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Jets Mourn the Deaths of Tony Veteri, Ken Shipp

Posted by Randy Lange on March 7, 2012 – 12:59 pm

It’s our sad duty this morning to pass on word of the recent passing of two members of the Jets family, Tony Veteri Sr. and Ken Shipp.

Veteri, 88, who died at home in Mount Vernon, N.Y., on Monday from his battle with pancreatic cancer, was more recently connected to the team, although most fans wouldn’t recognize his name or his face or know what exactly he did for the Green & White.

He was among the small team of NFL officials who over the years arrived at the Jets’ previous home at Hofstra University in their black-and-white-striped shirts to officiate at Jets practices. And he visited a few times after the Jets moved to their new digs here at the Atlantic Health Training Center in Florham Park, N.J.

Veteri was well-qualified to throw flags at Jets practices, which he first started doing in the early Nineties under head coach Bruce Coslet. He worked 23 seasons as a head linesman at NFL games, including four Super Bowls.

“There was a point where the Jets were the least-penalized team in the league,” Veteri’s son, Tony Jr., who has followed in the “family business” as a current 20-year NFL head linesman, fondly recalled for www.lohud.com today. “Knowing my dad, it was because he taught everybody how to hold without getting caught.”

Veteri was recruited to play football at Kentucky by Bear Bryant, played minor league baseball in the New York Giants organization, and was inducted into the Mount Vernon High School and Westchester County Sports halls of fame.

He is survived by his wife of 65 years, Rosie, his son and daughter and three grandchildren. Visitation at the Yannantuono Burr Davis Sharpe Funeral Home, 584 Gramatan Ave., Mount Vernon, will be today from 7-9 p.m. and Thursday from 4-9 p.m.

Shipp’s Claims to Fame

Shipp, 83, who died Monday night, was considered a passing-game guru back in the Seventies. He was the Jets’ receivers coach from 1973-75 and so worked closely with Joe Namath and his two hybrid WR-TE pass-catchers, Rich Caster and Jerome Barkum.

Then Shipp got an unexpected, short-lived promotion late in ’75 when Charley Winner was dismissed as head coach and he was named the Jets’ interim head coach for the final five games of that season.

And in that position Shipp played perhaps his most visible role in the Namath story when he became the first coach to sit down Joe Willie for a start not due to injury since Namath arrived on the Jets scene in 1965. That was on Dec. 15, 1975, before Game 13, the Monday night affair at San Diego. Here is the text of the press release, from the team’s archives, disclosing that decision:

“The New York Jets announced that Joe Namath would not start at quarterback for tonight’s game with the San Diego Chargers because of disciplinary reasons.

“Head Coach Ken Shipp announced that Namath had missed the Sunday night curfew and would be fined and that consequently, J.J. Jones would start the game. Shipp said, however, that Namath would play.

“Shipp told the Jets squad of his decision when the club arrived at the locker room for the game.”

Jones completed one of five passes for 13 yards and an interception before Namath entered the game with 9½ minutes left in the second quarter and went 15-for-29 for 181 yards and two INTs in the Jets’ 24-16 primetime loss.

Before coming to the Jets, Shipp was on the Saints staff and got to work with an older QB by the name of Archie Manning, who so respected Shipp’s coaching that he asked him to tutor his sons, Peyton and Eli.

Then after the Jets, Shipp moved on to Detroit and in 1977 Lions coach Rick Forzano gave him a new assistant to take under his wing, a shy, defensive-minded 24-year-old from tiny Wesleyan University. His work with Shipp is how Bill Belichick became a more well-rounded head-coaching candidate-to-be.

Funeral arrangements for Shipp are being handled by Jennings & Ayers Funeral Home in Murfreesboro, Tenn.

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257 Responses to “Jets Mourn the Deaths of Tony Veteri, Ken Shipp”

  1. By scjoe on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    R.I.P Tony and Ken.

  2. By scjoe on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    One more word on the Peyton saga because it is such an important issue. Those of you who believe Peyton would not be a “good fit” with the NY Jets better hope he IS a good fit with Washington or Arizona, because my worse nightmare as a NY Jet fan would be for Peyton to become a “good fit” in Miami. If that were to happen we would all get a good indication of how one player of his caliber changes the face of an entire organization. An organization that just happens to be in our division.

  3. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry to lose those Shipp and Veteri, two great guys. Back to the Manning hunl: “Financially, it would be almost impossible to have Manning and Sanchez, who is counting $14.3 million on the salary cap. The Jets have only about $7 million in cap room but they can create another $9 million by unloading MS, who has two years left on his rookie contract. None of his 2012 salary is guaranteed. The unofficial deadline to make a QB decision is March 28, when MS is due a $2.75 million roster bonus. Manning, who sat out the 2011 season, has been working out and intends to play in 2012. He conducted throwing sessions last week at Duke, where he was observed by former Jets consultant Tom Moore, ESPN reported.” Sounds do-able to me…

  4. By robertpapalia on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    If you are serious about a move toward Manning you have to do it very quickly. Because let me tell you something here. If the Dolphins land Manning along with Brady in the division, it could be Jets fans worse nightmares. Something to really think about.

  5. By GaryC on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    you guys bring back memories about that monday nighter with san diego,I was a temp working the post office and had the night shift and couldn’t watch the game, but who cared knowing the jets were going through another lousy year.J.J. Jones,one of the more forgetablle characters in jet history,along with godwin turk,gordie browne,gary puetz and others to numerous to mention.

  6. By GaryC on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, keep grabbing at that carrot that is dangling there.manning will come in on his white horse and lift all jet curses that surround them.

  7. By GaryC on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    there are so many tears here in Indy I might get washed away to New York.

  8. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I’d prefer Brees but picture this: NE gets Wallace, MIA gets Manning or Flynn and they play great. We stick with “Mark” and he keeps staring down receivers, looking terrified in the face of the rush, and throwing the same game-losing picks, often to DL guys. You prefer that? If you do, you must prefer a complete makeover of the Jets including possibly Woody’s sale of the team because even 6 games of that would be one of the most embarrassing seasons ever. I’d always rather build thru the draft but my sense watching MS on USC was he didn’t throw well enough. I let Rex hype me out of that view, which was based on more yrs following football than he has but not this time. I’d rather try Manning, then McElroy, then a new guy if need be.

  9. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    Myers has a good column in the News about why the Jets MUST go after Manning. But what I like most about it isn’t that aspect but when he says that no one in the league will start Sanchez with the possible exception of Carroll on SEA. It’s ASTOUNDING to me that it took so long for anyone of consequence in the New York press to say this when outside of this site, the majority of NFL players, execs, commentators, and fans aren’t at all sure that MS is a starter. So on the whole, what I like about this whole Manning thing is that no matter what happens, it seems to have blasted some people out of their denial about how iffy “Mark” is as a future great…starting with Spicer? (I said a month ago Mr T must’ve told MS he might not be the guy.)

  10. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    Myers also says in his article that he believes Manning’s biggest priority will be to go to a team that can win soon. Well, despite our problems, out of MIA, AZ, KC, and us, we are unquestionably the closest to winning soon…especially if we get rid of Sanchez, who is one of our biggest problems. By the way, expect Rex to pick up Foxworth now that the Ravens have cut him and make a big deal over it, using him to replace Strickland. Also expect these types of moves to have no consequence and do nothing to take anyone’s minds off the much bigger kinds of moves that we need to make to be competitive this yr.

  11. By Karan on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    I think Peyton would be an excellent fit in Arizona. Think about it, Kurt Warner played his last 3 seasons in the NFL there, Manning realistically has 3 years left. He likes to play indoors and the Arizona stadium is indoors and that team is a QB away from going deep into the playoffs. Also, don’t forget Larry Fitzgerald who would be a perfect fit to Manning. It’s the perfect scenario for him.

  12. By Karan on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    Even though I am a big Sanchez supporter and think Manning should play in Arizona, a little part of me still thinks it would be awesome to have Peyton on the Jets. After all, Peyton is Peyton and the guy is arguably the greatest QB in the history of the NFL, Brady can’t touch him. But then again, the guy is 36, coming of 4 neck surgeries which doesn’t mean he can’t play, he will prove everyone wrong, I’m just saying we can’t give up the many holes we have on this team for just one guy. Manning is great, but I don’t think he’s the perfect fit in NY, even though I will admit having him here would be something special. Still, I can’t deny what Mark has accomplished in his short time here, so personally, I think the kid deserves another chance.

  13. By Karan on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    Correction on Warner: he played there 4 years.

  14. By westcoastJET28 on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    In the words of Marshall Faulk in regards to obtaining Peyton and what to tell Mark Sanchez, “just sit and watch.” ’64 Tom, Scjoe, I too am all in to win. We can not allow Manning to go to Miami. I think that is how we must think about it now. Sanchez can not compete against a Brady and a Manning 2x a year and expect to win. That’s the bottom line. Period.

  15. By Jimmer on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    Brick should not be going to Hollywood. Bo is the one that should be going. His lockout videos on youtube is what kept me going last summer.They were pretty well done as well.
    As for the departed. Amazing how great football minds can go so far under the radar, that many fans have never heard their names.

  16. By wayne on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry to hear of Mr. Veteri and Mr. Shipp’s passing….Wow, time flies…..RIP…………………Those tears will not be bringing a certain someone anywhere near NY/NJ……..They might help him however, to further drive up his asking price……………………Sadly that white horse will come up lame……………………………They’re going down with Spicer’s guy…..

  17. By wayne on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    TSpicer, I understand you may be a bit confused, being you spent so much time throw UP inane numbers in defending GQ, so it’s quite understandable your mistake…..But you see not only did I suggest Richradson much before scjoe or anyone else, I also at that time also indicated that I had hoped that because the league had devalued RBs that it was likely a one good would drop…..Maybe Jamie Dukes read my comments and stole idea……..WHERE;S MY CUT!!!!!. IF I’M COMING UP THE IDEAS, SHOULDN’T THERE BE A LITTLE SOMETHIN SOMETHIN’ COMIN’ MY WAY?

  18. By wayne on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply


  19. By Jimmer on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    So many stories about Peyton coming here,,,, I feel sick. MS needs a serious challenge, not a flat out benching. Sanchez’s numbers truly have gotten better as his protection got worse. I personally see that as improvement. Bring back Braylon Edwards who is on the same wavelength as MS, fix the OL, and MS will look much better.
    People were on here calling for Shotty’s head for a few yrs. Hooked you all up. We’re now gonna run a system similar to the Vinny/Parcells/Ehrhardt era. The O was cranked back then. It now comes down to players executing. If a ball hits SH in the facemask, it’s not a system. It’s a player not caring about the outcome of a game. A QB can only do so much. I never saw Chrebet take a ball in the facemask, did you?

  20. By GaryC on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    Six hours of wall to wall coverage in indy on peyton leaving, interviewing patrons at the sports bar, the ex mayor, even a call to charlie sanders the ex lion tightend,With the love of peyton, by jet fan tom and scjoe,they would love this,THE PRINCE WILL NEVER BE A PAUPER,people should be deciding who they are voting for in next election instead of wasting so much time on more Manning Publicity.they took off JUDGE JOE BROWN FOR THIS.

  21. By GaryC on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    Last year our year was ruined chasing nnamdi,now one year later could history repeat itself again,running after unrequited love and letting all other free agents pass under our nose.

  22. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    No, GaryC, last yr our yr was ruined by a mediocre QB, injuries to the OL, the failure to get a backup C, the failure to get new S’s, too much faith put in a RB who was over the hill…should I go on? But you gotta start somewhere and a new QB wouldn’t be a bad place to start. Besides, we’ll almost certainly have a new QB before Election Day. Jimmer, nothing against Chrebet but I never saw him win a SB with maybe the greatest catch by a WR in the history of the game, so lighten up on Holmes, huh? Some of you guys who keep trashing him better consider what you’re gonna say if we do get Peyton or Brees or anyone who throws better than MS in here and SH’s avg goes back up to 17 or so. Love the Faulk quote but MS can watch from SEA, westcoast.

  23. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    And can we please stop this nonsense about “We can’t sign Manning because we signed Sparano for OC and he’s a running coach”? — PLEASE, you sign PLAYERS and worry about COACHES LATER! Should we maybe not sign Manning or ANYBODY who can throw because Rex is a “ground and pound” coach who’s living in the 1940s and has no idea how important passing is in the NFL today or how to get results with it? If Manning said he wanted to come to the Jets as a PLAYER-HEAD COACH, I’d be perfectly fine with it! Jeez, sometimes I think it’s the Jets’ karma to lose forever because so many of their fans and the New York sportswriters have gotten so used to them losing that they can’t even imagine winning!

  24. By GaryC on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, how many times did manning spit the bit his first 10 years in indy and always losing to florida when he was at Tennessee,losing to the jets 41-0,losing to the steelers,titans,patriots,one super bowl win in 14 years and that was because grossman was colts most valuable player in super bowl.

  25. By Another Tom on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    If Peyton goes to Miami We better PERFECT the ground and pound ..We better be able to control the clock.. eating it up and keeping our Def off the field..

  26. By scjoe on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    Well, it looks as though all of the experts have Peyton headed for South Beach. When you think about it you can understand why. Warm weather site, good o line and run game, very good defense, a couple of good receivers and a very good TE, a house in South Beach waiting for him, good friends with Mr Dolphin Dan Marino, no state income tax. and one elite QB away from making a run at it. BUT, it aint over till the fat lady sings.

  27. By scjoe on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    64, I do believe Myers nailed it! With all due respect to all of the Sanchez supporters out there in Jet land, what you have seen over the past three seasons is what you get! A new OC will not make a difference, competition will not make a difference, although, if done sincerely it may just cost him his job.So, be careful what you wish for when you say you don’t want to bring Peyton to ny. He is without a doubt THEE best option the Jets could ever hope for, and if it means releasing MS for cap purposes you do it and worry about the consequences after the 2012 SB Peyton brings us.

