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How Several Draft Analysts See the Jets’ Draft

Posted by Eric Allen on April 30, 2012 – 12:56 pm

It is impossible to fairly or accurately grade an NFL team’s draft just days after its completion. When the Jets scouting contingent was down in Mobile, Ala., back in January, I asked Terry Bradway how long it should be before you get the pen out and put a letter in your book.

“The rule of thumb is really three years,” said Bradway, the team’s senior personnel executive. “You really want them playing by the second year — at least some significant time — and then possibly be a starter. Not everyone is going to be a starter that you draft and we know that. Some guys have a lot of value as sub players, nickel players, whether it be on offense or defense. It normally takes three.”

But many pundits are asked to deliver draft grades within three hours of the draft’s end. And as fans of football, it’s something we demand and peek at even though it means absolutely nothing. The Jets college scouts will take a little break themselves before getting to work on the 2013 draft.

“Once the draft’s over, we’ll accumulate the names for the following year,” Bradway said. “We’ll do some initial work on last year’s tape. In August our scouts will hit the road and probably go until the first week of December.”

By December, the members of the Jets 2012 Draft Class (who made the team) will almost have a full season under their belts. Jets Nation can hope the class will be dubbed the “Elite Eight,” but we’ll only know in due time. The Green & White were happy with their weekend effort and they think it will lead to more W’s in the future.

Let’s take a look at what some analysts thought of the Jets draft and how some graded it.

CNNSI.com

DE Quinton Coples is a colossal roll of the dice at 16 overall, and the Jets decided to address their issues at offensive tackle by completely ignoring that position. WR Stephen Hill (43) will help that underwhelming unit, as might sleeper Jordan White (244). But there was more bad than good here. Grade: D+

John Czarnecki, Senior NFL Writer, Fox Sports

This franchise rolled the dice on all their first three picks, which has been their approach lately. It doesn’t mean the draftees aren’t talented, it’s just whether or not they are the right fit. There were questions about North Carolina defensive end Quinton Coples, the first-round pick. Some scouts thought he had a bad habit of taking plays off. … They traded up for Georgia Tech receiver Stephen Hill because he’s a great blocker for their power running game. Now, that makes some sense because Hill only caught 49 passes in his college career. And he should be able to block because Tech used a triple-option running game. But Hill is 6-foot-4 and runs a 4.3 40-yard dash. … Demario Davis of Arkansas State is another edge rushing linebacker. … Baylor’s Terrance Ganaway, a 240-pound running back, could be a great find and should help on short-yardage. … Staying at Baylor, the Jets took right guard Brandon [sic] T. Griffin, a 335-pounder with no relation to his former quarterback teammate. Grade: C

Vinnie Iyer, NFL Writer, Sporting News

Key picks: DE Quinton Coples, WR Stephen Hill, OLB Demario Davis.
Rex Ryan got some 3-4 pieces, but we just don’t know if they’re the right ones. Hill has explosive potential with the right QB. Grade: C

Mel Kiper Jr., Draft Expert & College Football Analyst, ESPN

The Jets surprised me when they went with Quinton Coples over Melvin Ingram in Round 1. To be blunt, I just think Ingram is the superior player — and I have outside linebacker as New York’s top need. Coples is a more natural fit as a 4-3 defensive end, and the obvious conclusion is Rex Ryan intends to move him inside. Still, I don’t see him as a significant help in a need area — the pass rush. Stephen Hill is a major physical talent, but he’s a project in terms of route running. He can certainly keep safeties honest, however. You have to account for his deep speed, but I’m not sure he’ll be able to help a lot in 2012. I like the value of Demario Davis. He was my fifth-ranked OLB in this draft. Size is a question, but Rex may set him loose situationally. Grade: C

Pete Prisco, Senior NFL Columnist, CBSSportsline.com

Best pick: Second-round receiver Stephen Hill has the tools to be an explosive player, but he is raw. Can this regime get the best out of him? If they can, he will be a steal. Boom or bust pick.

Questionable move: Taking Quinton Coples in the first round is a strange move for this team. He doesn’t seem to fit what they do. Oh, and he also took last season off at North Carolina.

Third-day gem: Running back Terrance Ganaway put up big numbers in Baylor’s offense. He is a big back at 239 pounds.

Analysis: The Jets took two players in the first two rounds who are risks. Is that really something this front office and staff can afford to do? Add in the stupid Tim Tebow trade, and the Jets haven’t had a great start to 2012. It’s a feast-or-famine draft. Grade: C–

Mike Lombardi, NFL.com, NFL Network

Obviously Rex Ryan knows defensive players. He took Quinton Coples. He’s going to look at the junior tape and think, “Hey I can get that out of him.” … Stephen Hill has a chance to be a starting receiver for them — big and fast. And then the [Demario] Davis kid they took in the third round, I think he’s going to be a really good player in their scheme. I think he’ll be perfect for what they do.

Tony Pauline, Draft Analyst, CNNSI, Publisher, DraftInsider.Net

Stephen Hill/WR/NY Jets/Pick No. 43 — Hill was the vertical pass-catching threat in the Yellow Jackets’ option running attack. He turned in an immense combine workout and has been receiving first-round consideration since February. Hill is rough around the edges, yet the type of receiver the Jets offense desperately needs.


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116 Responses to “How Several Draft Analysts See the Jets’ Draft”

  1. By kleckofan on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    the article is prefaced by saying the draft is a crapshoot and time will tell, that said, a team can certainly increase its chances of success by staying away from guys w questions (size, injuries etc). Of all the potentially hazardous issues around a pick “motivation” is by far the scariest and it’s the tag on our 1st pick. Scary. Not enough attention to the changes Q endured between JR and SR year though. Our 2nd pick has resume issues, very high pick for a guy w 49 career catches because of the system he played in. So, 1&2 are big question marks. l like the later later picks, esp’ Ganaway and Davis. Ignoring RT is deplorable, Massie should be a Jet. The “experts” seem to agree C to C-, not very impressive.

  2. By wayne on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    When do we start seeing the combine numbers for the experts?….Who are the busts and boomers in the expert game?

  3. By Alex.G on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    a WASTED Draft season. and still no true replacement’s for Devito and Hunter.

