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QBs Give Positive Grades for Cortland Phase of Camp

Posted by Randy Lange on August 16, 2012 – 12:32 pm

The quarterbacks held court one last time at Cortland after this morning’s final practice of the Central New York phase of Jets training camp. And both Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow are feeling good about where they and the offense is and is heading.

“Some days obviously are better than others, but overall this was probably my most consistent camp,” said Sanchez. “The least amount of turnovers by far, I’m sure. I thought the running game looked good, I felt comfortable with my checks, I felt comfortable throwing the ball down the field, I thought my accuracy was there. I thought the receivers made great plays and I thought Dustin [Keller] really stands out to me as having a great camp.

“Now it’s a matter of getting guys healthy and moving on, but overall I think we did well.”

Sanchez got to weigh in publicly for the first time on LB Bart Scott’s assertion Wednesday that No. 6 is ready to “take the next step to being one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the league.”

“Thanks, Bart,” he said with a laugh, but he didn’t shy away from the pressure such an expectation brings.

“That’s nothing new around here. Each year as a quarterback and an organization, you’ve got to get better and learn from your mistakes,” he said. “It’s my job to deliver it, to be the triggerman this team needs, and I’m ready to do that. I’m excited about our team and our potential.”

Tebow expressed similar feelings about the offense in general and his progress in all his many roles in particular.

“I feel good as an offense and individually I feel good,” he said. “We have a long ways to go, I have a long ways to go. … I feel it’s going pretty well.”

No. 15 was asked about his adaptation to the many hats the Jets are providing for him to wear this season.

“Besides the personal protector stuff, the rest has always been pretty natural and easy, and it’s stuff I’ve done the last, gosh, probably 10 or 12 years. That really wasn’t an adjustment,” he said. “Some of the personal protector stuff was. I never ran down on special teams in my life, so that was a first. But it really didn’t take too much of an adjustment.”

Head coach Rex Ryan said he didn’t have the exact percentage but said that Tebow’s completion percentage has risen as his passing mechanics have improved under the tutelage of coordinator Tony Sparano and QBs coach Matt Cavanaugh.

“It was in the 60s for sure. I don’t know if it was 65 [percent] but it was close, in team drills and 7-on-7s,” Ryan said. “I think Tim’s doing well.”

Another Cover QB

Four years after one new Jets quarterback got the nickname of GQ for his predraft photo shoot in 2009, Tebow responded for the first time to questions about his just released GQ cover turn

“Probably most of y’all knew I was on there before I knew. It was kind of a shocker for me,” he said, adding about the photo spread, “That was something I did maybe six years ago in college. Honestly, the first time I heard it was when we were in the cafeteria and it was on ESPN. That’s when I found out.”

Gator on the NFL Radar

The Jets had no comment on their interest in Jeff Demps, the Olympic silver-medalist and former Florida star who rushed for 2,470 yards and 23 touchdowns in his college career, after reports said they were one of a number of teams showing interest in him after he announced that he wants to play in the NFL this season.

“You know what? I really don’t want to talk about him,” Ryan said at his late-morning newser. “Mike Tannenbaum’s on top of any available players.”

Tebow, who was Demps’ UF quarterback said he wasn’t starting a Demps-to-the-Jets lobby but still gave a glowing reference.

“Jeff is a great guy and a great player. He’s someone I was proud to play with in college,” Tebow said. “He did a great job for us, and I feel wherever he goes, he’ll work hard at it and do a good job for that team.”

Cort(land)’s in Recess

The QBs and the head coach were among the Jets who lauded their third training camp in four years in the Central New York countryside.

“Overall, I have a lot of positive feelings about camp,” Sanchez said. “We’re really excited to break camp and get home and get back to our facility, but we can’t thank SUNY Cortland enough. The people around town have been great and the fans coming out to practice, it’s exactly what we needed. Then on the field, the football side of it, I think it was the best camp I’ve been a part of.”

“It was a lot of fun being here,” Tebow said. “The fans were wonderful. I know they came from all over and from here. We really appreciate their support.”

“It’s terrific here. The university as always was amazing,” Ryan said. “Everything went off without a hitch. The weather, except for one day, was tremendous. The fields, the cafeteria, everything — Cortland blew me away. It’s a great place to have training camp. We’ll see if our string continues.”

That trend Ryan referred to, of course, is that in two years of Cortland camp, the Jets went deep into the playoffs. Last year, with camp in North Jersey, well, we know what happened. It’s not a large sample to draw any predictions off of, but it certainly hasn’t hurt the Jets taking their summer show on the road.

