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Conversation with Curtis Martin, Hall of Famer

Posted by Randy Lange on February 6, 2012 – 11:03 am

Yes, it was a rough Super Bowl as advertised for Jets fans, but the one shining green moment was when Curtis Martin and the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2012 was introduced to the Lucas Oil Stadium crowd before the coin toss.

The NFL did a nice job, introducing alphabetically but moving Martin to last. He got the loudest ovation from the fans, a good percentage of which were Patriots supports, of course. But football fans of all stripes could cheer Martin, who along with Chris Doleman are the big names and star power of this six-man class.

Curtis, despite admitting that “my mind is racing today,” invited me and team photographer Al Pereira to come up and chat with him in his Indy hotel room before he began his Super Bowl day duties. As always he was gracious and thoughtful as he touched again on some of the themes he had touched on last year in his first pass at the Hall and again Saturday night in a conference call with Jets reporters while expanding on others.

“It’s been such a humbling experience for me,” Curtis said, still looking muscular and ready as ever as he sat in the comfy chair in his room. “You never set out — I never set out — to accomplish this. Talking about a Hall of Fame class, only elite players are invited into the Hall of Fame. Last year, Deion Sanders and Marshall Faulk, they deserved to be in the Hall of Fame. They just have that elite level. I feel I made the most of the talent I had. With those guys, I didn’t feel snubbed.

“This year, the more emotional part for me was the fact that Bill didn’t get in with me. I’d rather he’d be going in without me. I think what he’s accomplished in this game is phenomenal. It was bittersweet for me.”

He said even as of Sunday afternoon he had not talked to Parcells, who made the round of 10 finalists but was not selected Saturday, about presenting him at the Aug. 4 induction ceremonies in Canton, Ohio.

“But he and I are close. I was thinking of trying to figure out how they would do it if he was an inductee and a presenter in the same year,” Martin said.

Parcells does figure to get in some day. Would Martin present him to the Hall that year? “Bill has a lot of people he knows that he could ask,” he said, “but if he were to ask me, I’d definitely do it.”

Martin said there was a “foreign feeling” to the day and to winning this award that he said “was never my goal.” Part of the surrealness is coming today when he is scheduled to get measured for his Hall of Fame jacket and also to get the first measurements taken for his Canton bust.

“I was talking with my wife, Carolina, last night about the Hall of Fame,” he laughed. “And I told her it was just weird. They’re going to be making a little head of me to put in the Hall of Fame.

Curtis, Carolina (pronounced Caroleena) and perhaps even their new addition, daughter Ava Carolina, will make the trip with Martin’s admirers to Canton in August and check out the new bust, alongside, no doubt, his iconic No 28 green jersey. I was sure he had explained his chosen number at some time in the past but I didn’t remember ever asking him about it. Sure enough, there was a Biblical slant to the number he wore virtually every day of his pro career.

“Before getting drafted, I was talking to my pastor, Leroy Joseph,” he recalled. “I told him I wasn’t really sure about playing pro football. He said, ‘Maybe football is a vehicle for you to reach out to people the way you say you want to do.’ Then one day I was speaking to him my rookie year in New England. I think I was wearing No. 39 at the time. He asked me what number I had. The Patriots said I’d be able to get 28 or 26 after a while. He said ‘Deuteronomy 28!’

“It’s a scripture that I would read a lot throughout my career. It says if you obey God, here’s how your life will be blessed, and how you’ll be blessed coming in and blessed going out.”

Curtis’ religion must be mentioned in this stream-of-bloggyness. It’s a vital part of who he is. It helped get him through the considerable pain he often played in until he couldn’t play through it anymore in 2005-06. It led him to put away 15 percent of every paycheck he made as a pro tailback to completely fund his charity work.

And it still plays a role in his future plans of NFL ownership, which he said are still quite alive.

“I’ve learned to become more patient and I’ve gotten a lot wiser since I retired,” he said. “It was my idea to line my ducks up in a row and when the opportunity arose I could execute it. I had two opportunities. One I thought we were going to close on but there were some points at the end that we just couldn’t agree on so I passed on it. It came back around a year later and I totally (passed on it).

“But it’s still alive and I’m still looking at it.”

I asked Curt if he might consider buying into another pro sport.

“It wouldn’t have to be the NFL but I want it to be the NFL,” he said. “I want to bring what I’ve learned from the ground up, from a rookie being hazed to an owner. There’s a lot to travel between those two points and I want to bring that to an organization. I can’t do the same thing with baseball or with basketball.”

One last topic we touched on was the current state of the Jets.

“I think it’s obvious it’s not ideal right now. There are some changes, some things they have to do to turn it around,” he offered. “I do know that a lot of people give Rex a lot of flak for talking. For me, I champion that, I see what that does. A coach sticks his neck out, jeopardizes his name and his wellbeing — as a player, that really does something for you. It worked for the Jets for two years, it didn’t work for one year. That’s the way he motivates. So be it.”

He reminded that, more than six years (!) after he last played an NFL down, he doesn’t pay close attention to the game now.

“The Jets are usually the only team I really watch. I know it sounds kind of fictitious for me to be saying I don’t know what’s going on,” he said. “But I’ve heard about Sanchez and Santonio Holmes. They’ll fix that. That’s not a huge problem. That’s not something that’s unfixable.”

And with that, Al and I thanked Curtis Martin one more time for his time, congratulated him one more time for his special day ahead, to be followed by many more special days as a member of pro football’s pantheon. When we got out of the elevators, as luck would have it (as well as this being the NFL’s Super Bowl headquarters), Doleman and Hall of Fame official Joe Horrigan and their wives were chatting. Did they have any thoughts on Martin reaching the Hall?

“He’s a Pitt guy, man,” Doleman said smiling. “He did play against me. It wasn’t that often. But Curtis was a great player and what I always loved about him is he was humble, he did his job, he wasn’t a guy that was bigger than the team. He embodied professional football.”

“Everyone who’s ever touched him or been touched by him says the same thing,” said Horrigan, “that he’s a great player and a great person.”

That says it all.

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201 Responses to “Conversation with Curtis Martin, Hall of Famer”

  1. By wayne on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Read that chapter many times over…..Man of honor. Heart of a lion. Christian man…….No Tebowing necessary……………CONGRATULATIONS TO MR. CURTIS MARTIN.

  2. By Bennett on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer – Actually the Ravens scored 24 points in one game off Sanchez tunovers with three fumbles and one pick 6

  3. By westcoastJET28 on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    I’m so glad Curtis Martin is in the Hall! Well awaited and deserved! Talk about playing like a Jet, C. Martin was the appitamy of that phrase.

  4. By robertpapalia on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Conratulations to Curtis Martin. A class act all the way. Yeah its` been tough to see the Giants win their 4th Super Bowl. I was 18 years old when the Jets won their only Super Bowl. Now I am approaching 62 years of age and I will never live to see the Jets win #2. I have said it before and I will say it again, mismanagement has caused the Jets to have this 43 year drought. Look at it this way. Since the merger in our division, the Pats, Bills, and the Dolphins have gone to the Super Bowl a combined 16 times. While we still wait. Mismanagement. Another case in point. Holmes. He will get his bonus money again this week and then start trouble again. Mismanagement and more mismanagement is the reason the Jets are what they are.

  5. By Bennett on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer – Actually I should have been able to provide you with sites I referenced but there were so many I didn’t keep track . A couple were ESPN NY and FOOTBALL NATION . The stuff I got was all from reliable sources not from fans and as I said If I am ever wrong I would be the first to apologize I do have alot more facts to get out over the next few days I will try and do a better job of indicating the sources

  6. By IRA on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Wish Woody would make Curtis a part owner of the Jets. It would really do wonders for this team.

  7. By Bennett on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    And yes Spicer I was also shocked at the number and how truly bad he is. We ran Schotty out of town and now I realize he never had a chance last year the way this kid played

  8. By Frank on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    One of the best Jets to ever wear the uniform…great guy and model team mate. Its too bad he never won a Superbowl.

  9. By scjoe on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats to CMART! He earned it. He was a top ten RB in this league and deserves to be in the HOF. Don’t know exactly what happened with Parcells, but he deserves it s well. Now that the season is officially over it is time to concentrate on free agency and the draft. Everyone has their own opinions on how to improve the team, so let the debate begin. Go Jets!!!!!!!!!

  10. By Bennett on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Among other things I have researced on Sanchez was how productive he was in the !st Quarter and 1st Half ( shocking),3rd down conversion ratios, yardage lost on sacks, turnovers in the opponents red zone and I can tell you it really paints an ugly picture. I am half thinking of putting it all togeather in a letter to Woody

  11. By scjoe on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    One final word on yesterday’s game. Congratulations to Bill Belichek for once again making a complete fool of himself and not agreeing to go live for his post game comments. Talk about sour grapes, this guy leads the pack. Say what you want about Rex, at least he stands up to adversity.

  12. By Tom Spicer on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, Please read my post in the story trio of Jets make the all pro team.

  13. By russ on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Curtis ..you did real good…you made us proud…for you it was about the work and the effort……Unfortunately our management let go of players like you for the quick fix and the result was disaster…we now are a team of crybabies and quitters and Rex is taking the heat what others above him put on the field in their fantasy football dreams….Winning is hard work and blue collar efforts…You start with a great DL and work upward…Jets have no respect for winning or for using the winning formula…

  14. By Bennett on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer I hope you don.t think that all 126 points scored on Sanchez’s turnovers were on that particular play. You do understand that most of the scores where made on the subsequent drive after the turnover. The were not all pic 6 and fumbles for TD’s… right?? . Just checking as you see so surprised at that stat ( as I was ) You got to remember he had 9 turnovers in just the last three games alone. When you dig like I did it doesn”t seem so unbeliveable. His 1st and 2nd quarter production.. Now that is truly shocking.

  15. By Tom Spicer on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Many guys have said Mark is not the answer. But what are the alternatives? Do you think Mcelroy is the answer? Should we use the 16th pick on a QB? Do we trade up in this years draft if the guy we like will not be there at 16? Do we get Peyton? Do we get Jason Cambell to fight for the spot with him? (Flynn is going to go to a place that will guarentee a starting spot to him & pay him big bucks there is no way we get him. The Chiefs have already said they are keeping Orton & he will fight with Cassell for the starting job. So we are not getting him either) It easy to point out what you think is a problem. IIt is a little harder to come up with a solution that is realistic!

