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Sanchez on Hard Counts, Return to Cortland

Posted by Randy Lange on July 5, 2012 – 12:37 pm

It’s now T-minus three weeks and counting before the team buses pull out of the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center and, hopefully, three hours and change later, pull off of Interstate 81 and shortly after into the parking lot of the dorms at SUNY Cortland.

One who says he can’t wait is Mark Sanchez. And why not have that anticipation. The fourth-year starter was a Cortland camper in 2009 and ’10, and at the end of both those seasons, he was quarterbacking the Jets in the AFC Championship Game.

“Cortland never hurts. I think it can only help us, especially with all the off-the-field stuff,” Sanchez said during the Jets’ mid-June minicamp. Then, reflecting on his experience “up north,” he said:

“My rookie year, I was pretty anxious. I didn’t know what to expect. I think now I’ve been as anxious as past years, but I have a little better understanding each year of what’s coming. I know what the dorms look like. I know what Cortland’s going to be like. I know where to eat when we get our day off and all that. So I’ve got that routine planned in my head.”

Many Jets employees, including yours truly, weren’t quite sure what we’d find in this tiny town located 25 miles to the northeast of Ithaca and 35 miles to the south of Syracuse. But while Cortland is isolated — exactly what head coach Rex Ryan was looking for when he was searching for a summer home away from home in ’09 — it’s a cozy place with enough amenities, and the college, the townsfolk plus the influx of Jets fans from all over have turned the Jets into happy campers their first two years there.

“It sounds pretty dismal, but it’s actually a good time, it really is,” Sanchez said. “You figure out stuff to do. You figure it in those quick, short breaks from meetings when there’s time to goof around and have fun.

“Then you’d better be ready to snap back and get your focus for Coach Sparano.”

Sanchez’s improvements over his first three seasons at the controls are a hot topic among fans and reporters. But one element of his game that has undeniably improved and should continue to impress new OC Tony Sparano as well as the fans beginning with the first practice open to the public on Saturday, July 28, is his hard count.

I’ve mentioned it before, his ability to bark out his calls so forcefully that he causes would-be pass rushers to twitch their way over the line of scrimmage and have yellow flags thrown in their direction. And needless to say it’s not exactly a “chunk play” of the kind Sparano wants to see helping move drives down the field. But a strong hard count as part of an improved package of skills is a good thing.

Consider that unofficially Sanchez drew 16 penalties for offsides and encroachments last season, an average of one a game. In 2010 he drew only one hard-count flag on opponents all season. As a rookie, he drew two, both in the “Win And We’re In” Game 16 against the Bengals.

I talked with Mark before the start of OTAs and he was happy to reflect on where his hard count had been and where it’s going in Year 4.

“It’s funny, you have an unsuccessful season and a stat like that doesn’t come out. You go to the playoffs on a deep run, that’s part of the reason. It got buried,” Sanchez said, adding about his backup,. “I think Mark Brunell was part of the reason for that. He gave a hard count out at practice and you could hear it in Morristown.

“You try to rep it at practice, make it sound the same as your regular count. It’s getting the guys up on the line quicker to make it look real. That success is a credit to all the guys on offense. It’s just 5 yards at a time but it’s huge.”

Sanchez mentioned a few other things he wanted to really work on through the camp and into the Sept. 9 season opener vs. the Bills and beyond. One is mastering the new cadence under Sparano, which he started on at the OTAs and minicamp.

“Other than that, I want to come back mechanically sound. I know I will,” he said. “Really work on my pocket presence, avoiding the rush, keeping my eyes downfield, game-like reactions, keeping two hands on the football. When there’s just so much going on these are all the little things that you can’t let slip.”

Sanchez knows there is no room for slippage in 2012. We’ll see how ready he and his teammates are in just several short weeks. No. 6’s message from June: “It’s going to be a good year for us. We’re just ready to get started.”

Here’s to the Fans

Jets fans will as always be a big part of Cortland and training camp and the coming season. Here are two recent measures of how large a role they are playing for the Green & White this offseason.

Mashable.com reports that Socialcam pegs the New York Jets at No. 4 in its list of top 10 brands on the relatively new but increasingly popular video-sharing platform. Mashable says the Jets, with 682,305 followers, “use Socialcam to showcase moments with players, practice highlights and even an idea of what the locker room looks like.”

Then there’s the Jets’ Twitter page, which continues to impress. We cleared 400,000 followers last week, have already just about reached 404,000 and are headed toward a half million. Crazy numbers when I think back to the morning of April 17, 2009, when Eric Allen and I started to tweet updates on Rex Ryan’s first veteran minicamp as Jets head coach in Florham Park, N.J., we had a mere 74 followers.

The Jets want to thank their fans for their tremendous support on these platforms and others. In return the team remains committed to bringing fans closer to the team as 2012 comes roaring around the corner.


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116 Responses to “Sanchez on Hard Counts, Return to Cortland”

  1. By scjoe on Jul 5, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez is absolutely correct!! Cortland can not hurt! It could only help with the camaraderie and off field stuff. But you would be naive to believe that is all it will take to take this team to another conference championship game. That has to be done on the field, and to do it on the field there has to be major improvement all around. I happen to believe the other three AFC East contestants all improved considerably this off season. So, if the Jets don’t show “drastic” improvement it could be another long season.

  2. By ron alexander on Jul 5, 2012 | Reply

    I noticed Sanchez doing this last year. Hey, anyway we can gain yardage is fine. My only concern is some of the guys on the O.line staying onsides.Can you imagine Wayne Hunter? How many penalty’s did he committ last year?

  3. By kerry c flood on Jul 5, 2012 | Reply

    this was a good read but show it on the field!

  4. By Tom Spicer on Jul 5, 2012 | Reply

    “The issue here isn’t injuries, workload or competition for carries. It’s talent. Greene is a plodding back that runs to contact, is a liability in the passing game and has no burst. It leads to a bunch of boring, below-average games without the explosive plays that make the difference. From film expert Greg Cosell. Adding to Greene’s down arrow this season is the state of the Jets. They’re bringing back Wayne Hunter, one of the game’s worst offensive linemen, to start at right tackle. Tim Tebow is bulking up so he can be used as a goal-line back. It’ a mess for Greene.

  5. By IRA on Jul 5, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, Sanchez is 100% correct about Cortland. Its a great place to get away and just focus on football. Can’t do that at home. The Tebow effect is already at play with all the closed practices they are having. Guess they are worried other teams scouts will look in and see what’s to come. Guarantee the Tebow stuff is put in on those days.
    Interesting take by jamie Dukes tonight. Yes he thinks Revis situation will get resolved sooner than later. He did make a point that with todays NFL and all the 4 and 5 WR sets Revis value can be lost. He can only cover 1 WR so there are 3-4 others to go to. And thats why all teams attack the middle of the field. Teams tried to throw at Revis last year 85 attempts and they only completed 35 passes for a 41.2%

  6. By IRA on Jul 5, 2012 | Reply

    Plus he had 16 PD’and 4 INT’s. The point they were trying to make is that this D can be very good with him but if things got ugly and they needed to trade him which they felt wouldn’t really happen the Jets could still be a very good team without him. This is going to be very intersting to see how this unfolds. Good thing it might take away from the Sanchez/Tebow nonstory that could fill the airwaves and print media.