  28. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    So LT sorta/kinda says he wants Manning on the Jets or that it’s hard not to want Manning on the Jets or whatever. This is very reminiscent of his casual, aw shucks way of saying at the end of the yr that, to be honest, Sanchez stunk up the joint and has been coddled. I’m not too sure about all this talk of LT as a leader and I must say that these kinds of statements by him have made it much easier for me to understand the “Don’t go away mad, just go away” attitude that Rivers and other Chargers let slip when LT left SD. Anyway, as skeptical as I am of MS’s potential, if LT thinks he can talk his way back onto the team with this kind of stuff, he’s way off — I’m even more against bringing him back than I’m against sticking with “Mark.”

  29. By DKM on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    R.I.P Mr. Veteri and MR. Shipp.

  30. By DKM on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    westcoast28 lets just screw up the CAP for this year and next ……. what the heck……. and when it doesnt work out for the next 2 seasons im glad listening to you how could this happen…… we cant sign anybody……. but than again with Sanchez or Manning either way if it doesnt work it wouldnt really matter.

    At this point if Manning comes here and falls short of winning the SB (wich nobody even is considering who is lobbying for him on this site) you are also the ones who will not admit it was a mistake to bring him here. Cause none of you has even thought about it you just think he comes here and brings automaticly a SB with him.

  31. By DKM on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    Here is something to think about it, the only reason you want Manning here is cause of his past Trackrecord not that he had 4 surgerys to repair his neck and the ability to throw again cause would that be any other player everybody here would scream that you would be out of your mind given a guy with such medical record a chance to play another down.
    And also no one can tell me that you guys will wait 3 or 4 years for a SB, here is reality check if he doesnt do it next year or there after you dont even want him here and be screaming to draft one or give his Backup, whoever he is, a chance.

  32. By Harvard prof on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    Firstly, My hearts go out to the families of the departed. Having said that… The Jets Must get rid of Sanchez REGARDLESS of Peyton becuause of his Huge contract. He is due 14 million dollars next year and at least 8 million gaurenteed. The Jets can cut Sanchez and get a cheap backup for peyton like Vince Young… who is a Great game manager if he does not throw too often and he is a 1 million dollar guy… The Jets pay Peyton 20 mill vs 14 million for Sanchez. They get a QB that can actuallly attract WRs to play for the Jets instead of scaring them off. The Patriots are geared to get massive weapons. The NFC is to DIFFICULT and has too many pass rushers. The real threat is that Peyton goes to the Dolphins. If that happens, its all over!

  33. By DKM on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    That being said, my question is how long does Manning have before Jets Fans wanna run him out of Town for not winning or him running his Mouth to the owner the Team needs better Players or that Coach is not good….etc.
    Now you start new again and than the excuse will be again well we need another 3-5 years to be competative.

    JFS64, Bennett,Wayne,GaryC and so on you cant tell me not winning the SB next year with Manning at the Helm is good enough cause anything short of it would be mediocre other wise you guys talking out both sides of your Mouth. You could ve gotten that from MS cause hes done it before or any QB for that matter without you destroying the Future of this Team.

  34. By DKM on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    conti…….. thats essentially is what you doing here toying with the future of this Team. The Cap will be screwed for many years to come. Cause one think you can take to bed If Manning doesnt work out HE WILL NOT TALK TO YOU ABOUT CAP RESTRUCTERING OR GIVING MONEY BACK cause you feel he wasnt playing up to your standard or brought a SB, like some people here think they can do with other Players.
    That better works otherwise carefull what you wish for, or we will be sitting here in 3 years reading about what bad idea the whole Manning Affair was, and how much we have suffer as Jets Fans, but than again some of you seem to enjoy that.

  35. By DKM on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    I still believe with smart moves and a good Draft we could be a contender again next year and with the same approach the following year and a little luck make it to the SB there after. But then again it requires a smart FO and that has been a little suspect to me lately.

  36. By DKM on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    That being said im not saying with Manning here we wouldnt be able to do it, but who is to say we couldnt do the same thing with Mark and a much more improved team. Im just trying to provoke a thought here wich could go either way.

  37. By DKM on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    And whoever had the whole thought about the CHALLENGERS the HEMI is also the one you want walk away.

  38. By Buddy on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    lets give mark one more chance and do the pound and ground and we still dont win get rid of him and get his successor at USC and go from #6 to #7(who had 4 yrs under center not 16 games).

  39. By IRA on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry to read the sad news. Condolences to both families.

  40. By GaryC on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Listen to the guys on Espn,they are saying what I said about Peyte Pooh not wanting to play in a cold weather site,and what his record is in December and such.Sorry to all you dreamers out there and who are shaking in their boots that a 36 year old qb with a bad neck might go to your division rival,I guess we now can go back and hate the dolphins again like we do brady and the patriots,time for the jets to man up, pardon the pun and go get your own players and you wouldn’t have to worry about past their prime quarterbacks.

  41. By Tom Spicer on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne, If you say you said it first I believe you SORRY OK! I just remember it coming from SCJoe. Also I still think Mark is good & will get better but the bottom line is this IF you can get Peyton you do it PERIOD!

  42. By Tom Spicer on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets need to do ANYTHING & EVERYTHING possible to get Peyton. Get this done if you get Peyton it fills multiple holes. Peyton makes your running game better, he makes your WRS better & he makes your D better. GET THIS DONE MR.T WHATEVER IT TAKES!

  43. By Frank on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer I agree whole heartedly.

  44. By GaryC on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    ricky proehl caught a touchdown pass in a super bowl too,does that make him great,Holmes, Plastico,guys who caught touchdowns in the super bowl,didn’t help the jets much,fans who live off what players have done in the past usually wait a long time for lightning to strike twice,right jet fan tom.Broadway Joe never won a second super bowl either, even with greater receivers than what sanchez has now.

  45. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC and DKM, I just think if we’re gonna spend $14 mil on a QB next yr, it oughta be Manning not Sanchez. And since Mr T and Rex seem to think we’re “built to win now,” they should stop dreaming about winning now with MS, who often looks like the last guy anybody will win with EVER. As for running down Manning’s career as an argument for sticking with MS, that’s simply not worth discussing. What Manning’s “one SB” proves is how hard it is to win even one, not how comparable MS is with him. 2 yrs of Manning with McElroy watching, then try Mc, then draft a QB if Mc doesn’t work out sounds a lot better than endless hype for this mediocrity named “Mark.”

  46. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, you’re reaching like toothbrush, Holmes’ and Plax’s contributions to PIT and the Giants were enormous and it’s no coincidence that their contributions to the Jets haven’t been consistently enormous when they’ve both had to suffer the same mediocre QB. It’s one crazy world when you start dumping on SH and Plax for not winning a 2nd or 3rd QB when Sanchez can’t even stop making rookie mistakes. Spicer, it’s funny to see you saying all the stuff about elite QBs — how they improve the running game, the D, etc. — that we were all saying last fall about why an elite QB was needed on the Jets. Oh well, better late than never…

  47. By Chicago Bob on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Say we do get Manning………OK, where are the two safeties coming from, where is the ROLB that we need so desperately to rush the QB coming from (don’t tell me it is Maybin who hasn’t even played a full season), where is the ILB playing next to Harris coming from, where is the RDE (please don’t tell me Devito or Pitouitua) coming from, where is the ORT coming from, where is the other WR coming from? They won’t be coming from free agency after the smoke clears from the money Manning gets. And please don’t tell me we are going to catch lightning in a bottle and have 2 or 3 draft picks step in and start immediately. Fact is, we still have way too many holes even if we did get Manning, still can’t do the most important thing – SACK BRADY.

  48. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    I’m starting to wonder if I’ve really missed the story here. Why would Sanchez avoid the media if Woody, Mr T, and Rex REALLY told him he’s the starter? Why would Holmes not even bother to answer MS’s tweet if Woody, Mr T, and Rex REALLY told him MS is the starter? I think this “Mark’s the starter” jive may in fact be a smokescreen for a scenario whereby Mr T and Rex pretend to “have faith in Mark” while engineering to get him on the bench or out of town, knowing that even guys like Orton and Campbell are likely to beat him out for the job by mid-season…which might be as long as Rex has to get results…

  49. By Frank on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    The idea that TanWoody need to make a quite pursuit of Manning as to not upset Sanchize-Not is astounding. Clearly based on everything that has been said about Sanchize-Not he clearly does not have the mental make-up to be a leader and an elite QB. LT used the words “he needs to grow up”. Between “hotdog gate” and getting caught on camera picking his nose and trying to wipe it on Brunell he clearly doesn’t get it. The constant coddling and babying of this guy is unreal. I have never heard of this before…ever! LT’s comments that Sanhcize-Not “led us to 2 AFC Championship games” is dilusional at best. We WON INSPITE OF HIM! He has played well in spurts but for 3 years he is ranked at the bottom of the pile…that is what he is PERIOD.

  50. By Frank on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    TanWoody is on a plane to South Carolina for Clemsons pro day….gee thats funny he never goes to any pro days. You can bet your Grandmothers apple pie he is on his way to Miami to meet Manning. We need to make this happen! Manning is the only way to fix all that is broken with this team starting with the team chemistry. Getting Manning and having a good draft and this team is a SB contender. IF nothing else we can not let him go to the Dolphins if he does between the Phins and the Pats and unless we somehow finagle Brees we are done for the next three years.

  51. By russ on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    If you dont know anything about football shilling to have Manning as your quarterback will make sense…But if you know that age and experience and TYPE of offense are not in synch your choise is foolhardy…An indoor quarterback vs an outdoor quarteback have much diff stats…Drw Brees was mediocre at San Diego out doors and is a passing genius indoors…perhaps ye of little faith would stick with a plan and build a solid team before runinng helter skelter and claiming the sky is falling because your quarterback and the personnel around him did not have a “good” year..Blame the front office, they chose poorly in DL OL and other key areas.

  52. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Another thing you’re not taking sufficiently into account, GaryC, and this goes for some of you other guys too: It seems clear to me, no matter how much or how foolishly Rex tried to hide it, that Sanchez has “lost the locker room.” Once that happens, you gotta do something just to get the team back out on the field in the right spirit again. I notice that about 90% of the tweets on this site from players are robotic claims of “We believe in Mark as our QB,” as if they’re just waiting for the day they don’t have to say this. I predicted this months ago when I said that no really good WRs will want to play for us if we keep making excuses for Sanchez, but those of you in deeper denial laughed, whereas Spicer seems to have seen the light.

  53. By westcoastJET28 on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    You know what DKM, I guess you just got use to losing. I don’t understand why you dont get, how most of us here want to win now and not have wait another 40 years to win a SB. You keep talking about the future, the future, but, isn’t the future now? Since 1968, we have been living in the future and have been failing to win, waiting to win. Sure we had 2 good seasons recently but, that only built up hope. I want to taste that again. I don’t want to wait to be successful again. As a Jets fan, that’s all I seem to have been doing, is waiting. 40 years, I can’t and don’t want to wait another 40 . I want the Jets to become a winning franchise through out, not a laughing stock. What do you think will happen if Peyton goes to Miami? We’re screwed man, Sanchez can’t compete against two elite QB 4x a year and expect to win the conf., let alone make the playoffs. Think about it.

  54. By scjoe on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, re: Peyton, there are no guarantees in the NFL for winning championships, heck, there are no guarantees in life! That said, you have to go by the percentages. The percentages say that you have a much better chance of getting a championship with who many believe is one of the greatest QBs of all time, then you do with one who is still developing and one who has so many questions surrounding him. I have been a Jet fan since day 1. Sure, I worry about the future of the franchise, but I worry more about present day. I think the Jets chances of winning it all with Peyton are much better then what they are without him.

  55. By IRA on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    I just can’t believe how many fans are down on Sanchez. How about the D getting some of the blame for last year too. In matter of fact since Sanchez has been here the D has blown more games than Sanchez has caused them to lose.

  56. By scjoe on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    westcoast28, thanks for the clarification. I understand what your point is, and I too want to win now! The problem is, like you said, we as fans shouldn’t care about the $ side of the equation. But guess what? Woody Johnson, Mike Tannenbaum and the Jets FO do! They will think twice when it comes down to winning now as opposed to chaos financially down the road. Either way, they will make money, but the business being what it is they will go in the direction that will make them the most money, not necessarily the one that gives them the best chance to win. Unfortunate, but in my mind at least, true.

  57. By robertpapalia on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Guess what? If Peyton has a real problem with cold weather then maybe Peyton is not for the Jets. Just because Eli can play in cold weather doesn`t mean Peyton can do the same. If that`s the case and Peyton refuses to come to New York well so be it. Better the devil you know than the one you don`t. Either way I hope and pray the Jets make the right decesion. Another miscalculation by this team would really set this team back. And any thoughts of a Super Bowl will really be a pipe dream for the rest of my life as well as for many other Jets fans..

  58. By DKM on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe interesting take yesterday on MTC, PT also dosent think that the jets make a run at payton, and that they gonna drop out very soon, and also him and T Rock havent given up on Sanchez yet. And even if they would go after him both agreed that the jets wouldnt be able to do anything else.

  59. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Funniest Headline in Jets History (on ESPN, just now): “Should Jets Consider Sanchez’s Psyche?” Answer from me: NO! As most of the tweets in response said, this is NYC, this is the NFL, “this is the modern world,” as the Jam once sang. If Sanchez’s psyche is too fragile to handle the team’s attempts to iimprove, he can go the way of Cutler and demand a trade over it. Other tweets also pointed out that he coulda kept this from happening by way of his play last yr or, if still the starter this yr, keep it from happening again when he takes the field this fall. And as my favorite tweet said, if the Jets going after Manning doesn’t motivate him to get better fast, nuthin’ will!

  60. By tony on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Enough already with Peyton this and Peyton that.
    It’s not gonna happen so save your breath and think about something more realistic like FA and the Draft.
    MS with a good CORE of FAs and Draft picks added to this team will be fine.
    If Peyton doesn’t pan-out the Jets are set back 10 years easy.
    Peyton is a class act but the Jets, long term, would be better off with MS, key FAs and good Draft picks. Besides, why is Tony Sparano here? To ground and Pound which is not Peyton’s MO.

