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Saints, Cards (but not Jets) in Hall of Fame Game

Posted by Randy Lange on February 29, 2012 – 5:51 pm

There had been some sentiment for the New York Jets to play in this summer’s Pro Football Hall of Fame Game in Canton, Ohio. After all, running back Curtis Martin will be inducted into the Hall during enshrinement ceremonies the day before the game.

However, other teams have favorite sons being inducted as well, and the NFL saw a different matchup. The league announced today that this year’s game at Canton’s Fawcett Stadium will match the New Orleans Saints and the Arizona Cardinals. Longtime Saints tackle Willie Roaf will also be inducted, and the Saints appear to enjoy playing in the game. This will be their fifth HOF game and their first since last playing in the first preseason game of the new season in 2007.

There is no set interval between appearances for any given team. The NFL rotates its teams through the Hall of Fame Game schedule so that each of the 32 teams will participate in the game once every 16 years or so.

The Jets last appeared in the game in 1992, when they defeated the Eagles, 41-14. Their only other Hall of Fame Game appearance came in 1977, when they lost to the Bears, 20-6.

Even without the Jets making an appearance in Ohio this year, fans may be interested in attending the weekend to celebrate Martin’s induction. Tickets for the game on Sunday, Aug. 5, priced at $35, $45, $60 and $70, will go on sale March 13. And additional information on both the game and the enshrinement ceremony the day before the game, including Enshrinement Festival fan packages, can be found at profootballhof.com.


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154 Responses to “Saints, Cards (but not Jets) in Hall of Fame Game”

  1. By fred on Feb 29, 2012 | Reply

    We made reservations the day before Curtis was selected & have decided to go after the enshrinement weekend. The local hotels are all but sold out & if you are lucky enough to get a room its almost 3x more then normal. There are many hotels in the Cleveland area but I am pretty sure thats 30 mi away

  2. By Jack on Feb 29, 2012 | Reply

    Jets was Rob once again. The Saints been there 5 times already and the Jets only been to the HOF game twice they been in the NFL for 52 years and Saints been in the NFL like 32 years I believe.

  3. By Karan on Feb 29, 2012 | Reply

    Heard the Jets want Braylon back, nothing would make me happier. Lets do this!

  4. By MIKE on Feb 29, 2012 | Reply

    Nice to see Henne is in the mix to push MS this year. Henne has a cannon and plays with fire. Not saying he is the next Brady but I think it’s time the Jets get someone to push MS instead of tudor him.

  5. By scjoe on Feb 29, 2012 | Reply

    I have mixed emotions about the Jets playing in this game. Yes it would give them a head start on the rest of the field, but you also have one more game with injury concerns. I think you can get almost the same result at Florham Park. Randy, if the league rotates this game as you have stated, how is it that N.O. have appeared 5 times and the Jets (who have been in the league longer) only 2 times?

  6. By Randy Lange on Feb 29, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I don’t know the answer to that other than that teams let the NFL know if they want to play in the Hall of Fame Game or if they don’t want to play in the game, so some teams have played in it more than others. Since 1991 every team has played in the Hall of Fame Game at least once except for the Baltimore Ravens, who officially came into existence in 1996.

  7. By MIKE on Feb 29, 2012 | Reply

    No skill players allowed to be picked in 1st round. Should be a Jets draft rule. More often than not O line D-line players have a much higher chance of being staples on there team. Best first round choices.

    Decastro, Rieff, Martin, Poe, Glenn,

    Save the hybrid for the round 2.

  8. By scjoe on Feb 29, 2012 | Reply

    Well, NFL.com is reporting that the Jets will be in the Chad Henne mix. That in itself comes as absolutely no surprise to me. But the fact that they claim he will be seeking a contract around 5mil is. There is no way he could even be considered unless Sanchez contract is restructured, and thus far I have not heard anything remotely close to that being done. If you factor in what McKelroy will be paid we are talking about close to 20mil on QBs alone. That wont happen, that CAN’T happen.

  9. By punchie on Feb 29, 2012 | Reply

    good work marto. and on a different note gimmie some of that Vontaze Burfict in the draft that guy playes with the passion and aggression this team is missing

  10. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Cimini comments curiously on Mr T naming a 5-player “nucleus of our team” that doesn’t include Sanchez, and Walker writes that the Jets need to be “more forthright” in their talk about a QB, but I think I know what Mr T’s trying to do, and I think it’s a bit of an insult to us fans. He’s trying to leave the door open to getting Peyton but not run down Sanchez so much that if we don’t get the former, us fans aren’t disappointed that we’re stuck with the latter. This is of a piece with Rex’s virtual inability to ever say the truth about any personnel situation. It all adds up to an amateurish dog-and-pony show and makes me long for the day neither of these guys is around Florham Park — and a HC with some front-office clout and skills is.

  11. By DKM on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Now for everybody who is not very fond of Sanchez on this site, let me tell you something ” YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS”.
    Restructuring Sanchez doesnt come without consequenzes, make up your mind either you trade him in that case he will not renagotiate or you ask him to take a paycut in that case he will ask for more years and if not you convert Salary to signing bonus than you cut him and it counts against the Salarycap, other wise why would he even be interested in doing any of this his Money is guaranted under his current contract.
    That my friend goes for every player on you roster, keep on asking your Big Contract guys to renagotiate and you will eventually run out of Salarycap.

  12. By DKM on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe cudos for your post on how to fix some of our problems and i mean it is not that far fetched i like it lot.

    Now as for the 16th pick after the combine and what ive seen ill take Cordy Gleen, alltough i was for DeCastro but was a little disappointet in his showing in the combine.
    Gleen is going to be a need we can fill at OG and the most sure pick where in my opinion the FO cant screw up.
    IRA my friend i like the kid George Iloka a lot had a very good impression of him doing the combine and if we can get him in the later rounds that would be a good PU. Thanks

  13. By DKM on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer i will certainly introduce my self next season now since you mentioned where you are. Im in 202B seat 1,2.

    JFS64 still on sexy rexy good for you. By the way i wasnt comparing Ochostinko to M. Wallace or vice versa. I just was saying playing for BB is not easy not matter how good you are. You need the smarts to otherwise all the Talent want help you thats all.

  14. By DKM on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe it looks like that the Pouha thing is becomming a situation after all unless the FO went to the combine with the mindset taking a close hart look at Poe and that they fooling with the idea of selecting him with the 16th pick or right around there, cause i cant see them putting a FT on him that would be 6 Mill guarenteed. Thats a little steep for a guy 32 years old,with maybe 2 years left in the tank.
    Having Ellises courtday pushed back is not helping either.

  15. By uncle joe on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Well if the Saints’ Guard Carl Nicks hits the open market I think the Jets should restructure the whole team( Sanchez FIRST )’s contracts and get this guy. Forget the Manning Project, keep what we have and build on it. Hopefully we pass on Richardson in the first and go Defensive, which would probably cause one of the top 3 or 4 RBs to fall to us in the second round.

  16. By uncle joe on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    I want Safety Barron in the first but if Poe is there at 16 it might be a good idea. He takes plays off but if he is platooned with Ellis it might be something special. If we want to be a run first team then Getting Braylon back and landing Nicks at guard would make us unstopable.

  17. By uncle joe on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Nicks and Braylon in Free Agency and Poe,a running back,Derrick Wolfe and Bruce Irving in that order in the Draft.