  4. By Frank on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    I can’t stop laughing….two of these so called “experts” have Davis playing outside and you have the regime saying he is playing inside and I quote Rex..he reminds me of Bart Scott please…..someone help us!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Anyone say DIS-ORGANIZATION??????
    It is truely astounding this regime thinks it has great players and they can aford to risk their entire draft on projects. This is the same mindset that got this team in trouble last year. As I said before the talent erosion under Rex is astonishing to watch.
    But we got Teeeeeeeeboooooooowwwwwww Whooooooooaaaaaa.
    Top 100 as voted by his peers! Anyone see Sanchize-Not any where???? He sure is paid like a top 20 player. Only the Jets!!!!!!!

  5. By Alex.G on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    This was taking from NFL.COM NEWS After Seattle took Irvin, the Seahawks got a call from Jets headquarters. New York “good-naturedly” cursed at the Seahawks for taking the guy they planned to draft one pick later, ????? I thought according to Rex and the Jets HQ that all along Coples was there guy , after all the promise was made by Rex. I don’t get why the Jets with the choices they had available at 16 chose the guy that will make or break them???

  6. By Another Tom on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    No love from these experts..as expected. Was Coples suppose to fall out of the first round? and who created all the crazy sudden hype for Chandler Jones? Belichek? I never heard His name mentioned until a week before the draft…I think our first 3 picks will be solid contributors, and I like Ganaway to become our Terrell Davis..

  7. By IRA on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    Eric,
    Hey everybody is entitled to their opinion. Mr Bradway has been in this business for a long time and told you the way it is. We really won’t know what these guys will produce until they hit the field and have a year or two under their belts.Thats the truth.
    I think Ganaway can potentially give us the most production out of all of these players. Hill i could see about 30-35 catches for about 500 or so yds. I think Davis, Bush and Allen can all contribute on ST’s this year.

  8. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    Lombardi is the guy here with the most NFL experience and predictably he’s the most positive and has the most insight into the first 3 picks. Most of the other guys sound like they’re on another planet. It’s a bonus that Hill can block, of course, but you’re telling me a guy who ran a 4.28 was drafted just to block? I can’t remember the last Jet at ANY position who ran even a 4.4 when we drafted him. And why are these guys obsessed with “the right fit” — maybe because that’s a phrase they were taught to say by their editors? Tebow may not be the right fit for the NFL at all but we picked him up. I’m not too worried about Rex changing his mind on who fits in the D, if he can’t do that capably HE’s the bust. Still the best Jets draft in yrs.

  9. By GaryC on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    why is it that lombardi and pauline,who look like they would give jets good grade do not have grades,only the ones who did not like their draft,hmmm.

  10. By Paul N on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    It is very very early to tell what this draft works out, but I think these anylists were being kind. personally i think this draft is a bust cause it didn’t come close to meeting the needs. Yes we needed a pass rusher, but I think our need at safety and tackle far outweighed the need for a passrusher. Hopefully Coples produces!! I like the Hill D-

  11. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    Cracks me up that none of these “experts” sticks his neck out to talk about Bush and Allen, even though 1 thing that a true “expert” should be able to do is assess which late-round picks have true potential and which don’t. You’re no “expert” when all you do is comment condescendingly on whether Ingram shoulda gone 1 or 2 picks before Coples, Coples shoulda gone 1 or 2 picks before Jones, etc. A 12-year-old kid on a college football website can do that. Funny, some of us knew more about football at 12 than some of these guys do now, because we’d already played it for a few yrs and they still haven’t to this day. I was horrified when Dennis Miller was signed onto MNF football and casually said at the press conf, “I never played the game.”

  12. By oasus on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    No respect. That’s ok. We’re used to that.

  13. By Eli Rodriguez on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    You have 6 out of 7 so called analysts fail the Jets draft picks. I must admit these picks were questionable to me, when there was to many other proving players and needs but not for the dreamer or those hardcore Rex sympathizer who still believe in him. EA-IRA please tells me what you guys think about our draft.

  14. By DKM on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    not really a endorsment to our FO, rather a here we go again, im not bitter im also not disapointed but if QC turn into VG what can i say, we cant sink any lower, and than changes might be in order.

  15. By Jason on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    I think Demario Davis has the potential to be a star for NY. I love that fact that he was the hype man/leader of his defense in college, and hopefully he can bring that leadership to the Jets- and dare I say become our Ray Lewis – or at least close.

  16. By DKM on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    How comes the Steelers once again look like clearly the winner of this Draft, can we hire there Warroom Waterboy and have him run our Draft at least we know we get the players we need.

    No adressing the OL will haunt us or they really believe VD can step up.

    Didnt like that they left some pretty good S on the Board in 3rd round and went with the ILB. Made me scratch my head.

    Picking a S that late makes me think they are set on bringing Jimy Leonard back and see how he can handle it.

  17. By neauone on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    While I don’t put much stock into the so called experts,”boy have they blown some calls in the past”. The only question I wish they would have addressed was the TERRIBLE PLAY AT RIGHT TACKLE. Now having got that off my chest, it is a major concern for anyone OUTSIDE OF THE JETS BRAIN THRUST!!!! I know they know more than all the ex football players, sports announcers and writers not to mention the Fans themselves. But I hope Woody reads this, because if this team collapses because both Mark and Tim are crushed because of the play on the right side of the offensive line. PLEASE by all means show Mr. Tannenbaum the door, because it not only shows a lack of understanding the game, but it will have bordered on negligence.

  18. By Eli Rodriguez on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    SO THE JETS PICKED-UP ANOTHER QB G.J.KINNE. WHAT’S GOING ON WITH THIS TEAM. SO WHICH QB IS LEAVING ( McELROY).

  19. By robertpapalia on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    Nobody but nobody is going to know how these draft choices are going to pan out. For these so called experts to say that this guy is going to be a bust or success means nothing. Only by being on the field will we find out about Quinton Coples and Stephen Hill. And the others as well. If these players perform well we will win. If not we will lose, and Tannenbaum and Rex will be out the door. Stay tuned.

  20. By joe on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    HEY CONSIDERING THIS IS THE JETS whose draft grades the past 4 years are amoung the worst in football (3 pro bowlers selected )cs ect are not bad

  21. By walt on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    congradulations to nate eachus RB 5ft 10 in 220lbs Golgate (local guy) and the kc chiefs who recently signed him.Nate who will not celebrate his 22nd birthday until June rushed for almost 1900yds in 2010 and almost 800yds this year with 18 receptions in six games this year.Nate is very strong he does not go down easy and quick he has run a 4.49 forty.The most notable thing about Nate watching the videos is his speed.He runs away from defenders with ease.He also is a very good receiver as per scout observations.It looks like the Chiefs might have a real winner in this Wilksborro P.A. native.