Practice Notes

A new WR addition to the walking wounded is rookie WR Jordan White. “He had some knee swelling,” Ryan said. “It remains to be seen if he plays” against the Giants on Saturday night. Among the other injured players, the coach said today that S Eric Smith (shoulder/knee), WR Santonio Holmes (rib), WR Jeremy Kerley (hamstring). Yesterday he said he didn’t believe WR Chaz Schilens (ankle) will play. NT Sione Po‘uha also is out and LB Ricky Sapp has also been sidelined. But Ryan feels RT Wayne Hunter (back) will play.

Expect most starters to play the first half vs. the Giants. Two exceptions, Ryan said, might be RG Brandon Moore and S LaRon Landry, who might come out early in the second quarter, not for any new injury situations. “Sometimes with some veteran players, you just want to back those guys down a little bit. Just being smart.”

Today’s practice was shorter, with the players in shoulder pads and shorts. Tonight is the team’s “rookie show.” Friday morning the Jets’ buses and cars roll down I-81 and back home.

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226 Responses to “QBs Give Positive Grades for Cortland Phase of Camp”

  1. By Karan on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t understand one thing. It’s like everyday I hear Sparano giving an ‘earful’ to the QBs for not getting rid of the ball faster. I’m all for discipline and having the guys play at a better and faster pace, and I know our QBs don’t get rid of the ball as fast as they should; but instead of constantly blaming the QBs, how about you get some better pass protection?? Our QBs do need to release the ball a little quicker, no doubt, but at the same time, they really do NEED better pass protection. Unfortunetly, this unit does not have it. I wish our coaches would realize this, we do have good players on the O-line, but it is simply not enough.

  2. By Karan on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve always liked Jeff Demps in Florida, the guy is quick and small, but I don’t know if we really need him. We have enough running backs for now, don’t you guys think? Don’t forget, Tebow might be listed as a QB, but he will fall in that HB position on many occasions.

  3. By IRA on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    I look at camp and think some or the better positives were Baker, Ellis, Powell, Maybin, Lankster, Bush, Allen and Howard. And i will even give Ducasse a plus he is better than last year for sure. Negatives the D was way ahead of the offense hands down. Folk and Brown are so even but i would give Folk a slight lead right now. Too bad Kerley missed all of camp they really need him to step up this year.
    GO JETS!!!!

  4. By Tom Spicer on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    Randy, Tell Mark unlike alot of Jet fans I have his back. But a good percentage of Jet fans want his head on a platter. He will not have the 6 years that Eli had to get it together. Jet fans what a elite QB NOW! So he needs to produce this year or they do not want him back.

  5. By Bennett on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    How do you play Sanchez? Pressure him out of the pocket chances are he will overreact, panic and throw a pic, get sacked or fumble. Don”t give him the time in the pocket to set, plant and evaluate or he can and will make plays

    How do you play Tebow? Play the run it doesn.t matter if he has that little extra time in the pocket he can’t throw anyway and will probably miss even if the reciever gets wide open. His instinct is to run early be ready FOR THAT and pounce on him or he will burn you before you no it

  6. By Bennett on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    Brady reads the field so fast has such a quick release, such a deadly accurate passer that you have to have an excellant pass rush just to even bother him. Peyton perfect pocket passer knows just when to move and is so quick to plant himserlf again, knows exactley the platy he wants the perfect football mind. Brees does it all will kill you if you give him time in the pocket will kill you on the move the complete package. Rodgers probably the best as of now, has it all excellant on his feet or planted tremendous vision and instinct and deadly accurate.These guys and a few others are a pleaure to watch, head and shoulders above the rest of the pack

  7. By scjoe on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    I can’t remember a camp where the players accumulated the amount of injuries like they have this year. Particularly at any one position (WR) If you had to choose one position that was already full of question marks, and where getting the required amount of reps became really important, it would have to be the WR position Not good! Hopefully, it is more about media coverage then serious injury or anything else.

  8. By wayne on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    Who called him GQ before me? Name me the publication and the writer…..THIEF!!!!!!! .Anybody know what number jersey Cortland, NY will be wearing and whether he knows anything about pass blocking?

  9. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    Rex is cracking at the seams, like the junior college coach that he is. There are more and more of these “I’m on it”, “I don’t really want to talk about him” remarks and less and less of anything resembling the vision of a HC, much less of a great one. Wake me up when he’s gone.

