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Revis Shows His Focus at Today’s OTA Practice

Posted by Randy Lange on May 31, 2012 – 2:44 pm

Updated, 3:50 p.m. ET

It’s really old news to talk with Darrelle Revis about making plays on the practice field in May, but he did again at today’s media-availability OTA practice at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center, and so we did as well.

“I think it’s just work ethic, working hard , trying to stay on the top of your game. That’s what I do,” No. 24 said in the locker room after the practice. “It goes back to where I grew up in Pittsburgh, a steel-mill-type city, in a city that loves its football. It began with just working hard in high school, on the field, then watching the film. The coaches introduced us to that a little bit then, they pushed it a little, we worked hard, and I carried it over to college and on into the pros.”

“Revis is Revis,” head coach Rex Ryan said at his just completed news conference this afternoon. “People say, why is he the best? He’s the best because he competes every single day. I throw balls out there in those defensive walkthrough things, and he’ll pick those off all the time. He’s going to maximize it. That guy’s going to have no regrets when his career is over.”

The Revis competitive instincts and work ethic were in evidence on a couple of plays today. On one 7-on-7 red zone drill, Tim Tebow was rolling right and WR Dexter Jackson was following Tebow 15 yards downfield in the end zone, heading for the left corner. The drawn-out play seemed sure to result in a score. Except that Revis was in coverage.

Tebow let the ball fly, it was on a line, it was headed for Jackson’s hands … and then Revis laid out a few feet in front and tipped it expertly away, well past Jackson, down the hill and onto the drive that rings the Jets’ practice fields. Touchdown averted.

Second-round pick Stephen Hill, who had a spectacular 7-on-7 grab earlier, from Tebow and not against Revis, was victimized in 11-on-11′s as Revis swatted away a Mark Sanchez pass into the end zone for the rookie.

“We rarely go against each other because I’ll be on the other side,” Hill said, “but when we do, I’ll catch one or two a day. He works hard on every play against everybody. I can say that sometimes I’ll be trying to run my route and he doesn’t even move. He just knows what’s coming.”

The practice work ethic, whether in May or December, the preparation at all times, the All-Pro performances have made Revis Island a destination to avoid for NFL receivers. It’s also made Revis’ contract situation a source of media and fan speculation, and a few reporters today wanted to try to pin down Darrelle’s mindset about this coming training camp and season. His repeated message to inquiring minds: “I’m getting ready for the season.”

He sounds as if he’s not the only one doing that. Ryan, Mike Pettine and several players have said the same thing about the pace of these practices. On the one hand, it’s easy to be up-tempo heading toward the full-squad minicamp in mid-June, and that doesn’t necessarily say anything about how things will be at training camp or for those three out of four games on the road in December that will wrap up the regular season.

But on the other hand, it’s definitely better to feel the vibe now than to feel no vibe.

“I think it’s a positive energy around here,” Revis said. “What happened last year, nobody’s getting into that. It’s just the focus of a new year, and hopefully this is the year for us to reach the promised land.”

Practice Notes

Top pick Quinton Coples was active. He barged into the backfield in 11-on-11′s to reject a Sanchez pass, then in two-minute to end practice he stormed in on Greg McElroy, with the two tumbling harmlessly to the ground while G-Mac’s pass fell incomplete. “It was a productive practice,” Coples said. “I don’t know if it was a good practice. I’m looking forward to getting to watch the film this afternoon.”

Hill had one of the catches of the OTA practice, going down the left sideline with CB Kyle Wilson, rising high in the air for a Tebow throw, latching onto the ball and then tumbling to the ground inbounds for the 30-yard grab. “Hill’s fast, he’s got size and speed,” said Ryan. “He gets off the press way better than I thought he would. That’s where I thought he’d struggle. Guys come into the league, ‘OK, you can be fast, but let’s see how fast you are getting off this press.’ That’s something that’s been surprising to me.”

Add in third-round LB Demario Davis. Ryan said he misplayed the wheel route on the last play of a two-minute series today, but otherwise, “For the most part he did a great job. He’s been flying around, making his presence felt.”

And summing up the Jets’ Draft Class of 2012, and especially the first three choices, the coach said, “I’m really excited about this class and how they’re progressing.”

Comings and Goings

Ryan said he expects WR Santonio Holmes back from Germany for next week’s OTA workouts. As for S LaRon Landry, who has been rehabbing away from the Jets’ facility, Rex said he doesn’t expect Landry to miss too much of a beat with the Jets’ defense when training camp comes around. “This is a voluntary thing,” the  coach said of OTAs. “Do I think he’s going to struggle picking up our defense when training camp comes around, playing alongside Yeremiah Bell and Eric Smith? No, I don’t. He’s got a playbook and all that. Guys learn differently.”

The Jets have made a Beehive State exchange on their roster. They waived tackle John Cullen, the undrafted rookie from the University of Utah, and signed undrafted rookie TE Tarren Lloyd (6’7″, 258) from Utah State. The roster remains at 90 players.

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102 Responses to “Revis Shows His Focus at Today’s OTA Practice”

  1. By IRA on May 31, 2012 | Reply

    There is nothng left to say about Revis besides the fact he is the best CB to ever play in the NFL. He tops Sanders for sure.

  2. By Bennett on May 31, 2012 | Reply

    Interesting that you bring up Marcus McNeil. I to am baffled as to why he is still out there. 2 time pro-bowler 6’7″ 336lbs held out then signed a 6 yr 48,mil contract with the Charges then was released 3/12. He did have some knee surgeries but I don’t believe it was significant. Maybe someone has some more insight on this. I would like to know more. Might be to expensive for us at this time .Who knows ? Would be a heck of an addition for us, Expect O line to be way improved this season anyway, big let down last year

  3. By Jimmer on May 31, 2012 | Reply

    Easy Ira, we can’t place Revis in the HOF just yet. Play him, 1 on 1 with Wes Welker for the entire game, if he shuts WW down completely, then even I may join your opinion.

