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More on Hayden and Some Yearbook Nuggets

Posted by Randy Lange on April 9, 2012 – 5:45 pm

The deal for Hayden Smith was finalized and announced Saturday. But who and what exactly have the Jets signed?

Smith is an Aussie athlete who was a Denver Division II basketball player and is still a pro rugby standout? The Green & White have done their share of cross-training over the years but such free agent signings of former wrestlers and basketball players and soccer standouts (think Pete Carroll, Jets, 1994 and Tony Meola) don’t often pay off for any NFL team.

Yet it only takes one once in a while to make it worth while. And Smith has got some things going for him as he attempts to make a little roster room for himself among the Rob Gronkowskis, Antonio Gateses and Dustin Kellers of the league. As Sam Monson said in his latest piece for ProFootballFocus.com today, “

“The first and most obvious thing that Smith has going for him is raw athletic talent. He played basketball in college before taking up rugby. Without meeting the NFL prerequisites for athleticism, Smith wouldn’t have a hope, but from his reported 4.75 40 time and his size, he qualifies. That athleticism is the reason that he was able to ascend rapidly in the rugby world to being a significant member of the US national team, but also (and perhaps more importantly), become a valuable squad player for Saracens rugby club of the English Premier division.”

Smith’s dimensions are a little more impressive than the 6’7″ and 240 pounds we pegged him at Saturday. He worked at the Senior Bowl this year and measured at 6’6″ and 265, a frame that he reportedly moves at 4.75-second speed in the 40. You can watch some of his drills in this YouTube piece, if you haven’t already checked it out.

And you can read Monson’s entire story at ProFootballFocus here. In one of his concluding remarks Monson compares Smith to Martin Johnson, another top rugby lock forward who participated in the 49ers’ 2001 training camp:

“Hayden Smith is a new breed of rugby player, and though he plays the same position as Johnson did, he represents a much more intimidating level of athlete — one that can meet the NFL standards by raw numbers alone.”

As for whether Smith can navigate all the other shoals of making it to an NFL roster, or even a practice squad, we’ll be covering that on newyorkjets.com when we talk with him, Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum and assistant GM Scott Cohen, head coach Rex Ryan and others about this and many other topics as the offseason continues to head inexorably toward the 2012 season.

Five Fun Facts for This Year’s Yearbook

One of the things we do this time of year, besides presenting stories and blogs on current Jets and our annual predraft package, is to begin to fill in the pages of the Jets’ yearbook. One of the tasks in that regard is to come up with a fun factoid for each player who will have a page in the player section of the book — and this year that may mean around 90 factoids for the 90 players who may be coming to camp (assuming the NFL passes the expanded roster limit at its next meeting).

Not all of the facts and notes will find a place in the book, but here are five that are of interest at this early stage of the process. And I’ll pitch five more and five more after that down the road as we head toward Cortland and 2012 training camp.

■ Mo Lewis lives in two of the factoids I’ve roughed out. David Harris had four interceptions last year, the most by a Jets linebacker since Lewis pilfered the same number of picks in 1994. And then there’s Calvin Pace — including the playoffs, CP has totaled 28 sacks in his four Jets seasons, which are the most by a Jets LB in a four-year span since Mo racked up 30.5 sacks from 1997-2000.

■ A neat number on Shonn Greene concerns his knack for not getting tackled in the Jets’ backfield. According to Stats Inc., Greene was “stuffed” (tackled for loss) just 16 times in his 253 carries, a 6.3 percent rate that was second-best among the 53 RBs with at least 100 carries last year and best among the 31 backs with at least 150 carries. That tendency came in handy en route to Shonn’s first 1,000-yard season as a pro, 1,054 to be exact.

■ We duly noted rookie free agent TE Josh Baker’s big contribution to the offense, his 5-yard walk-in touchdown reception against the Giants. But did you know that Baker was born on Christmas Day in 1986 and that his first pro TD came on Dec. 24? An early holiday gift for the young man from Chesapeake, Va. (hometown), Delaware (his first college stop) and Northwest Missouri State (his last college).

■ One stat I didn’t do justice to regarding T.J. Conley’s first season as a pro punter was that he had 32 inside-the-20 punts last season. That’s a pretty good number — in fact, it was tied for third-most in the NFL. And if you add Conley’ 32 I-20’s to Steve Weatherford’s 42 from 2010 that tied the NFL record, the Jets’ 74 inside-the-20s over the past two seasons easily leads the league.

■ And while we did document Joe McKnight’s kickoff-return heroics well, here are a few items that I may not have noted prominently if at all: McKnight’s 31.6-yard average (on 34 runbacks) broke the Jets’ season franchise record of 30.7 (on 22 returns) set by then-rookie Bobby Humphery in 1984. And that averaged was the best in the NFL in the last 25 years. And while it’s possible that kickoffs from the 35 had something to do with McKnight’s success, it bears considering that No. 2 in the league was Green Bay’s Randall Cobb at 27.7, almost four yards less per return than Mighty Joe.

Confirming Jets-Giants Particulars

We tweeted it last week and it’s been up on our schedule page, but in case anyone missed it, the Jets-Giants  preseason date and time were firmed up a day after the NFL released the preseason schedule. Jets-Giants SummerFest No. 44 (as in the 44th consecutive summer the teams are meeting) will be held at MetLife Stadium(where else?) on Saturday, Aug. 18, with kickoff set for 7 p.m. ET.


