New OT Rule’s Not Just for Playoffs Anymore
Posted by on March 29, 2012 – 2:59 pmAs you’ve heard, the NFL voted on this year’s rules changes at the owners’ annual meeting in Florida that concluded Wednesday. The one rule change that we all probably saw coming was 2010′s postseason overtime rule being adopted for all games.
Initially I was against tinkering with the OT rule. You know the arguments for and against. I always felt there was nothing wrong with the NFL’s true “sudden death” approach, and as such I respectfully disagreed with the league observers and commentators who suggested it would somehow be an “embarrassment” for a Super Bowl to be decided by a field goal on the opening drive of overtime.
Why? It’s how OT games have been decided since 1974. If one team didn’t get an “opportunity” to score in OT, so what? If a team doesn’t want to lose that way, don’t let the game go to overtime. And if it does get to OT, don’t let the other guys score first. Simple. This isn’t baseball. It’s football.
But of course the trend has been to modify overtimes, to decide tied games by the abominable college rule that also is used in many states for their high school games. I’ve always been a proponent of Bill Parcells’ philosophy. Why would you change the fundamental nature of the game by removing punt returns and field position? Let’s play football, not have a field goal contest or a shootout.
Yet the NFL didn’t adopt those rules. I wasn’t a big fan of the new rule it did adopt two years ago at this time, either. But after trying it on for size (even though it was only in effect once, and Tim Tebow of all people made it moot by lifting Denver over Pittsburgh the old-fashioned way, by TD on the first play of OT two months ago), it seems to me that if the league was going to revamp its overtime rules, it went with the best rule.
By 30-2, the owners this week voted to extend the rule to all games. Perhaps the margin of that vote was influenced by coaches who want to deal with the same rules for all games, not a different set for the postseason. But it appears that the new rule is being embraced by the league.
A historical note: Green & White fans of a certain age will miss the old OT rule, which was very good to their team over the years. The Jets have played 39 overtime games since ’74. Twelve of them have been decided on an opening-drive field goal. The Jets won nine of those games while losing three. In fact, the last game they lost without touching the ball on offense was in 1992, when they fell to the Colts at Indianapolis, 6-3. Since then they had won seven straight on the opening drive of OT. Not one of those wins was “embarrassing.” They were all won by the rules in effect at the time.
No longer. But at least we’re not playing more than one extra inning in breaking our ties now.
Below is a transcript of Competition Committee chairman Rich McKay’s short Q&A with reporters on Wednesday discussing all the rules and bylaw proposals. And feel free to leave a comment about the OT rule or any of the other rules changes that are discussed below or should be discussed at next year’s annual meeting.
McKay: There were seven total rule proposals voted on today. Five of those passed; two of those did not.
The two that did not pass: One was submitted by Buffalo, which was a change in instant replay to move the decision-maker from the referee to the replay assistant upstairs, which did not pass. The second was to change the horse collar rule that we have and take out the exception that we have for the quarterback in the pocket. It did not pass.
The other ones all passed, including Pittsburgh’s proposal to take our modified sudden death overtime procedures and move them into the regular season. It did pass. All of the rest of them that I have covered with you before, those all passed.
On the bylaw side, we passed Bylaw Proposal No. 1, which is a very simple cleanup trying to make Thanksgiving day and Christmas day or Christmas night games the same as our other night games.
We tabled a number of the ones that dealt with the player and roster movements, including some IR proposals. We felt there was some really good input and we felt like we would table them. We will vote on them in May. That would include the trade deadline; the overall roster limit of 90; the one activation you could make off of IR; and the one concussion-diagnosis exception to our active/inactive list that was proposed. We just have some work to do on those.
On why Playing Rule Proposal No. 2, which would have removed the horse collar penalty exception for quarterbacks in the pocket, did not pass despite promoting player safety…
We never are going to back up from player safety. We are always going to push the agenda as much as we can. We appreciate when teams push it also. In this instance, the rule was developed for an open-field tackle where we felt like a defender had a chance with an alternative to do something else, and we felt like the injury risk was going to occur because the defender was able to actually use the runner’s momentum against himself and swing and fall on the back of his legs. We never thought that necessarily applied in the pocket. We watched the tape and didn’t feel that was a change that was also fair to the defender. The defender in the pocket is fighting off an offensive player, grabbing and just trying to do everything he can. We just didn’t see the injury risk and that is why we didn’t support it. It is not a place we like to be because we are always going to promote player safety. We just didn’t think this had an impact on player safety.
On if there were discussions on Thursday night games and limiting travel…
There was. Howard Katz gave a report and gave us some guidelines that he is going to try to use as they schedule those and when the commissioner creates the schedule. Those were shown to the teams and talked about. The teams were pretty comfortable with those guidelines.
On if resistance to the bylaw proposals that focused on the roster caused them to be tabled…
No, there were some really good ideas and suggestions. There is not necessarily resistance. We have just got to work on the language a little bit. They do not need to be passed today. We will pass them in May, we will deal with them and we will show them to the union and do all the normal steps. We knew coming in that we traditionally do that a lot with bylaws, and we felt like in this instance that was the way we would go and we would table them.
On further discussing Bylaw Proposal No. 6, which would allow for a designated player to return from injured reserve after a defined time period…
The IR rule, perhaps there are a couple of amendments we may propose to that, yes.
On if average time of game could decrease as a result of the approval of Playing Rule Proposal No. 7, which calls for all turnovers to be confirmed by the instant replay official…
It potentially could. When you see it, it feels like it would slow the game down because you are taking what would be a challenge and taking it upstairs for confirmation. We didn’t see that in the scoring plays, and we think in the turnovers it will have the same effect. It is pretty much even, although in this instance the difference is we have a lot of plays that are turnovers, we go to a commercial break and the coach challenges coming out of the commercial break, which now really slows down the game. You will have none of that in this instance because the confirmation will occur before that. We like the way the procedure worked on scoring plays, and we felt like this was a change we could make without adding game time.
Tags: Bill Parcells, NFL owners' annual meeting, overtime rule, Rich McKay
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By wayne on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
Seems like Rex and T can’t see the challenges faced by this team from a chemistry, morale standpoint….They think they can just tune out the fans who’ll be screaming for Tim and that’s the end of that….There are people in the locker room who don’t believe in your starting QB. What happens when the groundswell begins? Do they rally around their starter or is there a split? We know when comes time to step up and be the adult, Rex is incapable….Does he cry? What then?….Bottomline, took a snap from GQ during practice and he didn’t handle it well, so we know he’s not ok with this…That doesn’t bother me so much because I long ago called for some comp for him. When teammates start gravitating to the compelling leader, Tim, what then?
By wayne on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
Think the Jets situation isn’t circus-like? They’ve created a culture in which players are encouraged to run their mouth. So as management is out trying to sell the world snake oil, you got players like Cro and now Revis contradicting everything their selling………..
By steven on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
BO, MO AND POE for a really good SHOW. With POE Gang Green becomes WALL ST.
By Bennett on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. Last year a modest 5,235 yards with 39 TD’s and just 12 INT. Pretty good for the 6th round. The pundits probably had him as to skinny or arms to long or not the right “mechanics” to play in the NFL. hmmm guess what experts just one of the best of all time…. guess he didn’t know he couldn’t play in the NFL because you said so
By IRA on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
Randy, I couldn’t agree with you more about the OT rule. They should’ve left it the way it was. At least now they have the same rule for both the regular season games and playoffs. It will be interesting to see how they handle the 4pm games now. You would think there will be some cases where the early game would run late. What do the networks do? I would just push the later games to start at 4:30 and make the SNF games 8:40.
The review rules they should just do what they do in the college games. Its real simple then and quick.
By SCfromNY on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
They did not even consider the “Sanchez / Tebow Rule” You can catch a pass on one bounce.
By 40 year fan on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
Randy , I totally agree . Why do they have to screw with the same old rules that made this game the greatest ? Why can’t they just leave things alone ? I don’t even understand the new rules ? it’s like college games now ? college football $–k$
By Bennett on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
I mentioned Brady an all time great who was drafted in the 6th round because what is amazing to me is if Bledsoe had not gotten hurt we might never had heard of him. Here is probably one of the top 3 QB’s of all time, in a well run top NFL orangization and they didn’t even know what they had. sitting there wasting away on the bench. The believed the pre-draft pundits who probably made the assumption based on ridgid criterior that he was at best a career back-up. Any other sport makes allowances for varied technique, size and even unorthodox playing style except football with QBs. This is why McElroy should have had a shot This is why Tebow is now probably a career 45% QB the “experts” and ” pundits” which crawl all over this sport
By MIKE on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
I can honestly say that I have know idea who Jets will target in first round. Last two years you could ball park who they would pick and those picks were late in the round. Decastro, Martin, Upshaw , Ingram, Barron, Floyd, Hightower, or Kuechly. Rex may have tipped us the other day by saying they would use Scott as pass rusher, that could show that there may be a hole at MLB. The one guy who everybody says is a can’t miss pick is Decastro. They say the’s he next Steve Hutchison. That would look pretty bad to look back in ten years and see that you passed on a guy like that.
By Bennett on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
Tom Brady never ever doubted himself. Story has it than on the first day of Patriots training camp the owner while walking around was surprised when a tall skinny young kid came up to him and said “I just wanted to introduce myself my name is Tom Brady and drafting me is the smartest thing you ever did”. Jet fan or not you got to love this guy
By MIKE on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
WAYNE, your absolutely right. I feel sorry for classy players in this organization. This has become the norm for the Jets, outrageous free agent signings, huge trades for draft picks or head ache players. Do you think Mangold, Brick and Harris might be even slightly regretting signing long term contracts with this circus. This is the exact opposite of what great organizations do. This team has done a 180 since the Parcells era.
One thing for sure, it’s never boring and always frustrating being a Jets fan.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
Totally agree with you on the rule change, Randy, thanks for having the guts to say it. wayne, that’s a very good pt about what Revis said and this insanely loose ship Rex runs whereby if one of his stars (Sanchez, Holmes, Revis) says or does something stupid or ineffective it’s fine but if some new guy does it (McKnight, Kerley, McElroy) it’s not cool. I was shocked that Revis, who’s usually so soft-spoken in the media, would go on TV and say anything like that about the LR much less about any other HC in the NFL. My friend from Brooklyn, my age and as long-suffering a fan as me, said last night that Rex shoulda been fired the second he admitted he didn’t have “the pulse of the LR.” I hadn’t looked at it that way but I think he’s right.
By Gregg from CA on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
Uh, Bennett – why do you use the past tense and say “McElroy should have had a shot”? He was GETTING a shot last year, when he got hurt. They haven’t even started camp yet THIS year! Just because Tebow is here it doesn’t mean that nobody else gets to do drills or practice, that’s what OTAs and Camps are for. Granted, it may not be a GREAT shot, but if McElroy was projected as the #2 for the upcoming season and the Jets didn’t pick up an established backup, everyone would be screaming at how irresponsible the execs were!
Correct me if I’m wrong, Randy, but isn’t McElroy in the same NFL boat as any rookie this year, with zero time accrued?
By Randy Lange on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
Gregg, if you’re asking what McElroy’s roster status is, he’s considered a second-year player because he spent all of last year on injured reserve. But of course in terms of experience, he’s similar to any other “first-year player” who was a final cut last year and spent the entire year on an NFL practice squad.
By Another Tom on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
The ” Experts” say that DeCastro is athletic enough to play all 5 OL positions. Sounds like a valauble player to have..and a no brainer pick. I hope We dont pass on Him if He’s still available
By scjoe on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
Mike, I think Decastro would be the safest pick. I think Poe would be the pick with the most upside. I think Richardson would be the one who brings the most immediate impact. Of course it comes down to IF each is still there. Just not sold on Upshaw, and Barron (if healthy) would fill an immediate need, regardless of what people think about choosing a safety that high.
