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Trio of Jets Receive All-Pro Nods from TSN

Posted by Eric Allen on January 31, 2012 – 1:27 pm

Joe McKnight didn’t get an invite to play in the Pro Bowl, but The Sporting News named the Jets top kickoff return man to their All-Pro team.  Three Jets earned All-Pro nods from TSN as C Nick Mangold and CB Darrelle Revis both were voted to the team in vote by 30 coaches and executives.

McKnight, a fourth-round pick out of USC in 2010, became the club’s primary kick returner when Brad Smith departed to Buffalo in free agency.  The 5’11”, 205-pounder led the NFL with a 31.6 kickoff return average and his 107-yard scoring return against the Ravens in Week 4 was the longest play in Jets history.  He also blocked a punt in a season-opening win over the Cowboys that Isaiah Trufant scooped up for a game-tying score.

A contributor on offense as well, McKnight averaged 3.1 yards on his 43 rush attempts and 10.7 yards on his 13 receptions.  With the league year set to begin on March 13 and impending unrestricted free agent LaDainian Tomlinson considering retirement, McKnight could see his offensive duties increase under new offensive coordinator Tony Sparano.

“You look at a guy like Joe McKnight and see the strides he took from year one to year two,” said Senior Personnel Executive Terry Bradway during Senior Bowl Week in Mobile, Alabama.  “Now if he can continue to do that in year three, then you’ll feel really good about where he is.”

The Jets feel awfully good about both Mangold and Revis.  Widely considered the best in the sport at their respective positions, they participated in the Pro Bowl “game” Sunday in Honolulu, HI as the AFC captured a 59-41 decision.

Mangold, 6’4”, 307 pounds, was the Jets’ 29th overall selection in 2006.   He missed the first two games of his career in Weeks 3 and 4 losses at Oakland and Baltimore after suffering an ankle injury in a 32-3 rout of the Jacksonville Jaguars on Sep. 18.

“We’re spoiled having Nick Mangold in there,” said QB Mark Sanchez.  “He’s the best in football. Hands down. He’s awesome”

After an interception-less 2010 season, Revis saw the ball more and collected four thefts along with 24 PDs.  The Jets traded up to get Revis with the 14th overall selection in 2007 and the Pittsburgh product has not disappointed.

“I saw where Deion Sanders mentioned…that when it’s all said and done, that he’s (Revis) is going to go in there with the all-time greats, and I don’t disagree with him,” said Rex Ryan.  “Because I think eventually you’re going to end up mentioning Revis with Deion Sanders and Willie Brown.”

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158 Responses to “Trio of Jets Receive All-Pro Nods from TSN”

  1. By russ on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    randy pls teel us that Jets will concentrate on a DL that can dominate not hesitate!!….constant offense changing gets us nowhere…

  2. By robertpapalia on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    It is very important going forward the Jets have a good draft in April. They need to refurbish with the upcoming draft. Very important indeed.

  3. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    …no doubt to be followed by an impassioned post from Spicer, filled with comparisons to QBs going back to Otto Graham, proving the point that the REAL reason Sanchez isn’t elite yet is because the Jets don’t have 13 or 14 All-Pro players. More seriously if not much less pathetically, though, I love how McKnight’s success shows how utterly clueless Rex is about grooming young players, just like the way he wanted to impulsively bench Kerley for a fumble and then got quietly overruled by Westhoff. The end of the Ridiculous Rex Era can’t come a minute too soon for me…wait a minute, let’s keep him around, he’s another good excuse for Sanchez!

  4. By scjoe on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats to Mcknight. Among other things, I think the Jets have to give this guy a bigger piece of the pie. I don’t see Greene as that dynamic back that is necessary to make this offense go. He is a great complementary back with some power, he is very good between the tackles, just not a true lead back. McKnight may not be that back either, but it is time we find out. Ditto Kerley. Both he and McKnight have the speed this offense is so terribly lacking. Why have them watching from the sidelines?

  5. By carl on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    Hey who’s worse the media in NYC or the over analiizing Jet fans? This is a Game, plain and simple!. Hey Rex, I support ya! When were the Jets in playoffs 2 straight years? This is real easy, we need kids bigger than there kids to put there QB on his back!!! Bring back ground and pound!!! Bring back Plax back! Go get Chad to teach MS!!!! Hey Randy does Chad still have the best lifetime completion % in NFL? Give Mark a chance to throw the ball! Better protection is a must . Listen Jets nation we could always go get Rich Kotite to coach again? Go Jets!!!!!!!! P.S. how sick is Jets nation to see the Pats again in the Superbowl?

  6. By Row on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    Rex needs to get back to blitzing. If the Jets can find a safety who will absolutely make WR’s and TE’s pay for going over the middle, they can do anything on D. As for Mcknight, I applaud his average, but he has a few costly giveaways that just shouldn’t happen. So add the best average field position in the NFL to the list of reasons why Sanchez should’ve done more. This is it, time for Mr. T and Co to prove why they make the big bucks. Forget player relationships, I want progress. Go Jets

  7. By Steve on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    Now, with all that said and believe me, it is awesome, time to build around these fellas!

  8. By MiIKE on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    Isn’t it funny that you can have 3 pro bowl offensive lineman, and the Jets o-line is a weak link.

  9. By DKM on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    SCJOE in one of you earlier Post you mentioned that on of your bigger concerns was, who lines up at center, thats why im asking?

  10. By GaryC on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    I have come to the conclusion that this fantasy league stuff has killed the disllike for certain teams,that is why nowadays you can be rooting for a certain player who is playing against your team because he is on your fantasy team.Maybe that is why there is a lot of Giant Love on this website.Maybe a lot of Jet fans have giants on their fantasy league teams.that is why I laugh when jet fan tom says it is better for jets if giants win,why wouldn’t the jets want to get better if the Patriots keep winning.Maybe Jet fan tom, has some giants on his fantasy league.

  11. By GaryC on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    Okay, went down and enjoyed my super bowl experience today,whoppee, rooting for the jets it might be my only time.

  12. By DKM on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats to McKnight had a good year considering his first season, Oh boy not so happy about Rex lateley, i thought at this point somebody told him to tune it down a little, compering Sanders and Revis is a little to early, can we wait just a little longer for that. Heard the interview with Mr. T today on “Moving the Chains”, he saying all the right things, just hope he is acting on it too.

  13. By Tom Spicer on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    I heard today Peyton said is is NOT hanging them up & he worked out today. He said he was throwing to Anthony Gonzales & that he feels good & is on pace to play.

  14. By Tom Spicer on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, You are right Mark is the worst QB in the NFL so many other QBS are better than him like. 1 Tavrios Jackson 2 Alex Smith 3 Kevin Kolb 4 Sam Bradford 5 Josh Freeman 6 Chris Ponder 7 Rex Grossman 8 Matt Cassel 9 Tim Tebow 10 Blaine Gabbert 11 Matt Hasselback 12 Coly Mccoy 13 Chad Henne 14 Joe Flacco 15 Andy Dalton 16 Andrew Luck. UM not really I think I just named half of the league. All of these teams have a worse QB situation then us.

  15. By westcoastJET28 on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    Had it not been for McKnight’s fumbles and the fact that he has to compete with A.Brown from PIT for the spot, he would have been Hawaii bound. This kid has lots of potential. I hope he gets going in the backfield as well, somebody please teach him patience!

  16. By cgb on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    jets have never been good at seeing the talent they have all around them. They can’t seem to develop the talent and implement a game plan to effectively use all the play makers on their roster.woodhead would have been a nice addition in the run and passing game. kerley and Mcnight could also line up in the backfield or slot or WR positions. We probably will not re-sign kerley or Mcnight to future contracts. Bilal looks like a bust so far,does not run with power,maybe that will change.Tom 64, i dont care what any of you say sanchez will rebound have a good year. I trust Sparano will change all that is wrong with O.

  17. By Gabriel on Jan 31, 2012 | Reply

    tom 64 what is your problem? your sounding alot like a Jet hater just like Rich Cimini. Rex and Sanchex are the MAIN reasons we went to the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP TWICE IN A ROW. They have bot yet to have a losing season. His the reason the Jets are actually being considered super bowl contenders and have gotten some new found respect from everyone. Now This season was a bust but that is no excuse to start bashing the man who brought hope to this team and start calling for his head after only 3 years. Remember this is his first gig as head coaching his still young and learning. Because he is a players coach his players would go to war for him. Mark Sanchez is starting to remind me of Joe Namath. Even Joe Namath believes in T-Rex And Sanchise!!!!!

  18. By IRA on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats to Joe and Bradway said it perfectly. Year 3 will be a make or break year for Joe and with Sparano going back to running the ball more Joe will have the chance to make a big impact. I still expect them to draft or sign a FA RB but McKnight will have his chance in camp this summer. He must learn to trust his reads better and stop dancing behind the line of scrimmage. We all know once he is in open space he has the ability to make big plays. Now he must learn to hit the holes quick. 3.1 yds per carry is just not good enough for a player with his athletic ability.