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85 Responses to “More on Hayden and Some Yearbook Nuggets”

  1. By steven on Apr 9, 2012 | Reply

    BO, MO AND POE WILL BRING DA SHOW FOR YEARS YA KNOW

  2. By GaryC on Apr 9, 2012 | Reply

    why don’t the jets do something novel, tim hightower hasn’t been signed as of yet, he is better than shonn greene,sign him trade greene and get another pick.I know this is blasphemous thinking in jetland.

  3. By GaryC on Apr 9, 2012 | Reply

    I know one guy who doesn’t want to see smith in training camp and that is cromartie,can you see cromarties face when smith comes barreling toward him.

  4. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 9, 2012 | Reply

    Nice “nuggets” in support of Greene, McKnight, and Conley, Randy, whom I’m not nearly ready to give up on yet. Hayden’s a little harder to get excited about , but I’ll give him a chance. Spicer, you should really read this piece: “Jets’ Dual Quarterback System Sets Both Players Up for Failure: A Fan’s Perspective” on Yahoo! Contributor Network by one very smart lady named Lynda Altman. She says everything we’ve been saying about this folly of acquiring Tebow and taking snaps away from Sanchez and more (and says it rather more politely than you or I probably would).

  5. By MIKE on Apr 9, 2012 | Reply

    If Decastro, Barron, Ingram Kuechly and Upahaw are all gone by I6, I really hope the Jets move back. Perry, Mercelius, , Hightower and Branch all would be premature at 16.

  6. By John on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Randy, do you think the Panthers would agree to a trade where they give us the number 9 pick and we give them our number 16 pick and a third rounder? We would have a better chance of landing someone like Melvin Ingram.

  7. By Randy Lange on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    John, I’m pretty sure Carolina would not agree to that trade. The Jets would need to offer two third-rounders, or some equivalent package, to swap their 16th pick for the Panthers’ No. 9, according to my draft trade value chart.

  8. By IRA on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    Oh yes Randy at his best! I love reading stuff like the facts above. Surprised about Greene’s facts and i really like the potential Baker has as a good role player.
    So all those who were ripping the Jets for not spending tons of money this offseason for FA’s can now feel better. You knew they don’t want to let Keller hit the opne market next year so a long term deal was going to get done at some point and they are working on it now. Plus i didn’t remember Revis’ deal but i did know there was something coming up with his contract. Well Cimini broke it down today. So for all those who doubted the Jets brass i give them credit for hopefully taking care of two of their best players who should be locked up for their entire careers with the Jets

  9. By IRA on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    Revis is going to be paid more than Mario got or probably any other player. He should he is the best player in the NFL.
    Randy,
    Any update on the Cincy game yet? I would think it should be on 8/10 considering Cincy has to travel to Atl for a Thurs night game the next week.

  10. By Randy Lange on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, we’ve heard nothing yet on whether the Jets’ preseason opener at Cincinnati will be Aug. 10 or 11.

  11. By Tom Spicer on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    Gary C, I am sorry I have not had my coffee yet but the whole Cromartie does not want to see Smith coming at him in practice thing. Who is Smith?

  12. By Tom Spicer on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    DAH never mind you are talking about the rookie TE Hayden Smith LOL

  13. By Tom Spicer on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    Mike, I think the Jets are pretty much locked in with Melvin Ingram, Courtney Upshaw, Mark Barron or Mike Fl;oyd. Every magazine, paper & website I read has them taking 1 of those 4 I do not see them taking anyone else anywhere. Even thou I think they should give serious consideration to Decastro if he is still there.

  14. By Tom Spicer on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    I dont mind this Hayden Smith siging it could work out. Antonio Gates was a college basketball player who played no college football on high school & he is one of the best there is. Jimmy Graham on the Saints played college ball for Miami & he is great. Lastly Tony Gonzales hall of fame TE played basketball for the Cal Bears so there is a track record of these other sport guys doing well at that spot. I do know Sparano likes to run alot of 2 TE sets as well.

  15. By IRA on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    Tom,
    DeCastro is not getting past the 12th or 13th pick. He is the best value at 16 with all the other prospects everybody has mentioned. DeCastro is Faneca plus according to many scouts. While it probably would not be a popular pick and even myself i have been crying for a PR for years i would take Decastro in a heartbeat. My selection card would be up there in two seconds. He is the closest pick to a sure thing. They must hit several homeruns in this draft.
    GO JETS!!!!

  16. By Scott T on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    It looks like 3 Quarterbacks may be taken in the top 16 picks. It’s obviously a lock that Luck and RG3 will be drafted 1 and 2. If Tannenhill is taken in the first half of the draft I feel like we will be able to pick up a quality football player when its our turn to draft. I’m really hoping Melvin Ingram falls to us. I’d be a happy camper though if we ended up with DeCastro. He is an immediate upgrade to our offensive line.

    Whatever happens, I pray we don’t trade up in the first round. This draft seems to have a lot of quality in it. Our team needs depth, we can’t afford to give away anymore draft picks. Especially in Rounds 1 and 2, the Jets must take the best player available. I can’t wait for football season! Go JETS!!!

