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Green Team Descends on Indy for Combine

Posted by Randy Lange on February 22, 2012 – 3:32 pm

All offseasons are important, so it would be hyperbole to say that this offseason, which really gets off and flying today through Sunday at the NFL Combine in and around Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, is the most crucial for the Jets in a long time.

Yet the combine workouts help each team identify players it will be most interested in selecting in the draft two months down the road, and it’s not exaggerating to say that the Green & White have just a little more at stake at this combine simply because they have more draft picks than they’ve had in a while.

The Jets at the moment have one selection in each of the draft’s seven rounds. In the first three rounds they are slotted to select 16th overall, then 47th, then 78th, based on their rotation among the seven teams that finished 8-8 this past season.

From there the overall positions are not set because the NFL has yet to allot this year’s compensatory draft picks. But the Jets do have their own picks in Rounds 4-6, and a pair of trades have enabled them to retain a Round 7 pick (Jacksonville’s in the Dwight Lowery trade) as well.

If the Jets use all seven picks to select players in the draft, it will be their most selections since they spent 10 picks in the 2006 draft.

They could also get one or more compensatory selections this year, but that won’t be revealed for another month. The league traditionally has announced its distribution of compensatories in the last week of March. Last year it awarded 32 compensatory picks to 23 teams, with those picks falling at the end of each round from Rounds 3 to 7.

Compensatories aside, the Jets’ personnel team, headed by general manager Mike Tannenbaum, and head coach Rex Ryan’s coaching staff have all left North Jersey on Tuesday and today for Indy, where they will observe the more than 300 top prospects who’ve been invited to get poked and prodded, measured, tested and interviewed at this year’s combine.

Tannenbaum and Ryan are scheduled to speak with the assembled reporters from the NFL’s media workroom podiums around 3 p.m. ET on Thursday.

The information gleaned this week will be folded in with the college scouts’ game reports and all the other data on hand to formulate the team’s big board, which will inform the selection of those seven, maybe more, maybe fewer, players who will become the Jets’ 2012 draft class.

My partner, Eric Allen, and cameraman Chris Ubbens will also be on hand for the combine festivities, interviewing all the Jets staffers in Lucas Oil, plus a healthy number of those top prospects and more than a few of the reporters who have also made their annual pilgrimage to Indianapolis.

EA’s and Ubbs’ work will be processed by Rich Gentile’s broadcasting & multimedia staff here at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center to provide you with great video content this week and then in the weeks from the end of the combine through the draft, set this year for April 26-28.

You can also follow the combine proceedings on NFL Network, Sirius XM NFL Radio and NFL.com. To help you keep tabs on the players who might be featured on those platforms, here is the schedule for the different position groups that will be available for interviews each day:

Thursday — Offensive linemen, kickers, punters, long-snappers, tight ends

Friday — Quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers

Saturday — Defensive linemen, linebackers

Sunday — Defensive backs

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125 Responses to “Green Team Descends on Indy for Combine”

  1. By Jimmer on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    I can’t believe we gave up Lowery for a 7th rd pick. I thought he was worth at least a 5th at minimum. We’ve played into the combine in the past and lost. Let’s ignore this combine and go solely on what guys did on the field for a change. Blair Thomas, Johnny Mitchell, Vernon Gholston??? These guys were invented at the combine.
    New rules for the combine,,,, RB’s have to run a 40 with a piano strapped to their back! The point is, it’s too much track, and a lack of football skills. We’ve made the 3 huge blunders listed above based on the combine, not what happened on the field.

  2. By GaryC on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    I said the jets would end up with a seventh rounder if jacksonville didnt retain lowery, and I said a sixth if they signed him,I guess I was right on that one jet fan tom.unbelievable we draft a guy in the fourth round and in return we get a seventh rounder.

  3. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    For all you dreamers who don’t think we need to look at WRs in this yr’s draft, who think a weak-armed game manager at QB is enough to get you to the Super Bowl, who think Rex’s ground and pound nonsense is a suitable approach on O in the 2012 NFL, I have just one thing to say to you: Mike Wallace just said he’d LOVE to play for the Patriots.

  4. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I was just thinking about how I’m really looking more toward 2013 than this yr because I think several aspects of this house of cards we’ve been living in are crumbling. And one big aspect I’m thinking of is the lionization of Mr T, who now has to figure out how to plug 6 or 7 major holes on this team while NE has 6 picks in the 1st 3 rounds. If Brady is throwing in 2012 to Wallace, Welker, Gronk, and Hernandez, forget about our D stopping them enough times to win the division. What you’ll see instead is the dawn of a 2nd golden era for the Pats with Brady as the elder statesman and many of their key players younger than him. All assessments of what the Jets need, at QB and elsewhere, need to be based on that, not on Rex’s fantasies.

  5. By robertpapalia on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    All I have to say on this matter is that Tanny and Rex better have a good draft coming up. By good I mean players that are going to help this team. Otherwise Tanny and Rex could be looking for work some where else.

  6. By GaryC on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    I told you that is why the jets did not want to divulge what they had received for lowery, they were to embarrassed,and what did we give up for schladeraff,was it based on playing time.

  7. By Jimmer on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64′, weren’t you the same guy that said said Brady stands tall in the pocket, and is so great the pass rush does not effect him like it does Sanchez?
    Amazing, once Your favorite guy gets hit like Sanchez did, he played just like Sanchez.
    Here’s another example folks,,,, exactly why protecting the QB is more important than the QB himself.

  8. By scjoe on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I sure hope the FO don’t have the same mindset that you have. Not looking for a new starter? Just looking for Sanchez to succeed? That is ludicrous!!! If a QB, ANY QB legitimately beats him out this camp and this preseason, that QB should be the starter PERIOD Competition Ira! Just like any other position. Now, if Sanchez “legitimately” and I mean LEGITIMATELY, beats out all others then, and only then will he have my support.

  9. By scjoe on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, two points. First on the Lowery compensation. If you think getting a 6th or 7th round pick for a guy we picked in the 4th round is bad, what do you think of what we got for Vilma from NO when Vilma was a high #1? Zilch, zero, nothing!! They just sat back and watched N.O. manipulate the rules.Secondly re: protecting the top 20 on your roster from free agency. Well, once upon a time when sports were a sport that was not a worry. But that wasn’t good enough for the greedy owners and the even more greedy players. They wanted more, and more, and more. How do you like the final result?