  16. By joe-retired li/fla on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    congratuations curtis! it’s great to see a nice,decent human being get this award! thanks for playing for the jets. i guess like “ira”, my favorite game was watching you run in the snow against the “burgh”. after that game,whenever you got a hand-off, i would always yell “run curtis run” -thanks again for being you-don’t worry about bill parcells, there’s no way he won’t get in!

  17. By scjoe on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, good post. From my point of view there needs to be competition at the QB spot just like anywhere else, there was absolutely none this year, or last for that matter. I do not recognize Mark Brunell as competition.I really don’t know what his roll is except for taking up a valuable roster spot. The competition has to include McKelroy and a veteran, not one way past his prime, unless that veteran is named Manning there should be a fair and honest competition, take the politics out of it. You know I have been consistent in pointing out the flaws in Sanchez game, well his failure to address any of these issues only adds fuel to the fire. He supposed to be a leader. Lead by example. Address the issues

  18. By Frank on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer so I am a Giants fan whats your point? You know it and I said it years ago. Before moved to Texas I had season tickets for both. In my book they are 1A-Jets and 1-B Giants I love both teams. You should follow both teams and get twice the enjoyment. The best part is they NEVER play at the same time thanks to the NFL schedule so you never miss a game.
    Since I moved down here and everyone is a Cowboys fan it has been fun being the Yankee and kicking Cowboy butt…3 times this year!
    Anyway Bennett has been doing my dirty work and my analysis of Sanchize-Not has been spot on.

  19. By Tom Spicer on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, I mis understood you I thought you meant that he threw a pick that was returned for a TD or that he fumbled the ball & somebody picked it up & ran it back for a TD. My mistake!

  20. By Frank on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer I actually like your last post you are finally using your head. Personally I would have dumped Rex and brought Joe Philbin and Matt Flynn in together which is exactly what the Dolphins will do if they can’t get Manning. So now what? Good question. Sparano should get Sanchez and McElroy together and say the door is open for competition and may the best man win. TanWoody still needs to monitor the Flynn situation and if they can sign him…his potential is off the charts although without Philbin and his west coast offense this might be risky. What the anonymous player was saying and meant not that Sanchez is lazy but is coddled not pushed in practice and made to compete hard for the job leading to an uncompetitive approach to his job.

  21. By Frank on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    I still think TanWoody made a huge mistake going after Sanchez with draft picks and players he was not a sure fire franchise QB and they did that in the middle of a “win now” group of players and franchise philosphy thats why this has gotten so ugly. Cutler was the trade they should have made. I said it back then he is too small to be a franchise QB and before you jump up and down both Montana and Brees where tremendously better technical and mechanical QB’s than Sanchez with their accuracy and brains being above and beyond. Sanchez is not there and never will be based on what he has shown.

  22. By Bennett on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Regarding the QB situation the first thing you have to do before you can solve a problem is to admit one exists. Ryan,T-baum,Woody, Sporano all still have the attitude of ( at least publicaly) “he is our guy”‘ They should have had a good young prospect in the wings learning 3 years ago instead of a 40 year old backup. You got to give McElroy at least a shot in pre-season to see if we have anything, otherwise you are stuck for another year with a scared ,turnover machine

  23. By frank on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    congrats c-mart but did we sign peyton yet?

  24. By wayne on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I think it’s pretty realistic to bring in competition and potential replacement if it looks like GQ is in over his head………………..scjoe, ditto on Belichick, with each unfulfilled season in NE his aura continues to fade. That cheating thing looms larger and larger each year….. If he can still play, which i strongly doubt, Peyton’s got better options………..Think writers are leery of Parcells making another comeback…………………………Best scenario for Jets would be for GQ to succeed……..Expect them to roll the dice somewhere along the line though, SB 2014 is a huge plumb for the picking.

  25. By MPC on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    A great player and Greater Person!
    I wish todays Jets were more like Curtis!
    Congrats #28 you deserve it and more!!!

  26. By DKM on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    I love cutis congrats well deserved. Nothing but Respect.

  27. By DKM on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Now my friends, BENNETT you start irking me the wrong way werent you the guy who not even 2 Month ago agreed on everything Karan said on this Blog, whats gotten into you a little to much Wayne and GaryC. At least admitt you where wrong and stop pulling out theSTAT SHEET on Spicer.

  28. By DKM on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    JFS64 im argueing with you, not with Manni, Revis or other Players or personel who made any comments on how other Teams play the jets cause you the one who brought it up here dont hide behind Quotes from other all the time thats what you like to do anyway.
    If you consider me a Jet fan with his Head in the Sand thats fine, but at Least im not writing with 2 sides out of my Mouth, make up your mind, is it a Elite QB with a average D who wins a SB or a average QB with a great D, cause you really confuse me sometimes with your statements. SO we need a better QB cause Sanchez doesnt cut it and than the D doesnt need to be that great or is it we ok with him and need to improve the D and we win a SB …..eeehhhhh! WHAT WHAT WHAT

  29. By DKM on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    JFS64 more for you, and you can spin it anyway you want to, yes there where 2 really great QB in the game, but the game was won by Defense, considering that the G defense held a High scoring O ( more than 35PTS a game) to only 17 points, that shows you and some others here, that Defense and a great running game can win you a SB and those my Friend are Quotes from people who work on NFL Network. Go research it.

  30. By DKM on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    SCJOE you ask me what ive seen, well 2 years ago 4 games with the ability to come back, the once in while 20+ yard completion if Schotty let him, getting knocked down and still play, yeah there is certain things you and other are right, he needs to improve, but how much poket awareness can you learn if you get sacked more than any other QB or you O-Line collapsses on every 2nd down. In my Opinion and i have to agree with Spicer it is still to early to give up on him. As much as you can see bad things i can see good things.And he still didnt had a loosing season yet. Sometime the best Decision is the one you didnt make.

  31. By DKM on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Oh boy i dont know how long the Nfl keeps up with BB not taking it very well to Loose.
    Wayne right on with the 0 for spygate. I still think the NFL let him get away with it, loosing 1st round pick or not he got off easy. Coughlin is now 5 and 1 against BB. There seems to be always the 1 Demon in everybodys closet, i think for BB it is TOM COUGHLIN.
    Offseason, lets get startet.

  32. By westcoastJET28 on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    People quit with the MS stats and comparisons, it’s pointless, redundant and getting old fast. I am so sick of hearing and reading his name in articles that dont even pertain to him. This peice is about one of the best and classiest Jet to have ever donned that infamous green and white, not the worst.

  33. By DKM on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    JFS64 i just want make sure what it is that makes us so bad in your eyes. You dont like the QB we have, so lets change him ok, now you dont believe that D and running dont win the SB anymore cause the Leauge has become a Offensive Leuage ok, now you get a great QB (lets say Manning) than we are instantly SB contenders, i dont think so, cause none of this matters if you cant stop the Opposition(see Packers this Year there secondery wasnt good at all), the game is won with Balance every coach will tell you that, it dont matter if your QB is great or not, my Point being have some Faith that they will right this thing, yes we had a down year but it still fixable.

  34. By DKM on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    Good for the guys who bought up NYJETSCAP.COM, good side, i always said check it out, its worth it Jason who runs the side does a pretty good Job.
    We not as bad in our Cap sit. as poeple think with little tweak here and there we schould be able to sign some decent FA who will fill the void in some areas.
    From our FA i would absolutely bring back Pouha and De Vito, and Maybin for the right Price. And carefull about the years you give these guys. Pouha was on a mission for 4 years but still.

  35. By DKM on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    This is for all the People here screaming constantly for DE, we do not play a 4-3 defense, Rex plays a 3-4 defense so it is either a DT who can rush the Passer or faster OLB, who can line up on the Line of scrimmage and rush (see Maybin) or fall back. And i mean not just situationell. Someone who can play the line or LB. Rex always preferred to bring his presurre from the OLB or his secondary. Thats were the NFL goes anyway playing a Hybrid Defense to find the answer for the Bigger and faster TE. Having 2 DTs on either site rushing the Passer (Willkerson on one and ? on the other) is a plus in Rexs system not a must. Willkerson, i believe, is going to be a Beast.

  36. By DKM on Feb 6, 2012 | Reply

    The proof is in the Pudding ……….haha Pudding, i said, Rexs defenses always ranked in the top 10 without having the most sacks. Unless you have Ray Lewis. But how many Ray Lewisssssssesesessese are in the World.

  37. By scjoe on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne, couldn’t agree more that the best possible scenario for the Jets would be for MS to succeed, but the million dollar (or should I say the 50 million dollar question) is can he and will he? From what I have seen so far I would have to say no. But regardless of all the criticism I have placed on this guy, most of it warranted, I wouldn’t mind seeing him do a complete 180 under Sparano, because just as you say, that is the best scenario the Jets could hope for.

  38. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, it’s simple — you need a whole team on which one of the most key pieces is the QB. If I owned a team, I wouldn’t hold onto a QB like Sanchez much longer than about halfway thru 2012 without MAJOR improvement, especially with the SB in my home stadium in 2014. Spicer and scjoe, thanks for your kind posts on the All-Pro story. Since I DON’T own an NFL team and like you live in this ridiculous economy whereby unless you know big shots in government or Fortune 500 companies you starve, I’m simply going to have to rein in my habit of going to the Jet site on my computer every time I’m bored with work…if I’m going to hold onto the computer and the roof over my head. It’s nothing personal and I certainly enjoy even the sparring over stats.

  39. By uncle joe on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah Curtis,Congrats.

  40. By IRA on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Enough already with the Spygate garbage. Sure the league lamed out and didn’t do the right thing epseically burining the tapes. But if you don’t think that all teams do things that might not seem right to get an advantage you are only kidding yourself.
    So wonder what Woody does to make a splash after P. Manning turns down the Jets which i feel would be the best thing for the Jets. Maybe sign the best pass rusher out there? He is going to have to do something its been his track record especially after the Giants once again win another SB and have a parade today as we sit and thnk about free agency and the draft. And to think if Cro or Wilson make a tackle on Cruz this all would have never had happened.

  41. By IRA on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    See the leadership Digs shows today when he stood up and defended Welker for not making that catch. Jets never should’ve left him go i told you guys he was a big leader in that locker room. Maybe if they had more players like him the Jets wouldn’t have looked like fools towards the end of the seon with all the dirty laundry coming out. Hope they learned their lesson with the bad moves this offseason.