By 40 year fan on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
I like Ingram , kuechly ,or Upshaw in 1st , I don’t think we can wait for the 2nd round …
By 40 year fan on Mar 29, 2012 | Reply
What do we need more a pass rush, or a front o line ? We need both desperately , if the plan is to go with Vlad duc I am trully frightened ..
By GARYC on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Do not pass up Nick Perry,as people know, I am big on schools who put out certain positions in pros,The USC linebackers over the years,Clay Matthews,senior and junior,junior seau when we took Blair Thomas,Willie McGinest who I believe when Tannenbaum worked for Pats,so maybe history repeats,and the jets might get him by trading down and get extra pick.Duane Bickett,another top USC linebacker.
By IRA on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Holmes’ story in the Daily News today is one of the worst pieces of writting that i have ever saw. Talk about trying to sell papers? Holmes didn’t say a word. This is what some of the media is going to do all year. How about Brick actually making the comments and not from some source unnamed in the News putting words in Holmes’ mouth. Some of the media always looks to stir the pot and the Holmes story is one of those cases. I am furious and all the media that wants to pile on the Jets will continue to. Don’t buy into it. For sure this will be a very interesting year. Don’t add fuel to a POSSIBLE fire.
Keep the faith!
GO JETS!!!!!
By IRA on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
With Sparano now taking over with his system plus the addition of Tebow nobody really knows how this will work. If you look back at the 08 Dolphins offensive stats and Chad coming back the Fish passed for 3632 yds, 3 WR’s had 50 or more catches for 790, 613, and 554 yds and add in the fact he used two TE’s to grab 65 catches for 904 yds. Its safe to say Keller and Cumberland will have major roles. The 3 WR’s were Ginn, Camarillo and Bess. Not stars but good players. The Jets will have a better WR group than that. Kerley should be as good as Bess is who i think is one of the most underrated players in the NFL.
By uncle joe on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Ira, they should start the games earlier ! I hate the late games, the object is to expand the fan base and with games on so late especially those Monday & Thursday games, it’s hard for kids to stay up and lets face it, if you’re not born and force fed into being a Jets Fan you probably won’t be one when you grow up. Unless of course they trade for Farve or Tebow!!!!!
By uncle joe on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
So at 16 the top tier players will pretty much be off the board. I figure the only positions that will be untapped at 16 would be TE and 3-4 End. Too early for Cody Fleener but not much of a reach for DT/DE Devon Smith. I Love DeVito but Smith would be an upgrade with last year’s Wilkerson we would have 2 young Monster Bookends at the ends.Otherwise you gotta trade this pick,but the problem is there is no one worth any team trading up for.
By uncle joe on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Oh,and Revis, you’re being paid like a QB. You are supposed to be the face of our Defense and a leader. Leaders don’t allow stuff like that to happen at their work place!!! I remember Bart Scott publicly backing Sanchez & comparing Sanchez’ career to Eli’s, alls I remember from you is getting TORCHED by Brandon Marshall. You are lucky Sporano is here & Marshall was traded because they had your NUMBER! PS, Marshall does’nt trip you don’t make that Int.!
By Allan O'Dane on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Mike..there’s a couple of things on defense Rex could do.
Option 1. Draft Kuechly and let him play along side Harris…Can you imagine that tadem? Move Scott to OLB (which he played some when he was with the Ravens) Bring in pace on certain pkgs. Rotate Thomas and Maybin. Don’t know how happy scott will be about that because he complained about playing time last year.
Option 2. Draft Ingram/Upshaw rotate with Pace. Leave scott in the middle with Harris. Maybin and Thomas still rotate. Move Cro to FS (I know..I know.he doesn’t like to stick his nose in on tackles) but he has the range to cover a lot of ground and can cover TE’s. Use Landry as your SS play him in the box to jam TE at the line and support the run.
By Karan on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
I like the new overtime rules, they’re fair to both teams
By Allan O'Dane on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
The thing is by moving Cro to FS, K. Wilson will have to step it up a notch. But that’s ok because Cro will support his side of the field anyway because revis will lock down the other side. So it could make sense. If the NYJ can get a pass rusher and use Maybin,Scott and Landry on blitz pkgs I won’t worry about our secondary too much. But the key here is the pass rush. NYJ just needs a solid vet RT a faneca type guy a mauler to play next to slauson. Memo to jets: If you want BIG…MEAN….STRONG O-linemen…it would be wise to take a look at Wisconsin. The best college O-line in the country…
By Bennett on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
uh…Greg the past tense is used in this case because with Tebow as # 2 and with the publically stated plans for the amount of playing time Tebow is to get will require a greater amount of practice time for Tebow which will result in a signifiacant reduction of practice snaps for the # 3. Hence my term “buried” I did not say that McElroy should have been #2 simply that he should have had a “shot” as regards to his play time against the first teams of opponents in pre-season games to see his true capability. I grant you he did play last year prior to injury however was it not against the 2nd and 3rd string of the opposition using the Jets 2nd and 3rd players ? He should have started a pre-season game or two before the burial thats all
By IRA on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
uncle joe, Thats a good idea move the 1pm starts to 12pm.
alan,
Rotate Upshaw no way sorry. This years first rd pick has to be a full time player and you can say we will need the same out of the 2nd or 3rd or any other player they pick. they need to land 2 starters in this years draft.
One of the best drafts for the first three picks was back in 01 with Moss, Jordan and McKenzie.
By Bennett on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
The new Safety our biggest FA pick so far has not played a full season since 2008 and is hampered to this day with a chronic A tendon injury that he has elected not to have surgery on. On Jet Nation they said last night that we are trying to trade Wayne Hunter and so far have not had any “bites” duuhhh. No kidding. Are the patients running the asylum ??? Are we in trouble here or what ? Even the loyal optomist, and best Jet fan here, Karan has got to be feeling the impending sense of doom for the upcoming season
By Bennett on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
In my humble opinion if Tebow is going to have 15-20 snaps a game the only way for this to work is if he has his OWN dedicated practice and coach otherwise the amount of snaps for the #1 is going way down and will have a determental effect on HIS play. You can do drills, practice and run around all you want but you HAVE TO RUN PLAYS, Dedicated, real playbook plays and you have to do it over and over again and with the players who will be expected to do it come game time. Tebow is going to have plays designed for him and his skill set, you are talking alot of practice time here, last thing they are going to worry about is McElroy gettig sufficent work…. as I see it buried at 3 skill or no skill
By uncle joe on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Ira, I don’t even read these unnamed source quotes anymore, even the quotes from named sources are moved around and played with to make it look negative. No one wants to read about the Jets doing good. The only way to stop it is to win! And it just so happens that our beloved team only wins when people think they won’t,so I guess I should start planning my SUPERBOWL PARTY,Baby!!!!!!
By uncle joe on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Ingrim is NOT a 3-4 end or linebacker and Upshaw is a slow BUST! Barron is a risk at 16. Would love to see us get FS/CB Trumaine Johnson and 3-4 LB Bruce Irving in the later rounds. TRADE THE 16TH PICK,,,,,PLEASE!
By larry on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Would everyone get of Rex’s back. Other than The fish who have we had to take us anywhere ? none Rex has his faults but a great man will adnit it, he has. A JET since the start I have seen it all and when a player of any kind like Revis with the pay he is receiving, he should just do his job, not jump on every band wagon. Rex will fix this, give him time.
By scjoe on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
NEWSFLASH….Jets sign WR Scotty McKnight. Pair that signing up with the recent blockbuster deal to obtain S C teammate Kris O’Dowd and Jet fans can now start lining up for their SB tickets. C’mon man!! this resigning has Mark Sanchez written all over it. A 5’11″ WR who runs somewhere in the 4.8 range? Really??
By Bennett on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Some where along the line the old fashioned concept of honest dealing is now being ridiculed… what a shame. Sure football is a business,but even in the most cut-throat business an honest approach is always the best. Stanton was obviousley very angry about the Tebow deal and said the Jets lied to him and betrayed him… not exactley the image the FO would want to attract other FA’s don’t you think?. T-baum did not forget some basic rules, sadly he never learned them. Very simple 1. never make a promise unless you are 100% sure you can keep it … 2.. never break a promise once made.. you than become one of those old fashioned, rare types the “man of his word ” I’m sure Stanton was also thrilled to have learned about it in the media
By Bennett on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Stanton came to the Jets and signed a contract with the UNDERSTANDING he was to be #2 This is not something you can or would put in a contract he TOOK SOMEONES WORD he would be #2 he relied on and believed that persons WORD to make the decision to come here. What a surprise that he would feel betrayed and of all things lied to ?.. I think the fact the didn’t have the common decency to call him and give him the “heads up” is what really got him mad. When he says, and the idiot national picks up, that he was lied and betrayed by the Jets this is not good for the Jets image Yeah lets trust the Jets the never lie I want to sign with them. after all they said I would….. any one remember that old saying “honesty is the best policy ” how dumb
By Karan on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
The media will comstantly be on the Jets all season, like a monkey ripping into a cupcake.
By robertpapalia on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
The only thing about Cromartie swiching to safety is that he can`t tackle! Has everybody forgetten the Giants game when Cro whiffed aginst Victor Cruz and Cruz raced down the sideline for the game`s turning point td. If he had made that tackle who knows how things may have played out. Anyway the Jets need to draft a safety somewhere in the draft. Case closed.
By king omk on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
The game is football! Score or go home.
By Bennett on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Other than signing an invalid for S, making sure we keep the worst tackle in football, getting a WR no one ever heard of and signing the most controversial player in history, thing are going good. Right? We only need a backup center a tackle another safety or two ( with 2 good legs this time, lets spring for it we have some money ) some linebackers, a WR a CB or two, a pass rusher a RB and then just a couple more assorted key postions then add just a couple more tons of depth so we can be like other teams and actually have an offensive line if our Center goes down… and we are set… Weeee!!!! Superbowl Sunday we a comin…baaaaaby we aaaaa coooomin …we comin faaaaast baaaaaby… watch out you Patttttiiiieeessss now WE be cominnnn
By Bennett on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Smartest thing this team ever did was sign O’Dowd …nuf said!