  10. By scjoe on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    One more point on that last post GaryC. Now that Jax released Lowery they can go back and resign him (just like N.O. did) and still would only have to give up a 7, not a 6. And if they have not officially released him yet, the same would hold true once the FA period begins.

  11. By derrick on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    I just want to how many picks we have in this draft class 0f 2012.WE NEED A OFFENSE LINE MEN,TWO ILB,TWO DE,WR, RB,AND A SAFETY,GO JETS……………

  12. By DKM on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    So would Brandon Lloyd …… JFS64 stop pushing the panik button just yet, have some faith that the FO does his homework and than we go from there.
    Just wanting to play for BB is one thing but doing it is a whole other animal (see Ochostinko).

  13. By Karan on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    That would be a nightmare if Mike Wallace went to the Patriots. I’d rather him stay with Pittsburgh. I actually respect the Steelers organization unlike those phonies from Boston. However, it would be great if next Jets jersey #17 would be coveted by Wallace. I do think he’d be expensive as heck and the Jets have too many needs to just go after one player. That was one of the big mistakes they made last season with Asomugha.

  14. By Karan on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    I just want Braylon Edwards back, more protection for Mark Sanchez and a better hard-hitting defense, and of course, better offensive-play calling.

  15. By Karan on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    It’s crazy some Jets fans still bash Mark Sanchez. The whole TEAM has a bad season and of course, the QB gets majority of the blame. Have some of you guys forgotten that the kid took the Jets to the Championship game TWICE? And I know I keep repeating this, but it’s true and it doesn’t get to some thick-headed people who think we need a new QB.

  16. By DKM on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    Randy and Crew good luck out there in Indy.

  17. By Karan on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    As great as Peyton Manning is, and I respect the living heck outta the guy, I think it would be a bad decision if the Jets sign him. I hear rumors that they in negotiations with Manning, I really hope those are false rumors.

  18. By Karan on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    By the way, is Tony Sparano a guy who uses the Tight Ends? I mean as Schottenheimer never used Keller properly, and Keller is one heck of a tight end, we have not seen his full potential because that horrible OC was holding him back. Keller has real potential to be a pro bowl caliber tight end, i just hope Sparano is one of those coaches that implements the tight end position heavily.

  19. By Kevin65Fan on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    Who cares Tom…Revis will shut him down…but we will still get burnt by Gronk and hernandez if we don’t take care of our safety positions. Pass rusher and safety…thats all they (Management) better look at for first couple of rounds. Gary…he is also now a free agent. Sign him back and get that free 7th rounder. Best case senario. Plus he improved at the safety position and was a ball hawk.

  20. By cgb on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    why is tanny still leading the personnel dept. for this jets team. All the good scouts this team employs,and were left with tanny muddying up the water.really! Please woody J. Let rex and the scout team and some other personnel people in the organization make the call on FA’s and draft selections. Look at the long list of players we let walk or gave for little or nothing, by not re-signing them.Tanny has made more blunders then wonders in his time as GM.If he reaches and signs a FA for mega bucks and then trades late picks to move up just to pick a bust in the early round,I will be calling for his head. We need to many players to messing up this off season.

  21. By cgb on Feb 22, 2012 | Reply

    TOM 64, It would be nice to have MIKE WALLACE play for us. But he most likely won’t. So I do not care what team signs him, As long as we get a big safety that can hit and run with anyone In the league. then a versatile linebacker who can set the edge and rush the QB, Add a d-lineman who consistantly can get to the QB.Let the pats sign him!!!Hey if we can get our running game back, Then maybe even our weak- armed QB can become enough of a game manager to win some games.

  22. By Matt on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    that wasn’t Mike Wallace 64 Tom that was Brandon Lloyd stop with the non sense and bad energy typical NY Fan..

  23. By Matt on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Everybody complains about REX Sanchez and who are we going to replace them with Cowher he won one SB in a 12yrs or so span..Rex has done a pretty good job can he get better yes he can let also remember Belichik didn’t win in Cleveland and hasn’t won since spygate..as far as Sanchez give the kid a chance Plax wasn’t a good fit and infighting with your #1 isn’t going to win games let me guess Manning is the answer one hard hit and his head might fall off. They pulled out eight wins with lack of depth and everything else if anyone is to blame it’s Mr.T he’s always shooting for the backpage with big signings instead of building a coach able team. In my opinion everybody is a work in progress if you want perfection close your eyes and dream.

  24. By IRA on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Never been a big combine believer but at least its some football to talk about. Its all about the deals the GM’s will line up.
    According to reports the Jets have restuctured Brick’s deal and p/u 7.5 mill in cap space. Add that to the 8 or so from on used money from last year and now they are 15 mill or so under the cap with more to come. So for all those who were worried about the cap please. A good pencil with an eraser changes a lot.
    GO JETS!!!!!

  25. By IRA on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    I know we have to get younger and still draft a pass rusher. But would anybody take a flyer on J. Abraham who will be a free agent? Why not they did it for Taylor 2 years ago and i think Abraham has more left in the tank than Taylor did.

  26. By GaryC on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    why is it that sports organizations don’t believe the fans know anything,yet we know,some of us,that the jets were going to get the short end of the lowery deal.Please,jet management,stay in football,I would not want you guys as my real estate agents if I was selling my home for top dollar.

  27. By GaryC on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, so trent richardson won’t be performing at the combine,already a knee problem,will he be ready for the season opener.jets have bigger problems then running back,If jets selected richardson,what do you do with greene,seeing that you moved up in draft to select him,or do the jets just let him walk when his contract is up and get nothing in return.

  28. By uncle joe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    And for the record, I think they should actually NOT trade Keller now. He is the only constant left for Sanchez and seems to be a GREAT teammate. You would get nothing for him now and Sanchez would have to get used to another new WR. Continuity is one of the most important ingredients to an Offense.

  29. By uncle joe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Jets cleared room on their cap. I hope we get no one from Free Agency except maybe some depth. Get me Lowery and Braylon back and build threw the draft. I hate winning with other team’s players.

  30. By Kevin65Fan on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Now thats what I call a “Team Player” Brick re-did his contract with Jets to free up 7.5 million in cap space. Okay Mark…now its your turn to give back from what you gave us last year…how about freeing up about 5 millin Mark…come on man…show your Leadership (Yea right)…show that you care the way you offered moldy looking shortbread cookies to SH for Valentines Day (Barf). And santonio…aww heck…just show up to play and keep your mouth shut.

  31. By uncle joe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Mohammed Sanu is the best WR in this draft. Curry is the best 3-4 LB and Derrick Wolfe is the best 3-4 End. My only wish is that Upshaw is off the board by the time we are drafting.