  7. By IRA on Jul 5, 2012 | Reply

    And just to show that this is a great point in the two losses to the Pats last year Brady only completed 2 passes against Revis while attempting 6. He did however complete 50 passes vs the other DB’s and LB’s and we all know that they won both games. Now every QB is not Brady but the tapes are there and teams know how to attack the Jets through the air.

  8. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    Pocket presence is apparently not the only area in which Sanchez needs “drastic improvement,” scjoe, settling for Eva Longoria is setting the bar pretty low considering what’s walking around out here in Southern Cal. And can we just admit right now that Rex doesn’t have the right stuff for the HC post? The guy can’t even make up his mind 3 yrs in a row on TEAM CAPTAINS! As if that’s our biggest problem. Every day it feels more like Sparano is the HC including today, judging by MS’s remarks about him above…

  9. By GaryC on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    seeing that parker won a couple of titles with longoria maybe it will rub off on sanchez and we can bring a super bowl and they can travel together on a float down the canyon of heroes.

  10. By SCfromNY on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    I am not a Sanchez fan but certainly do not want Tebow. Sanchez will hopefully get his confidence back. Last year may have been an aberation. Hopefully it is not a harbinger of worse things to come. Unfortunately the Jets will under the worse conditions win enough games to keep them from getting a great pick in 2013’s draft.Until proven wrong i will be hopeful of McElroy but not forget the last backup thought to be great: Brett Ratcliff. Will Sanchez regain his attitude, fourth quarter determination, chemistry with Holmes, and lose his sulk? I hope so but am very unsure.

  11. By scjoe on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, it’s common knowledge that opposing offenses attack the middle of the field against the Jets defense, but Revis closing down one side of the field is only part of that strategy, the 2nd part is the lack of coverage skills in the safety and LB positions. Tell me, who among that group excels in coverage? My answer would be none of the above. Point is, it is not so much Revis value being lost in 4 and 5 WR sets as it is finding a safety and a LB or two who can cover TEs and RBs, at least a little better then they have shown. To compound that, with the exception of Cro (most times) there is not a lot of help coming from the rest of the DBs on the roster either.

  12. By Ed in Tucson on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ron made the point I was going to make about our O line jumping with the hard count. We got a lot of motion penalties that were drive killers last year. It seems that we were among the least penalized teams the previous two years.

  13. By IRA on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe,
    They found a LB in Davis that has the speed to cover guys, i think Wilson’s coverage skills were better at times. This is the year he has to put it all together. I really would love to see them sign Coleman. Unless one of the rookies steps up in camp i would think its safe to say they add a veteran CB at some point over the summer.
    This is just for debate are they better off with a ton invested in the best CB ever and surrond him with C and D players or are you better off with 1 A- player and 3 B’s?

  14. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    Excellent analysis of the pass coverage problems on D, scjoe, which was why I kept saying I wouldn’t miss Leonhard, Pool, and Smith a bit once they were gone. Now we just have to wait for Bush and Allen to develop and we can lose the last of our weak safetys. Don’t get me wrong about Leonhard, his heart and brain were considerable and he was even a good tackler for a guy that small. But he was never big enough to start in this league and it was typical of Rex’s pointless playing of favorites that he took so long to realize that.

  15. By ron alexander on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    Edin Tucson, hopefully with that knucklehead T.E (Mulligan)now playing in Arizona (he had like a dozen motion penalties last year) mabey we can stay on sides? S.C.Joe, on the money again! Some how we are gonna have to put enough pressure on the opposing Q.B’s this year to cover up our problems at safty and L.B. The 2013 draft has 5 or 6 safties who could be good NFL caliber guys and hopefully we can get one of them? In the mean time we need bounce back years from Pace and Scott this year and the emergence of our young D.E’s as pass rushers. It will also help if Maybin continues to develope into a consistent threat off the edge.

  16. By Jet F-15QB on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    Whoever is the starting quarterback this year, and I think it’s going to be Tim Tebow, Stephen Hill could very well be the Offensive Rookie of the Year.
    He is a bigger, faster, more athletic and a better blocker than Keyshawn Johnson, coming out of college.

  17. By fred on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    we all better hope that the Jets found some Gems in their draft & that Davis can contribute on some 3rd down packages. with Couples surley to start that could make 3 rookies on defense to see significant playing time which is unheard of in a Rex d up to this year. Ira enjoyed your interview with Mike and as it turns out my first Jet game was also the Sat. nite Charger game in Oct. 1966. I have a small stack of those Pro Magazine programs in my attic but I think the Jets won that game 17-16.

  18. By Jimmer on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    Gulp(don’t shoot me please), Neil O’Donnel could put on a passing show against our LB’s/ST’s the past few years. Big Jenks caused havic in the middle leaving weakness somewhat of a place not to look. But we have no inside rush to speak of, leaving the middle wide open. We’re not getting another Jenks, so we need the LB’s/ST’s to cover much better than they have. It looks like we have adressed this need to an extent. But the pass rush has to improve big time if can even think playoffs.

  19. By Jimmer on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    Anybody going opening day to camp?

  20. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    I’ll go with the 1 A- and the 3 B’s, Ira, especially since we’re years away — and maybe 3 QBs away — from seriously competing for the Super Bowl.

  21. By scjoe on Jul 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, yes, Davis has the “potential” to cover TEs and RBs given his speed, but it will be a learning process with no guarantees. Coleman? Not sure he is the answer, I would rather see an extra safety taking a roster spot, one who at least can match up against the size and speed of some of theses TEs the Jets will be facing. Coleman at 5’9″ (?) just is not capable of doing that, and THAT is the area the Jets are hurting most.

  22. By wayne on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    The excuses are still on the roster; Greene, Hunter(he’s not wayne until he produces)and blah blah blah. GQ admits what I’ve been saying for 3yrs. The pressure(not the pass rush) gets 2 him early in games. That’s why the bad starts….Too much money, too much expectations. I understand, mo money mo problems……..He’s loving the perks just fine. And so it’s time to step up……Are any of the games being played in Cortland this year?………………..JUST SHOW UP SUNDAY MONDAY OR THURSDAY(wherever game’s at) AND GIVE A COMPLETE EFFORT AND LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY….Some of yous are talking like some rookies are already proven….Can we wait for at least one preseason game?