  22. By Jonathan Reggans on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    You can only laugh at some of the really stupid comments coming from these so-called NFL analysts. Most of these guys pick up several copies of draft magazines, or read a few articles and all of a sudden, they have all the answers. I mean, Pete Prisco, are you serious? That CBS tool knows about as much football as the pig the ball was made from. And Kiper Jr., that guy has been pulling this con for so long that he truly believes he’s the smartest football man on the planet. He’s been bashing Jets management for years so who cares about what he thinks. The Jets picks are solid, and Coples and Hill have star potential. The late round picks could pay off handsomely with guys like Antonio Allen, Jordan White and Terrance Gannaway.

  23. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    What are they putting in the Gatorade at Florham Park? More than a few of those UFA’s and tryouts — Fletcher, Brown, Linthicum, and more — were projected by many to go as high as the third or fourth round. Maybe Mr T and Rex really do understand that they have to put bodies on the field this yr…

  24. By joe on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    LOMBARDI (NFL NETWORK )thought HILLs potential WOULD BE GREAT for a for a better passing team (SAINTS PACK GIANTS ECT )that because of their superior reciever and qb play could develop him OVER TIME (NO WAY NFL READY THIS YEAR )On the JETS the LACK OF DIRECTION ECT COULD RUIN HIM

  25. By jorge on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    this scout team need to GO!!!! bad bad bad

  26. By TONY GARCIA on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    JET FAN SINCE 1969. first I liked our draft,if you no football and i think many jet fans don’t. FIRST the programs these guys got drafted from our all top tier. BUTCH DAVIS no’s d-lineman north carolina produces top NFL talent.GT produces top talent.NO gambles on small college prospects this year.WE still need some o-line depth i see that in free agency.

  27. By Brett Brennan on Apr 30, 2012 | Reply

    I think the Jets are gonna stink this year. I predict they may win less than 4 games. I can’t believe they traded for Tebow. He is my least favorite player in the league and ranks up there with my alltime dislikes. 1. the band Nickelback. 2. Tim Tebow. and 3. Traffic Jams. etc. I am considering becoming a fan of a distant NFC team that doesnt play the Jets for the next few years until Tebow is off the team. My biggest gripe is the fact that they are taking snaps out of Mark Sanchez’ hands and waisting downs with a proven ineffective wildcat scheme. What a mess!!!!

  28. By FL.PETE on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    The jets are really bringing in some ballers to compete this training camp… There is going to be some difficult financial/roster decisions for the team come Aug. I only hope we keep the Best Players for the team… This is going to be great..

  29. By DKM on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    JFS64 good to read that you have positive outlock on this Years Draft, but i have to go with scjoe on this one.
    Once more we are fed lines that no one really can decipher, cause if this supossed to support the notion that we where building a ground and pound Team well then tell me where is it cause the first 3 picks make no indicatoin of such things. And to further that, picking only one OL player in the 7th is a little thin dont you think so.
    Well we still being fed with Statements wich totally goes against everything they doing so nothing has changed since the end of last season.

  30. By DKM on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Im not sitting here and saying we had a bad Draft and the guys we drafted wont work out we dont know right now, 3 years from now we will know for sure how this Draft worked out i always said the Draft is the biggest Crap shoot for all the Teams.
    When Rex came to NY we had a identety we where a run first Offense with a stout Defense, and then slowly he got away from it, and the FO clearly did too by releasing and letting go Players and Leaders without replacing them (Faneca, Ellis, Jones,etc.) than they put the whole thing on a QB they thought would turn into PM, but didnt, and the Defense got old in a hurry, and on top of it the Drafting for the past 2 Years was really to say at least bad. Now they been trying to do Damage Control and cont.

  31. By DKM on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    right the Ship and coming slowly to the realization that they lost there identety and MS wich they gave up a lot to get will be at best an sligthly above average QB. Now with everbodys Job on the line it looks more and more to me that from Mr.T to the guy who runs the LR that they are pushing the Panik Button and looking to go back to the stout Defense but still dont really know what to do on Offense cause lets face it, they havent much improved anything on it and keep on telling us we will be fine. Having Sporano taking over is certainly a change we needed but we wont know that either until we get to the season.
    And having the statement flying around that HILL is the next MEGATRON is just more CHATTER we dont need.

  32. By punchie on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    i don`t get to see a lot of tape on these guys apart from antonio allen and he looked like a good box safety but that seems to be the only tape on him, when he`s playing in the box. So original point i dont see a great deal of tape but i imagine thatthese guys should have seen more than me and have more contacts than me so all i can say is fire up the guns sione

  33. By IRA on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Would love to see Kinne make at least the PS. Seems like he has a lot of upside and it appears he will fit Sparano’s system more than McElroy will. Hey saw film of Kinne in high school and he already looked good in Green and White!

  34. By PIEMAN on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    speculators …..and negetive one’s at that. take a hike turkey’s, we dont need your hollow words here however we need to step back and find an answer at right tackle …god bless new york and the jets !

  35. By the real T.O. on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    all Cs and a D??!! wow I feel positive

  36. By uncle joe on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    MR. SIXTY FOUR TOM, I’m Loving your Optimism of late, keep it up my good man!

  37. By uncle joe on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Love the RB Ganaway’s Senior Bowl interview with you EA, this kid speaks like a Profesional that is about to do wonders for the Franchise that chose him. Looks like we will be getting a complimentary draft choice for Greene when we let him hit Free Agency next year!

  38. By uncle joe on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    I did’nt really look too into Stephen Hill before the draft because I did’nt think he was on our Radar,but man he looks impresive and I was’nt aware of how well he blocks,AWESOME pickup.

  39. By Matt Zullo on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Most of these experts never watch tape, they just say what others say. How did Coples take last year off? He had 4 less tackles and 2.5 less sacks than in 2010 but played one less game in 2011. If they loved him in 2010, then why not in 2011 when his stats were pretty much the same and he was at a new postion with new coaches. It is all a crap shoot. Here is what Kiper said about a few years ago:

    “JaMarcus Russell is going to immediately energize that fan base, that football team. Three years from now you could be looking at a guy that’s certainly one of the elite, top five quarterbacks in this league. Look out because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like.”

    Only time will tell.

