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Sanjay Lal Added to Coaching Staff as WRs Coach

Posted by Randy Lange on January 13, 2012 – 4:56 pm

Updated, 6:25 p.m. ET

The Jets have brought aboard Sanjay Lal to be their wide receivers coach under head coach Rex Ryan and newly appointed offensive coordinator Tony Sparano.

Lal most recently coached with Oakland from 2007 through this past season, the first two years as an offensive quality control assistant and the last three as the wideouts coach, until head coach Hue Jackson and his staff were dismissed by new Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie.

Under Lal this season, Oakland’s wide receivers finished sixth in the NFL with an average of 15.0 yards per catch.  Fourth-round rookie Denarius Moore ended the season with 18.7 yards per reception, fourth among all qualifying wide receivers in the NFL.  In addition, former first-round pick Darrius Heyward-Bey totaled 64 receptions for 975 yards and four touchdowns, all career highs. 

Lal, 42, who was born in London, England, played WR for UCLA in 1989 and Washington from 1990-92 — and in fact was a member of the Huskies’ ’92 national championship team and earned selection to the school’s athletic hall of fame.

He was on the St. Louis Rams roster in 1998 and also played for the Scottish Claymores in NFL Europe in ’99. His college coaching stops included Los Medanos (Calif.) College in ’03, Saint Mary’s College in ’04 and California in ’05-06 before moving to the NFL.


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104 Responses to “Sanjay Lal Added to Coaching Staff as WRs Coach”

  1. By Jimmer on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Never heard of the guy. His credentials make me yawn. Who exactly found this guy to be an improvement? I’m not ripping the guy, but it’s not like the Raider WR’s were even that good.

  2. By scjoe on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    WHO???????????????? The only way I like this move is if he brings WRs Murphy, Ford, and Moore with him. I would even settle for Heyward- Bey

  3. By GaryC on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    lal was teammates with brunnell at washington, oh well I guess brunell is staying for awhile.

  4. By Karan on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    So far, everything seems to be going good. We just need a good passing game coach, i guess todd haley is good, i’m not that familiar with him, but i hope he can come here. We also really need a new running backs coach and definetly a QB coach. I think the steelers have one of the best running back coaches in the nfl, their backs just take off. Anyways, i believe rex will handle defense, with coaches and all. I can’t wait to see the roster changes, for the better this time! Loll, and one more thing, i’m so happy to say this once again, but guys, brian schottenheimer is no longer the offensive coordinator of the new york jets!! :)

  5. By sal on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    oh yeah the wideouts in Oakland had a breakout year, I am not feeling it as a Jet fan yet! 40 year Jet fan! What happened w/ Ellard ? quit or let go, like it was the recivers fault!

  6. By sal on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Cant figure the Brunnel situation, doubt he can play any extended time, what is it less pressure on the prodigy, Clemmens would of been the same money, as much competetion as Brunnell, but I thought that what was being a starter in the pros , competetion, if somebody out plays you , your out, dont understand this at all. and if anyone needs to be looking over his shoulders its this guy, not a rookie no more. played better when he had to in the past, not this year though. And the past is the past. No more we were in the championship game 2 years cop out either Rex, History!

  7. By MiIKE on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Not sure if I would put loads of credit on Rex for the two AFC championships. Alot was in place before he got here. The Brick, Mangold, Revis and Harris all drafted behore him. They already had an elite run game. So far has drastically improved the D but the O has been below average. I don’t like what they have done in the draft. Don’t get me wrong, I like Wilkerson and I think Wilson will work out but as far as 2nd round and beyond they haven’t hit on anyone other than McKnight. Ellis hasn’t looked good and Connor tries to kill guys when he hits them so much he misses the obvious blocks. Look at other teams in the draft that got so much out of late picks.

  8. By MiIKE on Jan 13, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Wallace, Gronkowski, James Laurinatis, Connor Barwin, Lesean McCoy, Louis Murphy, Jacoby Ford, Aaron Hernadez and Mike Williams. If our 1st rounders don’t turn out to be studs than why would late round guys come through as well. Is it scouting, or Mr.T and Rex just picking random players they just aren’t that god.

  9. By cgb on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    I never heard of him. It looks like he did some good things for heyward -bey in oakland. All his receivers in oakland had good things to say. looks like a young coach with alot of energy with some new idea’s.

  10. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    Ellard did what nobody could do with Edwards, get him to stop dropping the ball. I think he was unfairly blamed for Sanchez and Schotty’s dreadful season. But you guys will be surprised when I say that while I don’t think I’ve ever noticed Lal on the sideline, I sure noticed what his WRs did on OAK. Murphy, a 4th-round pick, averaged 15 in his rookie yr with Russell throwing to him. Schielens got surprisingly better, Murphy and Ford came out of nowhere to start having great games, and Heyward-Bey, who looked like a total bust in his 1st yr, just had a better yr across the board than any of our WRs. So Lal must be doing a whole lot right! And you, Jimmer, need to start braving the rowdy Raider fans at the sports bars and watch their games.

  11. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    That shoulda been “Moore and Ford came out of nowhere to start having great games,” Murphy had great games and established himself as a deep threat instantly in his rookie yr even with OAK’s revolving QBs, none of whom were as good as Sanchez when he’s on. And hey scjoe, I think it’s entirely possible that Lal might bring one of the OAK WRs to the Jets, if any one of them came cheap he might be a good fit. With all the holes we have elsewhere, we’re not gonna be able to draft more than one WR nor are we gonna break the bank on a WR FA, not because we couldn’t use one but because it looks like we’re stuck with Holmes and will have to get his head screwed on straight. Maybe Sparano, who sounds tougher than Rex already, and Haley can do that.