  23. By Frank on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    Figured I would check in during my summer vacation and the usual suspects are still heavy at it. Funny how I said last year Rex annointing Holmes and Sanchize-not as captains was a huge mistake and it was considering both are coddled Diva’s and the dissension it created. Now Rex decides no captains…so lets go to the other extreme shall we!
    Rex let me give you some advice how about you let the players vote 3 team captains one on D one on O and one on special teams. This way you have the players picking the leadership and you have someone present in each group who can be the link. I promise you it will work better than not having any leaders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  24. By ron alexander on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne, I didn’t say or read anything here putting our rookies in “Canton”! You make a good point about expecting too much from rookies,but in todays NFL you need them to at least contribute! Even if Davis can utilize his speed to make some plays on specials it can change a game. Hill is definately unproven and has alot to learn but there is no reason he cant catch a few bombs which should help the running game.S.C. I agree Coleman is a nice reserve but clearly not the answer in stopping the Gronkowski’s we face.I think some of the younger(and cheaper C.B’s like Ryan Steed we signed can do a good enough to get the job done.Ira, congrats on your gig with the Pope! You deserve a lot of credit! Proud of you dude!

  25. By Tom Spicer on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    You seem to have all the answers. Yes everyone on the Jets is / was great Hunter, Greene, Plax, the pass rush & the saftey play were all the best in the NFL. The only problem was GQ but now we have that fixed we got Tebow.
    YEA RIGHT!

  26. By Tom Spicer on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    I wanted to say Wayne before I said you have all of the answers.

  27. By wayne on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    64, most of what’s walking around in lala isn’t necessarily all it’s made up to be. I would prefer Eva over that model he was dilly dallying around with. You ever been out with a model? Not as much fun as you’d think. I’m bettin’ Eva can teach the little kid a thing or 2…….NOTHING LIKE A LITLE INSECURITY IN A WOMAN. MAKES HER TRY JUST A LITTLE HARDER………YOU BETTER BE DATIN’ SOME SERIOUS STUFF TALKING ABOUT EVA LIKE THAT.

  28. By uj on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    good luck this season guys,we can do it.

  29. By wayne on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    BEST PART ABOUT GOING OUT WITH MODEL IS THE HIGH YOU GET FROM THE GAWKERS. NOTHING LIKE THAT WHY IS SHE WITH HIM LOOK.

  30. By scjoe on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, in answer to your question, I will go with 64 in choosing the 1 A player and 3 Bs. You are never going to win with one A+ defensive player and a bunch of Cs and Ds. They will just continue doing what they have been doing (opposing offenses) and that is avoiding the A+ guy and exposing the C and D guys. If they are going to trade him, I wish they had done it before this years draft. Maybe we could have come out of it with two A guys. Offense or defense, don’t really matter.

  31. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    Ira and Fred, your first Jet game was the ’66 Charger game? I was at that one but I was also at the one the Chargers won when Rote threw a TD to Alworth, I think we lost that one something like 37-9. Was that in ’64 or ’65? Randy looked it up for me on this site once. My first Jet game was a Saturday night in ’64 when Dick Wood was still the QB, I’d have to look at the schedule to see which one it was but I think it might’ve been vs. OAK. Thanks for the dose of sanity on Coleman, scjoe, we shouldn’t be talking about any S guys shorter than 6′ and maybe even 6′ 2″ given the way the game is changing with TE play. Revis overcomes his height at CB because he’s so relentlessly physical but very few guys can do that as well as him.

  32. By Randy Lange on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    Tom, the Jets beat the Raiders, 35-13, on Saturday night, Oct. 10, 1964 at Shea. Then-rookie Matt Snell ran for his first two pro TDs that night. Does that sound familiar? As for the Chargers, they beat the Jets, 34-9, on Saturday night, Oct. 23, 1965, at Shea, but Alworth’s TD that game came late on a long ball from Don Breaux. There were two Rote-to-Alworth TDs vs. the Jets — a 28-yarder on Nov. 2, 1963, at the Polo Grounds, a 53-7 Chargers win, and an 82-yard play on Dec. 6, 1964, but that game was at Balboa Stadium.

  33. By Tom Spicer on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with Frank 100% there should be captains & they should be voted on by the players or Rex should just make 2 1 on O & 1 on D. Harris on D & Mangold on O THATS IT!

  34. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    That’s the Jet-Raider game I saw, Randy, because I remember everybody couldn’t stop talking about Snell afterward. That 34-9 game is also the one I saw, I just forgot who came in after Hadl or Rote (I think they still platooned that yr) left the game. Thanks for the research and the memories! What I wouldn’t give for one of those hot dogs that’s been sitting in that lukewarm water for a half or so in those metal boxes that the guys used to carry around…

  35. By IRA on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    Fred and Ron thanks it was an honor for sure. That 66 Charger game man that was so long ago. I remember they won but had to look it up to see the score. Boy things were a lot different back then for sure.
    OK this is my take on my question about Revis. I think they feel they have improved their pass rush enough so that they can keep Revis who already is becoming an all-time great and fill in around him the best they can. If thats the guess i am fine with it. If not then i would consider maybe seeing what the market would bring for him after this year. But as a fan it sure is fun watching him play and would love to see him finish his career as a Jet.

  36. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    wayne, do you live out here in L.A.? Do you really know what you’re talkin’ about? I’ve seen Eva in person, she looks like a backup waitress from a cantina. Something hotter than her crosses the street on Rodeo every 5 minutes — actresses DO get hired for reasons other than their looks, ya know. And while I don’t think this site is a good place to get too personal, yeah, I’ve dated models hailing from anywhere from Forest Hills to Chicago to Dallas to Malibu and I worked in the Playboy organization for awhile, so I don’t have that contact high thing going on anymore. But I’m just an old man trying to make a buck — it’s the younger guys out here who are on the prowl for that stuff every night that you should probably be throwin’ down with.

  37. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 7, 2012 | Reply

    Actually, wayne, now that I think of it, there are 3 or 4 junior bankers at my local Wells Fargo branch in the Valley who put Eva to shame, I stop in there all the time to enjoy the scenery while making phone calls, using their air-conditioning, and having a free cup of coffee. I’d work on a few of ‘em myself if I wasn’t, like, twice their age.

  38. By Bennett on Jul 8, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez is 2nd in the NFL in turnovers in his first 3 years. When he has had 3 or more turnovers in a game the Jets have lost all of them ( 9 so far) When he has 2 turnovers in a game the Jets have lost 60% of them, some might draw the conclusion that the are key turnovers some will never understand the significance of these stats but will quote over and over again completion % and total yards and spent an inordinate amount of time comparing them to other QB’s. He was only able to convert approix. 33% of 3rd downs last year….33% … so what do the Jets do in their typical totally illogica thinking that has plagued this team for 40+ years… THE GIVE HIM A NICE FAT EXTENSION AS A REWARD

  39. By Bennett on Jul 8, 2012 | Reply

    Everything is fine in Jetland. After 11 turnovers in the last 3 games Sanchez was extented as a reward. T-baum told Hunter he has to “play better” so that problem is also solved. Ryan has indicated he is going to try and learn the offense. so we are actually going to have a head coach who is going to learn the other half of the game. We got a Safety in which T-baum said it would be a “challenge to have him available for the 1st game” so that position is set. We got a backup QB that is a “good football player” except he just can’t happen to throw the ball so the backup is set if Sanchez goes down, and we are going to “ground and pound” in this pass happy sport with a 3rd rounder as #1 back who simply is not that good Problems all solved

  40. By ron alexander on Jul 8, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, I must admit your last post was hilarious! Good stuff dude! Hey, I dont want to get corney here but I just wanted to compliment just about everyone who contributes here on Randy’s blog. I only found this a couple of months ago but its great having a bunch of fellow knucklheads like you guys to shoot the breeze with. Ira, you are a hero to a lot of us for being able to deal with Francesca so well. Big Mike is somtimes tough to take but I have always enjoyed his show.(no matter how much he mamages to **** me off!) Hey, does anybody know what happaned to Danny! Havn’t heard anything from him since he got ticked off at Joe 2 weeks ago!Tom64, you are a riot dude!