  61. By Kevin65Fan on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Alright Mr. Sanchize….time to man up….Eli just restructured his contract to get more cap space for giants. Come on Marky Mark…restructure….so we don’t get hit so hard when we release you…LOLOL. Peyton not coming to NY…forget the dreams everyone. Lets not waste time like last year with Aso-whatever. sanchize…cut your contract…restructure…sign Mario Williams…get some safeties. Lets be smart FO and Mr. T. MacElroy will be your new QB anyway comes September.

  62. By wayne on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Primary reason Peyton WILL NOT come to Jets: His brain…..Way too big for this organization…….This is the team that put Brett Favre on the sideline when defenses spent 20yr!!!! trying to put him there and couldn’t…..Broke Chad’s wing twice, beat the stuffing out of Clemens and got GQ beaten like he stole something last year…….Yeah, Peyton wants some a that……..They got too little cap space, another thing I’ve been talking bout since before last season started, now confirmed more than once, and too many needs to fill…..Yeah, they called him first, NO EARLY BIRD DISCOUNTS HERE…..Yeah, this is gonna do wonders for GQ…..I can just hear Spicer with his abacus churning out new numbers for GQ.

  63. By Karan on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Sheeesh, I’m so sick of the Sanchez haters. Chill out guys.

  64. By fred on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    I just cannot believe how many fans on this site have kicked Sanchez to the curb I am still behind him

  65. By scjoe on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    I swear, I don’t believe what I am hearing from some on this site who call themselves Jet fans. In the words of one of the great actors of our time, Denzel Washington, from the movie Philadelphia, “explain to me like I am a six year old” what the downside is to signing Peyton to be this teams starting QB! We have a starting QB on the roster right now who will earn in excess of 14mil for 2012. Can Peyton demand that much more? Compare the two. C’mon people, is it strictly a money thing? Is it the injury? What? Bottom line, there IS no downside, PERIOD

  66. By Another Tom on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Get Peyton.. and Focus entirely on the fixing the OL/ pass protection this year = playoffs for sure..

  67. By scjoe on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Great point Kevin65 re: Eli. IF, Sanchez turns out to be the starting QB for 2012 there absolutely has to be a “wage adjustment” involved. And I mean a drastic one. This is a bottom line business, the bottom line is winning. Mark Sanchez is not a winner and his salary should at least somewhat reflect that. Fourteen million dollars to me should be reserved for those among the top in their profession. If Eli, who happens to be this years SB winning MVP can help out, certainly Mark Sanchez should too.

  68. By scjoe on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, Honestly? You can’t believe how many fans are down on Sanchez? Somehow that statement amazes me. Sure, their have been other factors involved in the Jets “collapse” if that is even the correct term to use. But he IS the QB of this team. He IS the one who got all of the credit from many Jet fans for “leading us to two conference championships” so why shouldn’t he take the brunt of the criticism after having a year like he did this past season. He didn’t exactly carry the team on his back when they were faltering down the stretch. But judging by his salary, you would, and you should expect him to.

  69. By Tom Spicer on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, Holmes tweeted Mark 1st during the playoffs about how they should be there & they have been talking since than. Mark tweeted him that as a joke & he didnt tweet back it has nothing to do with him not talking to him or anything like that. Stick to the facts at hand Peyton is a major upgrade it has nothing to do with Mark & EVERYTHING to do with how good Peyton IS!

  70. By Tom Spicer on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, You are totally changing things around you need to rewind yourself I never said a Elite QB does not help a team in other areas. We were talking about guys on this site saying you can not win a Super Bowl without a Elite QB. What are you talking about?

  71. By wetscoastJET28 on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Touche, Scjoe.

  72. By Tom Spicer on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, You are delirious calm down your arguments are terrible just tell it like it is Peyton is the best QB ever to play the game & we would be foollish not to do ANYTHING & EVERYTHING to get him. Instead of taking shots at Mark with half of your posts being FALSE just talk about the benefits of getting Peyton. Oh yea I forgot it has been 2 1/2 months since you have had 1 post that does not rip Mark or Rex. Not 1 post about who we should get in free agency, who we should draft, or other guys who have done poorly LIKE the O line, RB, WR, NO pass rush & poor saftey play. Talk about what Peyton can do for us not National Inquerer stuff about Mark half of which is made up!

  73. By ROY23 on Mar 8, 2012 | Reply

    agree with GARY.C. our brass got tunnel-vision last yr. chasing a C.B we didn’t need in the first place. and losing some good players in the process. like J.CO. B.E. B.S. and others that played apart the yr. before. missed out on some good players from the D. like C. JENKINS, J.BABIN,R.EDWARDS. and others. just a few that could have made a difference. our front office needs to remember that this & not repeat it. free agency has every pos. we need except a big S. that being said i think we should try and draft ALA. R.B IN THE FIRST ROUND… we can fill our holes in F.A AS LONG AS WE DO NOT GET TUNNEL—-VISION AGAIN…

  74. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, considering how little this franchise has accomplished in 40+ yrs, where do you get those rose-colored glasses? Yeah, the D “blew” games in which Sanchez couldn’t put more than 6, 10, 13 pts on the board! And after 3 yrs of that, D players stopping loving Rex, not surprisingly. All you guys who are talking about Peyton in cold weather, Sparano’s O philosophy (like that amounts to a hill of beans next to Peyton’s skills!), other needs, etc. really don’t get it — Mr T and Rex are looking at MS and Henne fighting it out to start while NE and the Giants — and their elite QBs — are likely to make the SB a few more times the next few yrs. Frank, you got it right, from TanWoody’s Southern trip to Brees and everything else you said.

  75. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    As for DKM and you other guys who think “the Jets wouldn’t be able to do anything else” if they paid for Peyton: Do you SERIOUSLY think Mr T is going after the guy but NOT figuring out where he’s gonna find the money, for him and everything else? Are you REALLY unable to imagine how fast we’d cut as many overpaid mediocrities as we can if there was even the slightest chance to get a healthy Peyton Manning? And Wayne has already said he’d like to go where Peyton goes — which means he’d take less $ to do so — so that would give you him, Holmes, and Kerley at WR, Turner backing up, and thus no need to draft a WR high if at all. And I got just 2 words for anyone who values a coach’s scheme more than a player’s talent: Jonathan Vilma.

  76. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    russ, don’t talk about anybody on this site not knowing anything about football as long as you’re saying the Jets wouldn’t kiss the ground to have Peyton’s TYPE of O for even 1 game or that Brees was “mediocre” on SD. As far as “setting the team back,” robertp, I haven’t seen this team as “set back” as it was in the BAL game since we had Dick Wood at QB. More than about half a season with the same Sanchez is what will set us back, not dumping him now, trying Peyton for a yr or 2, and starting all over with A GOOD-SIZED QB WHO CAN READ D’S AND THROW! Tony, what FA’s do you think the Sanchez-led Jets are gonna attract? 20-yds/p catch Wallace? 6′ 5″ Jackson? Mario Williams, so Rex can yell at him for allowing a whopping 10 pts to the Fish?

  77. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Spice, you’ll love this from Cimini: “The Jets are shopping RT Wayne Hunter, according to the NY Daily News. This comes 1 week after GM Mike Tannenbaum said he expects Hunter to remain their starting right tackle. Hunter’s 2012 salary, $2.45 million, is guaranteed, so it won’t be easy to find a taker. The Jets would look foolish if they cut him because they missed a chance last month to release him before the salary became guaranteed.” So we’re already looking to unload those overpaid mediocrities that I just mentioned to pay for Peyton. And if we’re shopping Hunter, we’re looking for another RT. This also proves once and for all that when Mr T says “We expect…” about someone, you gotta add “…unless we decide to do something else.”

  78. By IRA on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Come Tuesday i would be much happier once Pouha is locked up and they sign a few free agents than if Peyton signed with the Jets. The 25 mill per can land the Jets 4 new players which would make them a better all around team.
    GO JETS!!!!

  79. By IRA on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    This time next week give me Carey, Henne, maybe J. Johnson or McClain and a safety and this team is better right away. More and more i think its Upshaw [he won’t be there at 16] or an OL in the first rd for sure.

  80. By GaryC on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    the jets are built to win now,that isn’t what I saw during the year,no pass rush, troubling covering receivers,no run game.Seems to me, we need more than a past his prime quarterback with neck problems,but that’s what free agency will do to fans,especially some who believe it is always one quarterback away from a super bowl,some who say Sanchez has lost the locker room,not mentioning some of the real malcontents who we brought in who think only about themselves and how many receptions they need per game.

  81. By GaryC on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, it amazes me how you praise a past jet quarterback,we don’t need to name names about his arm strength and his ability to read defenses,yet through so many more interceptions than tds.what would the numbers be if he couldn’t read defenses.

  82. By Tom Spicer on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    The New York Daily News reports the Jets have been exploring the trade market for RT Wayne Hunter. The Jets were involved in discussions with at least one NFC, but failed to agree on terms. Although there is reportedly belief in the organization that Hunter could improve under the helpful arm of new coordinator Tony Sparano, shopping him around the league speaks volumes. Hunter was a major liability in pass protection last season.

  83. By Tom Spicer on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    This is why the Jets front office is bad they are now shopping Wayne Hunter HELLO anyone who watched the Jets games knows he STNIKS SO NO ONE WILL TRADE FOR HIM & if they do we will get a 7th round pick. A few weeks ago they could have cut him & saved 2 or 3 MIL to spend on free agents & it would have counted as $0 vs the cap. Now he is guarenteed $2.5 MIL for this year, no one will take him off of our hands & he will be unhappy just like Bart Scott cause they know we tried to trade them. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CUT WEEKS AGO & WE WOULD HAVE HAD MORE MONEY FOR FREE AGENCY!

  84. By Frank on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Ira the only problem with your wish list for next week is we will still have Sanchize-Not as QB. The team is fractured over this guy Rex and the regime blew it big time jamming him down everyones throat particularily the team. There is no way this team will thrive with him at QB unless real competition is brought in and he has to compete for his job. Additionally we do not have the money to go after the guys you mentioned unless we get a salary dump on Sanchize-Not or restructure his contract which the regime should absolutely not do in case he flops again. Rumor is they are trying to trade Hunter how idiotic no one will trade for him with a guaranteed contract of 2.75 MIl if this was the plan they should not have picked up his option!

  85. By Frank on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    By the way Ira I really don’t want to dump on you but seriously you gotta be kidding about Sanhcize-Not. Our D has been ranked no lower than 5th thats right 2009 #1 D, 2010 #3 D and 2011 #5 D. WHEN IN THE HISTORY OF THIS TEAM HAVE THEY EVER HAD A RUN LIKE THAT?????
    Sanchize-Not has been consistantly ranked at the bottom of the QB pile during that time. DId the D lose some games yes…did Sanchize-Not lose a bunch of games especially his first year and this past year. H was atrocious down the stretch culminating in 2 int’s to the Phins LINEMAN for godsakes. HE is a lousy QB and everyone but you and a few other see it!!!!!!!!!!! Between his lousy play and the regime giving him special treatment the team is angry and now fractured as a result.

  86. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, please don’t lower the level of discourse by reducing everything to “haters” vs. “non-haters.” That may work for craven politicians and ignorant voters but it doesn’t wash with the informed football fans who post here. Spicer, I don’t sweat the small stuff, who we draft, whether McKnight, Turner, Maybin will ever start is all penny-ante nonsense compared to who we have at QB. But I shoulda known you’d leave yourself wiggle room with this “Sanchez is still great but we need Peyton” pretzel logic. GaryC, yesterday you tried to trash Peyton on behalf of Sanchez, today it’s trashing Namath on behalf of him. Such insanity simply isn’t worth commenting on. And you watch how many “malcontented” WRs come near the Jets as long as MS is at QB.

  87. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I don’t question your right to live in an unrealistic, depressed, I’ve-got-plenty-of-nothin’ Jet fan mentality, though I can’t imagine why after all these yrs you’d want to. But you don’t seem to realize it’s not about re-signing an aging, mediocre DL guy or getting “4 new players” to be “a better all-around team.” This franchise has rarely been more of a joke and it’s at a time when its two chief rivals are poised to battle for and win the SB for the next 5 yrs. Woody, Mr T, and Rex would have to be as masochistic as some on this site to deny that reality. I’m the one who always says we should build thru the draft like DAL, PIT, NE, GB, etc, which GaryC says the Jets will never do. But when you don’t do that, you get what we have now.

  88. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    And by the way, Spicer, I know when you start foaming at the mouth you forget how to read, or at least read anything but stats. But I was one of the 1st if not the 1st on this site to say: The OL wasn’t protecting Sanchez that well in 2010; we needed 2 new guys at S and Leonhard wasn’t starting caliber; we have slow, aging LBs including Scott, whom I identified as early as 2009 to be more about talk than action; we shoulda given WRs like Clowney and Allison more of a chance; we needed a vet backup C in 2011; and many other things that, while all important, simply pale against the spectacle of having a mediocre, non-leader QB and a HC with an O mindset straight outta 1940 at a time when the NFL is about aggressive passing and high scoring.

  89. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    You also shouldn’t resort to outright lying, Spicer, which is the domain of the truly desperate. No one, not even Rex, has confirmed that Sanchez and Holmes have spoken two words to each other since the end of the season. Anyone with the slightest intuition has to conclude that Holmes told the Jets during the yr that Sanchez ain’t the guy, which Plax left the team over but Holmes didn’t wanna do re his contract; Woody and Mr T told MS after the season “You may not be the guy, we’re going after Manning or somebody else”, which is why MS ain’t talkin'; and Holmes is sitting back and waiting to see who the QB is before saying anything more. And Chad Henne, Ira, isn’t exactly what Holmes, Wallace, Jackson or any other great WRs have in mind.