  4. By robertpapalia on May 31, 2012 | Reply

    I am sick and tired if people like Cimini who hate the Jets and want to make trouble for them by stirring up trouble for them. Why do they keep grilling Revis about his contract when he said continously that he is getting ready for the season. Maybe they have vested interest in seeing the team fail. I wish they would do responsible journalism and not sensationilism. A real pity.

  5. By jetfanoverseas on May 31, 2012 | Reply

    Boy, don’t you think Kyle Wilson is blessing his lucky star that Hill was drafted by the Jets, rather than some other team in the AFC East? He has been beaten by Hill on 50-yard bombs two weeks in a row!

  6. By Jimmer on May 31, 2012 | Reply

    After reading a story, other than this one, Something got my attention. McElroy is running the 2nd team 2 minute drill. This does have me feeling good. As I’ve stated before, there is a reason we refused to trade McElroy during the Tebow trade. That old gm that said to always draft a QB might have been right. The kid really has it all but the Elway cannon.

  7. By GaryC on May 31, 2012 | Reply

    Ira calling revis the best ever,I can see a holdout looming.

  8. By MIKE on May 31, 2012 | Reply

    IRA you are so right and so wrong.These guys are two completely different players. Deion would give up 3-5 catches a game but part of that was baiting QB’s into thinking WR were open and going for the pick. Revis is so good at blanketing WR’s, QB’s don’t even look at them. But WR’s and QB’s are better than they have ever been, I would go Revis anyway.

    Only game Revis looked sub par was against the Bills when Stevie Johnson lit him up. Revis looked injured or ill that game.

  9. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jun 1, 2012 | Reply

    No, Ira, another thing to say about Revis is that he seems to be developing multiple personalities. There’s the guy who talks about his work ethic and desire and the guy who can’t make up his mind whether he’s going to hold out again — as well as the guy who actually did hold out twice already.

  10. By IRA on Jun 1, 2012 | Reply

    So as i expected this is how i feel this Revis issue will play out unless a deal is done before camp. He will show up and end up riding the bike with some sort of injury until a deal is done. He has the same agents that Kendall has and that will be their plan. Only thing is they traded Kendall and they can’t trade the best CB in the history of the NFL. Revis will end up getting a deal that will make him the highest paid defensive player in the NFL for the next 4 yrs. Just keep in mind that even if you sign a contract they mean nothing really for either side. You are the best around you deserve to be paid for it and once they don’t need you well you get cut.

  11. By since shea on Jun 1, 2012 | Reply

    Revis needs to play year three of his four yr deal while Mr. T crafts the extension this year, ahead of his final year. If he plays any games like Ira is thinking, he may just begin to turn a fan base against him, and rightfully so. Let him sit home without a paycheck for two years. Bolster our pass rush and deal with a different CB

  12. By IRA on Jun 1, 2012 | Reply

    Revis is not going to commit to saying anything thats ok its a business he is playing his cards.
    Revis is one of the better tackling CB’s around. sanders never wanted any type of contact at all. Two different types of players.
    Don’t take too much out of McElroy running a 2 min drill in front of Tebow in OTA’s. Tebow might not be up to speed just yet. What i do hope is that is a sign of things to come once camp starts because i would rather McElroy run the offense if he can than tailor an offense around Tebow if anything were to make Sanchez miss games.

  13. By kerry c flood on Jun 1, 2012 | Reply

    i think Revis will not hold out it will make him look bad to the fan.

  14. By wayne on Jun 1, 2012 | Reply

    Way to go Ira. Some of you bellyache about this country moving towards socialism, and have problem with that, until a man wants to get paid. What do you believe exactly. There are guys out there worth billions for strumming guitars, beating drums and noone’s crying bout it…..Replace the band aid or trade him……A MAN’S WORTH WHAT SOMEONE IS WILLING TO PAY HIM. THAT’S THE CAPITALIST, AMERICAN WAY……………….ALL CONTRACTS ARE RE NEGOTIABLE IN THE NOT FOR LONG LEAGUE. THE ONE’S THAT GET CUT DON’T GET REPORTED ON ESPN. These guys don’t do what most of us have to do, so I’ll be realistic and not grade him by layperson’s criteria……The man’s work ethics is unquestioned. PAY HIM OR TRADE HIM.

  15. By wayne on Jun 1, 2012 | Reply

    ONLY THING THAT KEEPS REVIS OUT OF HOF IS INJURIES. Got no attachment to any player, but have no probs a man gettin’ paid…………

  16. By scjoe on Jun 1, 2012 | Reply

    Love Revis “on the playing field” not so much off. When does the greed end and the loyalty begin? That said, the only thing missing from Revis game is the INTs. A couple of years ago it could be said that opposing offenses don’t throw his way to much, not true anymore. I think those INTs should come before he is anointed the best ever.

  17. By Allan O'Dane on Jun 1, 2012 | Reply

    I would like to see Revis honor his contract. He’s supposed to be a leader on this team. They need him out there…he makes the QB’s better in practice. I agree that he deserves to be paid for being the best in the business , but you can work this out during the season. Just hope both sides work something out…..SOON!…this team does not need anymore distractions. Hey…anybody knows what’s going on with Landry????? I

  18. By GaryC on Jun 1, 2012 | Reply

    the jets have had so few players the best at anything that when one arrives like Revis he is annointed the best of all time by some,Names like lem barney, herb adderly and mel blount are forgotton like yesterdays news.Revis will get there one day unless his ego gets in the way,if he reminds me of one player in the past it is Willie Brown,and if Revis can make an interception in a super bowl and run it back for a touchdown that will be SUPER. The greats make the plays when they count most.

  19. By russ on Jun 1, 2012 | Reply

    I can understand a hold out in your last year not in the middle of a contract sorry this is caused by greed not need….

  20. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jun 1, 2012 | Reply

    It’s not about capitalism vs socialism, wayne, though everyone here knows which side of THAT argument I’m on. It’s about honoring your word. I know the NFL doesn’t grade out so high on that sometimes either, but like Allan says this constant (3 times in his career to date) talk of or action of holdouts on Revis’ part is getting a little old. Great as he is, trading him for a solid corner and a couple #1′s wouldn’t be bad either. And scjoe is right about the INTs, last yr was the first time he didn’t drop a couple sure ones. He needs a few more plays a yr like the 100-yd TD INT return to truly be one of the greatest of all time. That and a few more seasons on the field, of course.