  32. By uncle joe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Doug Martin is the best RB in the draft. Richardson had knee surgery, I hope he don’t slip to us because he would be a MISTAKE.

  33. By SCfromNY on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Unless the Jets address their issues at QB and stop thinking that Sanchez is the answer there is no need for a top WR. Who will throw to them? Since Sanchez fixates on one receiver why worry about multiple receivers? I hope the Jets treat training camp like a business and let the best player play. Sanchez will make a fine but expensive backup.

  34. By Patty on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    If the Jest can get a feared pass rush, they will be fun to watch. On the other hand if they get Trent Richardson, they will be fun to watch. The Jets aren’t fun to watch. I’ve been watching them 30 years and they are irritating to watch. Its more fun watching the patriots play. At least they have two tall tight ends who keep moving the chains. If the Jets would just move the chains they would be more fun to watch. The Jets need play makers and game changers out of this draft, not works in progress. If they don’t get at least two GAME CHANGERS in the draft, I think I’ll stop watching them.

  35. By Randy Lange on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

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  36. By Patty on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    They need to send Mark Sanchez to Mike McCarthy’s quarterback school which is where all the great Quarterbacks went

  37. By Steven on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    When the Jets get Quinton Couples or Melvin Ingram to create a pass rush and a safety and a linebacker who can put fear into Tight Ends, the Defense will be feared and Tom Brady won’t have time to throw. Then if we get an offensive line that can open holes and a running back that can get 5 yards a carry, the Jets games will run out the clock, Tom Brady won’t be on the field long enough to score much points

  38. By uncle joe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah Matt, put that 64 in his place! Tom are you secretly a Patriots fan? Ira, if Abraham came at a reasonable price I would love the move.

  39. By uncle joe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    . Comp. Att. Pct. Yds. TD Int Sack Fum . Eli 301 522 57.7 3244 24 18 25 9 .Sanchez 308 543 56.7 3475 26 18 39 10 . Third Year comparisons of Sanchez to a Hall of fame QB’s third year! .

  40. By uncle joe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    My last post didn’t come out the way I originally typed it but You Sanchez haters should all look up all these walk into the Hall QB’s numbers in their 3rd seasons. My boy Sanchez stacks up pretty good with ALL of them. Big Ben TD to INT ratio was 18 to 23 in his 3rd season!

  41. By IRA on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, You know better than that bro. Succeed is to take them to a SB and win it. If they think he can’t then move on. This is a BIG year for Sanchez.

  42. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    64Tom, I heard what Wallace said on NFL Network..and that’s what I posted on the previous post. I posted that Tom Brady will DEMAND a #1WR and he will get one. So that just makes NE even more dangerous. Imagine if the Pats land wallace? I mean we’ll just throw revis on him, but..I don’t know if anyone has noticed revis is having a slight issue covering real fast WR’s. Karen no team can talk to Peyton right now that would be tampering. I believe teams can start talking to free agents after March 8th.

  43. By Matt on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Patty is right difference makers are needed asap.. Secondary is solid but no one like to throw at the Corners only the middle where it’s weak a Safety is def needed I like Aaron Henry projected 3-4 rounder he had 7 Ints last year and is 6’0 204 Lbs another guy is Rondell Lewis Hard Hitting OLB projected 2-3 rounder and Marvin Mcnutt WR 6’2 he had a good college career projected 2-3 rounder as far as first round I don’t really know I like Andre Branch he seems like a guy Rex would love great motor all the measurables and he someone the Jets could probably trade down a couple of spots and pick up more picks and still acquire him. Then after that the Jets could go out and get some O-line help and other depth.. I think I covered areas of need

  44. By THUNDER LIPS on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    more and more i think about this, the more i think that the order of priority is this:

    1. Oline and Pass Rusher … we need to protect the QB and get to the QB. we need to address this in Free Agency. need someone proven.

    2. safety

    3. LB

    4. wr/rb

  45. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Someone posted Turner was a backup. He WAS. Then he started at RT and Slauson was the RG. Hunter took over for Turner when he got injured. So If they lined up today If Turner & Slauson are both 100% it would be
    Turner/Slauson/Mangold/Moore/Brick = That’s not a bad lineup guys. I would like to see a backfield of Lynch/Greene/Mcknight (Arian F. & M.Forte) won’t be around..So Lynch makes the most sense..if we don’t draft a RB in the 1st RD. Edwards/Holmes/Kerley I could live with that. Keller/Cumberland let’s see what cumberland can do with a full healthy season under his belt. D-line: Wilkerson/Pouha/Abraham. Now the reason I like John A. is because just like IRA I believe he has 2 more years left in his tank. LB’S: Scott/Mauga/Harris/Maybin

  46. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    I think Scott is more of a threat as OLB like he was with the Ravens. Cro/Revis corners / Barron FS / Pool S. I’m not even touching the QB subject. I do want to see what the kid McElory has and a proven vet to come in. Haven’t heard any McNabb supporters here. So let’s hope the NYJ draft guys we NEED. RB,WR,OLB,S and RG.

  47. By Tom Spicer on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Brick restructured his contract the Jets have a ton of money to spend between this & the carry over money. MR.T needs to step up to the plate!

  48. By scjoe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I don’t think Trent Richardson was the first RB to have his knee scoped. He will be just fine for some team. I have said it before, it is probably a moot point talking about him anyway because he will be gone. But Miller on the other hand should be there, maybe even a trade down would work out great. As far as Greene? Like I have said all along, he would be a very serviceable #2 and McKnight a very serviceable #2A.

  49. By scjoe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    For all of you out there panicking over the Jets salary cap. Take a close look at what one single contract restructure (Brick) can do for your cap total. 7.5 mil saved with just one single restructure. C’mon, most of you have been around long enough to know what was coming. Next up???? One very controversial QB!

  50. By GaryC on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, that is why I say football today as opposed to yesteryear does not reward teams that do their due diligence,bad teams can just eat off a carcass like a vulture,you will never see great teams like the packers,steelers and 49ers again,a team like the giants who have as many holes as they had during the season wins the super bowl,no way does that happen in pre 1980’s football.The Nfl says they have balance,more like balanced mediocrity.

  51. By GaryC on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    one point about rex and his three four defense,when ravens won super bowl he was the linebackers coach,and they had a front four of Burnett,Siragusa,Adams and McCrary so to say he isn’t comfortable with that alignment would be foolish.The jets have proven that they don’t have the outside pass rushing linebackers to get it done so why not change it around and put together a strong front four.

