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More Teammates on Sanchez-Tebow Alliance

Posted by Randy Lange on April 16, 2012 – 4:03 pm

With Rex Ryan, Nick Mangold and Santonio Holmes available on a conference call today, beat reporters had a lot of questions to catch up on. One of the natural areas of inquiry: Tim Tebow/Mark Sanchez. Rex has commented on the trade acquisition of Tebow less than a month, but Mangold, who will be snapping the leather to both, and Holmes, who will be catching the rock from both, hadn’t publicly weighed in yet.

Holmes said the trade caught him a little off guard.

“I was surprised,” the seventh-year wideout said during his portion of the call. “He was a second-year guy and a first-round draft pick. Getting trading from the Broncos certainly was a surprise for himself and the whole NFL. My take, bringing him aboard, I think he’s going to do some great things for our team this year. He’s a guy we can depend on when situations come about. He’s going to show he’s a playmaker who can help this team win.”

Mangold said the “playmaker” angle intrigued him the most.

“As much as any other trade or movement that gets done, if it’s going to help our team, I’m all for it,” the seventh-year center said. “Tim’s won a lot of games. He brings a new dynamic for our offense. Any chance to make us a better team, I’m all for it. I’m excited to see how that plays into our plans moving forward.”

Ryan has already said those plans involve Sanchez as the starting QB, but just to make sure, he was asked about that angle again today.

“Of course, Mark’s the starter, there’s no question about it. That’s how we look at it,” the head coach said. “We know Tim can help us, too, no doubt. He’s an outstanding football player. You look at both those guys, they’re both really good players, and they’re good people, and that’s where it is. Anytime you’re on the field, regardless of position, there’s competition. But Mark is our starting quarterback, we’ve said that, and Tim’s our backup quarterback. But we recognize that he’s an outstanding player and we’re going to use his abilities. We’re extremely happy to be able to use both of them.”

How that all sorts itself out, well, that’s what this time of year is partly for. It’s also time for the Jets to see their new playbooks, the offense’s book courtesy of new coordinator Tony Sparano.

“Learning the new offense is going to be new for all of us. We’re going into this season with clear minds, having our expectations on what Coach Sparano is going to teach us this year. We’re eager and excited, man, to get out on the field come OTAs, and even in the little time we have in between [now and the OTAs].”


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79 Responses to “More Teammates on Sanchez-Tebow Alliance”

  1. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    Attitudes are starting to develope into positiveness by both players and coaches. I agree with the statement of Marigold “the play maker intrigued him the most”. There is “no” question Tim is a great athlete who can help the running game or even in a tight end position because of his size and ability as a player. As for Sparano, I have my doubts. But I am a die hard “JET FAN” and I hope we get some good draft picks and all I can say from here on out. “LETS GO JETS”….

  2. By IRA on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    Very happy to read some football stuff. I believe if everybody plays up to their potential this will all work out. Glad Rex came out and made it a point about Sanchez being the starter. Its his job and team to lead. Other reports said Holmes took the high road about last years events. Glad to read and hear about that. Smart move on his part and a step in the right direction for him and the team.
    GO JETS!!!!

  3. By wayne on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    Surprise, surprise everybody’s on board……MS just needs to execute. Cause no body, not in the AFC East at least is going to allow Timmy to do what he did last year………Plus word is he’s a slow learner in a new system(in multiple roles!!!!!)……COME TO PLAY GQ…..come play…….

  4. By moiz on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    some jets fans are not happy about tebow coming over from denver but fans dont know that the jets got tony sparno who used the wildcard offense with the dolphins so sanchez can throw the football and tebow can run the football but the jets can also confuse other teams to put sanchez tebow and shonn green in the game at the same time because they could throw the ball or tebow couls run the option and possibly tebow could have a reciver on the option such as holmes schilens or maybe even sanchez so i think the jets could take advantage of that and draft wise if mark baron is still not taken i think they should draft him because they need at least one more saftey cause lenhord is getting hurt alot and is a free agent

  5. By Darian Ann Mark on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    Mark Sanchez better be the start it better not be just a play for the team and the fans. Mark deserves only the best and that’s to be the first QB. Tebow never should have been brought in he wasn’t needed. And what happened to the QB that was in 2nd he was great now he was pushed to third because of Tebow. I’ve seen Tebow play and he wasn’t any better then the rest. Except of course Mark

  6. By davetharave on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, Rex ‘confirmed’ it again but that information is from the Masters of the Obvious department. Anybody who assumed that TT coming in and would quickly be anointed the starter, please go watch golf. On that note, nobody is going to work harder this spring and summer then Tim Tebow to improve all areas of his game. When compared with the likes of Pacman Jones, Tank Johnson and other unindicted NFL miscreants, this league could use a lot more Tim Tebows. By the way, really glad they fixed the contrast on these posts, could barely read some of the text last season as it blended into the background.