  19. By uncle joe on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah McKnight is going to the Hall of Fame! I like him but, shouldn’t Westoff get the credit here? Anyone he puts back there succeeds. And Oh,did’nt Tannenbaum draft him? And Oh I’m sorry, 64 Tom, Rex is CLUELESS because he wanted to sit a young player who fumbles punts? Rex is the best thing to happen to this Organization in a VERY LONG TIME,and Sanchez will be Eli Status next season!!!

  20. By bleedsgreenandwhite on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Jets need to bring back Braylon Edwards and Plaxico Burress next season and pick up an offensive lineman to replace hunter. I feel like santonio holmes needs a huge physical receiver opposite him to make a difference. Plax is huge but more of a redzone threat in my opinion, Burress stretched the field and made huge plays for the jets last year, many of which set up holmes’ many game-winning plays.

  21. By GaryC on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    I guess the jet fans just want to see a parade down broadway,even if its the Giants.I guess if the giants win they won’t be reading the daily news or the post which will have giants coverage front to back,that won’t bother them,four super bowls to the jets one, that won’t bother them,yeah I guess nowadays you can intertwine, green with blue and it doesn’t matter,the PATRIOTS ARE THE EVIL EMPIRE.OOOHHH, I’M SCARED.this is something else for jet fans to mull over seeing that you want the giants to win.How bad will it be seeing the giants beat the patriots for two super bowls,and the jets can’t even beat them for a division title.

  22. By wayne on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Per touches, Mcknight probably put the ball on the ground more than any other Jet. I supported this kid all along, but he still has some things to prove…..I think the best long term scenario for the Jets would be for GQ or a QB in has age group to establish himself…..Jets have to be looking at it that way. That’s why I prefer competition over a replacement. Since it looks like it will be GQ, then run game must be first priority, even over D, because we know Rex can put a D together, even with what he has now….But we know GQ deosn’t do so well without a run game…….Gannaway or Richardson…..no trading up……down maybe…..Stop throwing away draft picks….Get RT in FA.

  23. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    We do have some young talent to build around. Kerley looks like oour victor cruz given more reps. Mcknight..mmmmm..knock on him is he gets hurt too easy. Turner has alot of upside. Vlad D. He is so rough around the edges but he is big and has long arms, needs big improvement on his footwork. Our LB’s Maugua and Bellmore look “OK”..wilson has made the biggest improvement by far. So we do have some young players to build around. Oh can’t leave out wilkerson he looks like the real deal.

  24. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    I just wanted to jump on this Peyton Manning thing and we can agree or agree to disagree..

    1. Peyton to the redskins: NOT / He will not want to go against his brother 2x a year.
    2. Peyton to the 49rs: NOT / He’s got some ill will towards Harbaugh from their Indy days
    3. Peyton to Seahawks: NOT / Not enough weapons
    4. Peyton to Titans: Maybe, He’s got to ties to Tenn.
    5. Peyton to New Orleans: YES / If they don’t sign Brees this would be perfect for him. He goes Home plus all the weapons are there for him
    6. Peyton to Arizona: Maybe / If they don’t sign Kolb. Fritzgerald is key.
    7 Peyton to NYJ: YES / He will make a ton of money in NY market wise him and Eli doing commericals together.
    He will have weapons on offense

  25. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    If the Jets pick up Edwards or don’t scoff..Reggie wayne plus holmes and dustin keller. Plax will not be back. Kerley in the slot. And our running game. ( Once we address the O-line) and Tom Moore being here that maybe enought to bring him over.
    8. He will have a Top 10 defense at least to protect his leads
    9. And He knows if by any chance He gets us to the superbowl and if the Giants get there too in 2014 at Metlife it will be The biggest Superbowl ever.
    So let the debate begin…………. being that we don’t have anything to talk about till draft day

  26. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    And if Peyton goes to the Saints…I’ll will gladly take Brees!

  27. By IRA on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Can’t take this Sanchez bashing anymore. You guys are brutal. So he took a step back its happened to a lot of players before. Guess that he out played Brady last year in Foxboro means nothing. This is a make or break year for him and i want to see what he can do.

  28. By uncle joe on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    An article about Ellis, his quote about the Jets not being honest to him from ESPN

    “They called and said, ‘We’re going to let Rex speak with you,’ ” Ellis said. “He said, ‘We want you to come back, but we’re not going to start you.’ I’m like, OK. Tannenbaum said, ‘We’ve got other guys in front of you, we’re offering you the minimum. We’ll get back to you.’
    “It’s all how it went about. Just be stand-up, straight up. Just tell me the truth from the start. I’m a big boy, I can handle it. I just felt like there was a lot of sugar coating.”
    HOW MUCH MORE HONEST CAN IT GET!!!! Why don’t YOU be HONEST and say you went there for the MONEY!!!!!!

  29. By uncle joe on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    In a Perfect world we send Holmes to the Redskins to flip second round picks and get TE Fleener or a nice WR with the pick. Don’t know about twitter, but is Braylon Edwards on it? and is it possible for any Jet Fans to write to him questions about if he wants to come back here? The ONLY thing WE ALL agree with here is that we kept the WRONG WR!

  30. By uncle joe on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Would also love to grab that little RB Martin that played in the Senior Bowl, maybe the 3rd round if he is somehow still there. Alot of Mock drafts have us taking Upshaw, I think that would be a HUGE mistake! I’m all over the Mark Barron Safety Bandwagon.

  31. By uncle joe on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    A lot of you Jets Fans here sound just like Giants Fans when they were complaining about their QB. Get rid of Holmes and Sanchez will become a Top Ten QB, If our O-Line gives him more than THREE seconds without getting KILLED and if our WRs actually RAN their routes and if our TE wasn’t the shortest receiver on the Team, I bet he would be one of the better QBs in this league.

  32. By uncle joe on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    And you also sound like the same Giants Fans who were calling for their Coach’s head too, the year they beat the Patriots and this year too!

  33. By uncle joe on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    You people want to get rid of a QB,who as a rookie went toe to toe with-arguably the best QB in the HISTORY of the game-Manning,in his house and would of won had our Defense made ONE stop! Then the following year BEAT-the other arguably best QB in the HISTORY of the game-Brady,in his house and would of beat The BEST defense in the league Steelers in THEIR house had our Defense made ONE stop! He was not the problem this year and we ALL know it! I don’t see any way possible Holmes comes back this year.

  34. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    IRA, I at one time backed sanchez stating that he only played one year of college..and that he didn’t have a Real GOOD vet to learn under for at least 2yrs. His O-line was swiss cheese last year and he had two of his WR go off to FA. But Ira, you have to admit some of the INT’s he threw were just brutal!.. and those game changing INT’s could have been avoided. Year three he shouldn’t make those kind of errors. Look at Andy Dalton and Cam Newton…first year pro-bowlers…Sanchez Zero. Now Schotty might take some of the heat too but I believe given time and the right OC Sanchez can be very good. It’s just not logically for the Jets not to look into peyton. I’m even willing to sit back this year and watch what Sanchez does..maybe if he knows

  35. By russ on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply


  36. By uncle joe on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Eli said it the other day, about Sanchez getting all the blame the same way he did. He also said when you lose the QB and the Coach get too much blame and when you win the QB and the Coach get too much credit!

  37. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    he’s got someone breathing down his back for his job he might step up. But if he makes those kind of errors again and does not show improvement he’s a career back-up then and the Jets have to move foward. I give Rex the same timeline..If he doesn’t get better at his job he’s gone too. And then I will hope and pray we convince Bill Cowher to step in. Sanchez needs to grow up..stop sulking when things get bad. Stop with looking like you are about to cry when things don’t go your way a team will never believe in you when you do those things. They won’t follow you..They won’t trust you and when you have that formula something has to change.

  38. By Frank on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer Sanchize-Not is the 30th rated QB in the Total QBR and I would take at least 10 of the QB’s you named over Sanchize-Not. With the supporting cast Sanchize-Not had the last 3 years he has absolutely stunk it up. He had a few good moments but overall he is what he is a bottom of the ranking below average QB plain and simple. Stats are for losers most of his numbers come when the game is already decided and the opposing defense lays back. The Total QBR takes the situational stats and puts them in the equasion which is why he is at the bottom of the pile. Ira the Sanchize-Not bashing is a result of the regime trying to jam him down our throats and guys like Spicer trying to make him more than he is sooo we need to set the record straight

  39. By robertpapalia on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Plaxico Burress and Braylon Edwards are not worth bringing back. They either have to draft some wide receivers or sign some free agents. Bringing back Jericho Cotchery might be a step in the right direction. Oh by the way , Santonio Holmes is due 7.5 million dollars by Feb.9 th. They should cut him loose and figure how not to take the cap hit. He is just bad in the locker room.