  42. By uncle joe on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    OK Jets Fans. The SuperBowl is over, officially ending the season. Now starts the offseason, which we usually win every year! Jets should go all in on Calais Cambell the DE from Cards. I’m a little worried because there are rumors that the Texans won’t franchise Super Mario, the money he would command coming off a season ending injury scares.

  43. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    You got it backwards, DKM. Pocket presence is what you develop in the face of the rush not when you’re free of it, which no QB is starting in about the 1st yr of high school. Your reference to the collapsing pocket is especially telling here. One of the things I regretfully noticed about Sanchez — about halfway thru his 2nd yr, when at first I’d thought the problem was merely the OL not protecting him — is that he doesn’t step up in the pocket that well. Arte thinks it’s ’cause he can’t see over the D line, others (including apparently some on the team) think he’s too scared of the rush to step up and trust that “second stage” in the life of the play. But whatever the reason, his learning curve on pocket presence seems alarmingly slow.

  44. By Frank on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Wrong DKM the Giants offense won the game…the Pats only had the ball for 22 minutes scoring 17 points was an accomplishment. In the end the Elite QB made the throw of the season to Manningham that won the game. Once that play was made the Pats started to blitz and Eli picked them apart to the endzone for the winning TD. Eli is the best and most clutch QB in the NFL setting records for 4th qtr TD’s and comebacks this season. Neither the Giants D or the Pats who are even worse had great D’s they both had Elite QB’s that got them to the Superbowl and the best QB won. Eli throws a dart 38 yards downfield to a double covered receiver and Brady a few seconds earlier misses a wide open Welker. That was the difference in the game.

  45. By Tom Spicer on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    14 days to the combine & 82 days to the draft.

  46. By uncle joe on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    With the 16 pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Mark Barron, Safety,Alabama.

  47. By Tom Spicer on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    35 days or 5 weeks exactly from today until free agency. Every mock draft I have looked at has the Jets taking OLB Upshaw (Bama), DE Ingram (South Carolina), Saftey Barron (Bama) WR Blackmon (Oklahoma State) or WR Wright (Baylor). NFL. com has 4 mock drafts each lined up 1 next to the other.

  48. By Chicago Bob on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Once again the Giants have shown the proper formula to beat the Patriots: Pressure Brady + hit Brady + sack Brady = beat Patriots. Forget the WR with the first round pick – get people in here that can get to the QB. Be careful about jumping on the Flynn bandwagon – remember the great Scott Mitchell and even to a lesser degree, when the Jets had Matt Robinson and looked like he was something special – fortunately we traded him to Denver for a first round pick. You have to consider the talent Flynn had around him at Green Bay and the lack of pressure on him to succeed. He may turn out to be a solid QB however he may wind up being just something average and then you have (another) large, wasted salary counting against the cap.

  49. By Bennett on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    DKM What exactley was I wrong about ? I never agreed or replied to a post about Karan although I do enjoy reading her stuff. Whats the matter with Stats afraid to see the other side of the coin. You don’t complain about stats when the support your position, do you ! I will post any stat I feel like any time I feel like it, if you don.t like it then how about you just skip my post and move on to the next one

  50. By IRA on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    The Giants deserve everything they accomplished but lets get real. If Welker makes that catch the parade today is a lot further north.

  51. By Tom Spicer on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    I know the Jets need a satey but they need a pass rusher more. With a pass rush it covers up a weak secondary. But honestly all the draft talk means nothing cause free agency will determine what we do in the draft. If we sign a free agent WR we are not taking a WR with our 1st round pick.

  52. By GaryC on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Are we enjoying the parade yet, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

  53. By GaryC on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    the last three giant super bowl wins, a guy misses a field goal, Eli throws a hail mary that gets answered, and a guy who never drops a ball let’s one drop. get me the name of that guardian angel that is following that team around.

  54. By scjoe on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, two great points and one I have to disagree with. First one about Mr T almost obligated to make a big splash after the Giants SB win. My only concern is that he don’t go out and do another Brett Favre type splash. Second point about Digs and his leadership role. One of the biggest problems on this years Jets team was a lack of players like Digs, and Ellis and Cotchery who provided that in the past. The one point I disagree with is the “if” Welker makes that catch, because the “ifs” certainly evened out in that game just as they do in most games.Besides, that was no routine catch no matter what the two commentators said.I read a great line recently that said Welker did not lose the game but he could have won it.

  55. By scjoe on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Fair enough 64. Enjoy that Cali sunshine bud. Hey spicer, wonder what happened to “Joe”

  56. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Flynn is going to Miami..that’s a no brainer. As a new head coach Philbin will bring in a QB he knows and trust to run his offense. What I would like to see the Jets do is: If Turner is healthy move him to RT and Slide slauson over. That should do it for the O-line. Getting a RB is a must..Forte looks like he is going to get tagged by the bears. So maybe a guy like Hillis might fit in. Hillis-Greene-Mckinght not a bad rotation. WR: Holmes is staying, Edwards Maybe back. Kerley in the slot. Not bad. TE: I would like to see what Cumberland can do in a full season I see matchup issues using him and Keller in 2TE sets. That’s the offense…

  57. By scjoe on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, you read my mind. I had intentions of writing the exact same thing you just posted, that being you can speculate where the Jets will go at 16 all day long, but ultimately it will depend on what happens in free agency that will dictate where they go. For example, no one is talking about the NT position, if Pohua don’t resign and Ellis winds up in the slam the Jets would have to think long and hard about Poe and the NT spot at 16 because that is the key component in the 3-4. A great NT can make a good OLB great. Remember the D with Jenkins at NT? He had as much to do with the pressure the Jets generated back then then with the rest of the league not prepared for Rex’s schemes.

  58. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Defense..wow..Ok. Pace and Thomas maybe out. LB: Maybin needs to gain a little more weight and strength but that kid has a motor. Mauga looks like he could be good but that’s a big if also Bellmore. But looks like Mario Williams maybe headed out of Houston. Our LB corps is going to need a lot of work. Johnson from the ravens is available also at LB. DE: Freeney & Mathis are FA this year maybe one of them can fill in our Pass rush woes. Now as far as the draft is concerned I like the kid from Bama..Barron at safety he can cover the TE and WR and hits like a mack truck. But knowing ryan he may want a LB- upshaw or Vonte B from AZ. Question now is what to at QB? Let GQ battle it out with McElory or pick up a VET?

  59. By scjoe on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Alan O” Flynn to Miami is a possibility because of Philbin, but don’t discount Manning going there just yet. I wrote a bunch of reasons why this could happen in an earlier post. Just imagine the Jets going up against Brady and Manning for 25% of their season. What a nightmare of a thought.

  60. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Finally Mr. Curtis Martin. Wow was this guy a Class act or what? He’s everyting you want from a football player. Stayed out of trouble..humble…hard working..no excuses..This guy is what being a NY Jet represents. A great player..teamate. Congrats on your Hall of Fame entry.

    Curtis Martin
    Freeman McNeil
    Wayne Cherbet
    Kyle Clifton
    Al Toon
    Marty Lyons
    Mickey Shuler
    Wesley Walker
    Mo Lewis
    Dennis Byrd
    Chad Pennington..All my favorite Jets!
    Oh yeah..for the voters who didn’t vote for Bill P. for the Hall of Fame shame on you!

  61. By robertpapalia on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    First of all as far as wide receivers go. the Jets need to go for a fresh start. Bring in a top free agent or draft high in the draft for one. This is whether Holmes stays or goes. They also needa big time pass rusher. Whether through the draft or free agency doesn`t matter. Finally on Sanchez, this is a make or break year for him. He either takes the Jets where they need to go or he doesn`t. Hopefully Sparano can straighten him out. Time will tell that story.

  62. By wayne on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Chicago Bob, that’s the point. Jets keep trying to imitate the NY Mets when there are obvious examples, not the least of which are the present Rangers and Giants Build a team thru the draft and fill in with the right type of vets…………………………………………..YES I AM………………………………………………..

  63. By russ on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Always bet the Jets to Show never to win…

  64. By DKM on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Frank either way you look it from this way im from the other the result is the same giants win.
    JFS64 i know you very down on Sanchez, but you and me agree on the Principles here for both of Sanchez the Coach and the FO, compete for 2014 or else there will be nothing left incl, Woody considering selling the Team. And you know what rightfully so, i as Jets fan who gives them more then benefit of doubt here agree if this doesnt work in a hurry it totaly needs to be fixed.

  65. By DKM on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett dont mind you Stats at all, you free to Post whatever you want and im free to read whatever i want but you werent bashing Sanchez at all 2 Month ago. Come out at least and say you were wrong my Friend if you decided to be unhappy with him. Consistency is what counts.

  66. By DKM on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Ira no i will not forget about it neither schould you it gave them 3 SB and us missery. Yeah there is a lot of Teams who have simular things going on, but they the ones who got caught. So shame on them and for the NFL to shrugg it under the Carpet, if this wouldve been the Jets, Raiders or Lions the Penalty would if been twice as hard and you know it. So no i want forget ever.

  67. By DKM on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    JFS 64 this is one of my big concerns about him his Size, it is a problem it is important so you be able to read the Defense. However Brees showed us it is possible in this Leauge, and thats not me saying he will be Brees, Flutie was a small guy to, but than you also need there smarts, wich every Coach will tell is barly possible to learn in 3 years, there is many new D they show now a Days maybe the Game hasent slowed down for him enough yet, and maybe Schottys system was a little to complicated for him, even if you think switching the WR is not important for some guys it is, my Point being if he turns out to be even remotely a good QB and we cut our ties now we are the ones who look foolish for letting him go and waste a High DP and 50mil

  68. By DKM on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Well well, maybe im coming slowly to the conclusion that no matter what we do we are the ones who get boned here. If we cut him loose at 25 and he florishes somwhere else we look stupid and if keep him and he is a bust we look stupid, either way the jets are once again in a no Win situation my Friends.

  69. By IRA on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, Good point Brady gets half the blame for throwing to the wrong side of Welker. If Pitt lets J-Co leave does he end up back with the Jets or goes to the Pats?

  70. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    You are dead on! Having Manning and Brady in the same division would be a nightmare. That’s why I am prayin’ Miami brings in Flynn. Rex has a lot of admiration for Peyton, he’s always saying how better Peyton is over Brady..I can almost hear Rex Begging Woody and Mike T to pull the trigger on getting Manning here in NY.

