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Grand Year? Shonn Greene Only Wants a Win

Posted by Andrew LeRay on December 30, 2011 – 3:01 pm

Updated, 4:41 p.m. ET

Hidden beneath the obvious enormity of the Jets’ upcoming tilt with the Miami Dolphins on Sunday is a subplot that was not likely earlier in the season. RB Shonn Greene has rebounded beautifully from a rough start to 2011 by knocking on the door of his first 1,000-yard rushing season.

The first four games of the year were unkind to Greene. Over the first quarter of the campaign, he had 157 yards on 51 carries, a shade over 3.0 yards per tote. Since then, he’s averaged 4.5 yards per carry.

“He’s had a good year,” said head coach Rex Ryan. “When you look at him, he had some tough sledding early in the season but he started coming on. This is the time of year when he usually does the most damage. We hope to give him not only this opportunity on Sunday but more opportunities.”

It’s reasonable to think that the first 1,000-yard season of a young running back’s career would be a major milestone, but Greene didn’t even know exactly where he stood until he was told today that he’s at 999 yards. He admitted knowing he was close to the landmark but not that he was only one yard away.

“It doesn’t even matter,” said Greene. “We’re just trying to get this win. I’ve been saying that since I got here. We’re just trying to win games.”

In addition to Greene crossing the 1,000-yard barrier, another Jets tailback will attempt to add another accolade to his own legend. RB LaDainian Tomlinson is only 34 yards behind RB Jerome Bettis as the NFL’s fifth-leading rusher of all time.

Tomlinson is a free agent at the season’s end. Whether he stays, signs elsewhere or ultimately decides to retire, he has had profound impact on the younger Greene in his two-year tenure with the Jets.

“He means a lot to my success and to this team’s success,” said Greene. “He’s a Hall of Fame player. If he decides to hang it up, it’s too bad but it’s well-deserved. He’s done about everything you can as a running back in this league.”

The two backs will shoot for their respective benchmarks against a hungry Dolphins squad that no one in the locker room takes lightly.

“They’ve been playing hard lately,” said Greene. “Even though they don’t have a chance [for the playoffs], they’ve been playing hard. Teams like that are the most dangerous.”

Ryan and his team know the danger of travelling to Miami to play at Sun Life Stadium. Ryan wouldn’t go so far as to guarantee a victory over the Fish on Sunday. However, that didn’t prevent him from guaranteeing something else.

“I know how I am with my guarantees,” said Rex, “but I guarantee Shonn goes over 1,000.”

Injury Update

Dolphins RB Reggie Bush has been ruled out for Sunday’s game with a knee injury. Miami’s leading rusher finishes the season with a career-best 1,086 yards on the ground and added six rushing touchdowns. Today in Miami, interim coach Todd Bowles said “a combo of people” will fill in for Bush, among them Lex Hilliard, Steve Slaton and rookie Daniel Thomas.

Dolphins CB Jimmy Wilson is listed as doubtful with a hamstring injury, and WR Clyde Gates, Miami’s kickoff returner, is questionable with a groin injury.

The Jets turn in a surprisingly clean bill of health for Week 17, with only one player listed as questionable. LB Garrett McIntyre injured his knee on the opening kickoff of last week’s game against the Giants, and practiced in a limited capacity on Friday after not having practiced at all earlier in the week. He will make the trip to South Florida and a decision will be made on his availability prior to gametime. In addition to his linebacking duties, McIntyre is a major contributor on special teams, where he has totaled 18 tackles this season.

All the other injured Jets are listed as probable for Sunday, including CB Antonio Cromartie (hamstring), who appeared on the injury report for the first time today and was limited during team drills.

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62 Responses to “Grand Year? Shonn Greene Only Wants a Win”

  1. By wayne on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Nothing against the kid. He’ll get a grand, but he’s not a lead guy. They may have to let him go. He’s gonna want #1 money and they can’t do that… This QB needs a run game(Ganaway, and not just because of lastnite)to be at his best. What’s the point with a playaction QB with nothing to play action off.Obviously a run blocking RT and a whole bunch of speed in the defensive front 7. Don’t matter how fast your S are if you can’t make things happen up front………THIS IS JUST A SLOW TEAM………………………………………OC says he expects to be back………………………………………………………………….