By SCfromNY on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Ira: True what you said about Sporano and Chad the season they went to the playoffs BUT Sanchez is not Pennington and IMO never will be. Does Sanchez have a stronger arm? YES, but who cares? Remember Jeff George?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
I think it’s worth taking the risk on moving Wilson up to start, Allan, especially because that’s what your #1 picks are supposed to be able to do after 3 yrs. Agree with you about Wisconsin, too, I watch the Badgers very carefully because one of my oldest friends has lived in Madison since ’78, that’s a school we should be picking much more from. GaryC, keep it up on your school-specific targeting of players…but you might wanna rethink UMass after the way Ducasse looks so far…
By Erik on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
The problem is, you basically have a high probability of losing the game without an answer back if you lose the coin toss. Look at hockey, they would never have a shootout decide a playoff game, you play the game, if tied keep adding 20 min periods until a score. But with football, you can’t do it the same way. I personally like the college rules, each team starts at the opposing 20 or 25 or whatever, can score and the other team has an answer. after 3rd round, you have to score a touchdown, no FG. I always hated the NFL OT rules, you lose the toss, and your defense it tanked, you’re screwed, and I’m sorry but it would be an awful way to lose a superbowl after a good game.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
JOIN THE NEW YORK JETS REVOLUTION! To win big these days, you need an elite QB, a complete HC, and a D that can handle big WRs and TEs. We have “ground and pound,” Tebow in the Wildcat, a HC who learns his team’s O in his 3rd yr, no pass rush, and the worst safetys in the league, which overburdens our great CBs. Who’s really “fine with this”? We also have a GM who’d rather make foolishly flashy pickups than build a roster and an owner who seems more into selling PSLs and T-shirts than winning SBs. Maybe this is okay if you’re a casual fan but it’s lame if you believe that THE JET CULTURE WE NEED IS ONE BASED ON EXCELLENCE, NOT MEDIOCRITY! Rex has also disgraced the Jets with his vulgarity, of course, but that’s minor by comparison…
By eddie on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
football is about 130 years old?…So why they using rules were adopted over 100 years ago…Example, all this talk about players safety,etc., Why the NFL look where the game being played…The Field! The dimensions was adopted over 110 yrs ago, when players were slower, smaller, and not as strong as today’s players. The field is too small for today’s players… Why can’t the Committee look at the field dimension and see by widening the field it will give the player more space thus less contact and make the game evem more wide open…that alone will increase player’s safety and bring more excitement to the game…As far as OT rule, I have a better solution. Give each team 2 minutes put the ball on their 40 yds line and try to score.
By Bennett on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
My good friend and fellow posting fan Jet Fan 64 Tom… yeah I would say that it is not to much to expect one of our picks to be able to start after 3 years… if I live long enought I might even get to see ” Vlad the Impaler” as a stater…. awwww… lets not get crazy here now….
By Bennett on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Lets look on the positive side here as it is only fair.. HC who is a defense expert and knows how to make a #1 defense, new Offensive Coach, with new ideas, the ulitamate wildcat ( and for that matter wildcard ) QB, great core of solid vets, the best CB in the game, best Center in the game, a big play WR, a QB now seasoned and motivated a RB that is poised to break out, lots of picks incld. a nice #16 and last but not least a lot of raw untested young guns ready to step up and win. How was that Karan ???
By Tom Spicer on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
With the 16th pick it will come down to this. In no particular order 1 luck 2 rg3 3 tannehill 4 kalil 5 reiff 6 richardson 7 blackmon 8 claiborne 9 poe 10 ingram will be gone. That leaves us to pick from 1 floyd 2 barron 3 martin 4 decastro 5 brockers 6 coples 7 perry 8 mercilus 9 upshaw. I just named 19 guys we are getting one of these I can not see them going anywhere else.
By Bennett on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
NEWS FLASH This reporter unwilling to allow the freedom of the press to be stifled by various impediments such as restraining orders, contempt of court citations, and the threats of confinement to a mental facility decided to seek comment from Coach Ryan regarding the O’Dowd disapparence somewhere in the vastness of Mexico Due to the impediments mentioned above this reporter found it necessay to conceal himself in the rear seat of Coach Ryans vehicle, under a blanket, to await the depature of the Coach for work the next morning in order to seek comment. After a long uncomfortable night the Coach did indeed appear as this reporter had expected and did indeed enter the vehicle and drive off. Then an explicable and alarming… (cont )
By Bennett on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
NEWS FLASH (CONT.) thing happened. The Coach must have an evident and unknown to this reporter, nervous condition because when I arose from under the blanket to seek comment he began a high pitched scream simultaneously trying to exit the vehicle while it was MOVING at what this reporter estimates a good 40 mph..The crazed Coach actually opened the door to exit forgetting he was restrained by the seatbelt and was dragged a good distance entangled in the seat restraints while the vehicle careened across several front yards finally stopping when a parked Dump truck was struck. This reporter decided to exit the area without seeking comment from the Coach untile he regains his composure. We hope he gets the help he needs for this condition
By Gregg from CA on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Sorry, Bennett – been posting on this topic and the previous one, and some comments are crossing in the night.
I agree that during the season there is little time for reps, but the OTAs and minicamps are not about 11-on-11 drills, they are about individual and position-group drills. Players will get watched and evaluated, so I’m not too concerned that McElroy has already been decided on OR ignored. I think he got a LOT of playing time last preseason, and all of it looked good, so that impression should carry over. The difference between naming a QB as #2 or #3 has more to do with gameday rules than actual depth chart.
By Gregg from CA on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
I’ll stay here on the current topic, but I want to revisit the second-year status for McElroy, Randy. I was referring more to the NFL status of a player that never sees the active roster. Doesn’t a player need a specific amount of activity to have it count as a “league year” for the purposes of free agency, practice squad, etc.? That’s what I was asking about. I know it counts for the contract period regardless, but I thought FA was based on activity.
By Gregg from CA on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
I’ll throw one more caution out here:
Don’t accept “news” as gospel about a player’s health or current abilities. The team has the opportunity to not only review medical files and consult with staff from the previous team, they have medical personnel and trainers of their own that do in-depth analysis. If the perception that Landry was not “football ready” held true, I don’t think they would have completed the deal. That’s not to say that he won’t reinjure himself, but Rex even addressed that concern by saying that they have a plan in place to condition him better for the way he plays.
By Gregg from CA on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
If you do a THOROUGH read through the NFL.com and ESPN sites, you’re bound to find an expert, or insider, or whatever, opinion on BOTH sides of each questionable decision. Oddly enough, it’s media people that bash the Jets the most, and former NFL players and coaches that take a more subdued approach and list the factors that are actually positive. Plenty of pundits argued that picking up Peyton would be a risk and wasn’t a great plan for some teams, yet when Woody says that they DECIDED not to pursue him, he’s called an ignorant idiot. I would agree if he said they never even considered it, and I don’t like the Tebow trade based on the hype factor, but I don’t have a say.
(cont)
By Gregg from CA on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
cont…
There were another dozen teams that didn’t “declare” for the Peyton Derby, but I didn’t see anyone calling THOSE owners idiots. Liking a player is a personal preference, respecting a player regardless of your dislike is a matter of integrity, but you can’t claim RIGHT or WRONG about future outcomes of choosing a player. Peyton might light up the Broncos this year, or HE might get lit up. By the end of the year, we’ll know. Same thing with the Jets success.
By Frank on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Another Tom, I said it several weeks ago if DeCastro is available at 16 we must take him. We can move Slauson outside where he played in college and compete with Hunter. This utter nonsense of moving Cro to safety is complete folly. You don’t break up a strength our CB position to cover a weakness at safety. You don’t allocate 8 mil to a safety position, put a guy there that can’t tackle and who doesn’t play zone well. They need to sign Bell and I have no idea what they are waiting on. You can bet your Cheerios Rex is bringing Leonhard back as soon as he is healthy. Also this nonsense of Scott at OLB? He is not a pass rusher and he can’t cover anyone!
If they sign Bell, Edwards and draft DeCastro I would be very happy with those moves.
By GARYC on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
JetFanTom,I am talking about schools who put out prospects over years, like penn state linebackers,tennessee wideouts,usc linebackers and offensive lineman.boston college offensive line,just look it up.last time I looked not many superstars getting drafted out of UMASS EXCEPT DR. J.
By joe on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
PLAIN FACTS if someone WHO HAD NEVER SEEN A FOOTBALL IN THEIR LIFE BOUGHT A DRAFT MAGAZINE 2 minutes before the Nfl drafts the past 5 years THEY COULD EASILY DO BETTER THAT WHAT MIKE T scouting team has done the last 5 years.MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of dollars(scouting ) SPENT TO DRAFT early round busts like GHOLSTEN SANCHEZ CLEMONS WILSON DUCCASSE WILKERSON .(the later rounds are equally pathethic )No team could possibly contend for a sb drafting such players .
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
larry, if you’ve been watching the Jets since the start, then you surely must’ve realized by now that Rex’s idea of head coaching is basically gimmicks. He ran a gimmick D that worked for a short time, then he and Mr T failed to get younger, faster, and stronger at DL, LB, and S. (They tried with Wilk, who’s doing well, and K Ellis, who they should play more.) Now after realizing that he might’ve picked the wrong QB, Rex is rolling out a gimmick O, laughably expecting the NFL to be scared of things Tebow is gonna do that “you can’t imagine.” I ask you and all the other folks here who often talk as sophisticatedly as NFL coaches: Do you really think this gimmickry is the best a Jet HC can do? Don’t you think you could do better as HC?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
I read Brick’s highly qualified (incredibly qualified, really) semi-kinda-sorta endorsement of Tebow today, which is laced with what the press is for lack of a better term calling “curiosity.” Sorry, sports fans, “curiosity” is not what I want my OL guys feeling about the QB situation, not now and not during the yr. I read also that Holmes declined to comment on the Tebow trade. Ambiguity 101: Holmes may have behaved badly (I say “may have” ’cause I wasn’t there) but he’s also one of the only big-play O stars the Jets have had in yrs. I couldn’t blame him if his plan was just to play out this yr and then say, “Okay, look, if you don’t get serious about the QB situation at a time when passing rules the NFL, trade me to someone who will.”
By GARYC on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Randy,I might not have seen this anywhere but are compensatory picks paid the same as others and if so can you see jets not using all the compensatories to sign them as college free agents to save on salary structure.
By Randy Lange on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
GARYC, compensatory picks are just like any other draft picks when it comes to negotiating contracts. I expect the Jets to select a player with each of their four compensatory picks.
By westcoastJET28 on Mar 30, 2012 | Reply
Have any of you guys see this version of the fans version of the 2012 Nike Combat Jersey?
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/006/3/e/new_york_jets_alternate_by_drunkenmoonkey-d36j7dk.png
I think it looks pretty cool. Compared to this one:
http://uniformsleuth.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/NewYorkJets1.jpg
Although, I kind of like the black. I am a big fan of black, when it is done right.
There is also this version, which seems more likely, cause of how minimal the changes are:
http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles3/117010/projects/833801/9b4346ee07946c09d7987cb53152abff.png
I am excited, can’t wait until this coming Tuesday!!
By IRA on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
I know they like Schlauderaff but i think they made a mistake not resigning Turner. Not only does he give you great depth he can play every postion on the OL. This was clearly a cost saving move but i think it was a bad decision. Too bad. Love what Tebow said yesterday he is a class act and will only help this team as long as Mark and Rex can deal with the distractions.
GO JETS!!!!
By Fran on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
I will admit that I here because of TT, and I have read your messages the last couple of days and I find it is time to enter the talk First about your guy Sanchez seems to me sometimes he is good but looks bad and other times he is bad and looks good. time to make the call ajter 5 yrs is he good or bad ? Here is my idea the each start alternating games for the first 8 games and who ever wins the most IS THE STARTER, problem solved , simple enought write?? Next this endless back and forth over the 3-4 or the 4-3 or what ever you want to put it, simple just use a 4-4, and problem solved. Again simple Write?