  71. By Bennett on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    The Welker miss although it hit him in the hands would have been a difficult one – notice what a weird position he was in he was almost kinda sideways… leaning way back, real tough one to make regardless if he did it before. It would have been one terrific grab.

  72. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Good post on the Giants’ O winning the game, Frank, not that the D wasn’t a factor but like you and sportswriters have said, it wasn’t exactly a stellar D struggle and Eli’s 4th qtr work is amazing. DKM, you must’ve missed my post on how “we’re not one or two guys away,” we’re quite a few guys away. Ira, I agree re Woody but the problem is a bit Scylla and Charybdis: “Make a big splash” with a big QB signing and leave other holes unaddressed or build thru the draft and not compete for a few yrs? If pressed I’ll take the latter route, which would be a lot easier if we’d get the heck out of the Giants’ stadium (as it now unquestionably is) and build our own in NYC or on LI. robertpapalia, how many “make or break yrs” is Sanchez going to get?

  73. By Frank on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Ira give me a break with that what if’s you know better than that. If Sanchize-Not doesn’t throw that bonehead pick 6 against the Broncos in the 4th qtr we would have won the Superbowl??????????? or better yet Conley doesn’t shank badly an 18 yard punt in the same game and the Broncos don’t get that FG we win the game and go to the Superbowl???? Speaking of which another absolutely boneheaded personell decision letting Weatherford go when he sets the NFL record for inside the 20 punts the year before. I have said it ad nuseaum the personell decisions under Ryan have been absolutely abysmal TanWoody can’t get rid of him fast enough for my liking. He is a lousy coach.

  74. By Frank on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    What pass rusher are we gonna sign Ira? Mathis and Freeney are FA’s but they are undersized for a 3-4 end. The only legit pass rusher who could play the 3-4 would be Mario Williams who I am almost certain the Texans will let walk considering the job Brooks Reed did this year. Speaking of which I wanted to pick him and suggested during the draft to trade into the second round to get him. This team has major holes to fill and no money or enough draft picks to fill them. All the bad moves wasted draft picks and personell dumps made by this regime the last few years have come home to roost.

  75. By GaryC on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    I will make one final point about this lovely super bowl that we witnessed,why did the patriots not run the no huddle once, not that I saw, was it because they wanted to give Gronkowski’s ankle a rest between plays,you would have thought they would of wanted to tire the giants front four a little bit.

  76. By robertpapalia on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Tom, I would say that 2012 is Sanchez` make or break year. After that if he doesn`t lead us to the promised land because of his play, he`s outta here.

  77. By Frank on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Ira and scjoe….I can’t help myself but Brady threw a Sanchize-Not pass to Welker. How on God’s earth does an “Elite” QB misfire so badly on a wide-open receiver 20 yards down-field. Although Welker should/could make that catch it was an awful throw considering how wide-open he was.
    This is real simple there is no way you can win a Superbowl these days without an elite QB especially if you want to be in the hunt every year. That is why I would have dumped Rex and brought in Philbin and Flynn this was a very unique situation where you are getting a HC and his QB that he has had success developing. No one throws 9 TD’s in two starts vs winning playoff teams. Bart Starr, Brett Favre and Rogers that is who Flynn beat for the team record!!!!!

  78. By Frank on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    That is also why I was screaming for TanWoody to trade for Cutler at the time. Who trades a 26 year old two time pro bowl and winning QB before their prime??? for 2 first rounders??? That’s cheap. You give away the store for a franchise QB. The Philbin/Flynn situation is very unique in that regard and you make radical moves to make that happen. There is no risk because like I said you are not going to win anyway without an Elite QB. Think about it what did we win with Rex?????? We didn’t win the division, no home playoff games, the Colts gave him the playoffs in 2009 while Sanchise-Not did his best to give away the season losing 4 games by himself. Rex has proven he is an awful HC in way over his head. So Ira the big splash has come an gone

  79. By Karan on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Jets were stpid for letting digs go, he was a great leader. Him and weatherford are definetly bitter toward the jets, however, i cant blame em. Jets need to be more loyal, especially vets, i hate to compare, but the patriots are very loyal to their veterans.

  80. By DKM on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    JFS64 i did read it and im on your side on that, its gonna take 2 drafts and 1 FA period to get back where we want to be, no question.
    Frank right on with if’s, and please, dont even think about Freeny or Mathis neither are made for a 3-4, This is not the NEW YORK COLTS, stay away from those guys incl. Manning havent you learned anything (Favre) by now. There is load of good value had this year in the Draft both on DT and OLB they much cheaper and younger. Like Mario Williams just dont know if we can afford him.

  81. By Karan on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Mark Sanchez will win a super bowl.

  82. By scjoe on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, good point about NE not running the no huddle. In my opinion, for what it is worth, indeed it was to rest Gronkowski who was out there as a decoy only, (by the way, that is exactly what I posted last week, he would be nowhere near 100%) I believe they would rather have had Gronk out there as a Decoy then not be out there at all. Make sense? Another reason? The Giants, unlike most teams NE faced all season, have quality depth in the front four. Damn how I wish I could say that about the Jets.

  83. By DKM on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    On the first Drive for the TD GaryC there was 9 Plays, 5 of them out of the no Huddle, if i correctly remember, they just didnt stick with it. I think they had the perfect Game plan against the Giants, they just came up short.
    Well just like everything else this year letting Weatherford and Ellis go was probebly the biggest mistakes, but no one wants to admit to it. The value Ellis had for us, he never brought to to the Pats, but we had no replacement for that either on or off the Field. Im a little confused however about Weatherford and his Comments after the game, so it took for you to go the Giants to find Motivation and that little extra you couldnt do for us……. interesting.

  84. By GaryC on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    If rex is a genius d coordinator why wouldn’t he switch to a 4 3 defense if that what his talent suggests,Brockers of Lsu is supposed to have immense ability so what about a line of him and wilkerson as ends and Ellis and Ropati,if they dont bring back Pouha,at tackles or ellis and Pouha at tackles,At least with this alignment maybe jets would just need one rush linebacker and the ends would put the rush on and hopefully Ellis too.Giants have proven strength up front masks weaknesses in other spots.

  85. By scjoe on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Allen O” I would cut off my right pinky to have a “healthy” Peyton play for the Jets. But I am beginning to hear more and more comments about him saying there is no way he would play here. I just pray that those sources don’t have a clue about what Peyton is thinking, and there is a good possibility that is the case. In my opinion, and here we go again with the “if’s” if he is healthy and if he is open to joining the Jets, Mr T will find a way to get it done, no doubt. He may not be a master at evaluating talent, but he is a master of the salary cap.

  86. By scjoe on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I am a huge J-Co fan, but my question would be, is it viable to resign him at this point in time? Reason being we have Kerely in the slot with a huge upside, and I think they can do much, much better then J-Co if they are looking strictly for a wide out. I think a better option, all things considered would be a combination of SH (unfortunately) BE, and Kerley remaining in the slot, add another late round speedster along with Turner and a few others already on the roster and that may be the cheapest way out.

  87. By DKM on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Let me see Steve Weatherford, the guy who is considert amongst his peers in PIONEERING Special Teams and leads the NFL in Kickoff returns the last 10 years and gets constantly the most Returnyards from his Specialteams didnt know what he was doing when he voiced his opinion to release you…….mmhhhh mmmhhhh, maybe he is in the wrong profession.
    Im not saying the Org. was right by doing so, but throwing M. Westhoff under the Bus like this shows no class. I hope the next time you Kick a ball your SB ring is stuck on it.

  88. By DKM on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Hey having Brady and Manning in the same Division might also be a good thing. Look at the bright side, them being in there own way to make the PO, and a wakeup call to our FO that the room for errors in FA or the Draft has become considerably smaller. The Presure is on Baby.

  89. By DKM on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC let me correct myself it was 13 plays and 4 out of the no huddle on the Pats first TD Drive. It seem to work for them and Brady looked like he found his rythem.But still they got away from it later on.

  90. By DKM on Feb 7, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett it is also a catch he makes a million times, arccording to him and his QB, ifs dont count, when he makes it hes still the same old Wes Walker and when he doesnt he is a Bum. Figure that one out.

  91. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, no Jet fan will ever mention Mark Sanchez again if he merely goes elsewhere and becomes “respectable” IF we get the elite QB you need to win the SB. (See Cimini’s excellent “6 Lessons Jets Can Learn from SB” yesterday.) What looks foolish RIGHT NOW is (1) A failed attempt to hype a green college QB into Tom Brady overnight (2) Rex, Mr T, and sometimes Woody’s talk of Mark’s “next 10 yrs” when he’s yet to have 1 great yr, and (3) The increasing likelihood that MS isn’t a starting NFL QB. Like I’ve said, MS has a 25% chance of being great next yr and a 50% chance of being about the same or worse. What’s much more likely than sudden Sanchez stardom is Holmes going elsewhere and reverting to stardom, which is why he’ll get his money today.

  92. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    On an unrelated topic that seems rather trivial after the spectacle of a Giants-Pats SB that the Giants won, the proof that “Tebowmania” has much more to do with his personality and faith than his actual ability to play QB is that he’s already been asked if he’d ever consider running for office — and narcissistically said he might after his career is over, as opposed to politely deflecting the question. Yeah, I’m really on the edge of my seat for Tim’s take on the Keystone pipeline controversy or the threat of an Iranian nuclear bomb. Better he learns how to throw a bomb without needing the WR to have 5 yds on the DB. (Jeez, I can remember when they at least waited until a guy won a few championships before asking him such dumb questions.)

  93. By IRA on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Come on now you didn’t see me talking about a SB team this past year. I thought that window closed after they lost to Pitt and they took apart that team. I didn’t even think they could win the AFC East going into last year because the Pats you can always pencil in for 12 plus wins as long as Brady is healthy.
    Yeah they gave away picks and made other moves to make a run in 09 and 010 and they came up short each year. Now its time to rebuild and hope to be a WC team next year.
    Agree with you i would’ve drafted B. Reed considering they haven’t replaced Abraham after all these years which i still ?
    Nice to see they resigned P.Turner i think he could be a nice role WR even given playing time.
    GO JETS!!!!

  94. By IRA on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Does anybody think the Jets should go after Mario Manningham to be their #2 WR or address that spot in the draft?

  95. By GaryC on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Have to agree with Jet fan tom, this super bowl was far from exciting,not withstanding that I hate both teams,if this super bowl gets rated in the top 20 there needs to be an investigation,where was the crowd noise, it seemed the game was played in an opera house,maybe it is the way lucas oil is built,to many money people sipping their wine probably,they didn’t care who one.