  21. By Jake98660 on Jun 2, 2012 | Reply

    I personally couldn’t imagine seeing 24 in anything other color than the green and white.. But I said the same thing a couple years ago about Peyton and a Colts uniform, so I guess anything is possible in todays free agency league. I just remember The Jets moving up to get him in 2007. I remember watching him as he became the undisputed best corner in the league. I hope he doesn’t hold out, it would be a really shame to lose him. However, if he does, he leaves Woody and Mr. T little choice. I just hope it doesn’t come to that…. again.

  22. By Green1 on Jun 2, 2012 | Reply

    Santonio Holmes isn’t at OTA’s… Go figure. He’s a joke. Unfortunately, he’s a joke we’re stuck with. Rex needs to put Santonio in his place and confront Santonio’s subversive ways. Back from Germany… get real. He doesn’t care about football. He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in an article that features Revis. Santonio’s presence alone tarnishes the entire teams work ethic. Germany during OTA’s… Gimme a break

  23. By mjacobs873 on Jun 2, 2012 | Reply

    I love the way Revis plays, but his ethics leave alot to be desired. He signed a front loaded contract. That’s what he wanted, and that’s what he got. Now he’s crying again.Stay home, and pay $30,000.00 a day in fines, and be locked up at a low number for another three years.Makes sense to me. DUH!!!! Be a man, and show up this year, then with only one year left, the contract can be renegotiated. On the QB’s, Soprano says they need to work on their accuracy. Heck, Sanchez has been working in that for four years, and it hasn’t helped. Forget about Tebow. That’ll never happen.

  24. By SCfromNY on Jun 2, 2012 | Reply

    I would hate to have Revis hold out. Look what happened last time. On the other hand it is hard to have a player “honor” his contract when the front office does not have to honor it. Any player is one play away from forced retirement at any time.

    Good to see McElroy getting some work. Hopefully coache will see how good he can be before the Jets trade him somewhere where he will become a pro bowl QB.

  25. By wayne on Jun 2, 2012 | Reply

    Way I see it, after all the giddiness about Tebow throwing 2 ints in first scrimmage, from certain GQites, according the stats, GQ is the dude, piling up the sacks. In live game we know what that will mean with this QB. His numbers are not significantly better than the QB with the 46….It’s OTA, and it seems some Jetaholics are unable to make that distinction, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS……………..MARK SANCHEZ WILL HAVE TO PROVE HIS METTLE IN REAL LIVE GAMES……..Love McElroy’s moxy for saying it like it was. Wasn’t wise thing to do, but always respect a man willing to speak the truth, disregarding consequences, but he’s too short, to slow, not enough arm….He could turn into a nice #2. He will spend much time injured in today’s NFL.

  26. By wayne on Jun 2, 2012 | Reply

    64, I completely am in agreement with you…You got a few years on me but we come from the same mindset..But I have to completely lay all that aside when assessing situation from an NFL prospective…I want this team to win. Know it will have a better oppty to win if Revis stops hijacking the salary cap. But with respect to the way the NFL does it business, I have to side with this player and any other player who wants to get paid…..WHEN HE CAN’T COVER NO MORE, THAT’S IT. There’s no one on this site who wouldn’t try to max their earnings while they can….Our gov’t has designated corporations as indivs and given them better benefits than people and I have no probs with that. SO THE INDIVID TURNS HIMSELF INTO CORPORATION AND GETS HIS CUT.

  27. By Johnnywildfire on Jun 2, 2012 | Reply

    Holmes, Revis, Mcelroy, Tebow: A few thoughts on all the above comments. Regarding Holmes, I bought tickets for me and my family for a dinner as a local Hospice at $150 a pop the money was going to be donated to help the center. The speaker was your bargain backup T.Tebow. They had to reschedule the date because after the trade he was no longer available for the dinner. He wanted to make sure he made all your teams OTAs. He is still speaking at the dinner which will now be in 2 weeks. (You should be thankful you have a ‘backup’ that cares enough to give you that kind of commitment.) Its sad that your big dollar receiver didn’t have that much commitment to his team getting better. As far as Revis. As the top in his position and the

  28. By Johnnywildfire on Jun 2, 2012 | Reply

    top paid in that position, he is and is paid accordingly. As far as Mcelroy playing ahead of Tebow. He has the benefit of 2 years. Tim’s time in the system can be counted in days, if Mcelroy plays ahead and you read into it your really reading more than is there.

  29. By scjoe on Jun 2, 2012 | Reply

    SCfromNY, Police and fire fighters to name a few, also are one day away or one assignment away from forced retirement “or worse” but they don’t “hold out” every couple of years, mid way through their contracts to ask for more money. Factor in, they don’t make a small fraction of what football players earn and you will conclude that this is wrong.

  30. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jun 2, 2012 | Reply

    Right, Green 1, so Holmes says he doesn’t want to go to Germany to visit the troops and gets called unpatriotic. Get real, Holmes needs to be here in May about as much as Brady does. What he needs is a HC who knows offense, an OC who doesn’t act like coaching football is the Manhattan Project, and a QB who can see the field and throw accurately every game at all distances, all the time.

  31. By Bennett on Jun 2, 2012 | Reply

    I think Wayne is correct you can’t fault Revis for wanting as much as he can get out of this billion dollar industry. However he signed at what was at the time a big , generous contract. Just because the deals have moved higher doesn’t mean the Jets should rush to redo his deal. Towards the last year of the contract the team will move to extend his deal so that he is not in a position to test the free agent market and he will get a top of the market deal. Threats to sit just cheapens his image,seems like a spoiled child,and a money grubber.If he does sit call his bluff and trade him. FALL OUT FROM EXTENDING SANCHEZ you did it for him you should do it for me. Again proof T-baum skipped business 101, along with the ethics class

  32. By Jimmer on Jun 2, 2012 | Reply

    Johnnywildfire, TT and GM will both be playing in their first year(s) under Sporano. As will Sanchez. Nobody has a leg up here.

