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Sanchez, Tebow Lead Offense to Goal-Line TKO

Posted by Randy Lange on August 2, 2012 – 1:11 pm

In London, they’re distributing gold, silver and bronze medals these days. In Cortland the currency is black jerseys.

And as TE Josh Baker said after today’s training camp practice, “We went ahead and broke through.”

Today was the first time the Jets practiced their full-contact goal-line/short-yardage drills. And with the offense pushing across five TDs in eight plays, that was enough for the O to take the prized black practice jerseys off the backs of the D for the first time this camp.

The story of the short but violent period at SUNY Cortland was the quarterbacks, as always. And Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow produced. On the first offense’s four plays against the first defense, Sanchez bootlegged one score in and Shonn Greene vaulted over from a yard out.

On the twos vs. twos, Tebow took over, with head coach Rex Ryan telling his defenders: “Tebow’s live unless he passes.” To which LB Bart Scott said from the side, “Can we have Sanchez live?”

Despite being eligible to be hit, Tebow was elusive as he booted the first play in, floated a TD pass to a wide-open Baker — “Sometimes those are the hardest ones when you can overthink them,” Baker said. Then TT called his own number out of the shotgun and a spread offense with an inside run for a standing TD.

“It looked great,” Sanchez said of the period. “I was excited about our tempo, about our power on the goal line, the way we punched the ball in the end zone. We got Tim involved there, which was huge, and that’s a big mismatch for us, so it was fun.”

The latest rephrasing of the eternal question was posed to Sanchez again: Would it really be OK if he led the offense down the field to the 5, then came out for Tebow to do the punching in? The Jets starter gave his strongest testimony yet that he’s on board, whatever the call.

“We’ve got to get it in. I don’t care,” Sanchez said. “Whatever we have to do, and Coach Sparano’s going to be the judge there on what exactly he wants, but if that’s what he wants and that’s what puts it in the end zone, fine. We’re driving 99 yards and he runs it in, don’t matter.”


“We’ve got to win the game,” No. 6 said. “It doesn’t matter. We’ve got to win. We’re in the business of winning.”

“I think that shows, number one, that he’s all in, he just wants to win,” Ryan said of Sanchez at his midday news conference. “It’s not about him, not about me, not about this guy or that guy — it’s about us. I think he understands that as well as anybody. He’s been absolutely terrific. It’s that team mindset we’re trying to develop.”

Ryan also liked what he saw from Tebow.

“This was Tim’s best day of camp,” the coach said. “That’s because we got to do a little live football. That’s when he’s going to stand out. You hear Tony [Sparano] say it all the time: ‘Run through the smoke.’ He ran through the smoke and there’s a 250-pound guy coming right at you. You saw what he can bring to the table today in the short-yardage/goal-line situation. When we’re doing more Wildcat situations, we’ll all be excited that Tim’s here.”

As for the black jerseys, Ryan said he told the players Wednesday that they were going to the offensive guys anyway, after the defense had won the right to wear the jerseys the first couple of days.

“I knew we’d get the best out of both sides,” he said. “I already said it, so shoot, they [the offense] were definitely going to wear ‘em.”

But Rex said, “Did they win it? Yeah, they earned it.”

Meeting of the Minds

Ryan was asked about what some players confirmed, which was that the coach called a team meeting Wednesday night to address some things. He might have touched on CB Antonio Cromartie saying he was the team’s second-best receiver, although Ryan didn’t seem to think that was a huge deal. But he had several other topics he wanted to remind his team about.

“I just took that time to say sometimes we need to mindful of what’s in the best interests of our team. That was the message, and there were others,” he said. “If I see an issue, I’m going to stay on top of it. … We’re going to be out in front of things, not behind things.”

He said he’s not “muzzling” his players, something that he has said he won’t do.

“If people want to paint the Jets as this rogue team, then that’s fine,” he said. “We want to win. We’re as competitive as any team in this league. Now do we want to have fun? Absolutely. Do I want our guys to be ourselves? I do. But I also understand there are some deals that can hurt our football team instead of help it.”

