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Pennington on Sparano: Right Fit for the Jets

Posted by Randy Lange on January 16, 2012 – 2:12 pm

With the arrival of Tony Sparano as the Jets’ offensive coordinator, it’s not a reach at all to wonder what Chad Pennington thought about the move. That was an immediate thought of our reporter, Andrew LeRay, and mine as well. So why not give Chad a call and find out? Which is what we did.

“Tony’s a fiery Italian and he loves football. He’s what we call a football head,” Pennington said from his South Florida home the other night. “He enjoys it. I think he enjoys being around the players. He enjoys that part of the game. He certainly understands it’s not just about the X’s and O’s.”

But Sparano does know the X’s and O’s are important. Combining all of it, he came from Dallas as Miami’s new head coach in 2008. That was the year he guided the Dolphins to their remarkable rebound from 1-15 to 11-5 and the AFC East title and helped Pennington, in his first season as an ex-Jet, to career bests in completions (321), yards (3,653), interception rate (1.47 percent), 19 TD passes to seven INTs and one fumble lost, and a 97.4 passer rating.

“Well, knowing him as a head coach, I think he will require his offense to do three things,” Pennington enumerated. “No. 1, be physical. No. 2, avoid turnovers. And No. 3, avoid negative plays. And that’s kind of what our recipe for success was in 2008 and we were able to make NFL history.”

A phrase that has come into the NFL lexicon of late is “chunk plays,” plays that pick up a bundle of yardage on the way to a length-of-field touchdown drive. As noted here and elsewhere, those were missing from the Jets’ attack this past season, but they were in evidence with the 2009 and ’10 ‘Fins. Pennington explained the philosophy.

“It doesn’t necessarily have to be a 40-yard throw down the field. It can be short or intermediate throws that turn into chunk plays,” he said. “Coach recognizes the importance of chunk plays. It allows your offense to breathe a little bit and have more success. In the NFL you can’t methodically move the ball down the field every drive. You need chunk plays to make it a little easier.”

I asked Chad to wear his analyst’s hat, which he donned for Fox Sports this season as he worked his way back from shoulder and knee injuries, and offer a glimpse of what he sees ahead for Mark Sanchez.

“I watched the Jets a little bit on and off this season,” he said. “I think the biggest thing for Mark is to use 2011 as a learning experience, really dive into the film this offseason. Learn from the film and just focus totally on the film and the work at hand, and use the year as a steppingstone to getting better. That’s the No. 1 key. You can’t just erase it and move away from it.”

Pennington also put on his QB’s hat to remind fans of something else he thinks is important for Sanchez.

“You’ve got to remember he only played one year of college ball as a starter. He’s a young guy, only in his third year in the league. He never had the chance to make mistakes behind closed doors. He’s always been out in front of everybody because he’s been the starter. He must get better and mature. I just think it’s a matter of time. The ball’s in his court.”

I asked Chad about the little matter of time that has turned him from the Jets’ first-round QB of 2000 and their Montana-esque (one of the adjectives used for him at the time) starter in that almost-great ’02 season into a fellow wrestling with his football future a mere decade later.

“It just shows you how much time flies. You don’t really believe it until you get on this end of it,” he said with a laugh. “I’m doing great. I’m really enjoying being the father of three boys. I’m just trying to work through all the emotions of playing or not playing, moving on with my life. That’s what I’m dealing with right now. It’s not the hardest thing to go through … it certainly provides some challenges.”

So does that mean that the rumors we heard this season, that the one-time NFL Comeback Player of the Year would try to come back one more time for the ’12 season, aren’t true?

“I don’t know if I’ll play again,” he said. “Some days I feel like I can, some days I don’t. I think the biggest question is whether I can trust my shoulder or not, whether I can look my coach in the eye and say, ‘You can trust me.’ “

Trusting Pennington’s shoulder to hold up to the rigors of an entire NFL season is one thing. Trusting his word is never in doubt. And he says Tony Sparano is a keeper for the Jets.

“I have a lot of respect and love for Coach Sparano. I think he’s a fantastic coach,” he said. “What he brings to the table is the right fit for the Jets.”

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196 Responses to “Pennington on Sparano: Right Fit for the Jets”

  1. By Jean Baroulette on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    It’s obvious Mark could use some of Chad’s insight. Would he ever consider the move into coaching? The Jets need a QB coach. Without in the injuries this guy would have led the Jets to a title.

  2. By oasus on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t know about you guys, but I think Chad would make a good coach.

  3. By Keith Beckett on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    While I agree the hiring of T. Sporano was a good one, I feel more needs to be done in improving the coaching staff. I would consider bringing in B. Billick to help the offense. His knowledge and rapport with R. Ryan seems to make a lot of sense to me. I am also of the opinion that an upgrade on the defensive side of the ball would help the “TEAM” as well. I am thinking J. Del Rio could work wonders as a LB coach, an area where the team is aging and will be going through a transitional period.
    There are many area’s where talent upgrades are needed, it is easier to list the areas where they are not: C,LT,OG,FB and CB. Without final-4 free agency restrictions and plenty of draft picks I am thinking the holes can be filled.

  4. By Jersey Joe on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Yup – I like the Sparano hire, now they just need to complete the deal and convince Chad to be the QB coach. Think they have to dump Holmes and Plax – after what L.T. has said on the record now – he has diagnosed the “cancer” the team must surgically remove it – best case scenario would be a trade, could Jets expect a 4-5 rounder for Holmes? Jets can and should build the team through the draft, big fast receivers and Tight ends are coming out every year.

  5. By len on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    chad should come back to the jets as qb coach

  6. By IRA on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Wish some way we could get Chad back as a b/u QB or QB coach or anything that he could work with this team on a day to day basis. His leadership and smarts is exactly what this team could use.
    I agree with Chad about Sparano his style will really be a wake up call to this offense.
    GO JETS!!!!

  7. By scjoe on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    The numbers Chad put up in Miami as their starter after the Jets “disposed” of him tell you all you need to know. My thoughts? If we can have a Mark Brunell as the b/u starter to MS why can’t we have Chad? A definite upgrade. Or, if not as a player, how about as a QB coach? That is providing Chad would ever step foot back in the Meadowland s considering how he was treated.

  8. By Steve on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    T.E.A.M. Together Everyone Achieves More.

  9. By Jean on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Randy, since we can’t ask the question and you can how about posing it to the Jets Management and Chad. Would the team consider cultivating it’s own. There is no doubt in my mind he would eventually be a stellar OC. Competition is good and would help Sanchez, so bring in another QB but voice not too far removed from the field would be invaluable to his progression.

  10. By Steven on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    If you will put Mark Sanchez into Coach Mcarthy’s Quarterback school during the offseason, Mark Sanchez will grow as a Quarterback by leaps and bounds. This offseason is the time to get better. Farve, Manning, Brady, Aaron Rogers, Alex Smith, all went to quarterback school. Greg McElroy went to quarterback school for years. It will only help him become a great QB.

  11. By scjoe on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I have to disagree with your statement that it was the Giants D that beat GB. The packers had almost 400 yards of offense, that can hardly be attributed to facing a great defense, they had 1 INT and three lost fumbles. But even worse then that was that totally ridicules on side kick attempt they tried. WHY?? No, sorry, it wasn’t the Giants D that beat GB it was GB.

  12. By joeyjets12fla on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    i don’t think rex would have a problem with chad comming in as a Q coach but MR.T might. remember, he’s the one who dumped him for BRETT FAVRE.

  13. By joe on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    WONDERFUL SPARANO gets fired we land him and some a are estatic.Was he able to turn HENNE into MARINO I THINK NOT.Accordingly will he turn Santhez into NAMATH FORGETABOUTIT.REMEMBER ITS TALENT THAT WINS AS A COACH AT THE PROLEVEL CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH .

  14. By kleckofan on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Not so sure about this hire. Of course, arguing about what he did in Miami is like revisiting the Scotty/Sanchez, chicken or the egg paradigm. Was he conservative because of his QB’s or did his QB’s suffer w his play calling? I think once he got Matt Moore settled-in the O was a bit more open (Henne may be Mark’s twin in skill set). Sparano was very innovative in college (small school Univ New Haven, CT) and w Dallas too. We don’t have a lot of those “chunk” play kind of guys on the roster, if any. We need alot of solid moves in FA and the draft, we don’t need flash and the back page. Get back to being tough…that’s what “Play Like a Jet” should mean.

  15. By commentman on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    ok, so the fans agree that Chad should coach Sanchez, now its up to tanny to do it, i agree, get rid of plax and holmes and just use the draft to our advantage, i’d say get 1 WR in it than focus on O-line, D-line, saftey, and maybe a kicker, but WR and TE shouldn’t be priority in the draft because of the improvement over the year, Kerley, Keller, Turner, Cumberland will be back and maybe we could attempt to get J-Co

  16. By wayne on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Sometimes a change is needed. This was one of those times….Chad’s point was well taken in that GQ only played 1yr @ SC. His coach also warned about that. Yet Jets put no contingencies in place.THEY SIMPLY GAVE HIM THE POSITION. Joe Montana gets to compete, Mark Sanchez doesn’t? The next QB coach for this kid will be huge. Because Schottenheimer never oversaw the successful development of a QB and neither has Sparano. First thing Parcells would have done was make him rue the day he decided to do that first GQ spread…That he did a 2nd one. Decision making, highly questionable or maybe he thought 2 afc championships granted him a pass…..

  17. By joe on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply


  18. By wayne on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Chad’s a bright guy so he’ll probably want to find something in front of the camera. I think he’s too nice though. Gotta be willing to put the hammer to the guys you use to play with to get those gigs. Should get something for a couple a years then do what his dad did and he also was born to do….COACH.

