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Into the Offseason and the Schedule Ahead

Posted by Andrew LeRay on February 10, 2012 – 1:46 pm

With Super Bowl XLVI in the books, the 2011 NFL season has come to a close. Although the next regular-season game wont be until September, there is still plenty to look forward to for Jets fans this offseason. The Jets have yet to release dates on their own calendar and we’ll get them to you as soon as we have them. Following are dates and events along the league’s timeline in the coming months.

Feb. 22-28 — NFL Scouting Combine

Over 300 prospects for the 2012 draft have been invited to and will participate in the combine workouts at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis. The combine is a proving ground for NFL hopefuls as their on- and off-the-field skills are evaluated.

March 5 — Deadline to Apply Franchise Tag

Each team can apply a franchise tag to any one player who would otherwise become an unrestricted free agent on March 13. This player is then tendered a one-year contract with his current team worth the cap percent average for players at his position. The Jets most recently franchised LB David Harris prior to the 2011 season before the sides negotiated a four-year extension in August.

March 13, 4 p.m. — Free Agency Begins

This is the earliest date that teams can sign free agents. There are two types of free agents: unrestricted and restricted. Unrestricted free agents have accrued four or more seasons in the NFL and are free to negotiate with any of the league’s 32 clubs. Restricted free agents have accrued three seasons in the league and are still subject to right-of-first-refusal or draft choice compensation in favor of their former teams. The right of first refusal gives a team the ability to match an offer made to a player by another franchises.

Here are the potential free agents who played for the Jets this past season:

Unrestricted

QB Mark Brunell

WR Plaxico Burress

K Nick Folk

S Jim Leonhard

QB Kevin O’Connell

S Brodney Pool

DT Sione Pouha

DB Donald Strickland

LB Bryan Thomas

RB LaDainian Tomlinson

OL Rob Turner

Restricted

DB Marquice Cole

LB Aaron Maybin

TE Matthew Mulligan

LB Jamaal Westerman

(WR Patrick Turner was eligible to become a RFA but recently signed a contract extension and will return to the Jets for the 2012 season.)

April 16 — Earliest Start for Offseason Conditioning, Phase I

All teams’ nine-week programs will be split into three phases. The Jets’ program will be held at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center. Phase I will span the first two weeks and is strictly intended for strength, conditioning and rehabilitation. During this time players are not permitted to be on the field with football staff with the exception of strength and conditioning coaches.

April 26-28 — NFL Draft

The first round will once again be a Thursday night primetime affair on April 26. The second and third rounds will be held on Friday and Rounds 4-7 on Saturday. As always, the draft will take place at Radio City Music Hall in New York City. Keep an eye out for an official Jets Draft Party near you as the dates approach.

April 30 — Earliest Start for Offseason Conditioning, Phase II

Phase II, lasting three weeks, allows players and coaches to work on the field together. During this time, on-field drills are permitted but contact, helmets and offense vs. defense drills are not.

May 4 — Earliest Start for Rookie Minicamps

The Jets, who have not announced their schedule yet for this year’s rookie minicamp, traditionally have brought their draft choices and undrafted free agents in for the weekend after the draft. All teams can choose this weekend or May 11-13 for their rookie minicamps.

May 21 — Earliest Start for Offseason Conditioning, Phase III

The number of Organized Team Activity periods (OTAs) have been reduced from 14 to 10 in accordance with the new Collective Bargaining Agreement. This will mark the first time that offensive and defensive players can take the field at the same time under guidance of the coaching staff. Players can wear helmets but not pads or shells. Contact is not permitted.

June 4 — Earliest Start for Mandatory Veteran Minicamps

The only week of the offseason that players are required to be present at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center. Similar to OTAs, players can take the field for drills with teammates and coaches, provided there is no contact.

Late July — Training Camps Begin

The Jets will return to SUNY Cortland for their 2012 training camp after spending August 2011 at their training center in Florham Park, N.J. Training camps for all teams no more than 15 days prior to their first scheduled preseason games.


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228 Responses to “Into the Offseason and the Schedule Ahead”

  1. By IRA on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    After all that took place this past season Cortland can’t come fast enough for me.
    For their UFA i expect Folk,Pouha,O’Connell,Turner and maybe Pool to be back. Leonhard maybe at the veteran min if healthy. Bad break for Jim.

  2. By Russell on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    No football this weekend. What a drag. For 2012, the Jets should tender CB M.Cole, OLB Maybin and OLB Westerman. As to the UFA’s, Jets should resign OL Turner, NT Pouha, QB O’Connell and DB Leonhard. Everyone else, wave good bye to. Also, say good bye to Pace, B.Scott and E.Smith. Biggest team needs are OLB, ILB, OT, DB, WR and RB. Also need depth on both the offensive and defensive lines. Have open competitions for the PK and P duties. In 2012, I would like to see the Jets run the ball more effectively which might help Sanchez in his development. Defensively, the Jets have to get after opposing QB’s. First Round Pick – Jets at # 16 – DE/OLB Upshaw, Alabama.

  3. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Speaking of the offseason, here’s Wyche on the NFL site about Manning: “The market for him won’t be huge, but teams like the Dolphins, Jets, Seahawks and Redskins need a quarterback.” That’s how people out of the New York City area — and out there in the real world as opposed to over here in Jets Dreamland — see us, folks. So go argue with them about why they’re not interested in dreaming up more excuses for “Mark.” Like I say, a dark horse to get that much better in 2012, more likely to be gone in 2013.

  4. By IRA on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Russell,
    Pace will be back. They can’t blow out their entire starting LB corp except for harris. Don’t forget Thomas will likely not be resigned. Mauga is going to get a shot at taking over Scott’s spot. Either a rookie or Mario Williams [can only hope] will take over for Thomas.
    Also Upshaw will never get past the 10th pick unless his stock drops after the combine and personal workouts which i can’t see.

  5. By mark fan since 1965 on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    we desperatly need a Offensive right tackle, a safety that can cover the “new style” tight end like new england has, and a serious pass rush like the Giants have. We also need another running back besides Shone Green that has power and can hold onto the ball. We use to have a running back names Danny Woodhead. What happened to him? Bad Joke

  6. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Looking at the schedule ahead I see a possible 11-5 or 10-6 record. I keep hearing Holmes is going to meet w/Sanchez and he’s going to the Jets West…Yeah..ok..meet me at downtown Manhattan I have a bridge I’m tryin’ to sell. Has anyone seen or heard Mark speaking to the media to clarify this mess going on between him and Holmes? NOPE. So how am I supposed to take this QB seriously? He won’t even stand up for himself. Michael Kay on 1050 ESPN called Mark a coward. Wow..and Kay likes Mark..so go figure..

  7. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    As many Jet fans here on this site, I am sure we would like to see Manning in green & white. NFL32 reporters say that Manning will have to have complete control of the offense and that the OC and the players will have to learn HIS system. That’s not happening in Washington with Shanahan..Pete Carroll is a control freak…Harbaurgh does not like Peyton and vice versa. I see AZ Cards and the Jets being major players after Manning. I doubt Philbin will want to hand over the reigns to Manning because he was an OC and wants to run his system, looks like more and more he’s bringing Flynn to run his offense.

  8. By wayne on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    64, they have to put another option in place. It’s just not going to be Peyton. The man is not going to be ready. If it took 3 procedures to get to this point, how can you expect this last one to fix his problem?…….If they don’t put another option in place and the wheels come off, GQ’;s head won’t be the only one to roll…The question is will they go after a legitimate potential starter……These men bet their careers on this kid. To not put in place another option after this would be fatal……
    Being cleared to play, by his doctors(not Colts docs), means nothing. HE WILL NOT BE READY AND WHEN HE IS HE WILL NOT BE JOINING JETS.

  9. By wayne on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I know I haven’t been in the Jets lockerroom and all, but these facts I do know; a man, one of your boys, Eric Mangini has been in several of em. And I’m sure video taped more than one or two scrimmages before and felt that what your boy Billie Belichick was doing went against the code of good sportmanship. The NFL thought it was cheating, enough so to impose heavy fines….But you sir, think this is all garbage…………………………………………….I know, seeing the Giants and Patriots at a shindig Jets have been promising for so long can make us a bit woozy.

  10. By wayne on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    64, another reason they can’t go star chasing is because of what happened last year. I believe they chased Asomugha last year because #1 they didn’t have the cap space, thought they could get a bargain because of Rex and thought he would be able to make up for the deficiencies on the DL and the expected defections…Don’t think they could have kept guys they lost anyway because cap was in disarray. They can’t make that mistake again….If they preoccupy themselves with chasing Peyton and it unfolds anything like last year, that will be a disaster of epic proportion for the careers of Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan.They can’t do that again, and especially on such a big medical risk.

  11. By scjoe on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Of all the UFAs listed above only Pouha and Turner should be retained, of the RFAs all but Mulligan should be retained. 64, as I have stated over and over and over again, politics dictate that Sanchez will be the opening day starter in 2012. We all know that that is not what is necessarily best for the NY Jets, but it is what is best for Tanny and Woody. I will not even add Rex’c name to that list because he has to go with what the other two say and do and all his bravado about Sanchez holds about as much water as his Jets winning a SB this year theory. So, if anyone out there believes that if Rex wants Sanchez out, he will be out, is only fooling himself.

  12. By Dino on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    I have been a Jets fan since 1968. This year, it is so hard to get excited about the upcoming season. The old saying is “put up or shut up”…..but Ryan can’t seem to put up and refuses to shut up. It is embarrasing to be a Jet fan because of his big mouth. I cant believe they resigned Holmes. I understand it is a money issue, but a cancer on the team is not worth the money! Also hard to get excited about the draft. They have gotten some good ones and also some real boobs.

  13. By GaryC on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, the nfl knows the jets are foolish enough to take a shot at manning, that is why they list them as possible Manning destinations,just like favre,lott, leonard marshall, art monk and others,it is like the old saying,old football players don’t retire,they just look at the green and white for more GREEN.

  14. By robertpapalia on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Big off season coming up for Jets. Either Sanchez is or isn`t the one. We are going to find out in the next couple of months how the Jets are going to retool this roster. The Jets are either going to make the changes needed to win a championship or they will again mismanage the team again which will then I suppose result in a unsastifactory season. Which will put Rex and Tanny in job jeopardy. Only time will tell.

  15. By AvalancheGSX on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Seems to me the biggest team needs are at the two safety positions. I’d like to see SS Barron, Alabama at #16. Then I’d like to see HB Wilson, Va Tech in rd 2 and FS Iloka, Boise St in Rd 3. I’d like an RT in rd 4, but I’d really prefer to have a solid free agent RT until we can groom somebody into the position. Our DL is young and getting better, and as much as I want a pass rushing LB, the way teams spread Ds out these days, I think having some safeties who can actually cover will help our pass rush more than an LB that can’t stay on the field.

  16. By neauone on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    HEY TANNY, Don’t mess this up, 1st round Ingram, second round David Wilson RB, round 3 Andrew Datko. You can hire me as a scout next year. Draft these guy’s and not only will you make the playoffs, you may find yourself in the SB.

  17. By russ on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    an over the hill quarterback with health issues is not a wise choice///I would rather pay for M Williams and trade a #1 for a 2 &3 to get some quality players ..

  18. By Paul on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    Last year’s debacle can not all be placed on Sanchez’s shoulders. If the O lines would have been taken care which means not nickle & diming Damian Woody things would have been different. A good line means a better Sanchez and a better Sanchez would have gotten the ball downfield to Holmes thus making him happy. We need many changes in 2012. Looking forward to the combine & draft

  19. By MIKE on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    I wish at the beginning of each season players were forced to have open competition at there position. Especially the QB position. What good does it to for average or below average QB to go into a season knowing they are the starters for sure. There would be a few more good QB’s that never get a chance because of QB’s who have a guaranteed starting position. Not saying McElroy or O’Connell are diamonds in the rough just saying MS definately needs to look over his shoulder.

  20. By MIKE on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    As much as Jets need a RT or WR, it’s time to kick the Vernon Gholston jinx out and draft another pass rusher. There is a good chance Ingram or Upshaw are there at 16. Problem is there is nothing out there for for RT FA’s unless you want another 2 year bandaid. As far as WR goes stay away from Loyd, Wayne, Colston and Jackson. All three are great WR with great QB, but only decent with Sanchez. Jets need a playmaker deep threat. Obviously if Stevie Jackson is there take him, Manningham would be a good pick up as well.

  21. By Jets fan on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    well you gotta give the jets QB Mark sanchez one more year to see if he improves if he doesn’t improve i’m all for who ever is going to play the QB position but he needs better WR who can catch and it looks like Peyton’s career is over since he cant throw and his nerves on his throwing arm won’t regenerate he can’t even grip a ball so if the jets decide to get Peyton good luck on your 0-14 2013 season

  22. By oasus on Feb 10, 2012 | Reply

    IRA, Turner got a contract extension so he definitely will be back.