Rex Cetera

Ryan likes the way all his backs are running, but two he singled out today are starter Shonn Greene and second-year man Bilal Powell, who had another nice burst up the middle in team drills this morning. “Powell, he just looks like a different guy,” the coach said.

The defense, which did some grumbling over Rex’s scoring on the goal line, made up for it with some strong blitz pressure in team drills.

Sanchez was “sacked” on a Bart Scott blitz, but on the next play lasered a completion between defenders to WR Dexter Jackson. With the first D vs. the second O, Aaron Maybin flew off the edge for a Tebow sack, and then in twos vs. twos, rookie S Antonio Allen again flashed with a blitz sack of Tebow. With the threes on the field, Donnie Fletcher found an opening to “take down” Greg McElroy.

Then Sanchez, back in under center, got pressured by fourth CB Ellis Lankster and on a nice combo edge rush by David Harris and Maybin.

Today’s attendance: 2,769. Friday’s practice is closed to the public. Then Saturday night it’s wide open for fans to watch this year’s Green & White practice.

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44 Responses to “Sanchez, Tebow Lead Offense to Goal-Line TKO”

  1. By jack on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    If bell and Landry can stay healthy they solidify the saftey spots well, and if not, we can find out if antonio allen is for real, because he looks exciting. the big question once again is o-line, mainly right tackle because wayne hunter is as useful as a turnstyle.

  2. By darianm on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    Everyone of course including Rex Ryan has been saying that this is about THE TEAM not one individual can play football. I agree one hundred percent. So can you please tell me why you along with all other “sports writers” have been from day one been writing articles about TEBOW and the rest of the NYJETS and this is the very first article I’ve seen anything about SANCHEZ. When you think of the times SANCHEZ got sacked, also think of the times HE got TOUCHDOWNS.

  3. By rspikes on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    I like it.
    Things are coming together.
    For one team to have three gifted and healthy quarterbacks….one a fine passer, one a dominating runner, and a third who can do do it all is absolutely amazing.
    Where is the controversy?
    These three haven’t mentioned it.
    The Jets’ defensive unit will only get better as they learn how to defend against and contain each of the quarterbacks in a revamped and improved offense.
    As for Teddy Bruschi….he played on the defensive unit, and did not participate in any offensive huddle, so whose voice was he hearing…it certainly was not Brady’s.

  4. By Jersey Joe on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    It’s encouraging that the offense is showing some signs of life, I’m optimistic that Sparano will utilize what Tebow brings to the field much better than that Bozo Fox did out in Denver. It’s funny to me that the Bronco’s never watched film (didn’t look like they did) of TT at Florida and think ” Ok what does this guy do well and what does he struggle with” ? They forced him week after week to make the quick short timing throws ( he rarely completes em), when he actually throws a pretty accurate deep ball, it’ll be fun to watch him launch a few bombs to Hill, Schillins and maybe even Cromartie LOL Slightly disappointed that almost every pressure and sack the D gets is from a corner (where’s Coples?) Big time QB’s torch corner blitzes!

  5. By Tom Spicer on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    Brandon Moore has hip surgery prior to the season last year he could not practice during the week he was so hurt. But I am being told that did not hurt his play hip sugery is minor he just had a bo bo. Slauson hurt his shoulder prior to last year & he tried to play thru it. As the season went on it got worse & worse to the point where he could not raise his arm over his head. After the season he had surgery on 3 different upper arm areas & they said he probably would not be ready for the start of this year. But this did not effect his play it realy didnt hurt having shoulder surgery is minor it was just a bo bo. Mangold had a high ankle sprain that made him miss 2 1/2 games & have to play like a shell of himself in some others. But this to

  6. By Tom Spicer on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    is just a bo bo it did not hurt his play & he should have never missed & game.
    Wayne Hunter is not is not the worst starting tackle in all of football EVERYONE is wrong about it he is actually the best there is. We only tried to trade for Otah for depth not to replace Hunter. The Jet O line was all healthy last year & they all played great. It was all Mark Sanchez’s fault! You guys didnt know this?

