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Martin, Parcells HOF Candidacies Being Debated Now

Posted by Randy Lange on February 4, 2012 – 10:40 am

It’s been a tough few days walking through and working in Indianapolis. All teams are represented at the NFL’s annual Super Bowl convention, but the two main teams, the Giants and Patriots, are front and center of course.

And Jets green is quite muted. Head coach Rex Ryan made an appearance along with uber-fan Adam Sandler as the two promoted the movie “That’s My Boy” that Sandler stars in and Rex appears in as a lawyer and Patriots fan, due out in June. Sandler was even seen in a Jets T-shirt on “NBC Sportstalk” grumbling over the fact that his chosen team didn’t make the Indy scene. Dustin Keller, D’Brickashaw Ferguson, Plaxico Burress and Tony Richardson popped up around town. A few fans in Jets garb can be seen forlornly passing along Market, Meridian and Capitol streets.

But tonight could be a good night for the Jets, at least from a historical perspective. This is the night that Curtis Martin and Bill Parcells could be selected for induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Martin is one of the best, most consistent running backs the game has ever known. His many achievements, topped by his fourth-best NFL total of 14,101 rushing yards, lead us to that conclusion. Parcells will always be known as a Giant but his four-year stop with the Jets, three as their head coach, was pivotal in lifting the franchise up from its mid-Nineties doldrums.

Their odds look good even though, just as in the game on the field, there are no guarantees in “The Room.” That’s where Martin’s and Parcells’ fates for this year are being decided right now. The 44 Selection Committee members are currently debating the pluses and minuses of each of the 15 modern-era finalists (plus two seniors committee candidates) in a meeting room at the J.W. Marriott Hotel, the media center for Super Bowl XLVI.

Those 15 modern-era finalists will be trimmed to 10, then to five. Then each member of the selection committee votes yes or no for each of the five. A minimum of 80 percent of the vote gets a finalist selected for induction into the Class of 2012.

The process will conclude sometime this afternoon. Then the new class of from four to seven enshrinees will be unveiled on NFL Network’s special show, “Road to Canton: Pro Football Hall of Fame: Class of 2012,” beginning at 5:30 p.m. ET.

Neither Martin nor Parcells is expected to be in Indianapolis tonight, but if selected, both are expected to fly into town for presentation in the events before the opening kickoff of SBXLVI a little after 6:30 tomorrow night.

We’ll be there to give you the news tonight from Indianapolis. And if Curtis and Bill are selected, we’ll bring you a little of their thoughts and reactions behind the scenes at the Super Bowl venue.

And if one or both are chosen and then if the Jets are selected by the NFL to be one of the teams to play in this year’s Hall of Fame Game (not a certainty, although the Jets are due to play in the game since their last appearance came in 1992), that would make for a great Hall of Fame weekend on  Aug. 4-5 in Canton, Ohio, not to mention a great way for the Jets to kick off their 2012 season.


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75 Responses to “Martin, Parcells HOF Candidacies Being Debated Now”

  1. By carl on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Whats to debate? 1st class all the way!!! My favorite Jet all time ! The only Jersey that I were proud!!! Go Curtis!!!!

  2. By GaryC on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    randy,are you guys still in Indy and did you enjoy the mosh pit last night a.k.a.monument circle and have you had a chance to see the bud light hotel,a.k.a. the hampton Inn.

  3. By MiIKE on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Kind of ironic that Parcells, who in my mind is the greatest football mind ever and a major contributor to Bill Belichick’s success is about to be put into the hall of fame along with his and my favourite Jet ever Curtis Martin. Ironic because Rex Ryan has publicly stated that he thinks Belichick might be the greatest coach ever. Ironic cause Bill and Ryan’s coaching styles could not be any more different. I love what Ryan has brought in defensively but if I knew what would happen three years later I would of passed on Ryan and brought in another prodigy of Parcells. Jets 2013 head coach Tony Sparano.