  52. By scjoe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    SC from NY, Haven’t you heard? The NY Jets are going to bring in another QB along with McKelroy to “compete” with Mark Sanchez for the starting job. You can be sure it will be a true and fair competition even though Sanchez cost 50 million and a 2nd rd pick and McKelroy was a 6th rounder and the new guy, whoever that may be, will be just another recycled QB that some other team did not want. So, as you can see, the FO has it well in hand. Oh, excuse me, I just fell off my chair because I was laughing so hard.

  53. By scjoe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Uncle Joe, Doug Martin, all 5’9 of him is the best RB in the draft? Have you ever seen Lamar Miller (UM) play? He along with Richardson will become the best RBs of this draft class.

  54. By robertpapalia on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets just freed up some cap space by restructing D`Brickashaw Ferguson`s contract. A step in the right direction. Now they need to rework Mark Sanchez`s contract as well.

  55. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Matt, you missed the story, Lloyd was Tuesday, Wednesday Wallace was asked if he’d like to play for either SF or NE and he gushed hell yeah. DKM, mentioning Ochocinco in the same universe as Wallace is ludicrous, try watching the games and seeing who the top WRs are. Jimmer, Brady was hurt before the Ravens game, reinjured his shoulder at the end of the 1st half in the SB, and still looked nothing close to scared, he just didn’t throw as well as he usually does. If you’re trying to imply that our QB is somehow tougher, more accurate, or more clutch than Brady, talk to me when we’ve made it to the SB with ANY QB other than Joe. Ira, I’m with scjoe, your complacency about MS is the kind of thinking that has made us the joke of the NFL.

  56. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Matt, bad energy is accepting mediocrity, Lombardi — if you know who he was — would tell you that. I played this game almost before Rex was born and I’m not impressed with his constant hype, playing of favorites, lousy evaluation of players, insincerity in talking to the press and fans, and of course his boorish behavior toward fans. Only a loser would be thrilled with all of that. As for QBs, contrary to Rex no one waits 6 or 7 yrs for them to start taking control anymore. There’s a story today about CIN getting on Dalton to improve in 2012, which is the kind of approach we need to Sanchez, who as many have noted has had the same mediocre yr 3 times. This team has problems from the FO down to the cheerleaders, sorry you can’t face that.

  57. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    SCfromNY, you hint at another problem with Sanchez that few on this site are ready to face: WHAT GOOD WR IN THE LEAGUE WANTS TO PLAY WITH HIM?! They’ve all seen how he and our team reduced Holmes to a less-than-average player in his 2nd yr, why in the world would anyone like Wallace, Lloyd, Jackson, Finley, etc. wanna be a Jet? Like Holmes and Plax, the first thing they’re gonna say is, “When are you guys gonna get serious at QB?” Steven, Matt, and cgb, I love these Jet fans who keep ridiculing NE while they keep beating us and building a better team while we deteriorate. Arte, for instance, is still ecstatic that we beat them in the playoffs in 2010-11. As for you, uncle joe, you lost your mojo when you stopped posting the game day menus.

  58. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    uncle joe, you need to go to CVS and get that free shot they offer to immunize you against Spicer Statistical Sanchez Disease. MS’s flaws go so much deeper than his stats, some of which have come in big-time garbage time as Bennett pts out, that it’s absurd. His arm is average for strength and below average for accuracy. His pocket presence is a mess unless protection is perfect. 3 yrs in he can’t see guys cutting over the middle to pick him off on crossing patterns, he’s killed us in any number of games with that mistake including last yr vs. OAK, DEN, and MIA. I don’t say it’s impossible for him to become a great QB, just that his limitations are obvious and he needs to step it up ASAP. In the Era of the Elite QB, the Jets are grounded.

  59. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    What happened last night, scjoe, did Henne come over and throw the ball to your kids and grade out badly? You bet he’s not enough competition for Sanchez or anyone else! Reworking MS’s contract would be better than bringing in the wrong QB at any real cost because the less we owe MS, the more likely we unload him after this yr. I’m not a betting man but I’ve seen enough of MS to know the odds are against him ever being that great. I can see that headline, sometime around early February of 2013: “Jets Trade Sanchez to SEA for #3 Pick: USC Golden Boy Never Quite Measured Up.” The article will be filled with Rex’s continued gushing over him, of course, which will mean nothing when Rex is fired a few days later. Don’t say I didn’t warn y’all…

  60. By Chicago Bob on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    First things first, Pittsburgh is going to do everything humanly possible to retain Wallace especially since their new O.C. is more pass-orientated than the old one. Second, if you want to address WR fine, however do it in free agency. Jets will never beat New England with the defense we have – too slow, no pass rush. If you think bringing in Wallace is the key to beat N.E., you are dreaming – just ask Peyton Manning what his record is when his high powered offense played New England. The Giants have proven it twice, you beat New England by getting to Brady. Both times they beat New England, they did not light up the scoreboard but did it mainly with ball control and a defense that kept him out of rhythm – use your early picks on defense.

  61. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    We don’t need to get a #1 WR we have one already. We need a reliable #2 to go along with #2 money. But we do need a RB. Let the debate begin on Marshawn Lynch and Michael Bush…..I think Mike T. is going to go defense.. either Upshaw/Ingram/Luke K./Barron/Vontaze B. Rumor has it Vontaze may fall to 2nd rd. Do we have a 2nd rd. pick this year?

  62. By scjoe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    First point. All the talk about Wallace is pointless! He is RFA! Do you really believe that Pitt would not offer the same package to him that any other team out there is willing to offer? He will be starting for the Pittsburgh Steelers next year, just as he has done this year and last. Move on.

  63. By Bennett on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    ScfromNY I hope Sanchez makes an expensive backup for another team. You Sanchez apologists out there… you can protect him all day long and he is still going to make boneheaded plays because he is… a… BONEHEAD

  64. By Allan O'Dane on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Chicago Bob, That’s what the NYJ need. A strong front seven one that can rush the QB cause pressure without having to leave the corners out to dry all the time by pulling the safeties up to the line. Maybin will be even better this year with knowledge of this defense..and if we can pick up let’s say Mario Williams (just wishful thinking here fellas) All we need is to shore-up the O-line and get a passrusher from the line or a OLB…

  65. By scjoe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    64, when I talk about other QBs in this league who are in a position to change teams and ultimately compete with Mark Sanchez for a starting job I know full and well who they are and what they have done and what they may be capable of going forward, and with the exception of Peyton Manning (once again I have to specify a “healthy” Peyton Manning) It is more of a reflection of what we already have and not so much who the others are and what they can bring to the table. Simply put, regardless of all those meaningless stats Sanchez supporters throw out there ANY of the others can come in and not be to much more detrimental to the team then he was/is.

