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TSN Recognizes Burress’ Impressive Comeback

Posted by Randy Lange on January 24, 2012 – 5:06 pm

The Sporting News provided great award news for the Jets and their followers by announcing today that it has selected WR Plaxico Burress as its comeback player of the year. You can find the TSN story on Plax’s award here.

The sports magazine selects its comeback player based on a vote of NFL players, coaches and executives. And as eye-opening as the award itself is the fact that Plax was the clear winner. The top four vote getters were:

1. Plaxico Burress, 164 votes

2. Alex Smith, San Francisco QB, 91 votes

3. Elvis Dumervil, Denver DE, 46 votes

4. Matthew Stafford, Detroit QB, 42 votes

Burress earned the award by resuscitating his career with 45 receptions for 612 yard and eight touchdowns, modest numbers by the standards he set with the Steelers and Giants yet solid in light of the 20 months he served in prison following his conviction on weapons charges.

Among Burress’ highlights for the Jets in the 2011 regular season was his three red zone touchdown grabs in the 27-21 victory over the Chargers, making him the 17th player and 14th WR in franchise history to come down with at least three TD catches in a game.

In fact, the 6’5″, 232-pound target and his connection with QB Mark Sanchez were arguably the main reasons the Jets were the league’s No. 1 red zone offense with their 65.5 percent touchdown drive percentage. Burress’ numbers inside the opponents’ 20 were all team-leading stats: 13 receptions, 121 yards, 12 first downs and all eight of his touchdowns.

The last Jets pass-catcher to have a similar red zone impact was Wayne Chrebet, who had 12 catches for 124 yards and nine TDs in the zone in 2002.

Congratulations to Plax on opening up his wingspan, sticking out his big Velcro mitts and coming down with this honor.

DeGuglielmo’s Connecting Flights

Dave DeGuglielmo officially joined the Jets’ reforming coaching staff when head coach Rex Ryan this afternoon announced that he is the Jets’ new offensive line coach. But Dave D has too many Jets connections to have stayed away from the team for much longer.

For starters, he coached up Miami’s OL pretty well for the past three seasons as the Dolphins took four of six from the Jets in their AFC East series.

For the four seasons prior, he came to work in the same Sunday office as the Jets as he coached the Giants’ O-line from ’04-08.

For the five seasons before that, he learned his OL coachcraft at South Carolina under Lou Holtz, who, as all Jets fans of a certain age know, coached the Green & White for 13/14ths of the 1976 season.

And DeGuglielmo first emerged in the trench trade when he was named All-New England first-team guard/center for Boston University. His OL coach for his final three seasons at BU was none other than new Jets offensive coordinator Tony Sparano. Of course, you could say the Sparano connection was the most important of all, but all things considered it looks like a great fit for coach and team.

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126 Responses to “TSN Recognizes Burress’ Impressive Comeback”

  1. By wayne on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats to Plax. He did come back from something pretty difficult. Albeit of his own doing……And at an advanced age at that……Now, should Jets retain him? He still has a highly valued skill. Particularly in the red zone, but he’d be a luxury. Team need some young hungry, fast blood. Why Tannenbaum have been unable to pickup ONE fast WR in the draft for this many years when other teams are finding them is another question.(ain’t talking bout slot WRs)

  2. By SCfromNY on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    I hope the award does not make the Jets feel they need to keep Plax. We need some more speed. perhaps Turner can replace him at the goal line. A nice job considering his absence but outside of the red zone there was a lack of separation and speed. Glad for him but time to move on.

  3. By DKM on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    makes you wonder how short Rex’s leash is, if Sparano brings allready his own guys in here. Not that i dont like the hire im just saying. Congrats to Plax and sorry that this was your last year with us, no HART FEELINGS. Senior Bowl practice was interesting today some potential Picks for the Jets in the first round on both sides of the lines or at LB, if we dont adress them in FA.

  4. By oasus on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    I like the hire for OL. Hopefully we see a good improvement. Who knows, maybe letting Callahan leave may prove to be a good move.

  5. By Gary on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets really need to part ways with Santonio Holmes and Plax. I’m pretty sure it was those two guys stirring up problems. They are toxic. The Jets need more receivers like Wayne Chrebet. A lead by example guy that’s not a diva. Get some low profile guys that will work hard, not low character guys that are quitters.

  6. By Karan on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    If I wanted to make some changes defensively, I would trade Donald Strickland, Ropati Pitoitua, either one Marcus Dixon or Martin Tevaseu and a fifth-round pick to the Colts for Robert Mathis and Jerraud Powers. Then I would trade Eric Smith, Bryan Thomas and either one of Bart Scott or Calvin Pace to the 49ers for Dashon Goldson or the Redskins for LaRon Landry. I would sign UFA Dwight Lowery. I would also re-sign Brodney Pool along with Jim Leonhard. I’m sure the Colts, 49ers or the Redskins would ask a lot for these players, so I guess my trade kinda makes sense or maybe it doesn’t. But imagine, a secondary: Revis, Cromartie, Wilson, Powers, Cole, Leonhard, Goldson or Landry, Pool, Trufant and Lowery.That would be awesome.

  7. By MiIKE on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    Mike’s X-mas list:
    1) Cut trade whatever to Santonio Holmes
    2) Sign Qb to compete with Sanchez (Chad Henne)
    3) Sign Peyton Hillis and Mario Manningham
    4) Draft T Riley Rieff or LB Luke Kuechly at 16. If neither availible move back and select DT Dontario Poe or S Mark Barron with more picks.
    5) Draft WR and OLB with extra picks.
    6) Bring in Chad Pennington at some level in organization.

    Next year starters: QB MS, RB Peyton Hillis, TE Dustin Keller, WR Mario, Patrick Turner and Jeremy Kerley, OL, Brick, Slauson, Mangold, Moore, RT?.

    Defense:RE Pouha, LE Wilkerson ,DTPoe, MLB Harris, ROLB Pace, MLB Kuechly, LOLB Scott, CB Revis Cro, FS Barron, SS ?

  8. By steven on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    YEAH! I think the Jets may finally become a team that can protect the quarterback. Hopefully they can provide Mark Sanchez and Greg McElroy with the protection that will keep the QB’s healthy. Maybe DeCastro would be a good fit to go along with two 6’5 300 lb tight ends. I hope the Jets can build an offensive line that can be called WALL STREET.

  9. By scjoe on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    With all the conversation and all of the controversy (all though there should be none) about “elite” QBs and championships. I would say this, with this years two conference championship game outcomes and how both Manning and Brady performed notwithstanding, ask your self these two simple questions. What two teams are in this years SB? How would you rate each of their QBs on a scale of 1-10 with ten being “elite” and 1 being about the caliber of a Mark Sanchez? Then ask yourself, what about last years winner? Want more proof? Check the winners of SB games in 1993,94,95,96,97,98,99,2000,2002,2004,05,,and finally 2010. Every winner had an elite, or very close to it QB. Coincidence??