  17. By GaryC on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    this just in, the jets,continuing their search worldwide for football talent have reached out to KOBYOSHI,japanese sumo wrestler to see if he has interest in football and to play the whole rightside,he would take the place of both Hunter and Mulligan on goal line situations,and maybe save the jets cap room,Rex, stating you can’t teach size seemed to be intrigued with idea.Also word from Goodell says in the leagues never ending goal to have american football worldwide,this would guarantee the jets their place on Hard Knocks this year with Tebow, Hayden Smith and Kobyoshi.

  18. By Chicago Bob on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    One thing to be careful about when you talk of Floyd or Barron is both of them have had their share of injuries and might be a risk for a team like the Jets who desperately need a solid pick at 16. Odds are DeCastro will not be there however stranger things have happened so there is always a chance. Either way, there will be value at 16 so we should come up with a quality player, regardless of position.

  19. By scjoe on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I really don’t see how Hayden Smith (TE) could possibly “work out” he never played the sport in his life and he is about to enter the sport at it’s highest possible level. Contrary to public opinion, some public opinion anyway, just because he plays a sport that may be as physical as pro football, the similarities end right there. I would doubt if he even makes the practice squad at this point.

  20. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, what does the no-brainer move of holding onto Revis and the questionable move of holding onto Keller for a high price have to do with aggressively moving to fill the many holes in our starting lineup? You’re really grasping at straws here.

  21. By GaryC on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ira,you don’t pay Revis enough to be the highest paid football player,as good as he is cornerback is not quarterback or a dominant front line player on defense,If he needs to be the highest paid then we better start looking for picks for him,can the jets deal with another holdout from him again.

  22. By joe on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    Sc JOE THIS IS THE SECOND COMING OF BROCK LESNER signing with the Vikes a few years ago.Lesnar had the PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES of a pro bowl player BUT NEVER PLAYED THE SPORT BEFORE How many players in NFL history WALKED ON an NFL team WITH NO PRIOR FOOTBALL EXPERIANCE BEFORE.lol Another simular anology would be how many teams won the super bowl employing 2 quarterbacks .In accordinance WITH ALL THE ABOVE TOO BAD ANDRE THE GIANT DIED WE COULD HAVE USED HIM .SAME OLD JETS

  23. By joe on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    MIKE T you really should place a call to VINCE MCMAHON (what the heck ITS ALREADY A CIRCUS AROUND HERE ANYWAY)MAYBE THE BIG SHOW IS AVAILABLE he never played organized football either .At 7 foot 500 lbs hes got all the size ect

  24. By Jimmer on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, is that Kobyoshi Maru you’re talking about?

  25. By joe on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH how come the Pats Giants Steelers Pack ect dont have time to deal with all the above nonsence.(TEBOW WILDCAT,HARDKNOCKS,SUPER BOWL GUARANTEES, RUGBY PLAYERS THAT NEVER PLAYED FOOTBALL ECT )MAYBE BECAUSE THEIR TOO BUSY PREPARING THEIR TEAMS TO CONTEND FOR ANOTHER SUPER BOWL

  26. By oasus on Apr 10, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, people said the same thing about Antonio Gates…..

  27. By GaryC on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Jimmer,that was a tongue in cheek paragraph I wrote about,I forget Kobyoshi was the hot dog king of eating,I also thought there was a sumo wrestler who went by that first name.

  28. By GaryC on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    JetFanTom,only the jets can do something,like acquire Tebow which has you salivating for Sanchez as your starter,remember things could get a lot worse this year if Tebow is in control.

  29. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, neither Sanchez nor Tebow are yet playing at the high level required of a great QB, to state the glaringly obvious, but at least MS has more often played great. But my biggest problem now is actually not the play of either but the utterly clueless idea of playing them both a lot rather than just declaring one the starter and seeing how he does. Given Mr T and Rex’s demonstrated cowardice re MS, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if their thinking is, “Hey, if we call in Tebow for a yr or 2 and Sanchez STILL isn’t great, we can blame it on having to split reps with Tebow and say Mark STILL hasn’t been given a chance.” It’s this kind of going-backward thinking and acting that has rendered the Jets one of the most pathetic orgs in the NFL.

  30. By joe on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    OASUS ANT GATES i am almost certain played D2 FOOTBALL IN COLLEGE.I would be SHOCKED if GATES didnt have some football exp in college

  31. By scjoe on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    oasus, not a good comparison, Gates played four years of high school football in Detroit. Smith never played a single down.

  32. By Tom Spicer on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, Gates only played high school football never in college he played college basketball. Also Jimmy Grahman from the Saints is a stud tight end who only played high school football he played basketballl at the university of miiami,.