  7. By Row on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez is a joke and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Jet organization draft a QB. Every time I watch NFL network I see his pick and sack highlights. This is about winning, everyone talks about this he said, she said stuff and no one is focused on the FACT that the Jet’s QB is at the bottom of the league in almost every stat with the exception of turnovers. I expect a 1st or 2nd round RB and a difference maker on defense. If the Boise State guy is there in the 3rd, they’ll take him there or trade up for him. I would like to see the stats on points scored from last year compared to other years.. Go Jets (a lot of work to do)

  8. By GaryC on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    when I heard the jets signed Jay Richardson it rang a bell, yes another defensive end from Ohio State,when will they ever learn.

  9. By joe on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    WOW iam so GLAD EVERYTHING IS GOING TO WORK OUT HERE Despite the fact that no TEAM HAS EVER WON A SUPERBOWL UTILIZING A 2 QB SYSYEM IN ACCORDINANCE WITH JET HISTORY IAM SURE WE CAN .NO MANNING NO BRADY NO BREES NO ROTHESBURGER NO ROGERS so what we got Sanchez splitting reps with Tebow.We also got a new OC in Sparano so what if he just got fired in Miami for losing too many games IN ACCORGINANCE WITH JET HISTORY IAM SURE EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT.Jet history is of course ONE OF THE NFL NETWORKS TOP 10 SNAKEBIT FRANCHISES OF ALL TIME.

  10. By joe on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    ps guys WHAT did you possibley think RYAN MANGOLD AND HOLMES were going to say publically (CERTAINLY NOT THEIR TRUE FEELINGS )THATS ITS GOING TO BE A DISASTER

  11. By joe on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    How about this for an idaa the corporate advertisers advance WOODY his 100 million plus for bringing Tebow here .We then fast forward TO THE END OF THIS THIS SOON TO BE TRAIN WRECK OF A SEASON .Woody can then FIRE THIS ENTIRE REGIME and we start over for the 10x time since 69.

  12. By joe on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    AS FAR AS THE DRAFT LETS WASTE more picks HOPEFULLY move up to grab a kid who no doubt will not be here in a few years anyway SAME OLD JETS.

  13. By joe on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    ps IAM GOING TO SEE ARTIE LANGE IN CONCERT in a few months.NO DOUBT a portion of his COMEDY ACT will involve JET HISTORY .As a JET fan you gotta be proud

  14. By Eli Rodriguez on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    IRA, I agree with you IF everyone plays up to their potential. And Wayne a couple of weeks back Chad Pennington received a call from M.S. (To learn T.S. System) In my eyes M.S. Is a back-up at best, I give him no more 8 games. Honestly, I’ld trade M.S. and a late pick to Chicago for Matt Forte- make Tebow the starter with McElroy backing him up. This should be a very interesting year. Go J-E-T-S…………………..but not Mike T or Rex.

  15. By Karan on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    I’m a 100% behind Mark being the starter. He’s earned it. I’m also excited to see Tebow use his legs to gain yards. The guy is an athlete.

  16. By joe on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    NEVER MIND THE NFC Lets compare the AFC EAST CHAMP PATS in 2011 verses TEAMS QUARTERBACKED BY TIM TEABOW and MARK SANCHEZ.Bill BEILLICHICK AND TOM BRADY WENT A COMBINED 4-0 VERSES JETS AND DENVER.The PATS scored 153 points exactly in 4 games (thats not a misprint )and allowed exactly 70.(30-21,37-16,41-23 45-10)

  17. By scjoe on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    Yes Ira, Sanchez IS the starter (for now) so is Hunter, Slauson, Scott, and Thomas as well (for now) each could change during camp, pre season or the regular season, all other positions as well, and that is the way it should be. Me personally? I don’t care who the starters are as long as they are starting because they are the best possible option at that position. No favorites, no politicking, no worry of who’s feelings you may hurt. As Herm once said, “you play to WIN the game” anything else falls way short.

  18. By sal on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    We seen what Tim can do, will the NFL catch up with, good defences will catch up to anyone. But until then , I think he will win games. Sparano is the X factor, will he improve play calling, and planning? I think he will do a better job than the last guy! There were games, and I posted right here, was like Shotty drew up the plan coming to the stadium. Sparano I think will be a more consistant, exspecially now all he needs to do is run an offence! Still need O-line help and a good running back, even with the T-factor (ha). “I want credit for that”

  19. By cgb on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    lets see how OTA’S and training camp unfolds over the next several months.The jets should give mark sanchez every chance to succeed this year. I do not want to hear the fans or media clamering for tebow when mark throws a pick for the first time. The potential for tebow to help this offense is something im looking foward to watching. The key i believe is to get tebow on the field with sanchez at the same time. That leaves defenses wondering what were actually doing . When defenses have to think ,they become slower.Multiple back sets ,and moving tebow around prior to snapping the ball will do just that.