  90. By Karan on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Ya sound ignorant, scjoe

  91. By robertpapalia on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    That article in the Daily News that the Jets are shopping Wayne Hunter proves only one thing. Tannenbaum does not know what he is doing. How you can give a player 2.45 million and then look to trade him is beyond me. Now my confidence in what this guy is doing is completely gone. Woody, Rex might not be the problem but Tannenbaum sure is. This can only get worse.

  92. By scjoe on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Well, the report that the Jets FO is looking to trade (ha,ha) Wayne Hunter explains things. problem is, what in the name of everything holy do they expect to get for him? The smarter thing would have been not to give him that bonus roster and say bye bye, Judging from his play last season any undrafted rookie FA who played RT at the college level would be an upgrade.

  93. By scjoe on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, at some point you have to take the blinders off. See the forest through the trees.

  94. By Karan on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Jet fan 64, MS doesn’t hire those “malcontended” WRs, the front office does. You sound like a Giants fan from 2007 the way you complain about MS. Anyways, on the topic of free agency, the Jets really need to get Braylon and perhaps Vernon Carey by next week. In the draft, I would definitely take Mark Barron because the other safeties have been franchised. It would be more difficult now to strike a deal. If the rumors I’ve heard about Ronnie Brown being an interest for the Jets, then thats a really good interest. It would be good to have him on board. I wouldn’t mind having LT back, but there is no way that is happening. lot of us including me want Lowery back, but I don’t think that will happen.There are too many needs on this team, sigh…

  95. By Karan on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, its not MS’s fault that this team is fractured as you put it. He doesn’t have the necessary pieces around him as he did the first two years. I don’t understand some of you, just one bad year and you act like its the end of the world and put everything on the QBs shoulders. I’m not saying he’s not at fault, he needs to improve, but he’s not the primary reason. The guy’s WRs have changed 3 times in 3 years. The playcalling was atrocious and you know that. We had a prima donna WR in Holmes who complained all season, mainly because of the playcalling. The D was pretty bad last season. Rex talks too much and paid the price. The WHOLE TEAM was at FAULT for that horrible season, the WHOLE TEAM.

  96. By russ on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    How many AFC champopnship games did Manning go to in his first three year? Simple minded like to pretend stats that make you an automatic when you move to another team…You win by staying consistent in your approach not running around playing fantasy league football with real players…it dont work….And many are correct Tannenbaum is a wheeler dealer and am not really impressed with his total approach to drafting and getting 1 player for tqo picks every year…

  97. By scjoe on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t know where Adam Schefter of ESPN get his information from, but often times he is accurate with it. In listening to him just a little while ago speaking on the Peyton to Miami chances he states that Miami’s chances of acquiring Peyton are dwindling, possibly for the same various reasons they were turned down by Fisher and Harbaugh. Well, that to me was the second best bit of news I could have heard, with the first being, “Peyton Manning and the NY Jets have agreed in principle on a three year incentive laced deal” Hopefully that one will come soon.

  98. By GaryC on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, who says I am the one who does not want to build through the draft,you need to read some of my old posts,you are the one whenever a free agent quarterback is out on the market it is an elixir for greatness,remember Favre,how soon we forget,remember me saying that the jets continue to move up slots in a round like selecting shonn greene and giving up draft picks.You are the one who doesn’t mind bringing in guys from other teams because they caught touchdowns in Super bowls thinking lightning is going to strike twice with the jets,and to say I am knocking Namath vis a vis Sanchez is ludicrous,but Sauer and Maynard,Riggins,Caster,Barkum are pretty good offensive weapons to have that Sanchez hasn’t had.

  99. By IRA on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, Thats cool i understand those D stats but sometimes they are misleading. Big time D’s don’t blow games like this year Den, Oak, 09 @Mia, Jacks, Atl, the second half of the Indy game [i give them a pass because Strickland got hurt] and the 010 Pitt game. And how many other games over three years when they needed a big time stop they didn’t get it. I get it the offense hasn’t helped out a lot but the Ravens for years have been offensively challenged and they still would find ways to win. I think the Jets D has been excellent at times the past three years but not big time yet. Let them get a pass rusher and a cover safety and then we will be talking.
    GO JETS!!!!!

  100. By Bennett on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    WE can’t worry about Peyton going to the Dolphins. It makes a lot of sense and would be a great fit for both. We have to have the mindset, the talent, fortitude, balance and the guts to say we are going down to give a licking to the Fish no matter who the QB is and then we are going up and chase down Brady and give the Pats a beating. This is what Football is all about I would love to see the competition maybe it will make T-baum will get in gear and give us a team we are all proud of

  101. By Bennett on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Just read were T-baum is trying to trade Hunter now. Just curious.. .. DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE TO ANYONE HERE?? The article also went over Hunters stats and man they are baaad I mean Baaaaad!!…. this dude can not play.. I repeat CAN NOT PLAY and they signed him for 4years ??? What in the heck is going on with this franchise!!!

  102. By Bennett on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Good ole Sanchez down the stretch in the last 3 must win games had 5 TD’s… sounds OK but if you look a little deeper into the “garbage stats ” ( as Spicer refers to any stat that does not prove his point ) He threw 7 interceptions, lost 2 fumbles, and was sacked 11 times. I know… I know… the sacks were all the O lines fault. and so were the other 42 regular seasons sacks. And the fumbles were also do to lack of protection. So far that O line has made him fumble 29 times for a loss of 609 yards in his regular season career.In fact the O line was so bad in one game that he is tied for 2nd ( all time ) for fumbles in one game with 4 ( Fish 12/2/10 ) Footnote : Henne has lost 2 fumbles in his entire career, just for comparison purposes

  103. By Bennett on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    CORRECTION SANCHEZ LOST 609 YARDS on his 42 regular season sacks.. my bad

  104. By IRA on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Every Jets fan in the world should hope Peyton signs in Denver tonight or Houston gets involved. They need to keep him out of Miami.

  105. By wayne on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Just read an article on Espn by Ian O’connor, blows me away how close his take is to mine….Comment about Management looking like guessers and grab baggers is much on point as well….Just as they didn’t see the fallout from chasing Asomugha, they once again can’t see past the nose on their faces, as it relates to QB they are to be grooming…..I have never being able to see this kid as anything but 2nd coming of Leinart from day one, but I have shown more commitment to GQ than the men who gave away picks to get him….They are so clueless that they’ve resorted to simply poaching rather than growing……O’connor even had a little Spicerism in his piece, comparing GQ to Eli…..Drop the abacus Spicer.

  106. By westcoastJET28 on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    I am clueless to what is going on in the minds of this GM & the rest of this FO we have here. Why would you sign somebody & overpay him, and then put him on the block? Especially when we could have gotten rid of him in the first place, without costing us a dime. I just dont get the logic there. Ridiculousness.

  107. By wayne on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve been speaking about this GM long while now. HE IS NOT A FOOTBALL MAN….ANYONE SAYING ANYTHING BOUT HIM, CAME AFTER ME…………AND NOT CLOSE……He thinks a 25 year old QB doesn’t need to compete… Tell that to Chuck Noll and Bill Walsh…….He wants quality not quantity……….As for his cap work……..THEY AIN’T GOT NO CAP!!!!!!!!!!……………..BUT THEY’RE GONNA GET PEYTON………SAID LONG TIME NOW, AIN’T GOING TO JETS NOW FOR SAME REASON HE DIDN’T 14YRS AGO……..They got no WRs for him, can’t afford any, can’t block, new age blabbermouth trying to recruit an old school QB……NEVER GOING TO WORK……Be real guys……BE REAL.

  108. By Tom Spicer on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    We never EVER all agree on 1 thing & it is amazing for the 1st time since the inception of Randy Radar we all agree that Wayne Hunter should have been cut weeks ago before his salary is was guarneteed. It would have ZERO $0 dead money vs the cap & we could have taken that $2.5 MIL & signed a free agent. MR.T IS DOING A BAD JOB THE PROOF OS IN THE PUDDING! How many good draft picks does this guy have? How many good free agents has he singed? I have said it before & I will say it AGAIN I do not blame last year on Rex & Mark I blame it on MR.T he gets a F for last off season!

  109. By Tom Spicer on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, I do not have to make up anything it is a known FACT that during the playoffs Holmes tweeted Pouha & Mark. He said we should be playing now. I am so sure of it that I will bet you about it. If I can prove that he did it prior to ever post you put up you will right Tom Spicer is right & if I am wrong I will do the same saying Tom 64 is right. DO WE HAVE A DEAL?

  110. By Chicago Bob on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Anyone who thinks Manning is going to sign an “incentive laden” contract is dreaming. There are teams out there (Miami, Washington, Seattle) that have owners willing to dish out big bucks which will drive his price up. How are we going to get the help needed to surround him with no money? Granted, MS threw a lot of bad passes however the pass protection our O-Line offers is average at best and it is not all Hunter. The Eagles schooled our O-Line and it was a team effort. Pass protection is not the Jets strong point as it is a whole new ballgame compared to run blocking. Just look at Alan Faneca – he was one of the best at run blocking however his pass blocking was less to be desired. I am sure Manning is going to take a hard look at that.

  111. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    “Ya sound defeated, Karan” — there, how do YOU like being treated that way? But you do sound that way, as nearly monosyllabic insults in response to other people’s reasoned arguments — and scjoe is in my view one of the most reasoned posters on this site — are the tools of those who can’t counter them. Man up or woman up or whatever you are and start putting some thought behind your beliefs. Until you do, you’re just an unthinking fanboy or fangirl or fansomething who needn’t be taken seriously. Sorry, but it’s about figuring out how to make this org work at a high level, something it’s rarely done, not just blind loyalty…especially when I suspect there are folks on this site who could do a better job in Mr T’s chair than he’s doing.

  112. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Here’s real for ya, wayne: We’re going for Peyton for 3 yrs, during which we’ll mini-rebuild around him. The 1st yr is to work him in, get the team used to playing with an elite QB, and start filling holes in the roster. The 2nd is the yr that we hope to go to the SB with him, which just happens to be played that yr on our turf. And the 3rd is to see if he has enough left to merit another 1 or 2-yr deal, whether McElroy’s learned enough from him to take over, and assess drafting a new QB. From just about any sane perspective, if Peyton’s healthy that 3 yrs is light yrs beyond what we’re likely to get with more “Mark’s the starter” nonsense and only Henne to push him. And if it works, no one will care what happens to Rex one way or another.

  113. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, calm down and stick to the facts. You once said on this site that we’ll never build the way those teams do because they have heritage, integrity, etc. all this stuff that Jet fans mostly can’t conceive of the Jets ever having. That’s one reason I’d strongly back Curtis Martin and investors buying the team, ’cause he’s got as much heritage, integrity, and desire to win as anyone in Jet history. Getting Holmes for a 5th was a no-brainer, it’s our lousy QB who’s largely wasted him. Favre woulda been fine for 2 yrs — as his AWESOME season on MIN showed — if he hadn’t gotten hurt with us and if loudmouth Jones and Rhodes, who are long forgotten by everyone by now, hadn’t criticized him publicly. For the rest, see my post to wayne.

  114. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, it’s a sad day indeed when the “#1 Jet Fan” plays damage control with the team’s future rather than advocate doing anything to build a winner. Read my post to wayne about how a 3-yr deal with Peyton would work — I’m not saying it will work that way but I’m sure that’s how the FO’s seeing it — then tell me you’d rather watch Sanchez and Henne fight it out on a team that no one wants to play for and that’ll be in danger of losing the few stars it has the next season. Of course, next season’s excuse for MS will be “He’s only had 1 yr to learn a new system” and by then either NE or the Giants will probably have gone to and maybe won another SB. By which time Woody might say enough and sell the team to Martin, which would be fine by me.

  115. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    You misunderstand me about “malcontented WRs,” Karan. What I meant was that any of those great WRs would become malcontented if they had to put up with what Holmes has from Sanchez. The fact is MS had an okay rookie yr, pretty much the same yr in his 2nd yr, and went backward somewhat the 3rd yr. He doesn’t show the kind of 3rd-yr maturity and toughness that you can expect from a future great, no matter how bad the OL is. Having blown MS’s rep up beyond any reasonable estimation (“Mark’s an elite QB”), Rex’s truly tragic (in the Greek tragedy sense) is to now have to beg for his favorite QB to come to the Jets and take over for MS if he’s going to hold onto his job as HC. Those with open eyes could see this coming about halfway thru 2010.

  116. By Jimmer on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez haters, please, explain to the rest of us, why he is so bad? He has taken a old school beat down 2 years running. 2010 was a mediocre beatdown, but 2011 was the red-headed step-child version! Anyone who thinks Peyton will willingly step behind this OL is insane.

  117. By robertpapalia on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    I am glad everybody is starting to take notice of Tannenbaum and see what kind of gm he really is. At this rate with his ” moves” the Jets should be in the basement very soon. Woody you need to take a more proactive role with this team or the rug will be pulled out from underneath you. Wake Up!!!!!!!!!!

  118. By Harvard prof on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Today Proves Mike T. Is overrated as a GM. His only great pics are Revis and Mangold and those were nop brainers driven by need. I believe the Giants have the BEST GM and Victor Cruz is a perfect example of this… even though they almost let him get away. Look at their Defensive line… full with talent. They overstick good Offensive tackels although none are great. They have depth and class. They get rid of players when they are out of their prime, like Brandon Jacobs. The Jets are the Exzact opposite. They SHOULD be the primary option for Peyton Manning if they did not overpay Shanchize to be a game manager. And Holmes contract was a horrible mistake. Getting rid of Cothery, Smith and Edwards for older guys & now RSIGNING WANE HUNTER!

  119. By Harvard prof on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    cont… Now the Jets actually expect to be able to win this division with the Dolphins getting Matt Flinn, The Bills getting injured defensive players back and stacking up on offensive weapons with their salery cap. And even more terrifying… the Patriots realizing they have to improve their defense and pass rushing if they want to win any more superbowls. They can be the best team in the NFL next year. Other than the Cardnals Bills and Colts, I dont see any team on our schedual where Ground and pound will work! The Jets also have a QB that can scare away even the most desperate WRs. The Jets might get Edwards and hope he stays injury free. But They are a 4-6 win team next year. If Sanchez is here in 2013… Revis might test the FA market!