  4. By Bennett on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer No doubt Sanchez did not have the protection I don’t think anyone would argue that point. However Sanchez moved into a lot of sacks and does not have the skills for quick reads so that he is able to release and avoid them’ Anyone can see who cares to that he plays scared. A lot of QB’s get pounded and make plays look at the pounding Eli took by the Niners, and he still made the plays He was under constant unrelenting pressure all game long and he played like the pro he is. Sanchez is #2 in interceptions in the past 3 years and #2 in total turnovers Stop making excuses for him he is just not that good and probably never will get better he would rather pout than act like a man

  5. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    An all-time low in Jets history, crowing about figures from the past like Martin, Parcells, and, of all things, Rex’s appearance in an Adam Sandler movie on the day before the Giants and the Pats play in the Super Bowl, though that last cements Rex’s role in the NFL as a clown rather than a coach, which can only support the arguments that some of us have been making against him. And some of you wonder why some of us are up for rebuilding this team from the ground up on every level! The “trimming” I wanna see starts with Mr T and Rex and extends to about half of the roster, then we might start getting somewhere. I’ve noticed sportswriters refer to the Jets now as one of the biggest laughingstock franchises in not just the NFL but pro sports.

  6. By IRA on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    I think both will get in. Thye both deserve it and it would be a great trip to mkae especially if the Jets are playing in the HOF Game. While you don’t want to add another meaningless game i have a feeling the Jets will be playing there this summer. Wonder if Cortland or Syracuse have flights to Akron ?
    GO JETS!!!!

  7. By Bennett on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez last season had 26 turnovers including. 8 lost fumbles that resulted in 126 points scored the most in the NFL. He had 9 turnovers in the last three games all of which were important and all lost. .One team source said ” he was looking at the rush and not the recievers ” another said ” he doesn.t have the mental toughness ” and still another ‘ looks defeated before he takes the field” also said ” lazy and content “and “treated as a baby” This is not sports writers this is his teamates saying this to sports writers.

  8. By walt on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Just read the other day that dan marino in his second year with the miami dolphins passed for over 5000 yards and 48 touchdowns.The article also stated that his receivers were not exactly hall of fame types.I am not saying that anyone should suggest that Sanchez could perform like Marino. Peyton manning and Marino are on a level all their own.I am just saying you could use it as a yardstick in judging what we have.In any case I often wonder how good the Jets are at developing talent.For example I do not see any reason why the jets player Mulligan should not be at least as good as say the Giants Ballard.

  9. By Tom Spicer on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets cap situation is not as bad as guys say it is. The latest salary cap information I can find is a Florio post from November 20. It has the Jets at $7.9 million under the cap. There were no real big ticket moves so the team probably ended the season somewhere around this figure. This is significant because the new CBA says teams can carry over extra cap space into the next year. This is why I tried to shy away from criticism the Jets are cheap for keeping this extra space during the year instead of spending it. It is possible the team wanted to carry this space over.

  10. By Tom Spicer on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    The best reference for discussing the Jets’ salary cap position is the excellent NYJetsCap.com. No other place, mainstream media or otherwise, is as reliable. Jason, who runs it, does a better job navigating the complexity of the salary cap than anybody. According to the team page for 2012, the Jets have a $121.4 million cap number for their top 51 players and $1.7 million in dead money. This makes it roughly $123.1 million. Reports indicate the salary cap will be around the same $120 million figure it is with possibly a slight increase. Let’s say there is a slight increase to $123 million. So we’ll say their current commitments put them right at the cap. Then you add the $7.9 million credit.

  11. By Tom Spicer on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    If we make these 3 cuts 1 Wayne Hunter we would save $2,500,000 against the cap. 2 Eric Smith we would save $2,050,000 against the cap 3 Mike Devito we would save $3,110,000 against the cap & the best part about all 3 of these would be the cuts would mean ZERO $0 dead money against the cap for the Jets. These are no brainers. These 3 players plus the $7.9 MIL credit is $15,560,000 we could spend on free agents.

  12. By Bennett on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    MORE SANCHEZ STATS FOR THE STATS GUY: : Sanchez holds the NFL record for the worst single game QB rating in history. This was the famous Ravens game of 2011 were he had 4 turnovers 3 of which resulted in touchdowns,and an 11-35 completion ratio.for just over 100 yards. In that single game he was the worst Quarterback EVER SEEN IN PRO FOOTBALL. In 2010 he had they 3rd worst completion rating and the 5th worst QB rating in the entire league only because we won was this almost ignored. No more, we lost, the pampered free ride is over either produce or get him out of this town

  13. By Tom Spicer on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Hunter needs to be replaced RIGHT AWAY. Devito is a good run stopper but brings ZERO pass rush to the table. Marcus Dixon is the best pass rusher out of our down lineman I say start him on the line with Pouha & Wilkerson & we we have 3 guys who can rush the passer a little on our D line. Pititoua can back up both DE spots & Ellis is the back up NT. Would anyone really miss Eric Smith if he was let go?