  40. By GaryC on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Uncle Joe, you are right about these interviews,the jets picks all sound like they have a lot of character and wouldn’t bring a lot of off the field problems to this team seeing we have had enough of them.good character leads to hard work and this could be the start of the jets getting around to that.At least you have to be fairly optimistic going into the season.

  41. By Alex.G on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Well the Ryan Bro’s and Tann/woody Circus has struck 3 ring gold Yet again! It kills me to have chosen of all Teams to cheer this one. For as long as I can remember they have stunk, and I mean they stink. In the last decade they managed to stink up the playoffs w/1st round TKO’s the 2 times they actually look like they will to go to the dance they get lead feet. Until Brady and Belichick decide to quit playing the game, we will be the red head step child of New York and the AFC East.

  42. By GaryC on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    hopefully the jets can come up with enough players from this draft,the college free agents and guys on the practice squad and the developement of others so maybe we can trade some veterans for picks and do what the pats have been doing,a novel idea knowing tannys penchant for trading picks but maybe if this draft works out he will heed the advice of many and start to thing long range with youth.

  43. By tlsmlieb on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    In brief: whether Coples decision makes sense or not depends on whether he turns out to be the top 5 or so pick in the mold of Julius Peppers he was originally expected to be. If so, then he might have been the better choice than Ingram. Ingram seems the safer choice but not necessarily the one with the most upside. Hill has amazing size and speed but did nothing in college, regardless of whose fault that is. Translating combines into NFL success is risky. How the heck did the Jets let Massie and Zebrie both get by them with Hunter performing that badly? Miscoached or not, why would a team not add depth at its’ weakest position las year especially in a ground and pound ofef If Ganaway is not a starter, what a waste for a run 1st off.

  44. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Your mistake, DKM, is putting any stock into most of what Rex says. Like joe has pointed out, if Rex got Brady tomorrow you’d never hear the phrase “ground and pound” outta him again. Who knows, maybe he thinks this is clever, telling the press one thing and doing another. All I know is Hill wasn’t picked to block and Ira, he wasn’t picked to avg less than 15 p/catch. I’M the one who’s pessimistic? We pick a speed demon who almost broke Walker’s avg/p catch and we’re gonna turn him into J-Co, right. uncle joe, anyone who can’t see these are some of the best picks the Jets have made in yrs is out of it. These guys are fast, modern players unlike Scott, Leonhard, Mason, etc. who were relics from another kind of NFL. FINALLY we go forward!

  45. By tlsmlieb on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    I think the most accurate grade is incomplete. B4, the past season, Coples was ranked higher than Ingram and was projected as top 5, Julius Peppers type. If Coples’ fall in value is bc of NC and not him, and he is the pass rusher the Jets have needed, then the move was good. As to Hill, how do you judge a guy who had no opp to shine in college. Great combine but video game stats do not equal NFL success. How did Massie and Zebrie both pass the Jets when Hunter was terrible last year regardless of whose fault it was that Hunter was terrible? Who the heck is Ganaway – the answer better be a starting back bc if not, how are the Jets going to ground and pound. If Greene and Hunter are starters come 2012, the offseason is mediocre at best.

  46. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    And by the way, Ira, I wouldn’t overly worry about Kinne, McElroy, and Sparano’s system. Though I like our draft, if Rex and Sparano don’t show some results in the W-L column, them and their system, and maybe their first 2 QBs, may well be out the door. Plenty of guys would love to come in next yr, watch us draft Barkley, and start all over with the nucleus of good and promising young players we have — especially if Revis makes a pain in the neck of himself this yr and next yr we trade him for a couple #1’s. Brett, I understand your frustration and I don’t like Tebow as a QB, at least not now in his raw state, either. But we’ll be better off when we pick either him or Sanchez or somebody else to start for good — WITH NO WILDCAT!

  47. By IRA on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    uncle joe, Yeah Hill has the chance to be really good. I want to see what white does this summer. man oh man 140 catches in 1 season thats amazing #’s. Hope his knees hold up they might have a steal with him. There are so many veteran free agents out there i have no concern at all. They will fill in where they feel they have to.

  48. By PAjoe on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    We’ve got the whole spectrum of comments here. So I guess I’ll sit on the fence and be hopeful. As many have said, who the hell can tell how good or bad these guys will be. I liked some of the picks like Hill, but overall was still surprised by the direction or lack of it in the overall picks of free agents to sign and who we drafted and still never solved the huge RT problem everyone east of the Mississippi knows we have. Personally I had been hoping we would have done what Tampa did and move up for Barron, then go to OT with someone like Massey and then pass rusher or RB. When we didn’t move I thought we’d take Ingram and I figured that was fine, but—OK Coples—as a long time fan I pray Rex gets the most out of this group.

  49. By tsalley on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Draft was good for the Jets, Solid B IMO. Every DE has bust potential, all of em even Ingram. Coples is bigger, faster, and stronger then Ingram with talent so I like the pick. Hill is the first Jet receiver i’ve been excited about in a long time. You can’t judge the draft right now though, every anaylst praised the Jets for Drafting Sanchez grading the Jets at an A, even Kiper, now they all bash him. Give it a year. If Hunter turns the corner and becomes the tackle he should be then all is gravy. If not hopefully one of the rooks can step in. Only time will tell.

  50. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    DE Quinton Coples, WR Stephen Hill, OLB Demario Davis.Terrance Ganaway, I feel can fill the gaps. If you look at Gannaway’s record, we may have a running back that will compliment the running game that we so badly needed. Hill and Couples were good picks, and if they perform the way the did in college we might compete with NE (I can dream can’t I).

  51. By scjoe on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Wow, what a surprise! Sounds like what I have been saying all along. Did the majority of you, who feel this was a “productive” draft ever consider the fact that SOME of these experts, some of these football minds may be correct and you are wrong? Nah, I didn’t think so. Sure, you can’t put a grade on the draft from a production standpoint two days after the draft, but you can put a grade on the needs, and this is where the Jets failed miserably. Like it or not.

  52. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    You hit it out of the galaxy with that Kiper quote on Russell, Matt Z!

  53. By scjoe on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    I think Paul N said it best above, when he said, “sure, we needed a pass rusher, but the need for the O line and SS and FS far outweighed the need for a pass rusher” Yet the safety position was not even addressed until the 6th and 7th rounds, the O line? Not at all! Anyone, and I mean ANYONE who follows the NY Jets would tell you RT was “probably” there biggest need. Well?? Yes Ira, there are still many unsigned UFAs out there yet. Question is, at this point are there any that are upgrades to what we had starting at RT? To me, only one comes to mind, Carey. Not a big time upgrade, but an upgrade. So lets see where that goes.