  20. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, by now I’m convinced at least part of the strategy of getting a personally popular but dismal-on-the-field QB like Tebow to “push” Sanchez is to make MS look better, kind of like when Bush 1 picked Quayle as his running mate. All this blather from a few players sounds like so much Orwellian groupthink, and if you read between the lines you can see these guys have no idea why a MS/TT dual O is being dialed up. Anybody can just say stuff about “he’s great person,” “he’s a playmaker,” etc., ya really expect anyone to say, “I have no idea what Mr T and Rex are up to with this, all the other NFL teams are just trying to pass-first well and run well, too.” What Rex and Sparano are doing with the O borders on an insult to the (smarter) fans.

  21. By AR on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    I’m from Texas and haven’t gotten into football to watch since high school, years ago. I know there are many wonderful players across America but when Tim expresses his love for OUR Father, I want to cheer and watch.
    When it’s permissable to scratch one’s croutch as you’re singing the National Anthem , or expose your breast or sing with a crackling voice, I don’t want to watch such a sport anymore.
    Its a blessing on the Jets and a sad thing for the Broncos fans…. to lose or gain a courageous, good player like Tim Tebow! Yea to the Jets… Don’t try to reign him in…please for all of us who believe in the principles of Love for God and neighbor that Tim (and other Jets privately) and most other Americans believe in.

  22. By IRA on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Jay Richardson could be a nice signing. Has some experience and maybe will add depth at the DE position. DeVito played hurt last year and they were thin at that spot. So you never know but maybe they found someone who can step in and help out. looking forward to the schedule release tonight. I would guess they will get 3-4 night games. 1-2 would be better.
    Wayne,
    I still think Tebow will have multiple roles with this team. This is one of the reasons why this summers camp is one of the more interesting ones i can recall. It should great to watch.

  23. By uncle joe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Bad day for Jet Haters

  24. By Carmine F on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Alot of negative comments as usual by the so called “Jet Fans”. I swear our fanbase is just miserable. Have some faith in what we are trying to do. Two QB’s will be a good thing. Since I watched every single Jet game last year start to finish, it was painfull watching Mark hand the ball off twice then throw a incompletion on 3rd down. When we had Brad Smith our offense was way more dangerous. This is a good thing to have Tebow. Last years schedule didn’t help either playing three straight road games and thenhaving to play 2 games in 4 days. I think 2 primetime games this year is enough. Lets get back to more 1pm sunday games for the Jets.

  25. By Allan O'Dane on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Rex & Co. are in this ground & pound mode…guess what? it doesn’t work anymore…case-in-point..look at the 49ers…they realized that formula is not going to work..so they went out and got 2 GOOD WR’s. so they can have a balanced attack. The Ravens have been using ground and pound for how long now and haven’t won since 2000….see the pattern here? Look at the teams with a balanced offense and they are all winners…
    Greenbay – NYG – Saints – Steelers and even the Bears got smart and have become a balanced team so have the Bucs….
    Stop with the GROUND & POUND!…..this has become a passing league now

  26. By jan on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Tm WANTS to be a quarterback. He did not have the instruction he needed in Denver. Had to do it all by himself. I hope the Jets give him the professional guidance, as needed. Just like all QB’s get. He will work hard and preform well, if given the chance. He would NEVER treat people the way he was treated in Yankee Stadium. Give it a rest, New Yorkers !! GO JETS !!!

  27. By scjoe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Good news for McKelroy supporters (although he hasn’t really proved anything in real time) and we are not sure at this point if he is just the latest Brett Ratliff or if he has a real chance, but anyway, it is a fact that the Denver Broncos wanted him in the TT deal, the Jets declined. Rex loves his potential, although he states he still has McKelroy in his dog house for his off season “comments”

  28. By scjoe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    I think Leberfeld hit it on the head in this months issue of JC. He states that if the majority of the games this season are of the “17-14″ variety, the Jets can win their share with the two headed QB system. But if it becomes a shootout? Advantage opponent! I agree with that analogy. We were at a disadvantage with our one QB the past couple of seasons when it came to shootouts, so a two QB system would compound that. Whether or not this experiment turns out to be positive or disaster remains to be seen.At this point in time we have no other option then to give them the benefit of the doubt.

  29. By davetharave on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    IT’S NOT A 2 QB SYSTEM !! SANCHEZ IS THE STARTER. TIM TEBOW IS THE SECOND STRING QB WHO IS GOING TO RUN SOME WILDCATS. WHAT PART OF THAT DON’T SOME OF YOU UNDERSTAND ??!??!?
    I guess we’ll just have to wait until the season actually starts so that you all can see.

  30. By robertpapalia on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez will be the starter as long as he produces. If he fails God help us if Tebow takes over. We are looking at a 46% passer here. Our best hope this year is that Sanchez takes the next step. If he doesn`t somebody will be looking for work at the end of the year.