  10. By steven on Jan 24, 2012 | Reply

    Congratulations Plaxico Burress. You played like a Jet. I hope you remain a Jet for years to come. After an offseason of conditioning you will be up to your normal standards and next year you are going to be Pro Bowl again.

  11. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC will like it when I say that I don’t really get this one at all. Maybe the voters felt Smith’s yr wasn’t a comeback because he’s a never-was other than in 2011. Maybe they felt that Stafford’s wasn’t a comeback because he’d never played a full season without missing games due to injury. And D players like Dumervil, no matter how good, rarely win this award. Most likely the fact that Plax’s comeback involved playing after spending time in jail was key, too. But I don’t really think Plax had the kind of yr to merit this award and yes, GaryC, I still think a 1-yr deal for Plax to serve as the #3/#4 behind Holmes, Kerley, and a high WR draft choice is all we should offer him, with Turner allowed to push him from the #5 spot to boot.

  12. By IRA on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats to Plax. Wonder how many other Dolphin connections come to the Jets as coaches or players. Hope they can hire Daboll. Like i said Mark needs a fresh start with another QB coach.

  13. By uncle joe on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Watch my Boy Derrick Wolfe, the DT/ 3-4 DE in the Senior Bowl this weekend.

  14. By robert schmansky on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    there os a typo in this article. jets were tje number 1 redzone OFFENSE not Defense…

  15. By Randy Lange on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    robert, you are correct and that is what I meant to write. The story has been corrected.

  16. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, Rex is on a very short leash and Sparano’s being groomed to succeed him if Rex and Mark disappoint again. Karan, I admire your imagination but you’re asking good teams to part with star players and send them to our lousy team for scrubs, I don’t see that happening in most cases. scjoe, only a total dreamer would deny the truth of what you’ve said here on elite QBs. You heard it here first, folks: If the Jets don’t get much better in a yr or 2 and put a star QB on the field, we won’t be covering up more Giants SB flags, we’ll be looking to build our own stadium in Manhattan or on Long Island. No way we limp along in the same park as a perennial SB contender, which is what I think the Giants are going to be for the foreseeable future.

  17. By uncle joe on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Steven, I like the Wall Street thing! Hey Randy,was curious if there has been any word on Patrick Turner’s status with the team being that he was cut by our new Offensive Coordinator in Miami. I think Turner and Sanchez will continue to grow together and I would HATE to see us keep Holmes and Burris and let a player who actually DID HIS JOB go.

  18. By uncle joe on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Muhamed Sanu is the second best WR in this draft. We might be able to move down a bit,draft him and use the extra pick and Holmes to move up in the top of the second to get Derrick Wolfe.

  19. By uncle joe on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    I think Woody Johnson saying Holmes will be back means Holmes will be gone. Jets need to restructure his contract where we take the cap hit and ship him too the Redskins to move up in round two. Going foward with Holmes will destroy this team.

  20. By IRA on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Plax was a one and done with the Jets. He had nothing left in the tank the last month of the year. He should’ve never been an every down player. Good RZ target that Turner possibly can give them. Still think if Edwards is healthy they should resign him and or J-Co. They made a huge mistake breaking up that WR group.

  21. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    uncle joe, you’re scraping for crumbs talking about “Sanchez and Turner growing together” — what have they had in 2 yrs, like 3 good plays? But I wonder where you get the idea Woody’s words are no more reliable than Rex’s. Usually it’s Rex who says a guy’s great and then cuts him. I think Woody said Holmes stays because everyone in the NFL knows SH is still a great WR and that Sanchez has barely proven he should even start. Since SH is only on the 2nd yr of his deal, Woody’s also probably thinking past the Rex/MS era, which might well come to a crashing halt before SH’s 3rd yr. Surely SH would be happy to stick around with a Peyton, Rivers (Allan O’Dale’s tip), or top draft pick QB. A lousy QB will destroy a team faster than anything else.

  22. By russ on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Hidgabo released from Jets was picked up by Pats and was starting safety this year…he stated that the practices were far more intense and preparation for each game never varied…Shows you two things Pats have…recognition of talent and the ability to bring out that talent..something missing here???

  23. By wayne on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, Edwards was playing for a contract. Wouldn’t be prudent to assume production and willingness to tow the party line would continue after signing on the dotted line.(see Holmes)….Edwards might not be a bad signing since Jets might be able to get another contract year type thing with him, but Edwards no more dependable in a multi year situation than Holmes…….It’s unacceptable that this team has taken this long to find or develop a good WR of their own…………………….For all the pickup Peyton Party members, Peyton doesn’t get the last say as to whether he plays again or not……………..HIS NECK DOES.

  24. By uncle joe on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Ira,if you remember last offseason I was SCREAMING for them to keep Braylon instead of Holmes. Should’ve been Braylon and Cotchery with Holmes in the slot. Holmes is not an outside reciever,he needs to be moved around like Welker. He is definately NOT a #1 WR and not worth destroying your team over. Restructure his deal on draft day and use him to move up in a round or cut him.

  25. By Karan on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets really need a good QB and passing game coach. I’m surprised Matt Cavanaugh hasn’t been fired yet. I’m fine with the other changes so far, but if you want to revamp this offensive staff, your second most important firing after the offensive coordinator (and thank god that guy is gone) should be the QB coach, Cavanaugh.

  26. By GaryC on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, I was wondering about smith myself,what did he comeback from,this was his first good year,as for Plastico,TSN must be a very liberal periodical to select him as the comeback player.The jets will never be anything if they continue wine and dine over the hill reclamation projects,doesn’t it surprise you that the giants made the super bowl without the dear beloved Plax,while the jets with him are still doing their best sherlock holmes and still seeking the answers.

  27. By Karan on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    And yes, I agree with the above comment, Braylon Edwards should definitely be re-signed. Mark and him had great chemistry.

  28. By uncle joe on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    I loved Patrick Turner coming out of college, and if you can remember Sanchez lobbying for him in an interview on draft day. They work well together and should be allowed to continue to grow. Plus he is a very good blocker. Sanchez needs to be in able to grow with people he can trust and relieved of people who won’t follow him much like Eli Manning.

  29. By GaryC on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Uncle Joe, sanu is not the second best receiver in draft, he will not be as highly rated as even Kenny Britt when he came out of Rutgers,he is what they call raw. Blackmon,Wright and Jeffrey are better.

  30. By uncle joe on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    And congrats to Burress, but lets not be quick to resign him. Burress was a model citizen much like Holmes was last year. Lets learn from the Holmes experiment, if Burress is brought back he should be only a situational WR for us and for a LOT LESS than 3 Mill a year!

  31. By uncle joe on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    And LBs Mauga, Bellore,Mcintire,Maybin and Berling need to play,nothing greater than young and hungry!

  32. By GaryC on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, if we went with your ideas about quarterbacks,Phil Simms would have never won a super bowl with giants, they didn’t reach the playoffs under him until 84,don’t count 81 that was more of Scott Brunner,you would of said we need an elite quarterback to get to super bowl,and he would have been off the giants.

