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Sparano Announced as New Offensive Coordinator

Posted by Randy Lange on January 11, 2012 – 12:02 pm

Updated, 12:15 p.m. ET

The Jets have just announced that Tony Sparano has been named their offensive coordinator. Sparano replaces Brian Schottenheimer, who announced Tuesday that he would not return as the Jets’ offensive coordinator for the 2012 season.

Sparano became the eighth head coach in Miami Dolphins history on Jan. 16, 2008. In his first season he led the Dolphins to an equaling of the greatest turnaround in NFL history as Miami “moved the hyphen” from 1-15 to 11-5 and captured the team’s first AFC East title since 2000. Sparano had spent the previous five seasons (2003-07) on the Dallas staff, during which time the Cowboys made three playoff appearances. He tutored the Cowboys’ offensive line the last three years there and also held the title of assistant head coach the final two seasons. He coached the team’s tight ends his first two seasons in Dallas.

Prior to joining the Cowboys, Sparano had NFL stops in Cleveland (1999-2000), Washington (2001) and Jacksonville (2002). His career head-coaching record, after leaving the Dolphins after 13 games this season, is 29-33.

Sparano, 50, born in West Haven, Conn., was a four-year letterman as a center at the University of New Haven, where he earned his degree in criminal law. He began his coaching career at his alma mater in 1984 before moving on to Boston University as offensive coordinator in 1989. He returned to New Haven as the school’s head coach in 1994 and manned that spot for the next five years.

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211 Responses to “Sparano Announced as New Offensive Coordinator”

  1. By AK_JET on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    No excuses now, let be the most physical ground and pound team is nfl history, sanchez can back up Mcelroy, draft some studs, lets go Jets.

  2. By Zambo on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I am excited about this! Great presense on the team and now if they bring in Haley, their will be that inforcer on the offensive side of the ball (along with Sparano of course), so these holmes antics don’t happen and so on. Excited about the 2012 season, but in the offseason we gotta be aggressive about getting playmakers at saftey, a sure thing right tackle and go after Upshaw from Alabama. If that is done, which i think all phases will, I will be a very happy Jet fan.

  3. By Zambo on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    McElroy starting, hahaha you’re kidding right?!

  4. By sal on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    amazin how each season theytook something away, one game away, the pittsburg game was the closest, one tackle, i likesparno, he makes sense if woodygets tired of rex,and what about tatenbaum will they have Parcells lurking around. On a serious nnot , is Tom Moore still a consultant at this point?

  5. By Karan on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Hire Todd Haley and keep Tom Moore and we shall be alright!

  6. By Karan on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    What is up with the Jets players? when did they get so immature?? my god! its so embarrassing, all they do is talk, i blame Rex for this. Why are they calling out Sanchez?? Look at yourselves first and see what you need to approve on. I know Mark needs to be a leader and the Jets baby him too much but seriously, you don’t call out your QB like that, its like a zoo in there. I hope Nick Mangold is right when he tweeted these are false statements. But Mark, regardless of what sources say, you do need to be more of a leader, Mark was a pretty good leader in season 2 of his young career, he needs to go back to that and add more. But seriously, the Jets zoo needs to shut down, stop criticizing your own players.

  7. By Karan on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Rex needs to get this locker room under control, it was fine the first 2 years, now its just ridiculous.

  8. By Ray on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    This has to be one of my Top 10 days as a Jets fan!! Not sure what to expect from Sparano, but NOTHING could have been worse than another year with Schotty!! YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! Things are going quite well so far. I thought it was best we miss the playoffs this year and get some better draft picks. CHECK, now don’t go trading them away. Get rid of Schotty, CHECK! Now sign a couple good FA’s and some smart drafting and we will be heading in the right direction.

  9. By SCfromNY on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Wow! Saprano as a new OC. I am sure he will bring to the Jets the aggressive passing game that 80% of the NFL teams are winning with. His record of winning seasons, QB success, and top rated offenses will . . . . WAIT! Not Saprano. The Jets always seem to pick a player or coach with a name to satisfy fans unless they draft someone who you never heard of. The most depressing blog posts: “EX JETS PLAYING IN POSTSEASON” No one is able to recognizes talent.

  10. By Tom Spicer on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, Nick Mangold said the Dialy News story about Mark is 100% false. Now who are you going to believe Nick Mangold or some guy just trying to sell newspapers?

  11. By Tom Spicer on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I do not understand this hire did Sparano ever call plays in his life? If not I dont like it.

  12. By Tom Spicer on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I posted Elis 3rd year numbers vs Marks a few days ago. Every few days I am going to post the 3rd year numbers of good NFL QBS for Jet fans to see. Since we were talking about Cutler he is up next.

  13. By wayne on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, don’t believe you don’t know why the players are behaving the way they are. You can’t be serious..I won’t answer that one for you…Like I said bout the OC: BET ON IT(regardless of what the HC says. heard a football man say this week, football coaches are paid to lie to us…I agree)…..All out chaos. How does T – Rex get them back in line? Y’all are gonna know Mark Sanchez is ready to go if he comes in bigger and stronger. If he comes in in one of his all whites tanned and svelte, it’ll be same old GQ, just waiting for the next photo shoot….Not serious about being a serious football player…..I DON’T CARE HOW MANY HOURS HE SPENDS AT THE FACILITY…Rhodes use to talk bout the studying he and DBs were doing. NEVER SHOWED.

  14. By Tom Spicer on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Cutler sat his 1st year behind Plummer so this is his 4th year in the league. But it is his 3rd full year starting. 60%, 3,666 yards, 28 TDS, 27 turnovers & sacked 35 times. Mark 56.7%, 3,474 yards, 32 TDS, 26 turnover & sacked 39 times. Just like Eli Mark is better in a few things & the ones he is worse in there is not much of a difference. Like I have said before he is not as bad as he is made out to be.

  15. By John on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    now lets figure out how to beef up the offensive line so they create holes for our runners and keep Sanchez safe

  16. By jetsfan80 on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Well, we know the Jets will not be airing it out now. Sparano is a “running game” guy. I’m a little disappointed about that. But Schottenheimer needed to go. I do hope he calls more wildcat plays next year, though. I like the big-play potential and variety of passing/running styles of Kerley, McKnight and Greene. Hopefully we’ll land Haley to help Sanchez improve. I just hope he doesn’t end up yelling at Holmes like he did Boldin (I think) in Arizona. That’s all the team needs is something else to complain about. They really need Parcells to come back and give them a good kick in the backside.

  17. By Ray on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    So far Spicer of the three your talking about…Mark, Cutler or Eli, I would take either of them over MS, stats don’t make you a leader on the field and both of them are and Mark is not.

  18. By cgb on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I do not believe the daily news source on players calling out mark. ,talk to jet players not some unknown source. lets see what happens with all these coaching changes .talk is cheap lets get it right when we play football.

  19. By Bennett on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer: As I wrote on my post on Sanchez in the last thread, FORGET the stats, is there anything I said in that post that you could possible not agree with? Poor pocket presence, runs into sacks- poor downfield reads, vision, choices- warm weather slow starting QB that can’t stand to be hit and rushes the plays to avoid hits- still does not know when to take a sack and avoid a dumb play – now it comes out evident lack of respect from teamates. What you have is a QB that has not grasped the fundamentals of the position in the NFl He can throw for 5000 yards what good is it if he is the leader of the 25th rated offense

  20. By Tom Spicer on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    It says the Jets had Todd Haley come in today. I dont get it for what? I would have hired Haley as the OC & Sparano as the O line coach. But they already said Sparano is the OC. Are they trying to get Haley to be the O line or WR coach? I know Haley used to be a WR coach & I heard Henry Ellard is out our current WR coach.

  21. By IRA on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Like i wrote before this is a sound hiring. The Jets MUST get back to that ground and pound that Rex started when he came here. Sparano is perfect for that a no nonsense coach just what they need. Now if they can hire Haley that would be perfect. Still think they should hire Chad or Hue Jackson as the QB coach.

  22. By Ricky Murse on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I have mixed feelings, but optimistically, Jets are starting to make changes which they think will be for the better. I also, at this time, have mixed feelings about MS, but I do think he has the potential to be our franchise QB, for sure.

    2012 is going to tell us A LOT, and I for one am excited. I’d hate to not give MS another chance and potentially pick up Peyton to be very frank. Peyton is a beast, that’s for sure, but he’s 36, has had 3 neck surgeries.

    The organization shouldn’t focus on instant gratification (quick wins) – they need to focus on long-term development, and if MS can prove he’s “our guy” then going through all this drama in ’11’ will be worth it.

  23. By Howie D on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I’m not excited about Sparano. Saying that he lead the Fins to the greatest turnaround in NFL history is like saying Schotty lead the Jets to 2 AFC Championships. We know better, Jets got there in spite of Schotty. Fins had a good team and poor coach when they went 1-15. Sparano inherited the weakest schedule in the NFL and went 11-5. He’s been a loser since then. There’s nothing in his record to merit this position. However, I have given every new coach the benefit of the doubt, so I’ll do the same here, but I’m not jumping for joy.

  24. By GaryC on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    even all the closet giant fans on this site know that eli was close to throwing 2 interceptions and fumbling on that last drive in super bowl, hasn’t done much since,How you become ELIte in this league is in the eye of the beholder.

  25. By patty on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply


  26. By GaryC on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Love the attitude that Haley will bring,he got in the face of Bowe and that big tackle they had Richardson,so if you screw up you will be held accountable it seems.

  27. By patty on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    After 32 years as a Jets Fan of the SAME OLD JETS, I’m tired of rooting for SOJ. I’m converting to Broncos to root for Tebow Time. At least he’ll PLJ.

  28. By wayne on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, your QB’s problem is not in his stats, it’s in his work ethics…….And that can’t be masked by talk of how many hours he spends at the facility or Jets west camp……………..He has not taken his job seriously enough….He needs to get bigger, stronger and tougher………That he bounces up after taking a big hit….Not enough….Who doesn’t get up?…..I’ll know he’s tough enough when he stands up better in the face of the rush………………………He’s being royally paid to do exactly that……..I mentioned Matt Leinart when the first photo shoot came out and he has not proven he isn’t Leinart II yet……

  29. By AR16 on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    great posts Tom, no maybe when poeple make comments about Sanchez at least they will be informed. If it was up to Giant fans Eli and Couglin would have been run out of town long ago, now they all love them. Now having said that, if you can get Peyton Manning then you get Peyton Manning. :)

  30. By matthew on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Thank God he is gone!

  31. By Steve on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Sparano is a GROUND AND POUND speciallist with great offensive line coaching ! not too sure how much he will bring Sanches around. but if we get the running game going the passing game should be fine.