  12. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    An NFL.com post of the kind you rarely see here: “Enlighten us, Rex Ryan, what exactly is “being a Jet”? Is it blindly standing by players while being unable to admit your mistakes, the way you’ve stuck by busts like Sanchez, Greene, Ducasse, and Wilson? Is it the inability to pass the ball? I can’t be the only one who sees the irony that the JETS can’t attack through the air. Or is “being a Jet” defined as enduring mediocrity? Sorry a few guys called out your precious Sanchez but at least they had the guts to speak up and say something was wrong with the team, unlike you, Rex, who seems to think you’re already coaching the best team on the planet, with a great quarterback, and everything is just fine , which it’s not. Man up…,” etc.

  13. By Frank on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    Ira gee thats funny we need to hire Sparano to “light a fire” under the team especially the offense…Thats the head coaches job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rex confessed himself he wasn’t involved in the offense or defense meetings then what the heck was he doing?????????????
    Listening to him yet again blindly defend Sanchez yesterday was pathetic the guy is absolutley clueless and NEEDS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. By GaryC on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    Sanjay Lal, he sounds like a primary care physician, maybe he can speed up the metabolism of the wide receivers so they can get down the field faster.As a matter of fact after being around the raiders wide receivers this jet group my seem like a receiving corp out of the 1950’s.

  15. By jorge on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    this just tells me rex will be out next year after another bad seson time to go get cower and say bye to to the gm

  16. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, what you’ve commented on to Ira is the disease that Rex has infected this team with. He’s made so many excuses that people, even lifelong fans who should know better, start going backwards. Sanchez, who’s failed to play a complete game in the AFC championship, much less play consistently well during the season, can’t get the ball to Holmes, who was a SB MVP? Must be because Holmes is a bust! Rex has no ideas on O? Well, sure, that’s not the HC’s job, hand that off to Schotty or Moore or Sparano or Haley! To hear Rex say, if jokingly, “You don’t want me in charge of the offense” the other day was, at least to this lifelong Jet fan’s ears, NOT FUNNY! But like that guy on the NFL site posted, enduring mediocrity is a Jet fan tradition.

  17. By Jacques Stephan on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    I’m not sure of Sanjay… But it’s part of the “Change” the Jets needed to make. Schotty was the First that had to go. I’m looking forward to seeing what Sanjay can do. Plax will not come back and we have to keep Holmes for atleast another season… Hopefully he can shape him up. Can’t wait to see what we do in the draft and offseason. Positive Future… In JETS we TRUST

  18. By MiIKE on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    Rex Ryan era draft picks: Sanchez, Greene, Slauson, Wilson, Ducasse, Connor, McKnight, Kerley Wilkerson , and Powell.

    Sanchez is what he is, Greene is a 2 down complimentary back, Slauson is only playing because Ducasse is horrible, Wilson is a nickle back , McKnight will be Special teams only, Kerley is a 3rd down receiver, and Powell will never see the field. Wilkerson is the only legitimate starter out of all these guys. Ducasse I would have to say is Rex’s biggest mistake so far.

    Maybe they should hire Mangini as a draft consultant. 4 all pro’s in two years plus Leon Washington. That’s productivity.

  19. By GaryC on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    why is it when the giants were lousy for years,they made sure they brought in a top flight general manager in George Young to right the ship,the jets have endured 43 years and nobody in the nfl is looking out for them,yes,I guess the giants are number one in the city and number one in the nfl hearts.

  20. By sal on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    i liked Wallace too but I think that was the Revis year could be wrong! Tom Moore cant get it out of my sytem till i find out if he is in or out, then we can talk what a great asset he was!

  21. By fred on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    I see Woody Johnson in his suite asking himself who has the best shot at winning in 2012- Mitt Romney, Mark Sanchez, or Peyton Manning- when you look at it this way you have to say Manning despite the neck surgeries & the fact that he has been a indoor QB during his professional career

  22. By AK_JET on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    All you guys bashing Rex are killing me. Talk about jumping ship, all Rex has done is brought with him a Defensive scheme that allows us to be competitive even with a lame duck offense. Now that he’s bringing in people of his choice were gonna see an offense that compliments our overall philosophy and not spots the other team cheap yards and points. In a few years after our dominant reign catches on, other teams fans will be talking about how you need great defense and special teams to be elite and no longer trying to put up 40 plus pts a game will work. Now if only we had a QB to go with this style of offense…Mcelroy?

  23. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    And the biggest lie, one we’ve been told for yrs, is that Schotty is anywhere near HC material. Now that he’s finally gone in a yr in which there’s quite a few HC jobs in the NFL, where do you find Schotty? Interviewing for COLLEGE OC JOBS, not even COLLEGE HC JOBS! When the Jets would be 1st and goal the last few yrs, I’d say out loud to the TV screen, “RUN THE BALL 4 TIMES!,” especially during the Rex era. And then I’d have to watch Schotty run it once unimaginatively up the middle, then try nonsense like a goal-line crossing pattern to Wallace Wright, of all people, in the 2nd MIA loss of 2009, right after which is the exact moment when he shoulda been fired. Sparano doesn’t sound like the kind of guy who’d tolerate such idiocy, hooray!

  24. By GaryC on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    let me fix the facts to my previous post,I know there were different factions wanting control with Giants,and the nfl stepped in to fix the disagreement,don’t know how many other teams they would have done that for.definitely not the jets.being they are old afl and such.