  96. By Tom Spicer on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I think Joe got mad at me & does not want to come back. Just another reason that adds to my point that we all as a group sometimes get fired up & say something that we are not supposed to. When ultimately we all just want the same thing & that is for the Jets to win. I think sometimes all of us especially ME have to think before we post.

  97. By russ on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Welker making the catch would only alter score not outcome..22= 20at best//wooda shooda cooda doesnt win games….

  98. By Bennett on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    We have had Sanchez for 3 years now, allow me to repeat for those who may have missed it ( DKM you may want to skip here ) In his first 3 years he is #2 in interceptions, #2 in total turnoovers – for 2011 he is #1 in points off turnovers ranked #30 in the overall QB ratings and my favorite… the single worst QB rating for one game in history ( Ravens 2011 11-35 just over 100 yards 4 turnovers returned for 24 pts ) He has ben pampered, petted, groomed, supported, lauded, defended, stroked, made Captain and allowed to pout when wanted. He has been in commercials, photo shoots, tied to super models ( KATE UPTON FOR HEAVENS SAKE ) and made a multi -milionaire. ARE THE PATIENTS RUNNING THE ASYLUM !

  99. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, Spicer and I have sparred on this one (that’s my tip of the hat to you today, Spice), but I gotta believe Brady wasn’t close to 100% these last 2 games. First, he has a history of denying the impact of the most serious injuries. Second, I’ve never seen him miss as many passes in a yr as he did vs just BAL and in the SB. Third, I see that sportswriters, fearful of making excuses before the big game, only started referring to “Brady’s badly beaten-up shoulder” AFTER the Giants had won. Ira, the Manningham question goes to the heart of the classic Jet problem: Are we going to keep trying to patch up the team with a few FA’s or actually rebuild thru the draft? You know where I stand on that one but I’m not so sure about Woody and Mr T.

  100. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    I’ll back you up on this SB, GaryC, it wasn’t remotely in the league of the previous four, starting with the first Pats-Giants SB.

  101. By Bennett on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Oh I forgot to mention Sanchez had 9 turnovers in the last 3 games all must win and all lost. I apologize Schotty but you should have got up and said at your news conferance” their is not an Offensive Co. in the history of this game who could have a winning season with way this QB plays”

  102. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    I read a post earlier on regards to the Jets having their own stadium. I have been saying that for years. Why should we share with another NFL team? let alone play in NJ. Jets should have their own home on Long Island. Let the NJ Giants stay in NJ. Then it would be a rival NY vs. NJ as it should be. Now, before I get people in NJ upset, I have no ill will towards NJ at all. I just don’t think it makes any sense to have a team(s) called NY when you play your games in another state.

  103. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    I see that you truly support Sanchez..Why? what do you see in him that makes you think he is the “ONE”? and please don’t refer to season 1 and 2 we had a great O-line,#1 rushing attack and the #1 defense in season 1 and 2 we ranked slightly lower. This maybe his make or break year.

  104. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    15 million bucks later, Holmes is still here. Two questions for y’all: (1) After rushing foolishly to re-up Revis’ existing contract instead of playing it cool and then signing SH to a deal with such a massive amount of $ to be paid up front, is Mr T still the genius GM? (2) How much do you wanna bet that Holmes is still here when the starting Jets QB isn’t named Sanchez? Otherwise, what sense does it make to pay the guy this much cash in only the 2nd yr of his new contract when MS is coming up on his “make or break yr?” — oh yeah, I forgot, that last is always subject to review as soon as some exotic new excuse for MS’s slow growth can be dreamed up…

  105. By Bennett on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    So after reading these excellant posts from you all, except DKM, (only kidding) it seems like we really need badly a T, TE, WR. maybe 2 S’s, RB, MLB, OLB, DE, A new #2 QB, not to mention a decent backup center amoung other important backups. What in the heck happened to this team? How are we going to fill all these without scrub as Jet 64 puts it ?

  106. By robertpapalia on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Great news Jets fans. The Jets are KEEPING Holmes!!!!!! Now we really have something to look forward to next season. Get ready to blow your brains out. It won`t be long before we here about dissension in the locker room. And guess who will be in the middel of it ? Nice going Tanny and Rex.

  107. By DKM on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, just like switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 it cost to much time (2 years) and money to convert, most teams need to go out and find the right players to work in there system, trust me D. Harris will not be on this Team if Rex would convert today and if, he certainly would not be as productive as in a 3-4.

  108. By Bennett on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer nothing wrong about getting fired up thats what fans do. Everyone should know it’s all in good fun. I like to argue anyway and I like to read the back and forth People with out strong opinions are boring anyway

  109. By scjoe on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I think Manningham is an option, maybe not a top priority, but an option. If they address that need in free agency I would rather see a Colston a V. Jackson or even BE first because of that size to go along with SH. I think BE would probably come the cheapest.

  110. By scjoe on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Karen, The Patriots are loyal to their vets? Are we talking about the same Patriots team? Seymor, Moss, Branch (1st time) Vrable, Merriweather, Sameul? The list goes on and on.

  111. By DKM on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    I have to disagree JFS 64. If Mark would go, and thats just assuming, to another Team and made something out of his Career, you would not be dissapointent that he couldnt do it here, cause i would be and screaming on top of it. You absolutely right about the fact that they hyped him up something to be he his not (Brady). But you and i now that from the beginning at least i did cause there will be only one Brady ever, and no at this Point he will not be here for 10 years or even 10 Month, if the 25% likelyhood you give him being a good QB, improve to 75%. But remember there is no ifs. So unless this completely blows up in our face i will stick with him, and you certainly aloud to give me a lesson how to look at QBs from than on.

  112. By Tom Spicer on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    IRA, I love the Mario Manningham idea & I will tell you why. 1 25 years old in his prime or about to be in his prime. Not your typical Jet free agent signing where we get the old guy past there prime. 2 Fast vertical threat with good hands & not a guy who is a headache 3 Do not let this years numbers fool you he missed games with a knee injury & a concussion. He never got his job back cause Victor Cruz blew up. 4 The Giants are not going to spend major money on a #3 WR 5 We can offer him a starting spot that the Giants can not & he does not have to move to a new city 6 Last year 944 yards & 9 TDS the kid is a player 10 At 25 he will be with us long term

  113. By DKM on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Listen every Journalist has his right to express his Opinion and thats exactly what this is, a guy like Cimini is just a fear mongerer among regular Jets fans, and thats what he is writing for, the casual Jetfan and bandwagon jumpers who attendet the Parade yesterday incl. him. The real Fan who looks deep into the Jets knows the schmierr he writes down is only to make make us wish that Randy had his Place. At least that would seriously make me buy an subscribtion. Thats the guy who was the biggest Favre Fan when he came here, and loved Mangini to no end, and almost had an Hate Spree when they lost there last 5 Games, and totaly missed the point afterwords that Mangini didnt wanted that QB. So take it with a grain of Salt.

  114. By DKM on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    You Know what, lets just move on, i like J-CO, but lets just stop with recycling Players, Ira i think we can do better than Manningham, how about Gholston, cheaper too, since Mario will demand above his worth after that catch in the SB.

  115. By DKM on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer respect Brother. You good blooger opinions are opinions they should not hurt anybody they only words and carry only as much Power as we give them, if any body is offended then they doing this to themselfs, you shouldnt be apolagiezing.

  116. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Please tell me you meant COLSTON and not GHOLSTON. Because that guy was such a waste of money all because the Jets scouting dept. saw tape of him beating Jake long. Now if you meant Colston..he’s from Hofstra local product of LI, Kid is in his prime right now. But scjoe had a good point getting BE back will be cheaper and he is familiar with Sanchez (If he is our starting QB this year). I do believe we can draft a WR in the later rounds. Something about those Michigan WR’s…Manningham and Edwards

  117. By GaryC on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    DKM,if jets switched to a 4 3 I believe Harris would be an excellent middle linebacker and Maybin can be an excellent weakside backer with some added weight and keeping his speed.right now without looking at the draft the jets might have more talent up front then in the linebackers. dixon, wilkerson, ropati,ellis,pouha, devito, tevasua are better than Pace, Thomas, westermann and such.

  118. By GaryC on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    concerning the draft,I still will look for that 6’4 230 pound wideout,that’s why I will look at Jeffrey from south carolina and Quick and McNutt,even though Wright of Baylor is super fast, the jets already have smurf receivers, and also stay away from Michael Floyd of Notre dame,who is injury prone and has some personal issue, where have we heard that before concerning a jet pick.

  119. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    List of Restricted FA for the Jets:
    TE Matthew Mulligan- GONE (not soon enough)
    LB Aaron Maybin- Staying
    LB Jamaal Westerman- 50/50
    CB Marquice Cole- GONE
    QB Mark Brunell- GONE (see Mulligan)
    QB Kevin O’Connell- 50/50
    RB LaDainian Tomlinson – GONE
    WR Plax – GONE
    OL Robert Turner – Staying
    DT Sione Pouha – Staying
    LB Bryan Thomas – Gone
    CB Donald Strickland – Gone
    S Jim Leonhard – 50/50 (depending on injury/paycut)
    S Brodney Pool – 50/50 (depending on paycut)
    K Nick Folk – 50/50

  120. By GaryC on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    look you can get Garcon from the colts instead of Manningham,I’ll take that.

  121. By Bennett on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Allan : We had are own stadium. I’m old enought to have fond memories of games at good ole Shea. I remember being in the stands on a sunny,cold Sunday with a packed house and the great, freindly crowd and believe me that place use to rock, doesn.t get any better. than that. Somehow we let them end up in another state in another teams stadium. I do rememer Hess being very upset with the conditions especially the bathrooms at good ole Shea. The bathroom situation was atrocious to say the least.

  122. By scjoe on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Correct me if I am wrong Spicer, but I believe Manningham did have off field issues coming out of college. Either way, SH is your deep threat and you need a little more size on the other side like BE, V. Jackson or Colston, all of those are still in their prime as well.

  123. By scjoe on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, Tell me why Harris would not be effective as a MLB in a 4-3? Not that the Jets are going to do that anytime soon. But give me one good reason why you think he is not a good fit in a 4-3.

  124. By Tom Spicer on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I like Manningham as a option cause I think he is the most realistic option. I dont think the Jets will bring back Braylon cause that would be admitting they made a mistake by letting him go. Also I dont think we are signing Colston or Vincent Jackson cause we would have to break the bank to do so & I do not think the Jets are looking to have the highest paid WR core in the entire NFL.