  14. By Tom Spicer on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    I know guys are going to say well what about our free agents. They are as follows. Bryan Thomas, Sione Pouha, Jim Leonhard, LaDainian Tomlinson, Robert Turner, Kevin O’Connell, Mark Brunell, Plaxico Burress, Nick Folk, Brodney Pool & Donald Strickland. The only guy they have to bring back is Pouha everyone else on this list CAN WALK. Maybe Turner if he can play right tackle or put him at guard & move Slauson to tackle I dont know but you get the point. Thomas everyone knows we need a pass rushing OLB. Leonhard everyone knows we need a saftey. LT it is time for Mcknight to step up & take LT’S role. Anyone else on the list PLEASE I am sure you will all be glad that they are gone.

  15. By wayne on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Only thing that delayed Parcells induction was his flip flopping. I’m retiring, maybe not. And as I said before, the NFL loves fabricating drama for the masses, so he and Mr. Martin will go in together. Anybody got an extra hanky? As for the game, Mr. Bundchen will put up points, but not enough to cover that awful defense. BigAnts are battle tested leading up to this game, from the Jet game on. Patsies gave up 20(3) pts and 300yds to Flacco. Bad sign for them. Expecting Gs to go hunting for Tommy boy once more.Biggest problem for NE, no more hidden cameras. Predicted BigAnts win in 2007, predicted repeat this year during season. Once more with feeling BigAnts 31, Patsies 18…Sit back and enjoy the parade GaryC, it’s NY.

  16. By GaryC on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, if giants win you enjoy the parade and when people ask you how long have you been a giants fan,you can say, all my life.

  17. By Bennett on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    MILKEI….I will repeat this and maybe JET 64 will see it again to. Sparano was such a bad head coach and the team was so bad that the didn’t even wait untile the end of the season but found it necessary to fire him mid-season. If the Jets have a bad record in 2012 it stands to reason the offense will also be bad. Why the heck would they take a failed head coach who just failed as offensive coach and make him the head coach in 2013. Does this really make any kind of sense to you at all ? Are you and 64 the same person or what? I agree with you about Parcells but you do realize that he left Dallas and MIami in a shambles in the long run, besides being a quiter and an ego maniac.

  18. By scjoe on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Walt made a great point about Marino in his second year, but it seems all we read about on this site are those QBs who DID NOT have great numbers their second or third years. That is called “selective research” Why not add in the Marino’s, the Newton’s and the Daltons when making those comparisons to MS?

  19. By Bennett on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    We had a Pepsi truck drive through the locker room… our losing Quartberback in a ridiculous magazine photo shoot… and our losing Head Coach doing a movie… all while the team was falling apart… Man this really bothers me! Concentrate on football first than we might win something than and only than do your dumb little gigs

  20. By scjoe on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, thanks for that analogy on Mark Sanchez in the pocket. I have said it since day one. He is not comfortable in the pocket, and by saying “not comfortable” I am putting it as discreetly as I can. I don’t care what anyone says, and how they came to the conclusion that it is entirely the fault of the O Line for all of those sacks. It has just as much to do with Sanchez pocket presence then anything else. And that is true with all QBs. No one can sit here and tell me that if it were Peyton back there instead of MS you would not have had half those sacks. I am not comparing Sanchez to Peyton, there is no comparison, just making a point.

  21. By Jack on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Martin and Parcells better get in or I think this HOF things is fixs. What better way then both of those guys get in I know that Martin look up to Parcells like a father.

  22. By scjoe on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with your prediction Wayne, I will say 38-24 in favor of that other NY team. Gronkowski will not be as big a factor as people think. A high ankle sprain is not your ordinary sprained ankle and he will not be 100%. Not even sure if he will be at 50%. So look for that other NY team to win big. I don’t know how other Jet fans view this game, but I view a Giant win as the lesser of two evils.

  23. By wayne on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    I WANT A RECOUNT!!!!!!!!……THE TUNA NOT GOING?……SAY IT AIN’T SO!!!!!!!!! CONGRATS TO MR. CURTIS MARTIN. GOOD THINGS DO HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE.