  32. By SCfromNY on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Again I have to repeat . . . stats are worthless. None of them tell how the stats were accomplished: Were they all 5 yard slants with or without YACs meaning the QB accuratly led the receiver? Did the QB have some success on long balls? Was everything a dink and dunk? What about composure and leadership. For instance IMO Cutler was kind of an ass BUT threw a great long ball. You can only do so much if theQB has little skill. As for skills without composure I give you Ryan Leaf.

  33. By Howie D on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    These personnel moves, particularly on the coaching level provoke questions about management’s thought process. With the exception of Sutton and Westhoff the rest of the coaching staff are younger/greener guys who appear to be ‘Yes Men.’ These new additions seem to fit the mold. There are stronger candidates out there who are proven winners, but maybe they might be too intimidating.

  34. By scjoe on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    WOW! All hell breaks loose today. Where do I start? First I will say I am not so sure about the “rule by committee” concept re: the OC responsibilities (Sparano/Haley) not to mention Tom Moore if he returns. To me that sounds like disaster just waiting to happen, especially with this group of players. As for Sanchez and all of the whispers? He will get the benefit of the doubt for now because there seems to be conflicting stories out there. But there is one aspect of this that some of you know I would agree with 100% and that is “if you can go out and get a healthy Payton Manning to QB this team, you do it!”

  35. By scjoe on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    In the event Mark Sanchez remains the starting QB of this team and neither the numbers or the intangibles improve dramatically he must go! Forget about salary, salary cap, politics, friendships, draft position,etc. He has to go. Lets just hope that that window of opportunity hasn’t closed so far that it would take a miracle to reopen it.

  36. By scjoe on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Re: my above comment about Sanchez improving dramatically, I can look in to my crystal ball right now and read some of the comments that will appear here and around other blogs, something like, “well, he has a new OC and a new system, he needs more time” “he has another new WR and needs to develop chemistry” The simple fact is, if there isn’t significant improvement under a new OC and a completely different system everyone will have their answer. Looking at the current crop of rookies like Dalton and Newton doing what they did in a shortened off season you can throw out that myth about “chemistry” that is nothing more then a convenient excuse.

  37. By Chicago Bob on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I would have to agree that Rex and his staff probably coddle Sanchez too much however I find it hard to believe the players would say the things that are being reported – Sanchez does seem to do whatever it takes to get players together whether it be his Jets West camp or putting in extra time to get the offense going – the guy has taken his shots this year and is willing to play hurt – I would be surprised to find out he is lazy. I believe Sparano helps – he is extremely enthusiastic and his players always played hard for him. Haley does seem to have a solid background in the passing game and supposedly he and Sparano are close. They both seem to have the type of disposition as coaches that is needed to get this offense on track.

  38. By Tom Spicer on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, From the prior thread Freeman, Flacco, Flynn & Dalton REALLY? iI think you are reaching at this point.

  39. By Howie D on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    It’s fair to say that the clock should be ticking on Mike Tannenbaum. Schotty shifted most of the focus and provided a lot of cover for him, but he shouldn’t be exempt from this debacle. He has helped to dig the ditch we’re in and I hope for his sake and for the fans that these latest moves will catapult us out of the hole we’re in.

  40. By scjoe on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, are you really sold on that “pound and ground” even after looking at the most serious SB contenders and witnessing what type of offense they run? To win a SB in this NFL era you need a dynamic offense. My idea of a dynamic offense is one that can score from any point on the field at any time against any defense, you know, like NE, NO, GB. A complementary running game is all that is needed, not a major focus on the running game. I also believe that today’s defenses and today’s DCs are much more able to put a game plan together to stop the run then to stop the pass.

  41. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, why don’t you just list where Sanchez ranks in both QB ratings if you think stats are the whole story? As for Mangold’s comments vs. the anonymous ones, you don’t know much about how reporters work, do you? There are plenty of anonymous sources at all times and just because they don’t want to give their names doesn’t mean what they say isn’t true, if that was the case Nixon would never have had to resign. Mangold may like Sanchez, feel guilty about the goal-line snap, who knows but most of all he can afford to say what he wants. Plenty of other guys on the team can’t or maybe they’re not as unable to restrain themselves, like what Cro said about the O after MIA. You’re still just trying to convince yourself, not any of us, about MS.

  42. By Joe Overmyer on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I am glad to see the changes they are making now lets not worry about big names and work on the team unity which I feel is the worst I have seen in 22 years of being a fan I mean you got LT in the pre-game huddle pouring his heart out trying to get the team pumped and there all standing there like nerds at a high school dance and whoever said start mcelroy is a fool stick with the sanchise lets see how he does without shotty’s shotty play calling and the o-line has got to get it together did anyone keep track of how many false starts moore had this year not to single him out it just seems like I heard number 65 alot

  43. By scjoe on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I have to agree with 64 spicer. You have to realize there are 45-50 players in and around this organization, 45-50 “individuals” with there own opinions on what is transpiring around them. Those who are more friendly with Sanchez will in fact take exception to what is being written, those who are not will open up and give their opinion. Who is to say who is right and who is wrong. When you look at the whole body of work you really can’t deny the fact that there are some within that locker room who don;t think MS is improving at all. You simply can not deny that.

  44. By BS on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Schotty had no clue how to get the best out his players like having Keller out wide & Sanchez in shotgun on 1st down way too many times. Mark needs to be coached up much like Alex Smith was this year & he’s a much better QB than Smith. Sanchez is an excellent play action QB so build the running/power game & let’s see if he can grow off of it. No more empty backfield in the red zone because it fooled absolutely no one & put too much pressure on a QB who had no confidence whatsoever. Please focus the draft/free agency on D (Upshaw or Barron would look good in green) and the O-line.

  45. By scjoe on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    To continue on this breaking story, as a fan, and a long time fan, it is very uncomfortable and very embarrassing to sit here and listen to all the sport talk shows and read all the sports columns when almost all are making a mockery of this franchise. I guess if you were just a “casual fan” it is easier to bear. I am not just a casual fan and I know most here fit into that category as well. I hope this all not only goes away soon, but resolves itself to the point we can all be proud Jet fans as opposed to be laughing stocks. Everybody has there own opinion on where to point the finger, but they better get it resolved collectivly sooner rather then later. Go Jets………..

  46. By Christopher on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I believe with the hiring of Sparano that the Jets will now draft Trent Richardson. Although I do not necessarily agree with that move.

  47. By Bennett on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    All these posts have some truth in them and, taken all togeather it is pretty clear and obvious what the problems are with the team. They have taken the first neccesay step. We all know the cannot address everything on the offseason/ draft but the got to start and start fast or we are headed back to 6-10 land . T-baum is wrong we need some tough free agency veterans in key positions and we need them now. He has to adjust his thinking, wating three years to develope a player so that he is just average does not cut it.

  48. By IRA on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Yes i still believe that if you put out a big time D and run the ball you can win a SB in the NFL. Sure the league is pass happy but i still think old school football can still win.

  49. By nyjfan38yrs on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    We need to get this offensive line in check. 2yrs ago we grounded and pounded an that worked for Sanchez.Hopefully we can get back to that type of play and win some game in the 2012 season.. Lets go JETS!!

  50. By No one cares what Blinka thinks on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Bittnerness level is very high.

    My old team is in turmoil. No talent. The players who are good are throwing their QB under the bus. What am I to do?

    Randy how long has the present scouting department basically been together?

  51. By Randy Lange on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Blinka, Joey Clinkscales is starting his 17th season with the Jets and his fourth as vice president of college scouting. Brendan Prophett is starting his 12th season with the Jets and his fifth as director of pro personnel. All the scouts on their staffs are starting anywhere from their fifth to their 15th seasons with the Jets.

  52. By Frank on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Geez Spicer I can’t believe I left out TEBOW Whoooooaaaa TEEEEEEBOOOOWWW WHOOOOOAAAAAA. I wanted to trade Sanchize-Not for him earlier in the year while TEBOWWWWW WHOOOOOOAAAAAA was languishing on the bench.
    There is a guy with mis-leading stats but he can throw the deep ball accurately something Sanchize-not can’t do!

  53. By Frank on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    By the way Spicer I love Mangold but I believe the stories leaking out. The way Rex coaches and coddles Sanchize-Not and making he and Holmes the captain really rankled the players I said this weeks ago and that is how you create a divisive team. Having different rules for each player divides a locker room. There are so many idiotic mistakes made by Rex it is astounding he had any success at all. Guaranteed he caught lightening in a bottle the first 2 years this past year is really what you get from Rex.
    I am saying it first just like I was a year early in demanding Mangini gone while all the apologists wanted otherwise. Rex is done he is gone next year after another disasterous season. The players have quit on him.

  54. By JohnsJets on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchezneeds the running game for him to be a good Qb, just look at the first two years.

  55. By Allan O'Dane on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ok,,Sparano,,,Haley…Vince Lombardi…It doesn’t matter. If the team does not pull together…if the Jets organization does not draft well and get VERY good skilled position players to fill in those needs at RG..RT..ILB…OLB…S…DE..and running back and yes a Solid Vet QB. Then we are looking at the same ol jets again. Sorry…but i’m just saying what it is.
    And if the Jets name captains it should be Mangold on offense and Revis on defense. Simple. But the Jets have so many issues right now and until those get fixed and Rex starts to coach instead of acting like he is on a reality show, we are going to get the same results.

  56. By Karan on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    It’s so upsetting with all these sources claiming that Jets players doubt MS. Some of the things that have claimed to have been said, it’s just so annoying, coming from your own locker room. Mark takes too much heat, he doesn’t need that from his own teammates. As Mangold tweeted, put your name on it. Don’t be a coward! I support Mark Sanchez 100% and I hope we get him some good offensive coaches. The reason we have these kind of characters is because of Rex’s big mouth.

  57. By Karan on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with BS, just look at Alex Smith, he’s improved a ton with the right offensive coaches. You get a similiar staff to Mark, he will improve a lot, especially even more in the postseason as we have seen what he is capable of doing. And yes, Mark is a whole lot better than Alex Smith.

  58. By Karan on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I just hope the Jets are able to obtain Todd Haley, it would be nice seeing Sparano and Haley work together. My friend, who’s a Cowboys fan, told me that Sparano was a great O-line coach in Dallas during his tenure there, so that won’t worry me about the loss of Bill Callahan so much. We need to get rid of Matt Cavanaugh asap and continue this fresh slate of offensive coaches.