  25. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    AK_JET, a lot of people on this site and around the NFL don’t think we have anything resembling a dominant D. I’ve defended the D because it’s been blamed for “losing” games in which the opponent’s O (MIA in 12/10, DEN in 11/11) scored as little as 10 pts. But there’s no doubt our D crumbles on 3rd down too often, hasn’t adjusted to the obvious new trends on O (you know which 2 players on NE I’m talking about, plus players at the same position on other teams), and in general lacks speed and playmakers. So once again, let’s lead with honest appraisal of Rex, not excuses and Rex-like obfuscation and exaggeration.

  26. By wayne on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    Alex Smith can be turned into a good QB, then same can happen for GQ. This organization just doesn’t know what to do with QBs.

  27. By Jack on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    What about a new Defensive line coach Mark Carrier should go and being in a new one. Need a new Running back coach as well Anthony Lynn need to go. I think Jeff Weeks is gone I hope let being in a new Outside linebackers coach.

  28. By Jack on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    let go get the DC, coach from the 49ers like WOW 49ers defense are the best I’m hoping they go all the way.

  29. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    Sure is somethin’ the way D wins championships. The way those elite QBs don’t matter. The way that “ground and pound” thing is setting the NFL on fire. Yeah, you need a good D, that’s why NO lost. And of course you need to be able to run the ball. But what you need much more is a QB who can step up and win the game almost by himself, like Smith did in the 2nd half which is why the 49ers won. And hey, all you Wildcat fans? You wanna try running it on the Jets with a QB who can also throw accurately, throw for TDs, and put big pts on the board? Well, then TRADE UP TO DRAFT DARRON THOMAS AND LET HIM “PUSH SANCHEZ” in 2012! I bet Rex and Mr T are talking about it already. How embarrassing for them after all that “Mark’s the starter” jive.

  30. By sal on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    is that set in stone Plax wont return, if so why, I thought he was class act all year, definitly felt un used, while sancheeeze went to his pacifier for mostly short gains, stairing down who he was throwing too. If the two were to go i rather show holmes the door, gottta keep Burris, then they would have succesfully dismanted a run game ,offensive line wide out core, a D who tell you the truth was always inconsistant on getting must stops when game was on the line, what else do they plan on screwing up. Is this team falling backwards or what, its like rex falling backward down a staircase, aint no stoppping that!

  31. By sal on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    What does Rex do on draft day when he meets potential players, it may go something like ths, Hey wanta be a jet ,pay like jet, say what on your mind, nomatter what it is, can you catch and tackle, dont you think mark is the best QB in the NFL, Yes, ok ur in good luck kid! next!

  32. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    As for Brady, of course — much less “Brady vs. Tebow” — nothing need be said, except by delusional Jet fans who think we’re anywhere near NE’s league. We won’t beat them often, much less win the division, until we have a QB like him. But back to Darron Thomas, the guy’s so fast that with him at QB and faster RBs and WRs, D’s wouldn’t know who to cover first. Even just throwing he looks incredibly good. And we may not be able to afford to let him go to either MIA or BUF because if he makes it in the NFL, that gives us another huge headache after Brady retires, if he ever does. Don’t be surprised if we bargain hard to downsize Sanchez’s deal just like we did to oust Schotty, Thomas could give us the kind of O we’ve never even dreamed of.

  33. By Viveca on Jan 14, 2012 | Reply

    After watching the Patriots and the 49ers play you realize the importance of big, athletic tight ends. I’ve never been that impressed with Keller. Yes, he’s better than average, but not elite. Just not physical enough, shows up in some games and disappears in others. We could have had Heath Miller, great blocker and reciever, Gronkowski and Hernandez too. I could go down the list and make myself sick over all the great players we passed on, or simply let go…It’s true New England has missed out on lots of picks too, but since they always have so many, it doesn’t seems to matter. All you have to do is hit big on a few. Something we’ve trouble doing.

  34. By Mark@Jets Realty on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve heard all the talk around the NFL QB’s-Rodgers,Brees,Manning-
    Give me Brady any day over those three-this guy bleeds champ!

    Jets need to bring in a Polian or Parcells as a consultant to stabilize things.
    When Woody sees sales of #6 jerseys fall off, he’ll do something.

    Jets are the joke of not only the NFL but all of sports.
    Rex, you make your bed, now you have to sleep in it.

    “These are the times that try men’s souls.”
    -Thomas Paine (or was it Weeb Ewbank?)

  35. By Justin on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    I wish the guy luck, but He’s taking the place of Henry Ellard, an excellent coach and former WR. I honestly think the talent is there considering there are good receivers on the roster, I just felt that Schottenheimers playbook and/or Sanchez weren’t capable of getting the ball down the field effectively causing the run game to struggle. Well since I haven’t heard about Lal I don’t know what to expect from him working with the WR’s Corps.

  36. By No one cares what Blinka thinks on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fan 64

    I admire your bitterness.

  37. By GaryC on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, you have giving up on ducasse and wilson,I thought you were seeing improvement in wilson during the year,I know you don’t like sanchez but now you are lumping Wilson with Sanchez,Is there more room under the bus.

  38. By Mike C (fan since '69) on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    Dear Tom (Benson – Saints Owner),

    I will give you Mark Sanchez and Santonio Holmes… and take Drew Brees and
    Marques Colston (a Hofstra alum…hmmm…I remember another receiver from Hofsta) off your hands… and remember, you’re getting the best of the bargain.

    Signed,
    Woody

  39. By Tom Spicer on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    This was a chance for the Jets to get a experienced OC one with a proven track record & they blew it. My expectations for next year are very low at this point. Unless the Jets make a splash in free agency I do not see us having a good year. There are just to many holes for this team to fill in 1 draft.