  23. By Gabriel on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64 What the article means is that the Jets need a QB to PUSH Mark Sanchez Wyche is an anaylist he wouldn’t completely ignore Sanchez. Once again you have no faith in Mark Sanchez and call yourself a Jet Fan. His been in this league for only 3 years I’d like to see you take us to the AFC Championship twice. The Jets will be back with a vengenace and will be a scary team for teams to play. I am so excited for the Jets to start OTA’s and who they will choose in the draft!

  24. By Harvard prof on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets have got to be the worst organization in the NFL… For all the money that we spend , this is the team we have to show for it? Even the Bears have more talent. Other than Revis, Not one person scares you. Rex thinks Ground and pound can win in a division with TOM BRADY? and now that the Bills and Dolphins will be tough to run against.. HOW IS GROUND AND POUND GOING TO CUT IT? The Patriots beat the Jets twice when their defense was TERRIBLE! How will the Jets fare against a Hungry Patriots team with better widouts and a experienced defense? There is not ONE wideout that wants to play for the Jets because of Sanchez poor decision making… He is WORSE than Tony Romo! If only the Jets cut sanches and resined him for the league minimum

  25. By Harvard prof on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    cont… With the MASSIVE amount of talented WRs in the league available this year, The Jets have to settle for Holmes who will get booed for every droped pass next year. But we cant trade him because nobody wants a BAD SEED in their locker… Id take T.O over him! WHY DID THE JETS GET STEVE AS OC? He flopped in Miami untill their OC TOOK OVER! now our offense will be EASIER TO PREPARE FOR? DUMP HIM AND BRING IN THE FORMER COLTS COACH AS OC… Then BEG Peyton to play for the Jets. After the INNUMERABLE AMOUNT OF SHAME AND EMBARRISMENT I HAVE FELT THIS YEAR AS A JETS FAN I AM READY TO SWITCH TO THE DARK SIDE AND ROUT FOR THE GIANTS! SHAME ON THE JETS ALL THE WAY AROUND! THE DEFENSE OFFENSE AND COACHES EMBARRASED JETS FANS THROUGHOUT!

  26. By Frank on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    64 there is no doubt if Sanchize-Not doesn’t make a quatum leap this year and actually win some games against good teams with a winning record and seriously cut the turnovers he is gone is 2013. Furthermore, I think but I know it won’t happen because the regime thinks coddling is better than competition…there should be an open competition for the starting position this offseason. If the regime thinks Sanchize-Not can’t handle that competition which seems to be the thinking since they are constantly trying to window dress him then he clearly doesn’t have the mental toughness to be a starter anyway. Ira I am with you…Turner, Folk, Pouha, O’Connell are a must. Pool, Thomas and Leonhard for the right price…we need one returning safety

  27. By Frank on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    Randy any word on the regime sit down with Sanchez this week? I find it odd there would be a press leak about the meeting then no follow up. Thanks.

  28. By Randy Lange on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, Mark Sanchez has been around the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center recently but I’ve heard nothing about the sitdown. When it happens, I know it will be widely reported.

  29. By GaryC on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    with free agency approaching it brings to mind last year when my favorite player Plastico Burress was seeking employment,and met with the giants and steelers who had no intention of signing him but would do him a favor and think they were interested to get other teams involved,the jets,falling for the ruse,jumped in and Plastico got his 4 million forever putting the giants and steelers on his holiday thank you list.fast forward, steelers and giants made playoffs and the jets disappeared quicker than Claude Rains could ever think of.THE JETS ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE, VERY FOOLISH.

  30. By GaryC on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    people, you didn’t need to root for the giants to go to a parade, you always have Macy’s.

  31. By No one cares what Blinka thinks on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry but with fans like you guys, we deserve to lose. Peyton Manning! Randy please throw hot coffe in my face.
    If that happened it would be worse than Farve experiment.

  32. By joeyjets12fla on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    hey randy, any word on the progress with the hiring of Karl Dunbar, it’s been 2 weeks since they offered him the d-line coaching position?

  33. By westcoastJET28 on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    Blinka, I care what you think and I always listen to what you have to say. I agree with you, we need to get younger and stop these ridiculous experiments with the unproven and the over the hill players. So, Randy make that two coffees!

  34. By wayne on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, you gotta broaden your horizon bud………..Again, you can always do both bud……The more the merrier. Besides, never miss Macy’s………….BigAnts, that’s all icing.

  35. By Bennett on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    Gabriel… It’s not so much that Sanchez got us to 2 championship games as much as we got there in spite of him. Take some time to look at some of his stats his 1st two years, it is a small miracale we got that far. I think it is a testament to how well Ryan coached and how he had them playing way beyond there actual skills

  36. By scjoe on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    Blinka, now I know why no one listens! You have to remember when fans, like myself, talk of Peyton being a Jet in 2012 we are talking about a “healthy” Peyton. We “assume” that the Jets medical staff would know with out doubt that that is what they are getting, otherwise, all bets are off. With that being said, give me a better option then a “healthy” Peyton Manning being the QB of the NY Jets in 2012 and beyond. Give me just one option that you would think would be a better one, and please don’t tell me Mark Sanchez for a fourth straight year because that may possibly turn out to be the worse option of all.

  37. By Jetsfan101 on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    I <3 the Jets. I really think Mark Sanchez should get traded. he messed up alot of the games… But I will be attending the Jets Camp in Cortland…I live right near it! :)

  38. By SOCALJETFAN on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    Hope The JETS bring in some smash-mouth blue collar offensive-linemen,that can protect their QB,without a strong offensive-line,it’s going to be a Lonnnnnnggggg season,It woud’nt matter what QB is back there,But I’ll rather take the chance with SANCHEZ back there.

  39. By Karan on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t understand the reason for retaining Wayne Hunter. If the Jets are planning to keep him as a back-up, then I’m all for it, but if he’s starting, that would be ridicoulous. We definetly need to sign back Rob Turner, best back-up o-line man on the team, hands down. The person who was responsible for him getting injured in the first place, Vlad Ducasse, needs to released, right now!

  40. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, based on what I read on Peyton’s arm and how many other needs we have I’m against him coming to the Jets. My pt was how people outside of Jets Fantasyland don’t hesitate to say that we need a QB. Gabriel, MS by himself didn’t take us anywhere and if blind loyalty to disappointing players = being a fan, no, then I’m not a fan of this edition of the Jets and I’ll wait for the next one. scjoe and Frank, I think you’re right about the coddling of MS but that’s neither here nor there, none of Rex’s predictions have come true yet and none of them will. He’s yet to make a realistic assessment of MS’s potential, which is the only statement out of him I’d bother to read. Like Dino says, the whole franchise has rarely been this embarrassing.

  41. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    And yes, Blinka, we look to you for enlightenment daily — at least, I do!

  42. By Danthejetsfan on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    I agree that we need more talent. Don’t waste the money on Manning, too much of a risk… I would love to see Mario Williams in green and white!

  43. By Mark@Jets Realty on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    Can’t we cut Mike Westoff? He is the reason Weatherford was on the Giants. Westoff still thinks he invented football. ST play has been only average lately. And players aren’t crazy about the guy. Please let him retire early and go deep sea fishing in Florida. If he was the Knicks coach, he would probably cut Jeremy Linn and claim he doesn’t get down the court fast enough.
    And why is Sanchez not going on WFAN or ESPN to defend himself? He is coming across like a whimp. What a disappointment. I don’t love him but thank god S. Holmes did open his mouth. The amount of long completions was awful.

  44. By qb coach on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    Mark Sanchez can still deveolp into a top NFL quaterback if the Jets just installed some “OLD SCHOOL” Delaware Wing-T ‘style offense into their playbook,that would feature a solid running game and ‘waggle/bootleg’ type play action that goes along with it.Get some offense to high-light Mark’s skill set- where he can get out of the pocket and attack the D.
    He needs a “Wes Welker” wideout/athlete with a high R A C working under neath to help keeep the chains moving. A player he,himself.- can help to help to mold/ develop along with himself. The Jets don’t need a “Manning”, Peytons’ most overlooked skill is throwing teammates under the bus! That would last— OH, about 1 week in the Jet lockerroom.
    DRAFT A WR/ATHLETE not another PRIMA/DIVA

  45. By Charliejet on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    So …According to P.S.D. Ryan says “No more Super Bowl Predictions” there’s a good start ! One step at a time Rex – One step at a time.

  46. By cgb on Feb 11, 2012 | Reply

    the only UFA’s that should be signed is O’connell.Pouha,Turner and leonhard. RFA’s, Cole, and Westerman.Everyone else is easily upgradable. As far as P. Manning is concerned the only reason why his name is mentioned in connection with the jets is because of their past history of signing big name FA’s. This will not happen this year . Already to many unknown’s with this team, and too many new faces.I wouln’t expect the jets to pursue peyton,besides NY is eli’s town.Peyton would never sign if we did pursue him.

  47. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, how un-fan-like of you! Criticizing our FO which is of course the best FO in the league, just like our QB is elite, our facility is the best in the NFL, we’re the best team in not just NYC but the world, and so on. What a lot of cowardly, self-congratulatory nonsense Rex has brought down on this team. Like I’ve said, I can’t think of more than a franchise or two in the league — maybe SEA, though that’s why they hired Carroll, maybe CLE , though that’s why they hired Holmgren — that’s riper for a complete makeover than us.

  48. By GaryC on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, are you sure you don’t bleed blue blood.

  49. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    We need a ban on sentences that begin “Sanchez can still…” Cimini writes that only 10 players eat up $90 mil of the likely $120-128 mil cap. 2 of those guys are Scott and Pace so if there’s any way to get them to take less to free up more $ for other, better players or prospects including at LB, I say go for it. Of course, the move that would really speak volumes would be if we asked MS to take less in his 4th yr because he’s behind schedule. Watched MONEYBALL last night and it made me wonder if it’s on Mr T’s list, he seems to get easily excited and throw $ at players, even those with contracts, without considering the broader picture. Cimini also pts out that to dump Hunter on the same day as extending Holmes woulda sent a weird signal.

  50. By Matt on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    The JETS need to trade down in the first if they can’t draft Upshaw or Ingram and get some more picks because the cap is looking tight and there seem to be a lot of needs plus another kid named Ronnell Lewis is pretty good too he can cover,hit and rush I wouldn’t mind seeing them draft him in the second round. Players I would really love to see the JETS draft are one of the 3 I already mentioned and Marvin McNutt WR(late 2nd or early 3rd) Aaron Henry S(3rd or 4th rounder). There is a lot of LB talent in the draft I wouldn’t be upset to see the JETS draft LBs in the first 2RDs because that unit is aging and what a 3-4 Defense without LBs. Out of the Draft they should at least get a WR,S, LB, OT.. Those areas should be at the top of the list

  51. By jorge on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    what did the jets get for the trade with the jags??

  52. By GaryC on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    believe it or not after drafting kyle wilson I am bringing up Boise state concerning jets draft.if ever a guy was meant to play for the jets coming out this year is a standup outside backer with a non stop motor and his name is SHEA MCCLELLIN.couldn’t be more perfect.maybe a second round pick and no later than third round.too many times jets have passed on these type of guys,like brooks reed, connor barwin,wake up clinkscales and draft a guy who loves the game.

  53. By Eli Rodriguez on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    Mike, I agree with you about the open competition, This would put hungry players on the field. I DO, however feel Greg McElroy would over take M.S. AKA ( P.M.S) Pretty Mark Sanchez, Leaders are born and some are made but not Mark Sanchez.

    Mr. Russ i agree with your post 100%: By russ on Feb 10, 2012 |

    an over the hill quarterback with health issues is not a wise choice///I would rather pay for M Williams and trade a #1 for a 2 &3 to get some quality players

  54. By GaryC on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    be careful about bringing in Mario Williams,he was out with a believe was a bicep tear, and those things can go out again,I would rather have a guy coming back from a knee injury.

  55. By Joe on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    I think everyone brings up valid points. I think Rex has a loud mouth and makes us Jet fans look bad when he’s wrong. To give Sanchez more time for a mediocre QB to look down the field, we need to strengthen the O line. He was the same QB with less experience but had a great O line in 2009, 2010 and look what he did. Shotty being cut was great, Don’t know if we improved with the new OC

  56. By scjoe on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    Am I the only Jet fan on this site who believes that “a healthy” Peyton Manning would be the answer to putting this Jet team in a position to compete against the NE Patriots and the rest of the league? It seems some of you just downplay the idea even before all the facts are gathered. So I ask you, “what if” Peyton is healthy and the Jets can sign him with an incentive laced deal? As I asked Blinka, what option do any of you see that would make more sense and have more of an impact for this team right now? Another year of Mark Sanchez? Another recycled vet? How about another rookie who may turn out just like the last one? C’mon man!