  33. By joe on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    No i just checked it out and found out while he didnt Play in college HE WAS ONE OF THE MOST HIGHLY RECRUITED HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL PLAYERS IN THE NATION Michigan State GOT HIM ON A FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIP. People on this forum just dont realize how tough it is to make an NFL ROSTER .NINE OUT OF 10 GUYS WITH YEARS OF FOOTBALL EXPERIANCE fail COMING OUT OF SCHOOLS LIKE ALABAMA Penn State USC ECT

  34. By joe on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    ps ill give you guys a specific example of just how tough it is. A friend of mine was an all STATE DT in NJ He wound up getting a full ride to Penn State. By his 4th year he was flip flopping into the starting line up.Going into his 5th year Paterno comes to him and says were short at OG YOU HAVE TO SWITCH OVER . I THINK YOU CAN PLAY IN THE NFL AS A GUARD.This guys NUMBERS WERE OFF THE CHART .He played well his last year but did not get drafted because EVEN THOUGH HE WAS A PHYSICAL FREAK OF NATURE HE WAS RAW AT THE GUARD POSITION Dave Wahnstad signed him with the Bears AS A FA BUT BEFORE DOING SO Wahnsted called Paterno for his personal opinion.The guy wound up playing 6 years in the league for the BEARS AND JETS.

  35. By joe on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Physicaal numbers are GREAT but you still have to be a football player. OLYMPIC SPRINTERS are the fastest men on earth -how many do you see in the NFL .(YOU CAN MAKE ALOT MORE MONEY AS A WR THAN A TRACK GUY IF THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO PLAY THEY WOULD ) Correct me if iam wrong this rugby player has not participated in ANY SORT OF AMERICAN FOOTBALL EVER BEFORE

  36. By GaryC on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    with the jets drafts lately, they are forced to take a shot in the dark with Hayden Smith,who knows, before Pete Gogolak left Hungary their were never any soccer style field goal kickers either,maybe smith sets a precedent.

  37. By joe on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    PS A 265 LB GUY that runs a 4.75 IS GOOD but he aint going to break any combine records .To put in in perspective Dusten Keller I GUARENTEE YOU RUNS BETTER THAN A 4.75 AND HES THAT SIZE.The DE-LB from N CAROLINA is 265 and runs 4.4 .Do guys realize the difference netween 4.4 and 4,.75 ITS TREMEDOUS

  38. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    That’s funny about Pete Gogolak, GaryC, but the “I keek touchdown” guys had a lot less to do on the field than any TE ever has. Thanks for puncturing this weird dream that some ex-rugby player who’s never touched a pigskin on grass is going to contribute to our team this yr, joe. You almost have to feel sorry for those kinda Jet fans, they live in a world of childlike innocence, impervious to objective reality, like today on the story ahead of this one when uncle joe says that now that Sparano’s the OC, Ducasse will be okay.

  39. By joe on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    With all due respect to RUGBY IT AINT THE NFL.If RUGBY players had the ability to play in the NFL you would see them on NFL ROSTERS. Guys who do you know that would turn down MILLIONS of dollars TO STAY IN RUGBY IF AN NFL CAREER WAS A POSSIBILITY.

  40. By joe on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    GARY C i can tell you that there are approx 17000 COLLEGE FOOT BALL PLAYERS(jun and sen ) that are NFL ELIDEABLE .MAYBE 150- 200 will hook on with an NFL TEAM .What kind of odds is that .On top of that the guy never played AMERICAN FOOTBALL BEFORE.

  41. By danny on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Gary C I love the Hightower pick up. I always liked him and he’s the perfect compliment to S. Green cause he can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass block ohh and has speed to break long runs. As for joe if you go back the Pats showed a interest in Tebow due to Josh Mcdaniels the OC who drafted Tebow in Denver. I also heard on sportsnite last night that 58 percent of NYers voted they like the Tebow pickup. I’m one of them. We needed someone to help push MS to his full potential and he can help us with his other abilities. For 1.2 million he’s a good pickup and ohh yeah wins everywhere he plays football. J E T S JETS JETS JETS

  42. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    After the complete mess McDaniels created in DEN, danny, he’s the last guy I want on my resume for a reference. And Sanchez won’t be “pushed” by missing snaps, he needs all the practice on the field he can get. Better to just go with one of these guys and unload the other, which is what I’m pretty sure they’ll do after this yr. Of course, if the team really tanks, one or both of them won’t be the only ones unloaded in 2013.

  43. By Tom Spicer on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    Danny, I like you & some of the things you say dont mind Joe or Tom 64 they are just long suffering Jet fans just like myself. But Tebow is terrible he is not a NFL QB & every paper, magazine & analyst ripped the move saying it was a money grab & it has nothing to do with football, It is only to sell luxury boxes, psl seats & jerseys. Add in the fact that it will only hurt our QB & this is the worst move the Jets could have possibly made.

  44. By joe on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    DANNY HELLO EARTH TO DANNY ANYONE HOME .Hundreds of prospects are interviewed by NFL TEAMS EVERY YEAR .Approx 30 of my buddys were drafted and guess what DANNY NEVER EVER BY A TEAM THAT SHOWED INTEREST AND OR PROMOSED THEM THEY WOULD DRAFT THEM .After the first 15 picks A PROFESSIONAL SPORTS AGENT can onLy approximate WHAT ROUND HIS CLIENT WILL BE TAKEN.As far as NE REALISTICALLY TAKING TEBOW TELL US ALL DANNY WHAT POSSIBLE INTEREST THE PATS WOULD HAVE IN TIM TEBOW WHEN THEY HAVE TOM BRADY FOR A QB .