  40. By IRA on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    Well after watching games these past two weeks i thing is certain. The Jets sure have a lot of work to do. They are the slowest team in the NFL on both sides of the ball. Like i thought they must improve team speed. Aldon Smith looked faster yesteday then any player we have.
    Frank, If you watched the sidelines this year there wasn’t one coach who got inot a players face at all. Sparano will not stand for that.
    Like i said i believe Rex can get this done if not they just might have hired his replacement.

  41. By steven on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    Mark Sanchez needs to go to Quarterback shool. In particular Coach Mike McCarthy’s quarterback school. Arron rogers, matt flynn, brett farve and many other great quarterbacks learned all the sciences of being a quarterback. Even Tom Brady goes to Quarterback School. Greg McElroy goes to Quarter back school. If Mark Sanchez goes during the offseason, then you will see a change

  42. By scjoe on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    Mike, if you think that Rex Ryan is solely responsible for drafting these players think again. Look to the scouting department and first and foremost look to Mike Tannanbuam because he has the final decision on all personal moves. I am sure there were some picks that Rex went along with but I can almost guarantee you there were some that he didn’t. He is the HC not the GM.

  43. By scjoe on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    64, the only UFA WR on that Raider team is Schilens. If the price was right that could be worth investigating. I think you may be right about overspending in the FA market on that position though, however a guy like Colston or Bowe would sure fit nicely into the mix.

  44. By scjoe on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    It will be interesting to see how the draft plays out now that Sparano disclosed his ideas on what direction he would like to go with this offense. If it is going to be ground and pound will they go RB in the 1st rd? Will they go OT. If by some miracle they go WR what would that say about Tony’s credibility? I think once again yesterday’s playoff games proves that the most “dynamic” offense is the one that will prevail. The ground and pound went out in the 80s and 90s.

  45. By GaryC on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    looks like the closet giant fans on this site might see their giants get in super bowl again, as for the jet fans on this site who root for the giants you might get your wish.as for the jet fans we have plastico but no super bowl,oh well I guess the giants are a smarter organization.We needed Plastico badly, the giants just went and got bigger,faster receivers.

  46. By Kevin65fan on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    Well, so much for the “Elite” QB’s out there….ball control and defense wins championships. Thats what we have to build on like we did in 2009 and 2010. So maybe you have still 2 elite QB’s out there…but with the Giants…its defense won that game more so in shutting down Rogers. Brady is Brady….and I hope the Ravens get to him hard. The oldslogan still holds true…defense wins championships.

  47. By Chris from yonkers on Jan 15, 2012 | Reply

    Not impressed until I hear we got a QB to challenge Chez for the starting QB spot, this is a QB driven league and you better have a darn good one.

  48. By sal on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    There wont be a repeat of this season, see alot of non jet fans posting, its ok. NY will be the focus of the NFL next year, bank on it! If not Ill fish all season!

  49. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    I’m no Giant fan but I’m rooting for them ’cause the better they do, the more pressure it puts on us to get serious. Hey Spice, since you love QB stats so much, here’s one for ya: Eli has the highest 3rd-down completion % of ANY QB EVER for as long as that stat has been kept! So your way-too-literal, QB-rating to QB rating comparisons of Sanchez with everybody since Otto Graham ain’t worth squat. Also, when anyone tries the “Eli wasn’t elite in 2007 either” bit on the NFL site, I notice he gets slapped down by folks who pt out Eli’s arm strength and pocket presence have always beat MS’s. Woody better wake up, being the much lesser team in the same town, much less the same stadium, is a good way to end up The New York Jets of Rhode Island.

  50. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    O mighty Blinka, please tell me what pts I have most humbly made in your presence that lead you to approve of my bitterness, though it can never approach the glory of your own, so that I may strive to perfect it. While Arte’s optimistic that Sparano will be every bit as tough on the players as Rex isn’t, he thinks the better the Giants do, the more likely it is that we go after Peyton and he’s worried, as am I, that Manning is a dome QB and a good hit could take him out for the yr. Though I’d much rather rebuild the team from the bottom up, I know what Arte means about Woody and Mr T going for Peyton out of desperation. Like Sal says, how do you make the sale to new guys based on MS? Rework MS’s deal and a lot of stuff becomes possible.

  51. By IRA on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    So this nightmare of a season continues like i thought it would. All thats left now and it will be a Giants vs Pats SB and the Giants will win. They are the most balanced team out of the final four and as long as they stayed focused, hungry [something the Jets didn't have besides other things this year] and keep their intensity they will win the SB.
    So while we celebrated our 43rd anniversary last week for our one and only SB the other team in NY is close to making its 5th since 1986. OH THE PAIN!!!!!
    BTW Congrats to Schotty and best wishes with his new OC job with the Rams. Once the schedule comes out you know he will have the Jets game date circled.

  52. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Elaborating on the ascending Giants and the 2014 SB: If the Jets don’t totally turn it around next yr with Sanchez at QB, 2013-14 becomes a pure rebuilding yr, putting us out of the 2014 SB at MetLife. But if they change QBs in 2012, they have that whole yr to revamp the team and a much better chance to make it to the 2014 SB at home. Anyone who thinks these questions aren’t on the minds of Woody, Mr T, and especially Rex probably also thinks the Jets are still “the biggest story in town,” as Rex once put it. So two headlines are possible before the draft: “JETS INK PEYTON TO 2-YR DEAL” and “JETS DEAL SANCHEZ TO RAIDERS FOR #4, SATELE, SCHILENS” (not that those 2 guys are so great, but they may be available and could address needs for us).

  53. By GaryC on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    I will give rex kudos on being a motivational speaker,when he said the jets were the best team in new york he gave the giants the impetus to make a run to the super bowl, Coughlin couldn’t have done it any better.by the way rex, Pierre-Paul said the giants would beat Packers, don’t you wish you could predict like that.