  59. By Stevesc on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with many of the comments being made, starting with Joe’s… Before anything positive can happen, this team needs to come together as one and unite…If any player can’t do that, then get rid of him, I don’t care who it is. I blame everyone from the top down for this embarrassment of a season and for what is going on right now. Obviously Rex and Mike T. are not as good at judging character as they think they are… And where is Woody Johnson in all of this? I haven’t heard anything from him. Leadership starts at the top, and it’s lacking from the owner, the GM, and the head coach. Joe’s right, the only guy busting his butt to get this team fired up is LT… I can deal with a losing season, but all this other stuff makes me sick.

  60. By No one cares what Blinka thinks on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks Randy

    No one cares but that makes me feel better.

    With the jury still out (not for long) on Sanchez, the 2009 actually has been very good.
    2010 draft I think we can say was not good. 2011 seems ok since Wilkerson and Kerly have contributed. Would have liked to see Ellis be a player as a third rounder.

    Good luck to them at this year’s draft.

    I wish them luck

  61. By GaryC on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    okay,when can I start to put peyton manning on the list of players who won super bowls on other teams,never having that success with the jets,the list is getting longer and longer.

  62. By GaryC on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    It is nice to know that people know are mentioning Joey Clinkscales as one of the reasons for the jet demise,when I mentioned him at the beginning of the season,with draft picks like Bender,Potter and not even bringing up the last few years with some other great luminaries.

  63. By Bennett on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    The league is indeed pass happy but look what happens when the “elite” QB goes down (Colts, Steelers etc…..) It will turn again, the running back is not history the running game and tough defense will still win Super Bowls. Teams are going to learn how to stop the “elites” and then those teams have basically nothing, Where do you think New England would be this year if Brady had got hurt the have no balance,no defense, no running game, just a great QB that comes along once a decade

  64. By GaryC on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fan Tom, I am surprised you haven’t brought up Michael Vick as someone you would like to see as jet quarterback.NOW THAT WOULD BE QUITE A LOCKERROOM,him,burress,holmes,scott,cromartie,all under one roof.with Rex as ringmaster.

  65. By aa78 on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez and Eli Manning both had a 72.3 passer rating their first 3 years. And I remember Tiki Barber calling Eli out as weak with no leadership skills after the 3rd year and the locker room didn’t trust him. People had all these questions about his talent. Then he wins a Super Bowl in year 4 and he’s “elite”. Interesting how things can change on a dime.

    At a minimum, I’d like to see Sanchez get a respectable backup that would really make him fight for his job. There are several QBs I can name who had several mediocre years before taking the next step. Schotty was never the right OC for Sanchez and often seemed to call plays that went against Sanchez’s strengths. I’m hopeful Sparano will work better with him, then we can judge.

  66. By Jimmer on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Howie D-excellent point. This does take the focus off the front office. And the results this offseason provide may be a telling tale of Tanny’s future. If the me first players keep coming in, he’s on thin ice.
    64′ Tom–Mangold IS the OL. He’s shocked Sanchez made it through 16 games behind his linemates.
    Overmeyer-100% agree. Team unity must be addressed this year. Bring in team players and lose the Holmes’.
    BS-We REALLY need to start covering the TE position on defense.
    Scjoe-we collectively feel your pain.

  67. By Mike V on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Has the Official Jets website decided not to print any news about the current Jets players ripping Sanchez to shreds?

    I understand Rex’s desire to take the presure off the kid by awarding him the job… but that is crazy. I think Rex thinks he is emulating Weeb Ewbank BUT Weeb didn’t “give” Namath the job… he had to beat out Taliafero and Huarte. He had to earn the job… and it took him until mid-season. BUT HE EARNED IT.

    Quit coddling the kid and make him compete or, better yet, follow the teams wishes and GO GET MANNING!

  68. By Jimmer on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    My questions about Sparano.
    1. Did Rex/Tanny actually call Jason Taylor and ask if he knew what was going on in the locker room?
    2. Has he ever called actual games on his own?
    3. Can he repair a disaster offense?
    4. Did he actually tell Rex/Tanny that the NYJ OL was the reason everyone beat them?
    5. Will he get enough pull, to get the OL fixed in the draft/FA?
    6. He’s a high character guy from his Parcells days, can he even ask for Holmes to be cut/traded?
    7. Does he trust Sanchez?

  69. By GingerJames on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I think that Rex Ryan has brought the team to their knees. The way they are run is classless, before Rex Ryan, the Jets were never as outspoken as they have become. The Jets should model themselves after the Patriots. Bill Belichick runs the Patriots in such a classy way that no one expects them to speak out. He has shut Chad Ochocincos mouth which is the way his players are expected to act. Rex has to stop talking so much because it is beginning to rub off onto the players. Once they start playing the “blame game” we’ll go back into the dark ages of Jets history when Neil O’Donnell was leading our team and helping us get to 1-15.

  70. By CNY51yearfan on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with Karan about MS and Nick Mangold too!!!! would like to see how fast anyone of you jump up ready to play again after being run over by a minimum of 250 pounds!! not just once either!!
    and last season? Many new players and a shortened time of practice not being able to spend time in Cortland ….a big reason for the season being the way it was!!! It takes time for players to get to know what each is doing on the field!
    And what makes everyone think Sparano is the answer???? The Donphins didn’t want him!

  71. By Bennett on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    What I meant when I say teams learning to stop the “elites” pass attacks is not only new defensive schemes but that you are going to start seeing the ‘elite” safety and the elite cornerbacks.( like Reevis) Teams are going to be targeting these players and drafting them early ,I think these postions are going to be the next wave. the will be faster, stronger, bigger and with big contracts to match For every trend there is a counter right behind it

  72. By TMac on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    As Dandy Don would say: “Turn out the lights, the party’s over.”
    Good riddance Shotty and See ya later, Markie!

  73. By tommyohio on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    one move made ……..now time to make one on QB……..anybody but MARK

  74. By Howie D on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Why is Matt Cavanaugh still here?

  75. By fred on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Jets in the news in the off season again & for all the wrong reasons. This locker room stuff with Sanchez & un- named teammates really stinks & I blame Rex for a lot of it he really appeared clueless as to what is going on. Perhaps Sparano was brought in here for pass blocking more so than Ground & pound because I hope we don’t start running the ball 64 times a gm either & expect to be SB bound . Just a tough day to be a Jet fan

  76. By JustinianP on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Nice work Jets, way to follow up a good (but long overdue) move in finally ridding us of Brian Shottenheimer with a terrible move by hiring Sparano as OC. Bringing in the fired coach of a team who’s offense has been just as inept and painful to watch the last three years as the jets. Awesome. You needed to find the next Mike McCarthy or Sean Payton-a true offensive innovator and expert playcaller and instead you give us someone who just got fired largely because of how bad Miami’s offense has been and who has never actually been a OC before.
    Sanchez has no chance now and will be gone after next year. I think with the right OC he could have gotten much better.
    I can’t believe how dumb this is. Why couldn’t I have been born a Packer fan?

  77. By Charliejet on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Shotty Jr will be working with Shotty senior soon enough! (If not already)

  78. By Howie D on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t think anyone has asked for Schotty’s departure more than I have over the last 3 years. For the record, this was never personal. I’m glad the change has finally come. He simply was not the guy for us, but I wish him well. Good luck Schotty!

  79. By DKM on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Im sorry 64 Tom i just needed to say that as far as i remember Drew wasnt any better than Sanchez in his first 3 years, than had schoulder surgery, and wouldnt it have been for Sean Payton visiting him in the Hospital to tell him you going to be my QB he might not have been in the NFL after all. Please dont go crazy cause he still playing for a Doom Team, and if you dont think Sanchez hasnt proven to you in the last 3 season he can carry the Team in the 4th Q than i wonder what games youre watching. Cause this is still one of the few things wich still make me believe in him. With “decent” i meant winning Team and that certainly the JETS have done.

  80. By MiIKE on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    MS might be a pretty boy and a below average QB but I find it extremely to believe that he is lazy. You can tell that he would be a great locker room guy and prepares hard for sunday’s. This crappy offence can be blamed on many things.

    1) MS is very inconsistent
    2) Not the proper players or should I say players attitudes around him.
    3) Schotty complex system.
    4) Trying to throw too much.
    5) Right Tackle
    6) Not one deep threat on the roster

  81. By DKM on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Im also on the bandwagon with Ira here that old time Football CAN WIN Championships. Case and Piont the always unlikeable Giants. GO JETS

  82. By DKM on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Once again none of these hiring and firings or releases or whatever you wanna call it means anything if you cant quiet down the turmoil wich we dealing here today, and REX / TANNY REGIME haters will get there wishes sooner than later. I’m a little disapointed that we havent heard anything from our OWNER yet cause in my opinion Woody needs to shut this Theater down. Not does it is out of control allready. But do some Dammage control its your Team.

  83. By oasus on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    CNY51year – the Cowboys didnt want Wade Phillips last year either, and look what he did with Houston’s terrible D. He made it great, so great that other people want him to be an HC again.

  84. By scjoe on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, did you ever think in your wildest dreams that just maybe some of the “leaks” coming out of the Jets locker room are true? I know you are a loyal Sanchez supporter and I respect that, but I am a big believer in that old saying that says “where there is smoke there is fire” The fact that there is no viable option beyond Sanchez as a starter is a fact. He needs to be pushed and get out of that comfort zone. Will that be the entire answer? I would have to say I doubt it, but it is a good start.

  85. By punchie on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    sc joe ” would you please explaine to me how a guy who has had 3 broken necks in as many seasons is ever truely healthy again he`s not a machine he`s just a man an old and repeatedly broken man and no amount of money you put infront of him would convince manning to take snaps anywhere behind wayne hunter. we need denver to take hunter to defend tebows blindside great combo don`t ya think

  86. By scjoe on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    On the latest breaking story re: Henne coming in and competing with Sanchez. I wouldn’t go out and say this is a great move, but I will say this, and I know I will catch hell for it, but I actually believe Henne has more of an upside then Sanchez has. I was impressed with the improvement he made earlier in the year before he went down with the injury. Miami didn’t exactly have a pro bowl cast of WRs there.I like his arm strength, his leadership and his demeanor, he is also a tough kid. BUT….I would rather have Payton!

  87. By Vince-Florida on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Randy,
    Good Article!
    Chemistry is the thing: Once Sparano let the QB call audibles at the line, the Fins began a long winning streak after going 0-7; he felt chemistry with Matt Moore. Also, when Oakland brought in Carson Palmer’s favorite receiver, it helped them. Also, when Braylan Edwards was no longer with the Jets, it made a big difference to Sanchez and the Jets: no AFC Championship game in 2012 because his favorite receiver was gone! The one that he had the chemistry with in the previous two years.

  88. By scjoe on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Christopher, I think Trent Richardson is probably the one guy in this draft who could come in and make the most immediate impact. Problem is he will be a top ten pick, if not a top five, so, moot point. However, I wouldn’t mind seeing a trade down and pick up Lamar Miller out of Miami at the bottom of round #1 (providing his stock don’t increase after the combine). He is young but I think he is going to be a real good pro.