  120. By GaryC on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom,if you remember you were the first in the love of rex theory and endorsements that players would be running to play for the jets,remember now,I said because of their history the free agents would go to the steelers,niners,packers and such,and that would force the jets to do better in the draft.Next time you are at the sports bar see if any of those waitresses has a number one pick written on her.

  121. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I know about Holmes’ “tweet” (how I hate that word and the whole technology behind it) to Sanchez, I said they haven’t SAID 2 words to each other since the end of the season, and I’ve seen no report saying they have. Last I heard Rex said he didn’t know and come to think of it, there’s no “Jets West” talk this yr, for obvious reasons. Jimmer, Peyton would step behind the OL that Mr T would frantically put together cutting anyone and everyone he had to to do it, and the first step in that process mighta been putting Hunter on the trading block. I see Cimini says we’re out of it on Manning ’cause he hasn’t scheduled a meeting with us yet. Odd to see him apparently forget how many different places Aso was allegedly “going” last yr…

  122. By GaryC on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, gotta hand it to you, you do a better job of backpedalling on issues as the jet safeties do in coverage.

  123. By Karan on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply



  124. By wetscoastJET28 on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Jimmer, watch a game and you will answer your own question. Also, read every post and argument/debate about him on this site since the season ended, and you’ll get the picture.

  125. By Bennett on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Jets should keep an eye on Janoris Jenkins, cornerback. might fall way down . He has had off field drug problems but is an exceptional talent, might be worth the gamble if he is still around in the 2nd. The word is a lot of teams won’t even touch him.

  126. By wayne on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Lookahere lookahere, now Cimini sees the possibility of Richardson slipping to 16 because of the convoluted notion that backs aren’t as important……Let’s hope the notion continues to hold up. Then it don’t matter who said it here first, because that’s what they and GQ need most………….You know Spice Rack, that Eli, GQ comparison’s not so far off after all……………………………….Dream on boys, if you think your Jets control any aspect of what’s going to happen in the Peyton Manning sweepstakes……………..Personally, I say, move along, nothing happening there.

  127. By wayne on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    64, Then you get him WRs who will follow their young QB…And keep their mouths shut…The bleep with the primadonnas…….Look at formula for developing QBs. They didn’t go get Peyton a bunch primys. They didn’t do that to Brady, they didn’t do that to Eli, even when he didn’t look so good early. Company line was steadfastly maintained….On and on….You didn’t hear any belly aching. They had young hungry guys looking to make their way in the game….Even when Chad was getting WRs murdered there was no belly aching….When Randy bellyached in NE he got shipped out…..The QB is the leader and that’s what should have been conveyed from top down but the boss chicken out by claiming ignorance….And GM……Aw the GM.

  128. By Tom Spicer on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, I cant believe how quick you are to defened a quitter, a club house cancer & just a overall bad person.

  129. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, I doubt any top WR prospects in the draft will be that thrilled to play with Sanchez, either. GaryC, you gotta adjust to new realities, I started to sour on Rex when he let Schotty blow the 2nd MIA game in 2010 and by now I’m thoroughly soured. Spice, I’m a realist, which is why I’m amazed to see Ira think it’s about picking up a few scrubs and marginally “improving” when the real issue is competing with the Giants and Pats. I don’t say Holmes behaved well last yr but as Chad himself said the other day, WRs want the ball and the better ones want it even more, it’s kind of an upside/downside thing. MS made mistakes last yr that the better high school WRs out here in Southern Cal would shake their heads at and the whole NFL knows it.

  130. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Black Friday Jets-style: You tellin’ me that Mr T came so close to Sanchez asking to be traded that the second he realized he had no shot at Peyton, he had to coddle He Who Must Be Uber-Coddled with a 5-YR DEAL? Or can one of you capologists tell me how you can pay a guy less over 5 yrs than you woulda over 2? Oh well, at least Ira and Karan are happy now that “Mark” has a bunch more “make or break yrs.” The happiest folks I know, of course, are the Pats fans I have to endure every Sunday, who never miss an opportunity on the NFL site or elsewhere to say they hope MS and Rex stay with the Jets forever. It’ll be interesting to see how much enthusiasm is generated among FAs and draftees by this. I see Jets joke status increasing “markedly.”

  131. By yankees jets fan on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    I wanna announce with the extension MS just recieved i’m no longer a jets fan.I will not watch any Jets games this year,i’m done I will not root for them.Thank god for the yankees season starting soon so long Jets from a former Jets fan.

  132. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    But I WILL ask a few questions even Ira and Karan may have trouble answering: Why drop vague hints of a need to “push Mark” if you’ve been negotiating an extension? Why refuse to unequivocally say he’s your guy? Why make a move like this BEFORE FREE AGENCY? And finally — and this is the laugher — WHAT SENSE DOES IT MAKE FOR “MARK” TO GET A RAISE AND ELI TO TAKE LESS? My 2 gut reactions: (1) We’re losing Revis next yr, and (2) This is the Jets as the 1966-1974 Yankees, trying to make a big deal of Murcer, Kenney, Blomberg, and the like while the Mets are off winning the World Series. Anyway, I can’t wait to hear Rex at his next presser, “See, we were in danger of losing Mark, the respect for him around the league is so great…”

  133. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Well, I saw it, I read, but I still can’t believe it. What in the world are these people (Mike T, Woody J and Rex) thinking about? They had to see what most of us saw this past season. With that being said, I am almost willing to bet the house that this new contract agreement will include an almost risk free out at the end of the 2012 season on this contract if/when MS “does it again” And if he should do it again I would like to say in advance, Bye bye Mr T, nice knowing you!

  134. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Chicago Bob, you were only half right. I wasn’t “dreaming” about that Peyton contract, as I said in that post I was “hoping” for one. But after the breaking news I just heard, it is a moot point anyway. All of you who wished the Peyton to the NY Jets marriage would never happen, remember what I wrote a few days ago, “be very careful what you wish for” Stay tuned!

  135. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Going in to my 52nd year of being a Titan/Jets fan, I can’t think of a time I was more frustrated then I am right now. The 28th ranked starting QB in the league just signed a new 5 year contract and will become the 6th highest paid QB in the league. What on earth am I missing here????? Surely there has to be a place in our current administration in DC for Mike Tannenbaum. Maybe as the new “financial adviser” to our pres.

  136. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    You know what? After some really serious thinking I hope that Peyton signs with the Miami Dolphins. Lets just speed up the process, lets just see exactly how right or how dead wrong this ingenious decision turns out to be.

  137. By kleckofan on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    well, since this news popped while most of you on the east coast slept, let me be the first to say that it’s official: Tannenbaum has no clue. They extended MS and gave him another $20m guaranteed. Sanchez gushed, “new york is one of the greatest cities in the country” What? One of the greatest…what cities are ahead of the city he represents? Apparently the coming out early didn’t only effect his sports maturity. Glad we didn’t go the Peyton route, still think it will prove a mistake,but this was not what I had in mind. Very disappointed and am now solidly on the campaign to fire Tannenbaum,

  138. By Harvard prof on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    What a Terrible week for the Jets! Mike T. is Obviously a Mole working for the Patriots… I have taken alot of thought into the next move for the Jets… I believe they should bring in Pennington as a third string QB behind Sanchez and Cambell. Whats the point of having a Mcelroy on a team where Sanchez is already your Long Term Project?( Thanks to the top 7th contract) Let the 4 qbs duel it out in pre season. And Mcelroy or Pennington will be the last cut. After looking at the tape, Cambell is the best player because he can run the ball and does not throw risky balls. His Stats are amazing considering the lack of Talent he had. Chad Henne is a Pic throwing machine, and so is Sanchez. If you add in Lost Fumbles, They get 2 turnovers/ TD!

  139. By Harvard prof on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    If the Jets bring Brunell or Henne into NY they will loose their Jobs by the end of the year… And that Includes you Too Tony! Henne plays like he is Farve and always passes on the wide open first down pass for the triple teamed WR. He is a Pic throwing Machine. Pay 3 Million to get Cambel Here and he can run for First downs. Sanchez will loose the starting position 4 games in and you will need a comptent backup. He wont make all the hard throws.. but neither will sanchez and Henny will make some… and throw pick 6 on others. Mark my words the Jets are on a seminal moment here! They dont even have a game changing back and want to ground and pound in a division with Brady, Flinn and Peyton (all better than Sanchez)

  140. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    With a few hours to think and some new info, I can see the Sanchez deal from Mr T’s viewpt. If the Jets can’t get Peyton or Brees, they have no faster route to SB 2014 than MS. The guaranteed $ is $20.8 mil, about $10 mil a yr which can’t be much more than he woulda gotten on his old deal. So if by SB 2014 MS isn’t a star you can just cut him and start over — that is, if the Giants haven’t won another SB or 2 and run us out of town by then. In all, a typical move by an accountant/PR man, if not a true football person. Problem is, what does the move say to NFL players, who consistently rate MS as one of the most overrated if not THE most overrated player in the league? I suspect not much, as we might see confirmed by which FA’s we land.

  141. By Row on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Woody, fire Mr. T immediately! The Sanchez contract extension for another up to 70 million of your money has to be the worst mistake in franchise history! He has proven to be a turnover machine with no downfield arm. Mark has turned pro bowl receivers into mediocre complainers.. Without the pickup of Orton, I will be forced to be a told ya so fan and follow my home team the St Louis Rams.. This is a sad day in Jet history. 8-8 may be the best mark for the next 5 sanchez years. So long Jets…

  142. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Uh-oh, just read Sanchez had no guaranteed $ on his old deal but of course does on this one. Is Mr T the most scared GM in the league or what? He panicked similarly on Revis after 2009, only difference being Revis is the best player at his position and Sanchez is in the bottom third at his. A few folks have said this is about clearing cap space, which one of you capologists can explain to me. Anyway, posts on the NFL site are running about 90/10 against this among Jet fans. Posts from non-Jet fans are about 90/10, but that’s for ridicule vs. non-ridicule — virtually NOBODY but a handful of Jet fans think this is a great move. But I suspect we’ll hear from the usual suspects on this site. Nice deal Mark has — get worse, make more money…

  143. By GaryC on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez signs an extension, time for Jet fan tom and scjoe to tear down their Peyton Manning posters,now let’s go forward and get Sanchez his big wideout in the draft and use McKnight the way that Sparano used Reggie Bush,and Please DO NOT think of trading for Dwight Freeney,another guy who is injury prone and seen his better days and will not look as fast not playing on Astroturf.Sorry again to Scjoe and Jet fan tom,the mannings being the elitists they are want to control all of football,that is why peyton wasn’t coming here and competing with Baby Brother.

  144. By Bennett on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    SCJOE I feel your pain. I have not been around quite as long as you . I think I’m going to pack it in again maybe for good this time, probably at least untile the T-baum Sanchez era is over. Finally had enought WE DID GET CLOSE THIS TIME AROUND

  145. By wayne on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    64, rookies shut up and play…Until McElroy……Braylon use to be one of those guys, but these last few years have humbled him enough, and there might be enough life left in that body, that there may be some value in that p/u……..Think about the Holmes thing…..He’s wasn’t playing last year for a contract. The Jets showed faith in him aft Pitt dumped him like so much garbage, Jets already showed him the money. And yet this is how this guy shows his loyalty? He was the more talented betw him and Braylon, having to do it again, I would take B over that guy every time. Even knowing B wouldn’t play last season, I would have gone with him.

  146. By wayne on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, they can’t do that to GQ.They’ve been throwing receivers at him for 2 years running and it hasn’t worked…….The teams most likely to grab Richardson are Cleveland in front and Cincinnati in back…..Cincy could want him bad enough to trade up to get him……Cincy is who I would be most concerned about, because CLE might fall for a QB. …..WRs take time to develop and if run game isn’t improved, throwing a rookie in a mix where vets weren’t even able to get it done will not be too good……Fix run game, everything else falls into place…That falls thru, they gotta go crazy on the defensive side, because offense will continue to be inconsistent and they’ll have to eek out Ws.

  147. By wayne on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    64, scjo, feel your pain, AND I DO MEAN THAT, Jets are just not Peyton’s cup a tea…..Mr. T was the same guy they were preparing to put into place when Peyton and Archie decided to go back to school. He’s the same guy they tried to drop on Belichick that caused him to bail….They probably didn’t tell hooded one until after he signed on the dotted line and he said the hell with this and bolted…..The Steelers were doormats until they got a bunch of all pros in a couple a drafts. 9ers same thing back in days of Montana…Pitt today always seem to have replacements on their roster. You can’t be talking quality over quantity. If you only get one good player every draft you’re never going to field a consistent winning organization.

  148. By GaryC on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Maybe now the disinterested one, Holmes can show that he was worth the money and catch and hold on to some passes,we know Sanchez will be here,in the future Holmes,not to sure,needs to take some etiquette classes on how to perform in the huddle and locker room,No takers for CANT WAIT,SCOTT.It would have been nice to bundle these two for some much needed picks.

  149. By russ on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    build a strong defense and the world is your oyster…build a strong offense and you can watch your team almost get there every year….

  150. By GaryC on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, what does it tell you that the jets reupped Hunter and Sanchez,your boy holmes two chief combatants,sounds to me holmes better get his act together or he could be catching passes for Alex Smith in San Fran.

  151. By GaryC on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    At least the colts are doing the right thing, getting rid of players who are past their prime and injury prone,maybe the jets can learn something from them.

  152. By GaryC on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Let’s get down to some post manning pie in the sky talk, If jets opt for Nick Perry in first round him and Maybin can hopefully put on that pressure and we can shoot for Hill of Georgia Tech in second,if jets go Alshon Jeffrey as the big wideout in First round then maybe Shea McClellin, Kendall Reyes,or maybe Trumaine Johnson as a conversion to free safety in second round.

  153. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Well, I had a whole night to think about it and dissect it, and try to figure out exactly what this FO is thinking about, know what I came up with? NOTHING!! It makes less sense today then it did yesterday. I am certain the contract is written in a way that gives them an out, but the question is how much longer do we as jet fans suffer through mediocre QB play (at best) when there were options out there to explore at the very least?