  54. By GaryC on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, let’s get with it, Thomas runs a spread offense at Oregon just like tebow did at Florida, the same that Brad Smith ran at Missouri,If you are against the latter two, how can you have such confidence in Thomas,He isn’t a Fouts, another Oregon Alumnus.

  55. By Frank on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Sure gotta love those Giants!!!!!!! Hey TanWoody look at the roster they draft WELL and KEEP THEIR PICKS!
    What a smack down….Eli is an elite QB and better than his brother. Hey REX that is what one looks like…got it big fella.
    And you can learn a whole lot by looking at Coughlin and what he has done…HE KNEW HE HAD TO CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    This is looking a lot like Giants vs Pats round 2.
    LT saying the WR’s are the problem and source of comments…gee isn’t it swell….this team…REX’s team harmony…honestly I can’t think of a single thing this team can build off of this winter and coming season. REX NEEDS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  56. By Tom Spicer on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    From what I was told you had ZERO chance of beating a team with a ELITE QB. You had ZERO chance of winning a Super Bowl. But look now what happened Big Ben OUT! Brees OUT! Rodgers OUT!. LOL I think it is safe to say SOMEONE did not know what they were talking about. I thought since you had no chance of beating a ELITE QB the final 4 should have been the Saints & Packers GUESS NOT! & the Steelers & Pats GUESS NOT AGAIN! I guess the Ravens, 49ers, Broncos & Giants FORGOT TO GET THE MEMO! THE BEST TEAM WINS!

  57. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    And so the myth of Schotty as a hot HC prospect comes to an end as he takes an OC job with the Rams, probably the most pathetic franchise in the NFL, in some ways in even worse shape than us. Still, now we’ll get more of the story on just who is to blame for our problems on O. Will Bradford take to Schotty’s play-calling better than Sanchez has? Or will Bradford be reduced, as one guy posted on the NFL site, to “runs up the middle, 2-yd slants, and fade passes in the end zone to the shorter WR”? How much difference does Jackson make? (A lot, I suspect.) Anyway, this is bottom-of-the-barrel talk, our O won’t even be worth discussing until a good deal of the explosiveness that Sparano’s talking about is here, probably post-MS and post-Rex.

  58. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    I haven’t given up on either Wilson or Ducasse, GaryC, I was just reprinting a quote by someone else on the NFL site and I wasn’t going to edit it to my taste. What I mostly liked about that quote was how it went for the jugular in assessing Rex, which I’ve been doing for awhile now (and occasionally getting censored for it, though probably for breaking the rules about insulting language). Even Sanchez might still work out, though I’m happy to see 2012 is probably his last chance as a Jet. But the pressure of being in contention for 2014 aside, I’m happiest, almost proud to say that what I’ve been saying about this team since about 1972 still holds true: We’re going nowhere without building thru the draft under a HC with some real FO clout.

  59. By sal on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    if you look @ The season as a whole who many games were they spsnked had. no chance, balti new england etc.teams they compete wth a season ago off season they let most of the real team captsins (if there.should be such a thing) leaving a bunch of swash buckleing pirates to this wonderful season, how to you come back from that. ?

  60. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I’m not big on spread O’s but I’ve seen a lot of Ducks games the last 2 yrs and even went to a few and Thomas throws better than any spread QB I’ve ever seen, some folks are seriously underrating his pro potential. But I admit I was partly joking in the anybody-but-Sanchez vein. Spicer, get real, Eli is definitely elite, everyone in football is saying it today and the other thing they’re saying, including a few 49ers, is that Smith stepped up and played like he’s elite. Rex wants to beat GB by holding them to 20 but without scoring 37 or having 3 unstoppable WRs like Nicks, Cruz, and Manningham and until he gets real about how the game is won today, we’ll be a joke. But I guess you and Rex can keep talking about how great Sanchez is.

  61. By Frank on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    64 and the other Shotty bashers…we will find out soon enough. Shotty put together an offensive game plan around Sanchize-not being able to throw down field. When your QB completes 56% of his passes in a dink and dunk offense there are serious QB issues the numbers speak for themselves.
    Ira you took the words out of my mouth…Sparano could very well have the interim label in the future. Also Ira I have been posting for 2 years that we lacked team speed and it needed to be addressed and we have not done so. Brooks Reed was a beast yesterday I love the guy and wanted us to trade up in round 2 for him big mistake. We are a bunch of Clydesdales running around the field. Sorry to say the rebuilding is inevitable and should start immediately.

  62. By Frank on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer the Texans lost because they did not have Shaub…and Yates played better than Sanchize-Not in Baltimore this past season.
    The Packers lost because they had the 32nd ranked defense and it showed yesterday.
    We had the number 1 ranked defense, number 3 and number 7 or 8 this year and we still lost. SANCHIZE-NOT is the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  63. By scjoe on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Kevin65, you are forgetting that one of those “elite” QBs put up 32 points, that should be enough to win most games. Also, there is a better then even chance that it will be a NE-NY Giants SB with 2 more “elite” QBs and two defenses ranked #27 and #31 overall. Still think defense wins championships? I’ll tell you what, even if we see a SF-Balt SB, ( which I happen to doubt very much) two teams who do not have “elite” QBs, just good ones, I will still stand by my statement that you need a dynamic offense in today’s NFL to be successful. And I base that on the grand scheme of things, not just one or two games.

  64. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, it takes a lot for me to feel sorry for Ben R. but this denial on your part that the guy had no business playing vs DEN with the injuries he had reveals you to be truly fanatical. I also feel sorry for people like you because you apparently don’t see things happening until they’ve overwhelmed you. You won’t see the importance of QB play till every NFL team but us has an elite QB. Well, let me enlighten you: Mr T and Rex’s “Mark’s the starter” press conference will go down in the history books alongside Neville Chamberlain’s “Peace in our time.” Nobody bought what Mr T and Rex were selling and that’s why there are going to be so many changes. It’s just a question of whether Rex and Sanchez will be able to step up or have to step out.