  125. By wayne on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Boys Manningham would be good if he was willing to take 3rd WR money, which will not happen…..Watched him since Michigan days. Will make big catches, but can’t stay on field…..NOT THE ANSWER…..Still trying to catch a shooting star…..Not here….Get a couple of speed guys. Develop them…..Guess what, that’s how other teams do it…..Novel idea…………………………NOT A GQ FAN FROM BEGINNING, BUT HIM SUCCEEDING IS BEST SCENARIO FOR THIS TEAM…..I THINK SOME JETAHOLICS ARE HOOKED ON CHANGE….Besides, Woody, T and Rex are Jonesing for SB 2014, Peyton’s not coming and they’re not blowing everything up……So sit tight….Now if the wheels come off Marky Marky 2012, then all bets are off.

  126. By Tom Spicer on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, Lets look at from all sides Mark was sacked 4 times vs the Eagles & Holmes gave away 2 TDS that game. Vs the Giants he was sacked 5 times & vs Miami he was sacked 3 times.

  127. By wayne on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, good point……………………………Spicer, you should be gettin’ paid for protecting GQ’s blindside….Sometimes you make me want to pull out my short hairs, but gotta hand to ya……………Hope GQ show’s up and shows out…..It’s time.

  128. By Another Tom on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    I like FA’s Calais Campbell as our new pass rusher..and also WR Brandon Lloyd would fit in nicely. Holmes, Kerley, Lloyd and Turner would be formidable. All of are other holes can be filled thru draft choices..Manning would command respect and the team would certainly rally around Him ..I wouldnt be suprised if He lands here…

  129. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Allan, that’s me harping on a Jets stadium and unless we turn it around in NJ with a few SB wins, it’ll happen because the current situation will become too embarrassing. It’s totally unprecedented in modern pro sports for 2 teams to share a stadium when one’s a frequent champion and the other is a joke. Good pts on Manningham, Spice, but I also agree with scjoe about Colston and Jackson but not about BE. DKM, if we get a top-flight QB, not even an elite one, Sanchez will have to make more than “something” of himself elsewhere for anyone to cry any tears. I agree with you about Cimini often seeming to root against the Jets but this yr he was just too on the money about the many problems of this org to be ignored. Also agree about J-Co.

  130. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, study Jets history, there’s been very little change on fundamental levels, that’s why some of us who’ve been around from the start are ready to “blow up the boxes,” as my former governor out here in CA said. We’ve almost never built patiently thru the draft, almost never hired a HC and given him FO clout (we like first-time HC’s who talk big but can’t coach), and as Walker has said (and gotten banished from the Ring for saying), we’ve had little deep threat at WR for over 20 yrs. And please explain what “Woody, T, and Rex are jonesing for SB 2014″ means. I’m as down with street talk from the ’50s to the present as anybody but this Jet team is to the 2014 SB as Lawrence Welk is to Lenny Bruce. Funny about the Shea bathrooms, Bennett!

  131. By GaryC on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply


  132. By robertpapalia on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    News flash. The Jets are bringing back Wayne Hunter. That should make Mark Sanchez feel good.

  133. By wayne on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, totally and completely disagree with your assessment on spygate….That stain will remain until Pats start playing they type of defense they played prior to the revelation of their cheating….And until they win another SB……I for one will refer to it every year they come close and fall short……………Belichick was a disaster as an HC until he got to NE and the cheating commenced….

  134. By Karan on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Allan, I see him as the ONE because I’ve seen what the guy has done in the playoffs. He has that will to win. He has been guided by the wrong coaches in Schottenheimer, but thankfully, that buffoon is now gone. Sanchez should improve. He’s not the best in the regular season though, that much, we all know, but hey, the guy is young and don’t forget Eli Manning was like this his first coupe of years, everyone wanted his head, now the same is happening to Sanchez. I may be dead wrong, but I myself truly believe this kid is the future. I understand everyone has different opinions, but Sanchez truly deserves another chance with better coaches, I hope Sparano can be that coach.

  135. By scjoe on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, you make an excellent point about the D line talent compared to the LBs Lets be honest, the only quality we have there is Harris and Maybin IF he is placed in the right situations. That said, you will probably not be seeing any 4-3 alignments (as a base anyway) anytime soon, not as long as Rex is HC.

  136. By scjoe on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    For the few who think it will take a few years for the Jets to “rebuild” for the lack of a better term. I strongly disagree. Consider the Jets signing Peyton with an incentive laced contract, signing a #2 receiver thru free agency, a serviceable RT through free agency, then hit a home run in the 1st rd with a pass rushing OLB and a formidable safety in the 2nd rd. Not to mention anything beyond that. Don’t sound like an impossible scenario by any stretch does it? It can happen. It did happen last season for the Bengals. A rookie QB a rookie WR a brand new offensive system and look what they accomplished in one off season. Never say never my friend. Not in today’s NFL.

  137. By scjoe on Feb 8, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, don’t rule out the resigning of BE. That would probably be the best move they can make as far as the WR position is concerned. I don’t think many teams will be breaking down his door to offer him big time money, so he wont break the bank. Plus he proved worthy in his time here. He has everything needed to be that #2 WR, size, speed, and blocking ability. All things considered that would work out well. That said, I do have to agree about admitting their mistake, the politics of the game is most unfortunate.

  138. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Which of you guys was it who corrected me to say that Sanchez doesn’t know how to handle the big stage, only to enjoy it? I know it’s a free country and you can date anyone you want. But if I played as poorly down the stretch as MS did last yr, I wouldn’t be shuttling supermodels in and out of a NYC hotel. (Like I said, he can easily find a chick who just looks like a supermodel and isn’t a celebrity) But because he did that, a piece on whether Kate Upton gets the SI swimsuit cover intros her as “Mark Sanchez’s girlfriend.” I guess I’m old-fashioned but I thought you only go public with this kind of stuff after you’ve maybe won the Super Bowl, like with Joe. At any rate, this isn’t at all the kind of publicity MS or the Jets need right now.

  139. By IRA on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    I wouldn’t go crazy speculating free agency for the Jets. According to reports they are in over their heads as of today with the cap and unless they start to restucture contracts and [they will] release some players to make room i think they will sign a few but really look to have a good draft. So trading down to get back a few extra picks would seem like the right move. Build a team with some good young players. Oh btw the Pats i believe have 6 picks in the 1st three rds again. Only trouble with that is BB has not drafted well the past few years. With all the picks they have had he should have a more complete team on both sides of the ball.

  140. By Tom Spicer on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    I read this about the Jets on a site I read
    “Biggest need: Antidote to the locker room poison
    Rex Ryan enters the 2012 offseason squarely on the hot seat. It certainly doesn’t help that his offense sits in no-man’s land with a regressing quarterback, a locker room cancer at No. 1 receiver, a pedestrian ground game, and a deteriorating offensive line. In addition to playing peacemaker, Ryan must team with GM Mike Tanenbaum to replace Plaxico Burress, add a backfield playmaker, and infuse the offensive line with young talent while adding a sorely-needed pass rusher and safety on defense.”

  141. By Tom Spicer on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets could have sent a message yesterday by cutting Holmes & they did not. I would not have bothered me at all if he got cut. Now he is guarneteed over $15 MIL he will be on the team for the next 2 years no matter what. I pray this guy cleans up his act.

  142. By Tom Spicer on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    This is the # 1 news I DID NOT WANT TO HEAR I HATE THIS GUY! Jets RT Wayne Hunter’s $2.45 million base salary became guaranteed Wednesday because the team did not release him. The Jets seemed to protect themselves in Hunter’s 2011 contract by writing in a loophole to get out of the deal if they released him on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday of this week. It never happened. Hunter, 30, was a media whipping boy in his first season as a starter, and for good reason. Pro Football Focus graded Hunter as the fifth-worst offensive tackle in football. Considering his salary, Hunter figures to return as a starter in 2012.

  143. By Tom Spicer on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, Manningham did have problems in college but not sunce he has been a pro.

  144. By Tom Spicer on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, No thanks on Lyold I want nobody over 30 & he is 32. I am done with the Jets getting at the end of the line / over the hill free agents. Unless your name is Peyton YOU BETTER be 28 or under.

  145. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, we can debate Sanchez’s pocket presence all day long — or rather, some folks on this site can, I say it’s weak for a 3rd-yr QB — but for me it all comes down to arm strength and that includes any comparison to Eli, whose arm strength was never in question. They say a man decides if a woman is attractive to them in about 30 seconds and a woman decides about a man in more like two minutes. I’m not sure about those figures but I know that I was on target about MS’s questionable arm strength when I watched him at USC but I fell for Rex’s hype, which is one reason I won’t fall for anything Rex ever says again. MS either has to build his arm into a cannon or prepare himself for David Carr status.

  146. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Does anyone know if the Jets hired a new QB coach yet?
    Karen, I respect your view on Sanchez and if the Jets don’t pull the trigger on a FA QB then I hope McElory pushes Mark to be better. As a long suffering Jet fan going through the Todds, Nagles, O’Donnells it’s tough. Spicer I’m with you on the getting younger at WR, Turner and Kerley could be the future. Wayne hunter is a career backup plain and simple. We Get Rob Turner back at RT slide slauson over and we should be ok on the Oline. As far as Holmes is concerned, he’s a playmaker that needs to be put in his place and know that the team comes first. Couldn’t see the Jets swallow that 7.5mil.

  147. By IRA on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Hunter will surely have competition this summer probably a rookie they drafted or another veteran. I have no problem with this. Did he have a bad year? Yes sir but he alone was not the problem with the OL. It was a collective bad year by the entire bunch except for Moore. Hunter played very well in 2010 and i want to see what Sparano can do with him. Even if he doesn’t start he is a solid character guy this team can use for sure as a backup. Glad they kept him.