  33. By Bennett on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    JET FAN 64 So your still on this leash thing? Still haven’t fiquered out what you were talking about the first time. Who has who on a leash Does Woody have T-baum on a leash who than has Rex on a leash? Is it a two leash thing? You should be on a leash !! What does “grooming” Sparano mean you mean he is taking lessons on how to be a Head Coach from T-baum.? Let me see if I got this right…the Jets go 2-6 next year so of coarse the offense stinks so lets make the leader of that stinking offense our Head Coach because we “groomed him” and also because he got fired half way through last season as a Head Coach because his team stinks.

  34. By scjoe on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Mike, I like your Christmas list. I think Hillis would be an instant upgrade. I mentioned the name Poe last week, and if Ellis winds up in jail and Pouha who is an UFA isn’t resigned you may just hear the name Poe at #16 (if he is still available) I agree Holmes has to disappear, but the only way I see that happening is if he fails another drug test. The QB issue has to be priority #1 though. In my opinion if Mark Sanchez is still on this roster it better be with a significant pay cut, I believe his cap # for 2012 is 17mil. A pure tragedy. As for Luke Kuechly? If anyone remembers Zach Thomas Kuechly is the 2nd coming. But is it to early for an ILB at 16?

  35. By scott on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    I agree. We should never have let Braylon walk. He was our deep threat and an excellent blocker. I can make a solid argument that he had a better year than holmes 2010 and we treated holmes like he was our best player while it seemed that we didn’t make any effort to keep Braylon.
    We really need a lot of work. RT & SS issues have to be addressed first i think.

  36. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Intriguing numbers from Eliot Harrison on the NFL site, vindicating 2 guys who’ve taken a lot of heat on this site. Revis was thrown at 89 times for 36 completions but guess what? Cromartie was thrown at 89 times for 37 completions. Would that Cro could tackle like Revis, though both blew it in the DEN game. And Shonn Greene, who many on this site called a fumbler throughout his first 2 seasons, fumbled exactly zero times in 253 carries. Harrison’s piece is also notable for making no bones about the need for Sanchez to get better next yr or the Jets will have to move on, but we all knew that…well, maybe all of us except Spicer. Cimini also had a good stat the other day on how badly MS threw this yr on rollouts, allegedly his strong suit.

  37. By DKM on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Ira im with you on the Braylon thing but not J-co, let him be at this point the younger guys on our roster Kerley and Turner ( if Scotty comes back healthy) have proven they can fill this role. With what ive seen so far from the North and South practice in the Senior Bowl there will be a Plenty of really good Wideouts available for us to choose from in the later rounds if we dont look for one in FA.

  38. By DKM on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    JFS 64 there might be something to it here, Ira said Dunball next would be nice, if thats the case im sure Woody is setting him self up for a quick change if things dont work out. You think Rex is sitting there and sees the writing on the wall, makes me wonder does he even have input on these hirings, or did they just tell him this is How its going to be and thats your only other chance to right the ship and if you cant we need to have a quick Backup plan in Place. This is only speculation on my Part. Just saying.

  39. By DKM on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Karan i love your Spirits how to fix this Team, but thats up there with Waynes Cheerleader Comments. Good one.

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  41. By Chicago Bob on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    We can talk about getting an elite QB until doomsday – unfortunately we are not in a position to get one. Stop the Peyton Manning nonsense. He is not going to come to the Jets and compete in the same town as his brother nor will he want to be coached by Rex. Frisco is the best place for him should he desire to leave. About the only thing we will be able to do is pick up a better than average QB to compete with Sanchez so let’s forget about Manning (or anyone else) and put our focus on other areas of need. As much as I would prefer a defensive end/rush linebacker taken in round 1, if this kid (DeCastro) from Stanford is there at #16, you have to seriously consider him – experts are saying he is the best guard to come out since Hutchinson.

  42. By uncle joe on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Jets interested in WR Gerell Robinson at Senior Bowl week. Maybe we do go Safety Barron in first round

  43. By robertpapalia on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Plaxicio Burress had a good comeback year. But for the Jets they need to move on from him and let him go. Part of the reason why Sanchez had problems getting the ball downfield is that his receivers are slow. They need to bring in some receivers by either the draft or free agency that can stretch the field. Not players like Burress that are slow for long passes.

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  45. By kleckofan on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Must’ve been the weakest comeback year ever for Plax to get it…inconsistent play and lots of less than enthusiastic body language. Scjoe- is this kid Poe at the Senior Bowl? With many on here referring to Chrebet, deservedly so, I like the Fleener kid out of Stanford as a Slot/TE type in keeping w our O’s lack of down field passes, which I believe will continue under Sparano. No problem w OL Coach hiring, I don’t read anything more into it being a Miami guy other than “you go with what (who) you know”. There’s a good piece on ESPN (Pg 2) about guys that could’ve only played in a specific era; Namath is included because they think the current 24 hr news cycle would have buried Joe. They then compare Joe and Mark’s first 3 yrs. Recognizing

  46. By kleckofan on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    cont… recognizing the difference in eras and rules (Mark should be doing better) it’s still interesting to note that had we bailed on Joe after 3 seasons we wouldn’t have our one shining moment. Also recognizing that Joe’s athletic skills (even scrambling) were undeniable, giving him a pass (no pun) was an easier proposition for fans.

  47. By jetsfan80 on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Plax played pretty well, but how do you not vote for Smith on this one. What a complete turnaround. He seemed to take good care of the ball and I saw him make some big throws in the postseason. It looks like he may be getting ready to blossom into something special for the 49ers. A little patience in the development of your QB and the right coaches/system around him would probably do the same for Sanchez. I don’t care where we drafted him, as long as he takes care of the ball and can make good decisions and throws when needed, that’s all I want and all our team needs. The level of play, however, will affect the level of pay in the future my friend.

  48. By wayne on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    So you guys are arguing that the Jets should have kept a guy who didn’t play at all over a player who is better, but needed to get straightened out? Hmmmmmm….They put themselves in a bind going out and bringing in malcontents. Sleep with you know what, you get you know what……..Holmes is the better player. The better of the worse, so to speak. They rolled the dice, they came up snake eyes. YOU LIVE YOU LEARN……WE FORGET THIS IS STILL NEW TO TANNENBAUM. HE’S NEVER WON ANYTHING…..LIVE AND LEARN…DON’T DO IT AGAIN….YOU DON’T GO DOUBLING DOWN….MOVE ON.

  49. By Bennett on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    The way I see it is Plax, L/T, Leonard, Scott, Hunter are surely gone. To much money invested in Holmes, he makes nice and stays, To much money, time and face invested in Sanchez he makes nice and stays (with full backing for one more year). Rex also stays with full backing for one year.This idea that Sporano is being secretly groomed as next Head Coach is nonesense. The main problem is gone (Schotty) We need a few good, smart moves for key positions, a good draft, some expolsive veteran free agents, less talk, more smash mouth mentality and for Sanchez to take off the training wheels and become a man and we explode on to the scene 14-2 next year including going up to Foxboro and giving the Pats a well deserved beating

  50. By GaryC on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, I don’t know who you are speaking about when you mention Greene as a fumbler, I stated he had STONE HANDS as a receiver, that is a big difference.the jet offense still needs a back, maybe McKnight who can come out of the backfield and catch,and no, shonn greene isn’t it.