  7. By Jersey Joe on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    This kid Allen may be the steal of our draft, would’t it be amazing if the safety position went from ( I would argue) worst in the league to one of the better units over the course of one season ? I cringe with every mention of Hunter being penciled it as our starting RT (groan) how can he go from turnstile to stud in the off-season? A rookie adjusting to the speed and stunts he sees his first year, provided he has the natural ability can make great strides but, Hunter’s no rook and looks more like an over-matched slow footed stumble-bum right out of the Rich Kotite school. The O line is similar to a chain, if they are only as strong as their weakest link our run/passing game will be DOA

  8. By ron alexander on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    JERSEY JOE, one of the best post i have seen on this site!I liked everything you said except the part about T.T throwing deep to the guys you mentioned. He still scares me as a passer!I would prefer to see him run but throw as little as possiable.Hey Jack,Its looking like we are gonna be seeing a lot of Antonio Allen if he keeps makeing plays. Landry is an injury waiting to happan. i will be surprised if we get like 8 games out of him?Dont forget the other rook Bush. He actually played C.B his first three years so the S posisition is relatively new to him,but he has excellent coverage ability and good speed too.

  9. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry, guys, you heard it here first, this Tebow-at-the-goal-line thing will be a flash in the pan, like all gimmicks. When it works once or twice in the first few games, Arte will say we’re a lock for the SB. When D’s plan for it and it doesn’t work, and then Sanchez finds himself 5 or 6 games in not really knowing what he’s doing — a state he regularly enters even when he plays every snap of the season — everyone will come down on Mr T and Rex for unnecessarily picking up the wrong backup QB and for not knowing who the starting QB is. And then if we lose a few more games, Rex will be gone. Sorry, but this silliness is frying pan into the fire stuff. You notice we’re the only team engaging in it, much less getting excited about it.

  10. By FL.PETE on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Randy, im curious to know how Raymond Webber is looking on the practice field. This kid is a specimen of a WR in the mold of TO, and i see that he is one of the WR that are still healthy so im sure hes getting the extra reps in practice. How is He doing?

  11. By Randy Lange on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    FL.PETE, Raymond Webber had an outstanding long pass from Greg McElroy that he tipped to himself for a TD a few days ago, and because of the injuries at WR, he’s been playing more the past couple of days and has come up with some nice receptions.

  12. By Paul N on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    Safety for the Jets is not solidified, Bell is old, we’ll see what’s left in the tank. Landry is a walking ambulance case, he skipped surgery for an “alternative therapy”, he’s not practicing daily yet and missed ALL of the OTA’s and Minicamps. Then we have Eric Smith, hardly the solution to any of our problems at safety. So, I believe we’re going to need those rookies to step up before season end. Nice to hear Allen is catching on already and making some plays!

  13. By scjoe on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    On the contrary Ron. I think we need to see Tebow throw as often as possible during camp and pre season. I don’t think he is getting the necessary reps to be in a position to take over this team should Sanchez go down early in (or before) the season as it is. After all, he IS the b/u QB as far as we all know. I guess the same statement can be made for McElroy as well. The QB position is just to important a position for a team not to be prepared in the case of an injury, which can happen on any given play.

  14. By since shea on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    Ducasse and Hunter are the starters!!! Coples off to a slow start, so slow that he is getting zero press. Hmmmm, I know its early but this very same scenario unfolded with Vernon you know who. Honestly, we can almost live with Coples not being a major impact but as for pass protection, fix that and we do well this year!

  15. By SCfromNY on Aug 2, 2012 | Reply

    Here are my offensive issues. First let’s not be concerned at this time about personel. Maybe Hunter will improve, maybe Sanchez will build on his 2010 form, maybe Greene will be dynamic, and perhaps our young receivers will be great.

    Rex wants to ground and pound. That takes passing plays away from Sanchez. Sanchez is already getting fewer snaps because of Tebow. NO BACKUP EVER GETS THIS MUCH WORK. QBs when slightly injured hate to split reps with backups and now it seems we have a #1 and #1A QB. Sanchez and the receivers need the work I hope they realize the pitfalls with this system before the season starts.