By danny on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Rex has been one of the most succesfully Jets HC in history in just 3 yrs and MS is one of the most succesful QB’s in Jets history in 3 yrs and some of u guys just bash them everyday on this site. It’s actually kinda crazy. As a life long die hard Jets fan who bleeds green I appreciate what both these guys have done in last 3yrs and I’m excited about the possiblity of improving on playing in 2 AFC championships and hopefully getting our 2nd SB. We have a solid Football team that needs just a few pieces. We added a very good Safety and dumped Shotty. A O lineman and pass rusher in draft that can start rite away will make us a much better team then last season. The bashing and negativity on this site is pathetic
By danny on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Ohh also if u ppl know football then u would know LaRon Landy is not just a in the box safety he runs a 4. 4 40 yd dash and has great range sideline to sideline. Go look at some video especially the big hit on Dallas wr Laurant Robinson. He will help us Big time back there at safety and no u don’;t break up our strong pt on D which is Revis and cro at corner and wilson in slot. Hopefully Braylon is healthy and we get him back. When we finish 11 – 5 in playoffs next yr guys like Bennett and Tom64 deserve to be bashed the same way they bash Rex and MS. As Bart says ” I Cant Wait”
By Fran on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Another thing I should right hear. By alternating I mean every other game not something like 2 in a row than 2 in a row. Just want that understood? Now you might have said rhat TT can not threw well this might be true but most of them cannot as I see it look at M. Sanchez he hits about 35 maybe 40% at least. So what are we really sayind hear ? I will notify you ! These days you do not need to threw that good to win. Look at TT I will be the last to admit he cannot and he one 8 straight and came really close to beating that team from Boston. Am I write or wrong hear? Some if you ( not at all all of you ) should check some facts before you right about TT. the only one that can threw is that Giants guy and he is back in Denver now anyway
By danny on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Ohh 1 more thing. A gimmick D don’t finish in the top 10 total D every yr so get a clue before such a clueless statement. It’s about time that ppl that played and know the game of football start going back at all these negative Jets bashers that claim to be fans of our team. Enough is enough with these characters
By MIKE on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
I think moving Cro to FS would only work if he was there on 3rd and long. Kyle WIlson may be ready to become the #2 CB but the game has changed so much lately you need 3 CB’s on the field almost all the time. And the nickel CB is the hardest position to play.
Also there is more responsibility playing S, Cro is better just focussing on locking down a WR.
Now a days a base defence is no longer 3-4 or 4-3 it’s 4-2 or 3-3.
That’s why if Decastro is gone, and I really hope he isn’t, the Jets take Ingram because he can move anywhere on the field. Inside on base D and outside on pass downs.
By Charliejet on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Lets put this in perspective shall we?
60′s Packers
70′s Steelers
80′s Niner’s
90′s Cowboys
2000′s Pats (much as I hate to say it)
and ALL other PROFESSIONAL championship teams.
All have one thing in common…
THEY NEVER USED THE WILDCAT.
By westcoastJET28 on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Well, another incredible decision by this Org, we officially lost Robert Turner. He signed with STL. This is a really bad lose. Look what happened last year without him. These young guys better step up big time.
Fran, you have no idea what you are talking about. Your theories make absolutely no sense at all. Your lucky to even be acknoweledged. You should also check your facts.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Bennett, all your “positive side” analysis says is we have half a team. Building any business, including an NFL team, isn’t like disciplining 5-yr-olds and making them share, you need to grade out highly across the board. Danny, I’ll bet you the house right now that we get no more than ONE starter in the draft, since we rarely get even that. And D stats, like O stats, don’t tell a fraction of the story. Our “Top 10 D” CRUMBLED COMPLETELY vs PHI, the Giants, and MIA, 3 games we needed to win that we lost badly. Landry has barely played, we still need another S, we’ve done little to address the pass rush problem or the slow LB problem. Make yourself feel better with rationalizations all you want but this edition of the Jets needs big changes.
By Bennett on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
NEWS HEADLINE… The beloved Coach of the Jets reported to be unhurt after what can only be described as a bizzare and mysterious early morning car accident, that caused extensive property damage along this normally quiet street. Residents talked softly while surveying the destruction. one saying to this reporter ” Everyone is on edge” A first responder who wished not to be identified is quoted as saying ” The Coach told us that there was a Monster in the back seat of his car that tried to get him ” Local police stated ” We are not going to comment on what Coach Ryan may or may not have said regarding this incident” when pressured by the throng of yelling reporters added further” we found no evidence of the so called Monster “
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Danny, I “played the game” almost before Rex was born, I’ve seen much more of it than he has, and I’m not locked in ancient ideas about it. Today he’s out there saying “The Wildcat is alive and well,” an absurd statement (no other NFL HC uses it — or even talks about it!) that few on this site would ever make, so who really has no idea what he’s doing and who’s trying to right this sorry ship? Ira, when are the “cost-saving moves” going to end? We already have no RT, no backup C, and folks had better stop fantasizing about “moving” Slauson anywhere until we find out at what level he can play this yr. If this constant apologizing for Jet ineptitude equals being a good fan, than Petain under the Nazis was the greatest Frenchman in history.
By GARYC on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
JetFanTom,time to get off the idea that tebow craves attention,you and the media keep bringing him up,not himself.I know his moral compass agitates you a bit,as opposed to your father flanagan bit that you do with holmes seeing it is circumstances that lead poor santonio to do the things he does,look if tebow asks woody to construct a pulpit at midfield,then I will agree he is craving attention.
By joe on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
DANNY saying REX HAS BEEN THE MOST SUCCESSFUL COACH IN JETS HISTORY IS LIKE SOMEONE CLAIMING TO BE THE WORLDS TALLEST MIDGET .Rex was brought here to win SB (SOMETHING HAS HAS GUARANTEED US AND FAILED TO DO .As a matter of fact in his 3 years here REX HAS NEVER WON A SINGLE TITLE OF ANY KIND )Danny the NFL does not award LOMBARDIS for having a teams DEFENCE play in the top 10 3 years in a row AS NOBODY CARES .tHE ONLY REASON TO PLAY IS TO WIN THE SUPERBOWL THATS IT
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
While I don’t enjoy revisiting the Asinine Annals of the Woeful Wildcat, I’ll do so briefly: When Smith, who’s MUCH faster than Tebow and throws at least as well, ran it, our big problem on O was still…scoring pts. Why does anyone think TT running over a CB once or twice a game is gonna put us up there on O with NE, PIT, GB, ,NO, the Giants, etc.? And more evidence that almost everything Rex says (“We liked P Turner,” “T Wilson is the hardest-working guy on this team”) is pure spin: Today he calls TT “an ascending passer.” IS THERE ANYWHERE TO GO BUT UP AT 46%? And is anyone here seriously glad that we have Mr T and Rex, Dumb and Dumber on O, and TT pushing Sanchez instead of an ex-player GM like Elway and Peyton?
By joe on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
ps STEELER GREAT DWIGHT WHITE (on the intro to AMERICAS GAME )There are 2 kinds of TEAMS IN THE NFL NOBODY EVER REMEMBERS THOSE TEAMS THAT NEVER WON A SUPER BOWL ,THOSE TEAMS THAT ONLY WON ONE SUPER BOWL.
By joe on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Pt YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE .In an era WHERE SB CHAMPIONSHIPS are won with ELITE QBS we have SANCHEZ SPLITTING TIME WITH TEBOW.(lol, if that doesnt tell you EXACTLY the state of the JETS FRANCHISE NOTHING DOES )
By Bennett on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Regarding S Landry … he has missed 15 games in the last 2 seasons, he is not near capable of playing as of now, The GM calls it a “challange” that he will be ready for the FIRST game. The Skins medical specalists wanted surgery. He signed a 1 yr “prove it ” deal with us My question is WHY us ? WHY can’t we just get a good, healthy, young S for say 3 years. WHY all this 1 year stuff. WHY is it pay IF you play stuff ?. Is Landry good ? Yes but good doesn’t count if you cannot stay on the field. Will he play in all games next year ? DOUBT IT. If somehow he does recover it is seee yaaa… you can”t afford me now baaaabyl.Hence back to square one, makes no sense. The Skins are glad he is gone
By Bennett on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Danny… I like Rex Ryan he has my support and I always though he wa a good Coach. Now Sanchez is another story. Him I happily bash on a regular basis.The thing with Ryan is I don’t no if he has any idea that one of his main roles is to stand up to a GM that is not a football person and protect his turf. He is the cook the GM is the head waiter each have thier own seperate skills and duties. Seems like T-baum has his teincles all over that organization where the should NOT BE is all.
By Bennett on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Danny.. If the go 6-10 do we get to bash you ? Fran no offense and thank you for your input but……. are you really… for real ?
By Gregg from CA on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Joe said – “early round busts like GHOLSTEN SANCHEZ CLEMONS WILSON DUCCASSE WILKERSON”.
I’ll give you Gholston, that’s a no-brainer. Clemons was drafted as a backup, and that’s what he proved to be. Sanchez has done enough good things to be considered decent overall, but hasn’t solidified an extreme ranking yet – end of this year will tell. Wilson? Really? You kidding me? Ducasse – not enough on-field time to tell yet. Wilkerson, you’re definitely barking up the wrong tree!
I’ll give you 1 out of six as busts, 3 disappointments, and 2 that look promising.
By Gregg from CA on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Fran, I can’t tell if you are attempting a comedy routine, or just not expressing your ideas well. I’m sorry, but some of the things you have suggested are just not practical on ANY level.
By Gregg from CA on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Randy: I asked for clarification about the “league year” phrase and how it affects vested player status regarding practice squad and free agency eligibility. Could you elaborate with regard to McElroy, please?
(note: That’s a first! I clipped this message out of the previous one to separate it, and the system replied with “You are posting too quickly. Slow down.” Wow! *grin*)
By Randy Lange on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Gregg, to the best of my understanding, a player gets a year of service as it applies to playing experience, practice squad and free agency eligibility if he spends at least six games in a season on a team’s active roster or on the injured reserve list. Greg McElroy spent all last season on IR, so he is considered a second-year player.
By Gregg from CA on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Oh! Whoa! Let’s take a step back here and see what conclusions can be jumped to!
I just read a story about John Elway shopping Tebow BEFORE they knew that Peyton would be available, this after naming him publicly as the starter for next year.
OMG, does this make HIM the biggest “liar, liar, Armani pants on fire” GM in the league now? Is Tanny in elite company, or does this just prove that it’s nothing new and that players should take everything that’s told to them with a 5-carat grain of salt?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Last yr Arte told me we’d beat PHI easily. I said I wasn’t so sure and asked him, as I asked on this site, “Who’s covering Celek?” (That’s the way an EX-FOOTBALL PLAYER thinks, danny, not just a fan.) Of course, the answer was nobody, Celek crushed us, and we got killed. So similarly, Spicer, I want to go on record with this NOW, in MARCH, NOT NEXT FALL, since I know this is a subject near and dear to your heart, as Sarah Palin would say: If we don’t GET SERIOUS about the OL in terms of picking up a few vets and drafting someone who can start at a HIGH LEVEL ASAP, it won’t matter who the QB, the RBs, or the WRs are. Also Danny, arguing for building a team is not bashing, but settling for the biggest scrubs in the NFL sure ain’t building!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
New to the site, danny? NO ONE on this site said louder or more often than me that OUR BIGGEST PRIORITY was to sign Holmes, Edwards, and J-Co no matter what it cost. We didn’t and you saw what happened. And since you’re so psyched about Rex’s place in the annals, I got bad news for you: Saying he’s one of the most successful Jet HC’s in history says almost nothing ’cause this isn’t a successful franchise and that’s coming from someone who remembers when we were heroes. We’ve won 1 SB and made it to the AFC championship a handful of times and lost every time. We haven’t had an aggressive passing game in decades, as Wesley Walker said on this very site, at a time when the NFL has become a pass-first league. So don’t lecture me on Jet history.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Finally, danny, I know you must be a relatively new Jet fan because your posts today are filled “hope,” not facts or any analysis worth a damn. “Hopefully” Edwards is healthy, and that’s if we even get him back. You also better “hope” that Landry and Schilens can stay on the field for a full yr, which they’ve almost never done. And while you’re at it, “hope” that this OL we’re neglecting can keep Sanchez from needing another knee surgery or Tebow from getting creamed on sack after sack. Stop “hoping” and start thinking, dude. GaryC, I applaud your school-by-school take on the draft in terms of position, even if it’s what our FO is supposed to do. Maybe if you keep doing it, someone in the FO will read it and we’ll start drafting better.