  19. By SCfromNY on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    The Giants also had to overcome officiating that I have not seen since Dallas home games in the 90′s. Their defense kept Rogers from finding receivers. Too many teams just rolled over for the Packers. Would I love to have Rodgers as a Jet? ABSOLUTELY! The Giants like the Pats and Saints gave up yardage without allowing scores. A rating system that needs to be fixed.


  20. By russ on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    the Jets goal of winning a super bowl is second to Somalia putting a man in space…see ya draft week…

  21. By Manny BKNY on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Chad doesn’t have to be a on the coaching staff to help Sanchez. They can work together in the off season and review film. He can give Sanchez tips and advise on how to be successful in NY.

  22. By Another Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    I agree that we should somehow part with Holmes..His attitude and probably His big contract have created dissention..gotta move Him. 3 Free Agents We should have signed last year..Sproles, Whitner, and Akers, they would all bit perfect fits on this team

  23. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Chad might be a good QB coach or he might not, seems like a lot of folks are saying that because they like him personally and have good memories of him as a Jet, at least before injuries destroyed his arm. (You’ll recall he threw terribly in his “comeback yr” with MIA, barely squeaked out wins vs bad teams, and then looked horrible against BAL that yr in the playoff game that took them out of the post-season immediately.) Personally I think we need a tougher approach across the board, not just with Sanchez but with Mr T and Rex, and I don’t know if Chad would bring any of that. Good luck to him, though, he was a class act as a Jet.

  24. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Speaking of cutting slack excessively to sentimental favorites, can someone explain to me what the hell LT thinks he’s doing by speculating that it was Holmes and Plax who criticized Sanchez anonymously? This would be a useless thing to say even if, or rather especially if, LT was planning on coming back next yr. But to say it just as the controversy is dying down and when he’s talking about retirement makes no sense at all! Is he already anxious to get a network job bashing the Jets like Jenkins and Woody? Just goes to show folks have different definitions of words like “class” and “leadership.” Out here in L.A., a lot of SD fans grumble about LT not showing up in the post-season because of overblown injuries and lack of killer instinct.

  25. By DKM on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Well, Well that is interesting that the Giants didnt beat the Packers but the Packers beat themselves, scjoe that coming from you didnt suprise me why would you actually give the Giants credit, the man who is ready to dump any QB, HC, OC, DC, GM, Owner in two thirds of the NFL if you happend to cheer for them, but you not you are a Jets Fan, to bad for us. Imagine you would be rooting for the giants and with what happend yesterday they have no right to advance this is how bad they played arcording to you. Will there ever be satisfaction for you, i can see you and some other no matter what the jets do you never will be happy.

  26. By DKM on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    Randy good Job there getting an opinion From Chad to keep this hiring sane. If anybody knows Chad would. Im one of the few Jets fans who acctualy shed a Tear wehn Chad left. To this day his great preformance in the PO against the Colts (my then young sons first PO game), the win in the Regular season before that against the Packers to get into the PO(the loudest i ever heard the old Medowlands stadium) still my favorite games. Stop, people running Sparano out of town before he coached his first game. If next year tanks you will get your chance soon enough.

  27. By DKM on Jan 16, 2012 | Reply

    To pick up on the discussion before the weekend it looks like that it seem that from the Big 4 QBs only 1 is still standing remeber before the PO ELI wasnt considert one( he certainly made a case for himself) so it still comes down the running game (49ers) and the defense (Ravens) and im not blind the BEST QB to play the game (Pats). After this comming weekend maybe i still have hope with a “decent” QB wich Mark can be and a good solid running game and great defense wich Rex has proven he can provide we do can Win a SB. Just saying. Ira and spicer i think there is hope.

  28. By Another Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    The Giants are a class team built the right way..I wonder how many Jets would even start for them..Revis, Harris, Mangold..maybe Keller..not many

  29. By cgb on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne, does it really matter what Mark S. is doing in the off season. He is so committed to getting better and spending endless hour’s learning his craft. So who really cares what he is doing in the off season for a week or two. You just like calling him GQ, you do it all the time. You know some of these players have lives outside of football.

  30. By cgb on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    It would be great for Sanchez if chad would come on board, and help mentor him for awhile. For right now i see two immediate obstacles. The first, chad might not be ready to hang up the cleats. The second, is the way this organization uncerimoniously dumped him. Chad is not expecting a call, and if he did get a call, it would have to be under special circumstances for him to accept the position..And i just don’t see that happening. Tanny, this is a worthy pursuit. Put some energy into this ,and the jets will benefit greatly.

  31. By punchie on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    dunno about pennington but i think bart scott should get the job as LB coach hes lost his hit power and no i don`t mean open big hits i mean plug the gaps and still stop them in their tracks and as a result i think the opposition is no longer respecting the chatter and there for there is less of it. That said his knowledge of rexes D and especially the LB core could be a huge plus.And if you stay on the roster bart put on an extra 10-15lbs of pure HURT and prove me wrong as i have no problems with being wrong on this.Oh yeah give tone time a smack in the chops for me. Leed the team D and O if necessary

  32. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Hmm, Schotty doesn’t seem to have closed the deal on the Rams’ OC job, Hue Jackson is interviewing for it today. If what each guy was able to do with his QB and WRs last yr is part of the equation, Schotty might be back to looking at college OC gigs soon.

  33. By IRA on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, Thats right the most important hire they make this offseason will be their QB coach. Can’t see them keeping Cavanaugh.
    Not sure what happened with Schotty and the Rams i now see that Jackson will interview for OC. Hope he doesn’t get it because he would be perfect for Sanchez.

  34. By uncle joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    The way early mocks look now, we can move back a little and still pick up WR Mohamed Sanu in RD. 1. Use what we get for moving back to move up in RD.2 to get 3-4 DE Derick Wolfe. Maybe we could trade Holmes and a 3 to move into the second round and get TE Cody Fleener, I would include Keller in that trade if I had too.

  35. By uncle joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Get a Right Tackle in free agency and maybe a Safety like that one Nelson on Cinn. and we are set.

  36. By joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    i think that now we got sparano, we should get t. haley… they’re both decendants of parcels and all this talk about other players will END!!! they wouldnt put up with that. we need a tackle, 2 safeties, and a pass rusher wether it be a dl, or lb. we should keep holmes and plax tho, many thing they talked about were somewhat true. under shotty they never got the ball cause they would dip and dunk down the feild and because of that i understand the frustration. they are good talents and will help us alot, we just gotta be consistant and patient.

  37. By uncle joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Can’t blame Sanchez, the O line was TERRIBLE this year. Holmes is not a #1 WR, he is a novelty to a team with other weapons. Burress lost his legs early,he gets no separation and Sanchez was afraid to risk an Int. Keller is not a TE he is a novelty just like NE’s Hernandez, we need a REAL TE, losing Cumberland CRUSHED us this year because we still don’t know if he is the answer now or if he will rebound from his injury.

  38. By uncle joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Still don’t know why Jets never went after Oak’s TE Miller or Giants Boss for that matter. Every succesful QB has a 6’5″ TE,especially cold weather teams. Mason and Holmes destroyed this team. Sanchez needs to gain control of the Huddle much like when Eli had Tiki Barber and that loudmouth TE ruining his huddle.

  39. By uncle joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Dump Holmes, take the lose and move on. Draft Sanu and go with Turner as the #2,at least he runs his routes and caught passes when he was in there. Kerly will KILL teams in the slot AND GET A TALL TIGHT END,can’t rely on Cumberland but if he does come back and play well imagine TWO 6’5″ TEs on the field at the same time, with 6’4″ Turner who is a very good blocker and 6’2″ Sanu,McKnight in the backfield. If we run it would be WELL blocked so teams would need their run D in and if we pass that would be FIVE very good targets against a Run Defense!

  40. By Allan O'Dane on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    When Mark steps back to throw you hold your breath..because you don’t know if he is going to throw a bonehead INT. And I am sure other jet fans on this site feel the sameway. With chad, even if threw 10 or 20 yard passes it was on the money. Chad didn’t throw INT’s. I was really angry when they let him go. It would be nice to see him become a QB coach this is guy is very, very smart. Sanchez has some work to do. And being a film rat will help. This is why Peyton is among the greats..He looks at film as a coach. Well, all I can say is that we need more ex-jet players such as Curtis martin and Chad to help bring some class back as coaches. But then again coaching is not for everyone.

  41. By DKM on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Just to add to the odditys of hirings, im not saying they good or bad, how about Jim Fassels as QB Coach. He was considert for wihle a pretty good QB coach. Just saying.

  42. By Allan O'Dane on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Solving the Jets issues won’t be easy, BUT there are some players that can help while we develop players thru the draft:
    Back up QB: David Garrad to push Sanchez
    RB: Forte or Hillis (Greene not a starter)
    WR: Edwards or Colston (Plax maybe gone. We have to keep holmes money wise)
    OL: Demetrius Bell or Carl Nicks or Gaithers
    DL: Mathis/Osi/Abraham
    LB: Jarret Johnson/ E.J. Henderson
    S: Lowery / Landry
    Mind you this is a wish list. These players will be available via FA.
    Can’t get everyone but at least two players such as Osi and a OL will help right away.

  43. By GaryC on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    first of all,relax with the draft, all the juniors coming out haven’t declared as of yet,so you won’t know whose available at what spot.why is it that many players who leave the jets go Immediately to a television gig.It only shows that they were one step from retiring before they became jets.Pension receivers do not get it done in this Nfl.Plastico and Tomlinson will be the next in line to get the makeup done.