  16. By SOCALJETFAN on Aug 3, 2012 | Reply

    I hope the Offensive-line,protects SANCHEZ better then they did last year,SANCHEZ was tacking some hits,if they are going to suceed,it all starts up front with The O-Line.

  17. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 3, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe and SCfromNY, your posts interest me because they’re 2 of the only ones I’ve seen to address an obvious truth that even Cimini is ignoring. (Well, not really, he’s always up for building a crisis out of nothing.) And that truth is that our QB situation is making less sense, not more, this yr. Sanchez needs a full yr to sink or swim with everyone around him improved, if not all All-Pro. But this Tebow nonsense, which the press seems to eat up, is actually preventing MS from even taking control of the team. And McElroy sounds like he’s struggling to get on the field. With the 1st exhib game a week away and our O usually asleep in pre-season as it is, this is NOT the kind of camp we need, Cortland or not.

  18. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 3, 2012 | Reply

    And SCfromNY, what do you mean “Rex wants to ground and pound” — WITH WHAT? A promising but incomplete Greene, a McKnight who’s barely played at RB, and a bunch of actual (Ganaway) or essential (Powell) rookies?! It’s one thing to draft a great prospect like Hill, a player of many natural and developed gifts, and give him a chance to start, assuming the QB and the OL step up from last yr. It’s another to talk about grounding and pounding when you don’t even have the beginnings of the required RBs. I said the Jets should go after Lynch, Tolbert, Benson (last yr, not this) but the fact that they didn’t shows they know we’re not going deep into the playoffs this yr and need to try new guys. But let’s not crown those new guys stars quite yet!

  19. By GaryC on Aug 3, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry guys, Hunter isn’t improving,guys in their 30’s rarely do.the jets have already tried to replace him with Otah,It will be shocking if he is the starting right tackle on opening day.

  20. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 3, 2012 | Reply

    That’s right, GaryC, Hunter will be replaced by Griffin or Slauson moving to RT when Ducasse starts at LG. In other words, aging, inadequate vets will be replaced by young guys that we’ve drafted, just like during any other rebuilding process. The big question is whether we’re gonna have to start all over again at QB.

  21. By danny on Aug 3, 2012 | Reply

    Tom64 Idk about teams game planning to stop Tebow running because every team he faced last yr tried and couldn;t stop it. It’s not really a gimmick it;s a power offense on the goaline, It’s very hard tp stop because he can run, pass or hand it off. Now if he runs we also seen how explosive and powerful he is. Just because other teams never did this don’t mean it can’t work. No other team has had a TT lined up at QB on the Goaline who is 250LBs with vision like a RB and heart like Wayne Chrebet

  22. By wayne on Aug 4, 2012 | Reply

    danny, as it is with most people, if they haven’t seen it before, it can’t be done………LIONHEART’S sheer desire is going to make him a winning QB in this league……..Sadly to say, it will most likely happen somewhere else……And then as they normally do, typical Jets fundamentalists will start moaning about how mgt made boneheaded decision to let him go……..The deck of cards that is this present Jets regime could fold any minute. If that happens, he’ll be going with them……Typical HUMONS, if it hasn’t happened before, it can’t be done……You can’t teach what he’s got on the inside.

  23. By GaryC on Aug 4, 2012 | Reply

    that’s right jetfantom, slauson to right tackle,and just because you get younger that doesn’t mean where rebuilding,remember,the jets went with your idea and brought in the brontosauras in Plastico and the stegasauras in Mason,didn’t work.As for Sanchez,I still will be optimistic until further notice.you keep looking at all those wonderful Newton stats.

  24. By ron alexander on Aug 4, 2012 | Reply

    S.CJoe,I agree T.T needs to throw all he can during practice and the pre-season too!My concern is going by his trac record,if he is chuck’n for us during the regular season,things will more than likely have gone awry,and 64 will be proven correct.This will have become a rebuilding year and we will stink.GARYC is right about Hunter, guys dont miracously improve at 31.I have seen a few on this site predict he will be better this year? Based on what? Zone blocking is the easiest way to get the job done and he bombed at it last year.man blocking is much more difficult.