  18. By uncle joe on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    If we get Braylon and he is healthy, he and Turner should start with Holmes in the slot where he belongs. If Holmes does’nt like that he can restructure and seek a trade.

  19. By Tom Spicer on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Jason La Canfora said “Peyton will not go to the Jets because the running game wasn’t there. … You don’t have a lot of playmakers on offense there right now. The defense slipped”

  20. By uncle joe on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Unless of course we can resign Pouha before the draft,which would be GREAT,and then it HAS TO BE Barron at 16.

  21. By Tom Spicer on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    The above is why I want the Jets to address the O first we need a RT, WR & A RB.

  22. By Tom Spicer on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Monday the 5th is the deadline for teams to franchise tag players it will really give us a better idea of what free agents are out there.

  23. By Tom Spicer on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Tuesday the 13th free agency starts its less then 2 weeks away!

  24. By a57se on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    The league figures Peyton Manning will be wearing a Cardinals uniform and is hoping he’ll be ready to go by the Hall of Fame game. How else can they get people to watch a meaningless preseason game…..

  25. By uncle joe on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t think anyone will blow us out of the water with signing Pouha and we NEED to get him signed. If this Saints Guard becomes a Free Agent, PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE Mr. T do whatever it is that you have to do to get him. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  26. By uncle joe on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    I’m feeling RB Doug Martin in the second round. If the 1st RB does’nt come off the board till Cincy at 17 then there is a really good chance we can get a good RB in the second round. Doug Martin looks like the best all around RB to me. He moves the chains,catches out of the backfield and from what I’m reading he pass blocks well.

  27. By wayne on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    64, this isn’t watergate man, what you expect them to do, come out and trash or demoralize the man they labelled “it”? How smart would that be if they don’t get you know who. Like last year with you know who…Think it’s always a smart plan to pick guys on either line…But you don’t have to pick them if you can sign them…FA…They’re not getting any top DL in FA so, draft will have to fill that. They don’t need all stars to fill opening on OL so….FA…Don’t sweat hall of fame game Jetaholics, that’s not the game they’re trying to reach….I think I read somewhere where an NFL guys says a coach’s job is to lie us. where does it say he’s gotta tell us everything? SHUDDUP. WIN GAMES.REX DOES THAT, I’M GOOD. GQ’s their man till he’s not.

  28. By scjoe on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, you are 100% right about the consequences should they restructure Sanchez, and I think Mr T is patiently waiting on sure fire proof that Peyton will be 100% and whether or not he is signable before he does anything with Sanchez.I think after that point Sanchez contract situation will be addressed.

  29. By Bennett on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    HEY T- Baum “what tangled webs we weave when we seek to decieve”. T-Baum is playing both ends against the middle again. Any one ever notice how you never, ever seem to get it straight from this guy Hey T-Baum I have a really old fashioned, novel idea why don’t you learn to tell the truth, once you start it becomes easier, plus if you tell the truth you don’t have to have a good memorary. Stop the games any one can see right through it , who do you think your kidding?

  30. By harry-o on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    this off season is like a 3-4 piece puzzle

    first piece- peyton manning finds his place

    second piece- free agency, who’s lost, who’s signed

    pieces 3-4 – one or two good picks, maybe make a move

    go to camp and make it work

  31. By scjoe on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, as for the Pouha situation? One month ago I though that if Pouha and Ellis were no longer Jets that Poe may be a good option for a trade down scenario and maybe select him around 20-23. But now, after the combine he is no longer flying under the radar and I just read today that he could go in the top ten. There is a plan B however, and his name is Alameda Ta’mau out of Washington he is 6’2 348lbs and ran a 5.2 40 with 35 reps, a NT supreme. Lets see where his stock goes after his pro day, maybe a Jet in rd #3?

  32. By scjoe on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, La Canfora don’t know any more about the Peyton situation then you or I. No one, and I mean no one is privy to what is going on there except Irsay, Peyton and the doctors. Anything else by La Confora, Lombardi, Sheffter or any of them is strictly speculation.

  33. By GaryC on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    with jet fans if sanchez was playing in the late 70’s people would love him for what he has accomplished, 2 afc championship games,but nowadays with free agency it is like the new flavor of the month,whenever a quarterback pops up or any other position fans say go for him,what would you do without free agency,not be a jet fan with sanchez as quarterback.

  34. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, honest talk inspires respect, gives people on all sides of the ball guidance, and helps you sleep at night. Playing all the angles and still coming up with a lousy roster that cost too much makes you an amateur, and that’s what I think Mr T is compared to the kind of football-savvy GM that we need. DKM, I’ll stay on Rex until the day he’s gone, he’s a disgrace and an even bigger amateur. I can’t see him coaching this team to the SB unless the roster is completely remade to the pt it’s a no-brainer, i.e. unless a healthy Manning and a bunch of other FA’s sign up. Unfortunately, that kind of approach doesn’t usually work.

  35. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, this quote from the Bloomberg story should calm your fears and tell you everything you need to know: “Henne has emerged as the top candidate for teams seeking a quarterback to compete and push their current starter without being paid like a first-stringer.” In other words, like I said, this yr is the small-money makeover, if Rex and Sanchez don’t miraculously emerge as better, more mature figures and get better results it’s 2013 for the big-money makeover. If you were in Woody’s shoes, would you do any different? The very idea that Sanchez stands to receive a bonus in a few weeks is preposterous enough.

  36. By DKM on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Randy i apolagize if used some not so nice words there my bat.

    Well the Payton situation is becoming more and more blatant, with the Jets not making any definit statements and neither does he, MS not talking, Mr. T & Rex being vague, thats all a little to quiet ….. with the intend of making the big splash. ………….. just saying ( dont care what LaCanfora says )
    Maybe they even went to the combine and the jets brass and Pete C. had a meeting to see what we can get.
    All signs pointing more and more to a 2008 debacle. Im telling you some of the comments and ineptniss of this FO starts slowly bugging me.

  37. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Carl Nicks would be a great addition to the O-line. If by somehow the NYJ can land him we could have 4 pro-bowl O-lineman. Hello running game!
    Now if they can sign Edwards at a low cost we set up our WR corp. The rest of the money should try to get
    S/Landry or S/Goldson. That will address the Safety issue. As far as the draft is concerned, if those spots are filled up via free agency we can focus on the LB or RB spots…I would rather draft a LB. Could pickup a RB in later rounds….But like I stated before…the best player available at #16 we have to take…

  38. By DKM on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    I start wondering if Rex might just be running the Company line here and it is not so much his doing anymore, being firsttime HC and all.
    Think about it at least a little, the Clique behind the scene pulling thr strings telling him listen we get you the player we think you need and you go out talk them up and than try to coach em up. Be loveable to the Media be yourself and let us handle the Football decisions.
    Cause let me tell you that FO hasnt had a good solid Draft in years cause the nucleus that Cimini is talking about the last time i checked was Manginis doing a guy who certainly wasnt interested in walking the Company line.

  39. By DKM on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Let me tell you something else the hiring of Sporano and i dont care how much Rex goes out there and says i was impressed every time we played the fins how good there where prepared ( what else he supposed to say ) is NOT one of his choices so are none of the other hireings on this Coaching stuff besides Pettins and the AHC is a guy who has been here for 13 years and was our DC wich every Jet Fan wanted to run out of town.
    Give me a break it just is all to to wishy washy for me and where is Woody standing up as Owner and tell the FO what you delivered last year is unexceptable. Where is the Mr. Jerry Jones in you Woody who tells people that being mediorce is not good enough for me or else.