  89. By Clos56 on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    As a Dolphins fan… I’m here because I think Miami made a mistake by firing Sparano! You guys are very lucky to have him… HE will help the Jets for sure!
    I hate that he went to the stinkin’ Jets though… but I have to cheer for him… (when the Jets are NOT playing against Miami!) hahahaha… Good luck Tony Sparano!! HE Will be missed!

  90. By wayne on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t forget the pARt played by this QB killing organization……Best thing to happen to Brett and Peyton was not playing for Jets as youngster……..They did nothing for GQ except pamper him. They gave him a backup who I think we’re all pretty sure couldn’t play a whole game. SINCE WHEN IN SPORTS HAS COMPETITION BECOME A BAD THING? Only on the Jets….I know nothing about Sparano, think Haley will be good hire. We won’t really know what’s next until we start seeing personnel moves…..NOTHING’S TO BE BELIEVED THAT COMES OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS. What Tannenbaum and Rex have turned this team into……And I’m not talking wins and loses.

  91. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Need a good laugh? Dig the Sanchez Apologists! The strike only hurt the Jets, only the Jets got new WRs, Cortlandt is Valhalla, etc. Bennett, look what happened to KC w/Charles, CLE w/Hillis, CHI w/Forte, you think elite RBs don’t get hurt? And Ira, why do you pine for “ground and pound” as if we have RBs like that? LT’s done, Greene’s good but not great yet, McKnight is behind sked ’cause Rex chose to make fun of him instead of train him, Conner and Powell haven’t had a chance to show much. Unless we’re planning on getting one of those kind of RBs in FA and immediately improving the line, we’re not gonna be that much better running than passing next yr. And last yr we didn’t even bother getting a backup C (although you promised me one).

  92. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    I also don’t get why so few folks see how the 2014 SB in our house factors into this. It’ll be hugely embarrassing if the Jets aren’t in contention that yr. It was embarrassing for the Cowboys, and they’ve got infinitely more gravitas as a franchise than us. What you’re seeing with these coaching changes is a frantic, 3rd-and-long effort to deal with problems that have hampered us throughout Rex’s tenure. Sanchez hasn’t shown MAJOR (not MINOR, Spice) yr-to-yr improvement, Schotty like MS has made the same mistakes over and over, and Rex has paid little attention to all of it. Now he wakes up and realizes, or is told, that he’s not getting any 10 or 15 yrs as Jets HC and attacks his staff, because it’s a lot harder to attack the roster!

  93. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    ArteOldSchool, who posts here, gave me an interesting take on all this today, after telling me that he heard Sparano wants to bring in Henne as the backup. Arte’s take was we might go after Manning after all and I see his pt. A 2-yr deal for Manning and we can concentrate all our other efforts elsewhere, including at OL. Sanchez and Henne can fight it out to backup and if Sanchez lost, he’d be dumped in his 5th yr. (McElroy and O’Connell go the second we get Manning and Henne.) I’m not saying this will work or that I’m for it, but I know one thing:with a healthy Manning, smart draft picks, and a few FAs, you might make the SB in 2013 or 2014. With Sanchez and those same picks and FAs, you’re a lot farther away from the SB anytime soon.

  94. By russ on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Jet fans and mental illness…doing the same thing over and over and getting the same reult…Shotty didnt cost us games…no blocking, no pass protection, no pass rush cost us games…no third down got to , no punt returner, those areas were not shottys job…you cant call a screen pass with a o block line…you cant get the defense off the field giving opposing quarterback 7 seconds in pocket…NOTHING HAS CHANGED….and wasting draft picks for a Ducasse and a Kyle Wilson is short on common sense….

  95. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    And if anyone doubts Rex would flip the script the second Manning signed the deal, let’s review things he said that turned out the opposite:J-Co and Stuck were just fine at WR (2 wks before we got Braylon). Woodhead. Clowney. We’re gonna “air it out.” No, we’re going back to “ground and pound.” No, the key is the Wildcat. Cook was cut because Wilson is “one of the hardest-working guys on this team.” We expect Schotty back. Yes, when the time comes, Rex will say whatever he has to about MS, probably something like, “We still see Mark as the QB of the future but hey, when you have a chance to get a Peyton Manning…” If it pays off with Manning, no one will even remember MS. If it doesn’t, MS’s 5-yr deal is up and it’s time to draft a new QB.

  96. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, seriously, how long have you been watching this game? The movement from the late ’60s on rules has been to allow more scoring and produce more pts. This golden era of elite QBs has as much to do with that as anything. It’s not a matter of teams not understanding that 6′ 4″/235 CBs would be great, but even if such freaks walked the earth right now, the rules are stacked against them, just a quick look at the nonsense pass int calls on our DBs (and Thurman’s infuriation with such calls last yr) makes that clear. QBs will never go back to the status they had when the Jets and Chiefs embarrassed allegedly great NFL teams in the SB with the names Morrall and Kapp. And that’s what Woody meant today when he said Sanchez “has to step up.”

  97. By Mike C (fan since '69) on Jan 11, 2012 | Reply

    One Christmas present delivered (a new OC)… a little late, but hopefully worth the wait… Thanks Woody!!! Now how ’bout some Who Dats… a package with a Brees and a Colston in it would be sweet… or maybe a Peyton with some mileage on it???

    (Please Schotty…Don’t come to Alabama… this state has had enough tragedy!)

  98. By Another Tom on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    If Sparano runs the Wild Cat I hope its just in small doses..maybe at the goal line occasionally. Maybe He will bring Henne in with Him to compete..not a bad idea[ cost effective ]. We have to re build through the draft and the rookie salary cap will be very helpful..please no more big name-big splash free agents..seems to create animosity

  99. By ArtSoCal on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    There is a lot here that doesn’t make sense. Why would a guy who allegedly looks “timid like a Chihuahua dog” at game time be lazy at practice because he doesn’t think he needs it? Doesn’t Rex get paid to make sure the QB is prepared for the game? Rex is also the advocate of the “Fast Fridays,” a half-a-day practice session that is really a short celebration to boost morale. I felt that strategy was a waste of valuable time when you consider that Mondays are a no practice day also, a day of rest and healing, watching videos, etc. Are the other players really that dedicated to practice? Then why does the D so often melt away? Why can’t the O-Line protect the passer (Manning is aware of this, don’t kid yourself.)? Why can’t they open up holes for the run? Why are passes dropped after hitting WR’s hands? Why so many bone-headed penalties on both sides of the ball? If the other players are this bad after “supposedly” practicing hard, then they are hopeless.

  100. By IRA on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Glad to see Mark’s teamates stand up for him. I am throwing that story out the window its bogus until they he says who those remarks came from. I do think that Mark needs competition in camp. It can only make you better and thats for everybody not just Mark. With Sparano here now i wouldn’t mind to see him bring in Henne as a backup. Always liked him and that he had a good strong arm and played well at times. Just like the movie Field of Dreams if you build it they will come. Well if you build a team around Sanchez then they will be just fine and they can win with him. This year was the field around him had dry spots and leaks.
    GO JETS!!!!

  101. By wayne on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, GQ needs competition, not another caddy. THAT’S HIS PROBLEM AND I DIDN’T NEED TO READ THAT IN THE PRESS FROM UNNAMED SOURCES TO KNOW THAT..Henne showed nothing at Michigan and didn’t get any better in MIA…….Glad to hear Mangold say he’d handle things going forward in the locker. The old fashion way. You get in a guys face and you settle things. If it was done that way from the beginning Holmes would have been handled. We’ll have to see.

  102. By IRA on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Tom, Ground and Pound is the way to go while Sanchez gets his confidence back and Rex rebuilds his D. Guarantee they draft a RB or sign a veteran for sure to complement Greene. Look how Sparano used Williams and Brown that was a very good combo for awhile and expect the same from the Jets starting in 012.
    Happy 43rd Anniversary to all Jets fans today back in 69 was our day. Seems like yesterday when i was watching that game in my parents kitchen on a 15 or so inch black white TV and worrying when Unitas came into the game. You know what life was real simple back then and so was watching sports. Plus TV was free now we are all getting ripped off paying for TV. Man how things have changed.

  103. By wayne on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Why do you guys think that I call him GQ? Because I think he’s been GQing it from the beginning. Just like Matt Leinart. And I said so from the very beginning.

  104. By GaryC on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Here we go again, with the IFS,concerning the jets and manning,IF he joins us he will lead us down the yellow brick road to the super bowl,just like Plastico was going to do for us.I am glad these turncoats in the jet locker room have Rex’s back, because they certainly don’t have Sanchez’s.Eventually you will know who these guys are,there will be cuts during camp,maybe a trade for a low draft pick,but you will know who they are,and most will be on the defensive side of the ball.

  105. By GaryC on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Chad Henne, give me a break, the only time he played well was against the jets,he was great going against a team with no pass rush and a solid offensive line,with Jake Long,Vernon Carey and such.McElroy has so much more to offer and maybe O’connell too.Bring in Haley to work with these guys and try to draft that big wideout with speed.One other point, don’t get enamored yet with Flynn as your starter,People said Hunter would be a good tackle until you saw him as an everyday starter.IS FLYNN ANOTHER MATT CASSEL.

  106. By Bennett on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    ArtSoCal Most of everything you say is do to one thing and that is poor coaching from the top on down, with a new OC I think we will see a noticeable change. I also do not agree with the fast Fridays but I Ihink the victory Tuesdays are usefull at certain times .

  107. By karan on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    I think we are going to win the super bowl next season, i won’t give my reasons cause i don’t to jinx it, but i have a feeling we will.

  108. By Russell on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Enough already with the unnamed sources bashing Sanchez. For pete’s sake, he had a bad year on the football field. Get over it and move on. Besides, I’m not a fan of Mark Sanchez. Like Ira, I’m a fan of old school football myself. I want to build a strong offensive line, good blocking FB and TE and run the ball 35-40 times a game. Passing game can come on play action type passes. Defensively, stop the running game and have a blitzing style type defense like the Bears 46 scheme. As to the JETS QB situation, have an open competition between Sanchez, O’Connell and McElroy. Best man is the starter. That’s it. Please, no Peyton Manning. Tired of bringing in someone else’s old has beens. That Brett Favre experiment worked out well, didn’t it.