  65. By scjoe on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    I can see a Jets fan worse nightmare coming. A NE-NYG super bowl. Given my belief that “dynamic offenses” win championships I have to believe that will be the match up. That said, here are my priorities for the upcoming championship games in this order.In the early game Balt beats NE in the late game SF beats the NYG. For both NE and the NYG to be knocked out would be heaven. However, should NE win game #1 I would have to be pulling for the NYG in the late game because I feel they have a better chance of beating NE then SF has. Bottom line, a Giant win in the SB over NE would be the lesser of the two evils. For me anyway.

  66. By GaryC on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I live 20 minutes away from Lucas Oil, how do you think I feel if I see another Giants-Pats super bowl,I might leave the country.I will root for the Harbaugh Super bowl.

  67. By scjoe on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, re: the “pocket presence” issue. I think pocket presence comes into play even more when you have an average to below average O line. Pocket presence involves a lot of things, foot work, feeling the pressure coming, decision making, stepping up in to the pocket when the lineman block down. Just getting rid of the ball instead of throwing it up for grabs or taking the sack. I just do not see those things in MS, and I hardly think I am alone. Not all teams have elite O lines, that is when the QB has to be in control more then ever. You can not deny the fact that a lot of those sacks this season are on MS not the o line.

  68. By Tom Spicer on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, So now all of a sudden Alex Smith is elite REALLY!

  69. By Tom Spicer on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, The Giants won cause there D stopped Rodgers THERE D!

  70. By Tom Spicer on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, In 2008 when they won the Super Bowl ELI completed less than 56% of his passes. As a matter of fact it was ELI’s 4th year in the NFL & he was worse in every stat than Mark EVERY SINGLE ONE! Alos the reason the Giants won that game is cause there D stopped the Pack O WAKE UP!

  71. By Tom Spicer on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, You quote about Big Ben not playing vs the Broncos is 100% FALSE. Watch the TD pass to Cotchery again he was under pressure & scrambled out of the way to make the pass to him. NO WAY IN THE WORLD DOES HE SCRAMBLE LIKE THAT. If he was not dam near close to 100% for that game 90% of the QB’s in the NFL cant scramble like that so to say he was not in shape for that game is 100% WRONG & A EXCUSE for the fact that the ELITE QBS are dropping like flys to the BETTER TEAMS!

  72. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Talk to the 49ers players who said Smith played like the elite QB that they think he is, Spicer. Besides, any guy who throws only 5 picks in a season is a lot closer to elite than our guy, who threw 2 picks in 1game to the same DL guy. I guess your 1-line post is a way of avoiding the other elite QB realities in play here, like Frank’s pt about Schaub, who was on his way to a possible MVP season, or scjoe’s about Brees putting up 32 pts including 2 4th-qtr TDs. Sure, you can’t expect to win with an elite QB and no D, which is why Elite Eli and the Giants were the most impressive in not just scoring on GB but dismantling their O. Anyway, we’re behind the best teams on D and behind most teams on O, so you need to pay a little more attention.

  73. By Jeff Butler on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    I read a mock draft and can’t believe Monte Ball from Wisconsin is not even listed in the first round! If the Jets are gonna go ground and pound I sure hope they draft him if he’s available, maybe even move up this guy is two times better than anyone they have now.

  74. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    No question it’ll be revealing if Schotty gets Bradford to do what Sanchez couldn’t, Frank. But like I started saying early this yr when Sanchez’s execution got really pitiful, you have to wonder if Schotty was only calling what he thought MS could execute, which some days looks like not much. Ira, Arte has been saying the same thing to me about Sparano (or Haley) taking over in 2013 if Rex can’t turn the team around. But as Frank and others have said, the coaching only goes so far. The Jets are under enormous pressure to revamp the roster, not just because of the 2014 home SB but because of the Giants’ improvement on both sides of the ball. Sparano’s in position to take over if Rex fails but he could also get swept out with everyone else.

  75. By Tom Spicer on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Eli was ELITE prior to this year YEA OK! 2004 6 tds & 10 turnovers 2005 24 tds & 19 turnovers 2006 24 tds & 20 turnovers 2007 won a Super Bowl 23 tds & 27 TURNOVERS 2008 21 tds & 12 turnovers 2009 27 tds & 22 turnovers 2010 31 tds & 30 turnovers. He was elite prior to this year YEA OK!

  76. By GaryC on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    If alex smith is elite so are brad johnson and trent dilfer.two super bowl winning quarterbacks,just like holmes and burress,two who caught touchdown passes in the super bowl.VERY ELITE WIDEOUTS.

  77. By scjoe on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    To put this whole “elite QB” saga into perspective let me say this. Having that elite QB may not guarantee you a championship every year, but what it does is guarantee you a spot in the tournament almost every year, THEN, it comes down to who is the most complete team of those who qualify. By not having that elite QB all bets are off. That is generally speaking because every season is it’s own entity. Want proof? Check out the number of playoff trips over the past decade for NE, NO, GB, NYG, and on a smaller scale Pit. Big Ben may not fall into the “elite” category, but he can carry that team when need be. Also look to SD and this year Det. Both with borderline “elite” QBs

  78. By scjoe on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    To take it one step further, lets try to do the math, my count off the top of my head for playoff appearances by teams WITH elite QBs over the past decade comes to about 36. That is NE, NO,Indy, GB, NYG, Pitt and SD. With that “elite” QB holding the Lombardi trophy a whopping NINE (9) times. That 36 of course is not official, it may even be more. I rest my case!