  40. By scjoe on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    DKM…I said “under” center. Meaning the QB. I never questioned the talents of Nick Mangold from day #1

  41. By Bennett on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    You Sanchez guys just ask yourself this : Where would Gronkowski be if his QB was Sanchez? And where would Keller be if Brady was his QB? hmmm? Sanchez is and remains a warm, weather very slow starting QB who finds it neccessary to ride a bike to keep his blood moving between possesions something I don’t remember ever seeing. As his coach said he was not ready for the NFL. He obviously has little respect in the locker room, limited or no leadership skills ,and the biggest thing of all is that he plays scared and can not stand to be hith which results in turnovers, bad decsions, and many many blown oppertunities. He was way overrated in the draft and the Jets fell for it. I would love to have a QB I could support

  42. By scjoe on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Allan O’Dane…You forgot one very important element in your list above….Peyton to the Miami Dolphins. That would equal double trouble. Think about it, a very good O line, a good running game, Brandon Marshall,a very good defense, a warm weather site, plenty of cap room, and last but not least, no state income tax. Think Peyton would have any problem with any of those drawing points? Now, would the Miami Dolphins be interested in signing Peyton? Bet on it!!!!!!!!! They would become instant SB contenders, make no mistake.

  43. By Karan on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Just ignore it IRA, some of these fans will never stop bashing Sanchez. It is truly pathetic.

  44. By dave who goes back 2 the polo grounds on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    hi eric and/or randy- just curious- did santonio go to sanchez’s west coast camp during the lockout?

  45. By Bennett on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Let me answer my own questions… Keller would be a Pro-Bowler and no one would have heard of Gronkowski. Although I was really mad the drafted Sanchez I did pull for him the first year, I think the Jets while concerned were still supportive untile the Dolphins game then even his biggest supporters had to admit what a horrible preformance that was. Lessons? You don.t draft a franchise QB based on a one year history and you look at the whole picture (intangibles) not just some good highlight film, or one good workout

  46. By Tom Spicer on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    They are saying Plax will not be back that the Jets are looking to get younger opposite Holmes.

  47. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, fantasy football is for kids, I don’t even know how it works. Spicer, I didn’t say Sanchez is the worst QB in the NFL, I said he’s in the bottom 3rd where he’s always ranked, especially in the new QB ratings. Gabriel, YOUR problem is you’re satisfied to go to the AFC championship, play one good half, and lose both times. And Rex isn’t “young,” he’s almost 50 and acts like he’s 10. uncle joe, Rex is clueless because he’s overly emotional, especially with young players like Kerley who was in his first yr — except when it comes to MS, who’s “a great QB” and “going to be around a long time” no matter how badly he plays. Ira, evaluating isn’t bashing, you should know that, and like scjoe says stop pushing back MS’s “make or break year.”

  48. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    cgb, Sanchez has a 25% chance to have a great yr in 2012, a 50% chance to be better or worse. Don’t matter anymore because next yr or about half of it is all he’s going to get given the two teams in the SB on Sunday, who are likely to be in it a few more times over the next few yrs. And if Sparano could “change all that is wrong” with our O, he wouldn’t have gotten fired in MIA. Let’s see if he can change anything before putting such blind faith in him. But I agree with you about the Jets’ failure to develop talent in many cases and that’s another reason to lose Rex, he’d rather do stand-up bits about players or chest-bump with them or serve them ice cream than get results out of them. We’re about the most undisciplined NFL team right now.

  49. By Tom Spicer on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    2 spots that will be fixed next year with out us having to do anything are as follows. 1 Mulligan will be replaced by Cumberland. Cumberland was playinf well in 2 tight end sets until he got hurt in the Raider game. Mulligan was a disaster everytime he was in the game it was a sack, false start or a holding. Also Turner was out for the year. In hard knocks Rex talked about how mad Turner was that Slauson was given the right guard job. I think that ahd something to do with Callahan & Slauson’s prior realtionship at Nebraska. I say let the 2 of them battle it out for the job & the loser is the back up center & guard.

  50. By Tom Spicer on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez, Greene & Holmes will be back. Plax is gone they are looking to get younger & faster opposite Holmes. Hunter is gone they know they made a big mistake letting Woody go. Bryan Thomas is gone the will replace him with someone they think can rush the passer. The Jets with free agency & the top of the draft will at least address the RT, WR & OLB spots.

  51. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    And to anyone who thinks me, scjoe, or anybody else is too hard on Sanchez, Rex, Mr T, Woody, or whoever else, I won’t call you losers (though that’s what you sound like). I’ll just ask you to look over the entire Jet history, which includes one magical yr, a few sorta-near-misses, and mostly mediocrity or worse, and tell me you’re satisfied. Then tell me that based on your level of satisfaction, you’re happy to keep making excuses for players, coaches, or the FO. If so, you’re part of the problem. I can think of few teams in the NFL over the last 20 yrs who’ve needed a complete change of attack and attitude more than the Jets. Rex’s John Belushi/John Candy-esque impersonation of a HC is the last thing this sorry team and organization need.

  52. By Tom Spicer on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    This is more proof that the Jets are going after a OLB everyone knows Bryan Thomas will not be back but I got this off of a site I read. “Jets OLB Jamaal Westerman is recovering from surgery to repair a torn groin muscle.
    A restricted free agent, Westerman initially injured the groin all the way back in training camp. He played all 16 games (three starts) and didn’t realize the injury’s extent until postseason exams. The Jets won’t want Westerman to return as a starter in 2012, but he’s likely to receive a second-round tender. “

  53. By Russell on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    IRA, Sanchez took more than a step backwards last season, he fell off the cliff. We’re allowed to bash him because of the money he is paid and the prices we Jet fans have to pay for tickets, parking and concessions. Not to mention the high expectations for the team. So, let’s fix the offensive line, get another running back and wide receiver and recommit to the running game, which may or may not help with his performance. But Sanchez needs to improve in reading defenses and situational decisions. Defensively, Jets need that pass rushing OLB, another ILB and a couple of DB who can cover the safety and make some tackles. At # 16, I hope the Jets draft either OLB/ILB Upshaw of Alabama or DE/OLB Ingram of South Carolina.

  54. By Tom Spicer on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Gary C, I am with you I am okay with the Pats winning the Super Bowl they may have the best QB & the best head coach ever to play the game. I can accept that. But for the Giants to win again that will make it 4 Super Bowls to 1. Also I have no friends who are Pats fans I just dont like them cause they are ouir rivals ALL of my freinds are Giant fans & they are total jerks to me about what a joke the Jets are. I for 1 will be rooting for the Pats.

  55. By Tom Spicer on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    I just read Mark is dating Kim Kardashian NO MARK NO! Stay as far away from her as possible. Wayne I think you are right if this is true he is truly GQ.

  56. By GaryC on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    thank you Tom Spicer, now that is how most jet fans should see this game.If you live in new york where I guess most jet fans are, you will come across more giant fans ready to stick it to you.Sometimes you cannot figure jet fans out.

  57. By GaryC on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    I guess kim kardashian is making her way around the USC clubhouse, first Reggie Bush, Sanchez,Patrick Turner, be careful.

  58. By MiIKE on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats to the boys for the all pro nod. As far as Sanchez goes here are the facts. Yes his running game and pass protection were not up to 2009 2010 season standards; however Mark was turning the ball over at the worst possible times. I would rather see him throw a pick in the red zone rather than inside his own 20. He also fumbles more than any QB I’ve ever seen, and does not look off is receivers. If Mark can be smarter with the ball than I thunk he can return to form which is game manager.

  59. By robertpapalia on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    I think Sanchez has to have at least 1 more year to prove he was worth a 1st round draft choice. Otherwise it will not matter if he doesn`t pan out. Both he and Rex will be gone anyway.

  60. By GaryC on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    If the jets knew how to beat the patriots they wouldn’t be much of a rival,figure it out,the jet fan is more jealous of their success wishing their team was that successful.the patriots are the gold standard,the jets management should be working to get there, P;S.I am still rooting for patriots in super bowl.

  61. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Shouldn’t that be “Brawling in the Huddle with Santonio Holmes”? Good to see some folks fairly evaluating Sanchez. Let me burst a bubble for some of you: We’re not “close” or “1 or 2 players away.” We have a mediocre QB; lack playmakers on O; have OL issues; have little pass rush and no NT; almost all our LBs need to go; need new guys at S; little to no depth anywhere; and most of you don’t even like our K and P. That’s what happens when you don’t draft smart and with as many picks as you can yr after yr and until that changes, all Rex’s bloviating won’t achieve a thing…except to fire up rival D’s at our deer-in-the-headlights QB even more, of course. Luckily the Sanchez Experiment will either take a great leap forward in 2012 or be over.

  62. By GaryC on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    peyton manning will go to arizona, he has larry fitzgerald to throw to and he can put his neck under the arizona sun as an elixir for his pain.He won’t get that in december and january in new york.