  44. By Allan O'Dane on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Oh yeah..and those who thought I was crazy when I said Rex got the wrong Raven LB…well..I don’t look so crazy now do I?….He maybe a tad slower but his passion for the game and his leadership skills are unquestioned and he still hits like a mack truck.

  45. By GaryC on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, jet fan tom knows I always mentioned Fassel as the offensive coordinator,Here is another guy, Norm Chow, who is now working at the universtiy of utah,coached sanchez at Usc, what not at least talk to him.

  46. By oasus on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Hey randy, did we ever find out what draft pick we got for Lowery and what draft pick we gave up for Schlauderaff? Or hasn’t that been released yet?

  47. By Randy Lange on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    oasus, neither the NFL nor the Jets have yet released official draft picks. All I’ve seen out there for each trade was an “undisclosed conditional pick,” from the Jaguars for Lowery and to the Packers for Schlauderaff. As soon as we get something official, we’ll pass it on.

  48. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Another Tom, the Jets thought LT had a lot left (I didn’t), so we didn’t consider Sproles. LT faking Whitner out of his shoes scared the Jets off him, and of course Rex had to inflate Smith and Leonhard’s value for reasons unknown to honest evaluators of talent. The aging Akers wanted a multi-yr deal and got it from SF while we don’t seem to believe in that at K and P. uncle joe, your ideas about WRs and TEs are intriguing but if you had half as much imagination on how we’re gonna teach Sanchez to play consistently well, he’d be in the Pro Bowl. Allan’s thing about the unnerving suspense you feel every time MS goes back to pass is how every single Jet fan I watch the games feels about him. Maybe 3000 miles make it easier to be impartial.

  49. By wayne on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    CGB, yes it does. Yes it does……..Rookies(including McElroy) should shuddup, come in and quietly prove they belong….But the USC QB seem recently to want to go Hollywood…..He went Hollywood. He gotta live that down. And it may never happen….His coach warned. Jets didn’t listen……..Bradshaw has to compete. GQ, no……Staubach gets to compete, not so GQ. Simms had competition, Hollywood gets a caddy.Regardless of what Mangold said or anyone else, he will have to win back that lockerroom….BLEEP JETSWEST, COME IN BUFF AND GRUFF,NOT SVELTE, PRODUCE AND THEN YOU CAN DEMAND PRODUCTION FROM YOUR TEAMMATE AND GET IN THEIR FACES AND LET THEM KNOW ABOUT IT….LEAD.

  50. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, GaryC’s been advocating Fassel as OC for several yrs now, let’s see what he has to say now that you’ve brought him up again.

  51. By Rich on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Saprano will help McElroy develop into a decent starting QB if the Jets dump Sanchez, Slauson, Hunter and Holmes. If Sanchez isn’t traded or released before training camp then we’ll learn a lot about Saprano simply by his recommendation for starting QB after working with Sanchez and McElroy.

  52. By wayne on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Holmes needs to be gone, but Tannenbaum overbought when they panicked because they thought Washington would get into a bidding war with them….I said it here, the Skins coach wanted no part of another headcase after the previous 100mil bungle. He was only gonna get that kinda loot from the Jets….They need to bite the bullet. Make a statement. But that would put the spotlight squarely on Mr. Tannenbaum…………………And by the way, the Edwards ship has also sailed…..Kerley, is a nice WR/PR, do you guys realize, T and scouting hasn’t delivered ONE QUALITY WR to this team in years.

  53. By Chicago Bob on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Sounds pretty familiar – 49ers have a QB they were ready to run out of town and along comes a quality offensive staff and turns the kid’s career around. Not saying Sparano and whomever else they bring in will do the same however we need to try before we dump this kid. Stop with the WR in the 1st round talk – anyone that thinks drafting a WR in round 1 will unseat the Patriots is dreaming. As long as Brady is at QB, he feels very comfortable in the pocket and will pick the Jets apart – no WR is going to change that. We need people on the other side of the ball he will need to account for – next year he will be another year older and a little slower in the pocket – get some people who can rush and get him out of his “comfort zone”

  54. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    What is the significance of Matt Higgins leaving? Was he actually forced out? He probably shoulda been if he works in Jets business affairs, because this team is consistently cited by football folks far and wide as one of the worst-run NFL teams decade after decade. I’m optimistic that Woody and his advisors, of which Higgins is said to have been one, are giving Rex a yr to turn it around and then turning over a new leaf as far as HCs go. But I hope we can avoid the boom-or-bust cycle of rebuild for a few yrs (Chad), panic, rebuild for a few yrs (Sanchez), panic (Peyton). The answer is to rebuild CONSTANTLY even when you’re on top like PIT and NE do, but that doesn’t seem to be in the Jets’ DNA…

  55. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    In that boom-or-bust cycle that I cited, the QB that shoulda been listed in parentheses after the Chad phase was, of course, Favre. Though as many here have noted, it’s curious to say the least how Favre had one of his very best seasons as soon as he escaped Schotty’s clutches. (To be fair, Favre was doing pretty well for us until his arm was obviously hurt…and no one in the Jets FO admitted to it, at least not publicly…)

  56. By uncle joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Chicago Bob, we need a top pick WR because we NEED to dump Holmes and Burress. If I was King for a day I would then do whatever I needed to move up to early second late 1st and grab 3-4 DE DERRICK WOLFE. I’m tellin you people, he’s a BEAST. With Wilkerson/ Ellis/ Wolfe we would be set at D-line with youth, OH YEAH,,,,They better not let Pouha go ANYWHERE!!!!!!!

  57. By uncle joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    And let’s let these young LBs like Mauga,Bellore,Mcintyre and Berring play, they can’t be any worse than what we have now. As long as our D-Line and secondary are sound we can experiment with the LBs.

  58. By Tom Spicer on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I respectfully disagree the Giant D held the Packers to 20 points & the Pack were at home. They averaged 35 points per game holding a team to 20 points at home is shutting them down. Think back about the game & what do you remember. I remember Rodgers constantly having to scramble for yards all day. Why cause he was under constant pressure from the Giant pass rush all day. The Giant D was a mess during the year teams were throwing all over them. In the Jet game they turned a corner & started to play lights out. Since then they shut down the Jets, Cowboys, Falcons & Packers. The Giant O has been great all year not until there D got it together did they start to become the team they are now.

  59. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Chicago Bob, Cimini cites a mock draft today that, while not including undeclared juniors as GaryC says, has the Jets taking S Mark Barron from Alabama, which should make you feel better and certainly would make ME feel better! And I agree with you about another DL guy, uncle joe, though I hope K Ellis still works out. I still say the draft order, assuming we have at least 7 picks, should go something like S, OL, DL or LB, WR, S or DL or LB, maybe an RB, maybe another LB, or some other mix of all of those. Don’t see how we can get more than a #4 or so for Holmes when we got him for only a #5.

  60. By Biggie Brown on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    GO JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!

  61. By cgb on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne, again the two are unrelated. I do agree with what your saying, and i understand it totally. He needs to gain the respect of his teammates. Show them that when the odds are stacked against you and the wind is blowing in your face you can lead this team. Man-up ,don’t go into a shell, like we have seen this season. Sparano will be good for Mark.For Mark it’s more of mentally how he handles himself ,then what he brings physically to the field And finally he needs a true competition next year..I had said somthing to this effect in an earlier post.

  62. By cgb on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    ’64 Tom, I think Higgins leaving has more to do with a business venture then anything else. Remember all that talk about Curtis Martin wanting to get into the business side of football ,maybe be part owner somewhere. Matt Higgins talks about his relationship to CM in this article. It just sounds so obvious a connection,there’s probably something to it.

  63. By SOCALJETFAN on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Now that The JETS have a new offensive coordinator,now they just need to adress that o-line,to give SANCHEZ time to find his receivers,and please get rid of Plaxico,he was slow this year,Patrick Turner at least hustles and makes things happen,JETS scored a touchdown on that last drive of the season,SANCHEZ TO TURNER,what did it take like 2 min to score…

  64. By Chicago Bob on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Uncle Joe, I am with you 100% on Holmes and Burress however that most likely will not happen – maybe one but not both. Yes, we do need a WR however you cannot put your pass rush hopes on one guy (Ellis) who is extremely raw with a huge legal issue staring him in the face and an unproven rookie (Wolfe). There are some quality WR that will be available in free agency that can hold down the fort until we get a stud. Unfortunately this defense is one of the slowest in the league and needs an injection of youth BIG TIME. When you put Smith, Leonard, Pace, Harris & Scott out on the field, you are talking about 5 starters with below than average speed. Neither OLB has elite pass rushing skills and all our RDE’s are second stringers on a good D.

  65. By scjoe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Randy, just out of curiosity, is Chad still under contract with the Dolphins or is he an UFA. Never say NEVER!

  66. By Randy Lange on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I don’t know the answer to that.

  67. By Danko on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    I think the Jets could use a little Chad back in the system. Hire Chad as a coach or at the very least a consultant and mentor to Sanchez. I believe Sanchez could be great with the right guidance and with a combo of Sparano and Chad he could get there a lot quicker.

  68. By IRA on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Everybody is focusing on the offense and they should. Still think one of the biggest mistakes they have made since Rex is here is getting rid of rhodes. Yes we all know there was trouble between him and Thurman. I can’t believe that couldn’t be fixed. Sure he got hurt this year but in 09 with the Jets and 010 with the Cards he put up 153 tackles,7 INT’s,25 PD’s,and 5 FF’s.Plus he could cover a TE which they haven’t had the past 2 years. This was a huge error and they have paid for it with their no coverage in the middle of the field the past two years. They will certainly draft and sign a FA safety this year.