  57. By scjoe on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    All this talk about the need for a deep threat. Last time I checked, throwing the ball down field was a major Sanchez weakness. As inaccurate as he is short to mid range he is even more inaccurate throwing deep. So why the need for a deep threat? If Sanchez remains the starter (which I fear will happen) an elite RB is what is needed, not a “down field threat” you don’t play to a QBs weaknesses. The only thing, and I mean the ONLY thing that can help this player is an above average running game, not a deep threat at the WR position. The answer? Move down a few picks and pick up Lamar Miller (RB Miami)

  58. By MIKE on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    Bold Predictions: Roster Moves: Gone are Plax, Thomas, Scott. LT and Brunell Back is Pouha, Leonard, Pool, Maybin. FA’s signed are , RT Gaither, S Tyronne Branch and RB Peyton Hillis. #16 pick is Courtney Upshaw.

    Upshaw and Maybin dominate 3rd down with 25 sack between them. Upshaw wins Def rookie of year. Branch and Kyle Wilson tie for team high with 6 INT’s. Greene, McKnight and Hillis rush for 2500 yards collectively. Keller sets all Jets TE recieving records. WR Turner and Kerley both emerge as nice compliments to Holmes and Keller. Holmes ends up with 66 rec. Mark Sanchez puts together a Rex Ryan Tony Sparano year with 3500 yards, 19 TD and just 9 INT’s. Jets loose to Baltimore in AFC championship game.

  59. By viveca on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, why is it a must to keep O’Conell? What has he done to warrant staying?
    Watched him in preseason and he was very shaky. As far as I can tell he hasn’t progressed at all. Don’t agree with you about Folk either. He crumbled down the stretch. Amazing how well Rutherford punted for the Giants. Seems like we got rid of the wrong guy. Typical Jets; the guys we get rid of could form a nucleaus of an allstar team; Vilma, Abraham, Farrior, Rutherford, Woodhead, to name a few…

  60. By Tom Spicer on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, You have made it clear how you feel about the QB. But to say we made the AFC championship game in 2010 despite him is a joke. Game 2 vs Pats 124 rating, 3 TDS & no picks. Game 3 vs Miami 120 rating, 3 TDS & no picks. Game 4 vs Bills 120 rating 2 TDS & no picks. Game 8 vs Lions 82 rating, 336 yards, 2 TDS & he leads us on the game winning drive in overtime. Game 9 vs Browns 87 rating, 299 yards, 3 TDS & another game winning drive in overtime. Game 10 Texans 100 rating, 315 yards, 3 TDS & he lead us on a AMAZING game winning drive with a minute left with back to back BOMBS. The 1st to Braylon & the 2nd to Holmes to win the game. Playoffs at a 14 & 2 Pats team which NOBODY on the planet gave us a shot. 127 rating, 3 TDS & no picks.

  61. By Tom Spicer on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    I just named 7 games above from last year alone that he was the REASON that we won the game so to say we won in spite of him is just WRONG!

  62. By cgb on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, you talk as though MS is the only reason the jets played poorly last year. A lot went wrong, and changing QB’s is not a quick fix that will solve all our problems. We need to look at the o-line tackle and guard, speed at the line-backer position,and a bona-fide d-line pass rusher. Then maybe a RB in the 3rd to 4th rd.We should re-structure pace and scott’s contract or cut them to create more money for FA’s. Thats the smart answer. Not chasing some has been veteran with medical questions.It’s really a moot point anyway ,peyton will never sign with the jets. And the truth is the jets are better off without him.

  63. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    Problem is, Spice, 5 of the 7 games you DIDN’T mention weren’t nearly as good for MS plus, as usual, you omit that he played terrible in the first half of the PIT playoff, putting us basically out of the game, the 2nd half suspense was whether we’d get back in it, not win it. Which brings me to scjoe: A healthy Manning would be very hard to turn down, especially if the Fish are also after him, but his injury sounds far from healed. And of course, in this era or any other, it’s insane to say “Our QB can’t throw long so we won’t” but that kind of thinking will end as soon as Rex is gone which can’t come too soon for me. Interesting predictions, Mike, and yeah Viveca, I thought the same thing about O’Connell, who needs him — or Henne, Ira.

  64. By westcoastJET28 on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    Here we go again with Spicer’s statistics. Yet he always seems to neglect MS play during our loses which really shows the QBs true colors. It’s real easy to see the good in things but, there is a saying, ignorance is bliss. I acknowledge and understand MS had his moments, but, you need to assess his OVERALL play. Not just one point or another. In my opinion, he has one more year to prove us wrong, but, I have no faith in him after this past season. Especially after the Baltimore beat down and the lack of leadership he showed at the end of this season. If you think we should waste 3 more years trying to develope a 4 year veteran, I have no words for you. Scjoe, any QB ranked above MS would have an impact. We don’t need to hurt our selves more then we have, in terms of salary cap issues to get a high profile guy like Payton. Depth is a proven commodity in this modern NFL. You got to remember we drafted a QB with a minimal amount of college experience, his whole NFL career will be a developmental career.

  65. By oasus on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    people, ignore spicer. let him live in his own ignorace.

  66. By Tom Spicer on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    This is the site of constant QB bashing you hear nothing about the GM, RB, OL, CANCER WR, saftey & no pass rush. The only other person who gets anything negative said about him is Rex but he deserves it cause he doesnt know when to shut his mouth. For example nobody talks about our 22nd ranked running game? We traded 3 picks to get Greene but he gets off scot free?

  67. By Tom Spicer on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    O line, D line, TE, LB, Corner, Safety & RB. If you are good enough you can walk right off of the college campus & play well in the NFL. WR it could take a year to get it you are seeing coverages you have never seen in your life. You are getting doubled with saftey help over the top it could take time. QB also as you can see with Eli it can take years to know if you have the guy or not. Greene is in his 3rd year & he barley cracked 1,000 yards. He can not catch a pass, he can not pass block, he shows no burst & he is always nicked up. We traded up into the 3rd round to get this guy. We gave up a 4th, 5th & 6th round pick to get him he was in his 3rd year. He should be the man right now in a bad year he should have 1,200 yards.

  68. By Tom Spicer on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    I got this off of a site that I read “Shonn Greene finished just 30th in yards-after-contact (2.0) among running backs in 2011.Greene’s longest run was 31 yards, as the offensive line deteriorated and he failed to create on his own” & “Green has been overlooked as part of the offense’s struggles this season. He posted just 3.9 yards per attempt and six touchdowns despite a career-high 244 rushing attempts”

  69. By Tom Spicer on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I think we could get Lamar Miller with the 16th pick in the 2nd round if he is not there we can get David Wilson RB Virginia Tech with that 2nd pick. I think either one of them would be a upgrade over Greene. Also after we see what we do in free agency I think in the 1st round we have to go RT, WR, OLB or Saftey

  70. By qbcoch on Feb 12, 2012 | Reply

    Hey gang, Any information/rumors about this years draft. I;ve heard there’s interest in this D2 kid out of St. Anselms, NH that was like “ALL-WORLD’ by a fellow coach recetly. His name is Marc Wilson ; Are they finally gonna draft A top WR?

  71. By JoeC on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Here’s my take on Mark Sanchez. Following back to back AFC Championship games, every Jets fan was looking forward to 2011. Was anyone asking for him to get released or traded? Did he have a bad year in 2012? Don’t think you can deny that but don’t think anyone would argue that the offensive line played pretty bad as well. The running game was much help either (see comment on o-line). Getting back to Sanchez…2012 is definitely a make or break year for him with the Jets. Who was the real problem last year…Shotty or Sanchez? The only way to find out was to get rid of one of them. So Shotty got the boot and Sanchez gets one more year to prove himself. 4th straight year with a diff group of WR’s. Not good formula for a young QB.

  72. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    westcoast, I agree with you about how any QB ranked above Sanchez would have an impact. That’s why I wouldn’t be surprised if we pick up somebody like Campbell or Orton ostensibly as “the backup” and he ends up starting instead of MS 6 or 7 games in — and that’s after outplaying MS in exhib but Rex insisting, in a last, desperate gasp to hold onto his job, on starting MS anyway. Spicer, why don’t you get your stats off THIS site? Greene avg 4.2 and do you REALLY watch the games? He’s become an okay blocker and a much better receiver than, say, TJ ever was. The larger pt, of course, is that like Steve Young said, no player impacts the team at once on O, D, and even off the field like the QB, and MS is very far behind on all those levels.

  73. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    I also don’t see how in the world you can push OLB and S down on the draft list, Spice, in favor of RB, especially when there are available RB FA’s like Hillis who might not cost that much and when RB is one of the easiest things to pick up to begin with. And unlike a QB, RBs have limited options when the line doesn’t open holes, as the Jets line didn’t for SG or anyone else until about Nov of last yr. Whereas with a QB, a really good one (much less an elite one) has skills related to snaps, audibles, formations and so on to compensate when protection isn’t ideal. I notice you don’t talk about Sanchez running a no-huddle very much because that largely just set our teeth more on edge than usual, waiting for him to make the big mistake…

  74. By Frank on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Viveca I say to keep O’Connell because he will be re-signed cheaply and is familiar with the team and receivers we need competition for Sanchize-Not. We will still be in the market for another QB anyway. I have been saying for weeks and it is just now starting to get press coverage we have serious cap issues and will not have the money to do much forget about making any major splashes including Manning unless we trade the biggest cap offenders with guaranteed contracts like Holmes and Sanchize-Not. I even think Scott’s contract is guaranteed for 4 million which is outrageous he should have been cut already. This team was built to win the last three years and it’s time for a major overhaul.

  75. By IRA on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Greene would be more effective in a role like Jordan played behind Curtis. The Jets need to add a RB that can be used as a feature RB. Greene is good and i will cut him slack for last year too many issues with the offense.They do need to address the RB spot and McKnight is not the answer for a full time role as a RB.
    If reports are correct the Jets are 8.9 mill under the cap and thats before they start to restucture and cut players. I say by the time free agency starts they will be 12-15 under the cap.

  76. By THUNDER LIPS on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    we need to build our foundation first and then we will be able to assess our skill positions. First and foremost is the offensive line. We need to get a right tackle in FA and need to address all the oline issues in camp. this also means we need to assess and address the backfield protection (running abck, full back etc). then We need a s stud pass rusher who can get to the QB without a blitz. Next we need a safety (Landry). at WR i like the idea of turner and kerley at WR. Kerley looks like a replacement for Holmes. Id like to see us grab Edwards for the downfield threat too.

  77. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Ok..say we keep GQ and McElory pushes him for the starting job. Either one or two things..Sanchez steps up his game or McElory takes over. Now “IF” Sanchez takes over It would be good idea to bring back BE. Having BE-Holmes-Kerley is not bad. Plus P.Turner looks like he can ball. TE spot the combination of Keller-Cumberland looks solid. The return of Rob Turner taking over at RT and sliding Slauson over to his natural G spot should bring some stability to the O-line. Let’s use the draft and get speed on the D. Ingram/Upshaw/Barron either one will be an upgrade. If Mike T. can use his Cap skills maybe we could land Mario Williams for the pass rush. Use round 2 of the draft and get a RB. But I do agree we need a Vet QB.

  78. By wayne on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    If the offense is to improve, the run game must improve in order to make Mark Sanchez(there I said it) more effective…PLEASE ALREADY. Peyton Hillis? Can’t get one Peyton question mark, so let’s go jump on the other? He had problems in a pond, so let’s see how he does swimming with sharks? Rex can cook up defense, he can’t cook up offense….Focus will be to make GQ(couldn’t do it twice) better..That safety thing, give it up. Football 101, win the line of scrimmage…….The NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS, the team some of you Jets fans? are so in love with, went to the SUPER BOWL with an horrendous secondary.First pick will be RB or Pass rusher, if marque back falls. Can’t go into season with no true starter @ RB. That would be stupidity.

  79. By wayne on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Remember your team won’t win many bidding wars this summer. They unhinged their cap. Might actually be a good thing some unknowns might get some opptys and make something of it.

  80. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    If McElory is the real deal then I can see him growing with P.Turner – Mcknight – Keller. Sanchez maybe just a career back-up. Remember the last time we had a QB from Bama..If Mark doesn’t show improvement this year it’s going to be real hard for the Sanchez defenders to stand by him. Like every Jet fan here at this site we want to win, we want to win NOW. Rex needs to back off the bravado..keep it in the locker room. Respect your fellow coaches. And for pete’s sake..no more predictions. We all know every coach thinks and wants his team to go to the big dance, If we go one more year of this circus act, Woody please bring in Bill Cowher…

  81. By scjoe on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    cgb, you can’t just take certain things I say out of context. I have acknowledged over and over and over and over again the need for an elite RB, the immediate need for a RT, an OLB who can get to the QB etc. However, the QB by far was the biggest culprit and I will stand by that. People say 2012 is his “make or break” year, well, what was 2011 then? You are a Jet fan, I assume you watched every snap of every game as I have, do you think he progressed or regressed? Do you feel his accuracy, his pocket presence,his maturity, his leadership abilities will miraculously improve in 2012? Do you see the term “franchise QB” applying to him?