  63. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    That’s hilarious about Patrick Turner, GaryC, and don’t count out McKnight even if he’s shorter than Kim K. Living in L.A. where I’m subjected to this idiocy on a daily basis, I don’t usually care about this who’s-dating-who stuff. But while I wouldn’t throw Kim off the exercise bike, I must say if Sanchez is within three sushi bars of her, that might blow a hole thru one thing I’ve always liked about him, the “He can handle the big stage” thing. He HAS to know this isn’t a good time for him to get himself onto Page 6 of the Post! And how could he NOT know Rule #1 on What’s Great About L.A? “You don’t have to go out with [your favorite actress's name here], just go out with one of the many actress-waitresses who looks exactly like her.”

  64. By DKM on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe my bat sorry you did say under center. For all the people hating on Ducasse yes we picked him in the second Round but he was a project from the get go and at least 3 years away from being a contributer on this Team even Jim Miller said this. And NOBODY, especially JETS FANS schould be OK with the PATS winning the SB. Not with all the Missery they put us thru year in and year out.

  65. By Tom Spicer on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, Did you happen to check 2010 Marks 2nd year in the NFL? Mark was 17th in the NFL in total QBR in 2010. Now it has been well documented & anyone who knows the game will tell you Marks line was significantly worse than last year. Between Mangold & Moore being hurt, Brick having a down year & Hunter being the WORST starting tackle in the NFL I think it is safe to say THIS IS A FACT. Now lets add a lack of a running game to that & the FACT that you replace Braylon Edwards & Jerrico Cothcery with in your words “as slow as a clidesdale horse” Plax & a rookie in Kerley. So you replace a great & very good WR (Braylon & Cotchery) with a has been (Plax) & a never was (Kerley). IT IS CLEAR TO SEE YOU WILL DO WORSE!

  66. By scjoe on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    To all of the Sanchez supporters.The debate is becoming quite redundant at this point in time. What you all refer to as bashing, hating,criticizing etc. In reality is telling it like it is PERIOD. Can any one of you please explain to me what it is that you have seen in his three years a starter that leads you to believe that this QB is any closer to being that “franchise” QB that Jet fans were led to believe when they gave up a #2 pick and a 50 Mil contract 3 years ago. After more then 50 years of following this team and this sport I like to consider myself an educated fan and I haven’t seen any sign of a franchise QB in him. Matter of fact I haven’t seen any improvement aside from a few meaningless stats…………..

  67. By scjoe on Feb 1, 2012 | Reply

    What is it that any of you have seen that I may have missed? You can not continuously place the blame on everything else around him and give him a free pass, not at 15 mil a year and not based on his overall performance. A franchise QB carries a team when he needs to. This QB at this point in time, and that is giving him the benefit of the doubt, is not capable of doing that. It has always been coaching, O line, running game, WRs. everything but Mark Sanchez. So I ask one more time, what is it that any of you have seen in him that makes all the rest of us so wrong in our “opinion”? And that is what it is, not hatred or bashing.

  68. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    After reading Cimini’s report on Plax’s comments on the Jets in Indianapolis, it seems pretty clear that at one time or another, in one way or another, Holmes, Plax, and Mason all complained about Sanchez at QB. What an embarrassment it’ll turn out for some in the Jets org, and for more than a few on this site, when it’s proven that these three vet WRs, all of whom have had starring moments, games, and yrs, were right and the head-in-the-sand defenders of “Mark” were wrong. And by the way, I say he has a 25% chance of having a great yr in 2012 because if he did, that would be one great yr in 4, with 3 other mediocre yrs that in the end were almost exactly the same. In that context, a great yr for MS in 2012 is in no way all that likely.

  69. By IRA on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Yes Sanchez did make some horrible plays and decisions last year. It was a trickle down affect from that Ravens game and it got worse as the season went along. But at times he did show that he could make plays. Just too inconsistent and he was helped with that along the way from the play calling at times to the players around him.
    Like i have been saying get him a new QB coach and start fresh and i think he will be fine. If not and he doesn’t improve then it will be time to turn the page on him after next year. My gut says he can get this done. Only time will tell.

  70. By GaryC on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Dump Holmes, the old addition by subtraction theory,take the salary cap hit,his antagonism towards sanchez will only fester as the year goes if the ball doesn’t come his way, another diva wideout, less of them, the better.And go Pats and stick it to the giants,I am looking for a GIANT SHISH-KE-BOB.

  71. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    I keep hearing from Giant fans on how their season turned around when they beat the Jets. How funny that game turned two football teams around. One good..and one BAD. And it always seems to happen to the Jets. Now if the Giants win..I am going to be really mad..If the Pats win I am going to be even more upset. Even when the Jets are home and playing golf I am still getting upset over them. This is the world of a Jet Fan…………………….sighhhhhhhhh

  72. By Bennett on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    If we were to trade Sanchez do you think we would get the 5th overall pick for him? After 3 years in the NFL could we even get a 1st round pick forr him? How about a late 2nd round and the mysterious “player to be named”

  73. By wayne on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    64, you’re wrong on a couple of accounts….GQ doesn’t know how to handle the big stage, he knows how to enjoy it….Being able to enjoy the company of a pretty you thing is not hard for a studly young athlete, famous or not, much less QB….. And we root for the NYJets, it’s not just some of us that might be losers. We’re all bettin’ on the same horse, friend….I’ve been talking about T for a long time, while guys laud him for 4th and 5th rounders. Never liked Rex’s mouth from beginning. At same time turning things over means another long wait…… Spicer,.I don’t care what the reports are for Peyton, he has 28 million reasons to be optimistic. Proof is in the pudding…………………..Besides, I like apples in my turnovers.

  74. By wayne on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I hope you’re right. But we’ll get some signs first day back on the job of which direction he’s headed in. Needs to get it done THIS YEAR….Not next, or the one after it. THIS YEAR. Because if he doesn’t he won’t be given any more. Take charge, the center can’t do it for him. Then on the field he must be the guy who knows more about what’s going on than anyone else…..The pacesetter…Is he tough enough? Yeah, he bounces up…So what, you’re taught that from peewee….Can he stand in there when he’s about to get crushed and make a play? These are the things we need to know. More importantly, his teammates need to know.

  75. By uncle joe on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Take it easy 64 Tom,people who constantly complain about everything usually sound like a loser! Those 3 WRs you talking about that complained about Sanchez, Mason got cut by Balt., came to us and got cut, went to Houston and got cut and is now out of Football. A 5th round rookie replaced him here and I think he played AWESOME. Those other two? Cut by Two of the best Franchises in the History of the GAME. Take it from where it is coming from like I did with your comment!

  76. By uncle joe on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Read an article with Amani Toomer who also said that Eli couldn’t be what he is until the Giants got rid of Shockey. Mason destroyed this team in the short time he was here.

  77. By uncle joe on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Great Franchises keep there guys so they can learn and grow together. More than half Brady’s game is he and his receivers knowing exactly what each other are thinking. Sanchez has had different receivers every year he has played. Braylon Edwards never said anything bad about Sanchez! Cotchery?Sanchez had no problem connecting with Turner and Kerly! Sanchez Played GREAT in ALL his Playoff games,why would he suddenly have a bad year? Could it have ANYTHING to do with a guy who posts a picture of himself half naked with champagne after he ROBBED us? the same guy who celebrates a TD after he gave the other team TWO TDs.

  78. By DKM on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    JFS 64 you right were are not 1 or 2 players away, but it isnt exactly Doomsday neither, it is a 2 year project, but with right fixes it is possible to go to the PO im not saying SB ok, we will get a better OLB somewhere in FA or Draft, BT is still somewhat serviceable, lets see if some of the younger guys will step up there, and on ILB have you considert that maybe Scott had a down year with all the xtr games he played in the last 3 years, picking up a safety we will or even 2, NT we allright for now considering Pouha is a young 33, a solid backup will be nice with Ellis when his legal woes are over, Willkerson will turn into JPP in his 2nd year, agree on a another DE. On O RG and RB as well as a Wide out will be adressed than we go from

  79. By Frank on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Really Spicer…did you see…er the again you didn’t… the Giants were shuffling their line around all season and had significant injuries to key players including Manning losing Bradshaw for a few games and no running game the worst in the NFL. BUT MANNING as well as all GOOD QB’s will do stepped up and carried the team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Manning also has 3 brand new receivers and 3 TE’s from the last SB and one new reciever and 2 TE’s this past year and he set records!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Manning got beat up by the 49ers worst than Sanchize-Not did by the Ravens and he DID NOT TURN THE BALL OVER!!!!!!! and won the game!!!!!!
    You either got it or you don’t. Sanchez has been consistantly a turnover machine and horrendous completion %

  80. By DKM on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    there and let me tell you, i like your opinion but you got to come down from the notion that Football is a game of selected effort, stop saying that other teams play the Jets extra hart or better than others Because of Rex or certain Players being there, the Emotions or Motivation might increase but the Effort is the same every Sunday they all play hard. It is still pro Sports afterall and every Coach fields the Best team who gives him the chance to win not one that beats the Jets only.