  24. By Bennett on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    MORE LITTLE KNOWN SANCHEZ FACTS Sanchez had 26 TD’s in 2011 (sounds pretty good to me ) so including the extra points thats 182 points however opponents scored 126 points on his turnovers alone so we have a net of 56 points or with the extra points 8 touchdowns in 16 games. If you look at it that way you have a whole different perspective…… don’t you

  25. By Bennett on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer you should havee said Hunter and Muliigan have to be repaced right away.

  26. By SCfromNY on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    A big YES for Martin and Parcells. Martin one of the classiest players ever. The Jets need to make Sanchez a backup. Gholston had his three years and was NOT as pivatol to losing games as Sanchez. The Jets made a mistake and need to admit it. It may be embarassing but less so than trying to present Sanchez as a good QB. Unfortunately hard work in sports will not always lead to success. You need some natural skill.

  27. By walt on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    What is all this critic of Devito.This year he was rated as the number ten defensive end in the NFL despite an injury marred season.Last year he was rated the number one defensive end in the NFL against the run.He may not be much of a pass rusher but that has more to do with the scheme than his ability.The three four should be scrapped.We are paying him a mere pittance compared to what we are paying some other players.Sometimes I wonder if Jet fans know much about football.Do you really think DLs like Devito are that common.If every Jet player had Devitos attitude the Jets would be in the Super Bowl.

  28. By Kevin65fan on Feb 4, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats to you Curtis. You knew what it meant to be a Pro Football Player and also being a Jet. Would love to have you on the staff to teach our current RB’s on what it takes to play in this game…ball security…concentration…and the physical aspect of keeping in shape by working out at all times including in the off season. thank you Curtis for all the years you were here and giving it all. My favorite game was when you tore up the Steeler ‘D’ in the snow at the old Jet Stadium.

  29. By Arte Olde School on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Absolutely! Giants destroy the Patsies by a score of 55-27! Let’s hope this turns out to be a Joe Montana-type demolition. I see Eli and company lighting it up all day! Namath is the biggest mouth ever! Even though he stopped drinking, his alcoholism has taken a toll. As with my father, may he rest in peace, a fellow Gemini, his advanced dementia started a bit prematurely and he doesn’t know what he’s saying. Giants WIN BIG!! Enjoy it for what it is! New England goes down hard!!

  30. By scjoe on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, you are right, nyjetscap.com is where I look and gauge what will be. That is from the source. Some people would rather listen to what Jason LaConfora, and others like him have to say about the Jets cap. A subject they know nothing about. I have said it before, the Jets salary cap can change in a matter of hours. That is not going to be a deterrent to signing free agents. That said, I am not predicting they will go out and make a major splash, but they can and will address needs.

  31. By Tom Spicer on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, Last year when Mark had protection he had 14 total turnovers 13 picks & 1 fumble. If you protect him he will not turn the ball over. I would watch the games & when he would drop back to pass I would say 1 mississippi 2 mississippi 3 mississippi & at that point he would be on the floor or under pressure.

  32. By Tom Spicer on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Also the comment about being lazy is GARBAGE made up probably by Holmes. Woody, MR.T, Rex, LT, Slauson, Mangold, Dixon, Damien Woody, Schotty & even backup NT Howard Green who is now on the Packers came out & said he is the 1st guy in the building & the last 1 to leave.

  33. By Frank on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Absolutely loved Martin and he deserved this accomplishment. He passed the torch to TJ who did a great job replacing Martin it’s too bad that legacy wasn’t passed on to Greene who I think suffers from a lack of leadership in thye backfield.
    Spicer how much money do we save if we trade Sanchize-Not?Agree Pouha needs to be number 1 priority. Hunter for 2.5 is a keeper…Brick had a worst year than hunter 9.5 sacks to 8.5. I think Hunter will do better with a full offseason. The offense suffers through a lack of leadership starting with Sanchize-Not. We also must keep Folk, Turner and Thomas is our second best LB but we can’t break the bank on him. The D dropped off when he went down Leonhard, Smith or Pool one or two will be re-signed.