  31. By GaryC on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, if the jets hold their opponents to 14 points on average you better get another pass rusher besides Maybin, that is why the jets need to come out of this draft with either Perry or McClellin so they have a bookend with Maybin and we don’t have to see Pace and Thomas anymore.

  32. By GaryC on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    shocking that no one wanted Scott and Leonhard but their good enough to be our starters,that tells you a lot about this defense.

  33. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, it’s mostly going to be shootouts — or at least, other teams throwing a lot vs. us — especially when we still haven’t addressed our weak pass rush, our mostly slow and mediocre LBs, and our non-existent S’s. And as joe pts out, some Jet fans seem to like to talk about the NFL as if this guy named Brady to the north doesn’t light it up repeatedly. When he puts less than 35 pts on the board, folks say he punked out while we have 2 QBs who can barely do that vs. the worst team in the league. Allen’s got it right about “ground and pound,” which is as big a joke as the Wildcat, and Carmine, don’t ask me to have faith in what’s becoming the most clueless org and team in the league, especially on O. They have to earn my confidence.

  34. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, GaryC, Rex’s gimmick D comes to an end as Douglas is long gone, Scott is revealed as more mouth than skill, and folks who didn’t believe Leonhard was too small to start at S had to see him knocked off the field 2 yrs in a row in December to believe. Rex is better on D than O but I don’t really wanna hear any “defensive genius” nonsense given his almost complete failure to work draft picks into the D. The only great players on D that we have are still the ones that were here before he got here and that’s, like, 2 guys, Revis and Harris. If Wilson doesn’t play great this yr, Wilk doesn’t emerge as a blue-chip guy, and Ellis doesn’t get into games and do well, that’ll say it all about Rex and his ability to groom players.

  35. By Allan O'Dane on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    You know what the sad part of this 2 QB system Rex is going to run….
    This Kid McElory is going to see maybe 2 snaps during pre-season…And with all the upside this kid has going for him he won’t be groomed as a starter…This is the reason the NYJ should have signed a proven Vet..someone to at least teach this kid while he is on the sideline.

  36. By scjoe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, Couldn’t agree more about the pass rush, of course. But an alternative to that is to actually make this so called “ground and pound” work. If you were to get a Decastro in rd 1 and a Lamar Miller in rd 2 and combine that with the Tebow “thing” and factor in Sparano and his expertise in the running game/wildcat, there is a better then even chance of winning the TOP in just about every game. Now, if you can also come up with a diamond in the rough in rd 3-7 and get that pass rusher, things would look dramatically better then they do right now.

  37. By scjoe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    64, see my reply to GaryC and add in the fact that there are still some guys on this roster who have not really been given the chance to go out and succeed. Guys like Mcintyre, Mauga,Bellore etc. The extent of their rolls so far were to go out and spell the old and slow LBs like Scott, Thomas and Pace. If they are on the roster there has to be reason for it. Somebody has to see some potential in these guys. As you alluded to, most of the starting LBs are mediocre at best, what is there to lose? Add another 1 or 2 LBs along with a safety in the draft and who knows? At some point this franchise has to catch a break or two, either in the draft or with an undrafted FA

  38. By kleckofan on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    JFTom64 I knew you’d be all over that Carmine post; an almost verbatim repeat of your riff on Jet fansd who remember the 1 in 10 wildcat plays that worked and forgetting the wasted plays otherwise. The season will still be all about Sanchez, step up or get out, plain and simple. On the draft, take Decastro and try and grab the ND safety in the 2nd. First&last Tebow comment: if we don’t make him some version of an “H back” then its an unmitigated disaster. A man who can’t throw cannot be a QB in the NFL, thus he is not a QB. Put him in the backfield in goal line or in motion through the backfield in short yardage. When it all goes south, fire Tanny and jettison Sanchez. Realism is not necessarily pessimism…but sometimes it is

  39. By joe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    OH the WILDCAT Mike FRANCESS devotated a SHOW TO JUST HOW GREAT IT WAS WITH BRAD SMITH 1 MONTH AGO.Two years ago the Wildcat accounted for EXACTLY 3 TDS AND 13 FIRST DOWNS THE ENTIRE YEAR .FRANCESSA POINTED OUT that MOST JET FANS LIVE IN A FANTASYLAND ABOUT JUST HOW EFFECTIVE IT WAS .Manning Brady Brees ect CAN GENERATE MORE OFFENCE IN 2 QUARTERS THAN WHAT THE JETS DID RUNNING THE WILDCAT ALL YEAR 2 YEARS AGO .The 2 qb offence running the WILDCAT IS NOTHING BUT A GIMMACK AND GIMMACKS HAVE NEVER EVER ONE A SUPERBOWL

  40. By joe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fan Since 64 TOM its like they live in some kind of DELLUSIONAL WORLD that stops all reality .Brady Manning Brees Rothesburger ECT all qb offences that avg 30 plus points a game against teams with MUCH BETTER DEFENCES THAN OURS .We are going to counter this with an offence that takes 9 minutes to possibly score ..In NE ROUTE of DENVER last year once Tebow got behind by 10 ITWAS OVER .Brady inturn just kept his foot on the gas.Unless THIS new Sparano offence can score with THE PATS PACK SAINTS ect we got BIG PROBLEMS HERE

  41. By GaryC on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    this says it all about the jets draft history, USC has put out great lineman,linebackers and running backs over the years and argueablly the jets have drafted their biggest busts per position,Cadigan,offensive line, Anthony Davis,running back and Richard Wood as linebacker.how is that for a golden nugget.