  33. By Tom Spicer on Jun 3, 2012 | Reply

    I read the Jets will be playing more 4 – 3 this year which I think is a good thing it has already been proven that Pace & Thomas can not consistently rush the passer. With Coples & Wilkerson as our 4 – 3 DE’S maybe we can get to the passer better. Other teams have figured out Rex’s blitzes so they are not working as well as they used to.

  34. By MIKE on Jun 3, 2012 | Reply

    Way I see it is, Sanchez will never be an all pro, but he can get this team deep into the playoffs. The key to his success is run game and pass protection. You give any QB time he will more ultimately be successful. And if the run game can get going than it will not force MS to throw the ball 35 times a game. Keep his attempts down and you will see wins.

    I am very curious to see what Jets do at RT. Hunter had a bad year last year but he was great when Woody went down 2 years ago. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Vernon Carey signed before camp. He played for Sparano before and can play Guard and Tackle.

  35. By IRA on Jun 3, 2012 | Reply

    How this whole Revis thing will play out will be he will get a new deal that will make him the highest played defensive player for the next three years. Then once again the contract will be less and he will be 30 or 31 yrs old and at that time MOST players start to lose a step or two and he will either play for what the contract is, asked to take restucture for less, traded or cut. Not too many CB’s don’t lose a step once they hit 30 yrs old or so. Just keep in mind he held QB’s last year that he faced to a QB rating of 1.2 i believe when thrown at in the 4th qt. Plus 45.6 QB rating for the entre season in complete games. After the 1st 8 games a 2.9 QB rating which is mind blowing if you factor in only 3 CB had a 50 or less.

  36. By IRA on Jun 3, 2012 | Reply

    In no way do i even suggest trading Revis but i was asked a question if you are better off having a CB like Revis who takes away one side of the field and paying him all this money or are you better off having just two good CB’s and investing the money into elite pass rushers? I will ask everybody here the same question.

  37. By SCfromNY on Jun 3, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe . . . correct about firemen and police being one bad day from retirement BUT their unions protect them from being cut for no reason. If the NFL can easily void a contract then why shouldn’t a player be able to. Make NFL contracts a lock and I am all for suspending holdouts without pay. A contract should mean something from BOTH sides.

  38. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jun 3, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with you, wayne, SCfromNY, Ira, and scjoe on many points about the Revis thing and with you, Spicer, about the 4-3. Rex seems to have a thing for pledging loyalty to systems — 3-4, “ground and pound” — that he doesn’t have the personnel to make work. Let’s talk about ground and pound when we’ve got somebody like Foster or Peterson and the line that we had in 2009. But my final word on Revis is, while NFL teams may pull dirty tricks at negotiation time, for Revis to be declaring negotiation time is virtually anytime is a mistake and I’m sure there are lots of Jets who don’t like it. He should honor one of his contracts, then do what he needs to do. And I think it was GaryC who said “shutdown corners” don’t win SBs, elite QBs do.

  39. By scjoe on Jun 3, 2012 | Reply

    SCfromNY, valid points SC, but lets remember, players (and their agents, which police and firefighters do not have) agree to these contracts on an individual basis before they sign them. They get their up front money, like Revis did, THEN a year later they decide it’s still not enough, so I will hold out AGAIN, in an effort to get even more. Make no mistake SC, I am not saying the owners are any more loyal then the players are. I just believe that the whole salary structure, in all of sports, is simply way out of line. And I think the only way for an athlete these days to figure that out is to go look for employment in the real world.

  40. By scjoe on Jun 3, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, in the case of Revis, If I could get a deal from another club offering a front line player and a couple of high picks I would do it in a heart beat. Then go out and select the best available CB and best available pass rusher and relieve your self of that unnecessary headache year after year in the process. Sure, Revis has successfully taken away half of the field for opposing offenses the past few years, what do the Jets have to show for it? Given the choice, I would go with the two “good” CBs and the elite pass rushers.

  41. By scjoe on Jun 3, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I think the Jets roster right now is geared more toward playing the 4-3 then the 3-4. Particularly since Ellis has dropped a significant amount of weight. I think Coples and Wilkerson/Dixon at DE and Pouha and Devito/Ellis at DT and a LB core of Maybin and Davis at OLB with Harris in the middle would be pretty formidable. I still see no prototypical NT for the 3-4. That in part is my argument for using the 4-3 as opposed to the 3-4. I also think the 4-3 would get the better 11 on the field with more speed in the process.

  42. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    Before we get too carried away about Sparano or Rex’s allegedly new tight-lipped ways, from Cimini: “Rex Ryan praised Tony Sparano’s ability to coordinate a two-minute offense, comparing his organizational skills to those of Bill Belichick. “Nobody has done it better than the Dolphins in the last few years,” Ryan said. Actually, just about every team has done it better. During his four seasons as the Dolphins’ head coach (2008-2011), Sparano’s offense recorded a league-low 11 TDs in the final two minutes of each half, according to ESPN Stats & Information. (The Colts led with 33 TDs.) The Dolphins also produced the third-lowest point total, 146.”

  43. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    So with White’s injury, it looks like he’ll have a Stuckey-Clowney-type messed-up rookie year. Which means the receiving corps will be Holmes and Hill starting, Kerley, Schilens, and Turner backing up, and maybe some UFA fighting for a 6th spot. Just like we all knew months ago, right, scjoe?

  44. By IRA on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez has already taken the nextstep in trying to becoame a leader and showing his teamates and the fans he has grown. Read his Jets West Camp this year will be closed to the media and the workouts will be private. This is a smart and mature move.
    GO SANCHEZ!!!!

  45. By joe on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    …and where the hell is santonio? this guys attitude is unbeleivable!

  46. By scjoe on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t know 64, are we even sure White makes the final cut? Don’t go by those 140 catches he had in college. I think a healthy BE would solidify the WR position. I would feel a lot better with SH and a healthy BE starting and then working in the best of the rest from there. If Hill is the real deal (which you suspect) work him in, don’t throw him in. A “healthy” BE is more then capable.