  69. By Jetsman on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    it would’t hurt to let chad work with sanchez to help him improve. But I can’t say anything about sanchez untill I see him under sparno. I will not blame him for the poor play caliing by shotty good for 6 quarers and stink for the next 12 quarters.I’m glad he is gone I been saying for 6 yrs to get rid of him .

  70. By uncle joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, Rhodes? I’m surprised at you! Rhodes was terrible his last year here. Hey,,,would LOVE to see the Jets get Toon’s son in this draft if we pass on one in the 1st round. 64 Tom, that Safety Barron is not worth the 16th pick.

  71. By uncle joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    And Chad was a Great Guy,end it there.He is not a QB coach and he is not coming here.

  72. By scjoe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    spicer, I can’t disagree that the Giants D is playing better now then they were 5 or 6 weeks ago, but, lets not forget the packers moved the ball (400yds) and scored 20 even though they turned the ball over 4 times, and as I stated earlier that ridicules on side kick attempt broke their back. I think those factors contributed to the loss just as much as the Giants D did. Also, the point I have been trying to make all along is that offense wins in this league today, the Giants had more of it then GB did, that’s why they got the W. If their D had given up 10 pts and held GB to under 250 yds maybe I would give them more credit.

  73. By scjoe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    I would overwhelmingly agree with those who say NO WR in the first round. Do the NY Jets need a WR? Absolutely. Just not in the first round, not with the number of other needs at more critical positions such as a RT, a safety, and an OLB who can actually get some pressure on the QB. I think you can plug almost any average WR in to this offense and make it workable. But we all witnessed first hand that it is not to workable with a RT who has no business being on the playing field, or a safety who can not cover even the lesser TEs in this league let along the Gronkowskie’s of the world. As for OLBs? I won’t even go there.

  74. By scjoe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I agree 100% re: Rhodes. I am not saying he is all pro material, but what I am saying is he is better then anything we put on the field this past season. I think you can even make that case for Digs and Elam. I am a Jim Leonard fan, no doubt. he is all heart, no question. He just does not have the prototypical size to play that position in a league where the TEs are being utilized more and more in the downfield passing game.

  75. By oasus on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I personally want to get Upshaw if we can. Upshaw could be our Von Miller, easily.

  76. By CaneJet on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    From what I’ve seen from time to time, it looks like Chad’s not interested in coaching in the NFL (if he coaches it will be at the high school level like his dad).

    But I wouldn’t mind seeing him go to to Cortland for a tutoring session with Sanchez.

    And if his shoulder recovers he’s be the perfect #3 QB.

    Give him back his old #10 and make Tone wear another number…

  77. By joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    PLEASE to the people that say JUST DUMP HOLMES IT= WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN .(FRANCESSA ADDRESSED THIS ALL LAST WEEK ) THE SALARY CAP RAMAFICATIONS WOULD KILL THE JETS .Mike T could never go to WOODY and tell him he gave HOLMES 25 MILLION DOLLARS for 1 year guaranteed .ALL OF THEM WOULD BE FIRED As FRANCESS pointed out ABSOLUTELY POSITEVELY NO GM could ever get away with spending 25 million of an owners money for 1 year on any player.

  78. By Allan O'Dane on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Anyone heard about this S from the Titans: Michael Griffin? Robert Mathis will be available via FA. Calais Campell DE from AZ also.

  79. By joe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    SC JOE i really think JET FAN SINCE 64 TOM IS CORRECT when he said SPICER DOESNT EVER WATCH A GAME INSTEAD READS STAT SHEETS ECT .JOE YOUR EXACTLY CORRECT AS Manning (and fumbles ) won that game for the Giants not their Defence.(lol when a team allows 400 total yards the ball is being moved)

  80. By Tom Spicer on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I agree with your statement that “offense wins in this league today”. It is totally different than it used to be all of the rules are geared toward the O. You can not hit the QB high, you can not hit the QB low, you can not hit a defenseless WR & no helmet to helmet contact. There are many more that I probably am not thinking of. What I disagree with is guys coming on this site saying the best team does not win & that all that matters is the QB. This is not basketball where 1 guy hogs the ball & this is not baseball where 1 pitcher strikes everyone out. This is a team game & always has been thats why it is the most popular sport. The O line matters I dont care if the QB is Jesus if you dont have good blockers you are not doing

  81. By Tom Spicer on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    anything. Also on the D side of the ball if you dont pressure the QB you cant win. I dont care if we have 2 Revis’s you cant cover someone forever eventualy they will get open. The game is won & lost at the line of scrimmage & has been since the first game was played. That is all I am saying.

  82. By IRA on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    uncle joe,
    He had trouble with the coaches. He was by far the most talented safety they have had in the past 10 or so. Besides him i would put V. Green in that conversation.
    As for the draft so hard to tell until we see what they get during free agency. They have so many needs the safest thing to do is take the best available player when they are ready to pick in the 1st rd.

  83. By GaryC on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Look,most of the free agents out there now will be signed, just like ngata and some others last year.as for a safety in next years draft,if he declares Rambo from Georgia might be better than Barron.nfldraftcountdown had that mock draft with jets selecting Barron, right now these guys are just throwing names out there,look at some of those mock drafts they select guys who already said there returning to college like Barclay at usc and Teo at notre dame.

  84. By Clarke W. Griswald on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    It’s funny, in ’09 the Giants went 8-8 and the Jets went to the Championship game. Now two years later the roles are reversed and the sky is falling around here. The team was in desperate need of change, even after the AFC chip game they needed a change. Now we get to see next season whether it goes one way, or the other.

  85. By Mark@Jets Realty on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Now we need Kerry Rhodes back????
    First Fisher signing with Dolphins was done deal and now we miss Kerry Rhodes.
    What’s next! Mike Westoff is a great coach?

  86. By DKM on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Well some of you guys are glowing already, Jim Caldwell out and im sure listening to the PC in Indy, Manning is next, thats at least what i got from that whole Theater. The old out the new comes in.

  87. By DKM on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    JFS 64 why not ill give him a shot cant be any worster than what we had or have. He went to a SB, didnt win it, that should mean something. I wonder if he angered the wrong people in the NFL cause he never got back into it. Just saying.

  88. By MiIKE on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Love the idea of bringing in Chad. Have the highest respect for him. Having guys like him and Curtis Martin represent your organization means you’ve the right moves.

    On the draft, Mr T, Rex and Woody please draft the best player available and please hold in high account that players off the field actions and on the field leadership and attitude. I would take Luke Keichy if he makes it that deep and move Bart Scott to OLB if he still is a Jet. He is Zach Thomas reborn could use him beside David Harris.

  89. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    I’m glad that’s all your saying about QBs, Spicer, because I don’t think anybody, certainly not scjoe, me, or joe, are saying that all that matters is a QB. It’s just one of the things that unquestionably matters most. As for other things that matter, uncle joe, tell me why you don’t think Barron’s a #1 pick, I’ve only seen him play once or twice. Ira, Rhodes has put up okay numbers on ARI but if you’ve been watching the games their D gets blown out a lot, especially in Rhodes’ 1st yr with them, so a lot of his stats are garbage time, when they’re already well out of the game. Besides, with us he was also (1) slow and (2) not a playmaker, and if there’s anything we need on both O and D, it’s speed and playmakers.

  90. By DKM on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    IS the QB vital to the succsess of a team yes, is he the most important Part to win a SB, dont agree, the Team as whole is still the most important part to winning a SB. I do understand where you guys ( JFS 64, scjoe, joe, wayne etc.) come from, however i still think just like spicer that mark has earned the right to vindicate himself. And for Rhodes i remember there was a time we couldnt get rid of this guy fast enough ME,ME,ME,ME. How would that helped him and Holmes on the same Team. As for the draft lets get to the FA signings first, by then the draft has completely changed beside the first 3 selections, so does our needs. Yes agree again IRA lets draft the best player availebale we havent done that in a while.

  91. By DKM on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, like the norm chow, dont think Mr.T or Rex would consider it. I would be suprised.

  92. By MiIKE on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I respectfully make it a point to read your blog whenever I check the site out but as far as Kerry Rhodes goes trading him was a know brainer. Jets D improved so much when he left. He was a horrible tackler and was too tall to match up on WR. If your idea behind this is to match up on NE big TE’s than yes maybe an asset but not for his ridiculous salary. It seemed as if Kerry played for Kerry and was only looking for the big play. Kerry Rhodes as a rookie maybe, Kerry Rhodes after a new contract, no way.

  93. By scjoe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    oasus, I would agree with the selection of Upshaw in the 1st round. I also like DeCastro the G out of Stanford or a couple of RBs (Miller UM or Wilson VT) and of course Barron the safety out of Bama. As of right now you can probably pick up a Wilson or a Miller with a trade down, that would be ideal. Then maybe get a safety like Iloka (Boise St) in the 2nd rd.

  94. By scjoe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, all points well taken and I agree with most of them, the O line, the OLBs the D line, all of them. But I think the point that 64, Joe, and myself are all trying to make is that the QB position is still by far the most crucial position of all and it was really lacking “most” times during this season. Bottom line? I think the team in general needs a lot of help. Looking at the defense first, how many “quality” players do we really have? 4, 5 at most? On the offense? Maybe about the same? So, I hear you, there is plenty of blame to go around and Rex/Tanny have some work to do.

  95. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    I looked back through the posts and can’t figure out who you’re referring to as maybe being worth another shot, DKM. Tell me who you mean and I’ll respond.

  96. By scjoe on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, there is a very interesting article by Peter Keating on espn.com regarding QBs, there progress and their potential going forward that you may be interested in reading.