  154. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Randy, still trying to find an upside to this latest “transaction” Before the new deal MS counted at least 9mill toward the cap, do you know at this time what his new cap figure is?

  155. By Randy Lange on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry, scjoe, I do not know.

  156. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, we, or at least I am not even sure that the Jets FO reached out to Peyton. I am not sure that Peyton would have said no to a similar contract that was handed to MS. As insane as this is, it would be even worse if Peyton were to play somewhere else under a contract similar to what Sanchez got. How do you explain how one of the greatest QBs of our time, and one who never in his career made it out of the bottom quarter end up with similar contracts.

  157. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne, I have said all along that Mike Tannenbaum is very good at cap management and that is why Parcells brought him along. But he is NOT a GM. He should not have final say on personnel decisions, he is not competent in that area.If I had to pick one guy to compare him to and one situation to compare it to, it would be that absurd Matt Millian reign running the Detroit Lions. And when I say “running” I mean running them in to the ground. There have been some real head scratching transactions over the past few years, but this one stands out above all others. Look at what a change in GMs did for Detroit.

  158. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Just when I though things couldn’t get more frustrating and more embarrassing by being a Jet fan in this day and age, I read Gary Myers column in the daily News. If you haven’t read it yet this is a must read.

  159. By MIKE on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Just don’t understand the extension of MS. I am happy that Peyton did not become a Jet mostly cause this franchise is in shambles and it would be a forgetable ending to a first ballot hall of famer. Why extend him. He hasn’t done anything to deserve that. He still had 2 years left on contract. if he plays better in 2012 than yes extend him then but not now. If this was just to renew his confidence than MS is like a teenaged girl and shouldn’t be in NY.

  160. By Tom Spicer on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    GUYS CALM DOWN! 1 Peyton did NOT want to be a Jet PERIOD he would not even visit us. There is nothing we can do about it I wanted him more than ANYONE! 2 The Mark deal he is taking a PAY CUT he was going to make $14 MIL this year now he is making $10 MIL the new contract is really a restructer it gives us another $4 MIL to spend in free agency between him & Brick that gives us AT LEAST $12 MIL to spend in free agency. 3 Now here is the negative he is guaranteed $20 MIL so we are with him SINK or SWIM for the next 2 years. After that he can easily be cut NO PROBLEM. So the Jets are giving him 5 years to be the man at the end of these next 2 years if he is not a STUD he will not be on this team PERIOD!

  161. By Row on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    The truth is; the Jets were not a good fit for Peyton. Peyton wants to run a read based offense where he can check into several plays upon a moments notice. The Jets do not have a blocking and receiving TE so that right there means we have a liability on that side of the field. Our starting RB is mediocre at best out of the backfield catching the ball. There are really no down field threats on the Jets. Holmes can break one, but teams would just isolate coverage to his side of the field. The Jet center may be the best, but where is the pulling tackle to allow checks to a running game that has to be there when needed? Right now the Jets have one starting WR and a 4th rounder with some promise who has shown flashes in garbage time.

  162. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, blue-chip rookies also tell their agents to shoo away teams they don’t want to play for. Interesting how some of the biggest Sanchez boosters have nothing to say today, as if even they see thru this desperate PR move. On the whole I agree with Cimini: “Bottom line: This is a risky move for the Jets. MS has shown promise in his first three seasons, there’s no doubt, but after last season’s struggles, there’s no way we can say for sure that he will be an elite quarterback. The Jets increased their bet on Sanchez at a time when they didn’t have to do anything.” Somebody also reminded me this is like Wilpon extending Minaya after the Mets failed to make the playoffs. The hapless Mets and the hapless Jets do seem like birds of a feather.

  163. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Mehta has a great, in-depth but brief analysis of the Sanchez deal. It basically guarantees him a little more for this yr and next but not so much that he couldn’t be traded. And it locks him in at a favorable rate if for the 3 yrs after that if he’s better by then, though of course under that scenario Rex will start calling him the best QB in the NFL and Mr T will jump to rework his deal yet again. Again, this looks like a marginally smart financial move rooted in desperation on Mr T and Rex’s part to convince us and themselves (they’ve little shot of convincing the rest of the league) that Mark is doing just great. Silver lining for me is the more MS screws up now, the faster both Mr T and Rex will be gone. Curtis Martin, where are you?

  164. By IRA on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, Glad to see you have finally changed your mind about Edwards. Hope he is healthy and they bring him back.
    As for the contract to Mark. I think it was a good move for several reasons and you have to look at the big picture. Peyton like i said was never coming here. Second mark was going to be a FA after 2013. Now they have him locked up for 5 yrs and they can cut bait after 2013 if things don’t work out. So if he gets back on track [i expect him to] they don’t have to worry about a deal or him hitting the FA market.
    Sure PM was plan A but they did the right thing.
    GO JETS!!!!!

  165. By Bennett on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    So you get a 73.2 QB rating pull a #1 in points scored off your turnovers,lead your team to an 8-8 season and almost single handedly lose the last 3 must win games and you get rewarded with a nice fat contract extension ? And I thought the Hunter deal was crazy ! So this is what we have… a snake oil salesman for a GM, a large big mouth for a coach, the worst tackle in football, a juvenile delinquent for a WR, a just plain bad QB, a defense in decline,no real running game, no pass rush, no QB protection, no middle defense, a team in rapid decline with more holes than swiss cheese and the first two things we do is the Hunter/Sanchez deals?? Yeah I really want to support this team next season

  166. By Chicago Bob on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Since the Jets are now “all in” with MS, you had better give him the help he needs in the form of an outstanding OL – drafting DeCastro or the top rated OL at #16 is now a distinct possibility. It has been proven that MS is not the guy you want throwing 30 times a game so you had better make sure your running game is one of the best in the league so he isn’t pressured to throw. Hopefully with his new contact and Brick restructuring his, it will free some cash to sign some quality free agents. Do the right thing, bring in good people that put the team first and clean up the locker room. Don’t spend all the cash available on Mario Williams – with the money you would pay him you could get 3-4 quality players and fill some holes.

  167. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Here’s a poll that’s up on Gang Green Nation. I encourage everyone to vote:
    Do you agree with the new contract given to Mark Sanchez?
    26% Yes 196 votes
    73% No, This Franchise Has Lost It’s Mind 539 votes
    I also see quite a few folks on the NFL website saying they’re selling their tickets after this move. I always balk at moves like that or yankeesjetfan’s decision to stop being a fan, if I had tickets I’d keep them or maybe even try to trade up as better seats become available. I still say Sanchez has about a 1 in 4 chance of becoming great and I don’t really think he’ll get more than next yr to show strong progress in that direction. At this pt I think we have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning the division over NE anyway.

  168. By Karan on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Jet fan 64, it wasn’t my implication to insult scjoe, if i did, then i apologize to scjoe, i don’t understand why you took it so personal, but ya gotta understand, the fact that you complain a lot about sanchez gets a bit annoying sometimes, its like you don’t give the guy credit for whats he’s done in a short amount of time, ya he’s not the best, but remember, he’s only 25, theres wayyyy too much pressure on him already by the media, it doesn’t need to poured onto more by us fans, fans should support their QB, through good and bad tines, now if he was anything like jamarcus russell, i understand your point, but he’s not

  169. By Another Tom on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Wow.. I’m not sure how MS “earned” this reward. When the going got tough at the end of the season He was a huge disappointment. I thought We were making progress with new OC Sparano and other new coaching hires..but.. One step forward, two steps back? the personnel decisions made during the T-baum / Rex area continue to be wreckless and senseless. I’m glad MR T’s not balancing my check book and paying my bills

  170. By Karan on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    And uh no, Jet fan 64, just because Sanchez received an extension doesn’t mean I’m happy about it. You know i support the guy, but i don’t think they should have extended his contract, at least not yet or until he proves it that there needs to be an extension. I’m behind Mark, but they could have used that money for something else.

  171. By Karan on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Actually, i guess the contract extension isn’t as terrible as it sounds, Cimini posted that it will actually make the Jets more flexible in free agency as it saves them 6.4 mill this year. Its a ‘statement’ contract however, if Sanchez doesn’t improve, it could spell the end of Rex and co. within 1-2 years.

  172. By Bennett on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    The more I think of this the crazier it seems. Everyone seemed to agreed, if you liked him or not, that Sanchez needed a push. 2 years left on a contract is a pretty good push, no guaranteed money is a pretty good push. bad season lots of questions a pretty good push. So what to the do ? Extend him 3 more years, give him guaranteed money, and reward him for a bad season. It goes against all logic T-baum has got to be one of the worse GM’s in recent history and of coarse OF COARSE the Jets only the JETS have him. This team has been inept for 4 decades, always shooting themselves in the foot, and the string continues

  173. By Bennett on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets have lost because of poor QBs, certainly had their share and more of poor coaches, poor players, poor drafting, poor free agency, always consistently letting the good ones leave, poor one thing or the other always popped up to stop us from winning. Now when it finally looked like in 2010 it was all coming togeather what happens? The influence of a poor GM is felt by 2011 and once again the Jets begin the inevitable decline.The biggest mistake the made this time, in this era, was making a novice like T-baum the GM. Woody you deserve the team you got by putting it in T-baum’s hands

  174. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I think you’ve got the best take on the Sanchez deal, basically reframing it as a pay cut. As you say, save for Peyton the Jets weren’t gonna make big moves at QB this yr and if this extension puts an end to folks dreaming about Chad Henne pushing MS onto the bench and emerging as some kind of star, that’s a good thing. Karan, the great things about this site are that it’s anonymous (if you want it to be), it’s not subject to any editorial review but Randy’s, and it doesn’t cost you a thing. I’m sorry if my complaints about MS annoy you but Sanchez annoys me on half the downs he plays and that said, I’m way more civilized about it than some folks. Read what folks on the NFL site say about him. Same goes for Rex far as I’m concerned.

  175. By MPC on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    This whole MS thing reminds me of Isaiah Thomas with the Knicks. He always got a better job with a raise after he failed some place. Ironic!
    This team needs a lot of improvement, but it starts at QB. Lets just hope MS improves under Sparano.

  176. By Bennett on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    So Peyton didn’t want to come here. No kidding whada great revelation. I thought he would love to run for his life for 4 qts at 36 years old and with 4 neck surgeries. I thought he would like the fractured locker room and that the had to fire all the captains. I thought he would love to join a team in decline without the money to pay him and work a nice “incentive ladden” contract.I thought he would have thought it cool that his backup QB sat alone on the bench pouting every game and hoping he would get hurt. I can’t for the life of me understand how he could pass up this great oppertunity

  177. By GaryC on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Karan,do not get upset with jet fan tom,he is just nervous that one day he might have to eat crow when sanchez leads jets to a super bowl win,and has just as many championships as Broadway Joe,who also stands behind Sanchez.

  178. By Bennett on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Karan I read your posts and in no way did you insult scjoe, just a little harmless give n’ take is all. Were all just fans here one way or the other. Jet64 gets a little sensitive some times. Just keep speaking whats on your mind, I always enjoy your take on things

  179. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    What IS disturbing to me about this is what it says about Mr T and Rex. It seems clear Mr T’s more of a fantasy league geek than a football man, obsessed with caps, numbers, and deals without really having any overall vision for the team much less a good eye for talent. His approach seems to change yr to yr based on who’s available and what loose change he has left in his pocket. Rex, like most beginners at anything, seems to equate desire with results — by saying we’re the best team, Mark is elite, we’re gonna win the SB (absurdly said to Jacobs in a childish standoff on the field on national TV), he thinks he’s making it happen. Both Mr T and Rex look like amateurs to me and throw in the often amateurish MS and it’s not a pretty picture.

  180. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, no apology necessary to scjoe. You have your opinions, and I respect them just like I try to do with everyone on this site. All I ask is that you respect mine without the little side notes such as “ya sound ignorant” Think about it, the only reason you make that statement is because your opinions are contrary to mine. And at the same time, I thank my man 64Tom for having my back.

  181. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, you are right. It is not the end of the world but to me it just came as a complete shock. If you read the stories in the news papers then read the blogs below each, it seems to me that eight of every ten Jet fans absolutely hate the new deal. I don’t know what will happen in camp at that position. I am still hoping for competition, but one thing I will not do is turn in my #12 and my #72 home and a way’s because of this. One thing I will say, and that is I hope Richardson falls to #16 as you project. Now more then ever.

  182. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    WOW! People, you absolutely have to go over to ESPN New York and read the article on the new Sanchez deal by Stephen A Smith.

  183. By Another Tom on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Good Point Karan..We have to look at this deal as a re-structure instead of an extension..easier to swallow that way.. Chicago Bob..nothing wrong with picking Decastro/OL in first round. Our greatest need and safest pick too

  184. By Another Tom on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    IF M.S. “wins” the starting job( HaHa) Ground and Pound ( Please No Brandon Jacobs)is Plan A. With Sparano here I guess Plan B should be a heavy dose of the Wild Cat..These plans limit the amount of MS pass attempts ..which is a good thing. Maybe even give Tone some Reps back there running the show. He really is our Best play maker

  185. By GaryC on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, when you put Mr.T and Rex together I am surprised you haven’t come up with a quip like the jets are being run neanderthorial or prehistorical.

  186. By IRA IS WRONG on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez is a terrible QB! he cant read defenses, cant call plays, cant throw accuratly, cant throw back sholder, cant run the ball outside the red zone, and can only throw slants and play action pass. If faced with any good defense, Not only is he unproductive, but a liability due to his poor accuracy leading to turnovers. He fumbles the ball due to low pocket awareness and playing “scared” under pressure. He is a good back up at best, yet is making more than the top 15 QBs in the NFL! Go Figure! If the Jets have any sence they will use the money saved up on this extenshion and pay for puilo and use their draft pics to fix holes. Then bring in Cambell and Pennington and trade Mcelroy.