  51. By GaryC on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    I am very adamant about bringing in Peyton Manning, how could management think about unretiring AL Woodall’s jersey.

  52. By Harvard prof on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Why are the Jets doubling down on ground and pound? The AFC EAST will be very good against the run next year! The Bills will get their injured starters back and draft DTs in their pics and in free agency. The Pats will draft Corners and are already tough to run against, and Miami are top 10 against the run, and will be getting a very tough offense and running game to boot. Why not even try to improve the airial attack? do you think sanchez will be able to win without WRs or a good running back? It looks like the Jets will be battling the Bills for last palce in the division, and will be the laughingstock of New york… Im embarrased that I told my coworkers that I was a Jets fan.

  53. By DKM on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    bennett, im sort of with you but you cant tell me bringing in Sparano and some of his coaches has to be some sort of backup plan at least it had to cross your mind, Sparano didnt finish that bad and his Team absolutely played hard for him till the end, dont forget the crap Ross pulled on him before he retained him as a coach, there is also a lot of people who thought that he deserved a another shot as a Headcoach and would do pretty good. Also dont forget his biggest supporter to this Day is Bill Parcells who groomed him and still talks very highly of him.

  54. By SCfromNY on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Since Sept. I have been complaining about getting rid of Braylan and Cotchery. I think Braylon would come back. The Jets kept Holmes because he had a name “super bowl MVP” and 4 game winning catches in a short season. I am REALLY tired as others have mentioned, hearing about “ground and pound” You need an elite or near elite QB to win with a complimentary run game. Getting Peyton would postpone the SB even further.We need a fast WR opposite Braylon and Holmes in the slot like Welker and someone to throw to them.

  55. By wayne on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC says yes, NECK says no..If they go chasing some other pretty face only to find their affections are unrequited, they will shatter they will shatter the already shaky psyche of the one they got….I know you don’t think he’s the guy, but they’ve kinda bet their careers on it. To swing and miss this big 3 times will begin to look like they’re just feeling around in the dark…..THAT WON’T BODE WELL FOR LONG TERM EMPLOYMENT…..Rex already guaranteed he’d be there 15yrs. That’s not gonna happen if they go willy nillying all over the place..They’ll do their due dilly, because that’s the way they do what they do, but it will be done discreetly not to offend GQ, only to get a “I can’t”…..JUST MY PREDICTIOIN

  56. By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, 2005 Big Ben 2,385 yards, 17 TDS & 10 turnovers not even CLOSE to elite.

  57. By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, 2008 Big Ben 3,301 yards 17 TDS & 22 turnovers LOL not even CLOSE to elite.

  58. By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, 2001 Brady 2,843 yards, 18 TDS & 15 turnovers not even CLOSE to elite.

  59. By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, Brady 2003 3,620 yards 23 TDS & 17 turnovers not even CLOSE to elite.

  60. By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, Brady 2004 3,692 yards, 28 TDS & 19 turnovers still not to elite.

    By the way Brady & Big Ben where ligthing up the skys with Ben’s 2,300 yards when he won the bowl & Brady with his 2,800 yards when he won the bowl. They were throwing the ball all over the lot (sarcasm)

  61. By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Eli, 2008 3,336 yards, 23 TDS & 27 TURNOVERS YEA HE WAS ELITE! Eli was not a elite QB until this year he had 30 TURNOVERS last year 30 no ELITE QB has 30 turnovers SORRY DOES NOT HAPPEN. Before this season Eli had a interview on 1050 ESPN Mike Kay asked him if he was ELITE he said yes THE WHOLE TRI STATE AREA LAUGHED AT HIM! Today I was listening to the radio the guy was comparing Eli to Brady & he said 1 year ago today if I compared the 2 guys would have said I was nuts. Before this year if you said Eli was ELITE someone would tell you to get your head examined.

  62. By scjoe on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    kleckofan, No, Poe will not be at the senior bowl, he is only a junior at Memphis. But I truly believe his stock will soar after the combine and he will be gone by the time the Jets pick. What worries me is if Ellis can’t resolve his legal issues and Pouha who is an UFA isn’t back what do we do at the most important position when you run a pure 3-4? Two options, you convert to more of a hybrid or use more of a 4-3 OR you move up and get a guy like Poe, because after him there is not much more if you are looking for a 3-4 NT.

  63. By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Brad Johnson & Trent Dilfer now I just proved 8 out of the last 11 Super Bowls were won by teams with great D’S, good running games & GAME MANAGERS AT QB. YOU ARE WRONG! Now what you will try to do is write in all caps, say the same things you always say & bring nothing new or insitefull to the table.

  64. By scjoe on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    I was one who preferred Edwards over Holmes last season as well. But like they say, hindsight is 20/20. But I did think BE was just as much a deep threat as SH but with better size and better blocking ability, Moot point right now. Someone suggested renegotiating SH salary, why would he be open to doing that? there is a ton of guaranteed money there that he will collect whether he plays or not. Thank you Mr T. As I mentioned previously, the best thing that can happen re: SH is that he fails another drug test. Problem solved, then you go out and sign a BE, a Colston, or a Jackson as a FA, then address a deep threat later in the draft. Yes, they are there.

  65. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, you say “The Jets go 2-6 next year so…lets make the leader of that stinking offense our HC” — yup, that’s likely but with Sparano the INTERIM HC, with Woody finally getting down to biz about big changes if the patchwork Rex/Sparano team doesn’t shine. As DKM says, “I’m sure Woody is setting himself up for a quick change if things don’t work out.” GaryC, Simms’ time in the NFL is ancient history, not remotely analogous to today. He might not even be that good today, he’s solidly in the category of game managers with only okay arms. Notice how people are saying that if it comes to a shootout Brady will best Eli — and Eli looks like Brady next to Sanchez! Harvard prof, ground and pound won’t work if overdone and Rex will be gone.

  66. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, hilarious about Woodall but you must not remember Greene’s first 2 yrs, he fumbled in key moments. I kept saying Peterson’s fumbled for 5 yrs and is still working on it and this yr SG didn’t fumble. I even hold out hope Sanchez may stop fumbling, but it better happen in 2012. Bennett, you’ve caught Rex’s disease which is that merely saying MS is elite and we’ll beat NE will make it happen. WHERE IN THE WORLD do you get the idea that we’re poised for anything resembling a 14-2 yr? Why do you think a single post-season win over NE means squat? All yr Arte told me “But we beat NE last yr!” and I’d say “But we lost to DEN this yr!” Get back to me when we’re even in NE’s league. We’ve got Revis and Mangold, they’ve got everything else.