  10. By SCfromNY on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    I’m glad everyone thinks the offense will be fine. I am concerned. Nothing in camp makes me believe that progress running and passing the ball has been accomplished and we need to be a lot better this year. Since ESPN spends so much time with the Jets perhaps Chris Carter & Jerry Rice could come out of retirement to help our WRs. The Giant can be seen drooling.

  11. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    I hope to God that our O line looks better ,… or it is over .

  12. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    I hope the Giants don’t embarrass us too bad ….

  13. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    IRA , Don’t light a candle for Ducasse , it’s not going to happen . The defense looks good / great …But they’re going to have to play double ,.. if we have no O -line …I don’t think i am exagerating our troubles

  14. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    We have absolutely 0 chance of doing anything against The Giants

  15. By Jake98660 on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, I’ll echo your statement from earlier. There are still fans that believe in Sanchez and I am one of them. Your also right in the fact that alot of the fans want Mark gone. I don’t think thats fare, I think alot of what happened last year is not his fault or there were things that the front office have or haven’t done to keep him from progressing. This year is a make or break because the fans won’t take another disaster especially with all the Tebow fans that have unfortunatly migrated from denver following us not. 8-8 is one thing if the team plays together and fights hard week in and week out, but it’s the total locker room dibacle that we can’t have again. I’

  16. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    Every team in the NFL is going to throw every blitz they have at us , get ready

  17. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer Sanchez is a good QB ,.. if he has some protection . Unfortunately , he is going to be running for his life , and that will make everything look bad , real bad …

  18. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    I know some won’t like my opinion and that’s fine, Spicer give Sanchez 6 years or 12 years, no give us a break, it’s not going to happen , HE HAS NO FOOTWORK or coordination from his ears to his legs some have it some don’t,He don’t< are you watching him work .. I remember saying some won't , me saying drafting this kid for what we paid was ridiculous, He was at the time an under graduate only starting 16 games in collegiate career, not to mention having and being surrounded by the top blue chipp players in the country, Why do you think so many USC QB.s fail in the NFL. Do the math .Let me also add Mr Spicer , Eli is 6-5. 6-6 cannon for an arm, the bloodline, very good college career,there is no comparison

  19. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    CONT. Ira, I respect your opinions, sorry Bud I can’t on Vlad ,until now he’s been non existent, Karen ,I like Jeff Demps we need a good scat back PR/KR type to kick start our offense…

  20. By wayne on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    Interesting how the Giants manage to retool at the WR position so seamlessly and add EFFECTIVE TALENT at the position with such ease……………….Spicer, STOP IT!!! So now you only want 6 years for GQ? I honestly believe that if this thing blows up, he’s the one most likely to survive it….Rex and T have been awful for what was to be their franchise QB…….The evidence damning against Mike T as far as to his management of this roster…THEY CAN’T AFFORD FREE AGENTS NO ONE ELSE WANT………Guys are waiting until they have no other options before deciding to join the NYJs

  21. By IRA on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    You know what there is so much negativity here its hard to read. Are there questions marks about this team? Of course but please lets all just take a deep breath and see how we stand after the first 8 games. I say they are either 4-4 or maybe they catch a break or two and get to 5-3. Then we will take it from there. Please lets give these guys a chance to get their act together and play some games before some of you hang them.
    GO JETS!!!!

  22. By Teh Jungleman on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    Huh, WR’s dropping like flies, i can’t help but feel like there’s something wrong with the conditioning or pace of the training.

  23. By cgb on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    It’s just like the jets to be looking for another speedy wideout with no nfl experience this late in camp. they have enough wide-outs in camp that should be given the opportunity to make an impact. Some of these injured players already have valuable time with mark ,thats good. now lets see what these other wideouts already on the roster can do.We may find another WR that can make the team and fill in during the season when we need him. It seems every year the jets have expectations for a few ,and the rest are just tackling dummies, with no real chance to make the team. sometimes you really have to take a player work and cultivate that player and mold him into someone who can gain valuable reps for your team in game time play

  24. By maryk on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    i have great concerns about our offense this year. i think the defense will develop into something special by playoff time but i am not sure about our playmakers on offense. too many wr missing too much time will definitely hurt timing routes early in the season, can joe mcknight work in as a wideout? i dont like cro in this position, it is one thing catching the ball and another taking a hit from an opposing db or lb plus i’d hate to lose him from defense.espn know-it-alls have us going 8-8–is 12-4 out of the question??am i crazy to consider that??how about 11-5??