  2. By Nep Oznat on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Rex: “Schotty will be back next year unless he gets a head coaching job.”

    Gee thanks, Rex! I wasn’t feeling bad enough the team so you had to go make it worse. And a Happy New Year to you too!

    PS. When it costs you your job at the end of next season you’ll be blaming him but the rest of us will know exactly who is to blame.

  3. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Nothing Rex says needs to be taken all that seriously, Nep. He’s on thin ice himself.

  4. By Jim on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Worried? Why be worried? I’m not worried. These are the Jets.

  5. By sal on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Liked Meyers article on Payton`s realistic chance`s of coming on board. Put a little sense to what happened this season, The impact it would have on NY/NJ football would be enoromous

  6. By joeyjets12fla on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    not just jake long but reggie bush is out also. now we should not only get some pressure on the qb but i think this make them one dimensional. a win and alot of help. maybe just maybe something positive can start happening.

  7. By Jersey Joe on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Good Grief – Just saw a report that the Jets will keep Schottenheimer next year according to Rex unless (Junior) get a Head Coaching Job – Now every time Rex opens his mouth he sounds like a used cars salesman – “Head coaching Job” where ? Rutgers? Akron? Many think Schotty has been exposed as a guy in way over his head as OC – Jets offense is bordering on “laughingstock” this year – The 1000 yard season for a RB lost it’s luster 25 years ago, it’s the most meaningless stat in football, breaks down to about 63 yards a game. A bum could get that – a big time back gets 65 yards in one drive! A Ground and Pound team should have 3 (1000) yard backs !

  8. By danny on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    If Shottyyy comes back we need to all Boycott Jets games PERIOD. This is our NY Jets not Rex. No one wants to go thru another season sitting on our couches calling what Shotty is gonna run before each play. I still get sick about PITT Champ game last yr where we have 1st and goal on the 3yd line and Shotty calls 3 passes in a row then runs LT up the middle to get stuffed. Btw MS would have been a SB QB if Shotty don’t screw that up so he was good enough last yr to take team to SB. Shottyyyy is the problem and why he’s regressed

  9. By wayne on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Please with the Peyton to the Jets. Anyone take a look at the Colts? They got a bunch a needs…..The Jets neither have draft picks or players to make the trade….Unless they give up draft picks over several years………………….There are teams with more picks higher up in draft who could offer more………….NOT GONNA HAPPEN……………..SANTA CLAUS DON’T LIVE IN INDIANAPOLIS.

  10. By wayne on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    I believe the OC is coming back not one moment before the season starts with him there.

  11. By joe on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Does anybody KNOW CARE ECT IF THE PATS PACKERS SAINTS have a 1000 yard rusher It must mean alot as evidenced by their records

  12. By cgb on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    no way manning comes to to this team. Unless we get 2 more solid starting lineman rt tackle and left guard.I think his neck injury is suspect ,were better then fine with sanchez. I do not think shotty will get a head coaching job this off season. Yes that means shotty will be back. If no one is going to say it then i will. shotty is a class act, and is a good offensive coordinator. We just need the right pieces in place for his system to be effective. more consistency with familiar pieces will be better. still need to upgrade o-line, WR,RB,and a healthy cumberland to play along side keller. Sanchez will benefit with same coaches and same system. All you fans clamering for knew OC will be dissapointed next year when we take another step back

  13. By scjoe on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    For a starting RB a 1000 yard season is a good barometer (in a 14 game season) not so much for a 16 game season. Among other things, this team needs an elite RB. Greene is a very good complementary back, but he don’t scare to many people out in the open field. For all you guys constantly clamoring for a 6’5″ WR, we have two of them in Plax and Turner, so what is the point? They are pro wideouts, I’m pretty sure they can catch the ball if it were delivered with any type of accuracy at all. So why do we need to get rid of them and get two others?