  109. By Bennett on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fan 64 I have been watching football for about 45 years maybe not as fanatically as many but I have seen a few past elite QB eras in my time. You are totally correct the rules have opened up the passing game but Football is still Football You did not address my point about the “all the eggs in one basket” elite QB and what happens when he goes down. Look at the Colts look at the Steelers QB limping around totally useless, Where would the Pats be right now without Brady the rest of the team pretty much stinks. What happened to those teams that spent all their money for an “elite” when he goes down. I stand by my statement the pendulam will swing the other way,balance and depth will always win in the long run

  110. By Chicago Bob on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Be prepared to see a vast improvement in the Jets O-line next year as I believe Sparano is an upgrade over Callahan. With the exception of Jake Long, Miami’s O-line was average and even when Long got hurt, they seemed to still do a solid job. Obviously we need an upgrade at ORT however our O-line has more talent than Miami’s. Although his title is O.C. you can bet he will have a lot to do with coaching the line. Interesting that with so many head coach openings in the NFL this year, Schotty only got one interview. He’s taken a lot of shots from not only Jets fans but NFL people as well – the latest taken from the most recent issue of Pro Football Weekly: “When it comes to making adjustments, Schottenheimer is one of the worst in the league”

  111. By steven on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Jets need Gamechangers. ON DEFENSE two FREENEYS and two POLAMALUS get a pass rush. Tom Brady won’t have time to throw the ball. The corners jam receivers at the line to slow them down and knock them off their routes. It’s hard to beat a defense which can get to the quarterback. Look what the Ravens did to the Jets this year. Embarassing. If the DLine becomes WALL STREET, there’s no need for a steel curtain. ON OFFENSE, the rushing game runs out the clock to keep TOM BRADY off the field. One FANECA and one Antonio Gates OPENING HOLES will run down the gameclock. Can the coaches see PLAYERS WHO WILL BE STUD GAMECHANGERS during the draft. The knicks got one stud and are seeing their identity. Get guys from Alabama. GET GAMECHANGERS

  112. By steven on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Greg McElroy will surprise a lot of people next year!

  113. By Bennett on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fan 64: Even with all the rules stacked for the passing game you still need a good to great QB to make it work. Just look at the teams that try to go pass happy without a top 10 QB they look terrible, Like when the Jets tried with Sanchez it turned into an ugly mess. The greats make it look easy, it is still not that easy, when you take the elite out the have nothing. Also I didn’t mean to say by 2020 we will have 6.10″ 350lb defensive backs who run 3.5 fortys I think you get the point thought

  114. By scjoe on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, in my mind it really don’t matter if a person goes public with a particular story or if he chooses to remain anonymous, the story remains the same. Do you really believe there are no players on this Jets team who don’t feel the way the majority of Jet fans, sports writers and sport commentators feel about Sanchez and how he is progressing as an NFL QB, not to mention a “franchise” QB

  115. By Jet Blue on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Look, I love being a Jets fan. But think about this:
    1) When does Rex say anything intelligent? He only talks about how the team needs to play better. Really Rex? I think we all know that.
    2) Why does Rex give Sanchez a free ride by already saying he is the QB next year? Make him work for it like everybody else. You never tell a player he’s your guy no matter how bad he plays.
    3) why is it that sanchez goes to the sideline and sits by himself and never seems to be communicating with his WRs? Or, he’s riding that stupid stationary bike. All he needs is a basket with Toto in it.
    4) Rex and Sanchez have gone down hill fast and have done nothing to gain the respect or the confidence of the team and the fans. Their done. Time to on

  116. By scjoe on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Punchi, I am not an orthopedic surgeon, but I am currently seeing one, and he happens to be from Indiana. He is very familiar with Paytons condition and stated to me once the injury is healed it is no better or no worse then any of the typical injuries sustained by NFL players. However, he will need extensive therapy to strengthen his arm because that is effected with this injury. That said, I am sure that IF Payton becomes available, and IF the Jets have an interest they will do there due diligence in determining if it is the right move for them. Me? All I am doing is hoping.Stay tuned.

  117. By Jet Blue on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    1) Get rid of Cromartie. He plays with his back to the QB and hasn’t made a play in 2 yrs. Plus, he’s afraid to tackle.
    2) Bench Sanchez and either play McElroy or bring in another QB. Sanchez cannot read defenses, can’t or won’t throw downfield, has no pocket presence and no feel for the rush; back-peddles whe he should step up, and has fear in his eyes. He is not an NFL QB, and everybody else seems to know it but Rex!!!!!!
    3) Fire Rex. He’s not head coaching material. He obviously doesn’t know how to judge talent on offense, especially at QB.

  118. By scjoe on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, Statistically speaking, as so many here like to speak, the Giants were dead last #32 running the ball during the regular season, averaging 89 yds a game.. They were #27 in total defense. If they happen to go on and win a SB it will not be because of those two factors, are you basing your decision strictly on one game against the Atlanta Falcons in the playyoffs? I still happen to believe the opposite and believe one of the teams that have that dynamic offense (GB, NE, or NO) will be this years SB winner.

  119. By IRA on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    If Haley decides to join the Jets and teams up with Sparano it wuld be a great thing. When they worked together at Dallas in somewhat similar roles Sparano called the plays in 06 the offense ranked 25th, 15th and then 4th overall. And that 06 year they really ran the ball very well. I see Parcells prints on this idea to team the two and get the Jets headed in the right direction again.

  120. By Karan on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, Mark definitely needs some QB competition and a good QB coach, and we shall go from there.

  121. By Karan on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Randy, what date does free agency start? I know its in February sometime. Do you think the Jets will try to pursue Braylon Edwards again? I certainly hope so.

  122. By Randy Lange on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, the free agency signing period this year starts Tuesday, March 13, at 4 p.m. I don’t know if the Jets will pursue Braylon Edwards.

  123. By GaryC on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    matt flynn couldn’t even beat out Jamarcus Russell at LSU.just because you win on Green Bay doesn’t guarantee you win on the Jets.I would rather see what dolphins defensive players are free agents and talk to them seeing that they and Sparano probably have ties.

  124. By Jet Fan Since '64 on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Sure, Bennett, ideally everybody on the roster should be good, including the backups. But downplaying the importance of an elite QB because he might get hurt is like being afraid to go after the hottest girl in the room because she might not stick around. In fact, this yr teams started doing something I’ve never seen before, picking up another proven QB mid-season (Palmer after Campbell, Orton after Cassel) after injuries without even waiting for the next yr to rethink the QB situation. And I certainly don’t see the NFL changing the rules in favor of 17-10 games. Unfortunately, that’s about the only hope for Rex and all these “ground and pound” dreamers. The biggest problem with the Jets organization is its lack of honesty and courage.

  125. By ddh on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    So here we are once again, waiting on the draft and preseason, another long winter finding ways to talk ourselves out of the pits and into wishful contention.
    We’ll hear the same ole same old, people naming big named players as our savior’s, guaranteeing rings for all if only we had so and so. And every year a few of us simply state the obvious as it slips away slowly in the many cries for superstars, and so once again I’ll say it, stats mean little, very few indivduals can live up to those stats cause it was the team behind them. What we need is that team thats behind those stars, so our guys can be stars. And it starts with a rock solid line, on both sides of the ball, period.

  126. By Bennett on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    I saw something in one game that now becomes more clear with all the locker room stuff about Sanchize. Plax ran a route and was wide open he had his guy beat with plenty of running room. Sanchez threw an ugly incompletion to another reciever that was totally covered. The replay showed Plax at the end of the play he almost put his hands out as if to say are you blind than thought better of it and just looked towards Sanchez and slowly shook his head. On the replay Sanchez was under his usual pressure and you could see that he hurried the throw just to avoid a hit instead of hanging tough and looking to make the right throw and take the inevitable hit. Maybe this is why they said he plays scared

  127. By Jet Fan Since '64 on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    From Jason Smith’s excellent NFL.com story: “Sometimes, you can only do so much rallying behind a player before you have to move on, and this is where the Jets are now. How do you keep the locker room intact? Do you keep propping up Sanchez in the wake of this firestorm and potentially lose the majority of the team? Or do you get behind the team and find a new quarterback? Sanchez is owed what Santonio Holmes is owed for next season. You can move on, be it to Peyton Manning or Matt Flynn or Kyle Orton. Sometimes there’s a point of no return, and somethings you can’t come back from. This is it, because no matter what the truth is, the Jets don’t believe in their quarterback.” He also talks about Rex’s inability to admit he’s made a mistake.

  128. By Jet Fan Since '64 on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    And now some honesty from me: Sparano instead of Schotty is okay, but now we’re talking about Henne and Joey Lee? There’s a deck-chairs-on-the-Titanic aspect to all this, I’m afraid, Rex’s pathetic attempt to fix big problems with almost inconsequential hires. What some of you guys don’t understand, including re the Manning thing, is this: If we aren’t back in contention next yr with a totally confident QB and a high-scoring O, here’s how the ads for SB 2014 will go: “Coming to you from Met Life Stadium, the home of the 3-time-SB winning New York Giants, with their stars Hector Cruz and Jason-Pierre Paul…oh yeah, and also the home of the New York Jets, the laughingstock of the NFL, with ex-QB Mark Sanchez and ex-HC Rex Ryan…”

  129. By Jet Fan Since '64 on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    From Michael Kun’s brilliant piece in the Washington Post: “[The firing of Schotty after Rex said he’d be back shows] the Jets have Ryan on a very short leash. Here’s betting they told him, “You’ve got one year to fix the mess you’ve created.” But the problem is Ryan has already lost this team. He can’t fix this mess without overhauling the roster or changing his coaching style — and he can’t change his coaching style with a locker room that he’s already lost. Barring significant roster changes, the current squad will perform no better for Ryan next year than this year — and perhaps much worse. Then the Jets will look to replace Ryan with a “disciplinarian,” because that’s what teams do after “players’ coaches” wear out their welcomes.”

  130. By Jet Fan Since '64 on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Whoa, Jet Blue hits it out of the park on back-to-back at bats! Everything you say in those two posts is totally right on in my view, JB, but I think what Kun writes about re Rex getting one yr to fix things is where we’re at. If things aren’t dramatically better by 2013, the yr before we host the SB, what Jet fan in his right mind will criticize Woody for unloading Rex, Sanchez, and half or more of the guys on the team? Great post, scjoe, reminding DKM that the main reason the Giants are in it is ’cause they have a QB who can throw long and three WRs that make ours look positively sick. And Ira, when is Mark going to “get his confidence back”? In his 6th yr in the league? His 7th? I think you might wanna read the Smith and Kun pieces.

  131. By GaryC on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    yes ira, times have changed, you can’t even get a good horror flick on television anymore,I guess the jets will have to suffice.

  132. By DKM on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    You might be right scjoe, but we see. Cause the other 5 teams in the PO are teams wich have good to great RB and like the running game more than the passing game.It wouldnt suprise me if the 49ers beat the Saints with a mediocre QB or the Broncos the Pats with a mediocre QB or Giants the Packers with a good QB. Than most likely the Theory that great QB always will win in the End is pretty much down the Drain. Besides the Saints neither one of The BIG QB has running game.