  79. By kleckofan on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    I won’t bang on Sanchez again at this point; it’s wait and see time now. The most stark contrast between us and the teams playing these past weekends is speed and strength and our lack of it. Big and fast receivers are here to stay…LB’s, safeties and CB’s must be tall, fast and able to tackle. Do we have anyone like that besides Revis? No. Aldon Smith, Brooks, Reed, Von Miller, JJ Watts, Ryan Kerrigan, Orakpo…do we need to draw a picture for our scouting dept? Look at Seattle’s and Sf’s safeties, then compare ours. Tannenbaum has been exposed as a publicity hound w a fantasy league mentality. He always want the big splash and has neglected to take care of important things like depth and character.

  80. By kleckofan on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    After sitting in front of the media and telling them (and us) that Schotty is still their guy, how can anyone listen to these guys about Mark or anything else?
    I remember when every other franchise was being run with an organizational chart that included a GM, exept for the NYJ…maybe we should go back!
    When will we get an owner who demands excellence/performance? Everyone wanted to get Mr. Hess a SB before he died, what’s the rallying cry now?

  81. By scjoe on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    kleckofan, all great points. But let me say this about the draft. It is no exact science. Also, there are so many intangibles to consider. Like the scheme the player is going into and the staff. But I think the most overlooked intangible is that of just plain getting lucky. I give you Bill Belicheks selection in the sixth round of a b/u QB out of the University of Michigan in 99 or 2000. Think that made him look like a genius? Bet he had absolutely no clue how that one would turn out. I have been following this game for more then 50 years now and I have seen almost as many top 10 busts as I have seen top ten jackpots.

  82. By XavM on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Quite disingenuous to say that Sanjay Lal was “in fact was a member of the Huskies’ ’92 national championship team and earned selection to the school’s athletic hall of fame.”

    The ’91/’92 Team was selected to the Washington Husky Hall of Fame, not Lal individually. Did Lal ever play in any games for the Huskies? The stats show he had zero career receptions for them.

  83. By sal on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    i though they would let crummarty go an tske ashot a joseph stii therr has to be a silver lining its not like they didnt know what they had which was a 500 team at best when trading starts is when we will know the direction but sorry i lost fait in the qb running game the wide outs(burruis and keller r ok) the oline needs one playrer and the d needs a pass rusher obvious to every on all post same thing over and over Tom Moore is he back that the least they can tell us pretty please one way or the other dont carecjust need to know

  84. By joe on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer not for anything but EVERY TIME you TRY to make a point how come theres ALWAYS 5 PLUS PEOPLE TELLING YOU YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOUR TALKING ABOUT.EVERY SINGLE TEAM THAT WON DID SO BECAUSE THEIR QB PLAYED AT AN ELITE LEVEL (there are no SANCHEZS OUT HERE SPICER )as evidenced by the NUMBER OF POINTS SCORED AND OVERALL QB RATINGS ECT.SC Joe, Jet FAN SINCE 64 TOM as usuaL FANTASTIC POINTS GUYS if SPICER was SMART he would learn something from your posts.instead of countering with sheer nonsense that educated football fans do nothing but laugh at.

  85. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe and kleckofan, you’ve made the case for elite QBs as a key factor, if not the only thing you need to win, better than I ever could. I don’t know if it’ll matter to Spicer, who I’ve finally realized doesn’t actually watch the games, he just reads stats or rather misreads them. He also apparently has ice running thru his veins and not in a good way if he couldn’t see how hobbled Ben R was vs DEN (and didn’t figure out that they gave him a massive shot of something at halftime so he could at least move a little in the 2nd half).

  86. By kleckofan on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe- you are so right, if not for the hit on Bledsoe our football lives would have been very different. Just once though, I’d like to see the NYJ catch lightening (not flashlights, no slight to Chrebet)in a bottle like that.

  87. By GaryC on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, the giants winning will get the jets on board to improve,I thought getting your head handed to you by New England every year would have had the jets thinking about improving already,As for Alex Smith, yes he is having a good season,not Elite, because he is managing the game,like sanchez did when jets got to the last two championship games,Niners got the defense and Harbaugh isn’t taking undo chances,like what the jets did,also a good running game,like the jets had,Smith is doing the same as sanchez did with 6 more years of starting experience.

  88. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks, joe, Spicer’s sadly behind the curve on the Sanchez question, which he’s preposterously inflated into a suspicion of elite QBs. He talks football the way Karl Rove and David Axelrod talk politicians, straining to turn obvious strengths into fatal flaws. Well, I have a lot more respect for NFL QBs than politicians so as farfetched as it seems to Spicer, I’ll continue to insist that until we have a QB who at least approaches Brady status we can stop dreaming about winning the division over his team. kleckofan, the biggest story of all may be Clinkscales possibly leaving, if he’s responsible for some of the terrible picks we keep making while our MetLife neighbors draft well every yr. As for Mr T, we need a football guy in that job.

  89. By Tom Spicer on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, You talk about Smiths 5 picks but you forgot to add his rookie like 17 TD passes & that this is his 8th year. Yes it took him that long to start to play decent.

  90. By Tom Spicer on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, Your back I thought you were hiding with your tail between your legs. You guarenteed that Rodgers would face Brady in the Bowl. How did that work out for you?

  91. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC and Spicer, nobody in their right mind would claim after one game that Smith, who was terrible for yrs, is suddenly an elite QB. But he won on Sunday by playing like one and his teammates were the first to say that he could be elite. (They even used that word.) It’s a little like Sanchez last yr when although we always started slow, he was impressive in making 4th-qtr comeback wins. This yr we started even slower, partly due to MS and partly due to other problems like injuries and a complete lack of preparation for them. So we’re all on the same page now as to MS getting one more yr, which you advocated about halfway thru this season, Spicer. Only problem with that is possibly missing out on the NJ SB in ’13-14 if MS doesn’t improve.