  14. By Tom Spicer on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    I got this from Mike Lombardi “The Jets cannot run the ball effectively; they rank 30th in the NFL in rushing average and their longest run of the season is just 25 yards. How did this happen? The Jets believed that Shonn Greene was their star back, that he could carry the offense because he was so good in ’09 during the playoff run. Yet Greene is not a big-time, full-time back. He has proved that this year. He is more of a change-of-pace back, as he struggles to catch and make explosive plays, and his lack of run skills puts the burden back on the quarterback”

  15. By Tom Spicer on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    He also said this “For all the talk and hoopla around their signing of receiver Plaxico Burress to give them more big-play ability at receiver, he has failed to deliver. In fact, he is only a threat in the red zone, where he can use his size to create separation. He is slow on tape and there is not a corner in the league who is afraid to challenge him. Therefore, the coverage is rolled to Santonio Holmes, whose yards per reception average (12.8) is down almost two yards from his career average. With no one on the other side to help take away the coverage, Holmes’ longest play of the season is just 35 yards.

  16. By Steve on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    Sal, the idea of PM coming on board is ludicrous… It’s not like the Jets are one player away from becoming a Super Bowl team, they need to fill a lot of holes. Besides, how much are the Jets willing to spend on a QB, now matter who it is, that may be one neck injury from ending his career. And lets not forget the Favre fiasco. Start drafting seriously and forget about high priced free agents. It’s obvious it doesn’t work. I’d rather go through some tough years building a team through the draft then this win now mentality the Jets seem to embrace.

  17. By Tom Spicer on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    I was thinking that Plax & Greene are both free agents I am not sure if either will be back & if they are I dont think we will be breaking the bank for either of them. Both may even be told they will be the 2nd back & the 3rd WR. Based off of this years O I would not be suprised if either all of free agency or the first 3 rounds of the draft were RT, WR & RB. I say free agency OLB, WR & RT we need proven guys at those spots. Than draft RB 1st round & saftey 2nd round. Rounds 3 thru 7 just get depth at multiple spots. We have 7 picks this year. We are getting nothing for Mason he was cut by the Texans & the pick we got for Lowery we lost cause we got a guard from the Packers. I picked OLB, WR & RT for free agency cause we have to improve

  18. By Tom Spicer on Dec 30, 2011 | Reply

    our pass rush. We need to give our QB a great WR to throw to & we have to improve the O line. RB & saftey I think we can take shots in the draft. If the RB or safety is not great we can survive with Green & the same safteys. A good pass rush will make our saftyes look better & a better o line will make our RB & QB better.

  19. By JDunn on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    I think its funny people think Rex is on thin ice…SERIOUSLY….Hes not perfect but come one maaaaaannnnn!!!!!…2 AFC Championships in his 1st to years..LOL with players he didnt draft(most of them)…ill take Rex over any other Coach who is available…I smell coffee….lol

  20. By Karan on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    This team will never ever win a superbowl with Schottenheimer around. But the coaching staff seems to be so ignorant to this fact so they probably won’t release him. Who the heck would want Schottenheimer as a head coach? I would never….. I hope he gets a head coaching job though and goes to Miami, just please, get out of here, we hate you.

  21. By Karan on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I think Rex Ryans got to go to. I’m sick of his brash talking which always embarrasses the organization and the fact that he defends Schottenheimer makes me sick.

  22. By joeyjets12fla on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    to everyone from the keller storiy. ref:manning. if we were to get him sanchez is gone. a manning deal is 2 years. mark played for 3 then sit him for 2 not happening. trade him to seattle great, but who or what are they giving up?mcelroy now becomes the student, and 6-2 doesn’t bother me, bress is only 6-0 and 205 lbs. greens catching out of the backfield has improved so he’s our 3rd down back now get a down hill runner and a wr that can stretch the field. schottie goes, moores here, you shore up the o-line and some speed on defense. and ya never know. hey everyone has a wish list

  23. By GaryC on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    We don’t have a frontline pass rusher as good as JASON,PIERRE OR PAUL.let alone putting them all together.