  54. By russ on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Tebow will do what for us? I keep forgetting,…play rt tackle?

  55. By joe on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    GUYS in ALL REALITY DEBATING OVER 2012 JET DRAFT CHOICES IS LIKE FIGHTING OVER WHO HAD THE BEST DECK CABIN ON THE TITANTIC .ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NONE OF ANY OF IT MATTERS IN THE LEAST BIT because until this team GETS A PRO BOWL QB in here WE GOT NO SHOT AT A SUPER BOWL.The Jets are nothing but a WATERDOWN VERSION OF THE SF 49 .The NINERS with ALL THEIR TALENT REALIZED THEY cant win the SB without a PRO BOWL QB hence they TRIED LIKE CRAZY TO GET PAYTON .(a 15 plus win team realizes this ans we dont come on )

  56. By joe on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    E MANNING A ROGERS ,D BREES, B ROTHESBURGER ,P MANNING ,T BRADY .Check your history guys you will see that EVERY SUPERBOWL the past 12 years was won buy one of them qbing the team.With the RULES TODAY NO DEFENCE is going to be able to shut them down for the amount of games needed to win the sb We need to match firepower with firepower .Last year Denver tried to play 80s style football at NE NET RESULT THEY WERE OUTSCORED BY SOMETHING LIKE 3 TO 1 .

  57. By joe on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    LOL its the same THING EVERY YEAR the SAINTS ,STEELERS, PATS, PACK ,GIANTS, COLTS (with P MANNING )fight OVER THE NEXT LOMBARDI .The rest of the NFL teams fight over who gets lucky enough to draft a qb thats good enough to play with them .History dictates thats basically all the Nfl is today

  58. By jetsfan80 on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Continuing from previous post…Gannaway was a good pick at RB that late in the draft. And I really think getting Allen that late in the draft was a steal as well. If you bring in Tebow to run some plays, you’d better have some guys that are used to running some style of an option if you expect success…Kerley, Hill, Gannaway, “the other” Robert Griffin all fit the bill. Coples will be fine as soon as he becomes part of a defense that puts him in positions where he will excel. The Jets will. I personally think Coples will be a great DE for us. Look at the size of our linemen now, for cryin’ out loud…6’8″ 315, 6’6″ 284, and 6’4″ 315…an OL’s worst nightmare. This should free up our LBs to make more plays this year as well.

  59. By marcus c boyce on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    ALOT OF YOU CALL YOURSELFS JETS FANS , IF YOU CAN’T STICK BY YOUR TEAM CHANGE I WAS BORN A JET WIN OR NOT, THIS WAS THE BEST DRAFT NEED HAD IN YEARS WE GOT YOUNGER WITH EXPERIENCE, WE GOT DEPTH NOW AT ALL POSITION NOW MT.T, SAID THAT HUNTER IS THE RT, NOW HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW IT, STARTING NOW IF NOT THERE WILL BE SOMEBODY ESLE BY THE START OF THE SEASON, AND HILL HOW MANY TIME’S HAVE YOU SEEN MOSS GO ACROSS THE MIDDLE? BUT HE IS LOOKING AT THE HF, SO THEIR YOU HAVE IT.

  60. By Jimmer on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, we got old in a hurry? We have a grand total of 6 players that are 30 or older. And we shouldn’t even count Bo who has only been in the NFL for 5 yrs. Sure, our OLB’s are 31&32, and we all know this will be BS’s last year(if he even makes it). We are not old.

  61. By Jimmer on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, our former RT McEnzie is still out there as a FA. Why we let him walk still makes me scratch my head, or is that just dandruff?

  62. By GaryC on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, we did not have a need for a pass rusher,that wasn’t a top priority,teams can always handle one pass rusher,but with Maybin,Coples and possibly Davis teams will have to deal with three.when was the last time a jet had double digit sacks,Hill gives us the physical and fast receiver we need,we might have Landry,Allen and Bush as our younger,faster safetys,Griffin will be the guard when the jets finally release brandon moore,and you say the jets addressed nothing.

  63. By GaryC on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, you’re ready to give up on Mcelroy already,for Kinnie a 6’1 qb who played for tulsa,sorry Jerry Rhome he isn’t unless he had Howard Twilley,old football fans can look those guys up.I already stated to jetfantom,in my eyes McElroy can be a bart starr type of quarterback,cerebral but not all the physical qualities,but we have seen many of these type of qbs be successful.

  64. By Eli Rodriguez on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks IRA, you sort of confirmed my suspicion—-McElroy will be gone. I believe someone with brains will pick him up (COWBOYS). And he’ll shine but not for the Jets.

  65. By GaryC on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    joe, I will take the watered down version of the 49’ers pass rush from last year which I never saw in Jersey.just a little moisture would of been sufficient.

  66. By N Y J all the way on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    I agree you need fire power to betat fire power, but take a second and analyze, you mentioned san fran last year, why didnt they make the SB? It wasnt cause of Eli, it wasnt cause of alex smith, it was because they couldnt hang on to the football, thats it! Why didnt baltimore beat the pats? Because the couldnt kick a stinkin chip shot field goal, the little things make champs or busts, look at what sanchez did in 09 and 10, i can assure you he was not the reason Lost, we had a lead at half time in indy and next year we were seconds away from the comeback at pitt, our defense let us down both games not the offense, any ways one final thought, look at eli mannings numbers his first 3 years, any thoughts?

  67. By wayne on May 1, 2012 | Reply

    Bottomline, there’s going to be a reckoning if this team crashes. The way they are configured, it could get ugly. If that happens they’ll have to blow the whole thing up. Don’t know if that means T goes too, but somebody is going. It’s an understatement to say I’m shocked they didn’t address OL issues. I’m going to hope they have “arrangements” already with couple a FAs…..Based on the draft and Rookie FA signings, there’s a heavy emphasis on defense. Rex is putting all his chips on his ability to coach and call a defensive game….Boys, looks like he plans to win games 6 – 4.

  68. By 40 year fan on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    I think we had a pretty good draft . I like Coples , he can get to the QB . We still need help on the o line , but we still have time before pre season starts . Gotta bring in some talent . I still would love to see Braylon return and J Co . Rookie recievers are scary , very scary .