  81. By DKM on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe there was enough blame put on Sanchez this season so you wrong by saying that Sanchez supporters are dellusionel. Yes he still deserves another chance just cause (and the same areguement Sanchez haters use) where he was picked and the Money he is being payed. And asking Sanchez supporters on every Turn on what they’ve seen, is what havent YOU seen that you cant give him 1 more chance. There is a lot of things he has done good you want admit too, than there is a lot of things he has done bad we want admit too. So it evens out in the end. Much to your dislike he is going to be our QB this comming Season if hes screwing this thing up hes outa here anyway incl. the FO.

  82. By SOCALJETFAN on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    With a new OFFENSIVE -COORDINATOR,and new O-LINE COACH,SANCHEZ will be better,he needs to take back leadership from this team,PLAX will be gone,alot of plays looks like he was SLOW or just giving up on the plays,he seems like the type of player who needs attention,not a TEAM PLAYER,also O-LINE needs to get better,BRING BACK BRAYLON EDWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!

  83. By scjoe on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Now that my comments were posted I should be getting some feedback from the pro Sanchez crowd on exactly what I have missed over the past three seasons for this QB to warrant a 50 mil contract and be designated a “franchise” QB You constantly complain he is being hated, bashed.blamed, criticized, and victimized, So I would ask again what have any of you seen in his game to prove me and many others wrong about our “opinion” of his whole body of work. Is it his rocket arm? His pin point accuracy? His executive decision making? His keen pocket presence? His maturity? His leadership ability? What? There has to be something there that we are missing. Please inform us……

  84. By scjoe on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Generally speaking, a decent QB progresses from year to year. I read so many posts on this site comparing MS to other QBs after a three year period. How many of those other QBs regressed in their third year? Speaking for myself, and I have said this before, I do not hate, or bash any NY Jet player. I want nothing but the best for this team I have all but worshiped over the past 50 years. I call it as I see it. I have seen it and it has not been very pleasant. So please, at least one of you, tell me what I have missed on this particular player over the course of his Jet career?

  85. By uncle joe on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Curious about how Sanchez’ numbers stack up against Eli’s first three seasons. Tom Brady’s too for that matter,and Brady’s coach was CHEATING! Where are all the people from last season that were saying we should’ve drafted Freemon instead of Sanchez?

  86. By robertpapalia on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    I have said this before and I will say it again. Dump Holmes. Nothing good can come with him on the team. Also if the Jets make the playoffs next year, nothing short of a Super Bowl win will suffice. This is especially true if the Giants win the Super Bowl. This upcoming year is either win or bust with Ryan and Sanchez. Will see how this plays out. Of course things will really be different if Manning ever becomes available. Only time will tell.

  87. By uncle joe on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Jets staff have to work with Ducass all offseason and he has to step up and be our RT. We have to stay away from Free Agency (especially because we have no money) take the cap hit and cut some players and use these young hungry players on our own roster. There will be alot of growing pains but it will be well worth it in the end.

  88. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    uncle joe, I’m surprised to see you play the “It’s Everybody’s Fault but Sanchez” game. (You never cut Keller the same slack.) Putting no stock in the opinions of a QB from 3 WRs with those careers is absurd. Next fall you’ll be telling us Sparano’s problem is that he can’t appreciate Sanchez’s brilliance. Some of you folks will be saying this kind of stuff when MS is a backup on SEA and Rex is coaching the D at West Virginia. GaryC, you’re right about the “rivalry” with NE, rivals are usually a lot more evenly matched. DKM, it’s Mangold, Revis, LT, and Steve Young who said Rex’s mouth makes other teams play harder, go argue with them. Your post is classic head-in-the-sand Jet fan — discount what anybody says but Rex because…because…?

  89. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    And DKM, fear of making a move because Sanchez was picked high and cost a lot can at some pt become just delaying the inevitable. Funny how everybody on this site worships Parcells but forgets one of his most brilliant rules: “Better the yr before than the yr after.” If I was Woody, I’d unload Rex, MS, and Holmes right now and get started on being truly competitive in time for that home SB in 2014, but I don’t have the inside info on why he’s playing it the way he is. And the problem with your scold of scjoe is that you’re talking as if just being a competent QB will be a triumph on MS’s part. When you trade up to #5 for a QB, there shouldn’t be 3yrs of suspense as to whether he’s ever going to grasp the fundamentals of the position…

  90. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    …and yet that’s where we are with MS. So, uncle joe, to come back to your post, people who greet obstacles and challenges with denial and whining are the losers, not those who want to aggressively take action. Please tell me — and this goes for you, too, Spicer — how many QBs picked that high took this long to show the “carry a team” trait that scjoe writes about. Oh, I know, nobody else ever had to deal with new WRs, every QB in the NFL’s been sacked less than MS, and all that other garbage. I’ll bend a little on the Eli comparison but what you guys seem to forget is that he played great at yr’s end and won a SB at precisely the time MS (and yes, the Jets) have wilted. The AFC championship’s just another playoff game when you lose it.

  91. By Bennett on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t think Mason single handily destroyed this team as posted. I do think he griped, the Jets totally over reacted, booted him and this caused alot of resentment in some players. He probablky voiced what others were thinking and he was a player that did have the respect to do it.Maybe the should have listened to him. I’m begining to see the unseen, behind the scenes hand of T-baum in alot of this mess. Ryan you got to take charge of this team don’t let a bean counter in where he doesn’t belong

  92. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    An alert from the Future Spicer Denial Warning System: Gronk says he may not practice all week, just like Brady didn’t practice much the week before the BAL game, just like Ben R didn’t practice much for the rest of the yr after the SF game. But if NE loses and Brady doesn’t throw his usual 4 TDs to Gronk, we predict Spice will be right there telling us Brady’s overrated, Gronk’s a bust, the passing game doesn’t win SBs, elite QBs are a myth, ad nauseum. What all this really amounts to is a pearl of cowardice built up around a tiny grain of sand named Mark, a mediocre QB who just HAS to turn out to be great or the republic will fall. Of course, if the Giants lose we’ll hear that Eli’s a bust, Nicks and Cruz got lucky, who knows what else…

  93. By Tom Spicer on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, Mckenzie, Snee & Dehl have been starting on that Giant line for YEARS. They chose to bring in Baas as a free agent. Nicks, Cruz & Manningham have been on the teams for YEARS. This was Eli’s 8th year & he FINALLY blew up. Dont tell me he was ELITE prior to this year last year he had 31 TURNOVERS Mark had 37 turnovers in his 1st 2 years COMBINED!

  94. By Tom Spicer on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, You keep saying Mark is a turnover machine but last year when his O line performed well & he had 3 good WRS (Holmes behaved that year he was looking for a new contract than as soon as he got paid the real Holmes came out). He had 14 TOTAL turnovers on the year picks & fumbles COMBINED. Sorry that is a EXTREMELY LOW NUMBER!

  95. By scjoe on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Here we go again. Excuse # 99, MS receivers changed over the course of two seasons. Hellllllllo… That is the norm in this league in this day and age. Look at the NE roster for 2008, last time they were in the SB.That is a three year period, same as MS. Who were there WRs then? I can tell you it was not Branch, Ocho wacko, Gronkowski (TE) or Hernandez who are on this years roster. Brady did pretty well with a complete new cast of WRs and TEs over that same three year period wouldn’t you say? The only constant there has been Welker. Fact. In the era of free agency that is what happens, it isn’t limited to MS only.You make do with what you have.

  96. By Tom Spicer on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets will get a new WR opposite Holmes Plax is as good as gone. They want someone younger & faster than Plax. Holmes would be gone as well but we owe him a boat load of money guarnteed so he will be back. We will have a new right tackle Wayne Hunter will be back as a backup at best if not totally gone.. A new OLB Bryan Thomas time with the Jets is over. A new saftey I do not know which saftey will be gone but 1 of them will be history. So in the very top of the draft & free agency these 4 spots will be filled. WR, OT, OLB & saftey. YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!

  97. By scjoe on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    Re: the Jane McManus piece on ESPN.com whereby Giants players were so inspired by words coming out of Rex’s mouth prior to their regular season meeting that it caused them to “dig in and play more inspired football” is the most ridicules and the most hilarious thing I have ever read. If that is what it takes to play “inspired football” at seasons end when you are in the thick of a playoff race there is something definitely wrong. With that logic, if Rex had said nothing we would probably be seeing the GB Packers in this weeks game. C’mon man! Speaking about this weeks game, I can not wait till it is in the books and history. I am sick and tired of reading and hearing about theses two teams.

  98. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    From a great piece on the NFL site: “Teams score much more in SBs than in season games. Over the past 10 seasons, SB teams each scored 25.3 pts per game compared to 20.5 pts per game in season, with champions averaging 31.6. And the team that leads the NFL in D TDs during the season tends to have a really bad won-loss record. So why do people cling to the idea that defense is king? One explanation may be truly great D’s (the 1985 Bears, the 2000 Ravens) are so breathtaking that they stand out. Also, no one needs to talk up the virtues of scoring more TDs. Of course you want a great D to go along with O but the idea that a great D is some kind of magic bullet should probably be put away in a drawer somewhere.” As some of us have been saying.