  34. By Frank on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    As for the game like I said at the beginning or the Playoffs Giants all the way!!!!!
    They are battle tested and have been in playoff mode since the Jets game. The Pats have had an easy road to this game meanwhile the Giants pulled off two HUGE road wins to get here and Eli is the best QB in the NFL right now. Beating the Packers and 49’ers on the road is a huge feat and it will continue in Indy. GO BIG BLUE!!!!!!!!!

  35. By Bennett on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    So lets recap. some Sanchez stats for 2011 and maybe we can all get a clearer picture of what we really have here after 3 years for a franchise QB and # 5 pick – . #2 in interceptions – #2 in total turnovers – #1 in points off turnovers – #1 ( IN HISTORY) single worst game by a QB – overall QB rating was last in division – overall QB rating 30th. Sanchez threw one or more interceptions in 12 of 16 games, he lost 8 fumbles ,and in just 5 games this season he threw 11 interceptions, he had 9 turnovers in the last 3 games of the season all which were lost and we were eliminated from the playoffs

  36. By IRA on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats to Curtis and i think its a shame that Pacells didn’t get in. It would have been very special to see both inducted at the same time.
    My favorite Curtis moment was him running through the snow at the Meadowlands vs Pitt.

  37. By Mike C (fan since '69) on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    This is in response to posts I have seen saying their were a lot of Giants lovers on the site. To quote John McEnroe, “You cannot be serious!” Yeah, it stinks that the team we share a stadium with has been more profitable…but C’mon no real Jets fan can root for our most hated rival to win the big one. Personally, I am hoping that
    Brady has a “Theisman job” put on him…where is Lawrence Taylor when you need him (just kidding…sorta). Also, I hope the NFL has not scripted this Super Bowl. I can see the movie already…team owner saves league from lockout while dealing with family tragedy and his team wins the game. I am sure we owe Mr. Kraft much respect and gratitude, but I hope this game is not giftwrapped. Congrats to C-Martin!!

  38. By MiIKE on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats to Curtis “My Favorite” Martin. Hard to find one of the classiest players ever that happens to be 4th all-time in rushing. I think few outside Jet fans realize how good this guy was. He quietly put together all those 1000 yard seasons and displayed himself as an unselfish leader and a workhorse RB. And if your Bill Parcells favourite player, who happens to judge players on character mostly, that says enough.

  39. By Tom Spicer on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats to Curtis on making the hall. This guy is a class act he was a beast the guy carried multiple Jet teams on his back. Other teams knew we were running the ball & they still could not stop him. I think he would have had the record for the most rushing yards EVER if he did not get hurt. 10 straight seasons with 1,000 yards rushing, 5 time pro bowler, lead the league in rushing congrats Curtis you are MR. JET!

  40. By Matt on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    The JETS didn’t draft but he was an all time free agent pick up and a JET..

  41. By Bennett on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer : Allow me to re-phrase my thoughts so maybe you will get it this time around. With all the good pass protection in 2010 that you so rightly indicate Mr. Sanchez had he alone managed to have the 3rd worst completion % and the 5th worst QB rating IN ALL OF FOOTBALL.. In his 3 grand years with us he has managed to have the 2nd worst interception rate and the 2nd worst total turnover rate IN ALL OF FOOTBALL The man is NUMERO UNO in points scored off his turnovers, do you not get the significance of this particular stat ! Sorry man you can.t make a silk purse out of a sows ear. This kid pretty much stinks however you want to look at it

  42. By MIKE on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Easy Bennett. Never said Sparano would be a great HC, only implying that I feel the direction of the franchise is better served under someone who had previously worked under Parcell’s. Also, Mangini has a tonne to do with the Jets success over the last 3 years simply because they drafted so well while he was around. If they weren’t so gun happy and traded for Favre, Rex Ryan may still be a DC in Baltimore. Just saying that the Jets collapse and off field issues have a lot to do with Rex Ryan;s style and it would’t of happened with a high character guy like Sparano.

  43. By wayne on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Love the “experts” who expect Belichick, with 2 weeks, being able to cook a defense to beat anybody. What the experts forget is that he USE to be able to do that when he was cheating. That was then, this is now…….He’s no genius. Just a cheat. He will remain O since Spygate. His genius is an absolute charade.

  44. By wayne on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, LOL!, that’s cold Jets fan. Cold..

  45. By Mike C (fan since '69) on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    The 1st guy in the building & the last 1 to leave… is also the Janitor! Can’t make his reads quickly… no pocket awareness… lazy is as lazy does.