  25. By ron alexander on Aug 4, 2012 | Reply

    Guys, i dont know about all of you but i am curious to see how all this “ground & pound” is supposed to work out?TOM64 has pointed this out before, we have no blocking T.E,a turnstile at R.T,a guy who cant even stay in his stance till the ball is snapped(Ducasse)let alone block anybody?A killer fullback who wiffs on most blocks because he tries to de-clete them rather than just block them?Oh,and our r.b hasn’t been the same since the Colts broke his rib in 2010?.So can somebody out there please explain to me how we are gonna run the ball down peoples throats? Just curious?

  26. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 4, 2012 | Reply

    danny, other than a PIT team missing 5 starters going into the game and starting a QB who shoulda been out for the yr, every good team and some bad (KC) stopped Tebow and DEN. And even some of the teams they beat stopped them in terms of pts scored, like a team called the Jets whose D was pilloried for giving up 10 pts. (That team’s QB gave up the other 7 on a pick-6.) I’d also keep in mind that we were one of the top red zone teams last yr and that our problem wasn’t scoring there but getting there, as proven by the endless 1st qtrs and halves in which we scored nothing. This is why I agree with those who say getting Tebow was a PR move, because it doesn’t in any way address our bigger needs unless he becomes a complete QB and starts.

  27. By danny on Aug 4, 2012 | Reply

    We didn’t stop TT we contained him. Did u forget he beat us for winning TD and heart breaking loss ? Last season we were a good red zone team and I think Burres with his size was a big reason for that. He didn;t do much else but when we got in the Red Zone Burres was a beast. TT was def a PR move but he is also a weapon so I believe he can def help us win games. I think he will shock a lot of pp this yr and as will MS

  28. By danny on Aug 4, 2012 | Reply

    Ron a healthy O line, a improved MS, and Stephen Hill will help us pound the football. Tony Sparano should help too and mixing in our backs all will help us improve our running game. I’m suprised you got so negative with ur last post because you were even talking about Stephen hill scaring defensive coaches and keeping them from bring everyone in the box like all last season. We can def pound the football this yr and open up the playaction which MS excels in. Shotty was cluesless and didn’t help in the running or passing game. Each yr is a new season so just because last yr was so bad don’t mean this yr will be the same. I feel a big yr coming and a lot of ppl will be suprised how good our team really is

  29. By scjoe on Aug 4, 2012 | Reply

    Ron A, I agree about the blocking schemes, and in answer to your question as to how are we going to run the ball down ANYONE’S throat this year, the answer is we will not. Not with this core of RBs, this current RT, the lack of a prototypical blocking TE and the lack of quality depth along the O line which takes a severe beating running a “ground and pound” scheme. Then again, I have been mentioning this over and over and over again. But lets see where it all leads to, maybe we will all be in for a pleasant surprise.

  30. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 4, 2012 | Reply

    I would never have INITIATED getting Plax and Mason, GaryC, as you well know. But J-Co wanted to start and Edwards asked for way too much and then got mixed up in a bar fight, so whaddya gonna do? Go with Holmes, Kerley, and Turner only? And I was high on Kerley from the moment we drafted him and still am, despite Rex’s pointless criticizing of him now (as if Rex has ever been any whiz at learning even his own O). wayne, what I’ve never seen is Tebow throwing consistently well so no, until he comes close to doing that, I’m not that optimistic. But we’d have nothing to lose by starting him if Sanchez bombs out during the first 6 or 7 games — except then it would OFFICIALLY be a rebuilding yr and GaryC would go ballistic.

  31. By scjoe on Aug 4, 2012 | Reply

    Danny, how will Stephen Hill help the “ground and pound?” Just by blocking down field? Where is it written Mark Sanchez is new and improved? And finally, how are we so sure Sparano, as the new OC will turn the run game around from last season with the exact same personnel? After all, he does not have a healthy Brown, Williams and Fasano at his disposal as he did in Miami.