  82. By scjoe on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    64, I agree with spicer on that RB, sure there are other needs and we all know what they are, but think about it, it is almost a lock that MS will be the starter again in 2012 (against my better judgement, but who am I?) What is the single most important thing that could happen that can help this QB compete? A running game, that is what. Shonn Greene is not a starting RB, at least not a top of the line RB, a dynamic RB can help this QB and this offense much, much, more then any WR out there. Regardless of what anyone says or thinks about the WRs that we had on this roster, they were more then capable if used correctly, and I think you know what I mean by “correctly”

  83. By Tom Spicer on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, I never said to draft a RB I was responding to SCJoe suggesting to draft Lamar Miller & I didnt push anyone dwon any draft list all along I have said WR, OLB, Saftey & RT.

  84. By scjoe on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, you may be correct about taking Miller out of Miami at 16. If his stock rises after the combine there is a chance he may be taken earlier. I know quite a few people in S Florida and they tell me to the man that this guy is the real deal. I strongly believe, just as I told 64 above, that a strong running game will fix multiple problems that this team had in 2011. If you don’t have that “elite” QB and you don’t have an “elite” RB you generally finish at 8-8 and in the middle of the pack.

  85. By Tom Spicer on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, I copied & pasted Greene’s stats off a web site called rotoworld so if it is 4.2 & not 3.9 rotoworld is wrong not me.

  86. By Tom Spicer on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Lastly Tom 64, “And unlike a QB, RBs have limited options when the line doesn’t open holes, as the Jets line didn’t for SG or anyone else until about Nov of last yr. Whereas with a QB, a really good one (much less an elite one) has skills related to snaps, audibles, formations and so on to compensate when protection isn’t ideal.” This is your quote & it has to be one of your better ones so Greene gets a pass for a bad o line but the QB does not this is COMICAL AT BEST.

  87. By Tom Spicer on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, Actually the D getting dominated & giving up 180 rushing yards is the reason we lost. If you dont know that I have to ask you just like you asked me DO YOU EVEN WATCH THE GAMES?

  88. By scjoe on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    One more point on the RBs 64. You say that a FA RB, like Hillis or maybe even Bush would cost less then a rook? I am not so sure about that. I think both Hillis and Bush are going to emerge from free agency wealthy men. With the rookie cap now in place, and drafting mid to late round, I think that may be the cheaper way to go. Lets remember now, we are talking about a very good RB in Miller or Richardson if he ever falls, of course that is a huge “if” either is a huge upgrade to Hillis or Bush or anything we have.

  89. By Tom Spicer on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Westcoastjet & Tom64, I was responding to Benetts post about how we made the AFC championship depite the QB & that he played poorly in bascically every game. Which is beyond CRAZY posters on this site blame EVERYTHING on the QB & ANYTHING we did good had nothing to do with him. It is funny how biased guys on this site are.

  90. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    A major overhaul starts with unnecessary scrubs like O’Connell, Frank, on whom we should never have wasted a draft choice to begin with. McElroy and someone like Campbell will be enough competition for the previously pampered “Mark”…most likely more than enough…

  91. By robertpapalia on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    We`re going to find out about Sanchez this year. Either he takes the next step or he doesn`t. By the way I agree what scjoe says. If Manning is healthy and available you must take a run at him. After all when healthy Manning is still one of the best qbs around. A no brainer.

  92. By russ on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Trading #1 for a 2 & 3 makes more sense than reaching for a 16 pick of drafting down and having high priced free agents fill your needs….Patriots are loaded with picks and their defense will improve 100 %…It is time to stock up on picks now as this team is not now or next year going to a Super bowl..a stong competitive team will be better off with home grown talent in long run…just ask Yankees free agent snever are the total solution..

  93. By GaryC on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    see that the bengals are signing Carrier as their secondary coach, which is smart seeing that is the position he played,unlike the jets who had him coaching the line which he never played,you mean in all of football the jets couldn’t find a line coach all these years,and how long is it going to take the jets to let the fans know that they were bamboozeled and will receive less for Lowery and giving up more for schladeraff then anyone could imagine,even though lowery played more for the jags then schladeraff played for us.

  94. By GaryC on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, some fans cannot see the forest through the trees,If sanchez is the reason for losing what has been the excuse for the last 40 years,sanchez isn’t that old,but we were prancing out a receiver who was close.

  95. By wayne on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    WELL SCJOE IS CORRECT. HOW IS A PLAYACTION OFFENSE SUPPOSE TO EXECUTE WITH AN INEFFECTIVE RUN GAME? JET FANS ARE SO CONFUSED. They have Greene who was given the position and couldn’t handle it, and some say Hillis, also given position in CLE and couldn’t handle it..And they’re supposed to be the answer?….If they don’t fix the running problem, then some of you will get your wish……..Maybe that’s why you don’t want the running game fixed? Just one spot on OL needs replacing and that position should be a relatively easy fix. Get a stud back, defensive focus will shift away from GQ. Obviously one has to be available. Make no mistake about it, if one is available, he’ll be a JET.

  96. By Tom Spicer on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I was talking about taking Lamar Miller or David Wilson with the 16th pick in the 2nd round. I think there is a shot we could get Richardson with the 16th pick in the 1st round.

  97. By wayne on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    News flash: Randy wants back in. Campaigned for him last year to no avail. Probably not too interested in Jets, unless Pats no…………I know Rex has a mancrush……Only FA WR I’d go after, because if he’s interested in playing, and got chip back on his shoulder, he’s a TD waiting to happen………………..Price also might be right.

  98. By Tom Spicer on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    1 week from today will really shape how the free agent market will play out. That is the day that teams can franchise tag players it will let us know who
    really is a free agent & who is not.

  99. By Tom Spicer on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    What I wanted was for the Jets to address the RT & WR spots in free agency. They are saying there is no chance that Plax comes back so we are going to need a WR. RT cause Wayne Hunter is terrible there is nothing in his history that tells me he will play better & he is 30 he will only get worse. I now Brick had a down year as Frank is quick to point out but Brick had 5 good years before that so I know he will bounce back. Mangold had a high ankle sprain missed 3 games & played like a shell of himslef in the other 3 it is a 6 week injury. Moore had hip surgery & was not himslef to start the season he went weeks without practing he just played in the games. So to me Brick bounces back hopefully Mangold & Moore are nto hurt again we really

  100. By danny on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    People forget that we made 2 AFC championships with ground and pound and great Defense. Now if Shotty didnt get cute at the goaline vs Pitt in AFC championship and throw 3 times then run LT on 4th down we would have been in the SB. U know nothing about football if you don’t think running the ball and playing great D can’t win a championship, We also beat Mr. Brady in his house in the playoffs too. I feel the best move to improve was done already and that was getting rid of horrible clueless Shotty. Now replace
    Hunter and E. Smith and were much better without those 3 already. We need a Safety and pass rusher

  101. By Tom Spicer on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    only need to replace Hunter & I think this O line goes back to the one from the prior 2 years. That o line gave up 26 & 27 sacks not 40 like this year. I think if next year the Jet O line gives up 26 sacks like 2009 I think Mark takes a BIG step forward & if he does not then we will know for sure he is not the guy.

  102. By GaryC on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    now that karl dunbar is our defensive line coach, why not select Michael Brockers of LSU, like Dunbar a grad of LSU.Brockers has been compared to Kevin Williams who Dunbar coached at Minnesota,you might have the makings of a pretty good defensive line AND YOUNG, with Wlikerson,Ellis and Brockers and Ropati,It would be hard to throw over that group.

  103. By joeyjets12fla on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    well i guess it’s official Karl Dunbar is the D-line coach. i only asked the question 2 days ago if he had signed, thanks for the answer.

  104. By Row on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    The first step is Sanchez’ contract has to be restructured. I would also throw about a million at Clemens because he played well for the Rams.. Clean house with all the unrestricted FA’s. I think we should bring in some people at kicker. The safety position must be addressed. I DO NOT want Leonhard back. Draft a first or second round RB, and a safety. Maybin and Westerman should be retained. I also am very questionable about all other linebackers. In my opinion they all underachieved, especially with the draft of Wilkerson. GO JETS!

  105. By scjoe on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, there is no way Richardson drops to 16 of the first round and no way Miller drops to 16 (actually 15) of the second round. No way! Not unless either have an absolutely horrible combine, an undisclosed injury or of course a dreaded bout with the D word. Wilson out of V Tech may be another option if they trade down, but he is a little smaller then the other two, but has a decent 40 time.

  106. By scjoe on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    For those of you projecting a bigger roll in the offense for Keller, do not rule out the possibility of him being traded. Sparano was pretty successful with a prototypical TE (Fasano) in his offense. Keller can bring a 2nd rd pick and who knows, maybe a late #1 if the right set of circumstances were to present themselve. I for one would much rather go with that prototypical TE like Cumberland and maybe a guy like Fred Davis (Washington) who happens to be an UFA. That would help the run game, now all we need is that dynamic RB.

  107. By karan on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Why would u retain Matt Cavanaugh??? Seriously, its things like these that make a fan want to say SAME OLD JETS!

  108. By Bennett on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    SPICER Again as always points well taken. I will not debate at this time the Sanchez numerous interceptions, turnovers, blown reads, sacks, slow starts,,completion percentage etc etc during the 1st two regular seasons. I was just as happy as the rest of you and would have kissed Sanchez on the mouth if I could have after the games you mentioned. You are right I should give him his due when he deserves, it’s only fair and maybe I am to hard on the kid sometimes and maybe I do have to short a memory. It’s just that this really crummy past season really hurt this one long, long suffering Jet fan and I have a tremendous amount of resentment. .

  109. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Spice, we didn’t lose to DEN because we gave up a lot of yds but because we couldn’t score pts. I don’t see the D as the biggest problem (that’s MS) though we need new guys almost everywhere including S, which is why I questioned your draft order. Some folks see us picking a S high and picking up one in FA, that’s how bad we are back there. To the rest of you guys, Hillis will be cheaper re his injury and I can see Rex going crazy over him. GaryC, you read my mind on Carrier, that was one of Rex’s most ridiculous moves and it took him 3 yrs to see it. And I’ll admit I may be an outlier here but I think you guys are shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic, we have too many problems to be all that good next yr. I’m mostly waiting for Rex to go.

  110. By cgb on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe and tom64 for that matter, you are both anti- sanchez. That’s a fact. For some reason at some point late last year or early on this year when we started losing games it all of a sudden became MS fault. Never mind that Tanny did not address the needs to fortify the o-line when it became apparent that we desparately needed help early on this past season. When he could have brought back woody, and or signed a quality back-up.Then reaching for a veteran WR in D. Mason,that we really didn’t need. The jets team was flawed from the onset.Look at eli’s first 3 yr’s stats almost identical to MS.look at were eli is today and ask yourself can mark S. improve?we played poorly the last 4 games,and it was not all MS. SH quit on us those 4 games.

  111. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Spice, Karan, and others, here’s how Cimini sums it up today on Sanchez, and I agree: “Under Cavanaugh and Schottenheimer, Sanchez made strides in his first two seasons, but he committed a career-high 26 turnovers last season, got sloppy with his mechanics and played poorly down the stretch. He set career highs in touchdowns (26) and passing yards (3,474 yards), but even team officials publicly acknowledged after the season that he didn’t play well.” So that’s why I’m only minimally optimistic about his future. Another thing Cimini suggests is that we’re having trouble attracting coaches, which I think will prove true with players too (Reverse of Love of Rex Theory, GaryC) and why I think a complete FO/HC makeover is what’s really needed.

  112. By westcoastJET28 on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    We can have an AP or a D. McFadden in the back field and they wouldn’t do any better then Green without a hole to run through. I never blamed MS solely for the teams term oil, however, I don’t see him ever being the great franchise QB we want him to be. I know there are a lot of issues on this team and it starts from the top in the FO, to the coaches, down to the players. We failed to add depth at the Oline and a viable stater at RT, which not only hurt MS but, hurt the running game probably much more. How can you expect to run when your being hit before you reach the line of scrimmage? To say Greene is the problem, I don’t get that. I don’t think he is a feature back right now, but, he still can be. He is not the problem.

  113. By cgb on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    cont… Then we found out about the locker room, and pointing fingers at each other. rex not getting involved ,because he had no idea what was happening.But somehow this is all MS fault too. From player personel, to team chemistry to coaches not having the pulse of the team. To shotty becoming the scapegoat. So many mistakes from penalties on critical downs to fumbles and TO ,none of wich MS could control . This becomes your main focus and concern is to upgrade the QB.Scjoe, and tom 64, alot of what i hear from both of you is how MS is not and never will be any good. That seems to be center stage on your wish list of changes.well tom64 wants to change everything. So many things wrong, so much too fix.

  114. By westcoastJET28 on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I wasn’t talking about your comments about winning in spite of MS. I was talking about your need to post these redundant ststistics. If statistics wins game then this is not much of a game at all but, more of a mathamatical conquest. Its like saying if we pass for 300+ yards and 3 passing TD’s every game, we are guranteed to win. You look at stats but, don’t realize that most of his stats come from garbage time, or when were are behind in panic mode. As I stated before, I never blamed MS entirely for the melt down, I just believe he is a key part of it. I do recognize his shinning moments but, they are fleeting.