  66. By scjoe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    64, you made a great point about FA WRs wanting to come to the NY Jets and Mark Sanchez when a team like the NE Patriots who have a QB named Tom Brady are in the same market for WRs as we are. Think people…if you were a pro WR and an UFA and the $ was relatively similar, where would you rather be? Now, that is not a knock on the NY Jets, the team I live and die for, just read between the lines.

  67. By oasus on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with 64Tom, Sanchez NEEDS to take a pay cut. He has clearly underperformed. And while not all of it is his fault, he does have some…personal deficiencies that he has had to address for a while now. His scaredness, his staring down of receivers, his butterfingers. This is his final shot with me. He has a lot to prove. If I were HC, I’d have GMac waiting just barely out of the wings. I just have a feeling that the kid is infinitely better, he has soft skills Sanchez doesn’t, just needs to work on that arm. But if anyone remembers, Brady didn’t exactly have a cannon starting out either.

  68. By Bennett on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Football was meant to be played outside on grass not in a dome on something you vacume. Wind, weather and mud were supposed to be a factor and influence which goal you took and the kicking game and stratagy. Quarterbacks were supposed to get hit just like any other player especially when the ran for yards.The running game was supposed to be an important part of the game….. Some day all stadiums will be doomed all fields astro turfed,you will not be allowed any contact with the QB or recievers and the running back mostly just another blocker.

  69. By Tom Spicer on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Uncle Joe, Dont waste your time I have already posted the 3rd year numbers for Brady, Cutler, Eli, Big Ben, Romo, Flacco, Vick & Ryan. Mark has either BETTER, the same or VERY slightly lower numbers than all of them. But they refuse to aknowledge that FACT.

  70. By scjoe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, you are right about the balanced mediocrity, we all have Curt Flood to thank for that. But the thing is, it is not only the bad teams that feed off of the players developed by the good teams, it is also the “good teams” feeding off of the other good teams and the mismanaged bad teams. I love pro football, but I loved it much more before it was transformed almost completely in to a big business.

  71. By Tom Spicer on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    TOM 64, STOP bringing up my name Uncle Joe is talking to you TALK TO HIM. iI read your bull about Mark everyday. Do you have to continue to bring my name up?

  72. By Tom Spicer on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, As usual you are WRONG Mark had 369 yards passing & 3 TDS vs Oakland. He got tackled on the goal line or he would have had a 4th TD & Cumberland broke his leg on a TD pass that hit him in the chest on 1 play which would have been a 5th TD. Maybe jjust MAYBE it was the 234 rushing yards McFadden ripped off vs us that caused the loss?

  73. By Tom Spicer on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Braylon Edwards wanted to play with Mark but the Jets were either to cheap or to dum to bring him back.

  74. By Tom Spicer on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, Now this is funny “Like Holmes and Plax, the first thing they’re gonna say is, “When are you guys gonna get serious at QB?” Plax the “turtle” PLEASE this guy AT BEST will be a #3 WR on a team next year.

  75. By scjoe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    People, PLEEEEEEZE stop with the stat comparisons of Mark Sanchez to all those other QBs in a different era, in a different system, on a different team, with different personnel, and different coaching staffs etc. etc.etc.. For just once look beyond the stats. Listen to how so many people in the know break down his game. Many things a QB can and can not do will not show up in stats alone.Remember, when a team is down by 30 points in the 4th quarter all those stats compiled by the “other team” on offense are totally meaningless.

  76. By Jimmer on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    You Sanchez haters need to take a chill pill. If the FO see’s him as just a holdover guy, they’re gonna keep the OL intact and make sure no other team will want him in a wheelchair. They’ll just concentrate on D. MS played good for a rookie behind a very good line, but, as he got better, his protection got worse, as did the running game.
    With a new OC who will change to maximize talent, as Rex does on D, things will improve. If MS does not improve this year, I’ll be the first guy that has a Jersey with a Gholston #6 jersey.

  77. By GaryC on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    yeah scjoe, things were better in the 60’s and 70’s when football players thought they were football players instead of ceo’s of a corperation.

  78. By GaryC on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    would not be to displeased with this front seven come opening day, Brockers, Red Bryant, Kenrick Ellis, Muhammad Wilkerson, Maybin, Harris, McClellin of Boise State,if the jets aren’t already tired of the three four.

  79. By GaryC on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, Plax is already getting fit for an ESPN suit,that is where all jet over the hill players end up, Jenkins,Woody, soon to be L.T. and Plastico.

  80. By Jimmer on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    SCJOE, going way back to an earlier post about Vilma. Yeah, “we wuz robbed!” We better never make a trade like that again, and we should never trade with NO or that GM, no matter where he goes. That was as close to the bottom as I’ve seen. But Tanny did it, and he should be held accountable for his trades as well as draft picks.
    But, honestly, GB should be mad at us for allowing Favre to end up in MIN. as well.. The deal was, he wouldn’t end up within their division. Flat out releasing him did that. Let’s stop the trades and simply draft guys that produce on the field, not what they can do at the combine.

  81. By Row on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Bring in Orton and no one will have to apologize for Sanchez. Ira I think Abraham would do great, but he would just be filling a gap for whoever his OLB is to get a sack. ‘Me’ players win games, and there’s no way Rex can find another DT out there to play some 4-3 when there are 3 greedy underachieving LB’s on the Jets. One thing you guys forget to mention about Harris, is he almost plays safety out there. His hustle allows him to make tackles after the other team passes the 1st down marker. I need to see more aggressiveness on D, empty sets, 4 down lineman, stunts and such. The Jet defense stopped confusing QB’s when it tried to have Pace and Thomas cover TE’s. If the QB is getting hit, I doubt we’ll have to worry about Welker or Hernandez

  82. By wayne on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    64, you root for the New York Football Jets. What else do you have if not a dream here or there…………You keep dreaming that #6 is gone, but then you wake up…………….No one said they shouldn’t pickup a couple a prospect. The position is not a top priority considering the position your team find themselves in.Besides WR rarely come in and have a big impact……………………………By the way Randy, it is by no means hyperbole to say that this is a big off season for the Jets, Mike Tannenbaum, Rex and GQ. It’s a fact.