  148. By Bennett on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Karan : We blamed Schotty, Ryan, Mulligan and Hunter, we blamed the O line coach, the QB coach, the recievers coach, the O line, the tight ends and the recievers, We blamed the play calling, the game plans, the sacks, the slow starting offense, the defered kickoffs and eveybody and everything else except the real problem… the Quarterback. It’s time we take a good hard look at the QB. the pampered, spoiled, franchise days are over either produce or get some one who can and get him out of this town. No one has ever taken the time, and sadly this includes the Jets themselves, to see how really bad this kid is

  149. By Bennett on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Allan Excellant list, much appreciated and spot on. This is exactley why I love this site

  150. By Bennett on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer Your point is taken but man I still can’t stop thinking about the extreme pounding Eli took from the Niners and still made the plays and won the game. Now thats a tough sum’ gun Quaterback in a frail kind of looking package

  151. By wayne on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, Jetaholics wishing on a shooting star again……………..They’re confused. They’re even now defending the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS…..Shame on you for even wanting them to win…..I wasn’t born a Jet fan…..It was always the Rangers. Weirdest possibility for a “tall guy” from a warm colony in the Caribbean. Closet thing to soccer, I guess…..But been rooting for this team for 40yrs, come this season. Tire of this star chasing foolishness. PICK SOME DAMN PLAYERS AND COACH EM UP. OR GET SOMEONE THAT CAN………….JETAHOLICS WANT ANOTHER OFFSEASON CHAMPIONSHIP.

  152. By Frank on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Ira I already pointed out our cap issues but no one is listening we will not be making any major splashes and every single year I say the same thing STOP TRYING TO BUY A TEAM IT DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    How mant times over the years did I say and get angry with the way TanWoody continually dumps players without getting anything in return, waste draft picks….HELLO MEMO TO TANWODDY PICK THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT BY NEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That is why the Gianst are so successful and the Pats, Ravens, Steelers etc.
    Our best option is to go after Braylon he is big and stretches the field and with the injury…price wise he might be our only option. We won’t have the money for M.Williams who would be a great fit.

  153. By Frank on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    As for Manningham thats right Spicer he did have character issues coming out of college. He was a projected first rounder but slide down to the third he was another guy during draft day that I suggested we pick as he was sliding down the board. Just like I did last year while Mallet was sliding down the board. I would have loved to see Mallet pushing Sanchize-Not for the starting job next year.

  154. By wayne on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    TSpice, Jets still are in need of offensive linemen. Before they start discarding any of them, how bout seeing if they can get one or two to replace them? Manningham is not starting material. He’s going to break down often…Holmes problem will be fixed because it has to be…………………..IRA, I TOLD YOU BOYS WAY BEFORE LAST YEAR STARTED THAT THIS TEAM WAS NOT PICKING UP PLAYERS BECAUSE THEY HAD CAP PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The capologist GM strikes again. More of a reason why they won’t win this year’s off season champeen……….Don’t be so quick to drop players boys, you’re team might not be able to replace them….Unless you still believe Rex is the Pied Piper.

  155. By GaryC on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    I said in a previous post Peyton is going to Arizona to team with fitzgerald and to have the arizona sun beating on his neck to massage it,you couldn’t have it any other way for a spoiled athlete.He was pouting that the colts were making so many changes and that they have the audacity to bring in Andrew Luck,Mannings, typical elitist family.

  156. By wayne on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    64, I completely understand. EVERY OUNCE OF IT. Still trying to figure out Walt Michaels. Only reason I have a different take is because I totally disconnected from this team emotionally. It’s the constant recycling of the same that causes Jetaholics to pull their hair out…..You’ve heard it a million times over; insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result…I know the Giants have done it, the Islanders did it, but I’ve never seen it up close and personal until it all came to together for the Rangers(regardless of how it ends). THEY BUILT A TEAM. I WATCHED LAST 3YRS WHILE FANS COMPLAINED AS GM ACQUIRED PICKS AND MADE GOOD SELECTIONS. THEN FILLED IN WITH HERE AND THERE WITH FAs. Do a new thing. PLS.

  157. By Matt on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Congrats Mr. Martin you were a great player for the JETS.. Now on to my rant PLEASE DRAFT UPSHAW OR INGRAM(LBS) MCNUTT(WR) AARON HENRY(FS) we need some Hall famers more importantly superbowls

  158. By wayne on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Can’t have FAs come in and be your leaders. They’re vagabonds by nature. The place they thought would be their home told them they’re not wanted. Strictly business. So it makes all the sense in the world that FAs have that kind of mindset..Leaders must be homegrown. But that won’t happen if team continues to make wooing FAs the top priority while letting good, tough players walk, while chasing FAs. Not the type of culture that fosters loyalty or breeds winning. At least not long term winning….Wish you guys were right and Peyton came. would good 4 GQ. Just as having Favre around would have. I think a great deal of what Aaron Rodgers has become was because he got to watch Brett operate. But present culture is why Peyton’s not coming.

  159. By DKM on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry Spicer Loyld wasnt 1 of my sugsestions.

  160. By DKM on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Allan O of course Colston not Gholston sorry my bat.

  161. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Spice, I’m afraid that quote from the site you reprinted pretty much sums it up, though I’d add we need speed and strength at LB, too. For those who think Rex is a great HC just because we got to two AFC championships under him and lost, you’ll be able to judge how good he is by what he does next yr and, if he’s lucky enough to stick around, the yr after. Everybody would like to have the ideal draft picks and FAs but you gotta work with what you have and Rex shows few signs of doing that well on that level. Indeed, he often doesn’t seem to know who has promise and who doesn’t and sticks with mediocre players out of some kind of emotional loyalty rather than on the basis of their talent. Well, he won’t get long to keep doing that…

  162. By DKM on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC and scjoe here is why he wouldnt be on the Jets, #1 too slow, #2 too tall, #3 to heavy, 255 lbs, 6’2, and 4.8 is a prototypical MLB perfect to play in a 3-4, thats why he is one of the best right now in that position , he sthought and hits like Mack Truck, fills holes better than anybody in the game right now and his Blocking skills, outstanding, go ask any coach they tell you, however thats everything opposite you need to play Sam,Will, and especialely Mike. Coaches prefer small, quick and agile guys with cover skills. Dont forget in 4-3 you need to cover more as LB.

  163. By scjoe on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, not cutting Holmes clearly shows the politics of the NFL and the NY Jets that I have spoken about over and over again. That is the only reason he still has a roster spot, not because it is what is best for the NY Jets or because he is an elite WR it is political and it is financial PERIOD!

  164. By scjoe on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    If the story on Wayne Hunter is true Spicer it clearly shows the ineptness of this front office. If pro football focus rated Hunter as the fifth worse OT in the league I don’t even want to know who number 1-4 are. As inept as this FO appears to be at times, It would be a complete and total shock to see this player in a starting roll in 2012. To pay him 2.45 mil is a complete joke and beyond comprehension, and aside from Wayne Hunter “and” Mike Tannenbaum,I defy one other person on the planet do dispute that point

  165. By scjoe on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I disagree. You will see the Jets dive in to free agency. I am not saying they are going in and make major splashes, but they will dive in. As for the cap? You know as well as I that those figures can change in a matter of hours. Look for the Jets to sign a few second tier FAs prior to the draft.

  166. By DKM on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    There was no way we would have let go of Holmes there was to much Money attached to it, they knew that when they signed him last year they put all there eggs in 1 basket. Even if you find a trade partner thats like releasing him all the Bonus Money counts against the cap, so better patch things up or hes going to be a expensive no show we cant afford.

  167. By scjoe on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Karen, how in the world do you come up with an assessment like “we all know MS is not very good in the regular season, but he has the will to win in the post season??” Like this past season, what the h-ll good is it to “have that will to win in the post season” if you don’t get there because of your horrible play in the regular season? Once again, because of the politics of this team and this league Sanchez will probably be the starting QB for this team on opening day, not because of his play and not because he gives the NY Jets the best chance to win. It is strictly and definitively politics. What a shame, especially for long time Jet fans.

  168. By DKM on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer i know you dont like it but its a smart move, it is only Salary thats owend to him wich does not count against the cap if you have to cut him down the road, bring in and see what hes got doing the Offseason, did he improve somewhat to be a vaiable Backup if not you can always cut him down the road, Teams dont need to be under the cap right now and can sign whoever they want regardless of the cap limit you just need to be under it when the time comes, and if Hunter isnt worth it we save 2.5 Mil, cause remember Teams like to have some wiggle room till after the first OTAs to see who else they can save on , and there is sometimes some really good players to be had.

  169. By scjoe on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Time for a little draft speculation and/or conversation. There are the usual suspects out there for the picking at #16, Upshaw, DeCastro, Ingram, Barron, Glenn, and maybe Poe should Pouha and Ellis not return. But the one player who would make an immediate impact, should he fall, or even trade up a few spots for, would be Trent Richardson. He would give this offense, and this team the shot in the arm that it so desperately needs like no other player available. And that would be especially true if MS is still the starting QB. Another option, same results, trade down a few spots for Lamar Miller (RB Miami) In fact that may even be the best option.

  170. By robertpapalia on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    No question about it. Rex Ryan will be on the hot seat this year. If this team regresses to under .500 this upcoming year, Rex could be on his way out. Also if Mark Sanchez doesn`t show alot of improvement he could be on the way out. This know doubt coincides with the fate of Rex. Stay tuned. P.S. it might be a hat trick with Tanny, Rex, and Sanchez being shown the door.

  171. By Tom Spicer on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Appearing on Bill Simmons’ BS Report, NFL Network’s Mike Lombardi said people who are catching Peyton Manning’s (neck surgeries) passes as he rehabs say Manning not only lacks velocity, but can’t throw to his left.
    “He can’t throw the ball,” said Lombardi. “I’ve talked to people who’ve caught the ball for him. He can’t throw the ball to his left. He can’t throw the ball across his body, because he doesn’t feel it. People that catch the ball for him say he doesn’t really have velocity on the ball yet.” Lombardi is skeptical of any franchise hinging its hopes on Manning. The hope, of course, is that Manning will regain feeling in his arm as the nerve regenerates

  172. By Tom Spicer on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    ESPN New York’s Rich Cimini suggests the Jets’ decision to guarantee RT Wayne Hunter’s 2012 base salary reflects poorly on former second-round pick Vladimir Ducasse.
    The Jets probably would have released Hunter, freeing up $2.45 million, if they believed Ducasse could provide an upgrade. Hunter was horrible in 2011, allowing a team-high 8.5 sacks and committing a club-most 11 penalties. The 61st overall pick in the 2010 draft, Ducasse is quickly shaping up as a bust

  173. By Bennett on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Most of us agree an elite QB can make you winners and even champs with a below average even a fairly bad team ala Peyton “one man team” Manning. It then stands to reason an above average and even a good team can be losers with a bad QB. Were the Jets really that bad or did the just look that bad because the QB play has such a dominant effect on the games. Many bring up the O line, it sure looked bad to me but with what… 3 pro-bowlers… maybe… just maybe the QB had something to do with it. Just look at the quick reads and lighting fast release of a elite like Brady and even Eli and compare

  174. By Bennett on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer your post on Ducasse is exactly why, if possible, we have to be aggresiive as we can in the free agency market. We need starters ready do go. Not 3 year projects and future practice squad members. Wilkerson was a good one surprised he lasted to 30 but these Gholsons and Ducasse picks just can’t happen anymore. We haven’t got the luxury of trying to develope raw talent. Who ever posted you pick the best regardless of need made a very good point

  175. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    We can all point out that from both sides of the ball we didn’t play at a high level. But just like Schotty..Mike P. better get his act together with his defensive calls too. Those long drives we gave up for game winning scores fell on his shoulders…Have someone fake an injury, fall down..do something to stop the other teams momentum. I just feel as team the Jets were just not good enough. Rex thinks he has the players to back up all that bravdo..SORRY…can you name one Jet on the defense that plays with a nasty edge? Besides Scott. Look at the top 4 defenses. Houston-Ravens-Steelers-49er’s. Those teams have guys that play with nasty intentions. They are coached to have controlled chaos. The Giants have an outstanding front 4.