  42. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    You make your own breaks, scjoe, you know that. The weak guys on our roster are there because overall our roster is weaker than strong. The young LBs you mention got a chance to show what they can do and none of them resembled Clay Matthews. That doesn’t mean you give up on them, it just means that other than Harris the whole LB crew is iffy. The reason I keep saying we need about 6 or 7 starters is because it’s my barometer of how much denial there is on this site. The more I write that and see almost nobody posting in agreement, the more I know how many folks are in dreamland. If we got a good starting RT, WR, LB, and S in this draft, IT WOULD BE THE GREATEST DRAFT IN JET HISTORY! Somehow I don’t see that happening under Mr T and Rex…

  43. By scjoe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    64, I don’t believe that you “always” make your own breaks. I think a late round pick who turns out to be a super star could be defined as a “break” as well, you know, like a certain 6th round QB who we happen to play against twice a year and is in the mix for one of the best QBs ever. Sometimes luck plays a major roll in building a roster. I think the Jets are due for their “break” maybe it will be in the 2012 draft.Never say never! As for those B/U LBs stepping up? They need to be on the playing field playing with the 1s in order to do that. That’s what should have transpired in the 2nd half of last season.

  44. By scjoe on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    64, I agree with you about the overall quality of the roster, I pointed it out to you not to long ago. That said, I am a believer that if you have B/Us on the roster that have been there for a few years there has to be some potential there. I know the FO and to a lesser extent the coaching staff are not top 5 when it comes to drafting and developing players, but you have to believe that there is some sort of resemblance to competency there. So, with a little more expertise and maybe a little luck, this draft can go a long way towards turning this team around this season. Have a little hope my friend.

  45. By Vince-Florida on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    Hi Randy,
    Good job on the article! So far so good this year by the way:
    Item: Shotty couldn’t make adjustments during the game and now we have a new O.C.
    Item: A little more depth at QB was needed and now we have that with the Denver trade.
    Item: Help at Safety was needed and now there is a new one on the team.
    Item: Remembering that the first thing that Vince Lombardi did when he first arrived at Green Bay was to simplify the play book, and now we have a new playbook.
    Go Jets!

  46. By KirkW on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    I won’t be surprised to see the Jets trade Tebow away for a draft pick, since the NFL is a labyrinth of deception. He might however be a key for Tony Sparano’s plan. The best thing about Tebow is that he is coachable and very comfortable in his own skin. With the lockout last year he got minimal instruction, yet stepped in and helped Denver lurch into the playoffs, where they had no business being. A coachable winner who radiates confidence can be a real value in an otherwise dysfunctional locker room, and if he stays in NY he’ll grow into his role and perhaps into a starter.

  47. By Tom Spicer on Apr 17, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I think you just quoted my mock draft?

  48. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    kleckofan, with a name like that you must be particularly skeptical of our allegedly great defensive HC, who in 3 yrs hasn’t been able to generate a pass rush, hasn’t moved in good young LBs, and has COMPLETELY ignored the crisis at S. Like I said, I’M not supposing to be predicting disaster vs PHI ’cause we got no one to cover Celek, Rex is supposed to be on that from April to August. joe, I’ve given up talking to some of these dreamers who just say “Go Jets” and act as if we have an all-star roster. I can go to the games to say “Go Jets.” On this site I try to engage in discussion on how to make the team better, and that starts with admitting that under Rex we live in some kind of Bizarro Universe in which elite QBs don’t exist.

  49. By Allan O'Dane on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    Joe & 64Tom….what fans here on this site fail to realize it doesn’t matter if you run “wildcat” or “Ground & Pound”….The R/side of the O-line has still not been addressed. What are they going to do run left on every play? Increase the chances of Brick and Moore getting injured? Tebow is a good athlete…in my eyes not a QB. Give him the ball around the goaline as a FB or HB and see what happens. This 2 QB system is going to blow up in their faces. Every football analyst on ESPN and the NFL network said it won’t work and it will cause a bigger problem in the locker room. Just like you I will sit back and watch this season, either Rex is going to look like a genuis or he’ll be looking for a job as a DC next season.