  187. By Tom Spicer on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    I got this off of a site I read everyday called Rotoworld “Mark Sanchez says he’s been in contact with Santonio Holmes for the “whole offseason.”
    “We’ve been in contact really this whole off season, and I think a bigger deal was made out of than needed to be,” Sanchez said.

  188. By Tom Spicer on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    I said in a earlier post that this deal will give the Jets a EXTRA $4 MIL to get free agents with this year. Well I just got a accurate number off of Rotoworld. It is as follows. “Mark Sanchez’s new contract has created $6.4 million in 2012 cap space for the Jets. The final three years of the deal are team options, allowing the Jets to cut Sanchez “without further investment” following the 2013 season. The deal can be construed as little more than a restructuring. Like I said guys are making this to be much more than it is Peyton did not want to play for us & if he wasnt coming Mark was NOT leaving. It gives us a EXTRA $6.4 MIL to spend come this Tuesday 3/13 the start of free agency.

  189. By Tom Spicer on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I was shocked as hell myself but if you sit back & look at the deal Mark took a PAYCUT & IF he does not step up BIG TIME he will be off of the Jets in 2 years TOPS MAYBE 1. He will not see a PENNY of that big money in the final 3 years.

  190. By yankees jets fan on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    I’d like to know what the negotiation was like on the MS extension let’s reenact it.

    MS:Guys you know I led the league with 26 turnovers last year

    Mr.T:Yeah MS that’s why we’re here today to reward you for your accomplishments

    Ms: I don’t know hear you guys were think about Peyton

    Mr.T:No we don’t want that guy he’s competent were Jets we reward failure,so what do you think would like to fail together

    MS:Hell yeah I think I can get 30 turnovers this year,you guys had me scared for a minute thought you actually wanted to succeed lol

  191. By Tom Spicer on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I really thought we were going to get Richardson & the only team in our way was the Bucs. But now that the Redskins made that deal for the 2nd pick I no longer see us getting him I saw him getting by 1 team but not 2. Either the Browns or the Bucs will take him. I was hoping the Browns would take RG3.

  192. By Tom Spicer on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    With Brick & Mark both restructering we have $14 MIL in new money for free agency (8 MIL from Brick & 6 MIL from Mark) Plus the $8 MIL in “carry over” money we had the Jets have OVER $22 MIL to spend in free agency. So to anyone who believes these rumors about us not being MAJOR players in free agency I have a BRIDGE TO SELL YOU.

  193. By Tom Spicer on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    I go this off of the Bleacher report “Pro Football Talk pointed out in a Saturday breakdown of the deal, the new contract is easily as beneficial for the Jets as it is for their temporarily jilted starting quarterback, as the team exchanged a bit more guaranteed money for the ability to more easily sever ties with Sanchez in the future if his development as a player continues to stagnate or regresses.”

  194. By Tom Spicer on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Also Cimini & Steven A Smith well I think they hate the Jets & I am being nice Randy wont print what I really want to post about them.

  195. By MIKE on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Jets top 5 players. 1)Revis 2) Mangold 3) Harris 4) Brick 5) Keller
    All players whom were drafted and brought up though Mangini. Seems as if Rex as far as building a team through acquisitions is brutal. Not 1 really quality player has been brought here or drafted since he moved in. Wilkerson or Cro is the closest thing. Holmes is a top 5 WR talent wise but a headache. Scott “Can’t Wait” to get out of town and now MS is one of the highest paid turnover machines ever. I think he makes around the same as Rivers. Wow.

  196. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, Namath won a SB by growing in his first few yrs as a Jet, then playing a game no one thought he could, truly leading the team to victory vs. the Colts and leading the AFL into equality with the NFL, ensuring a merger that some say might not have happened had we lost SB3. Now THAT’S “winning a SB” as a QB, not getting to the AFC championship, turning in an average performance, and losing both times. I’ll be as happy as anybody on this site if Sanchez ever truly “wins” an SB for the Jets, but that kind of progress usually starts with consistent performance during the season, which we haven’t seen from him. No problem, scjoe, I just didn’t think posters should descend to one-sentence insults. (One PARAGRAPH insults I’m okay with!)

  197. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez stats from ESPN: “Last season, his 6.5 yds per pass att towards WRs ranked 32nd. And now for possibly the scariest stat if you think MS’s past could be a predictor of his future production during the span of this new contract: A QB’s Points Above Average (PAA) represents the number of points a QB contributed to his team above what an average QB would contribute in the same number of plays. Since MS entered the league in 2009, no other QB has cost his team more points than if replaced by an average QB.” Also, Damien Woody calls the extension “rewarding mediocrity,” which is hard to argue with, and to MS’s claim the deal “reminds” teammates he’s their leader, Cimini says MS will “have to show leadership on the field and in the LR.”

  198. By Bennett on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    The only thing worse than aa incompetant GM is arrogant incompetant GM. An incompetant GM realizes he is incompetant and is very, very careful with his moves. He is so carefull it takes guite awhile for people to realize that he is in fact incompetant and fire him. An arrogant incompetant GM does not even realize he is incompetant and makes what he thinks are bold moves. He is so arrogant people realize how incompetant he is quickly and fire him. This whole mess, that has been a few years in the making, is going to be exposed in 2012 with a nice 6-10 season the way this off-season is shaping up. T-baum will be fired and he will take down Ryan and most of the rest of the good ones with him

  199. By Tom Spicer on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    The person who posted there name as ‘IRA IS WRONG’ grow up!

  200. By Bennett on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    Here is tha classic example of an inept GM. When asked about Wayne Hunter T-baum said he has to play better.Did It never enter his mind that he CAN”T PLAY BETTER, thats the best he has. Don’t you think he tried to play better already.. Do you really think he is going to play better because you told him he has to. Are the patients running the asylum?

  201. By Bennett on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    How do we go from the AFC champ. game one year to an 8-8 team who failed to win one game against a team with a winning record the next year? When you look at the whole picture, very carefully you will realize T- baum built a house of cards and the decline was inevitable. The damage he has done in his tenure will be felt for many years to come. …

  202. By Bennett on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    YO Jet fan 64 WAY TO GO WITH THE OBSCURE SANCHEZ STAT !!!! Actually there are more out there, none good, some down right horrible, you shoud see his production for the !st quarters… its like he is sleep walking out there… It gives a whole new meaning to the phrase ” slow start “

  203. By GaryC on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, when you have a line that is bad in protection, and a wideout who can’t get down the field and a bad running game,how can sanchezs yards per attempt be any better.that was like me saying if broadway joe was great at reading defenses why did he throw so many intercepts with the great receivers he had.any suggestions.

  204. By DKM on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    HA, HA, HA …….. snort, snort, …….HA, HA, ……………snort, snort, ………
    co’mon guys none of us seen this comming that has to be the biggest comedy show since Realety TV hit the American Market.

    JFS64, scjoe, Bennett, etc. ………….. this is fun.

    JFS64 we do not see eye to eye in everything Jets but one thing you and me agree here if this blows up and there is 50\50 chance, Woody is selling after 2014, and Curtis Martin it is. Until than you have to enjoy the ride either to sucsess or failure and always keep a smile on your face.

  205. By DKM on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    I told you so this always turns out to be different by the time we get to the draft and we have 6 weeks more to go.
    All of this is the biggest crap shoot ever incl. the Draft himself. CANT WAIT till Tuesday when FA starts.

  206. By DKM on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    Either Mr. T is the smartest or the most incompetent GM in the business stay tuned let the Theater begin and we all have Front Row seat without paying for it.
    Im more than happy to comment on it for the next 2 years and so schould you dont hang your head in the Sand it is allready there.

    With the intend of shipping around Hunter it looks more like will go after OLB in the Draft, or lets go with the recent motto, How about Steve Hutchinson since Vikes released him. JUST SAYING

  207. By DKM on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    Seriously my take on all of this is, i advocated MS deserved another shot at it, but not with a new Contract in his Pocket, but if it makes it easier to get rid of him after 2014, and it looks more and more to me thats what this extension was about, it is Time for MS to put up or @#%t up. I think he is seeing the writing on the Wall, and maybe bringing in a high priced Backup QB want be necassary cause they clearly appealing to his Pride as a NFL Player. Wich im not so sure works.

  208. By IRA on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    I guess picking up almost 7 mill in cap space was a bad deal? Please all this is was some support to Mark, giving Mr T and Rex 2 yrs for sure, and now giving them some room to add some pieces in place to make the Jets a better team and positioning them like Mr T likes to do so they can draft the players they want. If you want to knock the deal or the Jets thats fine. I was critical of their moves last year too but lets try and keep an open mind instead of wanting to bury them all the time.
    GO JETS!!!!

  209. By Bennett on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    I love the way some of you are trying to spin the Sanchez contract extension into something great and really a piece of cap genius. Funny it’s the same ones who were saying Sanchez is such a good QB while many of us who watched him play for 16 games last season were scratching our heads and thinking are these guys for real?. Reality is Sanchez is just not a good QB and the new deal is just stupid.

  210. By Bennett on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    That sound you heard at the end of last season was people jumping off the band wagon.Never met so many Jet fans in my life as in 2010. Now the hard core fans are starting to abandon the ship. Look at the Mets if you want to see how a franchise in one of the worlds biggest markets can fail, they are a mess. Look at the Dodgers another mess. The Jets are headed for another long decline, seen it before many times.

  211. By GaryC on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, one glaring faux pas you forget to mention with namath vis a vis Sanchez,Joe basically had all his offensive weapons with their being no free agency so he could develope rapport with his offensive mates over years,you kinda forget that.I told you this is the no spin zone, do not fabricate joe’s accomplishments to a greater degree because you are into hero worship.I know compared to other jet qbs Joe is probably Sammy Baugh to you.

  212. By wayne on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    Make no mistake about, I don’t hate the Jets, and I am not on board the Sanchez bandwagon….But they picked him, so develop him…..He’s being paid a lot of money to man the most important spot on a football team….I have very strong doubts that the bean counter and this coach are equipped to do that….spin it all they want, they are giving him a raise because of the Manning thing and because redoing his contract gives them some more cap space, not to mention those 2 championship games he’s getting credit for……..I wait………………There’ll be a lota wheeling and dealing next week, They were pressed for time and cap space because the capologist got his team in a bind. Now they might have enough for a couple a moves…We’ll see.

  213. By wayne on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    ALL THAT TALENT ON THE MARKET AND NO MONEY FOR SHOPPING………Water water everywhere and not a drop to drink…….Gotta be pulling out what’s left of that hairline.

  214. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, some of my posts on Rex haven’t made it past Randy’s desk, but I do believe he’s a complete fraud, a DC who has no business as an HC. As for Mr T, I used to think he was okay but his yr-to-yr panic on renewing deals (Revis and now, preposterously, Sanchez) and his overall disregard for the kind of ongoing vision for a team that the best GMs display has me wondering. IRA IS WRONG is not me in disguise but yeah, I agree with his posts even if I wouldn’t overly personalize it by way of Ira. The problem isn’t any one person on this site but the low expectations of many Jet fans, which I don’t feel are appropriate after the team’s decades of mediocrity. “You can’t get what you want till you know what you want,” as Joe Jackson once sang.

  215. By Karan on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    yup no more side notes, i also thank GaryC and Bennett for the support.

  216. By Karan on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    yea i dont think Steven A. Smith is a big Jet fan, I almost never hear anything good come out of his mouth regarding the Jets, loll

  217. By Karan on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    If I were the Jets, I would not sign Brandon Jacobs. He’s now suddenly praising them saying he wants to play here under Rex, pleeasse man, you just want a job in New York again. After that implication with Rex last season, there’s no way the Jets should even consider having Jacobs as an option, plus he’s getting older and we already have a power back in Greene.

  218. By scjoe on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    64, I don’t think they should descend to “insult” at all. After all, we are all just voicing opinions for the most part, and in many cases facts as well. I can understand the contradiction to the opinions but not to the facts. THAT, to me is ignorant.

  219. By scjoe on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    Damien Woody called the extension “rewarding mediocrity” Stephen A Smith called it “rewarding regression” Take your pick. Spicer, I am beginning to understand it more and becoming more and more comfortable with it. In my mind, and being a Jet fan for as long as I have, and knowing it’s star crossed history as I do, I guess I knew in the back of my mind that Peyton would never become a Jet. Transactions of that magnitude are withheld for the other 31 teams. Never for this team.

  220. By scjoe on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    64, well said about Joe Willie. I don’t think any Jet fan, especially one who was around from the 60s should ever have to defend Joe, or what he accomplished and contributed to the NY Jets and to the AFL Sure, he may not have reached “elite” status if you break down his stats. But he is the perfect example of the term we use here on this site so often, “stats don’t always tell the complete story” Joe Willie was a Winner! That defines him more then anything else.

  221. By Bennett on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    Well I can sleep better tonight knowing that we were able to keep the worst tackle in football and extend a contract for our QB that didn’t have to be extended… Wow that was close am I ever relieved

  222. By IRA on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    A stellar two weeks would be to start with Pouha by tomorrow night, Lowery, Henne, Carey, Johnson or McClain or both and Edwards. That would really get them off to a good start.

  223. By Tom Spicer on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    I cant wait for Tuesday for free agency to start so I can read 1 POSITIVE post this place is like a FUNERAL HOME!

  224. By scjoe on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I would agree with you on BE, Henne, Carey, and maybe Lowery, not so much Johnson or McClain. As for Pouha? If he isn’t resigned it has to be Poe at 16 (if he is still there) or Ta’mau in the 2nd round, (if HE is still there) Remember the importance of that NT in the 3-4 Another nice option? Trade down to the top of the 2nd, then select Ta”mau. It all depends on free agency, but it makes good conversation.

  225. By scjoe on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I would like to offer my answer/opinion on the question you asked 64, “How can MS YPA be any better given the WRs he has?” How about a little more accuracy on his passes over 20 yards? They are horrendous at best.