    Lets give McElroy a real shot… and bring in a Vet who can push our model QB.

  46. By MPC on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Woodhead just scored a TD in the SB! Amazing this guy couldn’t make our team! Oh the pain of watching this. Four years ago I couldn’t even watch it. I see Weatherford is punting nice, Ellis, Digs starts. Just baffles me.
    I was 4 when the Jets won the SB. I pray I will see one in my lifetime!!!
    I am convinced Namath sold his sole to the devil that one!!!

  47. By wayne on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    condolences to GaryC, Tom Bundchen and the Patsies…..Congrats to Steve Weatherford, DJ Ware, Kareem McKenzie……Honorable mentions Woodhead, Ihedigbo and Ellis….The Jets were well represented………….The NY Giants win…………………….Nothing wrong with admiring a great organization……………….THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS ARE STILL OH FOR SPYGATE……

  48. By Russell on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Is anyone besides me sick of watching the Giants win yet another Super Bowl. 5 appearances in the lasr 25 years, 4 wins, 1 loss. Can I please see the Jets win one before I meet my maker. This upcoming season, Rex has to be quiet about his predictions. Until the Jets win another Super Bowl, the New Jersey/ New York area belongs to the Giants. At least Shaun Ellis, James Ihedigbo and Danny Woodhead won’t get rings. Bring on the free agency period.

  49. By NC on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    What an awful day. Two hated teams, the Giants and Patriots in the Super Bowl. The Giants, who play in the same stadium and always crow about the Jets being the “little brother,” winning the game. Just a nightmare, especially for those of us who have been around since Namath. We were really let down by the team, the coaches, and the entire organization this year. How do you feel about those “We’re gonna win the Super Bowl” predictions now, Rex?

  50. By GaryC on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    welker never drops passes against the jets,oh, well,enjoy the parade to the jet fans who are going and remember,this is the third straight time the giants have beaten the patriots,don’t you wish the jets could say that.

  51. By russ on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    get woodhead back..

  52. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 5, 2012 | Reply

    Retro-boring SB, reminiscent of similar ’80s and ’90s games, with neither team playing all that well and the Pats throwing the game away with drops, of all things. But on the brighter side Rex, who taunted Giant fans in his book with “We’re going to be the better team for the next 10 yrs, get used to it,” will now never be taken seriously again by anyone with a brain. Bennett, I don’t say Sparano’s anything close to a good HC, I say he’ll be named interim HC when we go 2-6 and Rex is fired, which is what’ll happen if we don’t make huge changes. As for me, I got too much work to do in 2012 so I won’t be posting as much until the Jets actually DO make huge changes. But for now I’ll leave you all with this: “Mark’s the starter” — yeah, right!

  53. By GaryC on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    the jets are to the giants what the cubs are to the cardinals,a rivalry in name only because the cardinals win world series and the giants win super bowls, maybe in 20 years the cubs and jets will be champs instead of chumps,I guess the Giants didn’t need Plastico to win another super bowl.Chase Blackburn covers tightends better than our Safetys.And for those who say we should of never let Ihedigbo go,the guy can only play special teams,he was beat all game at safety.See Jets, a front four that can rush the passer, and linebackers who can cover receivers, what a novel idea.

  54. By Frank on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah baby!!!!!!! What an epic game both Superbowls between these teams were two of the best all time.
    Memo to Spicer and the Head Bloviator of the NYJ that is WHAT AN ELITE QB LOOKS LIKE!!!!!!!!!!!
    That throw to Manningham was off thew charts AND what a catch. We certainly have the guys who can make the catches we just need a QB who can make the throws. Second Superbowl that Manning outplayed Brady and no doubt Eli is better than his brother. That win and MVP puts him with Bart Starr, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw and Tom Brady he just put himself in the hall of fame. Rex I hope you were watching you could learn something from Coughlin.

  55. By IRA on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats to the Giants. Finally i can put this season behind me now and move on and only hope someday we Jets fans can enjoy a night like the Giants didi last night.

  56. By Tom Spicer on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, So 126 points were scored off of Marks turnovers? I am sorry I find that hard to believe. That is 18 TDS so a combined total of 18 of his turnovers were returned for TDS. The more I think about that the more I am sure that is not possible. That is more than 1 TD per game that would have had to have been either picked & returned for a TD or a fumble picked up & returned for a TD. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE!