  50. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    I have read these posts over and over. No matter how you look at it, in the end all of us will be saying: “LETS GO JETS” when the season starts. I may not like some of the moves made recently. But as a die hard “JET FAN”, I will be cheering for them with the hopes of a winning season, let me reiterate, “with the hopes of a winning season”. This draft is important, my gut feeling is, for once they may use it wisely… “LETS GO JETS”…

  51. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, this is supposed to be funny, right? “…but you have to believe that there is some sort of resemblance to competency there.” I mean, how much more could you qualify it? I’m not big on “you have to believe.” Arte has been telling me “We have to just hang all the problems on Schotty,” to which I say, “Arte, YOU have to hang all the problems on Schotty because you’re not ready to look at all the problems on this team.” I was just thinking yesterday about how as a small child, I’d read the stories on the Jets in the Shea programs, feel all warm and fuzzy about them, and as I watched the game invoke every hope, dream, and superstitious trick I could that these guys would shine. That stuff didn’t work then and it doesn’t now.

  52. By Robbie on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    I think the Tebow Sanchez alliance will work out very well. In fact I think it will end with a Super Bowl win. I say this only if Sanchez does it this year there can be no 20 td and 19 int that just won’t fly anymore especially with Tebow right behind him. But if Sanchez performs like the Jets have hoped and have not really yet received then he will change that the team will go places. But Tony Sparano Rex Ryan you must coach them to do so give them a play book that no team can quite figure out like we did on defense for a while. Anyway just win that is all the fans want if that happens Tebow won’t get booed or wait was that Dwayne Wade. Haha. Anyway just Win Baby thanks Al.

  53. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    AR from TX, I thought I’d comment on 2 things to you, so you see where some of us lifelong (almost 50 yrs) Jet fans are coming from. On the same day, Tim Tebow was listed as one of TIME’s 100 Most Influential People and the Jets 2012 schedule was announced. I’m not too invested in the noise from the media when I watch football, I got sick of that with Cosell in about ’70. If Tebow can’t “influence” the Jets to get into the end zone this yr, we won’t win more than 4 games and he can specialize at speaking in church on Easter. The last “most influential person” to hit NY (Jeremy Lin) can barely stay on the court long enough to help get his team into the playoffs. Render unto Jet fans what should be Jet fans’ — a consistently winning team!

  54. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    You’re absolutely right about “ground and pound” and all that nonsense, how we’ve addressed neither the OL nor the RBs you need to run a “ground and pound” offense, and so on, Allan. In this sense I see Rex drifting into more of that “I’m coach for 10 yrs/Mark’s the starter for 10 yrs” stuff that he’s been dealing in, predicting all kinds of glory without doing the work to make it happen. (With this sked, “Mark” might be lucky to start for 10 games.) But what’s even funnier is that scoring in the red zone wasn’t our problem last yr, getting into the red zone was. Who needs Tebow as a RB in the red zone? Oh yeah, then Spicer won’t be able to count MS’s rushing TDs on his record, so maybe that’s a good thing…

  55. By Eli Rodriguez on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe, I’m one of McElroy supporter and the fact that Denver wanted him in the trade at least tells me, Once again John Elway recognize talent. The fact he hasn’t proving anything yet its because Rex and Mike T will die with M.S. If we were to have an open and fair competition, my money would be on McElroy even with M.S. Three years advantage. As for him being in the dog house- we all know he’s not alone in there. Lol!

  56. By GaryC on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe,there are reasons bellore, mauga and mcintyre are backups,they came in as free agents so you can’t expect their talent level to be that of a first round pick,when you’re hoping for those results that is pie in the sky thinking.

  57. By GaryC on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, to continue my point, you say these guys are still on roster so they must have something, gohlston was on the roster for a few years to and what did he have.

  58. By danny on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t get how ppl can rip Rex for his lack of pass rush or LB’s but yet in Rex 3 seasons we were ranked in the top 10 in total D. Yes we need a pure pass rusher but we also were in the middle of the pack in sacks last season and like I said we were ranked in the top 10 in total D all 3 seasons. Cmonnnn ppl your looking for every lil excuse to rip the guy when he had 1 bad season for several reasons we all know. Let him be and lets see how yr 4 goes. I understand ripping the offense which Shotty is gone and yes Rex needs to learn more offense but no way can anyone sit and rip our Top 10 D every yr out of 32 NFL teams. It don’t matter how u stop a team you just have to stop them and we have a SB caliber D minus E. ( 5.2 40yd dash) Smith

  59. By danny on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    Brady, Brees and Manning do NOT have better D’s then us so here we go again. Yes maybe Pitt but there getting older. Go look at last yr’s most important Defensive ranking ( Total D ) and we are ahead of all 3 of those QB’s on D

  60. By joe on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    Kirk TEBOW may be the GREATEST PERSON ,MOST COACHABLE BEST TEAM LEADER ECT in the HISTORY OF THE NFL BUT NONE OF IT MEANS A THING BECAUSE THE MAN does NOT POSSESS THE SKILLS neccessary TO QB A TEAM TO THE SUPERBOWL.Elways resume DICTATES OF ALL THINGS he knows the QB POSTION.If TEBOW was so capable WHY WOULD ELWAY LET HIM GO.We picked him up for TEBOW MANIAS EFFECT ON WOODYS WALLET NOT FOR HIS GREAT CHARACTER OR FOOTBALL PLAYING ABILITY.