  41. By scjoe on Jul 8, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, you covered almost everything except the fact that there is only ONE (1) starting quality WR for our two headed QB to go to “just in case” the ground and pound don’t work out that well. But hey, why wouldn’t the “ground and pound” work out, after all, we have an elite RT, a quality blocking TE and plenty of depth along the O line AND in the backfield if one of the starters happens to go down. Ah oh, I think they better start coming up with a Plan B.

  42. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 8, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks, ron, aside from my belief in the Fellini-Mastroianni code of life — that is, no matter what your job is, after 5 PM you leave it behind and go out and have a good time — I think any long-time Jet fan will tell you that watching this team decade after decade would be pretty tough without a highly evolved sense of humor. Bennett, these last two posts of yours are joe-like in their pessimism, if a lot less emotionally and stylistically over the top, but they’re brilliant nevertheless. Needless to say, the Tebow point resonates most strongly with me, but the ones on Rex, Mr T, and more are just as good.

  43. By joe-retired li/fla on Jul 8, 2012 | Reply

    hi everyone! long time no post! randy, i have a question- didn’t we have two qbs by the name of dick wood- i think one was a southpaw before the comming of “broadway-joe’? I know i’m getting old, but. it’s great to have ira and ’64 tom with me along with new blood! i”ve been sitting back watching what is going on with our team. i’am hoping last year is behind us.it’s hard because(i have 2 patriots fan across the street and a dolfin fan behind me- where’s tht bill fan? anyway i read the “post” much of the time. thanks randy for your blogs.

  44. By Randy Lange on Jul 8, 2012 | Reply

    joe, we haven’t heard from you since February. Here’s hoping things are going well in Dolfan territory. The Jets have had two Richard Woods over the years — Malcolm Richard “Dick” Wood, the Auburn QB who started 25 games for the Jets in 1963-64, and Richard Marlon Wood, the Southern Cal LB who was the third-round draft choice and started five games for the Jets in ’75, then finished his 10-year career with nine seasons with the expansion Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

  45. By KNort on Jul 8, 2012 | Reply

    Just saying, we had so many penalites last year because Sanchez changed his hard count a little, obviously shown in the amount of penalties he drew last year. The team didn’t have the offseason together to mesh, when there’s a lockout guys, and a lot of changes to a team and additions subtractions and systems adjusting, it’s a season unlike any other. So not necessarily be leanient to the performance but just understand the factors in play. And are you kidding me saying that Rex Ryan is a bad HC? You do realize we had revis and many other players on our defense and we weren’t anywhere in the top until ryan. We made back to back playoff runs in his first 2 years. Every NFL expert says any player would choose to play for Rex they love how he

  46. By KNort on Jul 8, 2012 | Reply

    I guess you’re the “expert” though and can oh so obviously see that we need to make changes. This is funny. I love when people think that being a fan means deciding what’s so obivously best for a team. We obviously should make major changes to a team that barely changed at all in the last 3 seasons and the first two we took it to 1 game before the superbowl, i’ll take that, and have a pretty good feeling that the best thing I can do is back that same group, and believe that maybe they can “suprise” us (just some of ya really) this season and the future. Sound a lot like Giants fans before a Superbowl winning season lol

  47. By steven on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    Hayden Smith will be a gem this year. He should be every bit as good as Gronkowski. Imagine seeing 6’7′ Taren Loyd and 6’7′ Hayden Smith in for two tight end sets. How are you going to stop that?

  48. By IRA on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    Cimini today has some very good positive points that some of us have talked about. Can’t wait to see the new look Jets in REAL action once camp starts. I know a lot of fans have the doom and gloom feeling for this year. They way i see it is they went 8-8 last year with all types of issues going on. They get some new and some older hungry players, a back to basic ground and pound running attack and a potentially better than 09 D and this team will be in the hunt for a WC spot at the end of the year.
    GO JETS!!!!

  49. By GaryC on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    Richard ‘Batman’Wood,another USC player who was a bust along with anthony davis,dave cadigan,mike battle,just to name a few.

  50. By GaryC on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    jetfantom,if you are bringing up Fellini-Mastrionni,please don’t forget Loren,Lollibrigida,and Anouk Aimee,all women who would put Longoria in her place,LA DOLCE VITA.

  51. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    KNort, we didn’t play consistently great in either of Rex’s first 2 yrs, so when it came to the big one we could only put together 1 good half each time. Last yr we were consistently weak and all of our biggest problems — Sanchez’s inconsistency, lack of depth on the OL, lack of speed on D. Rex’s hands-off attitude on O, Schotty’s bizarre calls on O — did us in. So now we’re changing a lot around and yeah, Sparano seems more qualified to be HC than Rex, who’s still about captains or no captains and publicity stunts (if failed ones — THAT’S MY BOY is about the lowest-grossing movie of Sandler’s career). So no, Rex calling Revis the best player in the NFL and encouraging him to hold out every other yr doesn’t quite make him a great HC…

  52. By 40 year fan on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    Randy , Great article .. When did this site start again? I think i have been here from the beginning ?

  53. By joe-retired li/fla on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    hi randy! thanks for checking that (wood) out! i don’t live in dolfin territory-it’s “buck” terriitory. i went to our game dec 13 2009. we killed them,but it was 80 degrees out. the next week i drove to long island and got 12-16 inches of snow! everybody down here is from the north-east(economics). i still go to at least i hockey game(islanders),baseball(yankees-i saw the mets 6/13). their are a lot of jets fans here! the only problem i ever had-a femaile patriot fan(she was nice looking) she just cann’t take the jet chant. ha ha we won.

  54. By ron alexander on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    KNort, I am not one of the bashers here (except concerning Tannenbaum)but I do want to point out that we were not the only team effected by the lock-out! And while I was thrilled to make it to 2 consecutive AFC championship games I do remember the sick feeling I had when we lost them both. We as fans should not be satisfied with anything less than a Superbowl victory. Hey, I will always remember Herm Edwards words after a tough loss “hello, you play to win the game!” I think Joe, Tom64,Ira, Bennett, S.C.Joe,Spicer and the rest of the gang her I all tired of losing. The good thing is we all support the team as Jet lifers but we are tired of all the excuses. I agree with you about Rex but he will be on a short lease if we stink this year!

  55. By kleckofan on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    Man, some great stuff on here. JFT64, those dissertations on the opposite sex are priceless and so true. My favorite line on the subject is “somewhere, someone is tired of that” (said while scoping an exceptionally attractive woman). Enough of that.
    Bennett, nicely said.