  47. By Tom Spicer on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, I have been away for awhile I did not hear about the weight Ellis lost. What is he down to? Also I 100% agree with this “Coples and Wilkerson/Dixon at DE and Pouha and Devito/Ellis at DT and a LB core of Maybin and Davis at OLB with Harris in the middle would be pretty formidable. I also think the 4-3 would get the better 11 on the field with more speed in the process.” I would think it would be Pouha as 1 DT starter with Devito & Ellis fighting fo the other spot with the loser being the backup. Coples & Wilkerson starting at DE with Dixon being the backup up there. Harris at MLB with Scott & Pace playing OLB & Davis & Maybin coming in on passing downs at the OLB spots. I say we know what we have with these guys & the difference of

  48. By Tom Spicer on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    our D being a very good 1 to maybe the best in the NFL will be these 3 things 1 Are we going to get a healthy Laron Landry playing all 16 game at a pro bowl level? 2 Are Maybin & Wilkerson going to develope into better pass rushers & then last year? 3 What are Coples & Davis going to bring to the table?

  49. By Allan O'Dane on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    IRA, to be honest with you..I would trade revis for at least a #1,4 and 6th rd draft pick. I would rather have 2 B+ CB’s and save money under the cap and build a pass rushing front 4 like the NYG. When you get a guy like Brandon Moore who busting his behind and not saying a word about his contract who is one of the best guards in the league and people like sanchez and holmes getting contract extensions….there’s something wrong with that picture. Revis is a GREAT CB..but I don’t think you sink your team for a CB. Elite QB’s like Peyton and Brees that’s what you lock up. CB’s you can draft and they can become better then average an elite QB comes by very rarely or they take 4 years to develop into one.

  50. By wayne on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    Why are you guys unable to see that players are doing the exact same thing NFL management do when they restructure a contract after a down year? These contracts are written in pencil…..PLEASE ALREADY…..Everybody including fans can only see their own side of the equation…….Ira, you’re reaching here….Until the second time GQ stands in ala Eli or Brady in the face of a rush and delivers the ball accurately and on time, leadership will not be established……We’ve seen enough of Jets West. NOT IMPRESSED……..Not being at OTAs will not stop Santonio Holmes from producing…You know what will………….Timmy’s not afraid to go West and enter the lion’s den. He is LIONHEART!!!!!!

  51. By Allan O'Dane on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    And to add to that note….New England went to the superbowl with sub-par corners and a weak defense…Only problem is they also have the greatest QB of this era……..SO…Would you take an elite QB or a elite CB…..I’m taking the QB…

  52. By wayne on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    64, I know you envisaged Sparano taking over somewhere down the line if this thing comes undone this year, but I am glad to see some straight talk from you on how awful MIA’s offense was over Sparano’s tenure there. Grant it, the QB play was not good to say the least, but responsibility must land someplace. And he’s it. CAN HE GET QBs TO PRODUCE? Is it the chicken or the egg? If he does with Jets, it will be his first time.

  53. By GaryC on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    maybe santonio is scouting the german national team for the world cup.

  54. By since shea on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I heard your call on the radio the other day when the host spoke about trading a shut down corner that hasnt gotten us to a SB for great pass rushers and decent corners ala the twice SB winning Giants over the past several yrs. I absolutely agree with having an animal pass rush and front 7 with decent corners as opposed to a selfish corner who is distracting his team and fellow players with his personal money issues. Its great for rebuilding team chemistry, isnt it? Did you hear David Wrights interview where he said he refuses to have any contract talk now bc it will distract and detract from the team, his team mates and the chemistry that they are building on? Mmmmmm.

  55. By GaryC on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    sorry,jet fan tom, I say nothing about elite quarterbacks,that is left to you and scjoe,remember,I am a sanchez backer and he is not elite yet,as for revis I say it is more important to get a top sacker,which can make an average corner very good.as for you saying it is not important for holmes to be at ota’s this is the guy that rex thought was captain material,I guess he is proven that was a BIG MISTAKE.

  56. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    Santonio is pictured today in the media talking to U.S. soldiers in Germany, joe. And I can imagine the outcry if he pulled some kind of Barkley-like move and said heck no, I ain’t no role model, so I don’t care about no soldiers. So get off his back and don’t start trashing him again until we have a QB who can throw to him half-decently!

  57. By ron alexander on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, welcome back my man. Not sure I agree with your 4-3 assesment. The problem is Coples and Wilkerson are questionable at best as pass-rushers and Maybin was a bust in Buffalo because he couldn’t play the run as an OLB? Also Pouha is one of the best 3-4 nose tackles in the game and Ellis is the back-up there so I dont understand why you dont think we have a N.T?
    Anyway, good to have you back as Joe continues to brink everybody down.

  58. By Frank on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    Ira answer your own question. The Giants won two superbowls in the last few years becasue their D can rush the passer their secondary was ordinary. Revis is not worth 16 mil per year only a franchise QB is worth that kind of money.
    If you remember I was pleading for Jared Allen when the Chiefs put him on the block.
    Spicer your hilarious Coples and Wilkerson will be better than having Pace and Thomas outside. Gee lets see how many sacks did Wilkerson have last year? and Coples the annointed one will have how many? If we put Harris in the middle who is going to play outside. We have lumbering LB’s you need speed on the outside to run a 4-3!!!!!!

  59. By Jake98660 on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    Coples scares me… and it’s not really even a fault of his own making. There was just this guy named Vernon Gholston who the Jets drafted 6th overall and turned out to be a complete flop. They look and played alot alike in College. The first thing that went through my mind when I saw him on draft day was…. please not another Gholston.

  60. By scjoe on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I asked that question to EA but got no response. The roster had him listed at 330, but Rex stated that he dropped about 20-25 lobs in his last news conference. So, if he dropped 20-25 from the roster weight, that would put him at about 305-310. NOT exactly NT numbers. But it is pretty good 4-3 DT weight along with Pouha. I also believe that many of the D lineman on the roster now, would be interchangeable in a 4-3. There is a lot of depth there. Not so much in a 3-4. NOW, if the 330 roster weight is “after” the weight drop, that would change things up a bit.