  69. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    If you wanna complain about our draft, complain about our not getting a #4 pick because for some weird reason we had to get Tebow. We coulda used that pick to get an OT, an OLB, or anything else some of you guys rightly say we still need. What we DIDN’T need was an over-hyped, under-talented, absurdly pious joke of a QB who can’t throw, reads D’s at a Pop Warner level, and whose presence on the team will only complicate, and possibly undermine, Sanchez’s crucial fourth season. Unless some QB coach can really get Tebow up to speed on how to play the position in the NFL — and Matt Cavanaugh’s name does NOT come to mind in that context — Rex’s claim that the pickup of Tebow improves the grade for our draft is typical Rex nonsensical spin.

  70. By IRA on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    Well Folk is going to have some decent competition this summer. Brown is a lifetime 81% kicker even though he had an off year last year with the Rams. Novak last summer pushed Folk to the end and they went with the more experienced kicker. Folk could be really fighting for his job. All this B. Irvin talk is a joke. I think he is going to be a one trick pony and be a pass rusher only. He is too small to play every down and to waste a 1st rd pick on him was crazy by the Seahawks. There is no way the Jets would’ve taken him at 16.

  71. By uncle joe on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I loved the way Hill acted when we drafted him,Awesome. Yeah, the White kid(his last name not his color) sounds promising but, I’m loving the Ganaway pick, he looks like one of those Profesional silent leaders. And yeah Gary C,,,all these drafted players just seem like really good,unselfish kids. They all seem to have sacrificed for their teams at a time in their life where THEIR stats would’ve helped them financially.All seem like Team First Players.

  72. By uncle joe on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    Teams were moving up in this draft for peanuts, the Jets could’ve grabbed any one of these RTs if they wanted to. I still look back to our playoff run two years ago when Woody went down, Hunter stepped in and played LIGHTS OUT for us against really good Defenses including the Steelers,Twice! The whole line played crappy last year,not just him and I’m still also not giving up on Ducasse either!

  73. By FL.PETE on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    Somebody PLEASE show me the stats that made NE draft picks better than ours… chandler jones had 10 total sacks in college while Coples had 23, Hightower is a credible LB but he had 2 knee surgeries in college which was the flaws about him before the draft process… Will his production exceed that of Davis for the Jets who was a 4 year starter and Captain himself, I Dont Think So… The Patriots Got and A grade for those 2 picks while the Jets received a C, how Bogus is that…

  74. By FL.PETE on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    And for all this desperate RT requests, let the coaches coach up the guys we have… Hunter was only so bad because we passed the ball almost 70 percent of the time last season… Our guys will do a better job with a balanced attack!!!

  75. By IRA on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    Gary, No i am not ready to give up on McElroy i think he has something. Trouble is the comments he made at the end of the year i think put a sour note on him.

  76. By DKM on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    IRA agree with you on Irvin 100% there was no way we had him there at 16, with all the value that was left on the Board.

    Jimmer well we played like it thats what im saying at least in regards to our LB core with the acception of Harris who is still one of the best ILB’s in the game.
    Questioning me about our age and then for you to turn around and bring up McKenzie to scjoe makes me scratch my Head mmmhhh.

    GaryC arent we a little to over optimistic here arent we, just a little short of calling the new aquired Jets passrusch the new Sack exchange, interesting.

  77. By DKM on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    Joe im totaly down on this Fanchise for the first time in years, but your gloom and doom is topping everything ive ever seen. Your names dropping of QB’s who have won SB in the last Decade is just mind blowing. So i assume in your opinion this franchise will never win a SB until they Draft a QB with the ability of a Brady or Manning’s, no matter what they do to improve this Team. And the fact that QB’s of the likes of these guys dont grow on trees doesnt matter at all. SO WHAT ABOUT MARINO and KELLY was your opinion back then the same or would be your opinion the same today if we had one of these guys playing for us. I still think you can win with a QB who isnt Elite or whatever you wanna call it if, you build the right team around him.

  78. By Tom Spicer on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    You haven’t heard of Stephen Hill because he was a wide receiver in Georgia Tech’s triple-option offense. That means he was just a deep threat and blocker, much like Demaryius Thomas a few years back. But Hill is 6’4/215 with freakish 4.36 speed and a 39.5 inch vertical. In other words, he was one of the best raw athletes in the draft. The Jets are already making Calvin Johnson comparisons and saying Hill is expected to start opposite Santonio Holmes right away.

  79. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    @ Walt. Nate Eachus is from Hazleton, PA, and was a star LB and RB for the local high school. He played LB in the Big 33 game. He will be a valuable asset to any team because he has good hand, runs about 4.56 in the 40, is over 6 feet and is strong and pretty smart. He can play special teams as well as RB. His pelvis injury slowed him down his Senior year at Colgate, but he is now healthy again. I hope he makes the NFL. I was hoping the Jets would at least give him a shot. KC has alot of RB’s, so I hope he can stick somewhere.
    As for this draft, I was upset that they didn’t draft an offensive lineman in the 3rd round as they could have had Massie. However, I think the Jets finally started to draft players based value not need.

  80. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    I think they have brought in a few UFA’s that might help and still could sign someone like a Kareem McKenzie to play for a couple of years as they did with Damien Woody in the past for right tackle. Who knows, maybe the rook from Baylor can be moved to RT? Also, they have a real off season this year to better coach some of the positions. I think Coples will have a chip on his shoulder and come in and play in spots. Still think Mike Devito is a great run stopper and will play most of the time at DE and that Coples will be moved into many different positions. If all goes well, this could be one of the best drafts they have had in a few years. Hopefullly, no Vernon Ghoulston or Vladimir Ducasse in this crop! They still need a better QB!

  81. By DKM on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    It is the current regime and there inability and ineptniss to maintain a winning Team with the very good core we have, that has me somewhat concerned. That we went 2 years in the row to the AFC Championship game is quite a accomplishment but you supposed to build on that not going backwards, and what the FO and the Coaching stuff have done last year is in my opinion not enough to take advantage of the nucleus we have in place and if you ask me this offseason isnt exactly going this way either. It is not enough to say we might have somthing here and there we proud of this and that and we can build on this and think he is a great asset, if you do this every year you fall short then you just being mediocre and start from the beginning.