  97. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    Re the elite QB question, maybe we can all agree with Collinsworth on this one, if not feel all that great about the team that he uses to illustrate his point. From the NFL site: The Giants… are riding the biggest wave of momentum entering Championship Weekend after knocking off the Packers on the road. [They're] also a balanced team, arguably more so than any remaining in the final four. And as far as NBC color analyst Cris Collinsworth is concerned, it’s no longer defense that wins championships. “I think it’s complete teams that win championships. And right now when I watch the Giants play, I think they’re probably the most complete team.”

  98. By cgb on Jan 17, 2012 | Reply

    canejet, thats a nice idea. Let’s start sending the message to players nobody is above the team. Put the #10 on a quality individual and show tone this is the way you act. Then everyone will see that jet management is tighting up the ship, and if you want to board this plane you better change your attitude.

  99. By scjoe on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Now I see what a couple of you guys are talking about with the “closet Giant fans” here on this site. I have one of them harassing me here on the NY Jets web site simply because I gave the Giants D no credit for their GB win. Well, I stand by that statement, live with it, and if you are a true Jet fan DKM that statement should not bother you at all, if it does, then there is another web site I recommend you move to, it is called nygiants.com. You wont find me there commenting on that team one way or another.

  100. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t know which is weirder, Ed Reed calling out Flacco the week of the AFC Championship or LT saying Sanchez needs competition when he’s contemplating retirement. Guess I have to go with Reed, one of Rex’s heroes, for acting the same way as Holmes only much worse at a much more critical time. But the real story here for Jet fans enamored of Rex and the way he runs this team can be summed up in a simple question: What are the odds of any Patriot ever talking about any other Patriot that way in the press at any time, much less right before a big game? If you don’t think the answer to that question says a ton about how far the Ravens, and the Jets, have to go before they can even dream of the Patriots’ across-the-board success, dream on…

  101. By IRA on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    So Haley is not coming to the Jets according to reports today. You know maybe thats a good thing. I thought having two guys involved in calling offensive plays could’ve been a power struggle at times especially with guys like Sparano and Haley. Still think they need to get a new QB coach for Sanchez.
    Tom, Rhodes was a playmaker before he received his big contract. Thats when things started to go south with him. Still think he had lots of talent and should’ve been a Pro Bowl player if he was in the right situation and wanted to put in the work to earn it.

  102. By Tom Spicer on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, You or SCJoe did not say that but someone else who shale go nameless did (I am trying to be nice). He said in detail you can not 100% win the Super Bowl without a ELITE QB, your O line does not matter, your WR core does not matter, your coaching does not matter, your D does not matter & that you cant improve after 50 starts as a QB all of which are wrong. Eli & Brees were game managers at best well into there 70 ith start. Also until Brees went to the Saints & got a new coach Sean Peyton he was average. Until this year Alex Smith was 100% a bust until he got jim Harbugh so to say a coaching change cant help is GARBAGE! The Jets got Parcells & went from 1 & 15 to 9 & 7 in 1 year. Miami got Sparano & went from 1 & 15 to 11 & 5 in year

  103. By Tom Spicer on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    a coaching change can help it has been proven OVER & OVER AGAIN.

  104. By Tom Spicer on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, To add to my point from yesterday about the Giant D. The Giants lost 4 in a row they were realing. They gave up 27 points to the 49ers in a loss, lost to the Eagles without Vick, gave up 49 points in a loss to the Saints, 38 points in a loss to the Pack, beat the Boys but gave up 34 points & than lost at home to the Skins. There D was a mess than they turned the corner. In the Jet game they held us to 14 points as the road team, held the explosive Boys with Romo, Witten, Bryant & Austin to 14 points, SHUT OUT the explosive Falcons with Ryan, White, Jones & Gonzales & than held the 35 point per game Pack to 20 points on the road. You can not understate the job there D has done. There O has been great all year not until there D

  105. By Tom Spicer on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    stepped up did they become the title contenders they are now.

  106. By Frank on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    64…Rhodes was slow and not a playmaker? You are dead wrong on that one buddy. He was exactly that fast and a playmaker did you watch the games??? Rex sent him packing because he, Rex somehow diminished his game. Rhodes had his worst year as a pro under Rex…gee go figure that one out.
    As a matter of fact we have seen a steady and drastic decline in personel since Rex took over. His input in personel decisions has been down right awful and one of the reasons this team is on a rapid decline. His attitude stinks it reaks with this narcissistic notion that everyone wants to play for him and he will turn them into allstars. It is exactly that attitude that has lead to a team of me first players and created the cancer that now exists.FIRE REX

  107. By GaryC on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    yeah scjoe, I was the first to mention closet giant fans on this site,jet fan tom knows what I speak about,like old dodger fans rooting for the yankees,so many people in society want to be associated with winners they go against their own convictions,As Judge Joe says Man UP.

  108. By oasus on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Like I said, this year is the last chance I’m giving MS. I gave him benefit of the doubt because Shottenheimer didn’t play to the team strengths. If he can’t improve now, he might as well get out of New York because it will be clear that he can’t handle the pressure. Somehow, he isn’t going all the way, and that needs to happen. No locker room antics, no ice cream socials, just put your head down and do your work.

  109. By russ on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    with a strong OL Shotty will wow the league in offense..with a pass rush Jets make playoffs

  110. By ChasmGM on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Sign Pennington as QB coach NOW!!!

  111. By Jim on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    I am a Dolphin Fan and I like the Tony Sparano hire for the Jets. I hate that miami fired him be he is a good caosh. I Chad Pennington would be a great coach.

  112. By Frank on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer you are dead wrong yet again dude. Brees was a top 10 QB when he left the Chargers and was a 63-65% passer something Sanchize-NOT isn’t. His accuracy is a MAJOR problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Eli steadly got better each year and did not have a top 10 defense and strong running game behind him like SANCHIZE-NOT did.
    There is not a single game in over 50 that you can say SANCHIZE-NOT carried the team. Not a single one…everytime we needed him to step up in a big game he has not gotten it done. TANWOODY GO GET MATT FLYNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  113. By wayne on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, can’t agree more. Hale’s seeing shadows. Not a good thing………….You boys are funny……..Me too, I’m a closet Giants fans as well. It isn’t possible to root for more than one football team, hey?….Jets need to build a team the way the Giants and Rangers, yes those same Rangers that have been kicking some Islander tail, built a team…..i’ve said it all along, WIN THE RIGHT WAY JETS…..That kid in Denver is worth rooting for as well……….Won’t mention his name….LOL…………………………………………………….What the heck, I lied…………………TIM TEBOW!!!!!!!!!!! MAN, LEADER…………………………………………………LION HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  115. By wayne on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    I hope for Mike T and Rex’s sakes they don’t go out and draft a safety #1. Improve the front 7, back 4 plays better……….Jets, your QB needs a rungame to succeed……So that would make perfect sense to go draft a safety.

  116. By JETSFAN44 on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Frank…… I was a huge rhodes fan his first few yrs in the league and i agree he was athletic with good size and could play the position but he didnt fit rex’s system at all he was trending down the year before rex got here bc he started worrying about being on tv and getting interviewed more than he wanted to play football. He stopped being physical and constantly waited for ball carriers to come to him instead being the aggressor. The big problem with rhodes is he couldnt read the qb and free lance to the right spot like ed reed and polamalu can he just didnt have that. he started playing well late in the season when rex realized he couldnt handle it and dumbed down his role and gave him specific assignments such covering the TE

  117. By Chicago Bob on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer – you mentioned the exact thing I was going to say. The 49ers were ready to take Alex Smith (former #1 overall) and run him out of town however once he received quality coaching, his career turned around – give Sanchez at least one year with a new staff. SCJoe – I agree with you on Decastro – as much as I would like to see a pass rush, if this kid is available when we pick, he needs to get serious consideration – he is supposedly the most talented guard to come out in years – it would be interesting to see him line up next to Mangold over Wilfolk next year. Having him at guard will not only help in the running game but also improve the pass protection and help Sanchez in the passing game. Could then focus rounds 2 & 3 on defense

  118. By JETSFAN44 on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Which rhodes did well and that was a big reason why the jets d was better that yr than it is currently. Plus losing brian thomas hurt bc the other olb’s who stepped in couldnt hold the edge and bart scott had his worst yr as a pro. if we get a safety who can cover and add some dline depth at the de spot this d could be even better than 09. As for the offense they underutilized the running game all yr once mangold came back it picked up but shotty consistantly out thought himself and tried throw the ball when the running game was working. im a firm believer in if aint broke dont fix it. example philly game first drive greene was chunking 5 or 6 a carry they take him out throw a screen from shotgun lose 3 yrds then holmes fumbles for a td

  119. By Allan O'Dane on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    IRA thing on Rhodes is the samething with Cromartie..They don’t like to tackle. Rhodes had good size and speed to cover TE’s. Would you rather have a safety to play the run and can tackle or a safety who can cover both WR and TE’s? I liked Rhodes but he got a rep of being to Hollywood more interested in doing cover shoots. He had incredible closing speed and a knack for the ball almost ed reed like without the hitting. This kid Barron from Alabama seems to be the real deal and they say he could start from day 1. We’ll see..

  120. By Allan O'Dane on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    As many jet fans here I have become very frustrated with Sanchez. But this kid as a lot of upside. Look, he started only one year in college, even Carroll said he was not ready. That should have said something right there. Those two AFC championship games he was more of a game manager. He had a the best rushing attack..the best O-line and the #1 defense to support him. Then things got crazy losing edwards and cotchery hurt. Then losing key O-line man hurt even more no running game no protection. Plus he didn’t have to look over his shoulder. And to me..the key thing was he didn’t sit for 1-2yrs on the bench and learned from a Good Vet QB. That’s just my take.