  133. By scjoe on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, do you really believe that if one of the better defensive players (Harris, Revis,Pouha etc.) turn out to be responsible for telling their story re: Sanchez that they will not be wearing green and white next year? That would be silly.Maybe if it were one of the bottom dwellers that may happen and make it seem Rex is cracking down, when in reality he isn’t. As for Russall/Flynn at LSU…Russall was a very good QB (at the college level) we saw what he was at the pro level. Flynn on the other hand? All he did in the limitd time he got was throw completions and TD passes (at the pro level) Personally, give me an inexperienced Flynn over a “experienced” Sanchez any time.

  134. By DKM on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    JFS 64 wwwwhhhaaatttt palmer and orton ELITE, both wouldnt have a job if the respected QBs for there Teams gotten HURT. Give me a break. I garuante if AL DAVIS still would be with us, God rest his Soul, Palmer never would be a RAIDER. Parts of Why Jackson lost his JOB.

  135. By Jimmer on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne, by ripping the past & present NYJ, you’ve proved you are no fan of the NYJ.

    The Henne Talk actually has me intrigued. MS, Henne & McElroy fighting it out in preseason. As long as they all know the job can be had or lost would be the greatest thing to happen. We’re gonna vastly improve the OL, and run much better. Those 3 do not scare anyone right now. But if they know they might get yanked for a stupid fumble or INT, any one of the 3 would play like it might be their last play. Just imagine this against NE, week 1. Everybody expects Sanchez to start. But McElroy plays the first half, and Henne plays the 2nd. The 3 headed QB could cause malox stock to soar.

  136. By GaryC on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    jet fans are always grasping at straws,like what is the new flavor of the month,they have tried to put these all galaxy teams together before and it hasn’t worked,other organizations know when a player is done but the jets bring them here for their encore performances before they retire.then the jets can say that this hall of famer played one year for us and was a vital part of the organization.Ha,Ha.

  137. By GaryC on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I would also be shocked if it was any of those three,first of all, those three you rarely hear anything about them,because they let their play do their talking.you can figure out who the jet rabble rousers are on defense and get a fair idea.just remember, their are reasons that some players keep jumping from team to team.

  138. By Bennett on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fan 64 T-baum also sat there and said Schotty would be back next year. Does he have himself on a short leash? Most of the stuff being written right now about the Jets is total garbage by idiots who have nothing else to do but try and stir the pot more. What a mess

  139. By DKM on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Im not Blind to the Fact that there are great QB wich win you the big game. But more often enough it was proven that you DONT need the greatest QBs to win you the BIG ONE . Im just not contempt with the fact that we have to throw every QB we draft ( especially a young one who still has room to improve) after 3 years under the Bus. You throw 55 TDs in 3 years in the NFL there has to be something there.

  140. By GaryC on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, you have come a long way,the giants receiver MAKE OURS LOOK POSITIVELY SICK,whoa,for a minute there I thought you were talking about brad smith and jerrico cotchery.DO WE HAVE ROOM UNDER THE BUS FOR PLASTICO AND HOLMES.

  141. By joe on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    NO COACH CAN TURN CHICKEN FEATHERS INTO CHICKEN SALAD we need a qb .In Miami was Sparano able to turn Henne into Brady. In Washington was Shannohan able to turn Grossman into Elway Tom BRADY GETS A NEW OC EVERY 2 YEARS does it ever change his play.Its absolute laughable nonsense to think Sparano (or any oc )can give Sanchez abilitys he doesnt have.

  142. By Bennett on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    For all you Rex Ryan doubters out there. Way to give him a fair chance after three years! 28 wins and 2 championship games and a number ONE defense starting as a rookie head coach with a over rated 22 year old rookie starting QB. The great Parcells had 29 wins in his 3 seasons before he quit did we try to run him out of town? Some of you old timers have short memories Edwards last year 4-12 Mangini’s 2nd year 4-12 have you forgotten Kotite,Carroll, Coslet, Walton.man you don’t no pain unless you were a fan under Kotite nice 1-15 year. The true test for Ryan is next year I think he will turn it around he is a good coach and while he makes me crazy sometimes I’m glad we have him.

  143. By joe on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fan Since 64 TOM,SC JOE its beyond funny that some people think we ACTUALLY HAVE A SHOT AT A SUPERBOWL with HENNE BATTLING SHANCHEZ BATTLING MCELROY..BAD BADDER BADDEST. One would have to try really hard to put together 3 worse qbs on an NFL TEAM MUCH LESS THAN THINK WE COULD WIN THE SUPERBOWL

  144. By joe on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    lol SANCHEZ and HENNE PROBABLY HAVE 10 YEEARS COMBINED in the NFL and i dont think either of them have won so much as a division title

  145. By Howie D on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    I’m convinced Rex is a top level coach, but it’s his first trip to the rodeo as HC. What’s happening is unfortunate, and this situation is no doubt an eye-opener for him. He still has a lot to learn, but he’s got the fundamentals and I’m betting he’ll come away from this a better coach.

  146. By Gabriel on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    wayne Mark Sanchez is a hard worker with a great work ethic! no body with a brain and soul would question that. He is the first on in and the last one out. He handles the media and pressure with ease and maturity. Just because he has one bad season and the JEts arent in the playoffs you and most of the fanbase start criticizing the people who brought them to the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP TWICE IN A YEAR, namley Woody Johnson, Mike the GM, REX RYAN, Mark Sanchez, etc. Before everyone was complaning how we just want at leaest the playoffs.. we get 2 appreances in the afc championships and thats not enough, just be grateful that we are seen as a superbowl contender and were not push overs. Rex Ryan has changed this team for the better, and I believe

  147. By Gabriel on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    that he will right this ship because when ever something goes wrong he fixes it and as so much faith in this organzation and team. Please put your faith in Johnson, Mike, Rex, and Sanchez. They will take us to the promise land that is the super bowl. Go Jets!

  148. By harry-o on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    wow! killing two birds with one stone.
    a new OC and next HC all in one.
    go figure

  149. By cgb on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    rex ryan knows he lacks dicipline, and the knowledge to run an offense,so the right move would be to bring in a diciplinary coach ,enter sparano. Great it fix’s the o-line {providing we get much needed help via FA,or draft},fix’s the run game and will make sure players stay in line. That’s almost everything we lacked this year solved with one coach.

  150. By Frank on Jan 12, 2012 | Reply

    64 you hit the nail on the proverbial head explaining why Rex is finished coaching this team. The roster will not be overhauled and he has already bloviated that he is who he is and he is not changing a thing. The hand writing is on the wall and yet again we will be a year too late making the change.

  151. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Freudian slip, DKM, with your mind perhaps on Rex’s absurd claim that Sanchez is elite? I said Palmer and Orton are PROVEN, not elite, and there’s no denying that. And my larger point was that not only are teams not giving QBs the preposterous 6 yrs that Rex once hinted MS deserves, they’re not even waiting till next yr if they think they’re in contention. But then, Rex’s talk about his 10 OR 15 envisioned yrs coaching the Jets proves he’s out of touch with the most basic realities. The only guys who’ve ever coached that long were either parts of the franchise like Halas or proven winners like Landry. Hey Jimmer, lighten up on Wayne! How’d you like it if I said, “By tolerating endless mediocrity, you’ve proved you are no fan of the NYJ”?

  152. By calijetfan on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Blue, your right. But don’t forget that if Revis didn’t basically move out of Tebows way on that last drive and actually tried to tackle him, the Jet’s might have been in the playoffs. High paid divas. Here’s something no one is mentioning with all this Payton Manning talk… Does anyone here actually think that he would ever play for this team? something I thought was interesting…..do you realize that it will take the average american rougly 36 years to earn 1 million dollars ( after tax take home). most of these Jets players earned that in one game and put no heart or soul into it this year at all. I would give a limb for that, seriously.

  153. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    As for a 3-way Sanchez/McElroy/Henne battle as Maalox promotional boost, Jimmer, that’s funny and I love wit on this site, even if it’s usually understandably dark like GaryC’s line about horror movies. But the Jets franchise surely isn’t a joke to Woody Johnson and if you look at it thru his eyes, that scenario isn’t too likely. If we can’t be in the SB in the yr we host the game, Woody’s either gonna wanna make big changes or he might start thinking about selling the team. Either way, he has a 3-6 yr plan in his head right now and I doubt it includes any kind of Mack Sennett/Demolition Derby mash-up over the QB job. Not when on the days that we’re not on the field Eli keeps throwing to better and better WRs and scoring more and more pts.

  154. By BINK on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Am I the only one that sees the glaring difference between 2010 and 2011 is the wildcat offense?……So Sparano needs to re-institute that and start having a passing game ala Richard Todd to open up those defenses …………geeze the o=line is really giving him the time

  155. By IRA on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I am sure there are some on the roster that have questioned mark’s play this year. You know what execpt for a handful of players they should all look in a mirror because i think they all underachieved and played poorly all year. This team was 2 plays away from being 6-10 if Johnson and Romo don’t mess up. On the other hand if they tackle Tebow and tackle Cruz they go 10-6. 8-8 is exactly what they are a middle of the road team that needs changes.

  156. By IRA on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Thats funny a good horror flick todays kids don’t even know what that is.
    Yeah Henne i think is a no brainer and would really like him to be signed and you all know i would sign Edwards in a heartbeat. He had a good chemistry with Sanchez while he was a Jet.
    This weeks games well i guess Pats, Saints, Ravens and i hate to say this Giants advance. Another week of Giants success i can’t take.

  157. By bballmaster017 on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Our offensive line is the reason we play poorly because wayne hunter cant block at all! we need to replace our Right tackle and our Left Guard and you will see more improvement. In additon, we need to create holes for Greene to run through or else it wont work. this sounds obvious but when hes only rushing for 2.5 yards a carry there is something wrong. Sparano was a great pick by the Jets we def needed shotty to get the heck out of NY.

  158. By Tom Spicer on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    My picks for this week 1 49ers over the Saints 2 Ravens over the Texans 3 Broncos over the Pats.

  159. By Allan O'Dane on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Heard Joe Namath yesterday..This is what he said
    ” Did anyone comment on the failure of DC Mike Pettine after having his defense really go backward this year as opposed to the last two years?”…I have been saying that all season. Now after watch the broncos…the raiders…the dolphins run 90+ yrd drives on this defense..Mike P is getting a free ride..