  61. By Randy Lange on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe and Spicer, Kenrick Ellis should be listed at 347 pounds. His weight was changed to 330 on the Website but that was premature. Ellis said in the locker room recently that he is under 340 and wants to get down to 330 by training camp.

  62. By Allan O'Dane on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    IF..and i do mean IF Scott can come of the corner and play OLB then playing a 4-3 may work. Scott does well when he’s blitzing and maybe the weight loss will help as far as speed is concerned. Harris is still the man in the middle…you line up Coples DE – Eliis – Pouha DT’s- and Wilkerson playing the other DE…mmmm…could be interesting..Only Maybin will be the ?..is he ready to play everydown? Can he play the run?….Or just have him rotate with Thomas….but then again…where does Pace fit in all of this?

  63. By joe on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    Guys (for the thousanth time )we got ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NO SHOT at a SB USING 80S PHILOSOPHY GROUND AND POUND NONSESNSE THe Niners who have much better personal than us couldnt do it .WE NEED AN ELITE QB UNTILL WE GET ONE FORGET ABOUT IT SF won 15 games last year AND STILL WAVED 80PLUS MILLION IN FRONT OF PAYTON

  64. By scjoe on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    Ron Alexander, re: my 4-3 assessment. Sure there are questions about Coples, just like all rooks, but I think he will be fine at DE in a 4-3. Wilkerson should also benefit from a full year in the weight program, OTAs and camp. The speed and the pass rush (especially on passing downs) should come from Maybin and Davis on the outside. Those two at OLB “could be” dynamic. Harris at MLB speaks for itself. Also, re: NT in a 3-4, Pouha did a good job, no doubt, but he is no Kris Jenkins. Remember the D with Jenkins at NT? Not quite the same with Pouha. All things considered, I wouldn’t mind seeing the 4-3 run more.

  65. By scjoe on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    Jake98660, Human nature being what it is, I would be willing to bet that if the Jets had selected Aldon Smith (SF) last year, at 6’4″ 260 there would have been those who compared him to Gholston as well. Same size, same weight, same position. I think he worked out pretty well.You really can’t make those comparisons. You bring a guy in who you believe will fit your system without referencing past failures. That is really the only way to go. I believe Coples will turn out OK.

  66. By scjoe on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    Allan O’Dane, I think both Pace and Thomas will end up as B/Us in that scenario, once Maybin and Davis are ready to assume the starting rolls as OLBs in a 4-3. If both can show they can play the run, a 4-3 could be dynamic with that type of speed on the outside. Plenty of if’s. But it could get interesting.

  67. By scjoe on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    joe, the thing is, even if one could make the statement that a “ground and pound” could get you to the SB. This Jet team simply does not have the personnel to
    “effectively” run it. Shonn Greene is just not the quality RB you can depend on, sorry Shonn! So who do they have in mind? McKnight? Ganaway? What about RT? I just don’t see it happening.

  68. By GaryC on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    as tyrone davis said, YOU CAN’T TURN BACK THE HANDS OF TIME,I will take my chances with wilkerson and coples in a four three as opposed to Pace and thomas getting me sacks in a three four.same goes for scott,all of a sudden he is going to be a sackmeister with the jets,laughable.what is it about coples that says he is another gholston,one guy is 6’6 280 with flexibility and other was 6’4 260 and no flexibility whatsoever,jet fans think all of their picks will be busts,very optimistic thinking.there was a time when that was the only way to build your team.

  69. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    A little slow on the uptake today, scjoe? Yeah, I meant White will have the Stuckey-Clowney-type rookie year — inactive. wayne, I only like Sparano compared to Rex. It’s better to have an interim HC who’s been a HC than just some glorified assistant. Just think, Mark Carrier coulda ended up as HC! Anyway, the change I really want starts at the top, with Woody selling, Martin and an investor group buying, and USC’s Barkley or somebody else new starting at QB if none of the QBs we have now shine and fast. And scjoe, the Jets would do well with a lot more “throwing in” of guys like Hill, they’ve always been terrible at trusting their draft choices as I’ve said dozens of times.

  70. By MIKE on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    IRA, lets change the question , would you rather have Revis or JPP on your team?
    I think Revis is bar non the best CB in the league. A true shutdown corner who plays the run is rare to say the least. But the Giants have won 2 SB’s with average CB’s and a sick pass rush. I would go pass rush every time.

    BUT, I would ever trade a superstar player for players you are unsure of. It would have to be an absolute blockbuster trade that would involve multiple high picks. !st and 2 2nds maybe.

  71. By danny on Jun 4, 2012 | Reply

    Man is it just me or do I see Joe just repeating every time he posts the same thing ” guys the jets have no shot until they stop with ground and pound and get a elite QB” Why does Randy let this non Jets fan on here. We are all talking about what this season may be like and hoping for the best like fans do and this guy Joe just won”t stop bashing our team with the same comments over and over. This is a NYJETS fan site so why do we have to keep seeing this guys posts Randy ?? Don;t let him on here anymore. I’m sure 90 percent of guys on here agree. It’s great to see Tom64 go back at him now too even he is sick of this guys posts haha

  72. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jun 5, 2012 | Reply

    I see the Chiefs have signed Elam to back up Berry. So we had plenty of chances to get him back and we didn’t, preferring to draft two guys at S and pick up two more vets at the position. Apparently Rex and his staff don’t think as much of Honest Abe as Mangini did.

  73. By Allan O'Dane on Jun 5, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Randy,
    Any news on Landry??

  74. By Randy Lange on Jun 5, 2012 | Reply

    Allan, nothing new on LaRon Landry other than as Rex said last week he continues his rehab. I’m sure the coach will be asked about it at the next media availability this Thursday and we’ll pass on what he says at that time.

  75. By GaryC on Jun 5, 2012 | Reply

    jet fan tom, as lousy as the cowboys secondary was they didn’t want elam either,It has been a while since his sack and ellis’s fumble recovery led to victory,you cannot stick your toe in the water more than once,not going to get the same feeling.

