker.

  55. By joe on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    Jet Fan 64 TOM great post as SPICER thinks its 1985.ACORDINGLY the average nfl career is approx 3.5 years.Tom i am telling you i SHOW some of these posts to the guys i used to live with and thay laugh like crazy .My business partner played alongside Strahan ON THE GIANTS D LINE 2000 SUPERBOWL.and we often talk out the differences in ordinary players and the elite ones .In the first few weeks of practices (NO MATTER HOW raw A ROOKIE IS) the pro bowl type guy will exhibit attributes the normal NFL GUY DOESNT HAVE CONT

  56. By joe on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    Jet Fan Since 64 TOM dont you realize the reason SANCHEZ plays like he has is mainly because of the oc and wrs . On the oc issue take the PATS ,BRADY has a new OC every 2 years and look what it does for him In regards to the wideouts the past few years the COLTS WIDE OUTS were putting up great numbers.This year the very same guys are terrible( its got to be the coach or OC )Tom these people just refuse to understand the fact that an elite qb makes the team an entirely different entity .As Francessa said last week ITS NO LONGER THE PATS SAINTS OR PACKERS NOW IN TODAYS NFL ITS TEAM BRADY TEAM BREES TEAM ROGERS .

  57. By joe on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    SC JOE they are only fooling themselves THE PATS PACK SAINTS are the best teams in football because they have the best qbs in football.(EVERYTHING PALES IN COMPARASION ).ITS LAUGHABLE for them to say our wr arent good enough .How could anyone dream of that one since theres no one to get them the ball.As per the above apparently the COLTS WRS suddenly became terrible as well .Its AMAZING without Payton how their numbers dropped in a year

  58. By Tom Spicer on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, Dalton has taken nothing off of the table last year Bradford, Freeman & Flacco were all better than Mark now where are all these guys?

  59. By Tom Spicer on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, Alex Smith was terrible for 7 years he got a new coach who plays to his strentghs 7 years later he is having a career year. Brees was a average QB until he went to the Saints & got a new coach now he is the man. Rivers was okay until he got Norv Turner up until this down year he was the man. But a coaching change cant help CMON MAN!

  60. By cgb on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    talented QB,S in this league transend the game and have great years not only because of their talent but because of the system they developed in and the coaches and players that surround them. Look at the team,not as much as the individual, and you will see it takes alot of moving parts for a player or team to excel.

  61. By joe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer how many NFL PLAYERS HAVE you ever been associated with in your life (LIVED WITH TRAINED WITH WORKED WITH ECT )You have absolutely positively no experiance with ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE IN THIS MATTER .YOUR DEALING WITH PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS HERE Spicer .If you had ANY PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE at all you would realize just how absurd the post you make are i said before my buddys who actuallY PLAYED IN THE NFL for years read your posts and just LAUGH

  62. By joe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    BREE was AN AVERAGE QB untill he got a new coach thats beyond WRONG- TYPICAL SPICER

  63. By joe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    SPICER next month i believe theres an NFL ALUMNI payers association meeting in MANHATTEN My dream would be for you to come in there and after the meeting EXPLAIN SPICERS THEORYS ABOUT PRO FOOTBALL to some of the guys i used to live with .No that would be funny

  64. By joe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    He SPICER for like the 5 th time in BRADYS CAREER HES LOSING HIS OC (PENN STATE )OH MY what will become of BRADY without his coach

  65. By Westcoast GangGreen on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64′ good point about the bonuses. and im not making excusese for MS his play this year speaks for him. Im asking you guys, if there is a good time to get rid of MS, isn’t it the right time now money wise this off season since all NFl contacts are not all guaranteed like other major sports…? I frankly would want to see how MS would do in new offensive scheme thats all. And,Joe what do you and your business partner really think of Schotty as an OC.. Would you hire him??

  66. By joe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    More batted down balls than i can count, halves of NFL football without completitions to wide recievers interior d lineman making interceptions qb tangables LACKING OF COLLEGE KIDS thats our 50 game qb some think is cabable of leading us to a SB.

  67. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, what Dalton has done with Green alone is far beyond anything Bradford, Freeman, or Flacco were ever able to do in any of their yrs. If you think there’s any team in the league that would rather have any of those last 3 instead of the 1st one, dream on. GaryC, the speed angle is the only real pt you have about WRs. Plenty of them manage to do well past 7 or 8 yrs but if a QB isn’t wowing you by then, he’s either a career backup or on his way out. joe, I appreciate you emphasizing the importance of the QB, though the way Mark’s faring today vs the lowly Fish vs. the way Brady merely took a deep breath and picked them apart should be all anyone needs to know.