  99. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 2, 2012 | Reply

    I find these 3 facts interesting, especially in their timing: (1) Peyton’s been cleared by his surgeon to play. (2) Woody announces he meets with Sanchez next Thurs. (3) The Jets owe Holmes another $7.5 mil next Wed. Maybe I should add a 4th sort-of fact: (4) Rumors fly that MS is dating Kim K. In my ideal scenario, Woody sits down with Sanchez and says, “Look, no matter what excuses Spicer digs up you’re not cutting it. Holmes is a jerk but that’s no excuse for throwing inaccurately to him and others. We’re bringing someone in to light a fire under you, anyone from Peyton to Jason (Campbell), and if you don’t show a major growth spurt, you’re gone. No more coddling, no more dumbed-down playbook, no more excuses.” That’s my fantasy, anyway.

  100. By AK_Jet on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Frank and scjoe- Thank god their is some voices of reason on our QB situation. I love how the Sanchez supporters point to how he “led” us to two AFC championship appearances, I mean seriously, it wasn’t our top 5 defense it was our high powered offense:) Some people have really lowered their standards when it come’s to the QB position but yet call for Rex’s head when we’ve had a top 5 defense 3 years in a row. And let’s not forget the first year Shonne Greene was the only offense we had in the playoffs, and when he went out with a rib injury so did our hopes of going to a superbowl, but other than us not even getting a first down after that, mark played a pretty good game, I mean he didn’t throw 6 interceptions:)

  101. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Some days I really don’t envy the guy who has to write the titles for these videos. “Continuity Has Been Key for Jets Scouts”?!?!?! Continuity with regard to what, brilliant picks like Gholston, Ainge (how did we not know of an addiction problem he had SINCE HE WAS 12?), Sanchez, Ducasse, and K Ellis? I don’t doubt that it’s possible for the last 3 to work out as Jets, but the number of guys we pick high up who disappoint or are never heard from again is pretty alarming. And I count myself as one of the optimists for betting on Wilson, McKnight, Kerley, and Slauson to work out and maybe become great players. When is Clinkscales gonna take the Rams job and get out of here already? It seems clear we need better than him, Mr T, and Bradway.

  102. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    From a piece on the NFL site about TE’s:Antonio Gates said he has definitely noticed more challenging coverages since he first entered the league, mostly because teams are looking to shape their roster with bigger S’s by selecting them much earlier in the draft. He pointed toward Chiefs S Eric Berry, selected fifth overall in 2010, as a prime example. “Those guys are running 4.4 or high 4.3s at SS now,” Gates said. “They’re trying to find the bigger, stronger, faster safeties. With the TE’s in this league now being bigger and just as sure-handed as receivers, things might change accordingly.” MY question is, if our HC is such a D genius, how come HE hasn’t “changed accordingly” at S, especially given what we face twice a yr when we play NE?

  103. By Tom Spicer on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, “When you trade up to #5 for a QB, there shouldn’t be 3yrs of suspense as to whether he’s ever going to grasp the fundamentals of the position…” In Marks 3rd year he played better than Eli, Cutler, Romo & Big Ben. 1 What is your excuse about that? 2 If he is so bad why did he out perform all of them? 3 Do you know in these seasons when they played worse the Mark Ben & Eli won Super Bowls?

  104. By Tom Spicer on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, ” Brady doesn’t throw his usual 4 TDs to Gronk” Brady throws 4 TDS a game to Gronk. Really take your meds cause half the stuff you are writing now a days is JUST CRAZY!

  105. By Bennett on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Just read that Sanchez is # 2 in interceptions and # 2 in total turnoovers in his first 3 seasons. First WHO THE HECK IS # 1 ? and what does the ” he’s not so bad crowd ” have to say about that little tidbit. This kid has interception rate of about 1 per game, and is in that elite, rare class of QB that can throw 4 in one game. Yeah I want him as my QB !!!

  106. By Tom Spicer on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    AK_Jet, You have selective memory in Marks rookie year. In the playoffs 1st game he completed 80% of his passes & had a 139 rating vs the Bengals. He would have had 86% completion percentage & like a 150 rating if Braylon did not drop a bomb for a TD that hit him in the chest. VS Colts 93 rating, 257 yards & 2 TDS. As a team we rushed for 82 yards. In 2 out of the 3 playoff games that year MARK WAS OUR O!

  107. By Tom Spicer on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Year 2 VS Pats rating 127, 64% completion percentage 3 TDS & ZERO picks. VS Pitt 102 rating, 60% completion percentage, 2 TDS & ZERO picks. In these same 2 games Greene had 52 & 76 yards. Again in 2 out of 3 playoff games MARK WAS OUR O!

  108. By uncle joe on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Mr 64, you are going off on the deep end!!! Now You say the number of high draft picks that don’t work out for us is alarming but you only named two that were actually high in Gholston(and you were probably screaming to draft him back then) and Sanchez. Why don’t you take a look at NE’s draft track record. Or why don’t you just root for a different team before you give yourself an ulcer or something,I’m worried for you.

  109. By uncle joe on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, this Jets Radar is worse than the Jets Locker Room!

  110. By wayne on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    64, Berry didn’t help Chiefs anymore than he would have helped Jets. Gronk didn’t get all them yrds just against the Jets. Pats had wicked bad secondary this year. Giants played poorly back there until the end. What picked up for both these teams? Dline play. If player is a Berry or Peterson, their talent demands that you draft them if the oppty is there, but it they’re even pass rusher gets picked 9 1/2 out of 10. Do they need help back there? Hell yeah, but they better improve the pass rush and they better improve their ability to run the ball and protect their passer or you’re going to get your wish sooner than later.

  111. By robertpapalia on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Well one thing is certain. If Ryan doesn`t make the necessary changes with this team HE WILL BE OUTTA HERE. Once the losing starts, Woody will make the necessary changes. And that might mean Tannenbaum too.

  112. By uncle joe on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Look,is Sanchez great? No, but he’s ours and I just feel he needs to have alot more help than what he’s getting from the other 10 players around him and some quiet continuity at the WR spot,oh and a NORMAL sized TE. I do like Keller but not as your primary TE. Eli is in his EIGHTH season and is just now a top 10 QB. Lets face it,the last Giants SuperBowl,that last drive there were about 4 dropped Ints. Great QBs don’t grow on trees and they all need time. I didn’t want him when they drafted him but he’s ours now. Just can’t see starting all over again. I do feel like under the perfect conditions he can be a very good QB for us.Upgrade around him.

  113. By uncle joe on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    That said,until Monday Morning I’m a HUGE Patriots fan. I like Eli and Coughlin but,for the rest of the team and pretty much all their fans who during their many accomplishments still can’t stop themselves from rubbing it in our faces,I just can’t sit through the next four years of hearing them abuse us. At least we can redeam ourselves at least twice a year against the Patriots and unless you go to Boston who really runs into Patriot fans around here anyway. I think all along our biggest rival is the Giants.

  114. By uncle joe on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Go Brady, you and Bill get this next ring and then discuss retirement.Go very far away,back to the Planet you came from.

  115. By uncle joe on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    We didn’t wanna go to Indy anyway. We have our eyes focused on NY 2014!!! Just imagine,,,#1 seed homefield throughout the Playoffs and then win the SuperBowl in JETLIFE Stadium…..just saying.

  116. By IRA on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Hate that Goodell has added more Thursday Night games to the schedule. I think its not a good thing for teams and more important the players health to have to play 2 games in a matter of 5 days. Once again its all about the money. Greed contiunes to drive the NFL. Its just never enough. Someday this will back fire and they will start to lose interest sand money.

  117. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Mangold, Rex, Woody, Mike T, Keller and Tony Richardson all have come out to defened Sanchez. But the person I am expecting to come out and defened himself is nowhere to be seen or heard…why is that? Yup…that’s our QB for NYJ…a leader…and I am not the only one to question his whereabouts either..

  118. By scjoe on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Just as I expected, except for DKM no credible response to my comments/questions re: Mark Sanchez and what the supporters see that intrigue them so much to constantly “bash” those who do not support him. Surely there is something all the rest of us are not seeing in his game. Please tell me what it is. I am a pretty stand up guy, a guy who will stand corrected when need be. Give me a reason and if in my heart I agree with you, and if I feel you are right, I will stand corrected. Any takers?

  119. By scjoe on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, thanks for the reply. First of all, I don’t remember calling anyone delusional. If you are a MS supporter so be it, if you are not, so be it. All I asked for was anyone’s reasons as to why they are so optimistic about his future. Let me ask you this question. If Mark Sanchez were a 6th rd pick, like McElroy was,as opposed to the #5 overall, do you really believe Rex and the FO would have gone this long with him? If you answer yes you are naive, if you answer no that tells you all you need to know.MS is the beneficiary of the politics of this game. That is not a winning formula for the NY Jets.