  92. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    The other problem with waiting so long for Sanchez to step up, GaryC, is that SF’s situation isn’t anything like ours. They’re one of the great NFL franchises and not directly in competition with the Raiders, another great franchise that’s cooled off in recent decades. We, on the other hand, play in the same stadium with one of the oldest and greatest NFL franchises that has become greater by way of 3 SB wins to our 1. We’re gonna look like the 1960s Angels next to the 1960s Dodgers if we don’t step up damn soon, so we’re not exactly in the position to stick with a mediocre Sanchez while the QBs coming out of college keep getting bigger (Newton), stronger (Newton), more accurate (Dalton, Luck) and maybe even smarter (Dalton, McElroy?).

  93. By scjoe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    My take on Alex Smith and the SF-NO game. No, I would not put Alex Smith in or near that “elite:\” status just yet, but what I saw this year was major improvement over last season, for what ever reason, and that is all you can ask for. As far as the game itself? It had nothing to do with the SF defense, what happened was SF beat NO in a shootout. They simply outscored them. If there were another minute or so left on the clock this would have been a NO victory.

  94. By joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer the way these guys are throwing the ball around and scoring points should make YOU ASHAMED to even think of SANCHEZ (ONE OF THE WORST QBS IN FOOTBALL )Spicer every team that has won has done so PLAYING MODERN FOOTBALL =THERES NO RUNNING TO SET UP THE PASS PS last time I CHECKED BRADY AND ELI WERE PROBOWLERS are there teams still playing

  95. By joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    PS JET FAN SINCE 64 TOM as USUAL SPICER IS DEAD WRONG ON THE BIG BEN INJURY THEME as you have posted correctly ROTHESBURGER REQUIRED MULTIPLE PAIN KILLER SHOTS TO TRY TO PLAY ( lol only a complete fool would claim the guy was anywhere near 100%)

  96. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    I gotta admit, joe, I don’t know what Spicer was on about with trying to pretend Ben R wasn’t crippled out on that field. What’s more, he plays that way all the time, did so last yr. As Champ Bailey said of him before the game, “He plays BETTER when he’s hurt.” But apart from that, the pt I really like in your posts today is about how no one runs to set up the pass anymore. They run sometimes, yeah, and there are teams that run more than others. But no one seriously says the kind of stuff that Rex does like “If it was up to me, I’d just run the ball” and it’s pretty funny that the first thing Sparano, his “ground and pound’ OC, said when he got to Florham Park is that we have to be more explosive on O. (Marshall’s a Pro Bowler this yr.)

  97. By EricM on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Jets need experienced tall WR like Marques Colston who can stretch the field, who became a free agent, hope his personility is not like DeSean Jackson. I look at the Jets rooster and see Patrick Turner, he was under used this whole year, he has the size at 6’5 feet, not sure about speed. Enough of this “ground and pound” rarely wins superbowls, because once the team falls behind in a game it’s hard for them to come back like the Jets. Jets were second to last in big plays in 2011! That’s the problem, Sanchez won’t throw the ball for 20-40 yards. WRs for 2012, Holmes?, Patrick Turner (give him 1/3 of snaps), Kerley (slot), Plexico (special plays and in end zone, Marques Colston or another fast, big explosive WR down field, maybe a drafted WR

  98. By JETSFAN44 on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    The problem with the jets D has been the same for the last 2 yrs they don’t have a safety on the roster who can cover a TE pool is a joke smith is a special teams guy and a box safety he is not a starting safety in the NFL case and point he had the angle on cruz in the giants game and he got beat down the field he is too slow and has no cover skills past 8 yards. Leonhard is a solid leader and a smart player we should resign him and draft mark barron from bama.

  99. By JETSFAN44 on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    As far the jets problem overall its a very simple answer its not the coaches its not the qb or the diva wr its not even the fact that we cant seem to find a pass rush no matter who we throw in and how many we throw at the opposing qb the jets problem starts before all of this. THE JETS CANNOT DRAFT!!!!!! Every year i watch the draft and im dissappointed bc they do something stupid like wasting a 7th rnd pick on scotty mcknight? use that pick and take a chance on one the hundreds of undersized de’s and try and see if u can make pass rusher out of him if not it was only a 7th rnd pick and it was a need that you tried to address not picking the qb’s best friend to make him happy.

  100. By joe on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    JET FAN SINCE 64 TOM Big BEN played the last FEW GAMES wearing two entirely different SHOES (BECAUSE OF THE ANKLE PROBLEM )AND SPICER SAYS hes physically fine. SPICER do you eve bother to

  101. By joe on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    HEY SPICER if ROTHESBURGER was physically fine WHY WOULD HE BE WEARING 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SHOES AGAINST DENVER. LOL CORRECTED YOU yet another TIME SPICER .

  102. By scjoe on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Jetsfan44, I sure can’t disagree with you on that 7th rd pick last draft. I truly believe the only reason they drafted him was because of his ties to MS. Maybe they thought there would be some magical chemistry there and he would become the next Wayne Cherbet. I think what they should have done with that pick is take the best available punter/kicker because God knows we need an upgrade at both those positions.

  103. By steven on Jan 20, 2012 | Reply

    Get that punter from LSU. He’s one of the best ever

  104. By scjoe on Jan 20, 2012 | Reply

    Steven, that punter from LSU is a huge, huge upgrade over what we have, problem is he is only a freshman.

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