  76. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jun 5, 2012 | Reply

    I agree about Elam, GaryC, and “if I could turn back the hands of time,” to quote the great Tyrone D, I might not have traded up for Sanchez in the first place.

  77. By GaryC on Jun 5, 2012 | Reply

    Jet fan tom, if Sanchez improves as much as he has been showing in camp we might be thinking of the carpenters great hit,WE’VE ONLY JUST BEGUN.

  78. By joe on Jun 5, 2012 | Reply

    DuH DANNY HELLO this team hasnt won anything since the 60s OR DID YOU FORGET THAT FACT Another fact you forget ALMOST EVERY TEAM THAT HAS EVER WON THE SB HAS HAN ALL PRO QB

  79. By Tom Spicer on Jun 5, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks for the clarification I was suprised when I read what SCJoe wrote cause I always thought Ellis was 345 to 350 lbs as a rookie.

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  82. By joe on Jun 5, 2012 | Reply

    OSI in comparasion JETS VERSES GIANTS they(JETS ) win the SB DURING THE OFFSEASON NEVER DURING THE SEASON Their organization does things alot differently than OURS (SARCASTINGLY LOL )They (the Jets )TALK we win superbowls

  83. By scjoe on Jun 5, 2012 | Reply

    64, in some cases, (Ducasse, Wilson, Ellis, to name a few) there are reasons why the Jets are so “terrible” at trusting their draft choices. History tells us that there have been a lot of “mistakes” among those picks. Think that could be one reason why they are not trusted? Also, are you really certain you would rather have an unproven rookie (Hill) start at WR instead of a healthy BE? Not that your answer will change the situation one way or another, just curious. Because you did state recently that BE/Leonard are “clearly” no longer needed.

  84. By Stevela on Jun 6, 2012 | Reply

    I’m going to be one of the few optimists on this site and say that the Jets are going to surprise everyone around the league this season. Sometimes I think reading the obituaries in the daily paper would be more uplifting than what I read on this site. I know everyone has their opinion, and I get it, but some positive reinforcement for the team wouldn’t be a bad thing either…

  85. By Tom Spicer on Jun 6, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, The OLB’S would be Pace on the stron side & Scott on the weak side. On passing downs the OLB’S would be Maybin & Davis in the 4 – 3. I think after years of watching them we all know Pace & Thomas can not get to the passer in a 3 – 4 the way we need them to. To answer your question Wilkerson had 3 sacks last year being a rookie with no otas, no minicamp & half a trainging camp. As a 4 -3 end I could see him getting at least 6 sacks & honestly in a 4 -3 with Coples & Wilkerson at the ends could the pass rush be any worse than with Pace & Thomas as the 3 -4 olbs? think about it before you answer

  86. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jun 6, 2012 | Reply

    If we’re going to go for Carpenters’ hits, of all things, GaryC, the ones for Sanchez range from “Maybe It’s You” on the optimistic side to “This Masquerade” on the pessimistic one. It’s a big discussion as to why the Jets have drafted poorly, failed to groom the guys they did draft, etc., scjoe. But just briefly, I’d suggest you don’t do your highest draft choices any good by being so hesitant to play them. Better to put them in and make a decision than spend 3 yrs deciding whether or not to even play them, like with Gholston and Ducasse. More specifically, BE is not healthy and to retard Hill’s progress by dreaming that he is would be exactly the kind of nonsense that I’m saying we gotta cut out.

  87. By danny on Jun 6, 2012 | Reply

    Again ur facts are wrong Joe not every SB winning team had a ALL PRO QB. Since when was Brad Johnson a ALL PRO or Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, Mark Rypian. Now how many QB’s won a SB in there 1st 3 yrs ??????????? MS has every chance to repeat exactly what Eli did in his 4th yr and Joe he ALSO changed OC’s his 4th yr when he won a SB. Eli Sats are actually worse then MS after yr 3. Eli never won a playoff game his 1st 3yrs. I’m not saying MS is ever gonna be a All Pro QB but good enough with a good team around him yes he can win us a SB. He came real close twice in 3 yrs I like my chances this yr 4

  88. By danny on Jun 6, 2012 | Reply

    For yrs Joe the PATS were the joke of the league then Parcells took over and took them to SB with Bledsoe. Then BB and Brady took over and they won 3 SBs. No reason why we cant break the ice and win one then win another a few yrs later. As a fan this is what we hope and wouldn’t wanna be a Steeler, Pats or Giants fan we are Jets fans and hope this is the yr our scrappy bunch gets it done. That’s what being a fan is about. Sure we had so many rough yrs but what we seen since Rex took over without last seasons mess has us Jets fans feeling better about our chances. Before rex when was the last time we had a top 5 D 3 yrs in a yr ?? How bout did we ever have a top 5 D ??????????

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  90. By scjoe on Jun 7, 2012 | Reply

    Fair enough 64, but I did make reference to a “healthy” BE and at this point we don’t know what his status is health wise, could be days, weeks or months. If it is weeks, don’t be to surprised to see him resigned. That is my wish. Danny, just like to interject on your on going debate with Joe about “elite QBs” and SBs. Your right, not ALL SBs have been won by teams that have an elite QB. But it is no coincidence that the vast majority of SB winners have had that elite QB. From Bart Starr in SB 1&2 to Brady, Manning (both) Brees and Rogers in current times. I think it would be fair to say that “some” of those teams would not have won it with out that elite QB

  91. By joe on Jun 7, 2012 | Reply

    DANNY STARR 2 Namath 1 Unitas 1 Bradshaw 4 Montana 3 Young 1 Mannings 3 Brady 3 Aikman 3 Stabler 1 Griese 2 Theisman 1 Farve 1 Brees 1 Rothesburger 2 Elway 2 Stauback 2 Rogers 1 Count em up DANNY AND THE ABOVE LIST IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD .Something like 90% OF EVERY SB WON WAS DONE SO WITH A TEAM EMPLOYING AN ALL PRO QB .Of course IN YOUR MIND YOU THINK WE GOT A SHOT WITH TEBOW -SANCHEZ NEVER MIND NFL HISTORY OR JET HISTORY OF BEING ONE OF THE MOST FUTILE TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE

  92. By joe on Jun 7, 2012 | Reply

    Danny NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHERE THE DEFENCE is RANKED it means nothing if the TEAM DOESNT WIN THE SUPERBOWL .(On the GIANTS LOMBARDI OR IN THE ANNUALS OF HISTORY DOES IT SAY THE GIANTS WON THE SB BUT THE JETS WERE 500 WITH A TOP 5 D ) .As far as NE what do you think the reason was they SUDDENLY STARTED CONTENDING EVERY YEAR Duhh could it be TOM BRADY .IN CASE you dont realize DANNY we dont have TOM BRADY we have 2 of the WORST QBS IN THE NFL NE DIDNT JUST magically start to win SB

  93. By joe on Jun 7, 2012 | Reply

    SC JOE exactly as if we did the actual math it probably above 90% AS THE LIST I SUPPLIED IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD The list also doesnt take into account all the NEW RULES WHICH GIVE EVEN MORE ADVANTAGE TO THE TEAMS WITH THE ELITE QBS.Danny tries to transpose the way a high school team wins games to the NFL and its beyond laughable to do so .He just ignores history .In the NFL TODAY there are no shut down defences (BASICALLY THE LAST TEAM SCORING WINS THE 30 PLUS POINTS PER GAME SHOOTOUT )In Dannys mind all the above DOESNT APPLY TO THE 500 JETS who havent beat a winning team since 200 .WERE GOING TO WIN THE SB running the ball controlling the clock and limiting the BRADYS MANNING ECT of the NFL with our D Joe its futile

  94. By joe on Jun 7, 2012 | Reply

    SC JOE LOL i have said this a FEW TIMES -had REX been able to land PAYTON MANNING no JET FAN would EVER HEAR THE TERM GROUND and POUND AGAIN .Hes got to TRY to control the clock as what sane person would want SANCHEZ throwing the ball (ONE INT AFTER ANOTHER )

  95. By danny on Jun 10, 2012 | Reply

    Joe I didn’t know the Giants beat the PATS cause they got to 30 first ?????? The Giants D rattled Brady again and believe the score was 21 – 17. As for Peyton of course we wouldn’t be a ground and pound team with Peyton my 6yr old nephew could tell u that but MS is a playaction QB so we tailer of Offense to his strengths. We need to run the ball well for the passing game to be effective. Shotty went away from this last yr and tried thrwoing 50 times a game thats not who MS is. If he got us close as a rookie with this style well in his 4th yr he could get us over the hump. Joe just because you know a college coach don’t mean u know what it takes to win in the NFL, College, HS and peewee. It just means u know a college coach that’s it

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  97. By joe on Jun 11, 2012 | Reply

    The NFL NETWORK is ranking the top 100 players in the league(DONE BY THE PLAYERS THEMSELVES )In comparasion to the SAINTS PACK PATS STEELERS GIANTS ECT THERES LITERALLY NO JETS .Danny i brought this up last week and for some strange reason you FORGOT TO ANSWER .Danny the oddmarkers could care less about us getting SPARANO TO COACH and the NFL PLAYERS THEMSELVES are not to impressed with our personal (how can this be ).OBVIOUSLY BEING A 500 team that didnt beat a winning team all year MUST HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT ALL

  98. By ron alexander on Jun 12, 2012 | Reply

    Now now boys, dont fight! Danny i know Joe makes you crazy but I cant agree with you this time.Randy should not bar him from this site. its always good to have a different opinion to help keep things in perspective. Like you and a lot of others here I agree Joe is too negative, but he does make a lot of good points and arguments.I do wish he would at least acknowledge when others make a good counter point but I am not a big believer in miracles.S.C.Joe,
    I think of all the contributers here you are clearly the voice of reason.Still not sold on the 4-3 thing but I’m sure they will employ it a lot more this year than in the past.i agree about bringing back a healthy B.E,and Spicer’s picking Scott and Pace w/ davis and maybin vs.pass

  99. By joe on Jun 12, 2012 | Reply

    ps RON should the JETS win the SUPER BOWL this year you have my WORD IN WRITING I WILL PUBLICALLY ADMIT I WAS completely 100% WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING. INTERN (WHEN )I MEAN if their season should end up LIKE LAST YEAR OR WORSE i dont want to here ANY ;IFS,WOULD HAVE,COULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE ECT ECT ECT .Ron if iam wrong i will be the first to admit it WITHOUT ANY EXCUSES and of course i want the same in return

  100. By joe on Jun 12, 2012 | Reply

    ps Ron ,if you look at the skedule WE REALLY HAD BETTER BEAT BUFF WEEK 1 because week 2 is PITTSBURGHS HOME OPENER ON NAT TV.Pittsb success rate in home openers is like 90% AT HEINZ FIELD Historically theres not TOO MANY SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS THAT HAVE STARTED THEIR SEASON 0-2.

  101. By joe on Jun 12, 2012 | Reply

    pS RON the 93 COWBOYS,2001, PATS 2007 GIANTS are the ONLY TEAMS IN THE SB ERA to start the season 0-2 and win the SB .Of course ALL 3 were quarterbacked BY HALL OF FAME PLAYERS (conidering ELI MANNING OF THE 2007 GIANTS GETS IN )

  102. By ron alexander on Jun 13, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, Fair enough! If M.S stinks up the joint this year I will join you in hopeing he is run out of town! And your point about opening vs.the Bills is well taken. That game will be tougher than people think. The Bills are an up and coming team and will be a tough test. I’m not sure this is a vintage Steeler team. They lost several key players in free agency and Troy ‘hair-do” is coming off another injury riddled season and not getting any younger. The schedule this year is easier than last years on paper so a 2-2 start would not be a disaster. As for the Nfl top 100 players I could care less about that crap! Like you always say,”talk is cheap!” Like you I want less talk from Rex,Bart, and any other loud mouths on our team and a lot more wins

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