  120. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, when folks can’t tell I’m joking (or only slightly exaggerating) about Brady and Gronk, I know they’re fanatics. It’s also days like today when I think you don’t actually watch football, just read stats, with your constant talk of how Sanchez “played better” than guys. uncle joe, I’m hardly the only guy on this site who thinks we have draft problems and like I said, I’ll hang in with certain guys where I see potential when others don’t — and no, I never liked Gholston. wayne, berry had a great rookie yr then got hurt this yr and ANTONIO GATES’ pt, not mine, was teams (except us) are looking for that size and strength at S. And uncle joe, life is all about starting over, day after day, and with bigger problems than MS, so grow up.

  121. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Totally agree on Thursday night games and Goodell in general, Ira.

  122. By GaryC on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Uncle joe must read my posts, he states emphatically what I have mentioned many times,thus he is a wise man.Go Pats,who needs to listen to Francesca expound on the giants giving to the jets again.Also with Keller, he is the same size of Aaron Hernandez,the jets will need cumberland to come back and have a big year so him and Keller can be our double tightend set,of course we missed out on Zach Miller,our crackerjack front office had other visions in their mind like Plastico,Mason and holmes triumpheret.that one really worked out,Right Jet Fan Tom,but at least you admitted that threesome was a big mistake, just like the Clowney melodrama.

  123. By Jimmer on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    There are some long time postees spewing near hate. 8-8 simply means average. Our draft pick # means we’re actually dead center. I think the cockiness will be dealt with on all levels. If Rex makes a flat out prediction for the coming season beyond, “Our goal is to win a S.B.” I might throw my hands up.
    We need to draft better, and stop trading up, wasting picks. We may be the only team that has a middle class in the minority. We have too many overpaid guys, and fill the ranks with those we can get for the minimum. Sorry, but it’s been this way for a few years now. Keller will be gone after this year as well, how can we overpay him as well?

  124. By GaryC on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    At least if Goodell is thinking about moving some games to south america,Cruz will feel at home doing the samba.this should really be interesting, when soccer players get touched easily they go down like they were being hit by an nfl player,now they will see the real thing.

  125. By Jimmer on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    2012 fixes that need to be made.
    1. Protect the QB. By my count, BM was the best pass protector we had. And 2 yrs ago I personally ripped him as a turnstyle. My bad.
    2. Cover a TE, any TE! We’ve had a tendency of making average TE’s look all pro. It’s a combination of the scheme as well as talent. NE will make us look the fool if we can’t cover their 2 TE’s. This is an absolute must.
    3. The pass rush. When Jenks played, he was doubled at the minimum, often tripled. We have no DL that scare anyone. Our LB’s are are average at best as pass rushers.
    4. Versatility. If the Rex defense is going to work, we cannot substitute on every down. When we’re in a no huddle defense, we’re in trouble.

  126. By Frank on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer again with garbage stats!!!!!!!!! Greene ran us to and through the AFC Championship gave vs Indy and when he went down in the second half Sanchize-Not couldn’t hold the lead and carry the O!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Last year Sanchize-Not was behind 25-0 at the half again like all the rest of his stats they occur when the team is out of it and the opposing D goes prevent. There is not a single game vs. a winning team or playoff game where you can say wow the kid carried the team. NEVER it has not Happened!!!!!!!!!!!
    Huge accuracy issues, no pocket presence, no situational awareness, can’t read a defense to save his life, no timing pattern passes, check downs and line calls are suspect. I think Shotty did wonders with him this year

  127. By Bennett on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Anyone that watched Sanchez in the final Fish gane and still thinks he is a good Quaterback has a extreme problem facing reality. I want hiim out of this town and I want him out now. Agree about the thursday night games it’s o.k for the west coast but I got to get up 4;30 am Friday morning.

  128. By GaryC on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fan Tom, I have visions of your favorite player Danny Woodhead being this years Timmy Smith, the giants being so preoccupied with Brady and the receivers can open it up for Woodhead draws and screens,SUPER BOWL MVP, DANNY WOODHEAD.

  129. By patty on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    #1 Whitney Mercilus who is 6’4′ 265 4.68 forty for Pass Rushing
    #2 Tommy Streeter 6’4 215 4.4 forty new Wide receiver
    #3, Andrew Szczerba 6’5 267 4.7 forty new TE
    #4 Darrell Scott 6’1 240 4.4 forty running back
    Patrick Turner is new Wide Receiver to replace Burress
    Keller is the new slot receiver
    Hayden Smith 6/7 270 lbs 4.7 forty for our other TE
    Bring in former Jets Free Agent Mckenzie to replace Hunter
    Greg McElroy for QB competition

  130. By scjoe on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    Wouldn’t this scenario be one for the ages? Imagine the Jets signing FA WRs Meachem and Colston off the NO roster (both are UFAs) and stick with MS as their QB. Now, we all know how prolific these WRs were in the NO offense run by Drew Brees. Wouldn’t it be the ultimate measuring stick to see how they would fare in the NY Jets offense run by Mark Sanchez? I would give my right thumb for that scenario to come to fruition.

  131. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    And by the way, uncle joe, “under the perfect conditions [Sanchez] can be a very good QB for us” — WOW! Is THAT your approach to goals, “Under the perfect conditions this marriage could work out,” “Under the perfect conditions this business could be profitable”? When have you EVER gotten the perfect conditions for ANYTHING? And then you don’t even say “under the perfect conditions Sanchez could be elite”! Look, I don’t want to make this too personal but if you’re gonna snipe at me, I’ll say this: Your whole outlook seems to spell big-time L-O-S-E-R! And if we’ve got that many Jets fans with a similar outlook, I understand the guy who told me the Jets shouldn’t have their names on the backs of their jerseys but instead the word LOSERS!

  132. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 3, 2012 | Reply

    What’s more, uncle joe, how can you possibly be so clueless about the morality and fairness — or rather, the lack of those things — implied by a demand that THE JETS be PERFECT so SANCHEZ can be VERY GOOD?! Do you really WATCH this team? Didn’t you understand what Revis meant last summer when he said how the team does will depend on MS? Don’t you understand that what started the trouble this yr among the WRs was a HC who kept calling “Mark” the QB of the next 10 yrs when he couldn’t even lead a WR on a 5-yd pass over the middle with perfect protection? And why do you want to perpetuate the “coddling” of MS that Jenkins, Woody, and LT have decried, codding for which your post is the “perfect” poster child? And I’M going off the deep end?!

  133. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Yup, GaryC, I wanted to keep Holmes, Edwards, and J-Co but Ira told us the Jets wouldn’t spend that kind of money on WRs. Since Sunday’s game is largely about WRs, I hope he’s learned something. So yeah, SH/Plax/Mason was a bit of a Hail Mary pass on Mr T’s part, creative but perhaps not credible, and I hope HE’S learned something about getting players cheap and praying they’ll play expensive. And so it all comes down to my usual preference but just building a DAL/PIT/NE-style dynasty thru the draft, which you tell me will never happen in Florham Park. Speaking of what’ll never happen, Plax (who a day after refusing to talk about Sanchez now says he’ll get better) predicts 5-6 more elite yrs for Peyton — that 2nd claim is REALLY out there!

  134. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    And by the way, GaryC, just for the record I’m not so thrilled with Woodhead as a situational RB, it’s that I’m so NOT thrilled with the way Rex handled his time on the Jets and what that and other weird moves (Clowney, Cook, and the endless hype of “Mark,” of course) say about Rex’s grip on the roster…and maybe reality… (I still can’t imagine how he’s ever going to live down actually saying to Jacobs on the field after the Giant game, “When we win the Super Bowl…”)

  135. By Tom Spicer on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, Greene last year in the playoffs vs Colts 72 yards, vs Pats 76 yards & vs Pit 52 yards & he was hurt in NONE of these games. Mark Sanchez & the passing game carried us thru the playoffs.

  136. By Tom Spicer on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    All of the same GARBAGE I hear from you guys is the same GARBAGE I used to hear about Eli. “Huge accuracy issues, no pocket presence, no situational awareness, can’t read a defense to save his life, does not step into his throws, is scared in the pocket & we dont like his aw shucks reaction when he throws a pick. Eli & Mark are similar in that Eli is from the south & Mark is from So Cal they are laid back it is different lifestyle out there they are not from the north east. Just because a person is not vocal it does not mean they can not be good.

  137. By GaryC on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, you have as much chance of colston,meacham and holmes fitting under the salary cap,as you do Holmes selecting Sanchez as his best man at his wedding.

  138. By Tom Spicer on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    To address some of those comments. 1 How does a guy have 32 THATS RIGHT 32 TDS in 1 year & not know how to read a defense. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THATS HOW. THIS IS THE NFL you can do that in high school & you can do that in college if your team is WAY BETTER than the other team but you can not do that in the NFL. 2 No pocket presence show me a guy who does not get sacked 2 1/2 times a game & is constantly under pressure & I will show you a guy with pocket presence. Any Jet fan that can not say that Mark was under CONSTANT pressure all year I have to ask what games are you watching? He was sacked 40 TIMES 40! That is a 50% increase over his career high 1 word TERRIBLE! 3 No timing pattern passes how many of these did he have last year to

  139. By Tom Spicer on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Braylon & Holmes. Do I have to start naming them? I can but I dont have all day for arguments sake LETS JUST SAY YOU ARE WRONG!