  24. By GaryC on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    thank you Spicer on that lovely update of Lombardi on Plastico,please relay it to jet fan tom,too many people thought by osmosis Plastico was going to lead the jets down to the yellow brick road to the super bowl,too bad being in Indy I will be closer than the jets.you don’t win football games by having receivers who need to be timed by an hourglass.This is why the giants in many cases are better than jets, they never look for short term fixes, draft well, aren’t concerned what the media thinks of them,and as a jet fan you have to admire them.I have to bite my tongue on that.

  25. By GaryC on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    I believe Rex has insecurtiy issues, keeping shotty makes rex look like Lombardi, Vince not Michael.

  26. By scjoe on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    Spicer, I did address the WR position a couple of posts back, but let me say this,if you truly believe that the blame falls entirely on the WRs all you have to do is look at Indy this year and you will see the exact same receiving core they had last year but with a different QB. The numbers are worlds apart. Point being a “good” QB makes an average WR good and he can make an above average WR ELITE! It really isn’t fair to place all of the blame on the WRs. The RB position I will agree with you, although, I have given examples in the past (Detroit NE, and GB) where there is not an elite RB to be found, but it hasn’t hurt the passing game in any of those places to much.

  27. By SOCALJETFAN on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply


  28. By GaryC on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    If Shotty is back, jet fans need to have an OCCUPY FLORAM PARK,to have their voice heard.

  29. By GaryC on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    scjoe, just because your a big receiver doesn’t mean your a good receiver,Matt Jones was 6’6 with Jacksonsville and he didn’t make it,He did have personal issues but even if your big that doesn’t stamp you as good,like you seem to think about Burress and Turner.

  30. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    Jersey Joe, it’s Rex who’s in over his head. And let’s stop with 2 AFC championship games, it’s not like we scared the NFL getting there or did so well in either one. Anyone who can’t see at this pt that what Rex says changes day to day isn’t paying attention. A day after he makes a ridiculous remark about running the ball 60 times, somebody pulls him aside (hopefully Mr. Johnson, more likely Namath), and tells him how the game is played today and maybe tells him to watch the NO-ATL tape. The next day he’s out there saying we need “more explosion plays.” What Rex says about Sanchez and Schotty isn’t worth a damn, all 3 may be gone before Rex even knows what hit him. GaryC, I never said Plax was elite but he’d be better with a better QB.

  31. By cgb on Dec 31, 2011 | Reply

    talk to mike T. about why the jets offense failed this year ,gary C. look at last years stats offensively,not bad was on the rise could have been better even this year. look at sanchez #’s this year better completion percentage, more TD’S, more passing yards,less interceptions.We had more loses and mark had more fumbles. thats the positive and the negative. I dont think for 1 second that the poor o-line play and lack of chemistry with the receiving corp. is the main reason for the jets poor play.but overall people still think mark has regressed this year.well the stats dont lie, he had a better year and the jets played worse for the reasons i mentioned before.

  32. By joe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    SC JOE i mentioned that exact point to SPICER IN ANOTHER THREAD (when SPICER IS FOUND WRONG ON A REBUTTAL SINCE HE NEVER HAS THE CORRECT ANSWER HE IGNORES IT )The exact thing can be applyied to the COLTS in reference to COACHING Untill this year Jim Caldwells record hss been GREAT.This years its horrible. Some (who want to change our OC) DONT REALIZE A COACH IS ONLY AS GOOD AS HIS TALENT ESP AT QB Did Caldwell suddenly forget how to coach or did something happen to PAYTON

  33. By joe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply


  34. By Tom Spicer on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, After all of these years I think you know me better than that. I was just posting something that I read about Plax cause guys on this site fail to realize that the 2011 Plax is not the 2007 Plax. Some posters still say oh Mark has all these weapons when he really doesnt we have 1 expolsive playmaker.