  57. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Well..Rex I hope you watched the Superbowl. I Hope you watched what a Team is supposed to look like. Forget this ground and pound stuff. The Giants showed you what this leauge is about.. BALANCE!!! they can beat u with the run game or the pass. At all starts up front with the “D” improve the front seven! I hope you stop talking smack because you don’t have the players to back it up. Steelers..Ravens..and the 49ers have the defense to talk smack…they have the players with the edge to punch someone in the mouth. We need leadership…we need speed on the O and the D. And by-the-way…where’s GQ? everyone else has come out and defended him except GQ..not a good sign of leadership there…just sayin..

  58. By Frank on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    64 boring Superbowl???????? come on man thats sour grapes dude. The game was terrific. Not playing well? This was an extremely physical and well fought game. I was actually surprised at how physical the Pats were playing more than a few Giants got hurt and took a beating. In the end Eli made more plays than Brady who although threw a bad pass…Welker still should have caught it. Then Eli…Mr. Elite….threads a needle with an unbelievable throw 38 yards down the sideline. BIG TIME THROW IN AN ABSOLUTELY HUGE MOMENT IN THE GAME. Brady misses a wide ope Welker and Eli throws a rope game over!!!!!!!!!

  59. By Frank on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Hate to keep beating a dead horse but this organization had major issues this off season. Since Rex took over there has been a serious decline in personell and it’s clear Rex is a horrible talent evaluater and must be taken out of the equasion. TanWoody must do better in the draft getting the best player instead of drafting for need. Sanchize-Not must restructure his contract and take a pay cut ditto Holmes otherwise it wouldn’t surpirse me to see him cut this week. We need cap room period end of story. Letting young guys like Cotchery and Edwards go for old over the hill guys like Plaxico and Mason was a monumental mistake. Forget Manning it ain’t gonna happen…no way he comes here let alone the cap issues.

  60. By Bennett on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    ONE MORE SANCHEZ STAT – Opponents scored 346 points against the Jets in the 2011 season 126 of the points were off Sanchez turnovers ALONE. So if you do the math 36% of the points scored against the Jets.. 36%… MORE THAN 1/3 WERE THE RESULT OF SANCHEZ TURNOVERS ALONE. There are many more interesting but really sad things about Sanchez’s play if you care to really take a close look at him and dig under the “feel good” stats provided by some and when you do look you realize why the Jets really lost, I apoligize Schotty.

  61. By GaryC on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    jets haven’t won a super bowl since 69.every team is there hated rival, the patriots beat the jets even when they had Grogan,the dolphins beat the jets even when they had Woodley,the bills beat the jets when they had Joe Ferguson.

  62. By Bennett on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Another observation on Sanchez. I just watched a clip of last nights game on ESPN it showed Eli standing in the pocket with total concentration on the recievers while a 280 pounder was running, untouched, to pound him. He never flinced made the play and took the hit. The clip was played to specificaly show this about Eli If that was Sanchez he would have had all his attention on the rush would have tried like heck to avoid the hit and either thrown it away or thrown a stupid interception, or fumbled the ball running away. When a teamate said “he doesn,t have the mental toughness” what he was really saying in a nice way is that he plays scared .

  63. By Bennett on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    MIKE I enjoy reading your comments and others on this site and mostly I don’t feel the need to comment However there are just a few things that I get somewhat strident about one is that Sporano was brought in to be “groomed” to take over for Ryan and that Sanchez is a good QB. Neither are true ( in my opinion ) but oft repeated and I feel the need to refute it when I read it. With Sanchez it annoys me that some one is trying to use stats tp prove how good he is but ignoring the most important ones and not giving a true picture of what we really have here. He has been pampered and babyied and defended enought either he play like a man and produces or get out of this town

  64. By Bennett on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer 21 points were scored off his turnovers in one game ( Ravens) if you doubt the fiquer than look it up like I did. If I am wrong or the source is wrong I would humbly apologize for saying it and I never should have repeated it

  65. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    To me that’s what all contracts should state. You play well everything is all good. You play like garbage ( barring an injury ) you get your contract re-worked and take a salary cut if you improve at the end of the year you get your money. Sanchez should take a pay cut so should holmes..hunter..mulligan..pace…Look at what Peyton said..”He’s willing to re-work his contract to match his performance ” It’s funny when you close your eyes and imagine certain athletes doing what they do..Puljos hitting home runs..King Henrik making glove saves…Rodgers throwing TD’s…when I do this with Sanchez I see INT’s!..Everytime that kid steps back to throw or runs out of the pocket you hold your breath because you don’t know what’s going to happen..