  45. By joe on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    JET FAN SINCE 64 TOM As you noticed this new guy DANNY is REFERENCING TONY SPARANO and Josh McDaniels.(LOL HE MIGHT AS WELL THROW KOTITE AND COSLETT IN THERE )Tom in another post DANNY thought that since Cinn has given M LEWIS 10 years without winnin the SB WE SHOULD DO THE SAME WITH REX .The BUNGALS are one of the few NFL ORGANIZATIONS who futality MATCHES OR EXCEEDS OUR OWN

  46. By joe on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    PS SPICE you know better than anybody KNOWS how critical in the past i have been of SANCHEZ .MONEY ASPECT ASIDE if SANCHEZ is ever going to develop into an ELITE QB THE VERY LAST THING HE OR THE JETS NEED is this entire Tebow CIRCUS.Tim Tebow is in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM AN NFL QB(HES BEYOND TERRIBLE FROM A PASSING VIEWPOINT ).Many on this forum just dont realize that to RUN TEBOWS OFFENCE (EVEN 5 SNAPS A GAME )will inevitably take practice reps from SANCHEZ.

  47. By danny on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    T Spice I don’t think Tebow is a good QB at all but I think he’s a hell of a football player and for what were paying him he can have a role on our team. He’s a winner and leader and I truly believe he will not in any way rotate with MS. He will take B. Smiths place un the Wildcat and you will see him at RB and TE at times. May be just a few snaps one game and maybe 0 snaps next game. Maybe 2 snaps on short yardage at RB with Green in backfield but this is all they will use him for and it will def push MS. U can’t knock it til u see it and for 1.2 million a yr lets see it. Who knows maybe we will trade him on draft day too hmmm ?? I do believe Woody was behind it due to him wanting us on hard knocks again. He see’s green

  48. By danny on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    Also Tom I been a fan since around 1984 and have suffered too. At least u guys seen a SB I never have and sometimes think I never will be man just to be so close last few yrs I can taste it and feel we are in much better shape then Joe Walton, Bruce Coslet, Rich Kotite, Herm Edwards, and Mangenious. I enjoyed Parcells and Long Island’s own Vinnie T but cmonn we are not in bad shape like under those regime’s. Ok bad yr last yr with issues but 1st 2 yrs were real good no not enough for SB title but enough to still feel good about this yr coming up. I know a lot of others agree too I live on Long Island and work in Queens and talk to plenty of Jets fans. This site is where the negativity is at

  49. By danny on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    Tom64 I agree Mcdaniels was a fool drafting Tebow in 1st rd I was just making a pt that NE did have interest. Mr. Joe doesn’t know it all like he thinks. Just cause he knows some ppl don’t mean what he believes is rite for our organization. It’s ok to have ur opinions but don’t knock others like u know it all and especially when u never put pads on in ur life. I respect your opinion way more because u have been in a huddle on a team battling for a win even tho ur harsh Mr. 64 but I can’t listen to someone tell me I’m clueless who never played football in his life. Knowing ppl that have means nothing to me. He can have a opinion but don’t call me clueless due to my opinion when u aint ever lined up on 4th and goal from the 2 yd line

  50. By joe on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    PS DANNY HOM MANY OF THE 58% OF NY FANS THAT LIKE THE TEBOW TRADE ARE GIANTS FANS .ANSWER 100% OF THEM Reason GIANTS FANS love it when the JETS FAIL and what better way to have the JETS FAIL than having a part time QB WHOSE QB RATING IS UNDER 80.LOL IAM TRYING TO HAVE A RATIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL with a person who stated in the above post that he BELIEVED NE WANTED TO DRAFT TEBOW BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT HIM IN FOR AN INTERVIEW. This same person THINKS (OPERATIVE TERM )TEBOW WILL PUSH SANCHEZ.Danny(OTHER THAN IN THE FANTASYLAND IN WHICH YOU LIVE) give me a 2 qb NFL SENERIO where bringing in one QB PUSHED THE OTHER TO GREATER HEIGHTS.

  51. By joe on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    Danny give me a 2 qb NFL SENERIO where the team won a SUPERBOWL.Danny give me an NFL SENERIO where the team won the SUPERBOWL without drafting a PRO BOWL PLAYER in its LAST 4 DRAFTS.Danny give me a modern NFL SENERIO where a coach lasted more than 3 years without winning so much as a division title(LOL WAIT HOLD ON THE MIGHTY CINN BUNGALS AND M LEWIS MIGHT GIVE YOU A PASS HERE DANNY )

  52. By joe on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    No DANNY SORRY even M LEWIS OF THE MIGHTY BUNGALS had won a division title BY HIS THIRD YEAR.

  53. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 13, 2012 | Reply

    I agree, danny, that having played football at some level helps you understand what’s going on with the NFL team you root for. But while joe goes over the top at times, as do I and many of us, I can’t deny his consistent insight into how this team refuses to face reality in so many ways. Having grown up mostly in Queens and worked all over the 5 boroughs and L.I.. before moving to L.A., the idea of the Jets playing in NJ has always been disgusting to me. I was against it initially and am against it now. If the Nets can move back to Bklyn, we can get our own stadium somewhere in Queens or Nassau, without having to worry about covering up the Giants SB banners. As for Tebow’s $1.2 mil, give it to a draft pick at a position we need filled.