  83. By SCfromNY on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    I thought i might as well get off Sanchez and talk RBs for a moment. For every Curtis Martin there is a Blair Thomas. Drafting a RB high is a crapshoot and they have the shortest shelf life in the NFL. Bring in a ton of undrafted RBs, work their butts off and i bet a winner will be there. We do still have Greene and McKight.

  84. By GaryC on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    now I hear where wide receivers don’t want to come here because of Sanchez, just a short time ago I use to hear players wanted to come here because of rex and the endorsements they would be getting by playing in New York,are you telling me that these egotisical receivers would not want to put more money in there pockets with all these endorsements because of the Evil Sanchez.

  85. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    I wrote this dialogue for Rex 2 months ago: “One thing Ryan could not promise, though, was whether the Jets will explore the Manning situation if there’s a divorce between the QB and the Colts or any other player that could improve the Jets. “I think Mark Sanchez is an outstanding QB and he is our QB and I think he has a great future,” Ryan said. “I am not coming off that. But will we look at every scenario? Of course. Will we look at every kicker out there as painful as that is? Absolutely.” Gabriel, while I don’t think MS has a great future, I don’t like people whose word isn’t worth a damn, does that answer your question? I also see Rex jokingly threw McElroy under the bus today for his remarks about the team. When will this man grow up?

  86. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    “When asked if the Jets are placing extra focus on acquiring a backup quarterback to push Sanchez, Ryan joked, “Well, with McElroy’s comments, absolutely.” Can someone tell me what this is supposed to mean? Is it supposed to be funny? Is it Rex’s honest if cavalier evaluation of a great college QB we drafted only a yr ago? And is this the behavior of a good HC? Here’s a more adult, and unusually honest, quote from Rex: “But with our organization, we will look at everyone. There is a list of 10 free-agent quarterbacks that I have looked at and the draft guys that I have looked at.” And to think some of you guys really thought Rex wouldn’t leave himself an out, like I told you he would. Mr T made a similar remark about keeping options open.

  87. By scjoe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    One last point for me on the MS comparisons to “select” QBs in their first 3 years. If you want to keep it fair and balanced try comparisons with Newton and Dalton in their first year. The latter with a rookie WR, a new OC and a new system. The prior with a completely new coaching staff.Compare him to Brady in his first three years as a starter. If you are not going to do that, don’t do anything.

  88. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Aww, the poor little Spice Girl! Can’t take it when his endless robotic vomiting of meaningless stats leads some folks on the site to tease him a little, even though he prefers merely insulting them in HIS posts. Randy, I think we need a new bullying rule for posts, don’t you? From now on, no one can make fun of Spicer lest his fragile ego suffer permanent damage. Sorry, Spice, this is football, this is the NFL. If you can’t joke and jive around on THIS site, I can’t imagine how you can actually sit through a real football game in which guys hit each other with the force generated by car accidents. Then again, maybe that’s why you’re so loyal to Sanchez, who looks as terrified on the field sometimes as some chicks I’ve taken to Jet games.

  89. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    And since I know you don’t actually watch the games, Spicer, I’ll direct you to the tape: The turning pt on O in the OAK game from which we never recovered was when Sanchez threw the goal-line INT on the very first play after Kerley’s great punt return. He did much the same thing the next wk vs BAL in an even more crucial situation, throwing that awful sideline pass intended for Holmes, right after Maybin’s strip sack, that was taken to the house by Webb. And all Rex had to say was some nonsense about how we like to go for the big play after a break, which MS hasn’t really proved he’s able to do. It’s this kind of QB/HC ineptitude that I’m sick of watching. This yr is it for both of those dudes, at least a lot of us finally agree on that.

  90. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    “Plax the Turtle” won a Super Bowl ring by making a huge play in the clutch, Spicer, as did Holmes. I’ll take what those guys have to say, and what probably most WRs in the league have to say, about Sanchez over what you and Rex say. I guess you’re forgetting that Sanchez consistently polls among players as one of the most overrated if not the most overrated player in the NFL. But I know, you’ll just show ‘em some garbage stats and they’ll quickly see the error of their ways. scjoe, I agree, no WR of any high quality is going to play for the Jets out of his faith in MS and unless we rework everyone’s contract, we don’t have enough $ to bribe people. All reasons I think Mr T has to earn his pay or take a hike as well.

  91. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    oasus, I’ll prove to you that I could work even with Sanchez, and prove that I deserve the job of Director of Player Personnel in, if I recall, GaryC’s revamped Jets org. If I ran into Sanchez in L.A. one night, I’d say, “What you should really do is get out ahead of the story and offer to take less money this season. Make THAT your statement of leadership, a selfless act that would resonate in the locker room, out on the field, and around the NFL. Say, “I want this team to win and money comes a distant second.” If you did that, your whole situation would be a lot easier and you’d feel great about yourself no matter how the chips fell.” Unfortunately, last time I ran into Mark, he was mulling over the shortbread options at Trader Joe’s…

  92. By scjoe on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    I still consider myself a Rex supporter, but after listening to his interview at the combine, It was embarrassing to me as a Jet fan. First off, he should have never admitted that it was a “giant mistake” to have made that SB guarantee at last years combine interview. What he should have said is that ALL teams, ALL HCs and ALL FO personnel go into EVERY season with the mindset that they are going to the SB. As for the praise he had for MS? Maybe he should have insisted that they didn’t show that full reel of MS lowlights.

  93. By Karan on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Way too many sanchez haters, jet fan 64 seems to be the biggest one, sanchez didnt reduce holmes to a mediocre wr, schottenheimer did

  94. By Tom Spicer on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    When guys will stop making up GARBAGE about Mark getting garbage time stats, refusing to acknowledge that the O line was REALLY bad (your career sack total does not go up 50% if your O line did not stink) & you replace 2 good WRS who were 28 & in there prime who were building chemistry with your QB for a 38 year old washed up scrub who you could only trade for a 7th round draft pick & was so good that the team you traded him to cut him & no other team picked him up (Mason) & 36 year old guy who had not played football since 2008 & you except your QB to do well? Can I sell you the Verazanno bridge?

  95. By MIKE on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Braylon Edwards wanted top end WR money and the Jets decided to pay SH instead. 1 year ago most people would of done the exact same thing. Holmes is the better pure receiver and brings the big play ability that BE does not. Jets could not afford both and more than likely offered him far less money than SH therefore BE assumed he would get better money somewhere else and never did. I still think talent wise SH is a top 5 WR, and if the run game gets going again his numbers will vastly improve.