  66. By harry-o on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    this 1000 yrd rushing season thing is bothersom, i don’t get it.
    think about it, 62 yrds /gm with 3.5 average at best (15-20 carries)
    100 yrd games/ season thats worth looking at.
    If a player misses some games but still achieves 1000 yrds that stands out.
    unless a RB has only has around 200 carries, a thousand yards in 16 games is so so. a 1200 yrd season is more inline with the 14 game 1000yrd season standard. should the NFL go to an 18 game season as once proposed a 1000 yrd rushing season sounds pretty weak. A 1000 yrd season w/2.6 avg. vs a 1000 yrd season w/ 4.2 avg. must consider whats behind that thousand yards. when Hank Arron broke the Babe’s record he had like twice as many at bats to do it in.
    I’m just say’n.

  67. By scjoe on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Glad this game is over and done and history now! I just could not listen to one more word about the Pats or that other NY team. For those of you who continue to knock Rex for is “talent evaluation” let me remind you once again that Rex does not have the final say in personal decisions, Mr T. DOES! There are many things you can knock Rex for if you chose to go in that direction, evaluating and signing players is not one of them. Get a clue.

  68. By Tom Spicer on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, You are a Giant fan so who are you kidding.

  69. By Tom Spicer on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, I guess Eli stunk in his 3rd year when he won the Super Bowl in 2008? Cause that year Mark was better than him in EVERY statistical category.

  70. By Tom Spicer on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    I read that Holmes has been tweeting Mark hopefully these guys can work out there differences & be productive next year. Due to the amount of money that we owe both of them I am 99.99% sure both will be back (unless we get Peyton) so it is key that these guys get along.

  71. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, just for you, when you drop 4 passes in the last 2 minutes of the Super Bowl in an indoor stadium, that’s playing lousy. When you panic and throw the ball out of the end zone on the first play of the game and get a S (the kind of thing “Mark” would do), you’re playing lousy. Eli’s pass to Manningham was one of the only truly great plays of the game. As several sportswriters said, the D’s didn’t really stop the O’s and the O’s didn’t really overpower the D, both teams sort of slogged along until one very much threw it away and one took it with the most memorable SB-worthy play of the day. So no, this game wasn’t nearly up there with the last few. Spicer, the answer is to cut MS and SH’s pay or dump them, not suffer with them.

  72. By DKM on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats to Curtis, sorry for Bill i think some of the 44 Voters still haboring ill feelings towards him for not being always excessible the way they like it. Hopefully that want be 1 of the criterias in the Future if you know what i mean.

  73. By Jetsfan1234 on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    @SPICER!!! The stat is turnovers leading to points (which means the other team scored on the ensuing drive.) The fact that he leads the league, considering our defense, shows that most of his turnovers were in or near the other team’s redzone. These interceptions and fumbles, at the beginnings of our drives really hurt us. Then he also had a number of long td returns by defenders against him because he was never there to make a tackle when he is the first person aware of his mistakes. Big Ben does not have long defensive td returns against him. Mark folds up like a cheap suit when he gets scared or rattled (which is often). Other QBs have those games very occasionally. Mark has that game almost every week.

  74. By Tom Spicer on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    Jetsfan1234, 1/3 of Marks total turnovers for the season where in the last 3 games. When his best player quit on him & he was sacked 5, 4 & 3 teams. Our o line was dominated by the Eagles, Giants & than Miami in those 3 games. Also he had 4 games with ZERO turonvers so to say he has a game like that almost everyweek is just WRONG!

  75. By Tom Spicer on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    I hate when guys say Mark is scared that is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. How does someone have 32 TDS in a year & play scared? Lets say he is playing scared how many TDS would he have if he didnt play scared the NFL record of 52 in a year? Does he have to complete a higher percentage of his passes YES. Does he have to have less turnovers YES. But I think it is safe to say he doe not play scared.

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