  82. By DKM on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    All im saying we are in th 4th year of this regime and what ive seen so far this Offseason does not convince me that we are close to anything and if you that long into your Tenure in the NFL and been to 2 AFC CSG’s you schould be a serious SB contender and i dont see it.
    Instead a lot of turmoil, nonesense Trades, puplicity stunts, untruthfull statement, Owner issues (paying more attention too who is going to be our next President than whats really going on with this Team) and a loyal Fan Base treated like the little Stepchild.

  83. By DKM on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    GO look at the Roster on this very website anybody and tell me after going thru it you realy satisfied with our T position cause if you do then i admire your optimism.
    That we didnt seriously adressed it is beyond me. And dont tell me the S is not of a concern.

    Another thing how many QB’s can you invite, has the QB BUG bitten the Jets or what, isnt that spot better served for OL men or any other Position. Just saying.

  84. By DKM on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah arcording to some fans here Hill has allready turned into Moss without stepping on the field yet, common man can we wait and see.

  85. By IRA on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    I always felt Vilma was a stand up guy. This bounty thing is real bad and i thought he would get about 8 games. I am glad he got a year and hope these type of actions never happen again. The sport is dangerous enough no reason to make it worse.

  86. By scjoe on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, you say the “younger and faster safety’s” Bush ran a4.68, worse then Smith. Why did he last till the 6th round? You say Griffin WILL be the guard when we release Moore. I say, he has to make the roster first. He is a big boy who has major difficulty with speed rushers, can you say Wayne Hunter? Hill? With his limited roll in the GT offense you can sit here and guarantee that he will even emerge as a starter? Yes he has great speed, SO what! What does that guarantee? But don’t just take my word for it, look at what 95% of the “experts” had the draft rated, especially in the area of need.

  87. By scjoe on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, a little more about Hill, just in case you haven’t been following my recent debate with 64. He is a guy very similar to Schilens who the Jets signed in free agency. Same height, weight, speed etc. So with that in mind why on earth would you not only use a 2nd round pick. but also give up a 5 and a 6 in the process? With all the other needs you give up 2 picks to move up for a carbon copy of what you already have. Is my point becoming clearer about the draft?

  88. By GaryC on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    to all the logan payne fans out there and you know who you are,he never made it to be TRAINING CAMP FODDER,that says it all about the talent he really had not.

  89. By GaryC on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    Hopefully Jordan white can take over the fifth wideout postion and handle the kickoff and punt returns and maybe get a low round pick for Turner,jets say they look under every rock for talent,look under every rock to acquire draft picks.

  90. By scjoe on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    NYJ all the way. You could make a case that Sanchez WAS the reason we lost that championship game to Pitt. Take a close look at his first half stats in that game. I believe they were something like 6 of 16 for about 40 yards. So you can make the point that if he converts a few of those 3rd downs, as opposed to all of those 3 and outs, and the offense stays on the field a little more then those 8 minutes or so we had the ball. Everything is relative my friend.

  91. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    40 yr, “Rookie receivers are scary, very scary” is the attitude that’s kept this team from developing Pro Bowlers. Revis was a little scary in his first yr, too. I’m still laughing about the fool on this site who in the yr we first started Sanchez said of Greene, “Are we supposed to start A ROOKIE with our season on the line?” scjoe, just because the always-hurt Schilens is the same kind of WR as Hill doesn’t mean they’re equal in potential, Tebow is the same kind of QB as Ben R and how’s that workin’ for him? DKM, why are you fretting over how many QBs we bring into camp? Do you see Chris Pizzotti jamming up the works at Florham Park these days? GaryC, thanks for the level-headedness on Payne and Turner, more “fan favorites” we don’t need.

  92. By GaryC on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    to dkm and scjoe,continue to be pessimistic if you like,dkm when did I say the jets had the new sack exchange,at least give them time,scjoe,why do you say that you can compare shillens to hill,because your reading stats,Most draft picks make the teams,look how long gholston stayed and I know griffin was a lower pick but believe he has the goods to replace moore.If you guys are pessismistic about this draft the jets might as well trade all their picks for the next ten years,maybe optimism will reign then.

  93. By GaryC on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, sometimes you take chances on potential,trading extra picks for Hill really is not that bad considering we had the compensatories.you compare hill to shillens what about Toon and Rob Moore,I like that better,optimistcally speaking of course.this year I am looking at the glass half full instead of half empty.

  94. By Allan O'Dane on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    R.I.P. Junior Seau…Played the game as it should be played….Even greater person off the field…Prayers go out to his family and friends and his NFL family….

  95. By Eli Rodriguez on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    IRA, I’m glad you’re not ready to give up on McElroy neither am I. Today, in a piece by a Lynda Altman she said “C.J. KINNE is coming to compete for the 3rd QB spot.” Heck the first and second spot are vacant too. The Jets will never win, GOD don’t like ugly.

  96. By joe on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    DKM Marino and Kelly played in a different era but dont foget they still lost to QB in SUPERBOWLS that were HOF (MONTANA and Aikman )Today TWO RULES HAVE TOTALLY CHANGED THE GAME (HITTING THE QB AND DEFENCELESS RECIEVER DOWNFIELD)History speaks for itself BASICALLY THE SAME TEAMS WITH THE SAME ELITE QBS FLIP FLOP LoMBARDIS every year this is fact .I mentioned the NINERS WHY WOULD ANY 15-1 TEAM WANT TO SPEND 90 MILLION DOLLARS ON A FREE AGENT QB (they know they aint winning it all with a game manager not today)

  97. By GaryC on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    to all the people who thought Riley Rieff was the answer, Mike Haight,same school, same position, that worked wonders.

  98. By GaryC on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    dkm, gastineau second round pick,northeast oklahoma state, klecko low round pick out of temple,abdul salaam,Kent state,you probably killed those picks when they were made or did you know these players would play great.

  99. By joe on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    DKM personally IAM DOWN ON THE JETS AS IAM TIRED OF 43 YEARS OF LOSING Rex with his idle boasts and guarantees really just ampliyfied the entire debacle(ON TOP OF WHICH WE HAVE THE TEBOW CIRCUS )Every NETWORK PROGRAM on the NFL ALWAYS RESULTS in someone poking fun at this organization AND ITS JUSTIFYED.The defination of insanity is doing something twice the EXACT SAME WAY AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT .OUR APPROACH to building a team IS THE POLAR OPPOSITE OF EVERY SB WINNING FRANCHISE IN THE NFL.Its not working its time WE MOVE ON AND LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES

  100. By Beau C. on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    I dont know why after one bad year, granted it was terrible so many jet fans are ready to Hang Rex. He did take us to back to back AFC title games. Who else did that for us???? As far as MR. T goes he will be the fall guy if there is one. The best offseason move was bringing in Tony S. I believe he and Rex are going to make a great match and he is a general unlike schotty. The team will be under much better control both on the field and in the locker room. As far as Coples goes take a look at what Rex did with Maybin last year if you think Coples took a year off (which I dont). This team needs to get younger and faster on defense it was exploited last year how slow we were on D and we are a defense first team. The OL will be worked out.