  160. By Frank on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Ira your jinxing the Jints and I know your doing it on purpose!
    I am going with Saints, TEEEEBBBBOOOOWWWWW WHOAAAAAAH, Texans and Giants. I am all in on the dogs!!!!!!!!!!! I realize I am picking 4 road teams but that is why I am not a betting man! I think the Saints and Giants have the best chance to pull the road dog off. In any case this should be a great weekend for football!
    Spicer where’s your Giants pick?

  161. By Frank on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Sure hope they hire Haley or this will be the ugliest football teams in modern times next year.
    Callahan signed on as OC of the Cowboys I wish him the best I really like him and he is a class act the second best coach behind Westhoff and right before Sutton. Rex needs to go….maybe he will do us a favor and implode with another off the field issue. I can only assume Woody doesn’t want to be eating another contract.

  162. By IRA on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Sure Pettine is getting a free ride. Like i said earlier there is plenty of blame to go all around. Schotty was the scape goat and i couldn’t even defend him after he dropped Sanchez back 67 times vs the Giants. Still don’t understand that going into the season they knew they were weak in the middle of the D and didn’t do anyhting to improve that problem. They need 2 safeties and possibly an ILB too unless Mauga steps in for Scott.

  163. By wayne on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Way to go Spice, you got this one right. Why you think the DC got his bags already packed for Happy Valley of all places? I hear Mr. Bundchen is antsy. Denver knows they can play with that team……..If it’s close NE is not winning. Tommy boy or no. I’m taking Saints, B’more and yes, The BigAnts……Yes those Giants that Rex woke up when their own coach couldn’t get them going.

  164. By Bennett on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t expect a Super Bowl next year… what I do expect is a solid team preformance where the play hard for 60 mins, a winning record, and most importantly that the go up to Foxboro and give the Pats a beating.

  165. By wayne on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Very few people here really talk about where the problem lies. (T). Blinka I wouldn’t blame the scouting department. I don’t believe being able to find talent is as difficult as it use to be……Brass has been trying to hit home run and blowing picks while doing so……Even IF Peyton is healthy, they don’t have enough to offer IND for him. They’ve emptied the cupboard. The scouting staff didn’t do that. We do have great cheer leaders though. Top 5 in the league(?). Way to go Mike T.

  166. By wayne on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, I completely agree about Haley, Callahan and Rex……………………….If next year goes south, what we’ve seen at the end of the season will be tame in comparison…..As we all know, Rex don’t handle adversity too good. He either breaks into tears or does something”inappropriate”.

  167. By GaryC on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    we have great cheerleaders, maybe they need to line up in backfield,then we can fake the sweep to them and the defense will follow them which would open up the downfield throws for sanchez.

  168. By DKM on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Ha, ha, ha Wayne thats Funny Top 5 Cheerleaders in the leauge. At least we have something in the Top 5. I sure know better this weekend not to pick against the Big 3 but what the heck, Giants done it before, 49ers im still not sure if they way Overachieved, Tebow will never be a NFL QB but he sure wins and i would pick against the Pats even if a soccerteam would play them.

  169. By DKM on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett my Friend you summed it up. It is certainly not to much to ask for i like that and Rex toneing it down a little would be nice.

  170. By Allan O'Dane on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I can tell you why they didn’t fix the “D”..Rex Ryan. He believes he can mask this defense for all of its weakness and it cost him big games. You set Revis and Cro alone out there hoping and praying your d-line or LBs get to the QB. Well guess what?, teams watch tape and figured out Rex’s exotic blitzes. Unless he improves the pass rush from the front 7 we are going to get the same old story. Pace, Thomas and even scott has to go. Sione is solid in the middle against the run, BUT he does not push the pocket so it will effect the ILBs. Unless they draft athletic LBS and S teams will continue to kill us over the middle with TE’s. Check out Vontaze B. from AZ

  171. By scjoe on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I would have to agree that more then likely it was not one of those three (Revis, Harris, Pouha) Who said anything, but I think you get the point. In the real world, in a big business or a small business if an employee breaks the rules and is a top producer he generally gets a slap on the wrist, if he is a bottom dweller he is gone. That is the American way and the NFL and surely the NY Jets have adopted that philosophy. That is the point.

  172. By DKM on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    I dont think we should be even looking at Payton, he is a great QB, but with 3 neck surgerys you are most cerntainly 1 solid hit away from retireing. that being said it wouldnt cost us much they need to make a decision on him before march cause of the Money thats due, i believe thats makes him a FA. Correct me if im wrong.

  173. By scjoe on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, a couple of points you made that I agree with wholeheartedly are 1- with one or two plays in multiple games this team could have gone anywhere from 11-5 to 5-11 at the very least 10-6 to 6-10. That is the competitive balance that this league has been striving for since Pete Rozzele. 2- there needs to be change, “selective change” though, not change for the sake of change. I really don’t see any upgrade in Sparano over Shotty, not unless there is some untapped potential that Rex/Tanny see or know that we don’t. Once again I have to agree with my main man Joe Willie.

  174. By scjoe on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    64, I have to agree with about 90% of your thoughts, but disagree with your position on Rex. That is based on his results over the three seasons he has been here, the whole body of work as opposed to this year only. I honestly believe that it was Woody and Tanny that were determined to bring Sanchez in and Rex just went along for the ride. Many say he is not a very good talent evaluator but again, I think we need to be looking at Tanny and the scouting department on that one, not solely on Rex. Sure, he has input, but not the final say on personal decisions.As Ira said, we were just a couple of plays away from a 3rd straight trip to the POs, with little offense, that to me is impressive.

  175. By scjoe on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Just to continue 64, I know as well as you that Rex absolutely has to change a couple of things starting with toning it down a notch and keeping his opinions in house. Also getting more involved in the offense then in the past. With the latter being more critical then the first. That said, I really don’t see a more viable replacement out there. Your thoughts?

  176. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, where do you get the idea that Mr T hires himself? That it’s not Woody who calls all the shots? Some folks (ArteOldSchool, I confess) are amazed that I wasn’t impressed with wins over KC and WASH and knew it was 50-50 that we lost the last 3 games. What’s my secret? Jet Fan Denial, which goes up when our play goes down. Best case in pt lately: Talk of Brady and the Pats like they’re chopped liver instead of what they are, one of the best teams in the NFL and light yrs ahead of us. I guess anyone who thinks Sanchez and “ground and pound” is a way to win the SB can also somehow talk himself into believing that Brady is somehow average or vulnerable or overrated. As if last yr’s playoff with us was the rule instead of the exception…

  177. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Gabriel, only Rex thinks we’re a SB contender, the rest of the USA thinks we’re a joke. Wayne, stop the nonsense about Sanchez bringing us to 2 AFC’s, we got there for many reasons and to some extent in spite of him. DKM, you and others are talking like a team can be mediocre all yr and then luck out on SB Sunday. The reality is the Jets, for example, need to start winning the division, which means beating NE, then beat, say, BAL and PIT to even get to the SB, not easy to do with a “game manager,” of which by the way there are few on any top-notch teams now. GaryC, you’re easy to bait, I said that about our “positively sick” WRs because of our scheme and who’s been throwing to them. Holmes now and Kerley soon have the potential (cont.)…

  178. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    …to be awesome but not the way our O works now. As one guy wrote yesterday, what Rex is doing amounts to claiming that Sanchez had his 3rd mediocre yr (not “one bad season,” Gabriel) because of everyone around him, possible but common sense tells you it’s unlikely. Also unlikely that we get more than 1 or 2 starters, much less stars, out of the draft, especially the way we pick, i.e. where’s our Matthews and Raji? And FAs are pricy and risky. So as Frank says, it’s fantasy to expect a complete roster overhaul. Besides, Woody isn’t Santa Claus. Next yr is Rex’s 4th, Woody’s going to ask him to step up or step out. Why rebuild with a failed HC when you can rebuild with a brand new one who’ll demand his own QB, coaches, cheerleaders, etc.?

  179. By IRA on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, I hope so but really i think resting the players and the time off the Packers will come out rusty.
    Sparano’s mental approach and in your face ways will surely awaken some of these players. Can he call plays? Who knows i have to wait and see. One thing i know for sure the OL and running game will be better. The most important hire will be a new QB coach who i think they need real bad. Sanchez needs to be rebuilt both physically and mentally and i hope they hire Hue Jackson for that position.

  180. By Jet Blue on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    JFS ’64 should be commended for his insight into the game’s reality and the Jets in particular. True, lifer Jet fans have been feeling the pain and disappointment since Weeb took down Shula in SB III. Since then we’ve been subjected to heartache and promises never fulfilled. Richard Todd, throwing INTs to AJ Duhe doussed the flames of the NY Sack Exchange. Promising QBs like Browing Nagle & Glenn Foley never panned out because they were not NFL QBs, but at least it didn’t take 3 yrs to get that figured out. truth be told, Ken O’Brien was probably the best QB we’ve had since Joe Willy. That includes the one year of Brett Favre pretending he was a Jet.

  181. By Jet Blue on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    …But because we care, and have such passion for our team, we don’t sugar coat their shortcomings. Sanchez was never the reason why we went to the AFC Title game 2 yrs in a row. Measure the Jets success in how they play during the year. How many Division Titles have we won? How many times has Rex stuck is foot in his mouth? The true measure of a team is how they are feared and respected by other teams. The Patriots have that. The Jets do not. I hate the Patriots, but I wish I had Tom Brady on my team. I often wonder what the jets would be like if Belichick stuck around after Parcells left us hanging. Team with solid organizations like Pittsburgh always seem to find a way to win. We don’t need any more thugs or big mouths.

  182. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I told Arte yesterday it’s hard to figure the “known unknowns.” I can imagine talking to Rex off-the-record and him saying, “Woody made me take Schotty, then he made me fire him! Whaddya want from my life?” I can imagine Schotty saying, “How can you trash my play-calling when Mark can’t execute half of what I call?” And I can imagine MS saying, “If Schotty would let me call the game, we might have a chance of winning!” BUT you can see patterns in all 3 guys, like Rex’s emotional rather than reasoned decision-making (bench Kerley), Schotty’s weird contrariness (1st and goal? The “ground and pound” team throws twice!), and Sanchez’s lousy throws with no pass rush. And on balance it’s hard to believe they’re not all underperforming.

  183. By Jet Blue on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    …I don’t condone what Santonio did in public, but apparently its exactly what was needed. There’s a locker room full of players that saw how Rex ignored the horrible play of Sanchez and then would bench a player if he fumbled. All you Bloggers that are critical of those who are critical, go watch almost any other QB and you’ll see how fundamentally inept Sanchez is. Two AFC Title games? One can only wonder how many SB we could have won if we had a decent QB these last three years.
    JFS ’64, Thanx for your thoughful and insightful comments. True Jet fans are also football fans and know a bad product when they see it. I don’t know if Rex can bring this team back together. Not feelin’ it right now.