  40. By DKM on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Is everybody in the Atlantic Health Center running around thinking they have a Job for live ……….?
    That mentality will get you nowhere.

  41. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Interesting take, DKM, on how Sanchez saying nothing, Mr T and Rex talking but saying nothing, and the day of decision on Peyton approaching adds up to some real intrigue. But it’s all good as far as I’m concerned with respect to Rex, who isn’t a professional HC and shouldn’t be treated like one. If 2012 is the yr that Mr T gets a chance to fix up the team on the cheap or with a Hail Mary pass like Peyton (Rex will certainly have no problem coaching Peyton for even 1 yr) while Rex just plays a slightly watered-down version of his “lovable” self, that’s fine with me. Makes it all that much easier to make the really big changes, including Woody selling the team to a Curtis Martin-led investor group, next yr.

  42. By westcoastJET28 on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Is seems to get better and better. Now Tanny stated on espn.com that Wayne Hunter is 100% going to be the starter next season. Are you kidding me!? Unless Tony Sporano can pull a 180 with him or Tanny is just blowing smoke to disguise a move, this is by far the worst news I have heard since hearing we might sign Henne.

  43. By DKM on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe glad you brought him up Ta’amu he was one of my favorite’s in the combine not a sleeper anymore would love to have that kid a big guy like this and the numbers ( i know it doesnt mean much ) he put up at the combine where just sickening. That size, that movement is he something else or what ?

  44. By GaryC on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    why don’t jet fans just hand select who they want to put on the field in 2012.everyone from every team is a free agent.

  45. By westcoastJET28 on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    DKM & Scjoe, where do you get that a Sanchez restructured contract would hurt us? Unless you have some inside knowledge or know of a new clause in the CBA I don’t know about, I have no idea where you would draw that conclusion from. Restructuring a contract can be done multiple ways. It doesn’t always add years nor do we lose money. In fact we save money and make players trade value rise, due to a player not being outrageously overpaid. Usually if a player renegotiates he isn’t aware that, that will ultimately result in him being traded. I highly doubt that we would restructure MS contract and then cut him, that just makes no sense, I believe we would try to get something in return from him if that were the case.

  46. By westcoastJET28 on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe, I understand were you are coming from by waiting out the Manning storm(so to speak) but, we need to restructure Sanchez regardless. Especially if we were to want to make a move this season. But, like I said in previous posts, I am starting to think we might not make any. I hope I am wrong. We really need to pick up a starting S and an OT or OG in free agency.

  47. By westcoastJET28 on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Oh yeah DKM, the other point I had was, that is what the FO is for. They know a thing or two when it comes to contracts, restructuring, negotiations, and pushing money around. Hence they’re hiring. Now, how they pick talent, that is entirely a different story.

  48. By GaryC on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    people missing the mangenius,everyone wanted him out but he knew talent better than tannenbaum,if mangini was stan and tannenbaum was ollie, we should have took a STAN.

  49. By Bennett on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Go with Peyton and hope we get a few more really good years out of him or build for the future. Henne has the size at 6’3″ 230 he is young at 27 has 30+ games under his belt, played under Sporano. Him and Sanchez togeather ? Probably way to expensive, and is he that much better? My take trade Sanchez for what you can get ( which I don’t think would be much) , start Henne move McElroy to #2 and draft a late round #3, cheap, with alot of raw talent and let him learn. I think Henne would prosper up here if he can stay healthy. I think after the close that Sanchez had last year that ship has sailed as far as many in this franchise are concerned

  50. By Another Tom on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Our last 2 drafts have been lackluster..maybe because of our positioning..or lack of picks.. or just because Rex has been involved? We need solid picks with solid potential ..Cant afford “projects” and we dont have to make the big splash either. We created alot of holes with last years ” all the wrong moves”. probably so many it will take years to get righted..but we gotta start somewhere..my vote is to fix the OL first..then re-discover our pass rush

  51. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Bears let go of T/Frank Omiyale 29yrs old 6-4 315lbs. Was only scheduled to make 2.9mil. Salary cap move. Would be alot cheaper then Nicks. Robert Mathis will not get the Franchise tag from Indy..Report is would fit great in 3-4 def.scheme. With the money the Jets will have available after cutting a few players and re-do some contracts I can see at least 2-4 FA’s being picked up to fill in some holes.

  52. By scjoe on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    westcoast28, I am not a capologist but I know Sanchez has a large portion of his 50 mil contract guaranteed. He counts for more then 14mil against the cap in 2012 unless he is restructured. Now, the fact much of it is guaranteed means if he don’t get it in 2012 he will get it in 2013 or 2014 the final year of his contract. It is not going to go away. Of course Mr T and the FO are aware of this and will handle it accordingly, but the bottom line is he will get that guaranteed money, the consequences I was referring to will be future consequences and the risk is you don’t know what the cap situation will be then

  53. By Bennett on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    START Wayne Hunter? That makes a lot of sense do that and we will not have a good T not even an avg. or below avg, T but one of the worst in the entire league. ( did not someone say on this board he was rated 5th worst? ) Ryan has got to stand up to T-baum this guy is annointing starters in Feb.What the Heck ?? Come on!!! I am starting to see why JET FAN 64 dislikes Ryan so much. He aint no Parcells

  54. By scjoe on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I am missing something here. Are you saying getting to a conference championship game and losing it is an accomplishment? Personally I don’t see that as a major accomplishment whether it was 1979 or 2012. Winning it and actually getting to the big game is an accomplishment and of course winning that is what it is all about. Further, how do you conclude that “he” accomplished getting to those 2 conference championship games? He didn’t exactly have pro bowl numbers those two years.

  55. By scjoe on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Hey westcoast28, on what Mr T said about Hunter absolutely starting in 2012? I can remember him speaking those exact words re” Chad Pennington right up until the day he cut him and signed Brett Favre. What Mr T says don’t always bode well for those he says it about.

  56. By robertpapalia on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Another year of Wayne Hunter at right tackle. That`s what Tannenbaum said today. Now folks that is something to talk about. Can`t wait.

  57. By Russell on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Randy, what do you think of OLB Ricky Sapp developing into an edge pass rusher. Before his knee injury, he was a projected first round pick. With players like Maybin, Westerman, Sapp and E.Jones, the Jets should develop some pass rushers from within. Also, as to the RT position. I know that Hunter was resigned, but what about Austin Howard as the starting RT. If the Jets don’t resign Pouha as their NT, I think the Jets should draft NT Poe from Memphis at # 16 and have him rotate with Ellis and Tevaseu at the NT position.

  58. By DKM on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    westcoast here is how it works, the money MS is recieving for his last 2 seasons is guarented, if you go to him ask him to restructure and take a pay cut how would you sell it to him, please Mark give me back the money we promised you, are kidding me westcoast, no player in his right mind would do that.
    The only way you get Mark to give up Money is by either you give him more years or guarentee he has a starting Job. Adding more years makes it harder to get rid of him, if he doesnt produce. Converting money to signing bonus also will count against he cap instantly or however you defer it. and if you plan trading him why would he be even talking to the Jets get it.

  59. By DKM on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    just because you go and ask Mark to give up Money you would like to use this year to make your dealings, it will not disapear westcoast cause you allready gave it to him. It will show up somewhere down the line and it will absolutly HURT us.
    THIS IS HOW IT WORKS. What you think this is a charity event where players will give back what they allready promised.