  67. By kleckofan on Jan 25, 2012 | Reply

    I’ll take a double of whatever Bennett’s having, sounds like it puts him in a nice place…not realistic, but nice. “Ain’t never been there, but the brochure sure looks good…”

  68. By Psycho99 on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    With all the dissapointment it´s normal that fingers will be pointed. MS MUST improve next year. In order for him to do that we must improve the OL. I agree that dropping Edwards was a mistake. Hope they can keep JL at S he´s a team player. SH and Plax IF then keep one at the most (played myself 20y, still coaching 5y now USA/Geramny and there is nothing worse than a prima.donna in your team, bye-bya SH). SG is getting better but we need a speed back with hands outta the backfiield. I´ll be chewing my nails on draft day if I have any left! Gotta improve on key positions and the front office has to do extremely well in FA and the draft if we wanna shot next year. We got talent outta last year in the draft. DEVELOP IT! Look at MoW. If…

  69. By Psycho99 on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    (cont) If they have to double him half the time why isn´t pressure coming from somewhere else? Pioha MoW Maybin are roots to grow on next year, Cro and Revis are the leauges best set. They better go get an O-Liner and another monster for the D-Line. You wanna win, you HAVE to win in the trenches! Other than that a fast strong LB, another S to team up with JL, a deep threat(Braylon we miss you), and some depth around the table. Give the coaching staff a chance to do there job but, give them some more talent that CAN play like a JET!!! Rex will be fine. I believe him and Sparano are a good fit. So let´s get to work. Concentrate on the GandP + play smash-mouth football. I demand of my boys, “we don´t talk ****, WE PLAY FOOTBALL!”

  70. By Raymond Tracey on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Congratulations to Plax, he deserves it. JETS need to ensure they wrap him up for a few more years. J E T S next year….Rex we feel you man don’t lose your swag.

  71. By IRA on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    scott and DKM,
    Thats right finally people see the big picture about how they broke up their WR core from that 010 team. It was one of the biggest mistakes they made that led to the failure of the 011 season. How can anybody honestly try to tell me that they went into this year with NO WAY to stretch the field. And Mark had more chemistry with Edwards in 010 than he did with Holmes. Edwards did the dirty work that set up Holmes who made great plays and got the glory. This was such a huge blunder. I will never understand it. They should’ve been able to work out the contracts to get both SH and BE back.

  72. By IRA on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Once this fiasco of the Pats and Giants are over then we can move on to next year. For the first time since 1995 i have no idea what to expect from this team. To me its a rebuilding year. They have so many needs and i think one offseason is not enough time to get it done. I think they will make some good FA moves something Mr T just couldn’t get done last year with the lockout and all and can only hope they have a strong draft. I think they can be a 9-7 or 10-6 team and compete for a WC spot if they make the right personnel moves. Once again build a team around Mark that plays to his strengths and he will be fine. I think the bad taste about this year is the mess that came out about the locker room that has most of us in an uproar.
    GO JETS!

  73. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Spice, from the NFL site: “Based on the way he was hobbling around during the Steelers’ playoff loss earlier this month, Ben Roethlisberger‘s appearance at this week’s Pro Bowl has to be considered some kind of bonus…for the fans. PIT might not be thrilled with the idea of their banged-up QB running around during an all-star game. He tossed a few passes during Wednesday’s practice and said afterward his injured ankle wasn’t an issue. He walked with a slight limp in practice but swears he’s well enough to play.” Guess they didn’t get your memo from the Ministry of Elite QB Denial, eh? I won’t hold breath till “Mark” makes the Pro Bowl, healthy or injured. But I’ll go easy on ya since you admitted your priority is a winning Jet team.

  74. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Honest words from James Walker, ESPN: “There is no way around it. The Jets need two starting safetys next season. Leonhard’s a free agent coming off a season-ending knee injury and Smith struggled last season. New York must patch up this weakness, which continually was exposed last season. One could come from the draft and the other in free agency. I think TEN’s Michael Griffin is the best vet safety on the market, though some may argue for hard-hitting LaRon Landry of WASH. It’s a valid debate. But Griffin is more consistent and a better all-around player, and versatility is needed in New York’s D. Griffin’s also durable, he’s never missed a game for TEN in 5 seasons.” See what I mean about non-New Yorkers seeing things more honestly?

  75. By DKM on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    it is important that we get Pouha signed cause going into the Offseason NT shouldnt be 1 of our problems, i dont care much about the other FA on the Team, maybe you take good hart look at Maybin if the price is right bring him back, im still researching the Draft as we speak, but selecting a Wideout or a Safety in round 1 is not one of my FAVS. There to many OL, DL, and OLB this year to pass them (names i will give later) havent set on some of these guys yet also depending whats happening in FA. Here is something i would like to see the Jets do this Year in the draft, if you dont need a QB go with the guys who stuff the Holes or create them, cause that seems to work for everybody else. If you dont get a DE in FA, there is Plenty of good one

  76. By Chicago Bob on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Keep hearing Mark Barron’s name come up when we pick at #16. From what people are saying, he is solid however not the 2nd coming of Ronnie Lott or Kenny Easley. Reed and Polamalu are the class of the NFL however both of them have something in common – they played on defenses that had a quality pass rush – something we SEVERELY lack. We could draft Barron with the 16th pick however as long as opposing QB’s have the time, anyone can be exposed – that is why we need to focus on a rush DE/OLB if available at #16 – look how much Denver’s defense improved just with the addition of Von Miller- same can be said for the 49ers and Aldon Smith. Facing Brady twice a year, we need to find someone they need to account for when he drops back to pass.

  77. By DKM on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    For all the Holmes Haters he is not going anywhere, to much we spend on him and his deadmoney will hurt us for many years to come.
    KLECKOFAN, good one, made me laugh the whole morning. Bennett sorry man. Its all in fun.

  78. By IRA on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t count Leonhard out just yet but they will draft a safety and sign a free agent to start too. They just can’t expect Leonhard to be ready to start and with all due respect coming off of back to back seasons with major injuries it will take its toll on him. They need to get faster across the baord on both sides of the ball especially at the safety spots. We all know how the NFL has evolved into a pass happy league and with the Pats success with their double TE’s most teams will follow in this copycat league. So you better be prepared to have a counter for this type of attack.

  79. By DKM on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    not having continuety in the WR core was part of MS having a hard time this year, thats something we need to adress and beside the Money thats another reason why they cant let go of Holmes, they just need to straighten out there differences. They all Pros and playing for same thing here not a Kindergarten.

  80. By wayne on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer you are incredible with these numbers man……..I’m see your numbers in my sleep. Please………INTANGIBLES SIR. INTANGIBLES…..That’s what GQ is lacking….Something is wrong if he’s putting in so much hard work and long hours and still can’t read D, decision making still so awful. It’s going on yr 4 now. He would have been out of school by now….Didn’t listen to his college coach who advz him he wasn’t ready. Next decision was to go Hollywood. Couldn’t wait for glitz, glamor and bright lights, couldn’t wait to earn it…..HIS DECISION MAKING HAS NOT IMPROVED……A preponderance of numbers can not hide that..