  96. By Tom Spicer on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Eli 4th year in the NFL 3rd full year as a starter NOT in another era it was 2008 & they won the Super Bowl this year 73.9 rating, 56.1%, 3,336 yards, 23 passing TDS, 1 rushing TD for 24 total TDS, 20 picks & 7 fumbles lost for 27 total turnovers. NOT ELITE & WON THE BOWL ! ALSO WORSE THAN MARK IN EVERY STAT EVERY SIGNLE 1! Mark 78.2 rating, 56.7%, 3,474 yards, 26 passing TDS, 6 rushing TDS for 32 total TDS, 18 picks & 8 fumbles lost for 26 total turnovers.

  97. By MIKE on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Top 5 things I hope Jets do NOT do.

    Sign Peyton Manning
    Sign Reggie Wayne
    Sign anyone over 30 for that matter
    Have Wayne Hunter start at RT
    Let Pouha go.
    Have Pace as our best pass rusher
    Go into camp with Eric Smith as our top Safety
    Go into camp with Eric Smith as our 2nd best Safety
    Go into camp with Eric Smith as our 3rd best Safety

    Any of these things happen, its another year down the toilet.

  98. By Tom Spicer on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    Eli 2009 his 5th year in the NFL & 4th full year as a starter 86.4 rating, 60.3%, 3,238 yards, 21 passing TDS, 1 rushing TD for 22 total TDS, 10 pick & 2 fumbles lost for 12 total turnovers. This is 2009 still NOT ELITE 2 YEARS AGO! Mark 78.2 rating, 56.7%, 3,474 yards, 26 passing TDS, 6 rushing TDS for 32 total TDS, 18 picks & 8 fumbles lost for 26 total turnovers. So Eli in his 5th year in the NFL playing all of his eligibility in college is still worse than Mark after coming out of college early & comparing Marks 3rd year to Elis 5th year. I can also say Mark accomplished this with THE WORST STARTING RIGHT TACKLE IN THE NFL IN WAYNE HUNTER & a WASHED UP PLAX as his number 2 WR!

  99. By TONY GARCIA on Feb 23, 2012 | Reply

    get it done in the draft,no more bold predictions just play ball will be ok.go jets.

  100. By IRA on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Well after reading Rex’s comments about what McElroy had to say it doesn’t bode well for him to be back. That would be a real shame. He showed a lot of potential last summer and i think with time he can be a good QB in this league. They would be making a mistake if they let him go.

  101. By 9LTH2630 on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Courtney Upshaw first round. We need a good pass rusher and they put out an article about his work ethic, how he started training a week after the BCS championship. Thats the kind of player we need.

  102. By GaryC on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    already heard mike mayock talk about a guy I have been touting,trumaine johnson of montana,a guy who was a corner who can be moved to safety,6’3 200 pounds,maybe the jet safety of the future.

  103. By Tom Spicer on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Gary C, Yes now WR’S dont want to come play for the Jets because of Mark Sanchez LOL. No really thats just another CRAZY comment from Tom “I dont know what I am talking about” 64.

  104. By Tom Spicer on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, Yes that makes sense lets compare Mark to the greatest QB ever to play the game LOL. I will do it anyway to amuse you. Brady 4th year in the NFL & 3rd full year starting 85.9 rating, 60.2%, 3,620 yards, 23 passing TDS & 1 rushing TD for a total of 24 TDS, 12 picks & 5 fumbles for a total of 17 turnovers. Mark 78.2 rating, 56.7%, 3,474 yards, 26 passing TDS & 6 rushing TDS for a total of 32 TDS, 18 picks & 8 fumbles for a total of 26 turnovers. So Brady had 7% better rating, completed 3.5% more passes, had 146 more yards, had 3 LESS passing TDS, had 5 lLESS rushin TDS had 8 LESS total TDS & Mark had 9 more turnovers. By the way Brady won a Super Bowl this year. He was way better than Mark LOL

  105. By Tom Spicer on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, This ” The latter with a rookie WR, a new OC and a new system” makes no sense EVERY rookie QB will have a new OC & a new system. Also watching football as long as you have I would think that you would know that Newton & Dalton are the exception to the rule NOT THE NORM! If they were the norm EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL WOULD HAVE 1! Think about it if 2 great QBS

  106. By Tom Spicer on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    QBS came out every single year THE ENTIRE NFL WOULD HAVE A GREAT QB.

  107. By Tom Spicer on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, WRONG AGAIN! After Marks 1 pick we held the Raiders to a 3 & out. We were tied 7 to 7 at that point. Mark had another TD after that we were up 14 to 7. Again Mark had 369 yards & 3 TDS WITH 1 TURNOVER. McFadden rushed for 234 yards on us IF YOU CANT MAN UP & ADMIT THAT IS WHY WE LOST YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL!

  108. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, Ira, and they would be making that mistake on McElroy by way of the unthinking, overly emotional, overly impulsive instinct that led Rex to make fun of McKnight, demand that Kerley be pulled on punts, cut (or do nothing to prevent the cutting of) Cook, and more. No one can tell me that this overgrown child belongs anywhere near an NFL HC job. Nice, clear-eyed post on Holmes vs. Edwards, MIKE, I wish more fans could remember even 1 yr back. Karan, Arte and I have this argument all the time, how much of the problem was Schotty, how much is Sanchez, how much is Rex? Hard to tell from where we all sit but the clock is running out on them all, which is why I’m looking forward more to 2013 than 2012. By 2013 there will be NO excuses left!

  109. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    What you’re forgetting, GaryC, is that any top WR can get mere $ from any team, so why should he take it from the Jets? You think Wallace, Colston, Jackson, or Johnson will find any shortage of teams ready to offer them huge $? Sure, you might be able to get the Derrick Masons of the NFL to gush about how excited they are to play with Mark Sanchez, just like when out-of-a-job-anywhere-else-in-the-NFL Jason Taylor said last yr that Henne was better than Sanchez. One of Rex’s biggest problems is he doesn’t think things through. He expects we’ll be “aggressive in free agency” but as someone posted recently, how does we do that when his rap begins with, “Now as you know, we have this great QB”? All anyone has to do with MS is watch the tape.

  110. By GaryC on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    so mcelroy spoke up about disfunction in the jet locker room, big deal,holmes and sanchez proved it enough if mcelroy said nothing,it goes back to when jenkins and woody had that weight contest that rex joked about,he should have been more serious with both at the time and should HAVE DEMANDED,that they lose the extra poundage, their careers might have lasted a little longer.