  35. By Tom Spicer on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets needs in what I think is the order of importance. 1 Right Tackle if you cant block for the QB you cant win. Alot of guys said Rivers was a elite QB coming into this year he lost his 2 best O lineman & he was a mess this year compared to prior years. 2 Pass rusher we need to be able to put pressure on the Bradys of the world its the only way to beat them 3 WR we need to put as many weapons as possible around the QB to give him a chance to do well 4 saftey do I have to say why? 5 RB we need a guy who take the ball to the house if he gets a big hole someone who can compete with Greene for the starting job 6 OC we need a guy who has a proven track record. a guy who throws the ball down the field & has a history of developing young QBS

  36. By Tom Spicer on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    7 a punter why did we let go of Weathford 8 a kicker I cringe everytime Folk goes to kick. 3 of these 8 we had prior to letting W

  37. By Tom Spicer on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry typo 3 of the above 8 we had prior to letting Woody, Braylon, Cotchery & Weathford go.

  38. By GaryC on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe, you make the point about the colt receivers, how their receptions have gone down,well could it be that they went from Manning to probably the worst backup in the league in Painter,who never got reps in camp because Manning wants them all.that would happen with any receiving group.That is why they are STARTING QBS.

  39. By GaryC on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    cgb,the jets miscalculated plain and simple, with no training camp you do not change three quarters of your receivers with a developing quarterback.And sorry bringing in tom moore with different ideas than shotty doesn’t help either, go with one or the other.Getting used to different receivers, two offensvie coordinators and a suspect offensive line,it was like going into war with a pea shooter.

  40. By joe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply


  41. By joe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    PS Rivers is a good qb in absolutely no way is he AN ELITE QB .ELITE QBS CAN SINGLEHANDIDLY DETERMINE A GAMES OUTCOME (Manning Rothesburger Rogers Brees Brady ) .ALL OF THEM HAVE SUPERBOWL RINGS FOR A REASON

  42. By joe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply


  43. By joe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Spicer your all pro qb just threw his third int of the game (WITH 4 MINUTES left hes avg 5 yards a throw )BRADY BREES ROTHESBURGER MANNING ROGERS LOOK OUT.It must be the coaching

  44. By joe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Hey SPICER SANCHEZ MAY be elite because today he singlehandidly determined the outcome of the game .I believe the DOLPHINS gave him the game ball.

  45. By JustinianP on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    If Shottenheimer isn’t gone by the end of the day tomorrow, I am done with this team. He should have been fired two years ago, and last year, but this year, the offense was unbelievably painful to watch. His play calling is atrocious. How he has lasted this long is beyond me when in each of his six years as oc the offense has been between mediocre to awful.

  46. By JustinianP on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    How do you not have drafting a legit edge rusher as one of their top needs?

  47. By Tom Spicer on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, This is your comment & it is COMPLETELY WRONG! “WE CANT RUN THE BALL NOW (DUE TO A LARGE PART )BECAUSE D CORD KNOW KNOW OF SANCHEZS VERY LIMITED ABILITY TO BEAT THEM accordingly have adapted” REALLY? 2 years ago our QB was way worse & we were the # 1 running team in the NFL. Tebow cant throw to save his life & the other teams know it the Broncos are still the #1 running team in the NFL. The Texans are the #2 running team in the NFL starting a rookie 3rd string QB. SORRY it has nothing to do with the QB it is the O line & the running back. Specifically for the Jets its replacing Alan Faneca & Damien Woody 2 guys with multiple pro bowls & multiple Super Bowls & replacing them with SCRUBS like Slauson & Hunter.

  48. By Tom Spicer on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, Your above comment about I dont admit when I am wrong is funny cause when I said Rex never guarnateed a Super Bowl than I found out he did I came to this site & said I was wrong.

  49. By Tom Spicer on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, Where you talking about yourself when you said you cant admit when you are wrong? Like when you said Big Ben was a elite QB when he won his first Super Bowl & I proved you wrong by showing these garbage stats he had that year. I will show you again 2,385 yards 20 TDS & 9 turnovers. THEY WERE A RUNNING TEAM! That was the regular season than the Super Bowl where he was the worst rated QB EVER in the HISTORY of the Super Bowl! For the game rated 22, 123 yards, ZERO TDS & 2 TURNOVERS. LOL YEA HE WAS ELITE!