  56. By ron alexander on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    Steven, dude, come on now,wake up,this isn’t fantasy football here. Hayden Smith& Taryn Loyd?? Neither of these guys has played a down yet and neither probably will once the season starts? Hey, I like your positive thinking but lets keep it real! Tom64 what, no Raquel Welch? Ira, I agree with your thoughts on this year. While S.C Joe makes a lot of good points about the O-Line, Sanchez,no blocking T.E, and the questions at R.B, I do feel we have improved the roster enough to make some progress. If Sparano can do a better job getting Sanchez to play like the 5th player chosen in his draft class and some of the young guys step up we could make a run at the wild-card.

  57. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t forget Sandra Milo, GaryC, and go take another look at 8 1/2 and JULIET OF THE SPIRITS if you have. Also, good memory on your part in recalling that despite the hype about eating glass and his play in exhibition Battle, like Steve Tannen, never really panned out. Ira, WC aspirations is optimism I can believe in, for this yr at least. But I do look forward to finding out where we’re going at QB. joe-retired, good work keeping the Jets spirit alive in FL, I did the same thing when my folks retired in Punta Gorda, but there were a lot of Pats fans there, too.

  58. By danny on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Ron I’m still here bro. I been enjoying the summer when I’m not working OT so I haven’t had much time to jump on here. Summer is a busy time for me but once in a while I jump on here. I’m kinda tired of all the talk too and just ready for kickoff. I think were gonna have a better yr then most think and i said the same about the Mets this yr. We have talent on this team so if our D can be top 5 again we can be a playoff team and we all know by seeing the Giants win the SB that all u need to do is get hot at the right time. Lil Blue was lucky to finish 9 – 7 thanks to Romo and maybe the ref in Cards game with Cruz fumble but they got hot and caught EVERY break possible to win SB. Maybe its our turn. MS will have a solid yr

  59. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    Yikes, GaryC, how could I forget Anita Ekberg in LA DOLCE VITA and Claudia Cardinale in 8 1/2? That’s like forgetting Snell and Sauer in Super Bowl III, i.e. unsung MVPs. (Yvonne Furneaux in …VITA wasn’t bad either, she’s like the Bob Talamini equivalent…)

  60. By GaryC on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    jetfantom,not to stop on european dishes but the hammer girls of england that christopher lee put a bite in weren’t bad either, barbara shelley,yvonne romaine and barbara carlson,I would sleep in a coffin knowing that was in front of me when I awoke. again going off into another world in till camp opens up.

  61. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    So now Plax says that Sanchez’s injured shoulder last yr kept him from throwing long well. That’s actually a relief to hear if true because it takes care of all these “We Can Win the Super Bowl Even If Mark Throws Three Picks to Linemen Every Game as Long as the D Holds the Other Team to 5 Points” types and their endless excuse-making, as ron mentions. I’m with you on the opposite sex, kleckofan, it’s still the greatest thing ever invented aside from the post pattern, and ron, I’ll leave the stories about Raquel to Joe Willie. I like Cimini’s pt yesterday about how Hill, Kerley, and McKnight blow away LT, Mason, and Plax for speed on 3rd down. Giants still got that front four and those WRs, danny, not to mention a QB who can throw to ‘em.

  62. By DKM on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    Just to give a little of my Mustard to some of the previous post’s.

    IRA so just 2 more wins then i predicted if everything goes well in your opinion but it doesnt put us past the pats in our divison and the ravens for a wild card, now what, we still in the same boat, its just NOT enough.

    On Sanchez, my opinion used to be, give a another chance and 1 more year but i got gowith JFS64 here, after 3 years how much more time, how many more chances and excuses, we schould know by now and we do he might just NOT be the QB to pull us out of mediocrity. And the coaching stuff and FO who needs to long to see that might just not be a good one either.

  63. By DKM on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    There was a lot of good looking woman in the old days and there some real hotties now a days, but before you pass you judgement on EVA some of you might go in your Bedroom or Livingroom and look at your Wifes or Boyfriends.
    And trust me some of you will have rude awakening and wish they would be in MS shoes.

  64. By DKM on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    I will make a effort to visit Cortland this year its close to my familys restaurant up there and its a pretty Motorcycle ride thru the Delaware Watergap thats how i like to go anyway instead of route 17. Hope to meet some of you guys up there.

  65. By Tom Spicer on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    The more I watch the Tebow highlights the more I think the Jets got him as there change of pace back & that there will not be a QB controversy. If you look at his highlights they are all of him running guys over like a Peyton Hillis type of RB. I only see like 1 throw in there eveything else is him trucking guys. If the Jets play it right it might not be the disaster that everyone thinks its going to be.

  66. By Tom Spicer on Jul 9, 2012 | Reply

    They interviewed Plax & he said Sanchez was dealing with a bad shoulder all last year. Maybe it hurt his play last year?

  67. By IRA on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    What does everybody think about the AFC West? I am not sold that manning will take the Broncos to the playoffs. Too many unknown issues for now with his neck. While i don’t trust N Turner in a big game i do believe the Chargers have reloaded on defense and if Rivers can have a comeback year i think they are the team to beat in the AFC West. Thoughts?

  68. By Bennett on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    You watch a lot football over the years some plays just stand out and not just the great ones. Talking about Keyshawn, one play just stands out for me. 3rd down and long late in a game, a most have. Keyshawn does a cross in the middle, runnng full out the ball is thrown high The DB is running full out in a position to absolutley cream him and Keyshawn sees this. He never falters never slows never even flinches just total concentration on the ball, times it just right leaps makes a terriffic grab and the safety absolutley levels him in mid air a fraction of a second latter he holds on gets right up, 1ST DOWN… BAAAAAAABY YEAAAAAAH BAAAAAABY. Now that was one tought sum ….gun, showed me something in that game I never forgot.

  69. By Bennett on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    Now lets take Sanchez (just for an example here ) Got his WR wide open on the run down the sideline , Linebacker coming at him on a blitz full out (probably beat Mulligan ) knows he is going to get plastered throws the ball………..away yes away. Yes…THROOOOOOWS THE BALL AWAAAAAAY. Friends this is the differance… this is what we have ….just watch the games and key on Sanchez and you will learn alot about him. Beleive me other teams know this very well PRESSURE SANCHEZ and he will fold like a cheap lawn chair

  70. By SCfromNY on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    While I have at this point little confidence in Sanchez’s ability to lead it is not about his work ethic, throwing ability, or knowledge. Last year none of this transfered to the field where sulking and a timid demeaner were the problem. Just getting a little better will not do it. With the AFC North possibly sending 3 teams again everyone else must win their division. Two years ago we had identical excellent records with the Pats. We were crushed when we played them because there was so much hype. Then we beat them in the playoffs and came out dead in Pitts. Besides skill and luck attitude plays a huge part in winning games.