  176. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    They too play with an edge. Just look at these 2 LB on youtube. Upshaw from Bama and Vontaze from AZ. These are the types of players we need. Just look at Willis from SF..This guy is a BEAST..a younger ray lewis who hits like Butkus. Just maybe we can draft a S in the later rounds and develop him. We can address the pass rush via FA. But if you want to talk the talk..you need players to walk the walk. And you don’t even need to say much. Because I tell you this..when the offense knows they are going to play SF,Texans,Steelers and the Ravens..they already know to get the Ice tubs ready..

  177. By Tom Spicer on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I wasnt just talking about Hunters performance the major reason why I thought he was going to go was cause that $2.5 MIL that we are talking about if he was cut. Would have counted for $0 ZERO against the cap as per nyjetscap.com. So to me not only did I think he would have been the 1st to go I thought he was guarenteed TO GO!

  178. By Frank on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett I am glad you are picking up the slack on Sanchize-Not I have been saying it since we drafted him I hated the pick and I do not like him as a QB and I am worn out talking about it. Spicer Brick had 9.5 sacks Cimini is wrong in any case Hunter has shown he can play better and played well in spurts. He will do better with a complete offseason as the starter. Ducasse is a disaster and should have been cut already. He is a case in point just like Ellis last year of TanWoody drafting based on need instead of the best player available. They need to stop this nonsense and start drafting better players and 64 I have said it ad nuseasum Rex is clueless when it comes to talent and personell everything he puts his hand into stinks.

  179. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Teams have to fear us when they come to Metlife.They have to know that when we come to play it’s going to be a long..long day. It’s just not good enough to for the other team to say “stay away from #24″. I just hope that when it comes to FA the Jets choose wisely and draft players that fit our needs. Don’t trade for sexy picks or Big splash via FA. Get players that want to play football. That are about Team first. And just as I said a few posts ago..Giving this Sanchez-Rex-Mike P.- Tanny thing 1 more year. If all goes to H-LL, hope we get enough supporters for Bill Cowher…

  180. By wayne on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Laugh when Jets fandom pooh pooh the cap situation. If it’s no problem, then why is the capologist having so much trouble with it? Why don’t they just drop Hunter and Holmes like bad habits? It is a problem and it will affect what they can do this summer……Of course they’ll make pickups,THEY HAVE TO, but they won’t be making any mega splashes…………..They’ll be doing what I’d hope they’d a been doing long before now. But they’ll be doing so out of necessity, and not by choice.

  181. By Tom Spicer on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, Maybe I did not make myself clear on the Hunter thing. If Wayne Hunter was not cut by Wednesday 2/8/2012 he is GUAREENTED to make $2.5 MIL off of us NO MATTER WHAT it says so in his contract. Even if we cut him he still gets paid no matter when we cut him. Unfortunately since we did not cut him he is guarnted to be on this team next year cause we are not paying someone $2.5 MIL to sit home & watch TV. Also we probably are not paying someone that kind of money to sit the bench. So more than liekly he will start for us again next year.

  182. By MIKE on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Manningham is a #2WR. He was the #2 until Victor Cruz blew up. As for Jackson and Colston, these guys play with All Pro QB’s not QB like Sanchez. Unrealistic to expect 100 catches out of these guys from MS. Any WR playing for the Jets better get used to having a 60 catch season with the ground and pound back. Would love to see Manningham signed.

  183. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, Frank, and robertpapalia, the Jets need more fans like you who can see the truth and handle it, to paraphrase Jack in A FEW GOOD MEN. Rex is a joke as a HC, Sanchez probably isn’t a quality starting NFL QB, and the hat trick of unloading both of them and Mr T next yr would be the dream Christmas present.

  184. By Gabriel on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    I am so glad tom 64 isn’t an owner of a team or coaches cause the franchise and team would go downhil so quickly. I’m really glad he isn’t the owner of the Jets or coach or anything. Just a negavtive same old Jets fan. Almost sounding like Rich Cimini who loves bashing the Jets. Anyways I am so Happy that Curtis Martin is in the Hall of Fame, He is all about Class and being Christian! All he did was help others and work hard in everything. I still wear his number to this day. One of the greatest players to ever wear a Jet uniform and one of the greatest to ever play the game. Curtis martin you rock! GO JETS!

  185. By scjoe on Feb 9, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, you are kidding me right? You are saying Harris is to tall and to slow to play the MLB position in a 4-3? His responsibilities in the 3-4 as an ILB require him to play TEs and RBs coming out of the backfield just as much or more then they would in a 4-3

  186. By 40 year fan on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    We never had a running back like Curtis Martin…He truly was something very special ..He was like a well tuned ferrari going up against some honda civics . I feel lucky to have been able to see him play..

  187. By 40 year fan on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ducasse is the worst football player I have ever seen ..I am just going to leave it at that .

  188. By 40 year fan on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    We should try and make a deal for Matt Leinhart ..He was a better QB than Sanchez ..And there is nothing like some friendly competition. Sanchez has done great in his first two years . We simply did not have right coach at offensive coordinator. I like our chances with one of Parcells’ guys ..

  189. By scjoe on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, the answer to that puzzle is.. Hunter is bad, Ducasse is worse, if that is at all possible. What is even worse is what that says about the rest of the b/u O linemen on the roster. Is there not even one of them good enough to challenge either of those two for the starting job? It looks like the answer to that is clearly NO!

  190. By GaryC on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, please grow up, who cares if new england would have won,If the jets are any good they don’t have to fear any team,let’s get into some mature thinking,As for the people who say Harris can’t play in a 4 3,give me a break again,you mean he could not play in the 60′s or 70′s when they weren’t running the 3 4.I guess Deacon Jones or Claude Humphrey couldn’t play today because they were 260 pound defensive ends.

  191. By IRA on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Trading away picks for veterans has finally caught up with them. Not going to question trading up for Revis and Harris and you can throw Keller into that mix. But the 07 and 08 draft has only produced 3 those 3 players. After the trades they ended up with only 10 picks combined in those 2 years and 7 of those picks are not on the team. It has now caught up to them.

  192. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Mel Kiper has Ravens taking Vontaze Burfict from AZ. This is the LB the Jets need! if Upshaw is gone. Ravens feel that this is the guy to take over for Lewis. Now if the Ravens ( who should know something about LB ) want him, that should tell you something about Burfict. This guy plays the game as it should be played. If the Jets have a chance to grab him they should. What a Tandem Harris and Burfict could make!.My wish list for that LB corp
    Maybin-Harris-Burfict-B.Scott / Can Bart play OLB? I don’t think we can land M.Williams

  193. By GaryC on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Peyton Mannning still crying, that is why he didn’t want to come out of college to play for Parcells, the Manning clan would not have final say on everything like they have had the last 12 years with the colts.Parcells would have told them to s – - – – it.

  194. By russ on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Jets are like the Mets, they just wear their helmuts longer..

  195. By scjoe on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Lets put the cap situation into perspective. The NY Jets have approximately 25 players who are do an average of about 425,000 for the 2012 season. Lets call these 25 or so players the second half of the roster. If you do the math it will show that is more then 10mil in salaries. So, if ALL were released, and of course that will not happen, but for the sake of argument if all were released there is more then 10 mil in cap savings. Now, the “dead money” combined for all of them totals less then 1 mil that equals more then 9mil saved. Bottom line? There will be cap room especially when you factor in restructures for the first half of the roster.

  196. By robertpapalia on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Why the Jets would give Hunter the bonus money is unfathomable. Even a person who is just an average football fan can see he is terrible. The Jets must bring in somebody else for that rt position. Either through free agency or the draft. They simply can`t live with another year with this guy at rt. A prescription for getting your qb seriously hurt.

  197. By Tom Spicer on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Allan O’Dane, Scott can play OLB at one point in his career he was the starting OLB for the Ravens.

  198. By Tom Spicer on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Harris can play 4 – 3 MLB he played it at Michigan. If anything he would be a better player & s numbers would go thru the roof in a 4 – 3. A 3 – 4 D is one where it is more of a team concept & guys tend to put up lower numbers. The 3 -4 lineman take up blovkers letting the LB’S make plays. The 3 -4 OLBS provide the pass rush. In a 4 – 3 the rush comes from the DE’S & the big tackle numbers are put up by the middle & weakside LB’S.

  199. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    That’s fine, Gabriel, you go on living in ancient history with Curtis Martin, I’ll stick to doing what I can to encourage even the remote possibility that the Jets can ever become a contender again. As for Christians, if Jesus suffered thru Jets seasons seats for more than a yr or 2, it would be “Jesus with an ax” that you’d see at MetLife, as fed up with this mediocre team and organization as the rest of us. He’d have some things to say about inept moneychangers like Mr T, too. (“Render unto Holmes that which is Holmes’.”)

  200. By Chicago Bob on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Randy, any idea what has happened to Karl Dunbar? I thought it was almost a slam dunk that he was coming to the Jets however (unless I missed it) I have not seen anything formally announcing it. I believe they offered him the job however I wasn’t sure if he accepted it.

  201. By Randy Lange on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Chicago Bob, I’ve got nothing yet on Karl Dunbar but we’ll have something on the coaching staff soon.

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