  226. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, my line about one-paragraph insults was a joke of course, though I’m fine with folks “playing the dozens” on this site. Any Jet fan who hasn’t developed a tongue-in-cheek, dark sense of humor hasn’t been a fan for long. GaryC, a match-up of the advantages Sanchez has been given vs. those Joe had would take up a separate site, but just briefly: DBs could do anything to WRs in Joe’s day, one reason other great QBs threw a lot of INTs and nobody worried about it unless a INT literally lost the game, like the kind MS throws. Just the fact that Joe quickly learned to read D’s and call his own plays at a time when even QBs like Starr and Unitas weren’t doing the latter shows how many light yrs ahead he was of other QBs, much less of MS.

  227. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, love the posts on arrogant and incompetent GMs, one of which I’m starting to think is Mr T. And yes, I know that Sanchez’s 1st qtr stats are surreal — something Arte started pounding home last yr — but loyal Jet fans are supposed to pretend that’s normal. Karan, with all due respect I think you might wanna work on getting past the pt at which you interpret so much of people’s criticism of things as rooted in their personal feelings, like and dislikes, etc. Back in the day, Andrew Sarris wrote a great if scathing review of a Norman Mailer movie in which he confronted Mailer’s paranoia that everyone was out to get him with the facts of why his movie simply stunk. Similarly, the Jets’ failures aren’t personal for me, just pathetic.

  228. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    A friend born the same yr as me and thus an equally long-suffering Jet fan says this: On Tuesday, Jets need to go hard to lock up Flynn, Colston, and Landry, enabling them to draft for OLB, S, OL/DL, OL/DL, and then a mix of S, WR, OLB, whatever. He also says picking Trent R is insane when we have 3 recently-picked RBs that we haven’t given any real shot to play. I’d support moves for those 3 FA’s and the draft thinking is the same as my own. I think it was Spicer who said months ago that S and WR are best dealt with via FA and the other spots via the draft. I do wonder if we could get Flynn but if Peyton goes to MIA and Flynn was told he could win the starting QB spot over the next yr or 2 if MS doesn’t shine big, maybe we could get him.

  229. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    To paraphrase Audrey Hepburn (and Gershwin) in the classic movie musical FUNNY FACE, How Long Will This Be Going On? From Cimini on FA’s: “Jarret Johnson, OLB, 6-3, 260, 10 years (Ravens): Rex Ryan loves the guy. Johnson, overshadowed by the Ravens’ many stars, would immediately improve the perimeter run defense. He’ll be 31, so that’s a concern. The Colts, coached by former Ravens defensive coordinator Chuck Pagano, also figure to be interested.” So we’ll dump Scott, one of Rex’s overrated, aging faves, for Johnson, his virtual double? With stuff like this and the pick of Connor, it’s like Rex is some overgrown child whom the front office humors while making personnel moves that are less sentimental but no more advisable. What a nightmare!

  230. By IRA on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    LaRon Landry would be a very nice p/u if the Jets could land him. The Jets have not had a hard hitting safety like him since V.Green. Sam Garnes was ok but Green was as tough as nails.Only red flag i have with investing money in Landry is his injury problems the past two years and if his achilles is 100% healed he opted not to have surgery on it.
    He would replace Smith and be that in the box safety but they would still need to find a safety that could roam the middle of the field and over TE’s. Landry is not the greatest cover safety and has only 4 INT’s for his career over 5 years.

  231. By IRA on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    You are so right about Namath. I barely remember him playing in college but man oh man imagine what he might have been if he had not hurt his knee.
    Thats right Jacobs is not an option for the Jets. They do however need to sign or draft a RB that will add speed and be able to compliment Greene. McKnight is not the answer as a go to RB. Every team has two and they need to find one. Jacobs is not the answer.

  232. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    Weird to see how irrelevant the Jets are becoming in the NFL. If you go off this site, no one’s scared of them, no one predicts them to win anything, no one thinks Sanchez is close to “an ascendant player.” Writers routinely pick the Jets to come in 3rd in the division if MIA gets even a decent rookie or vet QB, some suggest they could come in 4th if BUF gets more aggressive about their roster. The novelty of Rex’s bragging and joking has completely worn off and most pieces on the Jets are about how many holes the team has in its lineup, with a few starting to discuss how badly the Jets have drafted since Rex took over. Then again, maybe this isn’t weird but normal for post-1980 or so, with the Giants the NY team people take seriously.

  233. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    We need to address the right tackle & WR spot in free agency. Then in the draft if a player the Jets think will be a dominate pass rusher is there you take him. If they dont think they can get a great pass rusher at 16 take Trent Richardson if he is there. If Trent Richardson is gone & there are no good pass rushers there take Barron he will be there for us 100% nobody has him going before us. If you take Barron or a pass rusher in the 1st round in the 2nd round take Lamar Miller (Miami).

  234. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    I think it will be very hard to get a pass rusher, saftey or running back in free agency. When I say get one I mean 1 who is a game changer & wont break the bank. I think we can 100% get a very good WR in free agency for cheap & can get a solid right tackle without breaking the bank. Get a right tackle & WR in free agency & fix the O 1st & in the top 2 rounds of the draft go pass rusher, saftey or running back. We can get 2 of those 3 in the 1st 2 rounds.

  235. By DKM on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    I cant believe where this League is going 3 fist rounders for RGIII is just ………
    just BAD plain and simple, im not blaming the Rams they did what they had to do but Boy did the Skins went all out on him, if he turns into another JM Russell then maybe the Jets want look so bad afterall you know giving MS an extension.
    Palmer last year at least had a resume but this Kid hasnt shown anything in the NFL yet and if the Prices for QB’s comming out of College going up like this, you will see Teams trading away entire Drafts From Top to Bottom for unproven Talent like this, and i dont think thats a trend i would like to see in the NFL.

  236. By DKM on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    i want no part of landry what good does it do if the guy cant stay on the Field, IRA, he is turning into another Bob Sanders in front of our eyes.

  237. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    IRA,Scjoe and Karan, I hope the jets stay away from Jacobs. He has a big mouth and we just don’t need that type of player right now. Bad enough they gave GQ that extension and some players are going to resent him in the locker room even more now. If Richardson falls to #16 we might have to draft him. In free agency I just don’t see anyone available speed wise at rb. Landry would make a nice pick up at S. V.Green and kyle Clifton most underrated jet players.

  238. By DKM on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    RB ……………… yes later Rounds or wait and see who else gets cut by there teams later when the TC come around or Finished.
    S ……………….. yes but same thing as RB.
    Know since you at least comited for another 2 years to MS you have to shore up on the OL, a blocking TE and a WR,also we absolutly have to get younger in the LB core work on it FO.

  239. By Bennett on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    We are going to have to invent a new word for T-baum’s actions over these last ree seasons. It is DEBUILD and of coarse is the opposite of build. What we are watching so far is T-baum debulid this team with moves that to even the most loyal Jet fans out there (Karan ) find troubling. Messing with the O line, huge contracts for Holmes, Sanchez, the Hunter deal, Braylon non- deal, Vlad “the impaler” Gholsen and so much more…. T-baum has reached his “level of incompatance ” as any of you readers of “The Peter Principal ” will know

  240. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    Here’s what I would like to see.

    Backup QB= Campbell or Garrad
    RG= C.Nicks or move more to RG and get Hutchinson to play LG. Hutchinson reminds me alot of Faneca I think he has two more years in him you will have four pro-bowl lineman to protect GQ and get the running game going. Hutch may come cheaper too.
    WR= Braylon Edwards cheap and knows GQ. Perfect #2 WR
    TE= Keller/Cumberland I like this combo
    DE= Don’t know who’s really out there to play 3-4 end in free agency.
    LB= This maybe a draft pick Upshaw/Ingram/Kuchely
    S= Landry / Bullit
    RB= This too maybe a draft pick
    So I see the bulk of the money in FA going to players like Nicks and Landry.

  241. By GaryC on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, you really believe that unitas and starr did not call their own plays,you need to do a little research, I believe Paul Brown started calling plays from sideline with the messenger guards he would bring in with the expansion Bengals,remember that.Starr and Unitas were playing long before that.

  242. By GaryC on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, you say qbs were at a disadvantage that corners could mug receivers,but look at Jack Kemp and Lenny Dawson,broadway joe contemporaries yet much better touchdown to interception ratios.

  243. By GaryC on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    I keep hearing colston for jets but nobody mentions his teammate Meachum who is faster and might come cheaper and garcon who might come cheaper compared to Reggie Wayne.

  244. By Bennett on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    Slept like a baby last night… I have been so worried that we might let the worst Tackle in football go and our QB only had 2 more years on his contract. WHAT A REL.IEF !!!

  245. By Bennett on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    Well now that these two pressing issues have been jumped on by our crack GM. we can move on to other matters. Like drafting some more 3 year projects, signing some over the hill free agents ( after all they will be cheap ) then we can re-sign our own bad players and let the good ones move on ( after all they will be expensive.) then lets release some good young talent so the can go on to star on some other teams. After that I think the crack GM should get the whole team togeather and tell them to play better that should work. Oh.. and Ryan did say he was going to learn the offense this year which should be helpful for a Head Coach… what a great idea!!

  246. By robertpapalia on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    Well now that Tannenbaum and Rex have hitched their wagons to Sanchez, they better get the players in here to support him. For if they don`t get what the team needs in free agency and the draft, we could be in for a long season. Which also means the current regime will be on very shaky ground to say the least. Stay tuned as this drama unfolds. Or should I say comedy?

  247. By Bennett on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    All this talk about QB changes with Henne, Peyton, and all the rest was all smoke so that the had leverage to make the Sanchez deal on better terms. Lets not even mention that the deal did not have to be done. The Jets put out feelers to Peytons agent to arrange a visit and the got a prompt “not intereested under any circumstance ” T-baum knows the couldn’t sign him he did it to put some pressure on Sanchez and possibly have a nice media event featureing himself. It is impossible fot this guy to play it straight. Henne is not interested in sitting and wathching Sanchez play he wants his shot .So lets expect a “veteran ” backup which in T-baumese will mean washed upped. We all got to learn to understand T-baumese

  248. By Bennett on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    I forgot who said it but yes I was one of those Henne dreamers who thought he could come in here and have a huge breakout. I know it is unrealistic and it was all smoke but I think given the shot this kid is going to be a good one. He is still very raw but under the right coaches… I will be following him where ever he ends up.

  249. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, you sound like you didn’t really watch the games in the mid-60s, play-calling by a QB was rare especially in the NFL and Joe quickly became one of the wizards at it. And don’t make me laugh with comparisons to Kemp, especially with his 45% completion average most yrs. Dawson was better overall than Kemp but no one sweated picks then like they do now and a lot of great QBs like Hadl and Lamonica threw many more than would be tolerated today. What you need to do instead of quibble about games you may not have seen or don’t remember well, GaryC, is figure out why you’ll tear down anybody to defend “Mark” and the Jets’ insane generosity toward him.

  250. By GaryC on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, of course sanchez wasn’t accurate with passes down past 20 yards,when the play called for it Burress could not run 20 yards in the alloted time.Thank goodness people are starting to wise up about bringing in broken down ex-giants like brandon Jacobs, hopefully we have learned with the Plastico fiasco.

  251. By GaryC on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, one other thing with Unitas and Namath, are you telling me that weeb eubank who had both of them as a head coach didn’t let Unitas call his own plays and he let a young joe namath call his plays,1958 title game against giants I don’t think johnny u was looking to the sideline with the clock running to set colts up with tying field goal,I said do not fabricate the truth to make joe look any better than what he was.

  252. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, on this QB stuff you suddenly, inexplicable sound like somebody who only started watching pro football recently, so I’m not going to belabor the history of “audibles,” how different the AFL O’s were than the NFL O’s, how conservative the NFL O’s were about everything, not just play-calling…I thought you knew all this. I thought you watched it. Apparently not. Which means I can’t even go into how revolutionary it was when the Chiefs started Willie Lanier and Bobby Bell at LB and let them run the D. Really, go back and do your homework, this is embarrassing.

  253. By westcoastJET28 on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    Well fellas, I guess the Mr. T finally took my advise to restructure Sanchez. Saving us 6.4 mill for the cost of 2 more years, 3 if he actually gets better. I wasn’t around this weekend to comment on it so I was itching to say something. Well with that and the Manning sweepstakes out of the way, although I would have like to have had him, now we need to focus on RT, S, OLB & WR. Thank god Pouha resigned, I think it would have been tough to get Solial here due to his price tag. 

  254. By GaryC on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, just because kemp was a republican and Joe represented the counter culture isn’t any reason to knock a guy who led the bills to TWO AFL TITLES.

  255. By GaryC on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    just remember jet fan tom,weeb eubank was Paul Browns son in law, if not mistaking so I believe Weeb learned a lot from the man who brought the Browns to ten straight championship games.

  256. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    I LOVED Kemp, GaryC! The reason it’s “Jet Fan Since ’64 Tom” is because in the very first months that I watched pro football in 1963 I was a Bills fan and my favorite player was Dubenion. In fact, for many yrs I rooted for the Bills 2nd to the Jets. But I remember Kemp very well as a passer and he couldn’t hold a candle to Joe on many levels and when it came to calling plays and reading D’s, Joe left Kemp in the dust. But it’s nothing personal vs. Kemp and while I don’t wanna get into partisan politics on this site (or anywhere else, really — there’s nothing more 1.0 than party loyalty), Kemp wasn’t a bad politician, either, quite ahead of his time in some ways (especially on all things economic).

  257. By Row on Mar 13, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I think Elam was that last hard hitting safety. The more I think about it, the more I feel Sparano was the right guy, AND that we absolutely have to draft a 1st round talent running back. There are TONS of free agent WR’s out there and this draft is one of the worst in that area of interest. The problem I see with not picking up a valid option at QB beside Sanchez (like Orton) is the fact that Sparano is going to move him around more. He will take more hits in a screen, quick hit based offense. A lot of his plays are risk/reward. He is a good schemer, and basically found ways to get Marshall open while utilizing Reggie Bush to his fullest. If you think about it, he was able to use Bush a lot better and more effectively than the Saints!

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