By GARYC on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Bart Scott had trouble finding a deal for himself,where is Monty Hall when you need him.
By GARYC on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
JetFanTom,If Holmes wants to leave I will be the doorman,to many prima donnas permeate these football teams today,WOE IS ME,WOE IS ME.LOAD THE TRUCK WITH HOLMES,SCOTT AND ANYONE ELSE WHO DOES NOT WANT TO BE HERE.
By GARYC on Mar 31, 2012 | Reply
Answer this trivia question,how many ex-jets have won super bowls,yet ,never winning them when part of the jets.
By oasus on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Um Fran….Sanchez’s completion percentage last season was 56.7% and has a career % rate of 55.3%. I don’t know where you get YOUR numbers from, but they are CLEARLY exaggerated. Whereas MINE come straight from NFL.com. If you’re going to dog on someone’s statistics, at least make sure you’re right before you do it. Otherwise you look like a complete IDIOT!
By Karan on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Aw man, Rob Turner now a Ram. Jets should have tried to make a push to resign him. Will be missed.
By Karan on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Randy is it possible that the Jets could use Tebow as a receiver or halfback in some cases? I mean is it allowed because he is technically listed as a quarterback? I was thinking Sanchez to Tebow could be really great at times or Sanchez handing off to Tebow for a 2-yard run and the TD.
By Randy Lange on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Karan, the Jets can use Tim Tebow anywhere on the field they want. QB designations used to be important as they applied to the rules governing game active/inactive lists and third QBs, but that rule was eliminated last year.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
GaryC, I know in China near where you are they persecute Christians but don’t make assumptions about me. Check the site and you’ll see my post to Med Bow in which I tell him I’m down with Jesus and that he should read Matthew and the Sermon on the Mount. Tebow is EXACTLY the kind of show-offy Christian that Jesus would’ve condemned, but that has nothing to do with him as a Jet. And I’ve also said — to response from no one here, maybe they’re still in shock — that if Tebow can be coached into a Ben R-type passer, I’ll be thrilled. My objections are to fantasies of winning with a 2-QB system, with an emphasis on the Wildcat, and of course with a GM and HC who get excited about Tebow as a backup when we need about 7 starters and more depth.
By Jimmer on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
I can finally approve of a new NFL rule. For the life of me, I will never get over the being touched on the ground rule. We had players on their backs have players somehow “fumble” the ball. That was 2010. No review rules have been changed to overturn those. Both times JETS players were actually kicked while on the ground, but they could still lose possession? And no rule changes have been even offered?
By Another Tom on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
I agree Bennett with your take on Landry..There were many safety s available and We took a risky chance..another curious move…And I thought re signing Turner should have been a priorty considering the train wreck our OL was last season…
By joe on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
GREGG no team wastes a number 2 DRAFT CHOICE WITH THE INTENT TO BE A BACK UP IT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN .The average NFL CAREER IS APPROX 3.5 YEARS HOW MANY YEARS WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE THESE GUYS TO DEVELOP.When you use a low draft choice on a GUARD that pick had better become an all pro (GUARDS ARE LIKE RB -THERE A DIME A DOZEN )
By joe on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
ps Gregg i state the above because a few of my ASSOCIATES were picked in the first and second round of the draft (Mark Donofrio.Todd Rucci ,Jason Peter ,Tony Sacca)LOL NO TEAM IS PAYING 10 MIOOION PLUS FOR INTENDED CAREER BACKUP AINT NEVER HAPPENING
By joe on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Ps 2 GREG regarding KYLE Wilson I checked the pro bowl roster for some reason hes not on it .One of the first CORNERS TAKEN IN THE DRAFT HE DOESNT EVEN START AS A MATTER OF FACT HE PLAYS PRIMARILY ON THE SLOT .Greg FOOTBALL 101; no team drafts a corner number 18 or so overall WITH THE INTENT TO USE HIM ON THE SLOT .The Jets use him on the slot BECAUSE HES NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO DISPLACE CROMARDIE .A team like GB or Pitts grabs a FA to cover the slot NEVER A TIP 18 PICK ARE YOU KIDDING ME
By joe on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
ps 3 GREGG REGARDING DUCCASSE please CHECK YOUR NFL HISTORY Other than LARRY ALLEN ,John Androtti kindly list ALL THE DIV 2 LINEMAN DRAFTED NUMBER 2 THAT EVER AMOUNTED TO ANYTHING .Guess why- MAYBE JUST MAYBE might be because most D2 LINEMAN wind up playing for the local bar leagues flag football team after college. not in the NFL
By joe on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
ps 4 i believe Andretti want drafted by NE he signed as a FA out of SOUTH CONN .my old roomates brother was on the team with him thats how i recall his history.
By Gregg from CA on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Ah! I did not know that, Randy, thank you! I always thought that the whole mess with QB’s not being allowed to re-enter if the 3rd saw the field was a weird restriction. I guess that now makes the QB depth chart moot on game days, my bad!
By joe on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
PS 5 WILKERSON i checked the pro bowl roster then i checked the all rookie team HE WASNT ON IT .One of my ex roomates whos now Head Coach at the U OF MIAMI had him at TEMPLE) so ill cut him some slack LOL
By Gregg from CA on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Also, thanks for the clarification on accrued year rules. I did not know that IR counted as accrued experience, I thought it was strictly based on active status.
So, is it possible that you can give us a list of players (still on the team) that did NOT accrue last year? I’m wondering about Ellis, specifically, and others that rarely saw the field.
By Randy Lange on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Gregg, it’d be easier if you ask me about specific players. DT Kenrick Ellis is a second-year man because even though he played in only five games and was listed as inactive for 11, he was on the Jets’ active roster for all 16 games (active roster in this case meaning the 53-man roster, not gameday active vs. inactive status). DT Martin Tevaseu is a second-year player because he was on the Jets’ active roster for 11 games (five games played, six inactive). G Caleb Schlauderaff is a “2″ because he was active for all 16 games (six played, two inactive, eight active but DNP). Also keep in mind that there are some personnel rules I am not familiar with that might affect a player’s number of active seasons. But generally, I’m giving you the number of years of experience listed on our current internal roster.
By Gregg from CA on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
I asked earlier and got no response. Purely for the sake of gaining knowledge, which QBs that the Jets supposedly UNDERdeveloped have gone to other teams and flourished? I saw people making the claim that this is true, but no supporting information.
The few that I can think of that looked promising ended up never making it, or lasting, as starters on other teams.
By Gregg from CA on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Tom, I don’t have the numbers or timeline regarding Cleveland, but I don’t think your analogy applies here. Yes, the Browns’ fans got the shaft, but a few things are completely different about the circumstances.
One: The Ravens ended up flourishing after the move, so the FO wasn’t run out of town for “incompetence”.
Two: The Cleveland fans successfully lobbied to get a NEW team because they didn’t have ANY team.
Three: It didn’t happen overnight, but over the period of MANY years.
I get your optimism that it COULD happen, but the likelihood in NYC is infinitesimal.
By joe on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Jet Fan Since 64 Tom I go off on these guys because many of them sit behind their computers in a FANTASY LAND (LOL THERES A REASON WE HAVENT WON A SB SINCE 1969 AND THAT REASON IS OUR PLAYERS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH LOL Tom MANY DONT REALIZE THAT THE JETS are a billion dollar BUSINESS whose only goal is winning the SB (some think its the local bars flag football team or the local d3 COLLEGE non scholarship team ect.)
By MIKE on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
There is pressure on MS now to play well enough to keep TT off the field. If the D can play like the did in 2009 and 2010 than MArk only needs to control his turnovers. 22TD and under 10 turnovers is a 10 win season.
If he cannot do that than TT will be Jets starter in 2013.
IF TT can progress more as a passer than know body will even remember MS a year from now.
It’s pretty sad when Jets fans have to pretend to be thrilled about Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow as there QB’s.
By GARYC on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
see jetfantom,the trickle down effect of losing smith,replacing him and losing two more picks in the process,you never know what you have until you have it no more.
By GARYC on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
JetfanTom,better a show-off christian then the phonys who meet at midfield to pray only to tote firearms that night,any answers to that.
By GARYC on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
JetFanTom,any answers to my trivia question seeing that you always want guys who have caught super bowl touchdowns on jets,seeing it hasn’t helped the jets much.osmosis doesn’t work in jetland.
By danny on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Actually yes 64 as a life long Jets fan I seen horrible teams yr after yr and the fact that since REX took over we field a competitive team who yes I want a SB bad but did take us to 2 AFC championships I feel more comfortable now then in yrs past like growing up in the Joe Walton era then guys like Rich Kotite and heck even Herm Edwards ” you play to win the game ” Garbage. We have a good football team just need a few pieces. I’m not gonna go on here freaking over not signing Jerricho Cotchery who I liked but cmonn he’s a 4th string wr on the Steelers and guys are freaking cause we havn’t signed him. I rather take a shot with a young kerley who’s impressive and may have a much better career then Jerricho. Relex everyone
By mudwump on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Say what you want, Division II football figured it out a long time ago. I guess egos prevail, but at least the Division I teams get it.
By danny on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Yes Joe you can bash me if we win just 6 games but I just don’t see it. We have a solid D and if we can get a RT then MS will have a much better yr along with our running game. Someone said how can we win with Sparano who got fired well he was a HC when he got fired and we all know that job aint for everyone. He may be better suited as a OC and also with the ppl in charge in Miami I don’t see any coach being successful. I truly feel SHOTTY hurt this team really bad last yr and actually 2 yrs ago AFC championship as I said before 1st and goal and we throw 1st 3 downs then run LT on 4th down only to get stuffed and no pts. We score on that drive REX and 2nd yr MS take us to SB with ground and pound and great D. ” Nuff said”
By Tom Spicer on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
To the guys who are ripping on Wilson he had 1 bad game last year he played well. Also you always talk about todays NFL well & that is a passing league. Well in todays NFL you need 3 good corners your 3rd corner is on the field more than 50% of the time they basically are starters. When teams have 3 or 4 & sometimes 5 good WR’S you need at least 3 good corners.
By MIKE on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
I don’t know much about the rest of the S in this years draft other than Barron. That kid from Notre Dame seems like a SS. I think the Jets need more of a FS ball hawk. If there is not a decent deep cover S in round 2 than it seems to me Barron might be the guy at 16 which would be unfortunate.
I cannot recall a team having such diverse talent. You have the best C and CB in the game. A top 5 MLB and LT. Top 10 RG. And another top 15 CB with Revis. After a few B list players everybody is a C or D.
By MIKE on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Concerned, The Rex Mr. T era haven’t drafted a legit starter in the 3 years they’ve been together. Wilkerson would probably start at DE for most 3-4 D’s and Wilson might be a #2 CB for a few teams but other than that know body is really even close. Sanchez is Sanchez. Slauson has to compete for his job each year, Greene is complimentary RB, Kenrick Ellis not sure, McKnight hasn’t out done Leon Washington yet, and Kerley is #3 slot WR. Don’t forget Ducasse
Mangini era::: 4 all pro’s, Leon, Brad Smith, Keller
Enough Said.