  81. By wayne on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve been saying it since the beginning of last year. The Jets are in salary cap purgatory….Why would a team need help on the OL not pick up help? Why could they give Shaun Ellis extra 100,000? and on and on. They picked up no one, except a rookie FA OL? The capologist can’t admit he’s made a mess of it….There’s no other reason for not getting help in areas where help is needed…The same team who the year before never saw an FA they could resist…………….64, you never met an honest man who didn’t agree with you……LOL…..It was said with love Jet fan……………I agree with ya…..on this one.

  82. By wayne on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I have nothing against Braylon. He’s got a bunch of talent, but another guy more enamored of the glitz…Who knows, maybe the light flips on and he realizes his potential…I never say never….It’s just sad that in starting out Jets NEVER gave this young QB a chance putting him in the ideal situation for long term success. They put a bunch of questionable characters around him…Who does he draw from? Who did he have oppty to learn from?……Just wishing we could put the genie back in the bottle……But then it wudn’t a raind b4 game in 86,they wuda finished aft leading 20-6 @ the 1/2 in DEN, Peyton wuda come out……Blah, blah,blah…..Maybe Joe just needed to lose that game about a billion years ago.

  83. By carl on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Randy any cap #s yet? Just wondering how we are against the cap. Go Jets!!!

  84. By Randy Lange on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry, carl, I don’t receive any salary cap numbers, for public posting or even for private perusal.

  85. By scjoe on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne, the salary cap can change in a matter of hours. It needs to start changing by giving MS a healthy pay cut. I really don’t think where they are with the salary cap is the most significant deterrent to what they need to get done, it is FO philosophy. Ira, and a few others, you just can’t keep pretending that IF MS had a different WR group he would have automatically become an elite QB. It is the QB, not the WRs. I think 60 NFL starts has proved that. Good QBs, and I use the term “good” rather then elite, but good QBs find ways to get it done no matter who their WRs are (Bradty, Peyton, Brees, and oh yea, “rookie” QB Andy Dalton) Just so we are not talking about elite QBs only.

  86. By scjoe on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, you haven’t answered any of my recent posts including a few questions I tried to ask, but, let me make this point anyway. You say that 8 of the past 11 SBs were won by teams with great Ds and game managers, That can be disputed, maybe they did have great Ds, but the fact is MOST had elite QBs, here we go….2011, Rodgers, 2010, Brees, 2009, Big Ben(*) 2008, E.Manning, 2007, Peyton, 2006, Ben, 2005, Brady, 2004, Brady, 2002, Brady, 2000, Warner (*) and of course, 2012 Brady OR Eli. The * after Ben and Warner indicate they may not be elite, but they sure know how to carry their teams to championships. These are stats and facts that can’t be disputed.

  87. By Tom Spicer on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne, This is what you & others dont understand I am not talking about Mark. I could careless about him replace him today & I will be happy as long as the guy is better. My posts are in response to Joe telling me Big Ben throwing for 2,300 yards is a ELITE QB when that is not possible. If 2,300 yards does not make you a a game manager what does? In todays NFL 6 guys threw for DOUBLE what he threw for the year he won the Super Bowl. He was a game manager it is INDISPUTABLE!

  88. By wayne on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Just read where Joe recounted John Schmitt telling “enough playboy”……..GQ

  89. By GaryC on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    See Jet Fan tom, even Mr, Jet, Joe Namath knows the jets dont have enough ammunition,pardon the pun,around Sanchez,now go against your hero,but he speaks the truth.as for Phil Simms,saying he would be a game manager now,the last time I looked the fields haven’t changed since he quarterbacked,I think he could still hit the seam route to Bavaro.

  90. By robertpapalia on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets can and will make any salary cap adjustments to sign the free agents they need going forward.

  91. By IRA on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I never said Mark will be an elite QB. I know they can win and get to the big dance if the right team is bulit around him including the defense which nobody talks about. Yeah they were ok this year but nothing special in my books. They get to share the same amount of blame for the failure this year. How come they didn’t address the middle of the D last offseason?

  92. By DKM on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    The salary cap is not in bad shape with plenty of room to find space by adjusting a couple of contracts, wayne pretty good source of info is nyjetscap.com, Jason does a pretty good job breaking down contracts and cap space with info that is availsble to him, check it out. There is room to sign a couple of decent FA and our Picks. Just like i said you want fix this team in 1 Year.

  93. By Gmany3k on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    To think that Plaxico would be traded or let go after his performance this year shows just how silly people can be and to think for some reason Plax will be in less shape in 2012 .and than to have to read from jets fans who despise Eli because he is a elite QB with the Giants is in the same silly realm. Giants have what it takes to beat the Pats and its all on Brady . here we go again they are reshuffling the deck . I think its past the time we must draft players capable of killing TE’s .

  94. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Funny about honesty, wayne, but you’d have to be deluded, not dishonest, to think we don’t need safetys. I agree with you about safetys, Ira, but I still don’t understand why you keep singing the blues about not holding onto Holmes and Edwards when last yr your only comments were that we wouldn’t be able to do so. I don’t even remember you saying it was worth trying to do but it certainly was and J-Co too, but none of that matters if Sanchez doesn’t get better and fast. GaryC, Namath was wrong about Slauson, wrong about BE’s drops which Ellard cured, and he’s wrong about MS. I think he’s just doing CYA since he said so many great things about him at first, MS is clearly on thin ice. Joe had his problems but he never threw picks to DL guys.

  95. By Bennett on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah 14-2 we beat the Pats TWICE, and…. ready for this….. Mark Sanchez Superbowl MVP. Takes 4 offensive and 2 defensive lineman to pick Ryan up and carry him off the field in triumph

  96. By Jimmer on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Why some people are rough on up and coming players is beyond me. We have Jets backups starting on other teams. If we weren’t so set on making headlines in F/A, we could still have them.
    As far as the original story, if we had Braylon and Burress, we’d have been way better off. Braylon had issues off the field, but was all man ON the field. Holmes seems the opposite. We need the guys that man-up on game day. Plax did that, as did BE. Holmes was like MeShawn. Cotchery was replaced with a good prospect. No bad there in my opinion. LT could run for 1K to this day. Our OL couldn’t though, couldn’t protect Sanchez either. Only great player we have on O is Mangold. And that makes me sad.

  97. By scjoe on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I hear you about the D, but part of the problem (I believe a big part) has to do with so many 3 and outs by this under performing offense led by you know who. They just could not close out games when they needed to. I think the lack of an off season conditioning program played in to that as well, but more so all of those 3 and outs. Not to mention the number of turnovers putting that D right back on the field again. I think overall, the D is two to three players away from being very good, I won’t go any further then that, but that should be sufficient.