  121. By Allan O'Dane on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Now..if he doesn’t improve this year with new coaching and hopefully a better O-line then his excuses will be few. I hope McElory gets a shot to push sanchez. Or (dreaming) Peyton comes in for 2-3yrs and schools McElory for the Jets future. Don’t know what we do with Sanchez? trade him? I don’t know. We all know what the Jets need..and trust me they know what they need. But until someone (Mike T./Rex) stop picking or drafting sexy picks and FA’s, until they start picking men who want to play football and show traits of leadership then this whole thing is for naught. If Rex and Tanny don’t draft well and pick the right FA’s to come in right this ship..all I can say is: COWHER

  122. By Tom Spicer on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, Let me ask you a few questions. Why did the Chargers select Rivers with th 4th pick if Brees was a ELITE QB at that point? Why did they let him walk as a free agent with no compensation if they thought he was ELITE? If he was ELITE on the Chargers why did he never have more the 3,500 yards with them? If he was ELITE with the Chargers why in 5 or 6 years that he was there was his career high in TDS 27. Those are Mark Sanchez esque type of numbers. Now there is 1 thing we can all agree on Mark Sanchez is not a ELITE QB well if Brees had EVERYTHING the same as mark but completion percentage I think it is safe to say he was not ELITE at that point.

  123. By Jet Blue on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    I love Chad because he’s just a nice guy, but after his shoulder injury (the 1st one) he could no longer get by on his accuracy. AO, Chad certainly did throw interceptions – NE feasted on his out pattern lobs. Not sure what kind of QB coach Chad would make. Sanchez needs an instructor, not a cheerleader. Maybe a coach that goes a little Ditka on him when he screws up – which wold be quite often. As for LT, his last year with SD he was seen standing alone on the sideline looking like a lost puppy. Holmes is the best playmaker the Jets have,. No rookie is going to come in and do what he can. He wants the ball becasue he knows what to do with it. His frustration with his QB boiled over becuase he wants to win.

  124. By Jet Blue on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Randy, what does Sanchez have left on his contract? Just trying to make sense out of this now four year experiment.

  125. By Randy Lange on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Blue, I am not privy to any contract information, but it has been reported that Mark Sanchez signed a five-year deal in 2009.

  126. By scjoe on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne, being a “closet giant fan” is fine. But for another “closet giant fan” to come on to a NY Jets blog and criticize a JET fans opinion on a recent Giants game is bush. Before the NY Titans/Jets I was a Packer fan, because of Lombardi, I still follow them closely, and if the NY Jets don’t win in any given year I hope it would be GB. BUT, even in my wildest dreams I would not criticize anyone negatively commenting on the Packers. That is because I am a JET FAN Period Are you listening DKM??

  127. By scjoe on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I have already conceded to you that the Giants D had improved since week 10 or 11. I even caught some slack from a closet Giant fan for voicing my opinion on how and why that game was one. I am not a giant fan, matter of fact on my list of favorite teams they would come in at #31, one slot ahead of the NE Patriots. So, I don’t even want to talk NY Giants anymore. If it comes down to a NE-NYG SB, I will watch women’s high school lacrosse instead.

  128. By GaryC on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    boy I am sure glad I got another conversation piece going with this closet giant fan stuff,OH,WAYNE,FOUR STRAIGHT ISLANDER CUPS COMPARED TO ONE RANGER CUP SINCE 1940.And I will still go with the patriots if they play giants in super bowl,first of all if you are old afl you don’t take the giants to beat patriots.

  129. By Tom Spicer on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I did not mean it like that what I was trying to say was last night I was thinkging about it & the Giants shut out the Falcons a team with a explosive O in this day & age. Really that was the only point I was trying to make there is no right or wrong person or right or wrong answer.

  130. By STEVEN on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    I heard they want to bring in a quarterback to push Sanchez. I think Greg McElroy will push Sanchez. McElroy is a better quarterback than Sanchez. He has been through many a quarterback school and is smart with the football. He won a national championship in College and knows how to lead a team. He knows how to play football and can call his own plays. He moves the football like a Dan Marino. I think the Jets have a ton of talent and experience in Greg McElroy. Too Bad Mark Sanchez isn’t going to Coach McCarthy’s Quarterback School during the offseason.

  131. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Ira and Frank, JETSFAN44 and Allan have covered any questions of why Rhodes had to go. And Ira, I think this is a curious quirk you’re developing about trying to “get players back” (Rhodes, Edwards, J-Co, Abraham) I’d think you’d know by now that unlike in baseball, in football when somebody’s gone they’re almost always GONE, especially if they’ve had an attitude problem. Both the season and the average player’s career are too short to risk reopening up cans of worms. But I will add, Frank, with respect to Rhodes’ alleged speed that you must’ve forgotten how molasses-like he looked on that interception late in 2009 when he said he was “ashamed to have been caught from behind by a white guy.” (Not the greatest joke to have made, either.)

  132. By STEVEN on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    As far a Barron for safety goes, I think the Jets would improve as a team but if they got a passrusher like Mecilus or Perry who are big and fast pass rushers, they wouldn’t need the safety as much because the opposing QB won’t have much time to throw. The Jets still need to figure out how to cover TE before Rex Ryan can stop kissing Bill Belichick rings.

  133. By jetsfan0523 on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Hey guys, let’s not jump on the Chad pennington for QB coach bandwagon just yet! Give Sparano a chance with this offense and let’s see what he can do with it. We certainly have much better talent than the Dolphins had, and our O-Line, even as sporadic as they played, was still better than what he had at Miami. I think that MC has to go as he is not the answer as a QB coach for Sanchez. I read here someone mention the name”Jim Fassell” and that could actually work with the given circumstance. We also need to utilize the depth we have at the running back position to re-establish the run game. Wayne Hunter is the one who got the short end this offseason because of not having an entire training camp to get used to being a starter.

  134. By jetsfan0523 on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    If we are to regain our dominance in the run game as we did over the past 2 yrs, this is what needs to be done. Tell Plax and Holes to SHUT UP AND PLAY! Period or, cut/trade/do whatever with them. Kerley and Turner have made strong cases to move up the depth chart. Get another BIG TE to compliment Keller and we should be okay. Keep in mind, Sanchez is a good playaction/ bootleg type QB and he WILL GET BETTER if we have the coach in place to teach this kid what MC failed to teach him. Now, the defense: the pressing need is a pass rush and depth at SS/FS. Check free agency first for both. If you can find something there, pull the trigger. If not, then look at the draft- by needs first, not emotion!

  135. By joe on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    SPICER if i had a dollar for every time someone posts ,that your dead wrong .Frank trust me the guy (SPICER )LIVES IN AN ABSOLUTE LALA LAND WHERE Mark Sanchez COMPLETES WITH THE MANNINGS AND BRADYS OF THE LEAGUE.

  136. By joe on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Hey SPICER are MANNING and BRADY ELITE QBS OR GAME MANAGERS AS LAST TIME I CHECKED their teams are still playing.Also SPICER why is ED REED so concerned WITH JOE FLACCO (its a team sport SPICER )

  137. By joe on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer YOUD BETTER CALL BALTIMORE and tell ED REED not to be concerned at all .In every position on the TEAM (EXCEPT QB AND WR TE )BALTIMORE isa much better TEAM.In ACCORDINANCE with your ITS A TEAM PHILOSOPHY Ed Reed should have nothing to worry about.So what if Brady just threw for 6 td against DENVERS GREAT D.

  138. By Jey San on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Pennington was always one of the good guys. I know people had a lot of respect for him and a player and a person. It would be nice to see him as a QB coach becuase he has that type of personality to be a great coach. But, the analyst gig is probably a better fit and lot less stressful.

  139. By jets4life on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    We love Chad….Bring him back as a QB coach.

  140. By joe on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Perc wise I WONDER WHATS GREATER A Sanchezs turnover to touchdown ratio or B Number of people that post yearly on this site THAT TELL SPICER ,YOUR WRONG DUDE,YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOUR TALKING ABOUT.Spicer i think you may actually beat your idol SANCHEZ on this one.

  141. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Good on you for mentioning the old AFL aspect, GaryC! Jet fans don’t understand why I merely want to beat but do not hate the Patriots. I say it’s because of Babe Parilli, Gino Cappelletti, Ron Burton, Nick Buoniconti, Jim Nance…

  142. By scjoe on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Steven, points well taken. I think another QB to push Sanchez is just what the doctor ordered. I am not sure if that QB is Greg McElroy, but he definitely needs to be part of the mix, Brunell on the other hand should not be part of the mix. As for the safety/OLB pass rusher? Both are needs and I think both Barron and Upshaw will be there at 16 if that is the direction they choose to go, although O Line is just as much of a need.

  143. By scjoe on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I am about “old” AFL as it gets. But somehow I can not envision myself rooting for the NE Patriots no matter who they play, even if it were the Miami Dolphins, well, there are exceptions to that rule. I would need to pull for them if it were a case where a NE victory would benefit the Jets in the standings, and I do remember a time back in the 80s where that situation actually came up and I sat in the pouring rain at the Orange Bowl rooting for the NE Patriots because a win would have given the Jets the division, they didn’t get it done.

  144. By GaryC on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    so jet fan tom, you will need to get away from your giant afftliation for the rest of these playoffs on behalf of ralph wilson,lamarr hunt,bud adams,sonny werblin.