  54. By danny on Apr 13, 2012 | Reply

    Tom64 I agree 100 percent I hate that we play in Jersey. We were so close to Retractable roof over westside yd in Manahatten and man I can’t believe we didn’t go thru with it. It would have been great for the Jets franchise and brought so much money to NY including opening up Jobs. Everything about it sounded so good and bang forgotten and signed up for new staduim built with Lil Blue. We should have there own staduim in NY and it’s disgusting to me too

  55. By joe on Apr 13, 2012 | Reply

    YEA DANNY i never put on the pads before .Just what this site needs another HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL HERO THAT THINKS HE KNOWS THE NFL .DANNY DID YOU NOT POST you THOGHT that because NE BROUGHT TEBOW IN FOR AN INTERVIEW THEY WERE INTERESTED IN DRAFTING HIM.Danny that statement in ITSELF SHOWS YOU EXACT KNOWLEWDGE OF NFL DRAFT PROTOCOL.Danny do you know ANYBODY THATS EVER BEEN DRAFTED OR PLAYED IN THE NFL (IF SO LETS HEAR THEIR NAMES )If you did ask them how many teams interviewed them

  56. By danny on Apr 13, 2012 | Reply

    Joe no he hasn’t won a division title but he’s won 4 road playoff games against the NFL’s best in his 3 yr so no ur wrong I don’t believe any coach deserves to be fired after 3 yrs and 4 playoff wins. He should get a chance to build on those 4 wins and 2 AFC championship games. That is absurd to say he should be fired. Maybe another 8 – 8 season then he’s on hot seat but cmonnn no way rite now should he be fired. As for 2 Qb’s we don’t we have our starter MS and backup Tebow. Yes competition is always good in sports and a lot of times lights a fire under you to play to ur top potential. Having a 42yr old backup didn’t bring any comp to MS so after a 3 into game he knew he didn’t have to look over his shoulder. It makes a big difference

  57. By danny on Apr 13, 2012 | Reply

    The more u say Joe you keep proving that since you never played u don’t understand. Competiton brings out the best in players and if MS can’t handle it he will never be a star or good NFL QB. You also said not drafting 4 Pro bowl players in last 5 yrs means u can’t win but we have 5 pro bowl players and SB MVP. Revis, Brick, Mangold, Brandon Moore “this yr”, and like I said before David Harris is a pro bowl player. We also have a SB MVP in Tone. Joe Montana was best I seen and didn’t need anyone to push him but he had Steve Young behind him and I’m sure they pushed eachother in practice and helped eachother become better players. Both have multiple SB wins

  58. By danny on Apr 13, 2012 | Reply

    It’s not a bad thing to have a young huingry QB behind Mark. When u know you gotta bring ur A game every Sunday it either brings out the best in you or you crumble. Good players become better players. When MS had a few bad games in past he knew he wasn’t being pulled. Now the pressure is on and he seems to play better under pressure (playoffs and 4th Q) so I believe as I’m sure Rex is thinking he will step up this yr. If not then time to make a change.

  59. By joe on Apr 14, 2012 | Reply

    Danny as my mothers cousin WAS COACH AND OR DCORDINATOR ON 3 SUPER BOWL WINNING TEAMS I CAN ABSOLUTIVELY POSITIVELY TELL YOU dont know WHAT your talking about in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.(your basically embarrassing YOURSELF)Teebow and SANCHEZ run 2completely different offences (THIS AINT THE FRESHMAN FOOTBALL TEAM YOU COACH)Each offence must be practiced .Practice snaps are limited Taking pracice snaps from SANCHEZNCHEZ TO GIVE TEBOW HURTS SA

  60. By danny on Apr 14, 2012 | Reply

    Joe u still don’t get man jeeezzz. The Pats had interest the same as Jets cause he’s a good football player not to play over Tom Brady or Mark Sanchez. My man all ur insecurities show with all ur stupid comments about who u know and you look like a fool on here. You still don’t understand football at all. U keep proving it and did just now with the PATS HAVE NO INTEREST IN TEBOW WHEN THEY HAVE BRADY. Duhhhhhhhh maybe u should call one of all the major NFL guys u know so they can tell u Tebow won’t ever start over any NFL QB. Teams like us or even Pats see a Football player who is a winner, good character guy and will do whatever it takes to help there team not to be there starting QB. Just stop cause u sound like a fool my man

  61. By scjoe on Apr 14, 2012 | Reply

    danny, just one small problem with your logic, we do not have a QB who has an A game. All three combined would not equal an A. Although there still is some hope for McKelroy

  62. By joe on Apr 14, 2012 | Reply

    Danny AS FIFTY PEOPLE have already TOLD YOU TEBOW IS NOT HERE FOR HIS ABILITY TO BE A WINNER GOOD CHARACTER AND WILL TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO HELP .The reason TEBOW is here HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL AS its only about the dollar WOODY CAN MAKE FROM CORP ADVERTISING THATS IT.As far as being interviewed BY A TEAM IT tens of dozen players are interviewed IN THE DRAFT PROCESS

  63. By joe on Apr 14, 2012 | Reply

    SC JOE this guy is in a LA LA FANTASYLAND as he thinks its not going to hurt SANCHEZ BY LOSING PRACTICE REPS TO TEBOW.(Never mind the fact that TEBOWS OFFENCE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than SANCHEZS AND PRACTICE REPS MUST BE DEVOTED TO IT )Joe he also doesnt understand that teams bring players in all the time for interviews that they have no intention of drafting ITS PART OF THE PROCESS that alot of times is business related ect.Joe approx 30 of my buddys were drafted and NEVER BY A TEAM THAT SAID THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE THEM OR BROUGHT THEM IN FOR AN INTERVIEW.