  25. By cgb on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    spicer , look into this stat; how many current players once on the jets roster are now starting or playing a significant role on other teams?My guess the jets are close to the top of this list.

  26. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    Back on Sanchez , Looking up recent and not so recent QB stats. Class of Sanchez to date . usual suspects like Flacco, Ryan, Newton, Freemen, Bradford Packers QB, Lions QB, Texans QB and now Dalton, all out played read better on the paper and field then Sanchez.. I like the Kid .. Just saying

  27. By FLPete on Aug 16, 2012 | Reply

    Guys there is a LEGIT reason for all the injuries with this WR core and that Sanja Lal… He is making his mark by working the heck out of these receivers during the Position drills which will help bring out the best in them all… We have Some great pieces at the the WR position and they will be better for this when the season begins… Stay tuned for some great JETS Football this season…

  28. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    “If (you) start pouting, put your head down in practice, it’s going to happen in MetLife Stadium or somewhere on the road,” said Sanchez. “Number one I think his whole demeanor is all about, well, we’ll get you,” said Ryan. “We might have had a bad play here but we’re going to come back and find a way to get you.” “Now when he makes a mistake, Sanchez said, he looks away, gathers himself, and then gets right back at it,” the Daily News article concludes. Can someone tell me why it took 4 YRS for the Jets to work with MS on this? I had this part mastered in 10th grade! (Maybe it’s a Queens swagger thing…)

  29. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Sparano can’t get the Jets better OL guys, Karan, only Mr T can do that, and he hasn’t. And we don’t need Tebow either, as has already become clear by the occasional talk in the press of Mc overtaking him at #2. Eli won a SB in his 4th yr, Spicer, a few Jet fans might want “Mark” back if he even came close to doing that. Nice seminar on pocket passers, Bennett. I’ll admit you need better pass protection than we’ve given MS at times for him to fully blossom. Problem is, like scjoe has made so clear, MS is not that steady in the pocket, walks into sacks, doesn’t see the field well, and overthrows and underthrows even with the best protection at times. 2012 — or the first half of it — is surely it for him in Green and White, thankfully.

  30. By GaryC on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    the jets definitely have the receivers that can get down the field,stop being so conservative with the checkdowns and let Sanchez air it out and you might have some long gainers,it is like playing not to lose which is what Rex is all about,you see eli just fling the ball down the field and hope Nicks and Cruz makes a great catch.You need to do that just to open up the defense occasionally.

  31. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, what you call negativity many of us call realism. 4-4 through the first 8 is possible but so is 2-6, which might send Rex out the door and Tebow off the bench. MJV, great to have another voice on the site again that sees the Sanchez situation clearly and GaryC, it’s Sanchez who’s checkdown-crazy, Rex and Schotty got him into that after 5-pick games. Actually, Ira, I’ll revise that: I’m more positive than you because you just wanna keep making excuses for terrible acquisitions and players and saying “Go Jets!” and leaving it at that. I wanna see this FRANCHISE get serious about winning and sweep out everything that isn’t working, which is most everything. Owner Curtis Martin can’t arrive too soon for me.

  32. By IRA on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    I am not saying Vlad is going to the Pro Bowl. But in my opinion he has improved maybe enough to make the team and help as a backup if needed. Lets just wait and see how he plays tomorrow night when he comes in for Moore. That should be a good test. If he passes well good if not then its time to cut bait.

  33. By steven on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    I’m disappointed we haven’t heard anything about Hayden Smith. I think with his size and speed and toughness he is a Gronk just waiting to happen. At 6’7 running a 4.7 forty just throw him the dang ball and the offense will move.

  34. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Wayne and cgb Both points , spot on, Wayne let me add if I might.. Giants not only retool Receivers how good are they at retooling their D-Line they do it year in and year out.. I bet there are 10 of us here who can name teams who’ve won a SB or 2 maybe 3, retooled rebuilt call it what you may, and are still better or ahead of us on paper and production .. We are one of the top markets in the NFL .. I just can’t seem to wrap my head around it. and reason for my negativity Time 2 retool Mike -T and company

  35. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Cont, yes I understand we accomplished back to back AFC Championship games problem is how we got there . needed help luck you name it , I believe 3 reasons we lost both, First, we weren’t good enough or talented enough, second , teams we played knew it and were, last but not least, Novelty of Rex, Revis island, Taylor. LT nonsense has worn off and reality has set in …So let me end in saying, until we build the old fashioned way, through the Draft hard work smart trades like NE, Steelers, and Giants, same old jets

  36. By scjoe on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, we all have to be open minded. We comment on what we see. You can’t mistake reality for negativity. Besides, what is written here on Randy’s blog will never effect what happens on the field on Sunday’s. One way or the other.