  140. By Frank on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe and all the others who keep saying we are gonna go out and get top FA’s….I hate to break it to ya’ll but this team is over the cap with no room to go after anyone too many guaranteed contracts make it impossible for any significant salary dump. We have more holes than a new block of swiss cheese areas that weren’t addressed the last few years in the draft are coming home to roost! I said it several weeks ago there is nothing to build on this year and this team is on the verge of a major rebuilding.

  141. By Frank on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    64 forget it…all these Sanchize-Not apologists are the same crew who backed Mangini until the end. Anyone who really understands the game and watches the entire field not just the ball can see clearly how awful Sanchize-Not is. He constantly misses the open reciever in his reads. 2010 in particular I lost count how many times B Edwards was wide open streaking down the sideline and Sanchize-Not never saw him and on the few occassions he did threw the ball 10 yards short or 3 yards wide or at his feet,etc. Like I said before he has played well in spurts and has had a few moments but so does every other average NFL QB. Where I disagree is I want nothing to do with Campbell, Orton or any others you mentioned. Let McElroy compete for the job

  142. By GaryC on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Jet fan tom, the super bowl could be more about the tightends, gronkowski and hernandez more then the giant wideouts,I could really see belichek going back to the way the giants out physicalled the buffalo wideouts and trying that with the giants this year,hitting them at every turn.

  143. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks for your clear-eyed evaluation of Sanchez, Frank. Spicer keeps doing the same thing, looking at stats — much of which were compiled in garbage time, as you say — and refusing to assess how the games were played or, in MS’s case quite often, lost. As for Campbell or Orton, I’m not that high on them, of course, it’s just that I know after watching them start for 3 games everybody on this site but Spice would be saying, “What in the world were we doing with a QB who throws the same picks over and over, can’t see the field, makes his biggest mistakes in the most crucial moments?,” etc. Certainly I’d rather see McElroy compete successfully for the job but he’s pretty green. Anyway, I agree this is mostly just talk pre-rebuilding.

  144. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    But I’ll hand it to you, Spice, pulling out some wacky theory of regional lifestyles to excuse Sanchez’s awful play is worthy of some kind of science fiction prize…although saying the number of TDs a QB has proves good pocket presence, especially when the throwing number isn’t much compared to those of the real elite QBS of the league, is a pretty good runner-up as far as contrivance goes. Hey, how about Slauson’s ability to read the D on that TD of his? And MS never had that many “timing passes” with Holmes and Braylon the yr before, what he had much more of were lousy throws that SH and BE made tremendous catches on to bail him out. Oh, I forgot, you don’t actually watch the games, so you don’t know where MS actually puts the ball.

  145. By scjoe on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC,/Frank just making a point, and a good one at that. I don’t expect the Jets to go out and sign Meachem and Colston, don’t either of you see where I was going with that? As for the salary cap? I have said it before and I will say it again, it can change dramatically in a matter of hours, and it will. In a perfect world it would start with Sanchez and Holmes.

  146. By scjoe on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, do you really, truly and honestly believe that many of those sacks could have been avoided by our QB? Do you think that if it were Peyton back there with the exact same supporting cast there would not have been half that total. Do you remember the late reg season game a couple of years ago vs the Colts when they rested their players? Do you remember the very first play when Painter came in for Peyton? I will refresh your memory, it was a strip sack that resulted in a Jet TD. Do you still believe the QB don’t matter or make a difference? Think Peyton would have taken that sack? The ball would have been out, complete or incomplete, but no sack.

  147. By Tom Spicer on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, You have selective reading & you turn what I say into what you want. If I qoute you I put EXACTLY what you say. As a matter of fact I copy & paste it. What I said was they are not firery vocal guys because where they are from. I did not say anything about there play but you go ahead & keep making things up you are good at that.

  148. By Tom Spicer on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, “although saying the number of TDs a QB has proves good pocket presence, especially when the throwing number isn’t much compared to those of the real elite QBS of the league” I never said the number of TDS you throw proves good pocket presence YOU DID! Also his throwing number is not much compared to those elite QBS of the league REALLY? So I will magically subtract 6 TDS from Mark cause you do not like how they were scored. Meanwhile 5 out of 6 of them were QBS draws where the guy scrambled for a TD most of the time getting hit as he crossed the goal line. The kid shows heart were most QBS would slide feet first scared to get hit. You can not disount his ability to scramble it is a weapon.

  149. By Tom Spicer on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, “And MS never had that many “timing passes” with Holmes and Braylon the yr before, what he had much more of were lousy throws that SH and BE made tremendous catches on to bail him out.” Are you serious with this one really cause if you are you either need medication or you need a new perscription. If you wan I can go to you tube & start naming plays there are tons of them?

  150. By Tom Spicer on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, Lastly TDS 4 QBS in the ENTIRE NFL had more than TDS than Mark last year Brady, Stafford, Rodgers & Brees. THAT is with a bad O LINE & 1 legitamate WR! Even if you take away his 6 rushing TDS MAGICALLY cause you do not like how they were scored. 8 QBS had more TDS than him. Do you know what you are talking about? REALLY! Look into something before you make blatantly WRONG statements. Rivers who you have gone on record & said was a ELITE QB had 1 more passing than him. Eli who is ELITE had 3 more passing than him. He had more passing TDS than Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, Newton, Dalton, Flacco, Hasselbeck, Vick & basically the rest of the league.

  151. By Tom Spicer on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, If one of the greatest QBS ever to play in the NFL was back there the total would have been cut in half yes. I know the QBs matter & make a significant difference I am not stupid. The problem is they dont grow on trees. We cant go to the corner store & pick up one of these guys. There are probably 9 guys on the planet that are ELITE QBS 1 Peyton 2 Eli 3 Brady 4 Rodgers 5 Brees 6 Stafford 7 Romo 8 Big Ben 9 Rivers. The point is unless we are getting one of these guys we are better off staying with the 24 year old kid we got & seeing what he becomes. He is not even close to his peak at this age.

  152. By scjoe on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, once again, you make some valid points and I agree with some of them. The one I can’t agree with however, at least not yet, is that MS has not yet reached his peak. That one I am not sure about because after all was said and done MS regressed this year. When the team needed him the most, and they were still in the hunt, he fizzled out down the stretch.I know you are as avid a fan as I am, and to watch the season go down the tube down the stretch and knowing the QB couldn’t carry the team when he was needed most, was just to much for me to handle. To me, that was the knockout punch for MS.

  153. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Randy doesn’t seem to have liked my post expressing what I think of your incredibly fanatical, distorted remarks on Sanchez, my posts and those of others, the current state of the Jets, and other subjects, Spicer. So since I won’t be posting again for awhile and don’t intend to waste much more time on you, let me just say that a comprehensive critique of your ignorance, much less your fanaticism, on the subject of this team and pro football in general would fill a book that nobody’s paying me to write, so I have no interest in writing it. When you figure out how you’ve managed to have season’s seat for 35 yrs without understanding the yds/p att stat, though, that would amuse me.

  154. By Tom Spicer on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I pray that you are wrong cause the Jets hopes for the next 2 years hang on him doing well. Lets say he flops next year we have to start all over & get a new rookie QB. More than likely the rookie who we get will struggle for the most part guys dont come out of college & play like Newton & Dalton. So we will be bad for another 2 years at least.

  155. By Tom Spicer on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, I get ripped constantly on this site & I dont let it bother me & you should not either. Ultimately we all want the same thing for the Jets to WIN we are all passionate fans who sometimes get to fired up & post some things that we should not if I affended you in any way I apologize.

  156. By westcoastJET28 on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    All these stats and comparisons are getting us no where. MS can have 10,000 passing yards, 100 passing tds and 15 rushing tds but, none of that matters if he can’t win a SB.

  157. By scjoe on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, my complements on your three posts above, especially the one re:64. If you are out there 64 get yourself back in here. As for a complete Sanchez flop Tom? If getting another rookie in here is where this all leads to I am on board with that. It has been 43 miserable years now, another one or two really wouldn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. BUT! There needs to be progress made from one year to the next, significant progress! If that don’t happen we are right back up the creek without a paddle once again. What transpires from here, is on Mr T much more then on Rex. I just feel that starting more then 60 NFL games gives you a pretty good indication of where you are.

  158. By Bill on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Jets need better all around right tackle, number 1. Put Hunter at guard or back-up lineman. Hunter was exposed in the Steeler AFC Champ. game and his pass blocking problems on the outside continued throughout last season. #2, upgrade somehow at safty and DE/OLB. #3 Give Sanchez one more year. #4, find competant RB to share load with Green and McNight. Re-sign B. Edwards at WR to replace Plax.. Bottom line: I think Sanchez can be good if he has better pass blocking. Concentrate on shoring up pass protection.

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