  64. By joe on Apr 15, 2012 | Reply

    Danny HOW COME JOHN ELWAY LET YOUR WINNER WITH GOOD CHARACTER GO FOR ALMOST NOTHING, DUHHHHHHH John Elway is a first ballot HALL OF FAMER WITH NUMERIOUS SB TROPHYS

  65. By joe on Apr 15, 2012 | Reply

    Danny you also KEEP FORGETING TO LIST ALL THE TOP D1 and or Nfl players YOU HAVE COACHED.YOU CLAIMED (IN ANOTHER THREAD) to in your own words ,KNOW TALENT WHEN I SEE IT .Ihave asked you NUMERIOUS TIMES and you NEVER ANSWER.Danny every time you post something i am going to bring this up for ALL TO SEE

  66. By danny on Apr 15, 2012 | Reply

    Ummm Joe i would agree with Elway who is not a fan of Tebow at QB and dumping him for Manning is a no brainer. U really try to make me look clueless but all u do is make urself look clueless my man, Also Joe I don’t mention any players of mine on here or who i know, i got respect and class. I don’t need to prove nothing to some guy on NYJETS.COM that knows some ppl but never played football in his life. BTW go look up Syracuse recruits thsi yr from Longwood HS. ” Nuff Said u foool”. How old are u cause the way u talk u gotta be 13yrs old. Also I’m gonna mention every time that just cause u know someone who was involved in football don’t give u the credentials to know what it’s like to play on ur own my man or coach a team

  67. By joe on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    Some fun filled facts about LONGWOOD HIGH SCHOOL DANNY IS NOT EVEN THE HEAD COACH .MY BUDDY AT MAX PREP said they are ranked 4000 in the nation LAST YEAR 2010 THEY WERE RANKED6000 .lol they are NOT EVEN RANKED IN THE TOP 50 FOR THE STATE of NY .Danny what gives with all your football knowledge YOUR AN ASSISTANT COACH ON A HIGH SCHOOL TEAM RANKED 4000 oIN THE COUNTRY.NOW EVERYTHING FITS.

  68. By joe on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    DANNY HAS NOT EVER COACHED a top line D1 PLAYER AND OR AN NFL PLAYER BECAUSE LONGWOOD HIGH (WITHIN THE PAST 25 YEARS )HAS NOT PRODUCED ONE THAT is on record.The FOOTBALL program there is NOT EXACTLY a Middletown South NJ or a DON BOSCO PREP NJ when it comes to producing big time players Danny in fact may BE A VOLUNTEER ON THAT STAFF

  69. By danny on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    Joe OMG do you hear urself man. U are bashing me and my program when U never coached any player or ever played. You have 0 credentials to even make a comment on my team or me. As for Longwood HS ur wrong we were ranked 17th in NY State last yr and beat Willaim Floyd HS which was ranked in the TOP 10. I don’t even have to answer someone who is saying danny never coached a top player DUDE U NEVER COACHED ANY PLAYER OR PLAYED MY FRIEND. Tom64 can u please tell this man to stop because he is making a fool of himself. Enough already man just because u know ppl don’t give u any credentials to question me at all who does coach and has played the game of football. I’m sure the ppl he knows thinks he is very annoying and a BIG MOUTH

  70. By danny on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    BTW Joe my bother in law is the HEAD COACH of Longwood as his name is JOHN MURPHY who also coached at BELLPORT HS and u better believe anyone u know has heard of Bellport . I’m done even entertaining someone with 0 credentials ” Nuff said”

  71. By danny on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    This past yr NYJETS.COM had Coach of the week from Bayshore HS well we knocked his team out of the playoffs in the 1st rd a week after. I can’t even believe I’m even answering some guy who is making fun of who I coach yet he coaches no one and never has. You should be banned from this site for being such a annoying clueless BIG MOUTH.

  72. By danny on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    My bro in law theee HC just got a laugh when I told him some guy who knows ppl but never played or coached is bashing our program and says he knows more football, He actually said why would I entertain someone with 0 credentials. OHH BTW he played for our new OC Tony Sparano at New Haven . I hope these last few go thru because some have not but all of MR. JOE ‘hey I know ppl’s” seem to go thru

  73. By danny on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    Ohh and 1 last thing Joe about ur rankings. Long Island Football DOES not participate in the NY STATE championships due to the money they make on our LONG ISLAND championships which is really a shame and also due to the length of the season. LI schools can not be ranked where we truly belong because of this and trust me a lot of Long Island schools would make big noise in those NY State championships and would be ranked much higher then we are are a national level not just NY state.

  74. By joe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Danny you FORGOT LIST all of Longwoods top 50 NCAA PLAYERS ALONG WITH ITS NFL PLAYERS.