  61. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    danny, the reason I can rip Rex and his Top 10-rated D is because that D broke down constantly in the clutch almost all of those yrs, especially last yr. And I’m one of the charitable ones, unlike Rex I don’t blame the D when they give up 10 pts and lose 17-13 to DEN or 10-6 to MIA. I’m talking about when they’re completely blown off the field vs PHI in the first of 3 big games we had to win last yr or when they can’t contain the Giants in the next game. Team stats can be very illusory, as was proven by 2010 when SD had the best rushing D and best passing D and went precisely NOWHERE! And good luck tearing down the D’s of the 2 SB teams in a yr when your team doesn’t even make the playoffs…

  62. By scjoe on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, Gholston was a top of the 1st round pick, that explains why HE was on the roster that long. As for the B/U LBs now? Can you honestly sit here and tell me that Scott, Pace, or Thomas are light years ahead of any of the B/Us? None of them are elite pass rushers, none are great (or even “good”) in coverage, all are average at best against the run. What do you see that I don’t?

  63. By scjoe on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    64, no, it was not meant to be funny. There have been flashes, albeit few and far between (Revis, Harris, Mangold, Brick) So, I was simply given them ( the FO) the benefit of the doubt. Am I an overwhelming supporter of the FO? Absolutely not. I will also withdraw my plea for you to have some hope because that is your decision. But, “what if” they fill those needs in the upcoming draft? “What if” they go on to have a successful season, make the play offs and go deep into them? You only have to go back one season, and to the Cincinnati Bengals to realize it is possible.

  64. By Eli Rodriguez on Apr 18, 2012 | Reply

    But what’s even funnier is that scoring in the red zone wasn’t our problem last yr, getting into the red zone was. “Great line ’64…..

  65. By FL.PETE on Apr 19, 2012 | Reply

    Same Ol Sorry Jet Fan Since 64, why don”t you just change teams and rid yourself of the misery the organization puts you through… you remind of of the fan from the movie “Major League” after the team made a run during the season saying “They’ll Blow it in the Playoffs”… I understand the Jets have let you down for a long time but the “think negative and hope positive” approach is worse than being a delusional fan that believes…

  66. By Allan O'Dane on Apr 19, 2012 | Reply

    Danny, Take a look at the the front seven. No pass rusher from either DE’s. There’s only (1) LB/Maybin that can get to the QB. Rex has masked this for the past 3 seasons. He knows he has 1 great corner…1 good corner and a smart FS in Jim L. Our secondary has to work even harder due to the lack of pass rush from the line and LBs. Imagine if our secondary was just average? We need that pass rush to make the QB go to his 2nd,3rd and 4th reads which leads to INTS or throw aways. Now reverse that thought. Imagine if we had a pass rush like the NYG with our secondary? Now that would be a #1 ranked D across the board.

  67. By Allan O'Dane on Apr 19, 2012 | Reply

    Continued…and to think M.Williams went to Buffalo ( I know he took a lot of money ) but you get the picture..Better yet .,..look at Philly…they STOLE Demeco Ryans from the Texans for a 4th or a 5th round pick!?!….The jets FO are sleeping at their desks my man…I couldn’t believe that trade…

  68. By GaryC on Apr 19, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, it tells me when we draft Perry,Irvin,vinny curry or Mcclellin we will say goodbye to about six of these linebackers that are on the roster truthfully the guys who back up the starters are plugging the dike until something better comes along.

  69. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 19, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks, Eli, I liked your post, too. “What if” Ron Paul wins the presidency on a third-party ticket, scjoe? You can say “what if” about anything, even if it’s not remotely likely. Our last 2 drafts have yielded exactly ONE starter, the one before that 3 (Sanchez, Greene, and Slauson) that are far from universally popular. So while it’s theoretically possible that we’ll pick up even 2 starters in this draft, I don’t think you should bet the house on it. And we need about 7 of them. Especially given the way Rex gets cold feet and pulls a rookie starter if he isn’t terrific in his first two games, like he did in 2010 with Wilson.

  70. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 19, 2012 | Reply

    FL.PETE, what if I told you that cowardly, delusional, far-too-easily satisfied fans like you are the reason the Jets haven’t been a force in the NFL for forty yrs? You wouldn’t like that, would you? So why don’t you support the team the way you wanna and I’ll support the team the way I wanna. Rationalizing failure, weak drafting, poor player development, and coaches who gravitate toward the Wildcat and a 2-QB system also sounds like something out of MAJOR LEAGUE — that is, a remake about one of the most inept teams in the NFL.