  71. By Bennett on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    Yo Ron Alexander glad you enjoy this site nice to have a free exchange of ideas and a forum that is not realitively overly restricted. There are some weird sites out thiere. Me I’am sitting home trying to recover from a heart attack, feeling sorry for myself and I look up my old Junior High school site, the are inviting comments from past students to post. So I write them about the old basketball coach who did nothing but bully, demean and try to destroy the little self esteem I had as I went throught puberty. I mean this guy was constantley on me, in the halls at lunch. in the class, at practice, something way wrong with this dude and for some reason he picked me as his latest target. Anyway I sent this and I get a message that my comment

  72. By ron alexander on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    Hey,,,,,, Danny, welcome back bro, I was afraid our Deacon of Doom(Joe) had driven you away!! SPIcer, I agree we should have captians. Mangold and Sanchez(ya gotta pick the Q.B.) and Revis & Harris on D. Probably a special team guy too (not sure who at this point! ) Randy, has anybody given any updates on Landry’s injury? will he be ready for camp?

  73. By Karan on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    I love the way the Jets have handled this whole QB thing with Sanchez and Tebow. You know the media will try to make the worst of it and build this up as a major QB contraversy. We all get sense, even if its just a little because Tebow is a such a polarizing figure, but good for Rex who keeps restating that Sanchez is the clear-cut starter and Tebow is the backup-QB who will be involved in many roles since he is very versatile. Thats it! Theres nothing more to it, for anyone who has that media mindset right now.

  74. By Bennett on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    … is going to be reviewed by a ” commitee ” and the will respond within 48 hours. Werid huh… I mean either post it or don’t…right? So any way couple a days later I get a message back and the thank me for my post and tell the are glad I had such a nice expierence at the school during my important formative years but my comment has been deemed not suitable for posting as it does not meet the “critera ” set for an approrpriate topic. So I write back are you people CRAZY and I get a response that my comment is going to be reviewed by a “commitee” and the will respond within…..

  75. By ron alexander on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, Loved you Keyshaun post. I watched him in the Rosebowl (agains Iowa I think)and he was like a man playing against boys. Big strong, unstoppable. Like most of you I was a long time season ticket holder(every year at the Meadowlands) and he was one of my favorite all time Jets in terms of physical ability. I just wish he hadn’t made so many stupid comments like calling Crebet a coaches pet and stuff like that. He will never be remembered as a great Jet because of his mouth. Too bad cause he was a tough s.o.b on the field.Ira. AFC west looks like the old AFC west,a lot of chuck & duck. Rivers,Manning,Palmer(with all those w.r’s) and even Cassell can all throw the ball. Defence will be the key out there.Can any of them play D?

  76. By GaryC on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    jetfantom,cimini making a comment about plastico and masons speed,funny, some of us knew that last year,and some thought it would lead to super bowl grandeur.that being said the jets better use a lot of four three defense this year also because if I see scott,pace and thomas on the field too much this year,it will be a repeat of last year.

  77. By GaryC on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    Look,Tebow is an asset,he will not beat out sanchez and if some team is looking for a quarterback down the road the jets can offer him if he shows any improvement playing quarterback and maybe get a second or third rounder.

  78. By ron alexander on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, I hope you recover quickly and well. I can relate to your problems with your coach.I played highschool football,baseball and basketball and I had some really good coaches but there is always gonna be the nut jobs out there that dont get it!(not just the monster like the Sandusky’s of the world) After finishing my playing career in college I coached all three sports at various levels and I always remembered how poorly I responded to yelling and public critism in general. As a coach and later as a manager at work I always tried to deal with people in a manner of respect and take a more positive appoach. As I’m now nearly 60 i have become kind of a golf nut and I find my positive approach helps me a lot with the game. get well soon.

  79. By scjoe on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, even if what Plax said about Sanchez arm hurting were true, if he was hurting the team by being in there you pull him put just like you would do at any position. Problem is, there was no viable back up to put in. That is not acceptable, yet, when some of us on here point out those instances, others read the riot act about how you are not “supporting your team” D-U-M-B. but true. 64, one of my favorites from that era has to be Ursula Andress. In the words of one of the funniest actors of all time, Art Carney (Ed Norton) va va va va voom!!!!

  80. By scjoe on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, don’t count out or underestimate the Broncos with Peyton at QB. If he is anywhere near 100%, which I hear he is close to, they will contend. Imagine Peyton leading a team that actually has a decent defense? I like KCs chances too in a division I believe could be one of the strongest. I think Oakland (if completely healthy) could also be dangerous. SD? I think it is safe to say you can pencil them in anywhere between first and worse.

  81. By IRA on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, Hope you have a speedy recovery.
    scjoe, Hard to argue Denver’s D was very good at times last year. They sure know how to get to the QB with Dumervil and Miller. Plus they have another player the Jets let get away with Dreessen. I still feel that SD has a better overall roster and if Rivers gets back on track it will be a very close battle between these two teams. The raiders had too many changes so i can’t see them better then 7-9 or so. The Chiefs loaded up and will be a factor but i feel Den and SD are stlll better.

  82. By ron alexander on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.Joe and IRA, Denver beat us last year with Tebow so Manning will be an obvious upgrade there. They have some good young recievers too but their O.Line is so-so and inspite of Von Miller they are avg.on D.I’m still trying to figure out how S.D could let Vincent Jackson leave via free agency? That would be like us letting Revis leave? K.C is limited like we are by their Q.B. Cassell who has done nothing to justify that contract and their back-up is Brady Quinn? Oakland has a chance to be scary with McFadden at R.B and 5 w.r’s that can flat out fly! I was reading where Louis Murphy who has been there most productive w.r may not even make the team this year?Ursula Andress was hot! va VaVaVoom!

  83. By GaryC on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    Plastico is just throwing Sanchez under the bus to make him look good to some team that wants his services this year.He can tell teams that’s why he had a bad year because of sanchez’s arm and was the reason for his bad year,not because he is slow and past his prime.

  84. By Bennett on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    On GIligans island Maryann or the Movie Star ?????

  85. By Bennett on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    You old timers remember watching that great old Raiders team when Madden was coach. Fred Biletinkoff, Billy Casper, Kenny “The Snake” Stabler. Another play stands out for me. Oakland driving late for the win, fierce, physical game. Stabler goes back to pass for the go ahead TD, pocket totally disentigrates he is under tremendous pressure as he eludeds one tackle after another, never takes his eyes of the end zone, never gives up, never stops trying, tackled around the legs as he is going down just before his knee touches (and before the days of the quick “in the grasp ” whistle) he throws a strike a TOUCHDOWN BAAAAAAABY RADIERS WIN. Now thats Football

  86. By ron alexander on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett, Yeah I remember “theSnake”.A great player, kind of reminded me of the Redskins Sunny Jurgensen. Not a great looking athlete, but what an arm and accurate too! The Raiders of the 60’s had the “Mad Bomber” Daryl Lamonica. That guy had fast recievers and no fear! 1st & 10,the bomb! 3rd and a foot,the bomb! 4th & inches,the bomb! Great stuff! Bye the way, I was a MaryAnn guy!
    GARYC, not sure I get where your going with Plastico praising Sanchez to increase his trade value? First of all, a trade prior to the season so late is virtually unheard of. Sanchez’s contract would not only be a problem for the team that wanted to get him, but would be a hugh hit to the Jets cap as well.