  68. By Tom Spicer on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, You said your business partner played for Nebraska in the 70′s now he played for the Giants in 2000? Really which one is it?

  69. By Harry on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez looks too much at his receivers..The defense knows where he is going to throw the ball.

  70. By Tom Spicer on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, Before Brees went to the Saints he never had more than 3,500 yards & he never had more than 29 TDS. Is that elite NO? & if it is why did they let him walk as a free agent . He did not become a Elite QB until he left the Charges GET A CLUE!

  71. By joe on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer my business partner captioned Nebraskas 1995 team and played for the Giants Colts and Bears.

  72. By joe on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer Hello BREES was also hurt Brees has attributes such as arm strength field prescence pocket awareness that Sanchez will never have

  73. By joe on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer feel free to google any of the following associates of mine (lived with work with trained with )Todd Burger ,Al Golden ,Mark Donofrio, Christian Peter, Jason Peter ,Mark Donofrio Frankie Ferrarra .Lets see SPICER we got a number 1 a number 2 DRAFT CHOICE 2 guys ALL AMERICANS one of the best college teams ever AND THE CURRENT HEAD COACH AT THE U .You got my list NOW GIVE ME YOURS Spicer.

  74. By Tom Spicer on Jan 3, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, So Brees was hurt every year he was with the Chargers? LOL I have never seen someone be more constantly wrong than you in my life stop posting you are embarrsing yourself

  75. By joe on Jan 3, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer did you google the above list .Brees has surgery on his throwing arm before HE BECAME GREAT .Spicer you forgot your list AND DONT TRY TO MAKE ONE UP because they all know one another and i will easily find out and post it right up here

  76. By Tom Spicer on Jan 4, 2012 | Reply

    1 Steve Gregory Curtis High School Staten Island New York went to Syracuse Starting saftey for the Chargers right now # 28 2 Rasheed Simmons Maryland also on the Giants 3 His roomate at Maryland my best freind Peter Timmins also from Staten Island captain for the Terps in 2001 4 & 5 The Legrand brothers from Curtis one went to Hofstra & the other went to BC 6 Peter Gambardella went to BU I played with him & he is now the head coach of Curtis 7 My cousin Rich Thomas also went to Curtis played at BU 8 Dyaln Desantis went to Curtis played for Uconn 9 Will Haskell Curtis Washington Huskies 10 Jeff Forde Curtis Wisconsin Badgers 11 & 12 Glenn Pedro & Javon Darling Susan Wagner both went to Marshall. A little before my time but I know them

  77. By Tom Spicer on Jan 4, 2012 | Reply

    13 Vernon Turner Curtis played for the Buccaners 14 James Jenkins Curtis Rutgers than the Redskins 15 Dino Maginero Curtis Cheifs 16 Gabe Magwa Curtis Packers. Frank Ferrarra is from Staten Island played D line for I think New Dorp then was a back up on the Giants he is in his 30′s. He wont know my nam eI have not seen him in years he would now my face & he would now Rasheed Simmons they were on the Giants at the exact same time. So now that is 6 guys I played with, 2 I played against, 6 I know thru my high school. Are we done with the ***ing contest yet?

  78. By Tom Spicer on Jan 4, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, Brees was on the Chargers for YEARS & was a AVERAGE QB your above post makes no sense.

  79. By joe on Jan 4, 2012 | Reply

    SPICER ILL BE AT DINNER WITH Frankie this weekend Any time you ever see him FREE FREE TO APPROACH HIM and tell him about this conversation.Spicer these guys i mentioned are some of my best friends not HE KNOWS ME BY FACE NOT BY NAME.YOUR NAMING GUYS YOU MET ONE TIME IN YOUR LIFE ARE YOU KIDDING ME never heard of HALF OF THESE GUYS BUT KENNY DAHMANN was a team capt at RUTGERS (R LUCAS WAS THERE )i lived with Kenny two years ill get him to call the guys you mentioned and well find out all about you.

  80. By joe on Jan 4, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer how many of them were number 1 draft choices and number 2 draft choices How many of them starred on probably the greatest college team ever .How many of them are head coach of one of the greatest programs ever .

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