  60. By DKM on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    by the way cutting him doesnt make any finacial sense either since this is a chunk of dead money that will count against the cap. Once again be carefull what you wish for when you ask your big contract guys to restructure, that money just doesnt fall under the Table.
    In case of Brick you might think its all good but what happen when he has another so so year or even gets worster now you stuck with him and all those years you added on.

  61. By GaryC on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    jet fans are saying henne has a better future than mcelroy,who needs henne,give mcelroy his reps as sanchez backup,mcelroy has more upside then henne, and please,I do not want to hear sanchez needs a veteran to push him.

  62. By GaryC on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    maybe a SOPRANO can orchestrate the offense to a standing ovation.

  63. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, Arte and I were just talking about how without even reading all that much between the lines, Mr T’s rap is no longer “Mark’s the starter.” It’s more like, “Mark’s the starter if we can’t get anybody else and even if we can’t he might play his way on to the bench.” As for Rex, what he needed to do was start walking back the childish, fan-like hyping of MS and other players that’s sadly become his trademark. If last October or so he’d said things like, “Mark has a lot of gifts but he’s got to step up if he’s going to lead this team,” people (including me) woulda said, “Wow, Rex knows his job is on the line over MS but he still speaks the truth, still rides MS hard! I’ll walk thru walls for that guy!” But he didn’t, so I won’t.

  64. By Kevin65Fan on Mar 1, 2012 | Reply

    People…you all have to understand one thing. No one in management of any football team is going to say anything about any player…either in free agency or the draft. As many articles that come out…most recently by NFL.com…this is the time of LIES. Nothing but a big game of Poker…who is bluffing who…NO ONE is going to show there hand. Mr. t can say all he wants…Hunter is our starter…yea right. He doesn’t make that decision on who starts and who plays. What do you expect him to say…Oh Hunter stinks…he’s a back up tackle. It will be all determined in pre-season. take anything with a grain of salt…they’re all a bunch of bluffs..or lies.

  65. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    For those who seem to think there’s no one out there who can coach the Jets better than Rex, it looks as if Tomlin’s having the ground cut out from under his feet somewhat and if so, I’d take him to coach the Jets in a heartbeat.

  66. By IRA on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Hey i am rooting for Hunter. Cool guy and maybe he just needs a fresh start this year. But i do think that when camp starts he will have to earn that job its not going to be handed to him. Think Mr T would have tipped his hand that they want to draft an OL and maybe early. Can’t believe anything these GM’s say. Why should they tip their hands.
    As for Thomas or Johnson at OLB this year . It will be one or the other. They’re not going to sign two OLB’s who are both over 30 yrs old and one is coming off of an injury. Johnson is probably their first choice and BT is the fall back plan.

  67. By Tom Spicer on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    If Wayne Hunter is the starting right tackle for the Jets it does not matter who the QB is for the Jets EVEN Peyton. WE ARE IN TROUBLE!

  68. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Mike T. makes me laugh..Wayne Hunter is our starter?? I guess he’s supposed to say that. But WE ALL know that ain’t gonna happen. Either Turner comes back or we get someone via free agency. Hunter is a good BACK-UP…but a starter…he’s clearly not. ’64Tom…my Rex Ryan Kool-aid juice is almost gone. I was even willing to sit back for one more season and watch him and GQ just to see if this marriage will work. But it’s interesting that you bring up Tomlin…I was hoping for another steeler ex-coach…Cowher. And this is for all the Peyton nay-sayers…Rex Ryan LOVES Peyton manning..and he knows Peyton may very well save his job along with Mike T. And there’s no better way to prove his point in beating Brady.

  69. By Tom Spicer on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Another Tom, “We created alot of holes with last years ” all the wrong moves”. probably so many it will take years to get righted..but we gotta start somewhere..my vote is to fix the OL first..” This is 100% right.

  70. By Tom Spicer on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Thinking about last off season you guys know I have said many times how unhappy I was getting rid of Braylon, Cotchery & Woody. Replacing them with Mason 38, Plax 36 & had not played ball in years & Hunter (do I hae to say anything) where CLEAR mistakes. I thought about this if you were going to do the above moves why did we not draft a RT knowing Woody was not coming back? Why did we not draft a WR knowing Mason was 38 & Plax was 36? How long did we think WR’S that age would be on the team? Why did we not draft a pass rusher or a saftey which everyone has known we have needed for years? Now I am not taking a shot at Wilkerson or Ellis I actually like both of them & think the both will be good players for us. But we had Pouha & Tavesu at NT

  71. By Tom Spicer on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    We had Devito, Rapolti & Dixon at our ends. Would those 1st & 3rd round picks not have been better served taking a RT, WR, RB, OLB or a safety?

  72. By GaryC on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, no, fans just have more reason to dump on someone like sanchez,before free agency you would have to live with your quarterback and make it work,now it is like bring in Manning, bring in Edwards,bring in every pro bowler,like that is going to work.Sanchez has won more playoff games then any jet qb including the almighty.Scjoe, this is for you and jet fan tom,In the wild card game against chiefs after super bowl,at shea stadium if sanchez was under center and not broadway joe after that series where jets just got field goal you would have been screaming then too,but because it was broadway joe,well, you get my drift.

  73. By GaryC on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    edwards will react the same way that holmes did,when you start to lose the real person comes out.you never go back from whence you came,start to look for new receivers instead of recycled ones.

  74. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    I never thought Farve was coming to NYJ, but he did. And for those eight games I thought we had a real shot until he hurt his shoulder and the FO & Mangenius covered it up. We need that big arm with this offense guys. Just look at what we have as weapons..you got Holmes…Kerley who I think is our V.Cruz and then keller as you all remember was having a breakout season with Farve throwing him the ball. And we might get Edwards back. All these guys can get down field. Ground and Pound doesn’t make sense with this group of talent.

  75. By Tom Spicer on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    All of the blame is going on Mark & Rex’s shoulders I dont blame them Rex & Mark were given a butter knife to go into a machine gun fight. I 100% blame last year on MR.T. I DO NOT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS HE BLEW IT! On the line you can have older guys but RB’S & WR’S this is a young mans game based off of speed. You do not replace 2 28 year old proven good players with a 38 year old & a 36 year old who has not played in years. YOU HAVE TO BE A FOOL TO THINK THAT WOULD WORK! I prayed we would catch ligthing in a bottle & it would work but that was foolish. Again MR.T BLEW IT!

  76. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    well you can take Goldson off the Safety FA list….49ers just placed the franchise tag on him…

  77. By westcoastJET28 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, I understand salary cap, contracts from a capologist point of view. You making it seem like we would be hit with all of MS’s $50 million. I am just saying, if it means to eat a chunk of money in later years to restructure MS and better our beloved Jets today, I am all for it. Even if it were to just solves this years problems. I’m not interested so much in the future (obviously) as I am in winning NOW! I will let the GM & FO worry about the financial captastrophes (haha) they already got themselves into by giving MS & other players these ridiculous contracts in the first place.

  78. By westcoastJET28 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    In terms of how to approach him, DMK, I’d tell him if he really is a team player and wants to be a true leader of this team, he should take a pay cut to help his team get better. Whether he accepts or not would give me a better or rather true assessment of his leadership, growth, and where he stands in the locker room. He hasn’t played like he deserves that money and he now needs to earn it. And if he drastically improves, I would be all for paying the man, but, that is yet to be proven. So, I will keep all possibilities/options open.