By MIKE on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
Woud someone please tell me how the Jets got 4 1st round picks in 2000? Has that ever happened?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 1, 2012 | Reply
My pt was that Browns’ fans pulled off an amazing triumph that no one even dreamed could ever happen when the team moved to BAL, and by the way I’ve never met a single Browns fan who had anything but contempt for the Ravens. If Browns fans could pull that off, we can surely pull off a regime change that goes all the way to the top (owner) if necessary. GaryC, the problem isn’t Smith or Tebow or even Sanchez, it’s our HC who’d rather mess around with Wildcat fantasies than face the reality of how successful NFL O’s operate these days — or even learn something about it. (3 yrs in he starts learning his own team’s O, wow, does he want a medal?)
By IRA on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
Looking forward to the schedule coming out sometime within the next two weeks. I think they will finish the season with the Pats for sure. The have to finish with a divsion game and they finished out the regular season the past two years with the Fish and Bills. So the Pats are up next. Other thing is the Jets probably will play a game in Buffalo in Dec. The last time they played @ Buff in Dec [not counting the game in Toronto] was back in 03. Wonder if the game @ Jags will be on a Thurs night. The Jags are really not ready for Mon or Sun night and all teams have to play at least 1 Thurs game. So i think the Jets @ Jags will be a Thurs night game.
By Bennett on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
You think the Jets have some unhappy, critical fans ? Check out the Dolphins then you will really see some hate. It Is kind of hard to sit back and say nice positive things when the do bone-headed things on a weekly basis. First move of the year… secure Wayne Hunter so no one else rushes to get him COME ON what the heck are we doing here… is this for real…what FA moves have we done an invalid for a S and a WR no one ever heard of. Yeah we are signing our guys but does that mean upgrading the team to address weakness. NO…No…no and finally no
By Bennett on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
Henne, the best #2 on the market would have PUSHED Sanchez and been a really viable QB if he went down. Tebow will PRESSURE Sanchez. The first off game he has it will start and not so much from the fans but the idiot media. In no time you will see on the back page TIME FOR TEBOW and the drum beat wiil be relentless. Like him or not we all want to see him in action,can you imagine the press conferance if he doesn’t play in the first game? As an added bonus we will have the national idiot media along with the so called experts and ridiculous ,idiot pundits who will debate this ad nauseaum. Open that can of worms T-baum
By Allan O'Dane on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
Wow….O-line still not addressed in FA….and Turner (who was our best back-up O-lineman at all positions) is now a ram. …how can you let a guy like this go?…A guy who can fill in at any spot…..just baffles me….Hope our Lineman stay healthly all season…this one could come back to bite us….BIG TIME!…
Rex needs to have a gimmick D because he doesn’t have a pass rusher on the D-line…so he uses exotic blitz pkgs with the S and FS…which is why we got burnt so bad from the TE’s and #3 slot WR’s. Now, fix the pass rush on the line with a DE/OLB then you can have you S and FS helping out in coverage.
By Bennett on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
I should have said imagine the press conferance if we lose the first game and Tebow doesn’t play? If we lose it will always be why didn’t you bring Tebow in here or there or anywhere ?. All the idiot news media wants to do is stir things up, this is an editors dream and the pundits are all ready writing their snappy sound bites to have ready at a moments notice the first time Sanchez slips
By russ on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
Sporano’s winning ways to help Jets with Tbow in wildcat..His proven record of victories assures Jets of another great season of championships, meanwhile watch how great Schotty will make another team become a contender….
By Bennett on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
NEWS HEADLINE : WHERE IS O’DOWD Members of the media flocked to the quaint border town of “Bueno Taco” where block buster free agent O’Dowd was last sighted. Locals reported that a “skinny gringo” was last seen fleeing into the desert chased by a mysterious individual simply named “El NIghtmare ” Local officals report that the scrappy O’Dowd apparently started a fight with this individual at the local gathering spot of “El Diablo “.Aross the border a spokesman for the border patrol is quoted as saying.”we are familar with the individual called “The Nightmare” and althought he is a Mexican national he is of full blooded Apache descent” adding further ” why O’ Dowd would ever pick a fight with this guy is beyond me” …more to follow..
By IRA on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
Starting to look like Upshaw, Branch and Jones will all be available if we stay at 16. I think they can’t go wrong with any of the three players. Finally we will get a real pass rusher since Big Abe was here. Unless they throw us a curve ball and go in a different direction. What does everybody think?
By Bennett on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
NEWS HEADLINE Sources confirmed that the mysterious individual last seen chasing O’Dowd into the desert was indeed released by mistake from the maximum security facility for the criminally insane located just outside “La Gorda ” Mexican officals refused further comment. Just across the boarder local Sheriff Billy Joe Bob “Fatty” Parker was quoted as saying ” if he catches him he will most likely stake him out by an ant hill in the full sun and cover him with honey “asked to further explain his disturbing statement the rotund sheriff “Fatty”stated ” he has done this before this is what we call his modus operai why do you think thay had him in that Mex nut house “… more to follow…
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
GaryC, there’s no pt saying anything about Holmes until we have a QB who can throw to him and somebody as good as Edwards was opposite him. If you don’t think Holmes would light it up on, say, NE or NO, you’re dreaming. danny, I’m sorry you’ve suffered as a Jet fan as long as me but if so that’s all the more reason you should see the utter foolishness of this current quagmire. No one’s going to the SB with “ground and pound” and the Wildcat, much less winning it. Team with explosive O’s like NE, GB, NO, the Giants, and now probably DEN can afford to fixate on strengthening their D’s, knowing they can almost always come back from a 2-TD deficit. When we score 2 TDs, Rex tells RBs not to score any more so we can keep the D off the field.
By Tom Spicer on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
Danny, Dont let it bother you we need more positive guys like you on this site. Also dont mind the old timers there are just bummed about the fact we have not won the bowl in over 40 years.
By Tom Spicer on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
Bennett, Good taco now that is funny.
By 40 year fan on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
IRA – Patrick Turner is gone ?
By 40 year fan on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
We need for Braylon and J Co to come back home …They should have never left ….
By 40 year fan on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
IRA I am with you on a Pass Rusher in 1st round …Only trouble is we need an OT as well …Too bad we don’t have 2 first round picks ..
By Tom Spicer on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
Tom Spicer’s 1st mock draft 1 colts andrew luck 2 redskins robert griffith 3 vikings matt kalil 4 browns trent richardson 5 bucs morris claborne 6 rams justin blackmon 7 jags quenton coples 8 miami melvin ingram 9 panthers dontario poe 10 bills reily refiff 11 cheifs dave decastro 12 seahawks nick perry 13 cards mike floyd 14 cowboys cortney upshaw 15 eagles mark barron 16 jets ?. This draft I just posted is the worst case scenario for us. The top 2 tackles, top guard, top 2 WR’S, top RB, top NT, top saftey & top 4 pass rushers will be off the board.
By joe on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
TO THOSE LIVING IN FANTASYLAND the last time i checked we were a 500 team (one TONY ROMO FUMBLE FRON A LOSING RECORD )The last time i checked WE DID NOT BEAT A TEAM WITH A WINNING RECORD ALL YEAR .You are what your record says you are. ACCORDINGLY IF WE WERE DRAFTING SUCH GREAT PLAYERS OUR RECORD WOULD IN FACT REFLECT IT.As i said before the reason we HAVE NOT WON A TITLE IN 40 PLUS YEARS IS QUITE SIMPLE ,OUR PLAYERS ARE NOT GOD ENOUGH
By Tom Spicer on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
What about Martin out of Stanford as a first round pick if the Jets feel there are no great pass rushers left at 16? It fills a bug need right tackle & it lets Hunter go back to being a backup tackle & captain ugly could be the back up guard. We just lost Turner so we will need depth along the line. Also this Martin guy protected Andrew Luck backside as his left tackle for 3 years. This is a good fall back option for us.
By Tom Spicer on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
Also I am not opposed to them taking Barron at 16. The Pats have Gronkowski, Hernandez, Welker, Lyod, Branch, Ocho, Stallworth & Gonzalez. With Brady throwing them the ball we need ELITE athletes in our secondary in todays pass first NFL. With Revis, Cromartie, Wilson, Landry & Barron. We would have 5 1st round picks to combat the pass happy teams in the NFL today.
By joe on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
LOL LOL of our 22 starters theres at least 10 PLUS JET DRAFTED FIRST ROUNDERS OUT THERE ON A BARELY 500 TEAM THAT DIDNT BEAT A TEAM WITH A WINNING RECORD ALL YEAR . Talk about DRAFTING BUSTS
By IRA on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
40 yr fan, Robert Turner signed with the Rams and J-Co is talking with them. They will figure out the OT deal i am not worried. Sparano is no fool and will make sure Sanchez has a better line in front of him. Still think V. Carey could be signed after the draft if needed. Lets wait and see how the draft plays out. If they keep those 6 picks in rds 6 and 7 i would take 3 OL.
By joe on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
Danny i hate to break it to you but at the professional level NO COACH OR OC CAN GIVE A PLAYER SKILLS HE DOESNT HAVE .Rex is a great D COACH HOW COME HE CANT TURN WILSON INTO REVIS Mike Shannohan (KNOWN TO BE GREAT WITH QBS )COULDNT TURN GROSSMAN INTO ELWAY . TOM BRADY SWITHCES OC EVERY 2 YEARS SO WHAT ,IT NEVER MATTERS The REDSKINS just gave up how many picks to move up to draft RGIFF .Anyone that has ever worked FOR ANY NFL TEAM will tell you the most important guy in the organization is not the HC ,cordinators or position coaches ITS THE DIRECTER OF PLAYER PERSONAL .
By joe on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
ps Paytons out in NO THIS YEAR BARRING MAGOR INJURY its not going to matter New ORLEANS will contend BECAUSE OF THEIR OVERALL TALENT LEVEL.
By Bennett on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
NEWS HEADLINE
Members of the media continue to press boarder officails about the status of missing Jets mega free agent super star O’Dowd. In a statement just read to the packed news room officals said ” we can only confirm that it is now apparent O’Dowd is being relentlesly pursued through a harsh Mexican desert landscape by an escaped insane Apache mental patient, and mass murderer who is known to engage in and enjoy the prolonged inhuman torture of individuals over a period of several days ” one reporter than quiped “and how is your day going ” which brought a round of much needed laughter in what otherwise had been a tense news room. more to follow…..
By joe on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
JET FAN SINCE 64 TOM Tom your EXACTLY CORRECT on HOLMES .The man is a SUPER BOWL MVP in the prime of his career .If we had a QB (LIKE ROTHESBURGER )that could get him the ball the guy is right up there with the best in football. Tom you and i both know NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE AROUND HERE UNTIL WOODY CLEANS HOUSE AND WE GET THE COACHING PERSONAL AND SYSTEM IN HERE THAT CAN SCORE 30 PLUS POINTS A GAME A LA NE NO GB NY GIANTS ECT.How many years will it take for WOODY to realize we cant win trying to play REXS STYLE 1980s football
By danny on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
Joe you don’t need a team of superstars to win. How many yrs did the Redskins try it and never worked. You need a team of solid hard nosed football players with maybe a few superstars and it’s all about chemistry. We didn’t have good chemistry last season and it hurt us big time. We had it in 09 and 2010 in which we didn’t have the best QB or RB or pass rushers. Also you can’t say if Romo did’nt throw those pics we have losing season cause if E. Smith took a outside contain “taught in pee wee” we beat Denver and if Cro don’t kick ball on kick return to other team we beat Raiders too. We would have finished 10 – 6 in playoffs. IF IF means nothing
By danny on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
Joe do u believe the Giants had the best team in NFL last yr and the best players ??? No wayyy… They believed and had the right chemistry going into playoffs and came together as a team. Ohh they did catch a lot of breaks too which for some reason our Jets never catch breaks. NEVERRRRRRRR
By joe on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
How could MIAMI let such a talent like SPARANO get away.After all FAILURE TO WIN MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL I PERSONALLY LOOK FORWARD to us running an obsolute offence that takes 9 minutes to potentially score.INACCORDINANCE with JET coaching HISTORY(COSLET, KOTITE, WALTON )and SUPER BOWL excellence (none in 40 plus years)SPARANO is picture perfect to coach here.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
I say this with all possible affection, Ira, but you wouldn’t worry if a meteor was two miles away from Florham Park and heading straight for it. You’re not worried about the holes that keep growing in our OL but we never even got the backup C that you weren’t worried about us getting last September, which sure cost us in October. Spicer, I may be one of the old(er) times on the site, but it’s not so much that we haven’t won the SB in 40 yrs that bothers me. It’s that we field a team that looks on O as it it played more than 40 yrs ago while in the current NFL, which I’d like to see the Jets approach one of these decades, teams play a completely different game — not “pass-happy” but “pass-successful.”