  50. By scjoe on Jan 1, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, first of all, I didn’t put Plax and Turner in the HOF, what I did say was that both are more then adequate if the QB could get the ball to them with at least a reasonable amount of accuracy, and I will stand by that statement because it is true. As for Painter in Indy? He has been there long enough to know the system, he had a full camp and pre season and more then half a reg season, he was selected by the Colts coaching staff to be their starter, so whats your point? Bottom line, if the QB puts the WRs in a position to make the catch and get those all important YAC , like Peyton does,any will succeed, our QB can’t do that with any kind of consistency.

  51. By Tom Spicer on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, That statement is false Brunell has been here for years does that mean if we put him in the game he is going to do well. Noe he is not either you are good or you are not. The Colts planned poorly in not having a good backup Painter is terrible.

  52. By scjoe on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, first, we don’t know what Brunell could do as a starter for a few games or more, how could we? The situation never arose. Secondly, with your logic, the Indy Colts, the same Indy Colts that win their division every year and have been in two SBs in recent years must have the most incompetent front office and coaching staff in the land to select Painter as their b/u QB and eventually as their starter. Third, you say Painter is terrible, and maybe he is, but what exactly do you see in Sanchez that makes you so confident he can ever be a “decent” starting QB in the NFL? I respect your confidence in him, but I just don’t see what you see.

  53. By joe on Jan 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer how come anybody that ever replys to anything YOU EVER SAY ON HERE ALWAYS STARTS OUT THE SENTENCE WITH SPICER YOUR WRONG.Spicer how come the NFL MVP award 8 out of the past 10 years has gone to a qb Spicer how come the Pats change cord every 2 years and it doesnt matter Spicer how come Andersons stats are better than Bradshaw yet BRADSHAW was easily the better qb Spicer STATS MEAN NOTHING LOL THE ONLY PERSON YOU HAVE EVER PROVEN WRONG IS YOURSELF.

  54. By Tom Spicer on Jan 3, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, You say stats mean nothing but you constantly say you are what your recoed says you are? Are you not contridicting yourself in saying that?

  55. By joe on Jan 3, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer YOU ABSOLUTELY POSITEVLY CAN NOT GRADE a QB by using stats is what iam saying .Spicer GET IT STRAIGHT the only thing that matters in this league is winning the SUPERBOWL thats it .(You ALWAYS take a meaningless stat AND superimpose it to TRY TO JUSTIFY YOU POINTS ) Ialways bring up BRADSHAW in reference to the above Many qb in BRADSHAWS ERA (ANDERSON FOR ONE )HAD WAY BETTER STATS.So what THE stats didnt make them better qbs as only a FOOL would ever think Ken Anderson was better than Bradshaw.

  56. By joe on Jan 3, 2012 | Reply

    pS SPICER STILL WAITING for you to answer my above post in reference to mvp award Brady ect.When you posted you somehow forgot to answer.

  57. By Tom Spicer on Jan 4, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, They always give that award to the QB what excatly is your point?

  58. By joe on Jan 4, 2012 | Reply

    Wrong as usual SPICER (AS 2 RUNNING BACKES HAVE WON IT THE PAST 10 YEARS )Spicer what does most valuable PLAYER mean .(ITS NOT BEST QB ITS BEST PLAYER .

  59. By Tom Spicer on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, Still not sure what your point is they give it to a QB every year. Even when it was a run first league they still gave it to a QB. You make no point in your statement.

  60. By joe on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    SPICER what are you talking about SHAUN ALEXANDER won it a few years ago (GOOGLE AP NFL MVP)Spicer are you ever correct about ANYTHING YOU EVER POST.The NFL MVP is given to the best player in the NFL -if that happens to be a qb that says it all

  61. By joe on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    ps TO PUT IT IN EXACT TERMS S ALEXANDER 2005 WINNER l L TOMLANISON 2006 WINNER.Spicer last time i checked these two guys were RB NOT QB WHICH LEADS US TO THE FACT THAT QBS DONT WIN IT EVERY YEARS .All of the above in accord with SPICER last post lead us to another fact SPICER IS WRONG AS USUAL.

  62. By Tom Spicer on Jan 8, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, Are you serious REALLY? When I said a QB wins it every year I meant most of the time. Did you really not get that?

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