  79. By westcoastJET28 on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe, as I stated above, I truly hope Tanny is just blowing smoke about Hunter starting in ’12. I do recall the Pennington praises. Rex does the same thing, ie E. Cook. Let’s just hope it’s one of those scenarios or we will be in some serious trouble offensively.

  80. By Bennett on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    We need a WR Braylon needs a home. He liked us, we liked him. What is the big deal T-Baum ? Lets not play games with this one OK ? Just try and be honest for once you might like it if you ever try it. When the time comes say you want him if the price is right (it is that simple) and then JUST SIGN HIM!! He would be happy as heck with a nice, fair 3-4 year deal

  81. By Bennett on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    If T-Baum took truth serum today he would say ” Yeah Hunter is a lousy tackle best suited as a backup, if that, but I screwed up the cap so bad these last years I have to use him because he is cheap and available and we have way to many other big holes to fill “

  82. By Tom Spicer on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, You love to quote Cimini well this is what he Tweeted. Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum confirmed that he considers Wayne Hunter the team’s starting right tackle entering 2012.”We expect Wayne back,” said Tannenbaum. “We expect him to be our starter.” The Jets already guaranteed Hunter’s full $2.45 million base salary, so there’s no doubt he’ll return as a member of the 53-man roster. It seems like the Jets are having a lot of trouble admitting this mistake. Hunter was arguably the worst 16-game starter in football last season, regardless of position. Cimini said he was THE WORST starter in all of football REGARDLESS of position NOW please tell me how that would not hurt the QB?

  83. By Tom Spicer on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Bob Kravitz of the Indianapolis Star reports Peyton Manning is working out in Florida and throwing “much, much better.”NFL Network’s Albert Breer has heard similar reports. It was the well-sourced Kravitz who told the Tony Kornheiser Show early last month that Manning did not yet look like an NFL quarterback in throwing sessions. Between the Kravitz report and another by ESPN’s Chris Mortensen, it seems that Manning has made substantial progress over the past 4-6 weeks. We wouldn’t be surprised to see a free agent blitz on Manning immediately after his March 8 release GET IT DONE!

  84. By GaryC on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Newsflash,Manning has heard Hunter is returning to jets and says he will not play for them stating, I have only one neck to give to my country.

  85. By Tom Spicer on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, Richardson will be there for the Jets to take & I will prove it. 1 colts – andrew luck 2 rams – steve jackson 3 vikings – adrian peterson 4 browns – peyton hillis 5 bucs – legarett blount 6 redskins – tannehill / RG3 7 jags – maurice jones drew 8 miami – reggie bush & took daniel thomas in the 2nd round 9 panthers – deangelo williams & john stewart 10 bills -fred jackson & cj spiller 11 cheifs – jamal charles 12 seahawks – marshawn lynch 13 cards – bennie wells & last year they took ryan williams in the 2nd round 14 boys – demarco murray 15 eagles – lesean mccoy 16 jets – trent richardson. The only team in front of us that may take him is the Redskins but I would be shocked if they did not go for a QB. All of the other teams have a

  86. By Tom Spicer on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    franchise RB or have a good RB & took one in the top 2 rounds last year. Unless Washington or Tampa take him HE WILL BE THERE FOR US!

  87. By scjoe on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Please fellow Jet fans, lets not hear that James Farrior has been released and how we should run out and sign him. Rather, lets go out and find the next James Farrior in the draft.

  88. By scjoe on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    64, I would agree to bring in Tomlin, but on one condition, he is able to bring along Big Ben, Harrison,Polamalu,Wallace,Woodley, Mendenhall, and Antonio Brown as well. Otherwise he is no upgrade to what we have. It’s the personnel my friend.

  89. By scjoe on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    westcoast28/DKM The bottom line is there ARE consequences, there ARE ramifications, there has to be the way these incredibly large sums of money are paid out and to keep it all under a cap as well. That is particularly true of the higher paid players and even more so when they under perform. The biggest killer is “guaranteed money” because there are not to many players out there who are willing to be so kind as to give it back just because they “under perform” but yet they are the first who want to “renegotiate” when they have one year where they “over perform”

  90. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, When NYJ let go of Farrior was it because they played a 4-3? Parcells wasn’t very fond of him if I recall correctly? And look..he became a pro-bowler. Solid LB for the steelers. Class act guy. What’s your take on the kid from Boston? Luke Kuechly? Look like his stock is climbing. NE is keeping a close eye on him.

  91. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Please, GaryC, 2 yrs after the KC playoff loss Joe had that amazing game vs. the Colts. Joe had bad games, lost games, but until the last yr or so he still had the ability to win a game singlehandedly, which Sanchez doesn’t come close to having. But I agree with you on Edwards, whose attitude mid-2009 was poor. Spicer, no one would deny Hunter’s weak, just like no one would deny MS is. scjoe, personnel is king but with his boorish, undiscplined, unskilled approach to coaching and his Stone Age view of the game, Rex sets the bar very low, Tomlin’s a Giant compared to him…to say nothing of Cowher, Allan. As for what they say vs. what they do, Mr T and Rex will bail on “Mark” the second Peyton signs, as he might well save both their jobs.

  92. By Bennett on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Good ole Sanchez finished last season 28th in completions and a whopping 20% completion rate on passes over 20 yards ( bleacher reports ) to quote ” Sanchez was a huge failure” The Jets did not beat one single team last season with a winning record and had a classic meltdown in the last 3 must win games under the fearless captain Sanchez ending with a 3 interception last game with the Fish. ( 2 TO LINEMAN ). Lets stop the bleeding and get Henne in here and try and turn this around,

  93. By Frank on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer we are really in trouble if Sanchize-Not is the starting QB for the Jets who by the way is the worst starting QB in the NFL ranked 30th last year. Hunter played in streaks and Brick gave up more sacks while Hunter had more penalties. If Sanchize-Not knew how to be an NFL QB like Manning who feels pressure and slides around the pocket to throw the ball while Sanchize-Not looks to scramble and loses sight of the field. Seemed like half the time he rolled into the sack and certainly holds the ball WAY to long. TanWoody should do everything humanly possible to trade Sanchize-Not maybe a 6 or 7th rounder but get that horiffic 14 mil. cap number off our books. That will allow us to get a few impact players and a much cheaper game manager.

  94. By kleckofan on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Thoughts:1.Do not draft any DLineman/pass rusher under 6’4″ (except a NT), this includes Ingram & Upshaw, too short 2.Forget Peyton, lets build a team, let’s not chase the quick fix or has-beens everytime (Favre, Lott, Monk, Burress etc) our FA history is not stellar 3.I can honestly say that even after the 40yr drought I would not feel great about winning a SB w Manning and Wayne being the main cogs (it’d be like an Indy B team).4.Tanny is out of his depth as a GM, can he just learn to say “we’re looking at all possibilities that will make us better” like other GMs? He loves the attention this mysterious garbage brings. He’s like a star struck kid in Hollywood, the Tanny era must end or no SB 5.not a Barron fan too short to cover TEs

  95. By Frank on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer Richardson will go to the Browns…Hillis is gone one way or the other he is retiring or somewhere else. If not I guarantee the Dolphins or Chiefs will not pass on him. I said it earlier we need to build our O-Line depth and that is the safest pick. Nothing glamorous about it but the teams that are consistant winners have the best lineman and depth on both sides of the ball that is were it starts and ends.

  96. By GaryC on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    how long before we can take mangini out of his espn gig and make him head of college scouting and dump clinkscales.