By MIKE on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
40 year old, Patrick Turner is not gone. Robert Turner is though.
Ducasse is a major bust. He was drafted because of his brute strength, but has foot work or instincts as a blocker. Can’t bet out Slauson at LG and can’t beat out Hunter at RT.
And Mo Wilkerson is know bust. The 5 technique DE for a 3-4 team is by far the most under appreciated, under valued, unnoticed position in the NFL. The NT gets all the credit on a 3-4 D line and that’s not saying much, and a 3-4 DE us usually too big to be a major threat as a pass rusher on pass downs.
By scjoe on Apr 2, 2012 | Reply
Spicer, let me adjust and finish that mock draft you posted above. It is a given either Cleveland (40%) or Miami (60%) will select Tannyhill. That will drop one of your top 15 down to the Jets at 16. Well, not the top 15 of course, more like 10-15. I think one of the two that will fall is Barron or Decastro, strictly because of their positions. I also predict one of those two will be the pick. I would rather see Miller taken with this pick. It may be a reach at this point, but by seasons end it will not be.
By Tom Spicer on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
SCJoe, What I tried to do was a worse case situation for the Jets. There is a very good chance we can do better.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
Wow, danny, so Jet fans “who played the game” like you did think the Jets’ big problem comes down to…breaks. Well, I played the game too and I remember guys who looked at the game that way. We called them losers. And the Giants may not have been the best team in the NFL week to week but as Arte kept saying, they may have the best front four in the league. And as anyone with eyes can see, they had possibly the best 3-WR combo in the league last yr. They still have 2 of the best WRs in the league and a QB with a big arm who can throw to them. Oh yeah, and those teams in GB, NO, NE, PIT, really light on superstars…
By Gregg from CA on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
Joe, I hear what you’re saying about high-round drafted players and your expectations, I just think the term “bust” is used too liberally. I can’t see calling someone a bust when they played significantly in their first year and did well, or when they were expected to learn a new position and transition from college and has reasonable success in their second year.
I may not be a football “expert”, I just have an aversion to the concept of “absolutes”. Some players are stars because of the system they’re in, some are bums because of the system, but to ME it takes a special talent to be a BUST. *grin* To me, this means that no matter what coach or system, you consistently fail – ala Gholston.
By Gregg from CA on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
Randy – Thanks! I appreciate the clarifications, and it’s good to know where new players stand. It always seems to come up at “cut” time, whether a player is PS eligible, etc.
Let’s look at drafting skill for the past 15 years. To the best of my knowledge, there have only been two Jets GMs: Bradway and Tanny. For those that say the GM is responsible for overall results, then how can you compare the Edwards, Mangini, and Ryan “eras” and blame or credit the GM differently? From what I’ve read, there are a dozen or more people that are involved in the final ranking process. Revis and Gholston were the product of a lot of the same people making choices. Sometimes, the player just isn’t what everyone thought they were.
By Gregg from CA on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
I don’t know what percentage of people would agree, but my perception is that Bill Parcells has always been thought of as a good talent evaluator and his teams have had a lot of success in drafts over the years. He also picked Rick Mirer and stuck with him, expecting him to eventually “break out”. On the other hand, he has publicly denounced some players (like T Glenn) that have had success – some with him, some with other coaches. Some of his players were poster boys for Model American (Curtis), some for America’s Most Wanted (LT). Some had conflicts (Key and Chrebet).
My point is, there’s no SIMPLE way to pick players and assure success, locker room unity, or anything else. Gotta go on the body of a GMs work, not one or two poor drafts.
By Gregg from CA on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
Oh, yeah! Almost forgot my other point about Parcells. I recall his standard expectation for rookies to be “You’ve got three years to impress me, or you’re going somewhere else.” Your list of “bust” players has a lot of first and second year players, and that’s where I feel that even though they may not have lived up to your expectations YET, they shouldn’t be written off yet, either. Not making the Pro Bowl as a rookie is a pretty harsh evaluation criterion. *smile*
By joe on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
Greg one of my associates was WILKERSONS head at TEMPLE (hes now at the U )SO ILL TRY TO BE KIND lol..For such a high draft choice i didnt see him mentioned FOR ONE ALL ROOKIE TEAM. Parcells DRAFTED MIRER ?I agree with you on PARCELLS as hea a legend of the game.The difference between REX and Parcells (besides the fact that PARCELLS would NEVER guarantee anything )PARCELLS wins titles rex hasnot won anything in YEARS HERE.
By joe on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
psi thought Parcells drafted BLEDSOE
By joe on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
Danny the GIANTS HAVE PRO BOWLERS ALL OVER THEIR ROSTER Manning , JPP ,TUCK ,SNEE ,OSI , THE GIANTS HAVE AN ELITE QB The kid from PATERSON NJ is also an emerging SUPERSTAR at wr (LOL ARE YOU KIDDING ME ) Mannings one RECIEVER PROB HAD MORE YARDAGE THAN KELLER PLAX AND HOLMES COMBINED.7PLUS PLAYERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WITH PRO BOWL EXPERIANCE
By joe on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
Danny this is the NFL (NOT THE LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL )look at the PRO BOWL ROSTER theres a reason its full of players from NO GB PITTS NE NY GIANTS and not from CLEV,STL RAMS MIAMI
By joe on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
PS 2 DANNY BECAUSE TEBOW won in college means absolutely nothing in the NFL.My business partner and his brother were captions on what is regarded as the greatest college team ever.Nebraska in the mid 90s was like 75 and 5 their time there with 3 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS.Both were all Americans both are in the Neb hall of fame, both are amoung the best d lineman in NEB history ,both were taken amoung the first d lineman taken in the draft.All the above and 4 bucks gets you a STARBUCKS COFFEE IN TERMS OF NFL SUCCESS.
By danny on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
Yes 64 the Giants have the best front 4 in football but theeeee worst LB’s and Db’s in football too. Yes Joe I’m not talking teams like the Rams can win a SB but a solid Football team like we had the last few yrs def can if add a few key players and come together as a team not like last season with Holmes and who knows what else in that locker room. You can rip the Jets but don’t compare them to Clev and STL. Ohh btw the Pro bowl MVP was from that Joke team Miami you just ripped LOL Also we have Revis, Brick, Mangold and David Harris so wow 1 more with the Giants and Holmes could be too
By danny on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
Also as I said Brandon Marshall was MVP of the Pro Bowl and his team did nothing. I’m not looking for Pro Bowl players I’m looking for a SB and the teams that get in playoffs or win the division usually get the most pro bowl picks. You can’t tell me if we didn’t win 12 games last yr that David Harris wouldnt have made the pro bowl and we send 4 guys. There is def worthy players who are stuck on bad teams and don’t get in Pro Bowl. You guys talk like we have the worst team in football. It’s really hysterical cause we have a good football team. Yes we need a RT and a pass rusher and yes E. Smith can only play specials. If I backed pathetic Bruce Coslet yes I’ll back Rex and this team. *True Jets Fan*
By joe on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
FOR ALL THE DREAMERS OUT THERE WHO LIVE IN A FANTASYLAND (per the NFL NETWORK) more SPECIFIC DATA to PUT EXACTLY IN PERSPECTIVE JUST HOW POOR OUR DRAFTS HAVE BEEN LATELY.Since 2007 the PITTSBURGH STEELERS AND BALTIMORE RAVENS HAVE DRAFTED 4 PRO BOWLERS EACH (8 TOTAL )Our NY JETS have drafted a total of 0 PRO BOWLERS .
By Gregg from CA on Apr 3, 2012 | Reply
Sorry, Joe, I wasn’t precise – I don’t believe Parcells was involved with drafting Mirer, but he chose to bring him to the Jets when he needed a QB. Mirer had a good first year in Seattle, then crapped out. Parcells obviously thought he could find the player from the rookie year, and talked like it was all a matter of coaching and system, but it never panned out.
I’m not sure what you mean about Wilkerson, though – do you mean he shouldn’t have been drafted that high, or that he’s underperforming? What was your friend’s opinion?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 4, 2012 | Reply
danny, it’s only a certain kind of Jet fan who could open his mouth about the Giants’ LBS when (1) Ours are weak, even pitiful with the exception of Harris (2) the Giants have drafted great the last few yrs while we’ve drafted mediocre at best, so they’ll surely solve their LB problem faster than we’ll solve ours, and (3) The Giants just won the SB for the 2nd time in the last few yrs. You remind me of Rex bloviating to Jacobs on the field after losing to the Giants about “When we win the Super Bowl…” This is why joe’s use of the word DREAMERS for a lot of Jet fans, even if I wouldn’t put it in caps (why underscore the obvious?), is completely appropriate…
By joe on Apr 4, 2012 | Reply
Danny you have the NERVE TO COMPARE A TEAM THAT HAS WON 2 SB IN 5 YEARS WITH A TEAM THAT HAS WON ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN 40 PLUS YEARS (YOUR KIDDING RIGHT)In your above post YOU USED THE WORD IF .If ,would have, should have ARE ALWAYS USED TO DESCRIBE JET SEASONS never SUBER BOWL CHAMPIONS.Danny (whether you like it or not )the FACTS DICTATE WE ARE A 500 TEAM THAT DID NOT WIN A GAME AGAINST A WINNING TEAM ALL YEAR.
By joe on Apr 4, 2012 | Reply
TOM JET FAN SINCE 64 GREAT POST .Tom notice how DANNY said the GIANTS WERE LACKING PRO BOWLERS .Inturn after i listed approx 8 of them for him he tried to get on their secondary ect.DREAM DREAM DREAM DREAM DREAM lol they just won the SB(AGAINST PROB THE BEST QB AND COACH EVER )AFTER NUMERIOUS ROAD PLAYOFF GAMES .Most every playoff team we played all year killed( SEE RAVEN AND PAT DISASTERS)DREAM DREAM DREAM DREAM DREAM
By joe on Apr 4, 2012 | Reply
Danny i got to tell you JET FANS LIKE YOU ARE THE EXACT REASON why WE ARE THE LAUGHINGSTOCK OF NY and quickly becoming the laughing stock of the NFL.Danny the NFL NETWORK made A SHOW CALLED THE MOST SNAKEBIT FRANCHISES OF ALL TIME .Guess what team in NY WAS VOTED NUMBER 5 OR 6 (ps it wasnt the GIANTS )
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 4, 2012 | Reply
Great stuff, Gregg, I’m still studying it all but my favorite pt is the one about Parcell’s 3-yr-rule.
By joe on Apr 4, 2012 | Reply
Greg i havent spoke to my friend about his thoughts on him (AND IF I DID I WOULD ABSOLUTELY NEVER EVER POST ANYTHING HE SAID ON A PUBLIC FORUM) .My buddys who played in the league AND I HARDLY EVER TALK SHOP.Greg it was a JOB to them that ended 15 plus years ago.Many many FANS have such a completely different perspective of what its actually like as FIRST AND FOREMOST A business.