  145. By DKM on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    JFS 64 Jim Fassel

  146. By DKM on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    AAHHH scjoe my universe does not turn around you i do not have any intentions of harrassing you, and if any of my replies are bothering you in any way i certainly will stop doing so. I was WONDERING? YOUR ALWAYS negative responds to any moves the jets frontoffice is doing or about to make or any interesting suggestion Jets fans have on this side or disagrement somebody has with your point of you, makes me a CLOSET GIANT FAN…… mmhhh. Interresting !

  147. By DKM on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    I look at my Jets realisticly, not with 2 eyes shot. You cant win every year, case and point the GBP, no matter how good you are, how much money you invest, how many Coaches you fire, how many QB you run out of town. I brought up the Giants cause they far from perfect but they got it together at the right time and besides being a STH for Jets im also a Football Fan. SO GO (sorry Randy, that is for scjoe and all other Jet complainers) KISS MY BEHIND.

  148. By Gary on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets need to bring in Patrick Ewing as a wide receiver. He is tall and I think he should come out of retirement to help the Jets

  149. By scjoe on Jan 18, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, we all talk about that “elite” QB and his importance in the grand scheme of things. I think this upcoming game Sunday will in all likelihood tell you all you need to know. We have an elite QB on one side going up against an above average defense, then we have an “average” at best QB going up against the 31st ranked defense. Which one will you bet on if you were a betting man? Me? If I were a betting man I would bet the house on that “elite” QB. I hope I am wrong on this one, but I doubt this game will even be close. Pats 35 Balt 17

  150. By Tom Spicer on Jan 19, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, 2 posts before this you wrote & I quote ” every team that won this week won because of the play of the QB” Well this proves without a shadow of a doubt that YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! Joe Flacco was TERRIBLE Iin that game & they still won. Either START watching the games or STOP watching the games CAUSE YOU HAVE NO CLUE!

  151. By Tom Spicer on Jan 19, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, I heard you Rodgers (who you guarenteed would be in the Super Bowl), Brees & Big Ben have a tea time for golf this weekend. Let me know how it goes I will be watchng the teams 49ers, Giants & Ravens with dominate D’S play for the right to go to the Super Bowl.

  152. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 19, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t want to see the Giants win because I’m a fan of theirs, GaryC. I wouldn’t mind seeing them win to impress upon everyone from Woody Johnson on down to the newest Jet fan that we’re simply not acting serious about building a team and it starts with our utterly unserious HC. It’s amazing to see how savage Jets fans on the NFL site are in their almost unanimous condemnation of Rex and Sanchez, it’s like reading posts from an alternate Jet universe. Since I’ve only rarely been censored by Randy and the powers-that-be here, I doubt this has to do with censorship, but it’s still odd. Spicer, Flacco won’t get away with playing terribly this week, that’s for sure, and I won’t hold my breath for the day you vote thumbs down on Brees as a Jet.

  153. By Allan O'Dane on Jan 19, 2012 | Reply

    Did anyone catch LT’s comments on the Jets? I don’t think this is going to be an easy fix with Sanchez and Holmes. If those two can’t co-exist then one has to go. And most likely it will be Holmes. Man O man is this team a mess right now. Woody Johnson is going to have to make serious changes at the front office level. Mike T./ Rex if they don’t get this turned around quickly BYE-BYE. LT said what everyone else has been trying to say but didn’t come outright and say it..REX there are other ways to get your team amped up besides shooting your mouth and putting big ‘X’ on the players backs. Your team is not tough like that i.e.49ers and Ravens. They have the players to back it up. They took your formula and made it work.

  154. By carl on Jan 19, 2012 | Reply

    Chad will get a Superbowl ring with the Jets as a coach. Been saying it for year already!!!Go Jets!!!!

  155. By Mike Bellissimo on Jan 19, 2012 | Reply

    Why Chad is the answer for Jet QB Coach
    - He knows Schotty’ Offense
    - He Knows Sparano’s Offense
    - He is very smart and can help translate the two
    - He can teach Mark to trust in the play and throwing to the spot his receiver is supposed to get to
    - Chad holds the record for NFL QB accuracy, Mark’s biggest weakness
    - Opportunity for WJ and MT to make up to Chad and fans for BF catastrophe

    We Jet fans can only dream!

  156. By kleckofan on Jan 19, 2012 | Reply

    Anyone not pointing at Rex and Tannebaum for where we are is pointing at a symptom rather than the cause (I know, Sanchez is a huge symptom). I was, and still can be, a Rex fan if for no other reason than he provided energy and hope. If he can’t see that he needs to adjust his style then he needs to go. To me, Tannenbaum was always in over his head, he should be limited to the financial end of things. Give me some playing or coaching experience for my director of player personnel & development; not a lawyer. Seeing LT’s comments leads me to 3 things: 1) it’s amazing we won as much as we did, 2) LT doesn’t plan on being back, 30 it’s incredible Rex could not have known (pulse) how bad things were from day 1 this yr

  157. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 19, 2012 | Reply

    kleckofan, I think Woody’s statements today make clear that Mr T, Rex, Sanchez, and just about everyone else are on a very short leash. I couldn’t really ask for more than the owner himself slapping down our HC and his “Mark will be the starter until the year 3000″ talk.

  158. By Tom Spicer on Jan 19, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, I would rent a uhaul drive to Marks house load it up. Then drive to Cali & unload it. Then I would drive to New Orleans pack up Brees’s stuff drive all the way to New York & unload Brees stuff & I would pay for it myself. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

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  161. By Tom Spicer on Jan 19, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, You are the king of double talk you just said you have to be a ELITE QB to play in the pro bowl yet. I have brought up Rivers multiple times & you have said he is not a ELITE QB but he has made the pro bowl twice as many times as Eli. Do you think before you post?

  162. By Tom Spicer on Jan 19, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, As long as the guys that are telling me I dont know what I am talking about are you & Frank. Then I know I am doig well cause the two of you dont have a clue!

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  164. By joe on Jan 20, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer theres an article out today that claims WOODY is definately interesred in getting PAYTON as Sanchezs future is in doubt .Spicer how can this be .Spicer didnt you place a call into management (AS PREDIDENT OF THE MARK SANCHEZ EXCUSE CLUB )and explain to them how EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY IS AT FAULT except Sanchez The Jets (THINK THE QB POSITION IS SO SO IMPPRTANT )they want to get rid of SANCHEZ to get a 35 year old coming off maj neck surgery.WHY SPICER.

  165. By joe on Jan 20, 2012 | Reply

    ps EARTH TO SPICER as far as people on this forum telling you you dont know what the hell your talking about ITS MANY MORE THAN JUST MYSELF AND FRANK.From know on SPICER ill keep score AND POST ACCORDINGLY EVERY TIME ANOTHER PERSON SAYS IT.

  166. By kleckofan on Jan 20, 2012 | Reply

    I know there is a long history of heated debate about certain issues and players here, time will tell, unless people choose to ignore the outcomes. I don’t think some huge trade for a top QB is in the offing, great to dream about, but unrealistic. When you have a great QB you keep ‘em. I think more logically we should be looking at Jason Campbell or Matt Moore to come in here and give some competition. Everyone jumping on the Flynn from QB bandwagon should remember Scott Mitchell, even Ryan Fitz’ up in Buff’ for that matter. I repeat, my opinion (not a doctor, don’t play one on TV) is that Peyton never plays another down, anywhere. I wouldn’t gamble on his health. Pennington as a coach? great guys and players don’t always equal great coach

  167. By kleckofan on Jan 20, 2012 | Reply

    T64- at work and didn’t read entire article, but definitely didn’t get the feeling that Woody was going to be putting the Big 3 on a short leash. I know he can’t just come out and rip everyone, but I’m reading denial everywhere. Don’t love Jerry Jones and being a Mets fan(double whammy of sports franchises, thanks Dad) never liked King George, but if I’m laying millions, even if I have many more, I’m demanding accountability. Saying Rex must of “misspoke” about not having the team’s pulse sounds Clinton-esque (did not have sex w that girl, whats the meaning of “this” etc). Kick some @%* Woody.

  168. By Tom Spicer on Jan 20, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, I am the president of the Sanchez fan club but. I would rent a uhaul drive to Marks house load it up. Then drive to Cali & unload it. Then I would drive to Indianapolis pack up Peyton’s stuff drive all the way to New York & unload Peyton’s stuff & I would pay for it myself. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

  169. By Chicago Bob on Jan 21, 2012 | Reply

    Stop all of this nonsense of Manning coming to the Jets – why would he want to come to NY and compete against his brother – I am sure the both of them are close and Peyton is thrilled how well Eli is playing and getting all the headlines in NY. Best place for Peyton would be SF – a young team with Gore, Crabtree and Davis to help him out. Let’s forget about the big free agent splashes – we are the only team in the division over the cap right now and NE is in the best shape – if anyone is going to get the quality free agents, it is them. Rex and Tanny rolled the dice to win now and it didn’t work – this team needs to put a ton of hours into scouting and focus on the draft as they cannot be big players in free agency.

  170. By joe on Jan 21, 2012 | Reply

    Bob numerious football experts say the same thing your saying (Payton ideal place is SF )Sf with a healthy PAYTON Manning (on top of all that talent )would be a dynasty waiting to happen .

  171. By superhumanjet on Jan 21, 2012 | Reply

    For those who think Drew Brees was an elite QB in san diego remember this; Sanchez has been a QB for three years, In brees 3rd year he was benched for (get this) Doug Flutie. You don’t bench an elite QB for DF. Give MS a chance with a new coach. Would love for Haley to come to the Jets (although we just singed a new one) as a recievers coach; He is the best recievers coach out there and he is tough. He would shut tone up and make him play. He turned D Bowe from a bust into a pro bowler. As for Rex, I love the guy but he can’t be friends with his players and be coach, he has got to be tougher on them, also if he thinks we have enough talent on this team to win a SB then he might not be the right coach. we don’t have near enough.