  98. By AK_Jet on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    Just watched the Jets @ N.E. game from this past season… wow are offense certainly doesn’t live up to its end of the bargain, now that schotts gone lets fix it and build on our strength; pounding the rock. I hate to admit it but I think we missed big on Holmes, he doesn’t scare anybody deep and needs an accuracte passer to hit him in stride, plus he’s less than interested in blocking… Frustrating watching him and Plaxico break the huddle before the rest of the team and slowly jog to their spots, what babies. Defensively drafting Melvin Ingram might cure that issue some say we have at safety, hard to expect guys to cover longer than 4 secs. However, a free agent safety would prove smart due to uncertainty with Leonard. Cordy Glenn @ RT.

  99. By Tom Spicer on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, The only question I saw you ask me was do I read JC & I responed no.

  100. By MiIKE on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    I am absolutely scared for the Jets to take a pass rusher in the first round of the draft after taking VG in 08. If they do decide to take one please pass on Quinton Couples, I hope I am wrong but he is another Vernon Gholston. Noticed Sparano uses a lot of 2 TE formations so it would be a know brainer for them to either sign a blocking in line TE or draft one after round 3. Also I think Jets may be able to find a pass rusher in second round.

    Also mocks drafts have Jets selecting Mark Barren at 16 which would be a great pick however I think the safety could slip to late 1st round. Maybe move back for more picks if thats there guy.

  101. By danny on Jan 26, 2012 | Reply

    I wouldn’t go as far as saying ’12 will be a rebuilding here, but changes need to be made. I believe in Sparano. watching him in the south fla area for the last 3 years i can say he always brought a lot of passion every sunday and always had his players fighting for him. I think the Jets need to make a statement and cut their losses and release holmes even with the 7 mil cap hit. Draft Ty hilton to replace imm. Rex needs to make a statement and back up his words about playing like a jet.

  102. By JETSFAN44 on Jan 27, 2012 | Reply

    i think the way the jets more bang for their buck this year in the draft is by drafting a couple of south carolina guys in the first couple rounds. i was positive i wanted the jets to take mark barron at the 16 spot but if melvin ingram is on the board i dont see how they pass on him he has good size and uses his hands extremely well shedding blocks and he has to be the most athletic 270 pound de/olb hybrid guy that ive seen in some time. if hes available id run to the podium to take him at 16 then draft his teammate antonio allen in either the 2nd or 3rd round to fill our need at safety. allen has good size at 6’2” 202 has good instincts in the run game and has enough coverage skills to make plays on the ball not just make the tackle

  103. By JETSFAN44 on Jan 27, 2012 | Reply

    with the remainder of the jets picks id like to see them go after a wr bc plax isnt coming back and i wouldnt want him back for the price he will be looking for and he cant stretch the field anymore like he once did. I think plax played well in the redzone and had a much better yr than i thought he would but they need some size that also comes with more speed out wide. guys like nick toon, greg childs and bj cunningham come to mind with the latter most likely being available in the late 3rd to 5th rounds bc childs is ocoming off of a knee injury. after that pick up a OT if not already addressed in FA. This draft is pretty deep at tackle so i think there will still be sufficient talent available deep into the 4th or so.what do u guys think?

  104. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 27, 2012 | Reply

    Oh brother, now Revis says Rex had no idea what was going on in the Jets’ locker room. I can hear some of you guys now — “TRADE HIM, HE’S A TROUBLEMAKER!” I swear, if some of you knee-jerk Rex and “Mark” defenders had your way, the only players we’d keep would be Sanchez, Leonhard, and Brunell — just to make sure “Mark” never has to step up his game.

  105. By IRA on Jan 27, 2012 | Reply

    Tom, Thats right i thought they couldn’t keep both because of the money they would both want. However the Edwards market was not what i thought it might be and the league for sure were not knocking down his door throwing big money at him. If the Jets had waited they could’ve signed him for the same money they gave Plax. Between the Asomugha dance and the Plax/Edwards move they did not have a good offseason and i am not even factoring losing Digs, Ellis, Coleman, trading Lowery, releasing J-Co. Sure i understand they couldn’t keep them all. Hope they read Revis’ remarks in the papers today and understand that team chemistry and leadership is worth it. Now they have between now and August to fix it. Lets see if they get it right this time around.

  106. By SCfromNY on Jan 27, 2012 | Reply

    “Bennett” . . . MS Super Bowl MVP?. Is that prescription or over the counter drugs you are taking. With some good FAs and decent draft the Jets could go 14-2 and the Super Bowl like you said but only with Sanchez as a backup.

  107. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 27, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, Ira, the Edwards market wasn’t what I thought either, and certainly not what he thought. You’ll recall also that he was just about ready to drop his demand for 5 yrs at $25 mil — still a bit too steep — when he got in trouble in that bar again and after that we seemed to lose interest. At that pt I wasn’t that upset about losing him though there’s no doubt that he took the double coverage off Holmes and vice-versa. Anyway, it still comes down to trading away draft picks, getting excited about FAs instead building with youth, and trying to beat Brady and NE with a game manager while NE is constantly stockpiling enough picks that even if only a few per yr work out they’re in great shape. We’ll never overtake NE that way.

  108. By robertpapalia on Jan 27, 2012 | Reply

    No matter what anybody says Ira 2012 can`t be viewed as a rebuilding year. If the Jets go to the playoffs and lose in the AFC championship game it will be a failure. Nothing short of going to the Super Bowl and winning it will suffice. Especially if the Giants win the Super Bowl..

  109. By GaryC on Jan 27, 2012 | Reply

    and can someone please tell me that the giants won that super bowl against the patriots because of eli,the giants had 3 points going into the fourth quarter. their defense kept them in the game.even in the last drive,eli was close to being picked twice and close to losing a fumble,and he happened to throw a hail mary that was answered by Tyree.let’s see what he does this year against a lousy patriot secondary,if he is as good as he thinks he is.

  110. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 27, 2012 | Reply

    When Eli starts walking into sacks and throwing picks to DL guys, GaryC, I’ll get on his case, not before. The guy we got not only can’t win tough games (I mean against good opponents, not scrubs like 2010′s DET and CLE), he sometimes loses them singlehandedly.

  111. By Eli Rodriguez on Jan 28, 2012 | Reply

    M.S. and S.H. reminds me of a Marriage and then Divorce, how many divorce couple have a good relationship.(My point exactally)One, will have to go but not this year. Next year M.S. contract is up and he will be the one leaving. I really wish Mike T. would not waste (our) time chasing after Peyton mannning. We should stop trying to buy a SUPERBOWL (with bums), lets build a team to compete for years to come. It would be nice to win a superbowl but it means nothing(to me) if we stink for the next 40yrs. It’s all about Character: a man’s word is his bond and Rex Ryan, Mark Sanchez and definitely Santonio Holmes lack this. BILL COWHER there’s a coach and Greg McElroy: just let him compete for the QB’s spot,he’s the diamond in the rough.

  112. By Tom Spicer on Jan 28, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, You are out of control nobody walks into sacks the O line did not block.