  71. By joe on Apr 19, 2012 | Reply

    THE ONLY REASON TO PLAY THIS GAME IS TO WIN THE SUPERBOWL .To win the superbowl today you have got to AVERAGE 30 pts POINTS A GAME (PATS PACK SAINTS ECT) PLEASE (CAN I LIVE IN A JET FANTASYLAND TOO )SOMEONE TELL ME WITH OUT OFFENCIVE PERSONAL HOW WERE GOING TO DO THAT

  72. By danny on Apr 19, 2012 | Reply

    Against the Giants we shut them down all 1st half til Cruz broke 99yd td. We really didn’t play bad on D other then that play our O killed us. Same with Philly when Holmes let ball go thru his hands for pick 6 I mean we let us 2 big TDs to start the game on turnovers. Our D is very strong and if we didn’t have E. Smith last season which we better not see on D this season we don’t let up so many big plays. E. Smith by himself killed us in Big Games

  73. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 20, 2012 | Reply

    joe, you got it right, danny, you’ll make excuses when Rex is coaching at some Oklahoma high school. In today’s NFL you need to score big with more emphasis on an aggressive passing game than a ground-it-out running game, intimidate on D, and have explosive ST guys. PHI completely blew us out, Sanchez threw endlessly vs the Giants without success, and E. Smith got torched constantly the yr before, not just last yr. Good luck continuing to pretend that you don’t see what’s right before your eyes.

  74. By danny on Apr 21, 2012 | Reply

    64 all i was saying is our D is not what really hurts us it’s been our offense which I believe with shotty gone is taking a huge step. As for E. Smith he only played in playoffs 2 yrs ago when Leanard got hurt and he actually played well but as for last season he was exposed and way to slow to be a starting NFL safety. Leanard and Pool were the starters in 2010 until Leanard went down and smith came in I believe final reg season game and played pretty well in playoffs but once teams realized he is slower then Mangold they took advantage of it

  75. By joe on Apr 22, 2012 | Reply

    DANNY LETS HEAR THE EXCUSES WHEN NE 2x defeated us (easily )AND BALTIMORE beat the living DAYLIGHTS OUT OF US,.Danny in case you didnt realize THIS AINT NO HS TEAM.PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYERS are paid to do 1 thing only,WIN THE SB.When an organization hasnt done so in 40 plus years THERE ARE NO EXCUSES.

  76. By joe on Apr 22, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fan Since 64 TOM they ALL FORGET ONE THING AS THE ONLY REASON TO PLAY IN THE NFL IS TO WIN THE SB PARCELLS coined the phrase YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE .Our record indicates one SB TITLE ,0 AFC TITLES, 1 DIV TITLE IN 40 PLUS YEARS(we also are a MEMBER OF THE EXCLUSIVE TOP 10 SNAKEBIT FRANCHISES OF ALL TIME CLUB )Tom (considering we are in the MEDIA CAPITAL OF THE WORLD AND OUR COACH GUARANTEES SB VICTORYS )ITS BEYOND EMBARASSING.Notice EVERY POST BY THOSE IN A JET FANTASYLAND INCLUDES THE PHRASES WOULD HAVE,SHOULD HAVE COULD HAVE

  77. By joe on Apr 22, 2012 | Reply

    lol TOM if you listen TO SOME OF THEM ONE WOULD THINK WE WERE SB CONTENDERS instead of a team thats a ROMO FUMBLE from a losing record .Last year against PLAYOFF TEAMS WE WERE BLOWN OUT (NOT WINNING 1 GAME THE ENTIRE YEAR AGAINST A WINNING TEAM )This year to remedy it all we BRING IN ANOTHER QB (whose horrible )which will ULTIMATELY DESTROY our FRANCHICE QB we TRADED UP TO GET ONLY 2 YEARS AGO

  78. By glorybquick on Apr 23, 2012 | Reply

    Its encouraging to see players attempting a united front. Very dissapointing to have to listen to all snide remarks about Jets dysfunctional locker room. The best TEAM wins in the NFL, not necessarily the best group of players. Things are looking up!

  79. By joe on Apr 24, 2012 | Reply

    GLORYBQUICK the PROBLEM IS the best teams (STEELERS GIANTS PATS AND PACK )FOR SOME REASON always have the MOST AMOUNT of players in the PRO BOWL. PLAYERS publically( before the season )always say the right thing If you went to a COLTS PLAYER RIGHT NOW WOULD ANY ONE OF THEM SAY WERE HORRIBLE LAST YEAR AND DONT REALLY HAVE A SHOOT THIS YEAR EITHER. Lets wait UNTILL WE LOSE A FEW GAMES (THE ENTIRE TEBOW SANCHEZ CIRCUS GETS GOING )and see just how united we are

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