  97. By GaryC on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    haven’t seen trent richardson put on a pass rush yet.

  98. By scjoe on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Alan O” The Jets under Parcells at that time were playing “predominately” a 3-4 style of defense. The reason Farrior left after his contract expired was because the Jets choose not to match what the Steelers offered. That is what happens most times when players jump ship. As for Luke Kuechly? I have said this before he is the second coming of Zach Thomas with a little more speed which he just showed at the combine. And for anyone who remembers Zach Thomas they know what I mean. As for the Jets? I am not sure the Jets would select him at 16 based on the fact there are more pressing needs then ILB. Would he fit in? Absolutely!

  99. By scjoe on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, to put it in simple terms, it is called human nature. That said, you just can not compare a Joe Willie with a Mark Sanchez no matter what era. The skill set differential is just so far apart, and I think that goes a long way toward answering your question. As far as that playoff game against the Chiefs the following year? I remember distinctly sitting in that wind and cold of Shea and watching the Jets championship reign come to an end.

  100. By scjoe on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, have to disagree. If Richardson IS there at 16 there it will be because of other factors (injury, off field issue, horrible work out at pro day etc.) but not for a lack of suitors. I can envision the Browns (Hillis is an UFA) T.B. Jax (Jones Drew is not getting any younger) Seattle (Lynch is an UFA) not to mention a trade up from a team like the Bengals (2 #1s) or even the Lions who would probably benefit more from Richardson then anyone. Bottom line, possible, but not very probable, although I hope you are right. The question would be “will the Jets pull the trigger?”

  101. By scjoe on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, one final word. If I remember correctly you are living in Indiana. If that is the case and what I hear about those storms are true, stay out of harms way my friend.

  102. By Jet Fan Since 64 Tom on Mar 2, 2012 | Reply

    It’s official according to Cimini: The Jets are interested in Peyton, Henne, and Campbell, most of the names many of us have been throwing around. Also according to Cimini, insiders in the Jets org believe Sanchez has been coddled and needs a push. Ah, the return of sanity! This is what it might look like when Mr T and Rex finally grow up and admit that you have to play and start the best players, not rely on Rex’s PR blather, to win big. Apparently the days of decision are March 8, 13, and 28. The first 2 we all know about, the last I didn’t know about — the day MS’s completely undeserved “bonus” is due. As the Byrds once sang, “…and I’ll probably feel a whole lot better” when I read MS ain’t gettin’ that $ and may not be “the starter.”

  103. By ROY23 on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with you on not signing Farrior after all we drafted him and like oh so many before him go on and have great careers playing for some one else…….. ALLEN o’dane he didn’t fit the system.

  104. By Jet Fan Since 64 Tom on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Looks like one of my posts didn’t make it, scjoe, but I did respond to you to say that while Tomlin’s been blessed with some personnel that Rex hasn’t been, I’ll take Tomlin for his professional demeanor alone over Rex. Of course, it definitely helps when you coach a team that’s smart enough to draft a big, physical QB with a huge arm instead of the guy we’ve currently got…

  105. By GaryC on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, thanks again for the concern, we are fortunate we are just south of Indy. all of the damage was way down south near the ohio river and kentucky around louisville and lexington,after that I cannot even say a bad thing,I might save it for Jet Fan Tom.

  106. By GaryC on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom,you mention the game against the colts, that being said if you treated namath like you do sanchez,namath maybe wouldn’t have had that chance against the colts,speaking of broadway joe and statistics,compare Joe to Frank Ryan of the 60,s browns,and then tell me why Frank Ryan isn’t in the hall of fame.

  107. By GaryC on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fan Tom and Scjoe, there are just too many knee jerk reactions nowadays with free agency,due your due diligence with the draft and with the college free agent signings and possible trades,and you don’t have to rely on players who are counting their windfall in free agency.

  108. By GaryC on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, concerning sanchez,I thought you were singing James Taylor’s YOU GOT A FRIEND.

  109. By Tom Spicer on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, Yes lets bring in Henne who in 5 years has never had more than 15 TDS in a year. Mark had 15 TDS as a rookie & 32 TDS last year more than DOUBLE Hennes career high. THIS WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT DOWN GRADE !

  110. By Tom Spicer on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, The Browns are going for a QB. Jones Drew lead the NFL

  111. By Tom Spicer on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry typo Jones Drew lead the NFL in rushing. There is zero chance the Seahawks let Lynch go he is the Seahawks. Unless a team trades us we have a 50 50 chance to get him.

  112. By Tom Spicer on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, Browns are going for a QB. Miami has reggie bush & took daniel thomas in the 2nd round last year. Plus are switching to a 4-3 they are going 4-3 DE. cheifs have jamal charles one of the best RB’S in the entire NFL they are not taking a RB.

  113. By Tom Spicer on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, EVERYONE on the planet says Hunter is TERRIBLE but you. I have EVER NEVER met someone who said he was good. Where there are MANY guys who say Mark can still be a good QB NO ONE says Hunter has a shot to EVER be GOOD!

  114. By scjoe on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    64, I know you are not that high on Henne, but to me it is another option, and God knows we need options at that position. If you were to analyze all of the available candidates, what they have done in the past and how well they have done it, with the exception of Peyton it does not look very promising.With Henne your getting the youngest of the bunch, probably the strongest arm of the bunch, and in my mind the one with the most upside. I just sense something about this kid that tells me he can break out, he has far more of the physical tools then the rest of the field. Of course not including Peyton.

  115. By joeyjets12fla on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    hey randy any chance of you inguiring about pennington comming in as some sort of tuitor for sanchez. asking rex or mike t. not as a back-up but as coach or as a trainer. thanks

  116. By scjoe on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    64, as for Tomlin/Rex? Yes, Tomlin has the professional demeanor that Rex does not have. But on a scale of 1-10 with 1 being minimal at most, how much has his unprofessionalism actually hurt the team on the playing field? It is crude, unprofessional, boring, obnoxious etc. I would be the first to agree, but his knowledge of the defense more then makes up for his shortcomings in etiquette. I believe Rex would outperform Tomlin hands down having an equal talent pool. Take a close look at what each have been working with on D and tell me what you see.

  117. By scjoe on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I hear what you are saying about free agency and I guess it comes down to how each individual fan relates to it. For me, if you can upgrade a position without breaking the bank, you do it. I have put my two cents in on signings like Moss, TO, Farrior, even Abraham where their best days are behind them, but if you can upgrade with guys in or near their prime and it is a definite upgrade, you do it. After all is said and done does it really matter how they were acquired if they are winners?

  118. By scjoe on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, if RGIII is gone the Browns will not select Tannyhill at #4. They will either go with Richardson or trade down with someone else who wants him. Of course that is not set in stone, but it just seems to me that a guy with the skill set of Richardson and at that critical of a position that he lasts all the way to #16. In other words, I would have to see it to believe it.

  119. By Frank on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer I didn’t say he was great I think he had a bad year just like Brick. He did a great job the last three games of 2010 when Woody went down and in the playoffs. For whatever reason he did not play well last season and a big reason for that just like the rest of the offense is because Sanchize-Not dragged everyone down with his lousy play.
    64 I want nothing to do with Campbell he has no upside…I am OK with Henne only because he knows Sparanos system and started off well last year before he got hurt. He is a capable game manager that won’t cost 14 Mil. Guaranteed they haven’t gone to him to re-structure because they are holding out hope for Manning. If by some miracle they land him you can bet your bottom dollar Sanchize-Not is gone!