  115. By DKM on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    This is for GaryC, scjoe and Spicer, you got to be kidding me, first off Spicer rarely do Colleges play a 3-4, where did any of you get the info what a 3-4 or 4-3 needs or how it works (WIKIPEDIA). Give me a Break. Harris would play most likely if at all DE in a 4-3 not Mike, Sam or Will. He is too Tall and too Strong and not fast enough. Go get you info on the Coachespanel not on Wikipedia.
    He is a Prototypical 3-4 MLB cause he fits exactly what they want. To see over the 2 Tackles and Nose too identefie the blocks, and where the point of aqttack is or if QB is throwing. Covering is not nessecery, it is plus, cause coverage is handed of to secondery or will be identefied by him before hand.

  116. By cgb on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Im not sure what the answer is at QB?, mark needs competition thats for sure, but i am not ready to throw him under the bus like some of his teamates did, and alot of fans did. I will respectively wait and give mark some good competition and see what happens.Lots of upgrades in many positions needs to happen. Tanny and rex are on thin ice.

  117. By westcoastJET28 on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    64′ Tom, once again a pinpoint assessment of the QB and RB position. I think yourself and I are on the same page, especially due to the fact that we watch every single snap and are not only diehard Jets fans but, football fans as well. I couldn’t agree more that OLB and S are the most important need then a RB. Unless we address these issues in FA, I think OLB & S have to be the first picks. As for the RB position, we have a Balial Powell who is one year older as a Vet, he might develope into something special this offseason. Who knows.

  118. By DKM on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Please no Manning,you cant tell me the FO hasnt learned anything from the Favre debacle. Cause if they dont you dont deserve my benefit of doubt and im running on the JFS64 Bandwaggon. FIRE EVERYBODY, cause you dont deserve better.
    As scjoe points out we live or die with Sanchez this year, politics or not, and that would be by far the better move than Manning. Sorry sc however you twist it, it would set the Jets back by years to come. Moneywise and talentwise the Team would not catch up to him too give him the proper tools too compete. He would be ready to retire by the time they get the pieces into place and than what. Just for instat gratification i dont think so.

  119. By DKM on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer you better than that, it is always the QB and Coach when things go wrong, and it is always the whole Team when things go right. So you cant blame Poeple to think that way cause we all done it. And for the RB good Teams almost always try to Pick one in the later Rounds unless is a sure thing and a total need, we could use one, but not that desperate, we have so much more bigger needs to adress, pending on FA.( RT,OLB,S)
    AllanO i like your approach on some of you fixes but need to see more of McElroy if he is still on the Team.

  120. By DKM on Feb 13, 2012 | Reply

    russ you have to explain to me what we gain to trade out of the 1st round, back a couple of spots i can understand, 16th pick is worth 1600 points to trade out of the 1st round requires a high second,a high third and a player or a low 4th rounder, three posibiletis to screw up instead of one.
    As for BB, beside Mayo who did they Draft, he cant draft a WR, RB, or CB for the life of it ask any Pats Fan. Andre Carter was undraftet so was Alexander and all play on D. He migt have an eye for Walkons and undrafted, sortet out Players and puts them in the right position too sucseed but in th Draft he hasnt convinced me yet. Like a lot of Expert say the Draft is a crapshoot.

  121. By ROY23 on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    biggest problem is RB. i don’t think greene ever was or ever will be the guy. someone said go after p. hillis. that would be nice but he’s gonna want top RB $$$ LT wasn’t used enough last yr. maybe one more yr??? in his first yr. he rushed for over 900 yards before rex & schotty stopped running him in favor of greene.last yr. he wasn’t used period. they forced fed greene. and he just barely broke a 1000 yards. RB & WR. plax not returning, PT will be just as good in the $$$$zone same size as plax. & kerley in the slot. remember he was a rookie last yr. and S’s big one’s to match the pat’s TE’s. draft either upshaw or ingram. i feel a battle for starting QB would serve wonders for all involved including MS. but remember MS. is one of a few QB

  122. By ROY23 on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    QB’s to win 30 games (reg. sea.) in his first 3 yrs. P.S I enjoy reading all your post!!! SPICER, IRA, JETS FAN SINCE 64 TOM, WAYNE, SCJOE, DINO, GARY.C JUST TO NAME A FEW KEEP UP THE POST & STICK WITH WHAT YOU BELIEVE… THANX

  123. By Gabriel on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett You are right I agree with you with Rex’s ability to get the most out of his players and take an average team to the brink of superbowl twice but(talking to the MS haters) you just cant throw a guy under the bus after only 3 years. MS has done alot of good things for us, regular season stats dont mean nothing once your in the playoffs, he has been clutch and helped us and won games for us when it counted. He may never be our tom brady or drew brees but he just might be, It takes TIME and playing time and EXP to be a great QB, he reminds me of Joe Namath and Joe was even worse than Sanchez with 160+ Tds and 200+ints. Tom 64 how has he been dissapointing? I’m glad you finally admit your not a True Loyal Jet Fan

  124. By Gabriel on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    I think there also needs to be a Ban on the “All knowing” Tom 64′s bashing of the MS and Rex The People who Helped LEAD the Jets to the Brink of the Super Bowl. They Are the reason why the Jets have been a very good playoff caliber team and the reason they can be seen as super bowl contenders every year. Tom spicer I completely agree with you. Sanchez has the Tools and smarts to be a great Qb its called BEING PATIENT. Something people still NEED to learn. This is a really good organzation that has the hunger to bring back a Super bowl Trophy back home. I can’t wait for the offseason to offically start and the draft as well. Mark@Jets Realty why cut Mike Westoff his a specail teams genuis! MS seemes to work well in the no huddle..

  125. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Cimini also writes: “Why keep Cavanaugh? 3 possible reasons: A) They didn’t want to create too much upheaval around Sanchez, B) They couldn’t get anyone better; C) They didn’t want to eat the final year of Cavanaugh’s contract. I think there were elements of all 3 that factored into the decision.” And the 4th reason, GaryC: Reverse Love of Rex Theory. I told Arte weeks ago that we’d never get any coach from GB, much less their OC, but I didn’t realize how right I was. It’s absolutely ridiculous that after the yr MS had, after more people around the NFL than not think he shouldn’t even be starting, we weren’t able to bring in any new coach to work with him. Expect more of this as Rex’s overrated tenure peters out and Woody faces the music.

  126. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    And before some of you chime in with “But Rex took us to 2 AFC championship games in a row!,” I already went over that with Arte today. I told him that believe it or not, out in the real world beyond Rex’s dreams there are teams that have WON several SUPER BOWLS in the last 10 yrs — NE, PIT, NYG, etc. THAT is where we CLAIM we want to get but in fact, this site is routinely filled with posts from Jet fans who are THRILLED to go to the AFC title game and LOSE! It’s said we get the politicians we deserve and that’s true of HC’s and football teams too. So don’t bother me with Curtis Martin nostalgia, Jessica’s Pro Bowl photos, and other such website filler. When you wanna talk about using a smart, tough FO to build a winning team, lemme know.

  127. By IRA on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Hope keeping Cavanaugh was the right move. I think Sparano should’ve been able to hire his own QB coach and seemed like he wanted too.
    And please lets not see Moss talk to the Jets. Its the worst and last thing this team needs right now. This is a strong WR draft and there will be plenty of FA WR’s available too.

  128. By Bennett on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    First off season move I hear is that the are going to keep that Superstar Hunter, Not a good start huh? This is when the coach has to assert himself. T-baum is a numbers guy, a bean counter and not a football guy . Parcells use to always fight with George Young the GM on the old Giants about players, and Young was a fantastic GM ( this was way before Parcells was all- powerful ). Parcells use to say about the fights ” If I am the cook I should have a say in the ingrediants ” I could just here Parcells saying to Young about a superstar like Hunter returning…. ” yeah go ahead and keep him if you want but he won’t play one down for me” …. Ryan has to understand that he is the cook.

  129. By GaryC on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, so Chase Blackburn is better than David Harris, he played middle linebacker for the super bowl champs this year,if you have a strong front you can have a 6’2 245 pound linebacker, and I can give you many others, wikipedia not withstanding.JET FAN TOM,you love that love of rex theory I had last year when you and many others said that rex would bring many to the jets and I said no way.Well it came to fruition that people weren’t coming here because of Rex and they won’t come this year either, we might have to start THE LOVE OF SPARANO THEORY.

  130. By GaryC on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    oh,no,I can see it now, who will be the first jet blogger to post, Manning to Moss in jet green.just beginning this years all galaxy team.

  131. By Tom Spicer on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, With all due respect Harris was a SUTD 4 – 3 MLB at Michigan thats why we traded up to get the guy. His whole life up until he became a Jet he was a 4 – 3 MLB so to say he can not play the position I do not agree.

  132. By GaryC on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne, just because you admire the way a team runs a business doesn’t make you a fan,your jealousy of the Pats is too much,Tell the Jets to get better and you won’t have to fear them as much as the tax man.your second favorite team the giants has no trouble beating them.

  133. By Tom Spicer on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    As I had said above I wanted to get a WR & a RT in free agency. Plax will not be back & I do not want Hunter as my starting RT. Then what I wanted was the Jets to get the best pass rusher out there at 16 (Upshaw or Ingram). Then trade up into the late 1st round to get Barron or stay put & take the best saftey out there in the 2nd round. If they think there is a great RB to be had with the 16th pick in the 2nd round then DO IT.

  134. By GaryC on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    DKM,andre carter was undrafted, did you get that off of wikipedia,he was drafted out of Californina by the 49′ers.

  135. By Tom Spicer on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    This is OUT OF CONTROL either Sanchez & Greene played poorly OR the O line & the coaching was bad. 1 OR THE OTHER you can not say it is on the QB & not on the O line & then give Greene a pass. I bring up Greene & it is OH THE O LINE but then I bring up Mark & the O line is no excuse BULL YOU KNOW WHAT! Either Greene & Mark BOTH played bad or it is on the O line.

  136. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks, westcoast, the denial re Sanchez’s career to date knows no bounds for some on this site, so Greene and the RBs MUST be blamed. My pick for who’ll be the next culprit: Denise Garvey. ROY23, I don’t say Hillis is the answer or even that I want him but he’s the kind of player that Rex, most likely mistakenly, will salivate over, I can just hear him now, “This guy’s the 2nd coming of John Riggins.” (The only post-’72 players Rex knows are Ravens.) Gabriel, to argue that this Jets team and org needs a complete makeover is hardly a radical move, most folks west of the Mississippi take that granted if they mention us at all. Ask DKM,who agrees with me today, how many guys we’d REALLY have to retain in a full housecleaning — 20? 18? 15?

  137. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    And Gabriel, since you don’t seem to know much about how to evaluate a QB when you watch him play — Weak arm? Stare-down syndrome? Passes constantly ahead of or behind the receiver at any distance? All apparently beyond you — let me see if I can retrain your visual focus in another way. In the classic THE FRIENDS OF EDDIE COYLE (Criterion DVD), Robert Mitchum’s desperate but worldly small-time crook tells Steven Keats’ arrogant young punk gun-runner, “The first thing I learned is never to ask a man why he’s in a hurry.” You’d do well, in the spirit of Christian brotherhood, to extend that to your fellow Jet fan. Some of us have been wracking our brains on how to build this team into a winner longer than you’ve been watching pro football.

  138. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Finally, Gabriel, your citing of Joe’s TDs vs. INTs shows zero knowledge of how the game was played then in the AFL or even in the NFL after about ’66. I seriously doubt you were suffering in the Shea winds or sitting at home ears glued to the radio monitoring Joe’s progress back in the day. Ira, is hoping that keeping Cavanaugh was the right move all you’ve got to say on this subject? One of the reasons I think this grab-bag of coaching changes doesn’t mean much is because it’s pretty absurd to bring in a new OC but NOT let him hire his own QB coach. When Campbell, Orton, or McElroy outplay Sanchez to start (I believe all 3 could), how is Sparano to make the case to Rex? More evidence that this yr is just preamble to the big moves in 2013.

  139. By IRA on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    DKM,
    Thats right the draft is the biggest crapshoot there is for sure. Nobody really knows until they step on a NFL field. Thats why i will stick with my feelings about the Combine coming up soon. Its a bunch of nonsense except for getting to talk to the players. Everybody looks good running, throwing and catching in shorts with no pressure on them. I say give me game film and thats the best way and only way they shoud evaluate these players. You can’t measure a players heart and soul by a 40 time or how many times he can bench at so much weight.

  140. By GaryC on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Brandon Jacobs now says he would be open to play for Jets,Man, players who are over the hill sure know where to get their final paychecks,just ring up the jets, that is the only thing they seem to be proficient in.

  141. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Amen on the Combine, Ira. Not that it’s totally useless — only almost so — but the Jets seem to draft better without it. GaryC, Sparano won’t be HC long enough for there to be any theories about him, the theorizing will be about how we all fell for Rex’s house of cards, which was built on a few D schemes and a lot of hot air and done in by his glaring inability to identify talent, groom players, and manage all aspects of the game. It’s telling that 2 of the picks he wanted most, Conner and Powell, are 2 of the least valuable picks we’ve made during his tenure. The choice of Carrier to coach the DL was, of course, just another instance of Rex’s overly emotional approach to personnel. I’m actually surprised he got away with that one.