  32. By danny on Aug 5, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe what I mean by Stephen Hill helping the running game is he is 6’5 and runs a 4.3 40 yd dash. He is a deep threat and has big play abiltiy, Last season we didn;t have that with Plax he was slow so no one was scared of us throwing downfield. When we had Braylon he made big plays downfield and MS was comfortable throwing to him. When you have that threat downfield then teams can’t bring 8 in the box or they will get torched down the field, No way can you leave this big fast rookie one on one or all MS gotta do is get the snap and throw it up for grabs. 9 times out of 10 Hill will go up and get it in single coverage. , Last yr with no deep threat every team played 8 in the box ready to stop the run and Shottys 3yd outs and ins

  33. By danny on Aug 5, 2012 | Reply

    Also Scjoe of course nothing in life is a guarantee except death and taxes so you never know what will happen but rite now going into the season we are in better shape then last season and Sparano spent 1 yr as OC in Dallas and his O was ranked around 4th in total offense. He is a Bill Parcels guy and as I have said plenty of times before just because he wasn’t succesful as a head coach does not mean he wont be succesful as a OC. There are lots of coaches who are not cut out for HC but are great OC’s. We have a healthy O line, a deep threat, a new OC and also some new fresh RB’s replacing a old LT. Bilol Powel been impressing in camp and that kid has power and speed so we don’t have the exact same personel from last yr Scjoe.

  34. By danny on Aug 5, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe our O line was banged up last season and Brick had a off yr. Mangold, Moore, and Slauson were all hurt. I don;t get how ppl can dismiss that our O line was banged up all yr and that plays a HUGE roll in why our running game suffered along with our passing game, Everything on offense starts up front. If our O line stays healthy we will no doubt no matter what improve running the football. I’m not sold on Greene but he has showed he is capabe so we just need a young guy to step up. Bilol Powel was very explosive in college so if he keeps improving like Rex keeps saying he can be that other RB we need to mix in with Greene. We also can bring in a extra lineman to run block at TE as Rex has said numerous times and done in the past

  35. By wayne on Aug 5, 2012 | Reply

    It’s early in camp and the starting QB looks good….But I wouldn’t get too excited about that….Looking at this thing without the rose coloring, it could get ugly. I’m gonna say it,’ Mark Sanchez’ is supposed to look better than Tebow. He’s played with these guys before, he’s a more finished product as a QB….But with or without Sparano, this whole thing still looks like 3yds and a cloud of dust. Cro might be right. And if he is there’s trouble ahead….If O stalls, that is going to mean Tebow time. I can see Jets having both QBs on the field for long stretches…By the way, when did Sparano become the holy grail of OCs? Isn’t this the same guy that ran the vaunted MIA O? Couple a new guys got to shine to turn this around.

  36. By since shea on Aug 5, 2012 | Reply

    If Belechick got Tebow for trick stuff, he would continue to be crowned as the offensive genius. Dont buy into the constant and stupid non stop espn coverage of the Tebow-Sanchez wars. The press fodder and circus it is causing is not our biggest problem! Do we have a real O Line with Ducasse and Hunter? Where is Coples? What kind of talent are the draft people coming up with? Ducasse was a second. Gholston and Coples were top picks. The O Line opens running lanes and protects our passers. I have said it before. Not even pretty boy Brady would have been effective behind our O Line getting a beating every week like Sanchez did last year.

  37. By scjoe on Aug 5, 2012 | Reply

    Danny, you make valid points in some area’s. However, no defense is going to automatically change what they do because Stephen Hill is 6’5 and runs a sub 4.4, not until there is some body of work there, not until there is some form of success between Sanchez and him, and lets not forget, like it or not, Mark Sanchez is not exactly the most accurate of QBs in his down field passing. Yes, the O line was a little banged up last season, but so was the D line, so was most other teams O lines, D lines, WRs RBs etc. etc. Injury is a part of the game, it can not, and should not be used as an excuse for any one individual player on any one team. But here’s the thing……

  38. By scjoe on Aug 5, 2012 | Reply

    Danny, I, along with many others are not sold on the fact that a “ground and pound” scheme is the right way to go in today’s NFL. Will a ground and pound (especially with our caliber of RBs) keep up with the scoring machine that is the NE Patriots? After all, to advance deep in to the playoff’s you need to establish a home field advantage at some point, and to do that you have to beat the Pats and win your division. I just don’t see that happening with a run first scheme. Do you?