By joe on Apr 4, 2012 | Reply
pS Greg one thing i did ask my business partner was how long does it take to tell if a PLAYER is a special talent AND HE DID SAY WITHIN THE FIRST WEEK of practice certain physical attributes stand out .Hes a NEBRASKA guy thats still at 38 in game shape .Two years ago he was out there working out with SUH and said NO DOUBT SUHs A LOOK FOR THE NFL HALL OF Fame if he stays healthy.Suh can do things on the field VERY VERY few D lineman ever have done
By joe on Apr 4, 2012 | Reply
Greg ill give you another instance some may find interesting (GUYS IN MID 30S UP WILL REMEMBER THIS PLAYER )The BADDEST o lineman my partner ever played against in 6 plus years in the league WAS EASILY LARRY ALLEN FROM THE COWBOYS .Its a decade plus later and to this day hes like very few PEOPLE know WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE looking over the ball at a guy thats 350 lbs (650 pound bench 800 plus pound squat )that is athlehic and can run like no 350 pound man on the planet
By danny on Apr 4, 2012 | Reply
Yeah but see guys I’m a true Jets fan and won’t bash my team. I rather stick with the team I grew up watching and rooting for and hope one day I can see them win a SB then jump ship to any other NFL team especially the Giants. I was born and raised on Long Island and love my Jets. My father was a season ticket holder when the Jets played at Shea Staduim and he got to see them win a SB and like I said hopefully I will one day too. I have said before out of all my yrs watching I enjoyed the last 3 the best. Maybe not last season but we had issues and with the team we have we can get back to playoffs and make a run. Were not as bad as you guys are making us out to be. Btw Joe you named 5 Giant pro bowl players not 8
By danny on Apr 4, 2012 | Reply
I bleed green fellas and no way will I sit on a message board and bash my team all day. If I did I wouldn’t be a true fan who bleeds green I’m sorry. A true fan sticks by his team no matter what and especially after what REX has done so far the guy has got us close twice so I feel good about having a chance next season. Our LB’s aren’t so horrible 64 yes Bart is finished but resigning B Thomas for veteran minimum is great move. The guy is solid and real good against the run especially for his salary. As for Pace again he’s solid not a stud we expected but solid. I love Maybin and hopefully we draft one of these top outside LB’s in 1st or 2nd rd. As a true fan I will stick up for my team when guys like you bash them
By danny on Apr 4, 2012 | Reply
Ohhh and Tom64 at least you got to see them win a SB some teams never won any and a lot of fans like myself never did so cmonnnn if ur a real fan you would not bash them the way you do. I was not happy with last season but there was reasons why it happened and very easliy we could turn it around and win few more games and make a run. We didn’t go 1 – 15 like kotite yrs and that is how u guys make it out. Again I don’t care I only root for 1 NFL team and that my NY Football Jets. Let me hear joe and 64 J E T S Jets Jets Jets
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 4, 2012 | Reply
Thanks, joe, I like your posts today, too, especially the ones where you call it like it is on Jet fans who have the incredible nerve to nitpick about the Super Bowl champion Giants — or even the Super Bowl challenger Pats — while we sit here doing almost nothing to get better and getting excited about Tim Tebow in the Wildcat.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply
danny, thanks for giving me some insight into your problem. So you think it’s all about “To bash or not to bash.” There’s no such thing as constructive criticism, even though half the folks on this site sound to me like they’d make better GMs and Directors of Player Personnel than the ones we have now. This is an unfortunate view but I suppose it’s of a piece with our times — to say that alleged constitutional scholar Obama doesn’t know Supreme Court history is to “bash” him, to say that Romney doesn’t understand the full range of services Planned Parenthood offers is to “bash” him. Well, there’s a full spectrum of responses between being a lapdog for a losing team and “bashing” it, and I think you’d do better to explore that spectrum.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply
As for our LBs, danny, they’re like most everything else about our team, mediocre. Harris is great, though not as much of a factor as a player like, say, Matthews. Thomas is done, Pace is overrated, Scott is mostly talk, and none of the young guys have stepped up yet. And none of them are fast when speed is something that we need at almost every position on this team. If your wife was cheating on you, would you call a family therapist discussing that with you “bashing”? If your business partner was stealing from you, would you call your accountant discussing that with you “bashing”? Stop worrying about WHAT OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT SAY ABOUT YOUR OPINION AND JUST DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO! You’ll find it works better than cowering in fear of judgment.
By scjoe on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply
Danny, I would agree, but only to a point. What you have to consider is what you call “bashing” or what a few others on this site refer to as “hating” is not the case. For the most part, maybe not always, but for the most part people are talking about proven facts, not always opinion. I have been a fan from day 1. I have seen it all. Most of it has not been very pleasant. Everyone who posts here has one thing in common, they want to see a winner on the field. They may express things differently, but who is to say what approach is right and which is wrong when there is one common denominator?
By danny on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply
64 how can u say B Thomas is done without seeing him on the field yet this season. That’s what I mean ur being so negative about next season and it hasn’t started yet. I understand u want a SB bad and trust me I do too but were not as far off as some ppl make us to be. Also you can’t compare our Jets to Obama this is a sport and a sport you been a fan of for over 40yrs. Obama mistakes honestly are way more important to our lives then our Jets so you have every right to bash him. Yes the Jets may make your week horrible and sickning until next game but don’t hurt ur pocket and effect your healthcare. No comparison. All I mean with bashing is constant negativity and making us out to be in worse shape then we really are.
By joe on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply
See guys DANNYS PROBLEM is BECAUSE HE ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY CAN NOT FACE THE FACTS he tries to convilute the issue with an opinion.EARTH TO DANNY we were a 500 team last year that didnt beat a team with a winning record all year.
By joe on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply
ps Danny SINCE you readily admit you bleed JET GREEN APPARENTLY it doesnt bother you that because of this organizations futility and REX RYAN idle BOASTS ,GUARANTEES ECT WH HAVE BECOME THE JOKES OF THE NFL.The NFL NETWORK made a show about the WORST LOSING FRANCHISES IN THE LEAGUE (WE WERE TOP 6 )Comedians like Artie Lange FREQUENTLY FEATURE US IN THEIR STAND UP ACTS.Danny would you care to elaborate as to the meaning of the phrase SAME OLD JETS.
By joe on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply
Danny another point you may have forgotten about IS that the players on the team are paid MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO ACTUALLY WIN THE SB.(this isnt college DANNY ) FORTY PLUS YEARS OF WOULD HAVE COULD HAVE SHOULD HAVE may cut it with you DANNY BUT MANY OF HIS HAVE EVERY RIGHT IN THE WORLD TO WANT MORE THAN 1 SB PER LIFETIME
By joe on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply
ps DANNY the last sentence of one of your post was bashing and negitivity make us out to be in worse shape than we are.Danny NEWS FLASH FOR YOU WE HAVE NOT WON ANYTHING SINCE 1969. Danny ANOTHER NEWS FLASH WE WERE 500 LAST YEAR AND DIDNT EVEN MAKE THE PLAYOFFS (AFTER OUR COACH GUARANTEED US A SUPER BOWL WIN) .Danny ANOTHER ANOTHER NEWS FLASH WE DID NOT EVEN WIN ONE GAME ALL YEAR AGAINST TEAMS WITH A WINNING RECORD (the playoff teams we did play often MOPPED THE FLOOR WITH US )IN TYPICAL JET fashion we lose EVEN WHEN WE WIN AS IF WE LOST THEM ALL WE COULD OF AT LEAST HAD A SHOT AT LUCK OR RG
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply
danny, I say Thomas is done because he’s gotten beat left and right the last few yrs before he even got injured, he’s one of our old, slow LBs and shoulda been released. And you’re not very big on analogy, are ya, buddy? “Bashing” is the term you hear more in politics than anywhere else and it’s just as stupid and superficial there as it is here, so that’s why I use it in relation to, say, Obama and Romney. I have no desire to “bash” either of them, though I may make fun of them. What I do want to do is hold their feet to the fire until I get results, which is what any sane Jet fan should want to do to Woody, Mr T, and Rex after an off-season as pathetic as this one.
By danny on Apr 6, 2012 | Reply
Joe trust me I’m a frustrated fan as you are but like I said before I feel we were much better then our record last season and REX 1st 2 yrs showed me we are in better hands then what we have been in for most of thos 40ys except for maybe Parcells yrs. 2 out of his 3 seasons were positive so lets see if he can get us over the hump. If after a few more seasons and no SB yes bash time and on to another coach but you can’t deny he has been succesful and I truly feel we are better then last season showed us. If you can’t be postive at all about the Jets then it’s time to let go. I love my Jets and even thru all those bad yrs which is most I feel rite now we are in muich better shape then say 37 out of last 40yrs. Lets Go JETS
By danny on Apr 7, 2012 | Reply
Wow well some see this offseason as not so bad so far. We didn’t over pay washed up vets or overpriced decent players looking for Star money. We got a solid safety and a backup QB so far. Now hopefully we have a good draft then we see what we need and pick up a free agent like Braylon if healthy and if not healthy then and only then we pick up a number 3 wr in cotchrey. I rather see what we can get in draft 1st too then over pay and not draft a good young player because we picked up a old vet to please guys like u 64. I think Tanny is being smart so far this yr and I think yet again ur wrong
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 8, 2012 | Reply
danny, we picked up 2 guys, Landry and Schilens, who haven’t proven they can stay on the field and a backup QB from the NFL’s Stone Age who we didn’t need, all we needed to do was make this Sanchez’s last “make or break yr.” Edwards and J-Co are older and you don’t generally win in pro football by getting back guys you had. If you seriously think NE’s O will be worse with Lloyd, SF’s O worse with Manningham, and TB’s O worse with V Jackson, I can’t help you. Signing the likes of O’Dowd and “seeing what we can get in the draft” isn’t an aggressive strategy for winning on your or the Jets’ parts, it’s treading water while everyone else gets better. That’s okay with me if in 2013 we fire Mr T and Rex, keep about 15 players, and start over.
By joe on Apr 8, 2012 | Reply
Danny REX has a winning record BUT NO TITLES OF ANY KIND IN YEARS OF COACHING Danny did you ever hear of MARTY SCHOTTENHIRMER .Marty was an above 500 coach (HE EVEN WON A FEW DIV TITLES ).No owner will hire MARTY BECAUSE HIS TEAMS ALWAYS FAILED IN THE POSTSEASON.
By danny on Apr 9, 2012 | Reply
Joe Rex has a ring with the Ravens in 2000 as a assistant and has been a HC for 3 seasons cmonnnn mannnnn. Mr. Coughlin didn’t get a ring until after what 10 seasons as HC maybe more. How many yrs did it take Belicheck ??? Give the guy a chance Joe cmonnnnn thats nuts
By joe on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply
DANNY to compare Coughlin ,Belichick WITH Rex Ryan IS LIKE SAYING Wendys AND PETER LUGARS both serve parts of a cow steak is steak .Hello EARTH CALLING DANNY YOU ALL THERE. DANNY, REX is a losing season from being fired (THERES NO QB SON IN HERE DANNY THEY HAVE BIG PROBLEMS COMING )BELICHICK(WON A SB IN HIS SECOND OR THIRD SEASON)and COUGHLIN ARE HALL OF FAME COACHES WHO HAVE HALL OF FAME CALIBER PLAYERS EVERYWHERE we dont Danny