  142. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    By the way, Harvard prof, I meant to say that your post about Rex’s bizarre ground and pound enthusiasm in a division with NE was totally brilliant. What’s more, as I was telling Arte yesterday, the Pats are going after WRs and D guys! Can you imagine how much harder it’s going to be to beat them if they can line up, say, Colston, Welker, some high draft pick WR, Gronk, and Hernandez? And if they pick up a few younger FA’s on D? And if MIA goes for Peyton or Flynn and they work out, we’ve got a newly-empowered threat from the South! So for those who think Sanchez can make it or break it this yr, it better be break it ’cause at least BUF has Johnson and Spiller. We could soon be the least explosive team on O in our division!

  143. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Typo on my part — that shoulda been “it better be make it” for Sanchez. I guess I was dreaming about him breaking records, which is what he’s gonna need to do (and not for turnovers) if those other teams in our division upgrade their O’s as seriously as they well might. GaryC, forgiving Jason Taylor to make him a Jet for one unnecessary yr was bad enough. If the Jets even think about signing Jacobs after he crossed the field post-game to call Rex “fat boy” and Rex foolishly engaged him like some hot-headed kid in a schoolyard instead of ignoring him like the HC that he’s supposed to be, this team and this organization will have hit a new watermark for joke status.

  144. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Retaining Cavanaugh mmm..thought the Jets would have shown some kind of interest in Fassel. Just one of those moves that makes you shake your head. I think a lot of the pro-sanchez guys here always go back to the 2 AFC championship games. But let’s get it straight. Sanchez was a game manager. The O-line and Running game and the Defense were the main factors. Now I am sure scjoe and 64tom see what many other fans see in mark..it’s not his arm..it’s his mental make-up. The timing of ill-advised throws..his reading the defenses and the field of vision. Staring down his WR. We could look at our TV’s and tell you where mark is going to throw the ball. That’s not a lie guys. It’s FACT. MAYBE with the RIGHT coaching and someone breathing down

  145. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Marks neck..Just maybe he’ll prove worthy of his 1st round pick. On to another subject. David Harris is the MOST UNDER-RATED LB in the NFL. And he did play the Mike at Michigan. And you will see less and less of the 3-4 more of the 4-3 and even 4-4 because it’s becoming more of a passing league. Rex likes using the 4-4 by-the way. And everyone knows that the D-line is what makes your LB’s good. Can you imagine D-Harris playing with a front four like the Giants??? Like the pick-up of Dunbar could Jared Allen be on his way to NY?….that would answer the pass rush issue right away.

  146. By wayne on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, my jealousy of the Patriots!!!!! You’re killin’ me islander fan! I believe Belichick, being the egomaniac competitor he is, wants his championships cleaned up( trust me, he hears the whispers, and they’re screaming at em). And they’ll never be cleaned until he wins another one fairly….The St Louis Rams, and Billy and Mr Bundchen, if they were willing to admit it, would agree as well……..Look I’m a New Yorker, but I don’t live there anymore. Believe me it causes you to appreciate certain things about it more………Ain’t nothing good happening there(n some bad) that don’t cause me 2 put on my NYC gear every chance i get….Giants win, I’m appreciating my hometown…No jealousy here for the Patisies. KEEP THOSE 3 DIRTY TROPHIES.

  147. By IRA on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Tom,
    Thats why they will sign Henne besides that fact that he has ties to Sparano. No real threat to Mark’s job. I would sign Orton or Campbell in a hearbeat to compete with Mark this summer.
    As for Jacobs have a funny feeling he ends up with the Pats. I want no part of him. We need to get younger and faster not older and slower.

  148. By wayne on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    64, there are but a few QBs in the NFL capable to going toe to toe with Tom Brady. The New York Jets do not possess one of those QBs. You don’t go to a gun fight with knife…Buffalo Bills with all their offensive couldn’t win SB…..Here, I go again, the Giants when they winning theirs, until this year, did it with ground and pound. NE went 18 -1 with ridiculous offense. Aaron Rodgers was unstoppable this year, didn’t win it…ON and on and on. All you have to do is play keep away. And you do that with ground and pound and little play action..With a couple of good backs, which Jets also do not possess, that is possible. Then Jets won’t have to chase a QB with a weak noodle..You know who I’m talkin bout.TURN IT INTO A KNIFE FIGHT.

  149. By wayne on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    GARYC, CALL THOSE THINGS THE THREE ALBATROSSES……THEY’LL GROW HEAVIER AND HEAVIER ABOUT BILL NECK WITH TIME………………..Trophies trophies everywhere, not another one to spare.

  150. By wayne on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Keeping Cavanaugh was the only move. You have a QB still developing. Hate to use this saying but, it is what is. GQ has not arrived yet. You can’t take everything he knew from him, scrap it all and say, go out there and have a probowl year…..There would be challenges for a seasoned vet being thrown into a new system.

  151. By wayne on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Islander, you’re just jealous cause the Rangers are crushin right now. CRUSHIN!!!!!!

  152. By robertpapalia on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    All this bickering back and forth. What it comes down to this. If the Jets continue to go down hill in 2012, it won`t matter what players the Jets bring in. Rex will get fired and Tannenbaum will be following him closely out the door.

  153. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks for giving me and scjoe some credit, Allan, for watching the games, which some on this site don’t seem to do. That’ll be next, saying watching Sanchez do his deer-in-the-headlights thing is unpatriotic, that we should just listen like Beane in MONEYBALL so as not to embarrass him. Ira, Arte was whipping himself into one of his frenzies of enthusiasm yesterday (like when he told me we’d beat the Eagles and the Giants easily) about Henne coming over to compete with Sanchez now that Schotty’s gone. But Henne, who has more INTS than TDs, would be a step down, so I hope you’re wrong about the Jets being afraid to bring in Campbell or Orton. Wayne, the Giants played keep away vs NE but they also had Eli and M’ham and that’s what you need.

  154. By wayne on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Tannenbaum and Rex more than the New York Jets organization can not afford not to have a viable second option at QB. Make that mistake once and get away with it. Making it a second time will be a career killer…………Strictly for self preservation, they’ll get a viable option in there…………..Hoping it’s Campbell……A kid who couldn’t throw the ball outplayed Orton……………..Yeah 64, you know who I’m talkin bout …………………..LION HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  155. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    NO….NO….NO….NO Jacobs….NO MOSS….If the NYJ even looks their way I am hanging up my Jersey!..

  156. By GaryC on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, you remind me of a friend I have where we went against each other constantly,me a jet fan,he a giant,me a met,he a yankee,and yes he a ranger and I an islander,he called the islanders the fishsticks with that new logo they use to have,and I used to laugh,but we all know the rangers and that one cup in 70 years has to be getting at you.I also do not live in NYC any longer but I still rooted for certain ny teams and not all.nothing wrong with that.Oh be careful about that ranger cup,they have faded in the playoffs before,do you remember what bobby orr and espo did to them in the 72 playoffs.

  157. By GaryC on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, are you going to put on a mask of Bloomberg if he wins an election,he is all about new york too.

  158. By wayne on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    SINCE MARK SANCHEZ(……..)IS GOING TO BE THE QB OF THE NEW YORK JETS, LIKE IT OR NOT, SHOULDN’T THE OBJECTIVE TO PUT HIM IN THE BEST POSITION TO SUCCEED? WELL THEN, GET HIM BLOCKERS, GET HIM RUNNERS…………THEY’VE BEEN TRYING TO GET HIM RECEIVERS LAST 2 YEARS. ENOUGH A THAT ALREADY…………IT WILL MAKE PASSING GAME BETTER AS WELL………………SIMPLE.

  159. By Bennett on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Hey JET 64 I liked the way Ryan stood up to Jacobs and told him to shove it where the sun don’ shine that took a pair of….. guts. Would you have done it ? Now be honest man ? Exactly how is a Head Coach supposed to act mature and aloof … save it for some one else … maybe Bellichek would act like that he would probably let some one slap him around, I always liked the Ditka types this is not the sport for little girlee coaches. Ryan would have fought him right there with cameras and all… my type of man… sick of all these girlee mans..The Jet players should have been all over that guy in a second and started a big brawl… you stand up for your coach…i shamefull !!!

  160. By Bennett on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Another Parcells story.. I saw this camp film clip way back when. Parcells takes 2 rookies out to coach them on how to return punts.The looked kind of excited having the big man take the time with him . So he walks out on the field with them and the are eager as heck and he looks up to the sky and says ” you look at the ball then you catch the ball ” then he just turns around and walks away and they are just standing there with funniest looks on their faces. Of coarse the lesson he taught them is he cannot teach them anything as it is all instinct once you safely have the ball and cannot be taught either you got or you don’t.

  161. By scjoe on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    ROY23, thanks for that dose of reason and reality! I have gone on record saying an elite RB is the one position that is needed more then any other for this team right now. We all know about the quality of play by the RT, OLBs, the safety’s etc. But as I have posted over and over, and like with Blinka, no one listening, an elite RB would not only help MS (presuming he is the starter) and this offense, but it would also keep the defense off the field for longer periods. If you don’t have that “elite” QB (and we do not) then you better spend more time on the running game. I say selecting a dynamic RB in the 1st round would help this team more then any other position.

  162. By GaryC on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne, being a jet fan, I will take one albatross and see if it weighs me down.

  163. By scjoe on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    cgb, I’m not sure we are speaking the same language, so I will repeat what my reply was to your post earlier on. I HAVE acknowledged over and over again the shortcomings on both sides of the ball for this Jets team. I HAVE mentioned the O line, specifically the RT. I HAVE mentioned the OLBs and the lack of a pass rush. I HAVE mentioned the inability of any of the safety’s to either cover or support the run. SO, if I am “anti-Sanchez” as you suggest, why aren’t I also anti Hunter, Leonard, Scott, Pace, Smith, S. Greene, Pool etc. etc. and etc? I don’t know exactly how long you have been following pro football, but it don’t take long to figure out that the QB is the focal point of the team.

  164. By Bennett on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Another old Giants story. All I heard about and read about was this new Giants player LT.. Not being a fan I never saw him play finally I said I got to see this guy. I turn the game on already in progress I know his number. No sooner than I sit down I see this back break a run around the end and he has daylight all of a sudden out of nowhere I mean no where comes this player at full speed like a blur and does this savage, vicious head tackle and just totally decks this guy practically takes his head off.. I was stunned at the velocity and pure power I just witnessed. I look at the number and I says SO THAT IS LT !!!

  165. By scjoe on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, No, I did not get my knowledge of the game from Wikipedia. I got mine from playing 4 years and coaching at the youth level for 4 years,both on the defensive side of the ball, and following the sport for more then 50 years..So, when you talk about who can and who can not play the “will” the ‘Mike” or the “sam” THAT sound more to me like something right out of Wikipedia. And when you say Harris can not play MLB in a 4-3 based defense because he is either to tall, to strong, or to slow, I really don’t know where that comes from, certainly not Wikipedia, or even Pro Football for Dummies! If the NY Jets put D Harris on the trade block I guarantee yo most of the 4-3 based Ds will line up for his services.

  166. By scjoe on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    All this talk of signing Orton or Campbell to compete with Sanchez this off season, I just do not see the logic. What would it say, honestly, about Mark Sanchez if either one of those two players were to beat him out for the starting job? First of all, do you really think Mike Tannanbaum or Woody Johnson wants to see that happen? Aside from another year of Mark Sanchez the only other viable options would be Peyton or Flynn, and both of those are long shots as well. So, lets get ourselves ready for MS part IV

  167. By scjoe on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Just got through reading a very interesting article on Bleacher Report where they list the NY Jets most immediate needs, low and behold they list RB, yes, Running Back as their most immediate need, and pretty much for the same reasons I have been mentioning all along. S Greene, despite gaining 1000yds (in a 16 game season) is simply not the answer for this team. The article states that if Richardson is there at 16 (which I doubt very much) the Jets will not pass him up. With Sparano coming in look for the philosophy to change, and remember what I said about a possible Keller trade.

  168. By GaryC on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Look, with the economy being as it is, the jets can save on their scouting dept, by just calling one jet blogger per round and ask them who they would take in draft.couldn’t do much worse and might do a helluva lot better for a lot less cost.what about it Tanny.

  169. By GaryC on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    It is funny how people make football out now to be so complicated, with will, mike and sam linebackers,it is strongside,weakside and middle.just like basketball, where this guy is a one, two ,or three.or he can’t play the three only the two.Please as Bill Cowher once told Greg LLoyd,just get the quarterback,and that will take care of all the genius thinking.