  120. By Bennett on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer – In Henne’s 36 games he has a 60.7 completion % with 31 TD’s and has lost only 2 fumbles. In 2010 he played 15 games and had 3,301 yards with a 61.4 competion %. In the first game in 2011 before he got hurt HE HAD 416 YARDS and a 61.2% completion % against the Pats. He is big, he is strong, he is tough he has a GUN FOR AN ARM and DOES NOT PLAY SCARED. He is young and, yes still raw and still throws alot of pics but he is GETTING BETTER EVERY YEAR (unlike your boy ). He was drafted in the 2nd round and had to prove himself unlike our #5 who was handed the job on a silver platter and runs away from a rush. This kid is going to be a very good one and I hope the Jets are smart enought to realize this and get him now why the can.

  121. By Bennett on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Also Spicer some intangibles that don’t show in your stats : Henne is not going to pout on the sidelines when his number 2 gets some snaps at practice. He is going to have the respect of his WR’ s because he will hang in there and throw long instead of always dumping to avoid a hit. He will have the respect of the team and coaches because he will face the rush and get up for more when he gets clocked. In short he will act like a man and a leader on the field and in the locker room unlike that pampered little boy who was just removed as captain and has 0 respect from his teamates, the media and the league.

  122. By Jet Fan Since 64 Tom on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    It’s not every day I get to agree vehemently with Spicer in defense of Sanchez and disagree with GaryC and scjoe but first, GaryC, I didn’t know about those storms till scjoe mentioned them, stay inside. Here the biggest threat outdoors is gas prices. Spicer, I COMPLETELY agree, Henne is a complete downgrade from MS and there’s no good reason to spend a dime on him. I’m obviously as worried about Sanchez’s upside as anyone but he HAS had moments of brilliance, playoff wins, and big comebacks. Sometimes when I watch him I’m dumbfounded as to what happened to the guy who threw so low, hard, fast, and accurately in his very first game vs HOU in 2009. (Teams got tape on him, that’s what happened.) More coming next post…

  123. By Jet Fan Since 64 Tom on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    More on No Henne: A healthy Peyton’s different, he’s one of the greatest QBs of all time. Campbell or Orton legitimately beating out Sanchez is also different, they strike me as guys who could soon arrive as quality if not elite QBs and that might work for a yr or 2 until we decide to draft a QB again. Even McElroy is different, he’s a guy we drafted and claim to like a lot. (You never know with Mr T and Rex, they say the same about O’Connell.) But Henne’s ridiculous, he hasn’t come close to what MS has achieved and he’s coming off an injury. As for Joe, GaryC, the guy’s physical skills were so awesome from Day One there was no way you wouldn’t hang in with him. In his worst games he made throws that MS has yet to make. More coming…

  124. By Jet Fan Since 64 Tom on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    More on Joe and Sanchez: And I’d like to point out that what I’m saying about Joe is gleaned from having SEEN EVERY GAME HE EVER PLAYED ON THE JETS, NOT JUST FROM READING STATISTICS! You have to WATCH THE GAMES to know what the heck you’re talking about! Remember in the early years when they said he “threw the ball too hard,” GaryC? Joe grew rapidly into an SB-winning QB, then quickly deteriorated as the injuries became endless. It’s a miracle he didn’t retire a yr or 2 after the SB, given the physical shape he was in. Remember when they said — DURING HIS CAREER! — that if he kept playing he might not walk after retiring? So the MS comparison is way off. Besides, Joe never showed AN OUNCE of fear, MS is the poster child for it.

  125. By IRA on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    Glad to see Chad working with Mark to learn Sparano’s playbook. As i suggested right after the season ended and Chad’s future was unclear at that point. Besides him helping right now they should’ve signed him to the staff. Chad is brilliant and Mark or any other QB can always learn form a brilliant football mind and a class act which would rub off on the entire team.

  126. By scjoe on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    64, lets remember who MS had to throw to in his career as opposed to who Henne had. I think the only reliable target Henne had on a consistent basis was Fasano. The O line over there, with the exception of Long was not all that brilliant either.And I can not believe I am defending a QB who may not even be on the roster nor can I believe you are actually defending MS (lol)

  127. By Kevin65Fan on Mar 3, 2012 | Reply

    I agree Ira…what Mark will learn in the next 3 months will be valuable. But them MacElroy will probably learn it in a week. Just as he did with Schotty’s coloring book which supposedly was so difficult…Mac’s a smart kid and knows the QB skills which he has been schooled in more and more in the Mannings camps and learned from the best as someone is shooting GQ spreads and running around with models. to each his own…but in the end you will be hearing in 2012 “We want Mac”…We want Mac”

  128. By GaryC on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, you keep mentioning the physical skills of quarterbacks,if you compare montana with george,who had the better physical skills,what about ryan leaf,tim couch,now I give you Bart Starr,Frank Ryan,Joe had a lot of physical skills but also had a lot of six interception games,As the kid says in a Bronx Tale,it is terrible to waste talent.Sometimes being cerebral can overcome lack of physical talent.

  129. By Tom Spicer on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, Tom 64 is not defending MS he just knows like me that Henne is a clear DOWNGRADE!

  130. By Tom Spicer on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    I have said this before & I will say it again. I am a Jet fan not a MS fan & I want the best QB we can get if we get Peyton or someone who is better then Mark I am all for it but these DREAMS of Henne or McElroy coming in & being better then Mark are just what they are DREAMS. Henne has done nothing in 4 years EVERY year he has had more turnovers than TDS EVERY YEAR! & THIS IS THE GUY YOU WANT REALLY?

  131. By Frank on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Gary C great post about cerebral QB’s that is why undersized QB’s like Montana and Brees have been so good because they are incredibly intelligent football players. The same can be said of Pennington as well although he did not have the same playoff success as the others. Sanchize-Not DOES NOT HAVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    He has consistantly made the same bonehead plays every year and is the major reason there has been no growth from him. Time to send his 55% passing and turnover machine packing.
    64 I will take Henne over Campbell, Orten and Sanchize-Not as Bennett noted and I mentioned in an earlier post he started the year very well it was unfortunate he got hurt. He knows Sparanos system and that is a huge advantage.

  132. By Tom Spicer on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, You say I post garbage stats but you go & post EVEN WORSE garbage stats about Henne. He STINKS PERIOD! For every 1 good game you can post stats for Henne I can post 5 that Mark had. You must not watch the Jet games cause Marks gets BLASTED every week & gets up & never complains about his line. The WR that you talk about that does not respect him. The guy doesnt respect ANYONE EVEN HIMSELF! His teamates call him a CANCER! GET A CLUE!

  133. By GaryC on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, sometimes having all the physical tools as a quarterback can also make you thick headed, like you can throw through any coverage,taking unnessary chances when not needed.

  134. By GaryC on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    frank, I am not saying sanchez is the brightest light,but he has accomplished more than any jet in playoff wins,I take into account he had Shotty leading him,which hurts you off the bat,I always mentioned Fassel,not because of him,but always thought sanchez needed an older coach as mentor,not shotty,who reminded me of a preppy kid.If sanchez doesn’t improve this year I would be for giving Mcelroy a shot,but please no Chad Henne.