  113. By Tom Spicer on Jan 28, 2012 | Reply

    Gary C, Yes you are 100% correct in 2008 when they won the Super Bowl Eli was worse than Mark in stats EVERY SINGLE ONE! & that was his 4 th year in the NFL not his 3rd like Mark. The Giants won based off of there D & running game. For ANYONE not to see this either they have selective memory or they dont know football.

  114. By Jimmer on Jan 28, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, no way is anyone ever gonna call for Revis to go. The first Mangini pick that went bad was VG. He let the numbers overlook the player.
    I was able to throw a shot-put 18 feet when I was 16. I only weighed 170 or so. I also ran a 4.4 40, but never played football. My secret was bad knees.
    VG’s secret was he only liked football for money. Mangini drafted guys that loved football, until VG. Look around the NFL and look at “former JETS”. Mangini actually gave those guys there shot. He may not have been the greatest coach, but he was a great character assessor.

  115. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 28, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, Sanders, Simms, Collinsworth, Cimini, scjoe, and others on this site have all talked many times about Sanchez’s terrible pocket presence and his walking into sacks, get out of the echo chamber with your wife and mother-in-law and starting reading and talking to people who know something about the QB position and how it’s supposed to be played. Jimmer, I was kidding about Revis of course, but the neurotic defense of this very average QB we have at the expense of every other player is truly a disgrace. I don’t recognize this as a winning spirit or the Jet spirit, I see it as the pathetic groping of a bunch of losers, and I don’t expect the Jets to accomplish anything great until Sanchez and Rex, his biggest enabler, are gone.

  116. By Tom Spicer on Jan 29, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, Joe seems to be wearing off on you cause Mark walking into sacks is one of your more borderline crazy statements you have made. The O line played poorly eveyone knows this it is a FACT. Why does every mock draft have them taking a OT, WR , saftey or pass rusher. I tell you why cause those are there 4 biggest problems.

  117. By Jet feeling BLUE on Jan 29, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fan 64, Keep on posting and defending the truth. If all these Bloggers are true Jets Fans, they need to stop drinking Reverand Rex’s Koolaid and face the truth about what’s really wrong with our team. I’m way beyond hoping that MS will be better next year, mostly because next year already past this year. This was the year he was supposed to show up and show the world he was ready to lead this team. Didn’t happen. Never will. But MS is not the only reason for the 8-8 meltdown. Rex & his coaching staff have to take responsibility for not preparing this team for the team they play each week. Where’s the game plan to expose weaknessness of the other team and use your strengths to take control of a game? Didn’t see it.

  118. By GaryC on Jan 29, 2012 | Reply

    How is sanchez supposed to get better this year when everything around him was worse, the receivers, the line, the running game, the defense,some of you guys need to look at the whole picture,instead of your tunnel vision of sanchez.

  119. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 29, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, argue with the many former players who’ve decried Sanchez’s slow learning curve on many issues, including pocket presence. As I’ve said, many QBs like Flacco have been rushed and sacked more in every yr they’ve played than “Mark” but nobody overly makes excuses for them. And Eli was pounded in the 49er game but hung in well enough to win it, MS woulda been on the sideline eating a hot dog. Jet feeling BLUE, MS isn’t the only problem on the team but all the problems are going to take longer to solve as long as Rex is around because he has neither the temperament nor the football intellect of a HC. He’s more like a cheerleader and that only goes so far, especially once the best players on the team (Mangold, Revis, LT) tire of his act.

  120. By Jet Blue on Jan 30, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder what MS did last night while the Pro Bowl was on. Did he watch as rookies like Andy Dalton & Cam Newton showed what young QBs are supposed to look like? Doubt it. His sugar daddy Rex has once again proclaimed him a “Great Quarterback” this past Friday when asked about his QB and next year. Rex is just like his brother and father…….big mouths that can’t back up their talk. He needs to go! He’s not the answer and apparently has no answers. Seems like there was so much optimism 3 yrs ago with a new coach and promising rookie QB. Disappointment is nothing new for Jet Fans, but it’s not something you ever get used to. Let’s see how the team respons to this year’s meltdown. Character?

  121. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 30, 2012 | Reply

    It was mostly smoke and mirrors with Rex, Jet Blue, both literally and figuratively. Teams figured out the wacky blitzes after Rex’s first yr with us, now they rarely work. Teams got tape on Sanchez after his first 4 or 5 games in 2009 and he hasn’t really made that many strides since then, a few good post-season games vs lesser teams, a few good halves of post-season games vs better teams. I will bet you anything right now that Rex will be singing “Mark’s” praises on the day he has to bench him, on the day he (Rex) is fired, on the day he takes a DC job at a lowly NFL team or small college staff. The guy is obviously not capable of more than bluster and joking around and if I owned the team I’d fire him yesterday.

  122. By Row on Jan 30, 2012 | Reply

    The biggest issue with Mark isn’t his stats, he just doesn’t make a lot of game changing plays. Games are won on third down and by big plays. Throws when you are forced into a pass rush situation, the Jets absolutely need a first down, an extended play/drive, he just seems confused, even if it’s a quick hit or a dig and we see someone running down the field with the ball. He gets more chances than most because of the above average defense. No defense stays honest with Sanchez, they can load the box and dare him to throw. The #1 issue is just plain that he doesn’t see the whole field. I remember several plays of Edwards just being gone where he was never seen. It’s not the TEAM around him, it’s him, unfortunately. And that you cannot teach!

  123. By robertpapalia on Jan 30, 2012 | Reply

    Same old Rex. This guys` act is getting old. And he is a joke. I predict he will be gone in 2 years.

  124. By roger muller on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    I’d give Santonio Holmes one more chance because he has made a big difference in the Jets offense. Ithink spurano’s unique style of the running game will open up lanes for Holmes and Plaxico Burress should the Jets retain him and i hope they do. They should get a quality running back and trade Shonn Greene for a front line pass protector. Rex Ryan should stop coddling these players and start having them prove to him that they are worth the money they are getting paid. They should also get rid of Mark Brunell and bring in a top notch backup quarterback to push Mark Sanchez. And Rex should stop telling his players to PLAY LIKE JETS because last year they did just that. The SAME OLD JETS.

  125. By SCfromNY on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    I agree about Santonio even high paid athletes can be depressed and let it affect his work. Shone should stay just not be counted on as the “Bell Cow” Rex’s players should not be constantly told how great they are untl hey do something, Revis and Mangold an exception. Brunell has already retired he probably couldn’t bear to watch Sanchez another season. The Jets will have a difficult time finding a QB to push Sanchez without showing everyone except Rex and Tanny that he is better than Sanchez.

  126. By SOCALJETFAN on Feb 18, 2012 | Reply

    They should re-sign Braylon Edwards,much better player than Plaxico,who is slow and at times look liked he gave up on his routes,glad to see that they signed Patrick Turner for another year,he and SANCHEZ have great chemistry.just like he did with Braylon Edwards…

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