  170. By DKM on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    None of the Prospect talks and Mock drafts dont mean anything until we get to the Combine, even players who showed something in the senior Bowl can quickly fall out of ranks and guys who showed something get on Coaches Radar. Yeah, Ira cant wait to get there with no Football to watch it is pretty interesting how some of these things unfold.
    It always amazes me how much these Draftorders of Players changes till we get there. And only a quarter of all Players taken in the Draft really work out.
    Thats why i dont like to make any predictions on the Players we take or wich ones we posibley take.

  171. By SOCALJETFAN on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Can’t wait for the JETS SEASON to get here already,SANCHEZ will be ready to get going,just hope the O-LINE steps it up,also glad they signed Patrick Turner,SANCHEZ and Turner are going to be a combination to be reckoned with this year.LETS GO JETS!!!

  172. By westcoastJET28 on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    I dont understand how everybody expects a RB to carry the team, especially with a bad Oline and a playcaller who called nothing but up the middle runs. If there is no hole or a crease or a cut back to run through, just getting back to the line or a gain of 2 is tough sledding. If you have a weak link on the Oline, it like playing with an injury, your body compensates for that injury and you end up hurting something else. Meaning, when somebody fails at there job (RT), the rest of the line had to pick up the slack, making a second read or trying to block an extra guy. This causes havoc in the back field. With a mobile QB this shouldn’t be as much a problem but, we all saw how even that, MS strength, failed.

  173. By joe-retired li/fla on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    jets fan since’64 tom: i read all the comments on here. i understand what evarybody wants! but, why bring-up the name of ‘john riggins’. i didn’t buy hess gasoline for atleast a decade. just look at what became of our team, and what he did for the “skins”! i read some comments some people giving you a hard time! i’am with you kid. and i know -so is ira! somehow we got to get it to the fo.

  174. By DKM on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe when is the last time you coached or played in the 60′s or 70′s, yeah, the Game has past you buy, and dont base it on coaching Peewee Football, thats different alltogether, i got my info from current scouts and Talent evaluators. Please go do you home work and read up on what the Jobs are for a LB, in 3-4 ( if you even know what it means) and a 4-3, maybe they didnt use the Term, Will, Sam, Mike when you where playing, cause the last time i checked they where ligit in Football jargon and used mmmhhhh pretty much by every Football Coach. Dont insult my Football intel.

  175. By DKM on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Here is a hint and pretty good source of the workings in Football NOW A DAYS, SCJOE, (modern Day Football get it) NFL’s Network coaches inside, Espn’s gameday Breakdowm. anything PAT KERWIN, JIM MILLER or GIL BRAD, writes and maybe the NFL REWIND. Sorry Randy didnt mean to use your Plattform as a ADD campaign.

  176. By DKM on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    JFS64 dont get too exited i still believe we can get something out of Sanchez, for whatever its worth, and look at the bright side if he has just half a decent year the 50 Mill. dont look so bad after all. ha,ha
    But even a half decent year will not justify the FO and a change is in Order, i then will concede to changing the whole Organization or maybe lobbeing for Woody to sell the Team.
    I do understand your point about being mediocre, yes and it is unexceptable, even for us as Jets Fans.

  177. By DKM on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    RB is not one of our most pressing needs, it is still S, WR, if you look at the Team realisticly and i do not like the idea of taking either one of those in the 1st round. You better off to adress the Lines cause those guys normally pan out.

  178. By DKM on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Oh GaryC my point was not by the Pats get it. And by the 49ers in the 7th a Throw away pick.

  179. By DKM on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe 50 years of Football that means you stuck in the old school, cause the 3-4 came really full circle with Parcells in the 90′s, since then even in the 3-4 the rolle of a LB out or middle have changed, the requeirements that defines a LB in a 3-4 have changed too. Thats why you will see a lot of teams who switch systems rather trade there personel instead of hanging on to them. Watch Indy this year, wich will switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4, and Buffalo or Miami for that matter going from a 3-4 to a 4-3, and it wouldnt suprise me if you have some sort of trades going on between these team coming FA or Draft.

  180. By Frank on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Allan thats interesting that you brought up Allen. You weren’t on the site then but Spicer, Ira and the others were at the time when the Chiefs were dangling him for a first rounder I was screaming for TanWoody to get him but instead they opt for guys like Pace and waste picks on Jenkins etc. If TanWoody had listened to ME we would have had Allen rushing the QB and Cutler throwing for 5000 yards with our offense in 2009 and 2010 and we would have won a Championship. Insead we got the aforemntioned Pace and Jenkins and of course Sanchize-Not one of the worst starting QB’s in the NFL over the last 3 years. We won inspite of him and Gabriel brilliant analysis Rex is the reason we are in the hunt every year????

  181. By Frank on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Last I looked we had a team #1 in defense and #1 in rushing in 2009 and we went 9-7 with the Colts laying down for the Jets to make the playoffs. We had Sanchize-Not who single handedly lost 4 games by himself that year. Additionally that was the first time in NFL history a team with those rankings had the worst regular season record AND did not go the the Superbowl. 2010 was a good year. 2011 was absolutely abysmal and it starts and ends with Rex he was the worst coach in the NFL last season. His personell moves, his big mouth naming team captains, not having a pulse of the team AND not knowing his start QB and star Receiver are bickering like two children the week of the most important game of the season. Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!

  182. By westcoastJET28 on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Carrying a load is much different then caring a team. Spicer, I think you have no idea or just don’t realize what a QB’s responsibilities are on a football team. QB’s are what gel a team together, lead a team, and put the weight & pressure on their shoulders. You seem to think a QB’s responsibilities are that of a male lions. Wait for the RB to attack, make the kill, and then after the opposing team is incapacitated come in to be the first to feast. Sorry for my animal planet analogy but, that is the best way to put it. It should be the other way around, after a QB lights up the score board or get the O to the redzone, then should the RB come in to either kill time or punch it in. That’s just how the NFL is now. A QB driven league.

  183. By westcoastJET28 on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    You can’t rely on a RB to do everything and I never thought SG was ready to be the starter, I thought after the 10′ season LT would be the starter and SG would come in to pound the opposing D to submission as he did when TJ was here. And then McKnight would be used as our change of pace back but, that was not to be. It also didn’t help that we had horrendous play calling and an inept Oline this past season. I blame the FO and coaching, they could have done so much things different or kept the team that was winning. Instead they made ridiculous moves this past offseason that hurt our chemistry, production, along with the regression of our QB. Even our D suffered from those moves.

  184. By russ on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    DKM reply unless we get a Pass rusher at #1 it would be best to either get a 2 & 3 for the pick of trade for next years#1 and get a 3 pick ….with a 2 & 3 you can fix OL Get safety and Running back and linebacker with 4 picks…if we still have a 2&3 of our own…

  185. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Uh, Bennett, you serious? Aside from the fact it makes any HC look incredibly petty to be bothered by anything any player says…aside from the fact Rex shoulda known he’d look and sound ridiculous telling Jacobs we were gonna win the SB…I guess it didn’t occur to you that if Rex and Jacobs had started brawling, a riot in which football fans grossly outnumbered cops would’ve broken out and Rex, and the Jets, woulda been blamed for it. scjoe, great posts, isn’t it something the way you can pt out all kinds of the things this team needs but once you include our weak QB, you’re “anti-Sanchez” and nothing more? And I don’t say Campbell or Orton are great, just that any average QB we get is likely to play consistently better than “Mark.”

  186. By DKM on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Here is another one for whoever runs the relations department for the jets, how do you even consider having a press release going out you showing interest in Randy Moss youve got to be making this stuff up that cant be coming from you higher ups cause that show’s no sense for any Talent left in this game and total ineptenis, who you actually trying too scare with this, the Pats, Miami, Buffallo, whom explain, cause if its Philly i got news they not in your Division or Conference. Give me a break some of this crap coming out of Jets Camp makes no sense. Thats not League Politics thats utter nonsense.
    You need those Headlines that desperate. Stop it.

  187. By wayne on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Waduya know scjoe………….I’ve been saying Greene wasn’t the answer since before last season started……He’s a good 2nd guy. After a D has been soften up a bit. Lacking something….As I said, if a marquee back falls, I believe they’re snatching him…..And if the prevailing opinion is that RB are that valuable high in the draft anymore, then it is quite possible one will be there for them……….scjoe, Jets simply CANNOT go into season without a viable alternative at QB…………………………GrayC, I hear ya.

  188. By scjoe on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    On Brandon Jacobs becoming a Jet, I see all the usual suspects are against that move and for no other reason then Brett Favre, Ronnie Lott, Steve Atwater, Jason Taylor and all the rest of those aging vets the Jets brought in over the years. Well, one has nothing to do with the other. If you are like me, and want upgrades to your roster, you would want Jacobs over S Greene. Jacobs at 29 is hardly an aging vet. He really don’t have that much wear and tear on him and with the right running mate he could make this run game go. If the price is right, or similar to what SG will make, go with Jacobs.

  189. By MIKE on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Not sure who brought up Keller trade but that is interesting scenario. On paper Keller does not fit the what the Jets do offensively which is run the ball and hope for big plays. You could easily get a 2nd rounder for him and maybe more. On the flip side, MS looses his favourite target and only skill position player that has been with him the whole time. And that definitely will not help MS’s confidence. Problem is under the right offence Keller is a 90+ catch 10 TD player.

  190. By Tom Spicer on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, Your blind hate for the QB knows no end. So Mark is at fault for his play even thou he got sacked 40 times. But Greene is okay because the line played poorly SORRY BUDDY you can not have your cake & eat it to. This is not Burger King you CANT have it your way. If Mark can not use the O line as a excuse then Greene can not use the O line as a excuse. Greene just finished his 3rd year for a NFL running back that is like 6 years. You can not say for sure Mark has peaked. I can say WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT Greene is what he is he will not get better he is a complmetary / change of pace back AT BEST!

  191. By Tom Spicer on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I do not see Keller getting traded Sparano likes to run alot of 2 TE sets we will have Cumberland back to replace Mulligan this year (thank god). So those are our 2 TES.

  192. By cgb on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, the QB is the focal point in the NFL, we both agree on that. All im saying is that in many of your post you are so fixated on changing the QB, that it seems to me, that you think it is futile to even begin to fix anything else until we solve the QB issue.Tell me if i am correct on this thinking. IF not then i apologize.

  193. By Karan on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Changes that need to be made on OFFENSE:

    Need a new RT (i guess through the draft or perhaps a free agent)

    Need more depth on the O-line (def. re-sign Rob Turner, I hope the Cowboys don’t take him cause Callahans there now, and hopefully the decision to retain Wayne Hunter will result him being a back-up like before)

    Need more QB depth (gives Mark more competition)

    Need a good blocking tight end (Keller and Cumberland are really good receivers but we need a Ben Hartsock type blocker) please get rid of Mulligan, horrible player

    Need a new WR (i would love to have Braylon back, great chemistry with Mark and gives us the deep vertical threat much, I just the jets feel the same)

    release ducasse now
    Most importantly, LEADERSHIP on the O!!

  194. By Karan on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    On Defense:
    Re-sign Pouha
    I like the hiring of Karl Dunbar, we need the D-line to play smashmouth football, pretty much the whole D like they used to
    Rex needs to call the shots on D again
    Need a pass rusher (this is an every year need now loll, i like mayhem but we need more)
    Need more depth on the secondary
    I would like it if Lowery is signed back and we get a decent 4th corner in place of Strickland
    Re-sign Pool and Leonhard
    Get a quality starting safety, pool and lowery should be really good depth
    I like E. Smith but…………no
    Also for Special Teams, please sign a new kicker and punter

  195. By DKM on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Thats interesting JFS64, with all you knocking of Spicer and that includes others as well on this Site, your Elite QB Brady stats since winning his first 10 PO games including winning 3 SB are just “average” 6-6 with 26 TD’s and 17 INT’s, wich just shows you that even a ELITE QB cant always be perfect or win a SB, and it supports Waynes Theory of him and his beloved Coach might have lost there touch since Spygate.
    Guess who pointed this whole thing out your often cited R. Cimini. I wonder why you never mentioned that ? Just asking.

  196. By DKM on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett right on with the Parcells Storys pretty funny, and i have to agree on Ryan to stand up for himself, i still wish he would tone it down once in a while.
    As a coach you cant be put down in front of your own players by other players from a another team.
    Hey Schwartz didnt take any nonsense from Harbaugh doing the Season for the stunt he pulled on him.

  197. By DKM on Feb 14, 2012 | Reply

    I think there is valid point to the notion the Jets trying to deal Keller, to my dislike, cause he was Shottys and Sanchez’s security Blanket. But because the one guy is gone and the other on the Bubble and the FO trying to make something happen (whatever that is), i can see that, especially with Cumberland being the cheaper Option.
    I do prefer Orton, Campbell or Henne over Manning or Flynn anytime as Backup or pushing Sanchez for the good or even over the Cliff, given the fact the last 2 mentioned are either 1 hit away from retireing or the lack of experience.

  198. By DKM on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne not having an viable Backup QB gets anybody fired even the Best (see Bill Polian this year).