  87. By GaryC on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    bennett, you are getting your football mixed up with your golf,it is dave caspar,not billy casper,and the game you are talking about was the playoff game between raiders and dolphins where clarence davis made the touchdown catch.

  88. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    Contrary to what wayne thinks, DKM, out here in L.A. we walk it like we talk on wives and gf’s, even at my advanced age (though I will say I’ve yet to buy dinner for any gal over about 42). But anonymity for both myself and the ladies is appropriate for this site (even if in my case the lady in question wouldn’t mind a bit if I plastered this space with her website!) Bennett, good luck recovering and keep sending in these great posts. GaryC and scjoe with the Hammer girls and Andress, what blasts from the past! Yeah, GaryC, I’ll give you props on Mason and Plax but I was saying LT was done after his 1st yr and the key is playing our young speedsters, which the “Bring back Edwards” crowd is still nervous about doing.

  89. By SCfromNY on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    My opinion on the AFC West: Chargers or Chiefs take the division, Broncos 3rd, and Raiders bring up the rear. While I would NEVER dismiss Peyton, his performance in Indy was helped by building a team around him. Given another year or two if he holds up then I think Denver will be a force to reckon with. Again with no disrespect to Peyton he has a losing playoff record, 9-10 and his brother with half the time in the league has twice the number of SBs. IMO the best QB ever, Marino, never won a SB and that’s because off the talent around him. Bennett: your comment about Stabler is what all great QBs are about and so far Sanchez isn’t.

  90. By GaryC on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    ron alexander,my point I was making that Plastico is looking for work now and he conviently mentions that sanchez had a bum arm all year,maybe kind of excusing his rotten play all year,thus giving teammates the thought that sanchez hid the problem to the detriment of the team,nice he is saying now that he is no longer a jet.

  91. By DKM on Jul 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, even if Payton is only 50% it is 100% more compare to what Tebow gave the Broncos as a QB, and i mean in the sense of QB ability, so i do think that they will win there division, the raiders are not there yet given they just seem to change there Coaching stuff every year, KC is gonna take a while to recover from the Haley Disaster and SDC will never win as long as Norv is the coach there i dont care how good the Team is.

    Bennett wish you a speedy and healty recovery.

    JFS64 N I C E hats up to you.

  92. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks, DKM, like the Byrds sang way back when 5-8-1 with Namath was considered improvement, “Malibu is callin’ you, the days and nights are warm/You can find excitement in any size, shape, or form…”

  93. By ron alexander on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, Oooops, my bad. I guess I just misunderstood what what you were saying.Yeah, I can understand what you mean about Plastico trying to c.h.o.a.
    S.C.N.Y & DKM, I liked your analysis of the AFC west but truthfully I cant see how anybody can pick a cl;ear cut winner out there at this point. Too many variables in play. Will Payton stay healthy? Can S.D. finally figure out a way to win inspite of Norve? Can the Raiders make a run inspite of all the turnover? Can K.C finally get Cassell to play like he did in New England? The rosters out there are full of players nobody knows a lot about. Most of those teams are playing a lot of young players so it should be very interesting out there. More importantly,what do you guys think of the AFC east

  94. By scjoe on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ron Alexander, Stabler never had the arm Lamonica had, but he was deadly between 20-25 yards, he was a leader and a winner and that was the only reason Al Davis stuck with him, because all Davis wanted was bombs away, at all times. With Stabler they didn’t need to.

  95. By kleckofan on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    JFT64- whoa, I wasn’t saying to go “to the other camp”, just that no woman (at least not to this point in my life, 49 yrs) is beyond getting on your nerves after some time…eh maybe the fact that I’m just beginning a divorce has soured my opinion, maybe. Funny, my father had property in Punta Gorda too. I remember seeing battle play for the Bridgeport Jets at Kennedy Stadium (anyone out there know about the Bridgeport Jets?) Wasn’t there a glass eating contest w Tim Rossovich? Wow, this is definitely off-season chatter!!
    Are any of you fellow “old timers” raising your kids in the Green and White? Any second thoughts about putting them through it?

  96. By DKM on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    kleckofan, yeah i took my son to his first game when he was 2 and he has been a Jets Fan since, weve been going ever since together now he is 15, however my other son and my 2 girls have no interest what so ever in Sports, is not so much that the Jets been loosing for such a long time and im used to it, what im still not used to is my son being Hartbrocken evry time our Jets loose, cause he takes it a little harder than me.And by the way NO regrets here im proud raising a die hard. GO JETS

  97. By danny on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer I said from day 1 that watching Tebow run the football he reminds me of Peyton Hillis. I agree with u 100 percent he will help our team RUNNING the Football not at QB. Tebow was brought here to make plays and came very cheap so by the end of the season ppl will say what a great pickup. The world knows Tebow is not a NFL starting QB but for damnn sure he is a NFL football player and the dude can pound the football. MS is our QB like Rex keeps saying and if he don’t get the job done this yr then someone else will be our QB next yr and his name will def not be Tim Tebow

  98. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 11, 2012 | Reply

    I think I misunderstood YOU, kleckofan! I didn’t mean anything about the other camp, though that’s fine for those folks, I just meant that women can make you crazy for sure but it would still be pretty dull without them around. Good luck with the divorce, I’m sure you’ll bounce back just fine. And I’d sure like to have some property in Punta Gorda, I’ll tell you that! A little place right near the Peace River sounds great to me…or maybe something over on the Port Charlotte side…

  99. By ron alexander on Jul 12, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.Joe yeah, I wasn’t alluding to Stabler’s arm strength, Just the accuracy. I always thought like Jurgensen he never looked like a NFL Q.B, but he could sure as heck light up you defence.TOM64 your feistiness was never in question, just thought I needed to point out the obvious. You and Ira and S.C. joe deserve a lot of respect here as you guys are always a good read. Hey,I dont agree with everything but I always respect and appreciate other peoples views. Danny, I know Tebow is a big strong guy but I’m not sure I’d compare him to Payton Hillis. I doubt he wants any part of bulldozing into the line on a consistent basis. That type of back takes a terriable beating and usually enjoys a very brief career.

  100. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 12, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks, ron, and funny you say that, because the guy that Tebow always reminds of the most is…Payton Hillis…

  101. By kleckofan on Jul 13, 2012 | Reply

    JFTS64- Port Charlotte side. DKM- my son is 8 and diehard too, sometimes it just seems a bit masochistic!

  102. By danny on Jul 13, 2012 | Reply

    Ron I think Tebow is a tough dude who loves football and if it takes him pounding into the line on a consistant basis to help his team he will do it and do it with pride and heart

  103. By ron alexander on Jul 14, 2012 | Reply

    DANNY, no argument here! Tebow is a tough dude,no doubt. But if you think he is going to become a running back I would say that would be like entering a farm plow horse in the Kentucky Derby. Now if your talking 5 or so rushes from the “wildcat o.k. But there not gonna line him up behind Sanchez and let him do an “Earl Cambell impersonation.As tough as he is I guarantee you he wants no-part of that. Keep in mind, he wears a Q.B’s shoulder pads so he can throw the ball.I know your a ball player so you know what Q.B’s wear(like almost nothing at all. Landry’s speed is great on paper but he lacks the flexability to change direction which is the real key to pass coverage.Hey, the guy will hit what ever he can catch, but what can he catch?