  75. By joe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Hey DANNY one of my best buddys is THE HEAD FOOTBALL COACH AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI When he started coaching (AFTER PLAYING FOR THE PATS 20 years ago i used to help him at RBC (google him and the high school )INTURN IAM QUALIFYED AS YOU TO COACH.The last huddle i played in ONE THIRD OF THE TEAM either played pro or had big time d1 experiance

  76. By joe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Danny MONMOUNTY COUNTY NJ produces SOME OF THE best football talent in the COUNTRY.Jim Jeffcoat ,Phil Villipano AL Golden, Knowhan Moreno Donald Brown, Jason Peter ,Christian Peter Damien Peter Eric MCCOO.(GOOGLE THEM and find out how many number 1 deaft choices there were .

  77. By joe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Danny some of the guys i played with KENNY SHIELDS NY KNIGHTS (INDOOR LEAGUE STARTNG RB )Peter Grahm Notre Dame University backup QB .Otis Sistrunk Oakland Raiders .Monmouth University (turned out Miles Austin because its 2 MINUTES FROM THE HOMETOWN OF COWBOYS HEAD JASON GARETT WHOSE ALSO FROM MON COUNTY ) IS A DIV 1 AA TEAM.Teams FROM THE old LB LEAGUE i played in 20 years ago were EASILY BIGGER AND FASTER THAN MONMOUTH .As i said it was a LOADED LEAGUE MANY TOP 50 D1 PLAYERS AND OLD PROS .

  78. By joe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Cont Danny BECAUSE of the amount OF MONEY in monmouth county (in MY HOMETOWN of Colts Neck Joe Klecko lives 1 mile S from me Wayne Chrebret 1 mile N )and FOOTBALL HERITAGE 20 years ago Multi Million DOLLAR Gym and Bar owners sponcered THE LB League .The team i played on initially GREW out of a GYM once owned by a trainer of Sprinsteen .All the bar and gym owners wanted to have the best teams CONSIQUENTLY IT BECAME A LOADED LEAGUE Guys were PAYING Second string NFLERS and TOP 50 d1 EX D1 PLATERS 300 per game TO PLAY FOR THEM .So Danny when i tell you the old WGYM team i played on WOULD HAVE MOPPED the floor with ANY TEAM YOU PLAYED ON I WASNT KIDDING.

  79. By joe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    pS Danny Judd Garett also QB a team in the LB LEAGUE.Danny you might have heard of his brother whose the head coach of a team called the DALLAS COWBOYS. Injurys and work prevented one of our rush DE from playing much .In college W played with a guy NAMED GEORGE ROGERS (MR BARNES HAD THE PHYSICAL ABILITY TO GO early in the draft untill his knee went.)At night he used to bodyguard some Springstten guy. LOL Danny i would PAY to see you line up over 240 lb lb THAT RUNS 4.5 .Danny how many guys did you ACTUALLY PLAY WITH -AGAINST that figured to go in the top 3 rounds of the draft.lets hear their names

  80. By danny on Apr 19, 2012 | Reply

    Guess my last message didn’t go thru. Joe I’m sorry but all along u never played football u just knew everyone who did but now u play my dude ??? I;m sorry I don’t believe you or actually care. To me i see guys like u ever day working in Queens. I got no reason to talk to u anymore on here. Btw I ran a 4.4 40 back in the day and I can still run prob a 4.6 and I’m 230LBs. I rushed for 162yds on Joe Parmatier who played and started all 4 yrs ar Iowa so yeah my man I can line up over anyone. I got no fear and Joe i would love to line up over u cause I will put cleat marks on chest and if u would like to set that up one on one you and I LETS DO IT. Other then that I don;t need to hear who u know and now after weeks where u played hahah

  81. By joe on Apr 20, 2012 | Reply

    Danny THEN WHY WOULDNT YOU COME INTO THE CITY THEN.YOU talk but everyone on this forum is reading that YOU BACK DOWN WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUALLY DOING

  82. By joe on Apr 20, 2012 | Reply

    DANNY does all the above mean YOU WILL MAN UP AND COME INTO THE CITY .PUT YOUR TAIL BETWEEN YOUR LEGS and run away again DANNY.

  83. By joe on Apr 20, 2012 | Reply

    WOW DANNY you actualLy played against 1 (lol lol )REAL FOOTBALL PLAYER IN YOUR LIFE .Odds are if I HAVE SOMEONE reach out to him HE DOESNT HAVE A CLUE WHO YOU ARE ps you forgot TO LIST THE NFL guys though

  84. By joe on Apr 20, 2012 | Reply

    Danny i WILL BE IN THE CITY WITH THE NFL ALUMNI for a draft party NEXT WEEK HERES you big chance DANNY BRING YOUR BROTHER IN LAW TOO. Come face to face and tell me in person how your going to put cleat marks on my chest .Now RUN AWAY DANNY

  85. By danny on Apr 21, 2012 | Reply

    BTW u talk about everyone on this site dude they all seen u never played football til all of a sudden u played a few days ago. They see u talk about who u know so u think that makes u something and ur opinions matter but my man it don’t. Like I said before I grew up with a UFC fighter and know a lot of them but that don’t mean I know more then someone who actually been fighting mma for yrs. Thats just absurd and pretty much that is what ur trying to say. Joe ur the one who looks like a fool on here and I just get a good laugh haha

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