  101. By Beau C. on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    The running game will be much more creative as well with Tony calling the plays taking pressure off that soft right side which will help the confidence of the group as a whole. Also taking the pressure off Sanchez which we can all say if you watched last year got killed all year.

  102. By GaryC on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, how does size and speed manifest to a guy becoming great,more goes into it like work ethic,character,maybe hill has more of those traits then shillens,Coples is bigger than Gastineau so he will have more sacks career wise,sounds like a good number one pick to me,according to your criteria,if measurables are the same,basically you are the same player.

  103. By scjoe on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    64, as I said before, no one knows at this point which of the two (Hill or Schilens) will turn out to be the better pro. All I can say, and this is with history on my side, it really doesn’t matter who was drafted high and who was not drafted at all or drafted low. Again, that is not my point. My point is questioning the need for ANOTHER big tall fast WR when one was already in place. And to give up a couple of extra picks to boot. An OT in that spot instead (with out giving up the extra picks) made much, much more sense. There is no denying that.

  104. By scjoe on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, my pessimism notwithstanding, (there is good reason for it) besides, it will not be a major factor on how any individual game plays out. Anyway, your problem is you compare to many players of yesteryear who played at a particular school or a particular position with those coming out today. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

  105. By KirkW on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    Always remember that several of the so-called ‘experts’ seriously thought Ryan Leaf was better than Peyton Manning and should have been picked #1. Be patient and wait 2 years….

  106. By scjoe on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    Garyc, I can compare Schilens to Hill simply based on their size, speed, weight, and athletic ability AND the position they play. That said, as I mentioned just above to 64, no one knows which of the two will turn out to be an all pro (if either) but there just was no need for two position players that similar in what they bring to the table. Especially with all the other needs. Don’t think for a minute it is a knock on either of the two, but rather the strategy that was put forth.

  107. By scjoe on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    One more point GaryC. You mention Gastineau, Klecko and Salaam and their draft positions and their eventual production, but for every Gastineau, Klecko and Salaam there is a Russell, Gholston, Klingler and Blair Thomas. That is the draft! But I still believe in percentages.

  108. By Christian on May 2, 2012 | Reply

    I just realized something. we traded for an option quarterback, then drafted an option WR, G and RB in Hill, Griffin and Gallaway…hmmm…, also I feel like people who think we need a pass rusher at OLB think that Bryan Thomas is going to start opposite Pace. and of course, that is a perfectly logical conclusion since he was the starter last year until he got hurt. however, a lot of things I have read concerning the pass rush points towards Aaron Maybin as the starter. And finally, Mr. Eli Rodriguez, I am extremely upset, as a TU fan, to see you misspell G.J.’s name. it’s G.J. not C.J.

  109. By gus on May 3, 2012 | Reply

    jets went for speed and risky picks………….but wait isnt the entire draft based on production in nfl,speed and youth was missing on this team with some of last years rookies this can be a very solid team………..good draft compared to years past

  110. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on May 3, 2012 | Reply

    Out of the two big and fast WRs, scjoe, Schilens is without question the one we didn’t need. Just like Tebow is without question the QB we didn’t need.

  111. By Eli Rodriguez on May 3, 2012 | Reply

    I apologize Mr. Christian for the misspell- I didn’t realize you TU fans are so sensitive. Football is a men game and feelings will be hurt. Once again my sincere apology.

  112. By scjoe on May 3, 2012 | Reply

    64, Now that was funny. LOL Want my opinion on the QBs? We didn’t need either! Just one “real” one would be great. But on a more serious note re: the two WRs. time will tell my friend. You do realize though, Hill had a grand total of 49 receptions throughout his college career? Not just last season, his entire career! So, if, as you say, he will be a day 1 starter, it will be interesting to say the least!

  113. By joe on May 3, 2012 | Reply

    SC JOE and how can we forget Browning Nagle,Dave Categon and Roger Vick .SC Joe iam going to give you some factual data THAT BEST DESCRIBES JUST HOW BAD THIS ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN AT DRAFTING PLAYERS.The PITTSBURGH STEELERS in one draft (1974 )drated 4x the AMOUNT OF HALL OF FAME PLAYERS THAN WE HAVE DRAFTED IN OUR 50 YEAR EXISTANCE.That is MIND BOGGLING FUTALITY

  114. By joe on May 3, 2012 | Reply

    ps BEAU ANOTHER FACTOR you have forgotton about REASONS WE WANT TO HANG REX is the IDLE BRAGGING ,BOASTING AND GUARANTEES OF SUPER BOWL VICTORYS TO COME .Last year for example REX GUARANTEED ALL OF US LONG SUFFERING FANS A LOMBARDI TROPHY.Beau do you know just how many games we won ALL OF LAST SEASON AGAINST TEAMS WITH WINNING RECORDS =THE ANSWER IS NONE.Instead of a super bowl victory WE WERE A ROMO FUMBLE FROM A LOSING RECORD

  115. By scjoe on May 4, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, lets not forget Reggie Rembert (2nd round) Coleman Rudolph (rd 2) Ryan Yarborough (rd 2) Alex Van Dyke (rd2) David Leverne (rd 2) Mike Haight (rd 1) The list goes on and on and on and on my friend.

  116. By joe on May 4, 2012 | Reply

    SC Joe never forget i was in a sports bar (WEARING JET GREEN )SURROUNDED BY GIANTS FANS.The NFL NETWORK show THE TOP 10 MOST SNAKEBIT FRANCHISES OF ALL TIME COMES ON . The introduction for THE JET SEGMENT (you knew we were making the list )WAS DONE BY ARTIE LANGE and HE(LANGE) REALLY PUTS INTO PERSPECTIVE WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE A JET FAN.The GIANTS FANS were sympathic and curious as to why ITS ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO THE SAME OLD JETS.This franchise never learns FROM THE FRANCHISES THAT WIN.

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