  135. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, Rex’s 1940s view of O during the era of the QB and the pass-first strategy puts him well behind most HC’s in the NFL, and it also keeps him from developing and using the right players on O. GaryC, the game has changed immensely since Montana’s time. I’m not saying he wouldn’t be great today but players are bigger, faster, more physical at every position and even some of the smaller QBs you mention, like Brees, have huge arms. And don’t even bring up Starr or Ryan, that’s really ancient history, especially in that they played in the NFL in the ’60s rather than the AFL, which had both the more aggressive O’s and D’s, as you saw when the Jets and Chiefs won the SB. Yeah, Spicer, MS needs to get better but Henne over him?! Please…

  136. By scjoe on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, a couple of points. First, lets not forget that in the era of a Bart Starr and even a Frank Ryan to a little lesser degree, ALL of the players were much smaller, lighter, and less physically gifted then they are today. A DT that weighed in at 275 was considered huge, where as today that is below average for a DE. Just saying! As for Joe Willie/MS? I guess what 64 is referring to is ALL the intangibles, not just the physical aspects, remember, Joe Willie called most of his own plays and was a master of reading defenses, He was the anti MS in that respect.

  137. By scjoe on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    spicer, Of course I respect your opinion on Chad Henne, and I am not saying by any stretch that he is the second coming of John Elway. But take in to account the fact that just as you believe MS can still turn it around and become a legitimate starter in this league, that is what I feel about Henne. I just think he has more of an upside then MS because of the physical tools, those which you either have or you do not have. I really believe that the way Henne started out this past season that he was heading for a career year. So, lets all stay tuned and see exactly how this one plays out.

  138. By GaryC on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, you and scjoe are saying starr and ryan played in the stone age,isn’t that when namath played too,I mean their was overlapping here.what does having being a winner depend on what era you played in.you guys are saying Namath would be successful today because of his arm and that would cost Starr and Montana,give me a break.I will give you guys an analogy,In the dog show they say the dogs are measured against the breed standard,not other dogs in the group,so joe namath is better than Starr and Montana as quarterback standard.

  139. By GaryC on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    as an appendage to my last comment,if this is a dog show, starr and montana come home with the blue ribbons and joe comes home with the Pabst Blue Ribbon.

  140. By scjoe on Mar 4, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I am not quite sure what kind of words you are trying to put in my mouth.I simply compared the skill set of Joe Willie to that of Mark Sanchez in response to something you said about both and concluded that there really is no comparison, not in the physical tools not in the intangibles not in anything. And it really wouldn’t matter what era we are talking about, or what size the players are, or were back then. There is absolutely no area in which Mark Sanchez out shines Joe Willie and I would stand by that statement no matter how many conference championship games Sanchez happens to appear in with the rest of the team. I hope that clears it up.

  141. By ROY23 on Mar 5, 2012 | Reply

    YOU GUYS DON’T REALLY BELIEVE HENNE AT Q.B FOR OUR TEAM???? I read some post about K.O from den. & k.c. He’s had 2 shots at starter (chi.-den.) and couldn’t make it work in either. J.C from oak. is more of a system Q.B. and he needs a strong running game. not to mention speed W.R’s. something he had in OAK. something we’re lacking… I believe we have to fill a lot of holes both O & D. AND a real Q.B comp. see if MCELROY beats MS out.

  142. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 5, 2012 | Reply

    It’s the NFL in the 1960s that was the Stone Age, GaryC, the AFL was the Enlightenment. And I’m not saying any of those great QBs wouldn’t have been good today, but the skill sets of each vary with respect to how the game is played now. Joe might’ve been one of the most successful — and thrown less picks re rules changes — by way of his strength, size, arm, and ability to read D’s, as scjoe points out. Not to mention his truly larger-than-life courage and leadership. scjoe, I’m sticking with Spicer on Henne, I don’t think he’d push Sanchez all that much. In fact, I can see Mr T and Rex talking about him having a shot to start when all they really want is a younger Brunell. Peyton, McElroy, or a #1 pick in 2012 si, mediocre backups no!

  143. By Frank on Mar 5, 2012 | Reply

    Garyc C we have won inspite of Sanchize-Not its just that simple. Don’t give me this garbage about him winning playoff games. This team has NEVER had a running game this good and a defense this good during 2009-10 that is why we won. If we had a real NFL QB during that time we would have at the very least won more regular season games, had a few home playoff games and gotten to the Superbowl and possibly have won one. He has shown absolutely nothing to convince me we will win with him zero, zip, nada!

  144. By scjoe on Mar 5, 2012 | Reply

    64, I know the Henne/Orton/Campbell vs MS issues will rage on until there is a clear winner. To try to put it into perspective, aside from Peyton and “maybe” Flynn there simply is not a whole lot out there to get excited about. To date none of the first four above has impressed me throughout their careers. So, what I do is I look at physical tools, age, upside, progress in their game and intangibles, both good and bad, and by process of elimination I come up with Henne. Now, this guy may not even be on the roster come August, but for conversational purposes I think he is the guy.

  145. By robertpapalia on Mar 5, 2012 | Reply

    Joe Namath was the best qb I ever saw at throwing the ball. Unfortunately he got a little too overconfident in his throwing ability which caused him to throw to many interceptions. Anyway if he was playing today he would have a field day throwing the ball with these friendly offensive rules in place.

  146. By 40 year fan on Mar 5, 2012 | Reply

    We should go after Matt Leinhart for QB ..The Texans have Schaub..they don’t need Leinhart..forget about cambell , or orton ,…all that is a mess

  147. By 40 year fan on Mar 5, 2012 | Reply

    Peyton is finished ..we would do well to have Sanchez , and Leinhart .

  148. By 40 year fan on Mar 5, 2012 | Reply

    Randy,.. (Rumor I heard ) is it true we are talking to Braylon Edwards about coming back ?

  149. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 5, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks much for the perspective on how Joe would do with these “friendly offensive rules” in place, robertp — including the Brady Rule, which would’ve been of great help to Joe considering the state of his knees. scjoe, I know what you mean about those QBs, it’s just that if we’d had Orton or Campbell on the bench last yr, I’ve no doubt they coulda done better than Sanchez in those last 3 games. It’s up to MS to wipe that model of himself off the charts and start playing like a #5 draft pick, even with some holes elsewhere in the team (which every other team has, too).

  150. By Tom Spicer on Mar 5, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, HELLO! Curtis Martin anyone?

  151. By GaryC on Mar 6, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, like I said in previous posts, I believe the cleveland browns invented the forward pass with otto graham,to say the afl opened up football is ridiculous,people in the afl knew who Baugh,Graham,Van Brocklin and Waterfield were.you watched too many green bay packers and bears games of the 60’s believing the Nfl was three yards in a cloud of dust.Brodie,Gabriel,c’mon,those guys did more than handoff.It is alright to expound the virtues of the early AFL but don’t falsify information that the Nfl was all ground and pound.Jurgenson lit up the giants for 72 points in 1966.

  152. By GaryC on Mar 6, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, this is not politics where you only have one point of view,this is the no spin zone when it comes to football history.

  153. By robertpapalia on Mar 6, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez needs to do better this year 64 Tom, Tannenbaum`s and Ryan`s jobs depend on it. So much so that if this year turns out to be a diaster I have a gut feeling that Woody will not stand for it. We will see.

  154. By scjoe on Mar 6, 2012 | Reply

    64, we are in agreement 100% on that “if we had Campbell OR Orton on the roster last year I have no doubt that they could have done a better job then MS” but for me, that is more of a reflection on MS AND Brunell then either of those two guys. The Jets, more notably Mime Tannenbaum, totally backed themselves in to a corner last season re” the b/u QB position, no doubt!

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