  39. By danny on Aug 5, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe I agree there is no body of work but all we can do is hope for this to happen. The Big thing is there is a good chance it can happen and I watched this kid Hill in college he is a great talent. Yes other teams were dinged up but we had 3 lineman hurt and that played a huge role in our running game. We may have injuries this yr too but having 3 O lineman dinged up is a killer and if it happens again we have no chance. I don’t think were gonna just be a ground and pound I just think Rex wants to be able to run the football and if we can it will open up MS in the playaction game, That is Sanchez strength cause he is not a pure pocket passer, He throws best in playaction and on the run. Shotty couldnt adjust to his players talents

  40. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 5, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with both you, scjoe, and you, danny. Any true “ground and pound” O is clearly the wrong way to go, as should be obvious when we’re the only NFL team that’ll even utter the phrase. And Sparano’s ground and pound will be nothing like what Rex is always going on about, it’ll involve as much vertical passing as our QBs and receivers can handle. I will say, though, danny, that it’s not gonna be Schotty’s fault if Sanchez never becomes a better pocket passer, because that’s how the game is played — and won — these days.

  41. By scjoe on Aug 5, 2012 | Reply

    Danny, I would agree that Hill “could be” a pro bowl caliber talent, based solely on his size and speed. BUT, that talent is largely untapped. This kid had less hen 50 receptions in his entire college career. If there was ever a need for a veteran WR to play alongside SH, it is now. But that is another story for another time. Back to the ground and pound. The thing is, I am not so sure that even if the G&P works out even better then they expect, that it will get this team to the next level. That it would be enough to overtake NE with THAT offense and a defense that “on paper” seems much improved. But I would agree with your opening comment, “we can hope”

  42. By danny on Aug 6, 2012 | Reply

    Well I think Tom 64 said it perfect. Yes we wanna run the ball but Sparano will not be like Rex says and pound it down ur throat non stop. He already talked about chunk plays and I’m sure Tony seen this Big Monster in Hill and was in Tanny’s ear because this kid has all the makeup to be the answer. Nothing is a lock so he may or may not be but if he does become a stud WOW it will open up our offense BIG time. Tom64 I just feel Shotty didn’t help by putting MS in a better position to succeed. I think thru all the yrs that was Shottys problem he just had his offense and ran with it. Sparano is a Parcells guy and the best thing with Bill was he adjusted his football team to the talent he had.

  43. By ron alexander on Aug 7, 2012 | Reply

    Danny, sorry if I sounded like our old buddy Joe(who has been cospicously absent from this site lately?)I dont want to sound negative,but the T.E posisition is crucial in todays running game. Running the football is all about setting the edge and of course its a numbers game.If we can get more blockers in a given area than the opponents have defenders we can run the football.However, if the T.E cant make the block it all goes for naught.Also, depending on Vlad Ducasse is scarry! Not only is he a matching turnstile to Hunter, he cant even stay on sides?And if you put a O.lineman as a T.E you are telling the defence you intend to run the ball? i for one an hopeing for a more current style on offence.

  44. By danny on Aug 7, 2012 | Reply

    You did sound like Joe a lil Ron hahaha and honestly it’s been so nice not hearing how awful our draft picks been compared to the steelers and how we know nothing because Joe has a buddy who was the greatest NFL coach of all time. This is besides the so called league Joe played in with all NFL players I guess when they weren’t playing college or NFL ball hahahaha. So what I’m saying is it’s so nice we can all talk and share our opinions without being told were clueless and JOE KNOWS BEST hahaha

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