  111. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    For example, GaryC: Word now is the Chiefs are interested in Manning, too. If they get him, think Bowe will want to stay there or come over here?

  112. By scjoe on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, sorry bud, but stats alone do not sum it up. If MS stats were twice what Eli’s are, and were, it still does not change the intangibles in Sanchez game that is the focus of what not only me, or 64, or Frank, or Bennett or many of the “experts” some of which I place no credence in and some in which I do, consistently talk about when talking about Sanchez. Yes there were issues on the O line, yes there were changes at the WR position. That is the NFL today. Every team has those same issues, they can be resolved, but I am not to sure about accuracy issues, decision making, situational awareness, reads, etc. Intangibles!!!

  113. By scjoe on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    One more Spicer, and this is totally out in left field but it is just to make a point. “What if” the NY Jets made a trade with the NE Patriots (again it is out there in left field and it would never happen, so just bear with me) they trade Kerley for Welker. Now we have two receivers playing basically the same position, both new to their new teams QB, both going to new systems, all things being equal, which of the two do you believe would put up the better numbers? Now, you would think that Welker, with his experience, and Kerely just being in his third year, it would be a no brainer. Right? What do you think?

  114. By GaryC on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, bowe wouldn’t play for either the jets or chiefs,he played at LSU so he would want to play for the saints,how about that one.

  115. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    Spice, it’s people who cling to stats and have no sense of the flow of the game who know nothing about it. Sanchez’s INT after Kerley’s return changed the whole momentum of the game, which looked like it was gonna be a laugher. And that game was a CLASSIC example of MS racking up some stats that were against a prevent D when we’d already blown it. I played QB, what did you play, glorified fan? QBs who can’t score TDs in the 1st qtr or 1st halves of games, and MS didn’t for the most part for about a yr and a half, are liabilities to their teams. McFadden having a great day didn’t help but nobody said we don’t have other problems. It’s just obvious to anyone who doesn’t have some kind of mancrush on the guy that MS is one of our biggest ones.

  116. By aaron llloyd on Feb 24, 2012 | Reply

    to the guy who said these guys were made at the combine and lets look past it here are some things to consider. Vernon Gholston was not made at the combine, he was highly touted for a very long time, and Johnny Mitchell was a bust but not because of his talent his talent level was out the park. He didn’t lack ability.

  117. By Tom Spicer on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, “Sanchez’s INT after Kerley’s return changed the whole momentum of the game” No it did not as I had said we held them to a three & out got the ball back went right down & scored to take a 14 to 7 lead. What changed the momentum of the game was McFadden ripping off 80 plus yard runs vs our so called great D.

  118. By Tom Spicer on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, Welker would still have better numbers than Kerley. I think Welker is one of the most underated players in the game. His great hands, perfect route running, short distance speed are 2nd to none in the entire NFL. Would Welkers numbers go down significanty YES. Would Kerleys numbers go up significantly YES but I still think in year 1 Welker would have better numbers. In year 2 maybe Kerley could catch up to him I dont know. It all depends on what Kerley becomes over the next 2 years & what Mark becomes over the next 2 years.

  119. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    You might be right about Bowe and LSU, GaryC, but it’s all beside the point now that Rex admitted we’re not going to be doing much in free agency. I don’t know why that should surprise anyone when we’ve spent too much money on the wrong players. More reasons why I’m looking forward to a possibly Rex and Sanchez-free year in 2013 than I am to 2012. ONE of these decades, we’ll have to start over and do it right, building almost entirely through the draft…and with a QB who’s big, tall, experienced, and has a rocket of an arm.

  120. By Chicago Bob on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    Can we just stop the MS bashing and give him the opportunity to work under a new OC? I am sure a lot of you know how opposing NFL coaches and personnel people feel about Schotty. Among the things said were “he is the worst at making game adjustments” and if “he didn’t always try and reinvent the wheel, the Jets offense would be better off”. MS is not going anywhere and Peyton isn’t coming (thank God) to the Jets. With two highly touted OL coaches on board, (hopefully) a new ORT and a new offensive strategy, we will have already upgraded the offense. Get some speed on defense – don’t reach for Barron at 16 – he is the best of a weak group – if you really want him, make every attempt to trade down otherwise get the best pass rushing OLB left.

  121. By SCfromNY on Feb 25, 2012 | Reply

    College stats made Brady a 6th round pick and Montana a 3rd round pick. Three QBs were taken higher than Marino. Kill all the stats, the only thing that counts is wins

  122. By scjoe on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Chicago Bob, none of us know for sure who the starting QB will be in 2012. I have a deep rooted feeling that neither Rex or Mr T believe that Sanchez is quite what they though he was or would become. Of course they are not making that public. So it is a wait and see situation. That said, if there is a true, fair and honest competition at the QB position and Sanchez wins it hands down, I, as one of his most visible critics would support him. But if he don’t win it hands down and good ol politics rears it’s ugly head and there is still no progress in his game I would hope some of those Sanchez die hards take a page from my book.

  123. By scjoe on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I respect your answer on the Welker/Kerley question. I don’t agree with it (lol) but I respect it. I say that because I honestly believe Kerley, with Brady throwing to him, would light it up from day #1 and in his second year in that system the people in Boston would be asking who is Welker. But the people in NY, and I know you are going to hate this, would be saying “gee, what happened to Wes Welker, is this the same guy that played up in NE? I still believe it is the QB who makes the WR.

  124. By fred on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    I have been a Jet fan since 65 & I have never looked forward to a season other than the current one no matter how bad the team was or looked. How you do this Jet Fan Tom in Feb no less is simply amazing ! Have a little bit of optimisim because in this league you never know. Ira i will pass on Abraham I like the idea of signing young players not oft injured ones plus i think Maybin takes his slot on the roster

  125. By Chicago Bob on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe – I agree with you – there were times last year when I found myself scream-ing at MS for attempting a pass that should never have been thrown. It is just that the MS bashing is getting tiresome so lets drop it and move onto other issues. Hopefully they can find a way to restructure more contracts and allow them to be more flexible in free agency – please focus on youth and don’t spend money just because it is available. I am tired of bringing in veterans that are on their last legs – this team needs an injection of youth and if they can take care of some of their issues via free agency, we can (hopefully) take care of the rest in the draft. Mike T needs to take a harder line on negotiating – he throws money around too freely.

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