  104. By billmcdonough on Jul 15, 2012 | Reply

    I asked this once b4 , whats goin on with Revis ?

  105. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Jul 15, 2012 | Reply

    I’ll meet you at the Arby’s on the Port Charlotte side of the Peace River, kleckofan, next time I’m down there, or maybe at Monti’s, which has to be the best Italian restaurant in Florida. danny and ron, the only thing more ridiculous than Rex’s love of FBs, a position that’s almost completely irrelevant in today’s NFL, is the notion of turning Tebow into one.

  106. By danny on Jul 15, 2012 | Reply

    I have to disagree with u Ron on both Tebow and Landry. Tebow don’t wear ur usually QB shoulder pads because he is not ur usually QB. If u look at his shoulder pads last season they were like RB shoulder pads because he ran a run option offense. yes he will run the ball from wildcat but he will line up in backfield at times too. Rex has said he will use him at diff positons and I think he will. Now he won;t be in there consistantly but he will be in the backfield and in the slot. Tebow will catch a td from MS too. As for Landry not just on paper does he have speed look at his highlights. The dude has closing speed. As for covering one on one no I’m not to sure but the dude is a sick athlete with speed and tough as nails

  107. By danny on Jul 15, 2012 | Reply

    Big Ron when Rex said Tebow may get 20 plays a game everyone said how can MS come off the field for 20 plays. Well MS won;t come off more then 5 or 6 but Tebow will play other positions because the dude is a playmaker who can run or throw the football. Ohh I’m sure he can catch it well too. Remember I said all this Ron cause u will see it this season. Tebow will make plays for us. The dude is Big, Fast, Powerful and Athletic who can run with the ball and run it hard

  108. By scjoe on Jul 16, 2012 | Reply

    No one knows for sure what Tebow’s roll will be to start the season. But if he is taken reps at the RB position along with TE, HB, FB, WC, etc. Those spots where everyone seems to have him penciled in, then what does that tell you about the b/u QB position? Imagine Tebow getting seriously injured playing TE, FB, HB, etc. Then, Sanchez going down? I like what I have seen (the little I have seen) from McElroy thus far, BUT! I don’t think he would be quite ready to be the #1 three or four weeks into this season.

  109. By ron alexander on Jul 16, 2012 | Reply

    Danny, as always I love your enthusiasm and I certianly dont want to burst anyones bubble, but if there is any point Tebow himself has made is “he is a Q.B! Hey, I’m sure he will do what he has to do to help us,but dont confuse him with a running back. As for Landry, I sincerely hope you are right!I hope he makes the pro-bowl and blows up recievers all year. That being said, I have read a lot of scouting reports on him that say his coverage skills are not very good. Our best hope for the safty posisition is in next years draft. 5 or 6 good safty’s expected to come out. This year we need to get lucky with the guys we have and hope the pass rush makes this a mute point.

  110. By ron alexander on Jul 17, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, Thank you very much! I agree 100% with you. Tebow has never lined up as a R.B. in his entire college or pro career.Why risk injuring him doing somthing he is not prepared to do. As a running Q.B he has the advantage of the threat of the pass.As a R.B in the I formation he will be charging into the line and subjected to some serious collissions. I also doubt weather McIlroy is ready to take over after missing the entire rookie season last year.

  111. By Marky on Jul 18, 2012 | Reply

    I think Sanchez has shown us that he can take a good lickin and keep on ticking, guy is tough as nails but your right, what if he does go down and Tebow is hurt playing RB or TE…I dont think Sanchez will get hurt anyways but you never know. Dont get too discouraged on Sanchez, guy is 1 year removed from a AFC title game, last year was a collapse on a TEAM front, not only on Sanchez.

    IF his WR and RB come out and play this year than he will be successfull, he cant do it on his own, not many QB’s do and no we dont have a Bree’s or BRady in Sanchez….please, best QB’s in the game.

  112. By SCfromNY on Jul 18, 2012 | Reply

    I will give Sanchez kudos for 2010. He was calm under pressure in several 4th quarter comeback victories. His performance against Indy and the Pats was terrific. The whole team lost to the Steelers because they were flat after coming from their SB beating NE and getting back for the 45-3 trouncing. 2009 war a lot of luck; Not a great record and flops by the Colts and Bengals to make the playoffs. By all indications Sanchez should have progressed even further in 2011. But he became timid, unsure of himself, less of a leader, a turnover machine,and a poor attitude. This can be cured by a comeback 2012 or he can become the next David Carr, no slur he had plenty of reasons. Better parts are in place here in 2012, let’s hope.

  113. By danny on Jul 18, 2012 | Reply

    Tebow has already stated he will do anything to help the team win. Tebow is a big solid boy who knows how to run with the ball. No he won’t be considered a RB but he will line up back there with MS at QB and other spots too. It has been mentioned by REX and by plenty of others and I love it and can see it. Tebow is a big dude and either u can run with the football or u can’t and Tebow has proved he can last yr in the NFL. The dude ran over 265 LB linebackers time and time again. I love ittttt u will see Ron he will play more then wildcat QB for our Jets

  114. By danny on Jul 18, 2012 | Reply

    Ohh and Ron your also not gonna see Tebow line up at RB in the I formation and pound it up the gut LOL but you will see a quick toss to Tebow with the threat to throw and could possibly throw once in a while. Especially near the goaline as teams see both MS and Tebow on the field. Sparano will be creative with Tebow he is a playmaker and tough football player

  115. By danny on Jul 18, 2012 | Reply

    If Tebow takes over he can’t run a normal pro offense he proved that against the Lions last season and was a joke. If MS goes down we will see a read option offense like Denver did and Mac will play a lot to throw. Tebow is no way and never will be a normal Pro NFL QB. That is why it was easy for the Jets to sign him for 1.2 million and no one else besides the Jaguars as there 3rd string QB wanted him. Lets be real if he don’t do other things he won’t be in the NFL long. The dude can;t sit in the pocket and throw the football. He can throw on run either lol. He won some big games last yr but his D played great and he makes big plays, Eric smith gave him our game not keeping outside contain on the Tebow TD. Ur taught that in pee wee

  116. By chris, on Jul 19, 2012 | Reply

    I think the team can only benefit from going back to cortland and away from all the hysteria in new york. I think sanchez can have a great year i believe he can throw for 4,000 and 30 tds if he can limit the turnovers. our running game will only further help sanchez in his development.

    i am firmly a believer in shonn greene, dude was a beast at iowa and was the leading rusher in all of college football. he is not a flashy runner like cj2k or matt forte, but when he gets the rock consistently he punishes opponents for attempting to tackle him.
    in the 2010 playoffs especially you could see that teams did not want any part of tackling shonn greene late in games.

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