  184. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    As for a replacement for Rex, scjoe, well, I can only take so much time away from earning a living to obsess on the Jets. Woody has a comfortable enough lifestyle to investigate possible HC’s or have someone do it for him. My view since back when we considered hiring Stram (and foolishly didn’t) is that we need to hire a proven, veteran HC and give him what such guys usually demand, which is some FO and personnel clout. We have basically never done this yet we expect spectacular results from neophyte mediocrities like Kotite, Groh, Edwards, and Mangini, guys whose HC days come to an end shortly after working for us. I suspect Rex, a glorified DC who mistakenly thought coaching in NY was mostly about PR, joins that list sooner than later.

  185. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Also, scjoe, I think you’re misreading what’s going on here about Rex “getting more involved with the O.” If it’s true we want Haley to handle the passing side of the O, he’s not getting more involved, he’s doing what he’s done so far, which is farm the O out to other people, and why not? He’s got 1 yr, 2 at best, to turn the team around, he knows he can’t become a O wizard overnight. To some extent I’m okay with his approach per what Arte, who was WAY ahead of the curve in calling Rex something Randy won’t print, said to me yesterday: “Rex needs all the help on O he can get.” But let’s not mistake grabbing fired guys from weak teams for blue-chip leadership. Having spent much of 3 yrs clowning around, Rex has dug himself a very deep hole.

  186. By Christopher on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I personally would like the Jets to draft Cordy Glenn, not a glamorous pick, but one we would not regret (barring major injury).

  187. By SCfromNY on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Glad to see some comments on the DC. The Jets have reverted to being unable to play a full game and poor tackling. Too many mediocre players touted by Rex as great. Bart Scott comes to mind. And too many retreads. Rex sees the defense playing great in practice and forgets they are playing against the Jet offense.Too many times Jets unable to stop drives when they had to. Get Spagnola before Philly resigns him. Should also address the strength coach. Even if Alosi was an ass at least the players rarely looked gassed.

  188. By jetfan1 on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    What is the latest news or rumors concerning Haley?

  189. By Christopher on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    funny how at the beginning of the season everyone wanted Holmes and let Edwards go….I was the opposite from the beginning, and now everyone is starting to come around.

  190. By Mark@Jets Realty on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    “Fisher is a done deal for Maimi.”-
    Another great call by you know who.

  191. By cgb on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    3 out of the final 8 teams have elite QB’s, and 2 out of those 3 elite QB teams have the wors’t 2 defenses.It is still a QB driven league , but it cetainly does not take an elite QB to be a good team . A good defense,good run team,good ST play. Still better teams will get you were you want to be,providing you have good QB.

  192. By Chicago Bob on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Allan O’Dane – I agree with you 100%. I have been saying it over and over again the Jets will not compete for a championship until we can improve the front 7. Wilkerson was a start however he needs a compliment on the other side. Until Maybin shows us more, we really cannot count on him being an every down player. That being said, we need help at LB & DL. When you watch our LB’s and compare them to the great defenses, our guys are 1-2 steps slower. Dixon, Devito, Pitoitua are all second stringers and Pace and Scott are both on the downside of their careers. Obviously we could use safety help however when you think about it, it is shocking what the defense has been able to accomplish despite the lack of speed and talent

  193. By Bennett on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    JetFan 64 Woody is a hands off owner ( we don;t have a Jerry Jones here) and T-baum as the General Manager ands supposed football expert is in charge He sat right there and looked in the camera and said Schotty would be back next year. I guess you mean that Woody has T-baum on a short leash.

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  196. By GaryC on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, I might have to bring back the Johnny Lam Jones comparisions again like I did with clowney, will Holmes in his jet career catch as many balls as Lam Jones in his jet career,what is the over/under on that one.

  197. By scjoe on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    64, we did have that proven, veteran HC with FO clout, his name was Bill Parcells, and although he was “somewhat successful” he, like all the rest who’s name was not Eubank did not get it done. Why? Because in my eyes, when you determine what portion of success is on the coaching staff and what portion is on the players it is a no brainer 75-25 in favor of the players and how they execute on the field. In my mind there are not many HCs out there who can truly increase those numbers above, maybe Belichek, “maybe” That said, lets focus on the real problem, the players. This team needs an infusion of players who can do a better job of execution on the field, not musical and recycled coaches. If you doubt this analogy at all, just look to Indy,

  198. By scjoe on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    To continue 64. Indy had basically the same team and same HC this year as last, just one difference, the QB position. Do you really believe that that elite, dynamic QB can not make or break a HC no matter what his credentials are? If we had that “elite, dynamic” QB this year, with the same supporting cast and same coaching staff do you think we still would have come out at 8-8? It’s on the players for the most part my friend, history has proved that. Give me the elite QB over the “elite” HC any time. Whole point being, look beyond the HC, look to what he has to work with.

  199. By scjoe on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Alan O Dane/Chicago Bob..I agree with you for the most part, but I believe Pitoitua has a real chance of having a breakout season. He will be two years removed from his injury of 2010 and should be at full strength, and he certainly has the size, strength and athletic ability to be a really efficient DE in the 3-4. I think the future of the D line is Wilkerson and Pitoitua at DE and Ellis (if he is not in jail) at NT. I think the focus has to be on the OLBs and the safety position

  200. By SCfromNY on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    I would suggest and admitedly not aware of if it is feasible that converting Maybin to safety would gfive you a fast, sure tackling, big motor guy. I am not aware of his coverage capabilities. But if he could cover he would match up with the popular tight ends.

  201. By SCfromNY on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Yes! There was a team with an OK QB and a great defense that went to the Super Bowl. It was the 2000 Ravens. The way the Jets draft and pick FAs they will never be the Ravens. Sanchez should aim for Trent Dilfer and not Brady, Brees or Eli.

  202. By Rickie New York on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    I’m glad to have Tony S on board. I’m reading speculaton that Bart Scott, B Pool , Plax, B Thomas, Folk and a few other players who are free agents may not be back. I understand that there is change each year – last years change turned out not to be for the better, especially losing Woody. I think the Jets should add a couple of Jacksons to the roster. D’Qwell Jackson to replace B Scott for a simular salary and more affordably Safety Tanard Jackson from the Bucs who Ive watched many times and is a playmaker. Another affordable and SMART move would be to bring back Braylon who could be had cheap after a down yr in SF. Then build the run game in the draft – Decastro in the first – then a RB and any RT will be better than Hunter was!

  203. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, Woody may be a hands-off owner but I don’t think he’s raising money for Romney because he’s hands-off profits. yes, scjoe, we had Parcells but I always felt his heart wasn’t really in it with us. And you’ll get no arguments from me about needing an elite QB. Trent Dilfer and that kind of team winning the SB is ancient history, SCfromNY, even Tebow throws better than that. GaryC, I’ll go out on a limb and say Holmes will catch more balls as a Jet if he stays a Jet for a few yrs, which it’s looking like he will (Sparano ignoring the controversy). Thanks, Jet Blue, I like your posts too and while I still don’t really think Rex and Sanchez are likely to make it, it’s great to see REX “with his back against the wall” for a change.

  204. By joe on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    And two things regarding the 2000 Ravens NUMBER 1 THE TEAM ON D WAS LOADED WITH ALL PROS AND FUTURE HALL OF FAMERS Number 2 THAT WAS THEN THIS IS NOW AS THE RULES ARE MUCH DIFFERENT TODAY regarding hitting the qb and hitting defenceless recievers .THE 76 STEELERS didnt alLow a touchdown in something like 6 straight games anyone who ever thinks that will happen again prob thinks we can win a SB running the ball and playing loke JETS LOL.

  205. By joe on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    loL BELLICHICK IS probably the best coach in football BUT IN NO WAY WOULD IT HAVE MATTERED WITHOUT TOM BRADY.Take for example if BELLICHICK had a poor qb LIKE SANCHEZ NO COACHING is ever going to turn him into a 3x SB WINNER.

  206. By joe on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    ps EVERYBODY remember BACK IN THE LATE 90S when Mike Shahhohan AT DENVER WAS WINNING EVERYTHING ..Hows it worked out for him since WITHOUT JOHN ELWAY

  207. By Scottie Boy on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    See if Kenny O’brien can come back for a season, ( Think he still holds NFL record for most yards passed 430, with a perfect passer rating 158.3) Plaxico and Santonio would love the guy. #7 Braylon should be cheap…get em back. He has to need cash by now

  208. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Once again, joe, you show an admirable historical perspective that a lot of the see-no-evil Jet fans who buy Rex’s nonsense about “Mark” can’t even imagine. Not only have the rules changed in favor of O since BAL won the SB, they’ve changed since the Giants beat NE. And with record profits and popularity of the NFL, Goodell’s the last guy to say no, we need more games like back in the ’50s. I was telling Arte that while the SB prototype for years was ours with BAL or the relatively low-scoring PIT wins of the ’70s, now it’s PIT’s win over ARI — lots of big plays, lots of scoring, and a 4th qtr in which the last team to have the ball wins, like SF’s win over NO yesterday. To get to and win those SB’s, you need a solid D and an explosive O.

  209. By Bryan on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Ok!! Starting off good so far!! Soo with these rumors of picking up Peyton?? Nooooooooo!! Dont do it!! We need the Salary Cap!! What we need is a Solid strong offensive line and defensive line!! So pick up some solid offensive players ( to protect Sanchez) from other teams like Packers, Texans, Ravens, Etc!! Also we need strong defensive Linemen to rush the passer!! Our outside linebackers do need to man up as well! Lets make this happen! Awesome that we have a previous offensive minded head coach to help with our defensive minded head coach!! Now hopefully Sparano mixes it up more than Schotty did! So lets make big things happen instead of making Pepsi Commercials!!

  210. By Row on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    The biggest change I would like to see is Mark’s attempts to go way down. I think this team will find some big men up front like Pittsburg and be able to run the ball efficiently. I’d like a first or second round RB who doesn’t seek contact if we can find one. Greene or LT needs to go. I would assume they’ll let go of LT. (Which I disagree with) I think he has 2, 150 carry years left. Another thing I think we’ll see with Sparano is game plan effectiveness. Schotty refused to play against a teams weakness, even in the red zone. This will change. The one thing I really didn’t like this year was the teams inability to sustain drives. The thing with Sparano is he’s always got something in the bag of tricks. I think Kerley will be a highlight.

  211. By joe on Jan 23, 2012 | Reply

    SF GREAT RUNNING TEAM GREAT D LOST BALT GREAT RUNNING TEAM GREAT D LOST .These 2 teams ARE mirror images of what the JETS WANT TO BE .Without the elite qb NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. BRADY on a AVG TEAM is going to his 5th SB

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