  199. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Well, I know one guy who’s happy with your last post, scjoe — uncle joe, who’s had it in for Keller for ages. I don’t know about trading DK because we have so many other, bigger needs that I don’t think it’s smart to ask for trouble, and yet I can see your pt and to some extent uncle joe’s. The TE position is getting so physical these days, often with 2 guys in that mold like in the NE style, and yet for a big guy DK doesn’t seem to throw his weight around that much. I’m less with you on RB because it would be SO typical Jets to draft McKnight, Powell, and Conner and never give ‘em a chance to show what they can do carrying the ball. And it sure doesn’t speak well of the FO if the coaches have already decided those 3 guys ain’t got it.

  200. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, I don’t think DEN woulda won that many more or less games with Orton in there, they pulled him early more because of pressure to get people in seats who wanted to see Tebow than because Orton’s so terrible. Not that Orton’s so great, of course, but he throws a lot more accurately than Tebow does now and than Sanchez does sometimes. Which is why I agree with you that Rex won’t get away with another yr of just saying “Mark’s our QB and we believe in him” if nobody else on the Jets does. I mean, c’mon, scjoe, do you really think that’s gonna be tolerated 2 yrs in a row? When even Spicer is saying if MS doesn’t step up in Year 4 he’s ready to punt him? Not to mention the trouble that’ll start if McElroy looks really good in pre-season…

  201. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Hey GaryC, dig this from Cimini’s rundown of our FA’s (He puts Plax in the “Low Priority” category, with Pouha in High Priority — but says we shouldn’t over-commit to him at 33 — and puts nobody in Medium Priority): “WR Plaxico Burress — He told friends he’s done with the Jets and that he’s not a believer in Mark Sanchez. The Jets are done with him. For $3 million, they got eight touchdowns and a couple of acrobatic catches.” Ya think that’s a fair assessment? Ya think Plax is right about MS? Actually, I’m just throwing this red meat out into your hungry path because I’m already laughing over how savagely you’re likely to tear into Plax, the move to get him in the first place, and everything else related to it, so let it rip…

  202. By IRA on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe,
    Never say never but to trading Keller and taking away Mark’s go to guy and player he has the most chemistry would make no sense unless they feel they won’t be able to sign him after the 2012 season. And please don’t tell me about him not fitting Sparano’s system. If you are a good coach and have a top level player find a way to use him. We all saw how that worked out when we traded Vilma because Mangini couldn’t find a way to fit him into his system. PLEASE!

  203. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks, joe in FL, sorry re Riggins but that’s Rex’s bread and butter, too bad one guy like that don’t win SBs anymore. Spice, I’m not positive on Greene, 2012′s a big yr for him too but I don’t have time here to explain to you the difference between a QB and anyone else on the team, so I’ll refer you to Steve Young’s quote on that. Similarly, DKM, I don’t say Brady is infallible, I say you’re likely to win a couple SBs over 10 yrs with a guy like that. And one thing about Brady, Ben R., Brees, Peyton, Eli, Rivers and a few others you can’t say about MS: None of ‘em ever lost a game on 5 picks and then walked off the field WITH HIS HEAD ON A WR’s SHOULDER! (MS, on Braylon’s, 1st BUF game 2009). “Mark” may be too much of a kid for the NFL.

  204. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Good one on the awful Vilma trade re Mangini’s rigidity with his system, Ira, that has to be one of the Top 10 most telling mistakes in Jet history. When Rex got results out of a less-than-stellar D lineup in 2009, I thought we’d turned the corner on that kind of thinking. But a yr or 2 later it looks like he has a different, somewhat contrary problem: He can’t seem to give up on the dream in his head and adjust to reality. To him Sanchez is still an elite QB, Leonhard’s still a starting S, Holmes is still “the best player on the team.” Unless this is all smoke and he knows what the real problems are, this is a new kind of rigidity and potentially as bad as Mangini’s. He’s gotta start evaluating more honestly while he still has time.

  205. By Bennett on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fan 64 I like brawls whats not to like the bigger the better.any way Football brawls are all shoving and pushing and the never really get out of control . Now Hockey thats a whole differant story. For some one who wasn’t going to post alot you sure post alot… you evil Sanchez hater you

  206. By Tom Spicer on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    I dont like the Jacobs thing because he is the same type of back as Greene. We a guy where if the open a big hole he can take it the distance.

  207. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Bad Idea on trading Keller guys..This year you are going to see more and more 2TE sets. Keller is more like Hernandez and Cumberland is like a Gates-type player. We can produce our own match up nightmares. And Cumberland can block too. I said it before to fix the O-line we don’t need to go crazy. Turner is going back to his natural spot at RT and Slauson will be at RG. Hunter/Vlad will battle for back-up. Vlad is very raw and may take 2 more years to develop. Hunter was not a bad back-up , he’s just not a starter. S.Greene..Not the starting RB I hoped he would be, he’s more of late game wear you down type of back. We do need more of a complete back hopefully late second round draft pick.

  208. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    We need the draft to fix the D. Now if Richardson from Bama is still there at #16 we have to take him. If not, Jets will draft either Upshaw/Barron/Vontaze B. Those guys will start from day 1. We all agree that we need a QB. I see Flynn going to Miami (It just makes sense) Campbell and Orton are not bad either to push GQ or take the starting Job. Peyton (We can only wish). Pass rush: the players are out there to fix that right away..can we afford them? well that remains to be seen. So guys..if the Jets use common sense and Draft and Trade players that NEED we should be ok. Now I scjoe..I have always liked your insight on the Jets and the players. But Jacobs with his type of attitude is not what this team needs right now. He has a big mouth

  209. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Just don’t see him fitting in as a Jet. This team needs Balance on the offense to take it to the next Level. No more ground and pound, defense will just play eight men the box and shut it down. We need to keep the defenses honest. Have a passing game and running game. The Giants have the right formula on offense and they show you what a good front seven looks like. Ii look at teams with this type of balance and they are always on top Greenbay,Saints,Bengals and the Panthers (And yes I know all those teams have Great QB’s). But you get what I am trying to say..

  210. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    And yes I know we need a WR..But i really hope we don’t get players with character issues. Maybe we can get Jeremy Lin!?…not even joking… Just trying to make a point with that statement..we could have our own Lin or Tebow like player sitting on bench right now….His name is McElory…

  211. By Frank on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    64 you hit the nail on the head with the Head Bloviator of the NYJ. He just like TanWoody are more enamored with pedigree than they are with results. They like to impress themselves with how many high draft pick guys they can rummage out of FA rather than developing their own talent. Since Rex got here there has been a steady decline in the talent level (draft is awful) on this team and that is directly attributable to his input. Belichick on the other hand will play the best guy available regardless of his pedigree as long as the guy plays within his system and is a hard worker. Rex wants guys he can be buddies with and that formula does not work we once had a guy like that and his name was P. Carroll. Rex’s Mangini-Vilma moment was Rhodes

  212. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Just read on espn..Sanchez sends Holmes a Tweet with a picture of a box of cookies and asking holmes to be his valentine?…You see..How am I supposed to take this kid seriously????? You are the QB of the NEW YORK JETS! your team is in turmoil players don’t trust you people think that you are not mature enough and you go out and prove everyone right…I tried to give this kid a little leeway..and he goes out and tweets this crap!…he’s like the lazy teenage son who just doesn’t get it!…I’m through..done…SMH

  213. By GaryC on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    yes,jet fan tom, Plastico has run his course just like the flu,but I did tell you so.He was not going to catch a touchdown in the Super Bowl for us.Maleeva, the Gypsy Women told me she saw ominous signs for the jets this year,the jets would bring in a 6’5 pass catcher who couldn’t run and put him in Braylon Edwards jersey and think by osmosis he could do the same as edwards,then she said to compound the situation the jets will reach out and grab a Stone Mason to hinder the developement of this rookie,Kerley.Well looking back on it I guess she was right.even a fan who says his prayers at night will see his team lose if they reach for over the hill players.

  214. By GaryC on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, cimini’s article as Burress being a very low priority,couldn’t agree more,like I stated in a previous post he should invite coughlin and tomlin for thanksgiving dinner every year for them falsifying their interest in him so the jets thought they had challengers for Burresses services.they took the bait better than any fish in the pond.

  215. By scjoe on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Alan O’ I couldn’t agree more that Jacobs has a big mouth and that he may even be a malcontent, BUT, you know what cures all of that? Winning! That’s what. He is a definite upgrade to what we have now and I think if used right in tandem with a speedster our running game will take off and thereby take the pressure off a certain QB who needs desperately for the pressure to be taken off. I didn’t hear a word out of Holmes mouth last year when we went to the conference championship, why? Because the team was successful, that’s all it takes.

  216. By scjoe on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, and those of you who don’t think a Keller trade can happen or will happen. You talk about two TE sets, well, NE is using the two TE sets pretty well with two “prototypical” TEs where you can run off the formation as well, where is it written you need an undersized TE for that purpose. And Pleeease, don’t give me “Keller is Sanchez security blanket” that is the most ridicules thing I have heard, he is a professional QB in the NFL, today’s NFL, where the only thing that is consistent is CHANGE! So, like every other QB today, he has to find a new “security blanket” c’mon man!

  217. By scjoe on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    cgb, I am like any other Jet fan on this site or in general for that matter. I have been following them from day #1 and with the exception of a couple of flirts here and there they have not given me much to smile about in the past 43 years. That said, all I want is for this team to get to the big show one more time. To watch NE get there every year or two just sickens me. Now, I know the team has a lot of holes which I know can be fixed with just a little insight and maybe a change of philosophy by the front office. But the QB position has to be treated just the same as any other position, the QB position on the NY Jets has to have competition, just like any other. That is basically what I am saying. I am not anti MS. I am anti losing!

  218. By scjoe on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, it would be difficult for me to insult your football intelligence, because I don’t think you have much. A LB being to “strong” to play the MLB position in a 4-3 c’mon man! Where do you get something like that? Wikipedia? Maybe it is you that needs to do some homework on “modern day NF”. Listen, you stick to your sources and I will stick to mine. Oh yea, one of “your sources” even though you misspelled it (Gil Brandt) now there is a guy who is really “modern day NFL” Bye bye!

  219. By GaryC on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    why is it when I think of Trent Richardson, the name Blair Thomas comes to mind, really how many great backs have come out of alabama, bobby humprey, shaun alexander, tony nathan,marc ingram,none hall of fame material.

  220. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I believe Blair Thomas came out of Penn State..If I am not mistaken. Scjoe, Amen to that brother I am anti-losing also.

  221. By Tom Spicer on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Gary C, Shaun Alexander was a stud I would cut my pinky toe off for the Jets to have a back like that. He carried the Seahawks to a Super Bowl on his back. That year he had 28 TDS to put that in perspective Greene had 6 this year his career year.

  222. By Doug aka BIGD on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    WOULD ALL YOU PEOPLE WANT MANGINI BACK? then stop worrying about REXS BRAVADO!!! i mean you guys sound like a bunch of girls,REX must take back the D get mario an upshaw and make oppenents fear walking onto the field with us!

  223. By Doug aka BIGD on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    open the wallet woody! this was SO bad this year,how much more do we have to endure,stack the D i mean stack it! not fill ins create a monster and make teams quit by the 3rd qr

  224. By scjoe on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, you put to much emphasis on comparing “old time” players with those of today, and the schools they attended as well. If Trent Richardson is on the board at 16 and the Jets passed on him I would be shocked, and rightfully so. The FO can’t possibly be that inept.

  225. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    Work’s been slow this week, Bennett, so I’m back to posting too much. I like brawls as much as the next guy but not when they have the potential to set off a DAY OF THE LOCUST-style meltdown and after we’ve lost the game to boot. Never thought I’d see the day when this would sound unintentionally hilarious, Allan: “He has a big mouth. Just don’t see him fitting in on the Jets.” And yeah, I cringed at the Sanchez Valentine’s Day gesture. It has nothing to do with what happens on the field, of course, but how did he not know how wimpy this would look?

  226. By GaryC on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    allan o dane, yes I know thomas went to penn state, I was just referencing thomas and maybe richardson as a potential bust running back, that’s all.If I see Richardson going in the top 10 I will consider that a reach.

  227. By GaryC on Feb 16, 2012 | Reply

    so scjoe, concerning richardson, we are going to use another high pick on a running back seeing that that position gets beaten up more physically than any other,sorry, I will look for defensive line or wide receiver before running back,considering what you will pay in salary for a number one pick.

  228. By IndianaJet on Feb 19, 2012 | Reply

    Been a Jets fan since mid-60′s. Seen a couple of QBs ….from that kid named Namath…to Todd, O’brien, Nagle, Essiason, Testaverde, Pennington, Favre, to Sanchez. Been hoping Sanchez would be the one to take us to the promised land again. But during both the best of times (2 AFC Championship games) and the worst of times this past year…I have not seen him as being that QB. Cut bait. Choices: (1) Peyton …healthy or 80% healthy arm strength (even for 1 year shot at Super Bowl and ignore Favre gunslinger comparison) (2) Kyle Orton type gamemanager (vs mistake making Sanchez) (3) McElroy (future Pennington)

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