  172. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 22, 2012 | Reply

    kleckofan, the key phrase in what Woody said is the line “I’m not gonna tell you guys what we’re gonna do.” There’s simply no reason to call a press conference, make yourself completely accessible, and say something like that. As for Mr T and Rex, they’re simply employees and laughingstock-of-the-league employees at the moment at that. Only the most determined dreamer would put a lot of long-term stock into anything they say at this pt. And Chad as QB coach is just more window-dressing of the real problems, which are Sanchez’s skill set and learning curve. Spicer, sorry to hear you’re prez of the Sanchez Fan Club but my friend at the National Institute of Health tells me Prez Obama’s sparing no expense (of your tax $) on finding a cure.

  173. By scjoe on Jan 22, 2012 | Reply

    superhuman, Jamarcus Russell, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, David Klingler, Akaili Smith,those are just a few of a long list of QBs drafted high in the first round as potential franchise QBs. In every case they were not even close to being that. Point being, it should not take three years to make that determination, generally speaking, most of them were out of the league in three years.MS has been in the exact same system for three full years and hasn’t mastered that, how will a new OC make a difference?

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  175. By joe on Jan 22, 2012 | Reply

    SCJOE your exactly correct .LOL like a new OC going to elevate terrible SANCHEZ INTO SB BOUND BRADY . Joe its almost pathethic that we have people on this forum (TOMSPICER )who truely live in a fantasyland thinking we can win the sb with defence and ground and pound going against TEAM BRADY ECT

  176. By Tom Spicer on Jan 22, 2012 | Reply

    Superhumanjet, You did not know according to Frank & Joe Brees was a ELITE QB for the Charges. But he was benched for Doug Flutie. They drafted Rivers to replace him (a year & a half before he hurt himself like they would like you to think it was before) & they let him walk as a free agent with no compensation. YEA THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT LOL!

  177. By joe on Jan 22, 2012 | Reply

    ps Spicer and his football theorys FROM THE 80S is not the only laughingstock.Rex Ryan step up and take a bow .Rex didnt you GUARENTEE US A SB WIN THIS YEAR.(Rex a lot of us are sure glad you didnt come here to kiss BELLICHICKS RINGS )

  178. By joe on Jan 22, 2012 | Reply

    Hey SPICER i just watched the other team with the game manager at qb (49ers)LOSE TO THE TEAM WITH THE PRO BOWLER AT QB THE GIANTS.Now it offical the 2 teams with strong running games and great D BOTH LOSE to the teams with pro bowl level qb .As i have told you a million times SPICER everything pales to the qb in todays game.If we dont get a PRO BOWL LEVEL QB IN HERE WE WILL NEVER WIN THE SB .lIKE IT OR NOT SPICER I PROVED YOU WRONG .WeCOME TO TODAYS NFL

  179. By joe on Jan 22, 2012 | Reply


  180. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 23, 2012 | Reply

    And I might add about Brady, joe, that he beat the Ravens when his left shoulder was obviously severely limiting his ability to throw. I’m sure I’ve NEVER seen him play a game like that, i.e. one in which he threw the ball longer than 10 yds in the air exactly ONCE!

  181. By givingemdabusiness on Jan 23, 2012 | Reply

    I think Uncle Joe and Allan O’Dane’s January 18 posts are on the money about Sanchez, the offensive line, and the receivers. Namath said that Holmes didn’t run hard consistently — (how do you get timing with someone like that?) — and with Plax out (and slow) he had NOBODY to develop chemistry with. The O-line was never adequately fixed, and the Jets organization better not think they can coach these guys up. Time to move on and get a guy like Faneca when he came in — make that two or three of ‘em. Jumbo in 1997 gave us the ’98 run, Woody gave us the last two. One hard to avoid concern about Mark is that he tends not to see the field or open receivers unless he rolls out….

  182. By givingemdabusiness on Jan 23, 2012 | Reply

    (from last post on Sanchez) Can this be learned/corrected, and is it enough reason to give up on him knowing that he can really be a clutch QB with the proper pieces in place? Take SD QB Rivers, while technically a better QB is not in my opinion better than Sanchez in crunch time. Lastly, if you take the Giants and Eli Manning’s development. He didn’t blossom until the poison and egotistical Jeremy Shockey was off the field (due to injury). That is when it became Eli’s team. I have a feeling Holmes, Burress, and Mason had Schotty’s ear and he gave in to them and veered away from the running game this year because of it. Thoughts Jet nation? Also, how do we deal with Giants-Pats? I feel sick.

  183. By Tom Spicer on Jan 23, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Blue, Brady & Eli willed there teams to the Super Bowl? The guy on the 49ers muffed 2 punts to give the Giants the ball in the red zone & gave away the game. Brady said to qoute himself ” I stunk thank god for my D” who held Rice to 67 yards & the Ravens to 20 points thats why they won. Brady had a TERRIBLE game.

  184. By joe on Jan 23, 2012 | Reply

    Jet BLUE EXACTLY pocket AWARENESS and field prescence cant be taught .The book on SANCHEZ is if you beat on him he remembers a long time(QUARTERS ) .Specifically he looks at the ground when beat on NOT DOWN THE FIELD .I have SAID IT A MILLION TIMES NO COACH can turn a game manager into an elite qb ITS IMPOSSIBLE.Can a coach make SANCHEZ A MORE EFFICIENT GAME MANAGER YES .Can a team with a great game manager at QB win the SUPER BOWL .I believe we should ask the RAVENS AND 49ERS how that worked out for them

  185. By joe on Jan 23, 2012 | Reply

    GIVINGMETHE BUS TO illustrate EXACTLY what iam talking about TOM BRADY gets a new oc up there EVERY 2 years or so .(Do you ever INFLUENCE HIS PLAY one way or the other )Mike Shannohan and Mike Martz ARE KNOWN TO BE THE BEST OF THE BEST on the offenc side of the ball .Hows it worked out FOR THEM WITHOUT ELWAY AND WARNER .Shannohan IS ABOUT READY TO GET FIRED because THERE NO QB IN WASH.No matter how good a coach he is he cant make REX GROSSMAN into John Elway.No matter how good Sparano IS HE CANT TURN SANCHEZ INTO NAMATH

  186. By joe on Jan 23, 2012 | Reply


  187. By Jet feeling BLUE on Jan 23, 2012 | Reply

    TSpicer, I didn’t say that Brady had his best game, but he is back in the SB for the 5th time in his career. How do you explain the Pats winning 14 games while having one of the worst defenses in NFL history. No team has ever gone to the SB with a defense allowing more than 360 yds per game. NE allowed over 400 yds a game…..and Sanchez couln’t find a way to exploit it, losing twice to Brady & the Pats. C’mon TS, do we really have to compare Sanchez to Brady. As for Eli, yes, turnovers were a factor but he took advantage of those TOs despite getting pounded every time he dropped back. Sanchez would have done his back-peddling and gotten shut down completely by that 49er D. He is horrible! I wish he wasn’t, but…he is.

  188. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 23, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, once again you ignore a great QB’s guts and class in the face of an obvious injury. Brady missed practices during the week, which he never does, due to his shoulder, then doesn’t throw the ball over 10 yds during the biggest game of the yr, but you just think it’s about elite QBs don’t matter. When NE lost the SB to the Giants, Brady denied his foot was bothering him during the game though you could see it was, then had surgery on it a few wks later. So you’re simply denying a big part of what’s going on, all to defend…”Mark’s” pathetic play and the disgrace that Rex has brought onto the team, like Jet feeling BLUE says. GaryC, forget about the Jet players, what do we do about JET FANS of low character?

  189. By Tom Spicer on Jan 23, 2012 | Reply

    Jet feeling BLUE, Not only am I not proud of Rex I am embarssed to be a Jet fan. They are the Mets of football.

  190. By AZ JET Fan on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    Didn’t Chad win comback player of the twice? Once with the Jets and once with the phins. In fact I thought he won it 2 out of 3 years which is amazing.

  191. By AZ JET Fan on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder what Rex is thinking these days after his book and crap about the Jets owning New York? The G men have been in the SB 5 times in the last 25 or 27 years. Thats almost once every 5 years. My friends, my family, the people I grew up with, all Giants fans and I’m the idiot that fell in love with the Jets.

  192. By Tom Spicer on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, There is & was nothing wrong with him HE routinely takes days off when need be for bumps & bruise.

  193. By PETER on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply


  194. By joe on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    Jet FEELING BLUE FANTASTIC POSTS as iam sure you can detect the fact that SPICER not only does not know what the hell hes talking about but when hes proven wrong hes not man enough to admit it

  195. By joe on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    PS AND SPICERS PROVEN WRONG just about every time he writes something.Hes WRONG SO OFTEN that theres actually a SPICER YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOUR TALKING ABOUT CLUB on this site .MANY MANY JET FANS have now joined.

  196. By Jet Blue on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    LOL joe. TSpice is like Vince McMahon & Wrestling….entertaining, but not to be taken seriously. Maybe he just likes to debate but he has no real substance behind his points. We can only hope that Woody reads these Blogs and understands that Jet fans are not interested in the business end of this organization. We just want to win and show up every year with a team that can compete to win the SB. If MT & Rex can’t bring it on home, then lets get a GM & HC in here that can. I know Bill Cowher says he’s happy at CBS, but this would be the ultimate challange for him. And the best coach for us. I think he’d know when his QB is killing his team. And, he’d do something about it.

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