  37. By Tom Spicer on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Jet Vet, You make some good points but Freeman & Bradford were bad last year. In Freemans case really bad.

  38. By Tom Spicer on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, Yes the Giants won the Super Bowl in Eli’s 4th year. But Eli was worse than Mark until his 6th year in the league. Look at his stats he was worse than Mark in everything. Also just like Mark they said he wasnt vocal, didnt stand in the pocket strong & had that aw shucks face on when he threw a pick. This is a FACT!

  39. By Tom Spicer on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    What I like about Mark this year is he is in the best shape of his life & you can physically see a difference in him when you llok at him. Also he just seems different this year from the way he is acting to the things he is saying. Like today he said he is the leader of this team & that it is his huddle. In years past you would never hear anything like this from him. Honestly it seems like he is not a kid anymore.

  40. By Tom Spicer on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    My prediction for Mark this year is as follows. 1 He will be ranked in the top 12 of QB’S in the NFL. 2 He will have a 10 point jump in his rating from 78 to 88. 3 His completion % will go from 56.7% to 60%. 4 He will throw for 3,700 yards. 5 He will have 30 or more total TDS 6 He will have 15 or less total turnovers. This depends on 2 things 1 can Hill be a legit #2 WR in his rookie year. Like I have said before I am high on Hill I just dont know coming from the O that he came from can he do it as a rookie. (More importantly) 2 Can Wayne Hunter not be the worst starting right tackle in the NFL like he was last year

  41. By Tom Spicer on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    My prediction for the Jets is as follows. Week 1 Home win vs Bills 1 & 0, Week 2 road loss to the Steelers 1 & 1, Week 3 road win at Miami 2 & 1, Week 4 Home loss to the 49ers 2 & 2, Week 5 home win vs the Texans 3 & 2, Week 6 home win vs the Colts 4 & 2, Week 7 loss at the Pats 4 & 3, Week 8 home win vs Miami 5 & 3, Week 9 Bye, Week 10 road win at Seahawks 6 & 3, Week 11 road win at Rams 7 & 3, Week 12 home win vs the Pats 8 & 3, Week 13 home win vs the Cards 9 & 3, Week 14 road win at the Jags 10 & 3, Week 15 road loss to the Titans 10 & 4, Week 16 home win vs the Chargers 11 & 4, Week 17 road loss to the Bills 11 & 5. WILD CARD!

  42. By Karan on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Regardless of whats been said about Jeremy Kerley and the kind of camp he’s had and ending up in ‘Rexs doghouse’, I really believe he will have a good season. He was definetly one of my favorite picks from last years draft. If the Jets use him properly, he will do really good things for us in the slot. I know its asking for a lot, but I hope Stephen Hill can became a major threat for us his first season. I hope he’s that vertical threat that Edwards was.

  43. By Karan on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    I like our three tight ends. My only concern is their blocking might not match up as well as it would for a pure blocking tight end, but these guys can sure catch the ball. We all know how good Dustin is, but I’ve seen the Jets line up Cumberland as a wideout at times, this kid can do damage if healthy and used the right way. Josh Baker is versatile and on his way as well, he looks like a promising no. 3 tight end.

  44. By Karan on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Honestly, by now, my only concern is this offensive line. Fix it and I’ll be a happy camper. No more complaining from me if that happens.

  45. By Tom Spicer on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    By the way what about taking a look at Lee Evans he used to torch us on a regular basis. He was cut by the Jags a few days ago. It says Justin Blackmon who they took 7th in the draft, Laurent Robinson who was there big free agent signing from the Cowboys & Mike Thomas are there 1, 2 & 3. So they let him go I say bring him in for a look it cant hurt!

  46. By Karan on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    By fix it what i really mean is make it much better, I can’t say fix it because our starters with the exception of the RT are great. We need more depth, GOOD depth at that, not just depth.

  47. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, Before I get to my point on yours . let me say> I really hope and pray Sanchez gets us to the promise land. Really I do… OK now my point WE didn’t draft him to be in the top 12 ???????????????? we didn’t draft him in hopes of working out in his 6th or 7th year .Spicer believe every QB I mentioned was and are better.Next problem . In a world of 6-5 6-6 Big Strong armed QBs ..we the Jets pay a kings ransom not to mention all our prime picks for a 6-2r under experience QB , sorry my friend not buying what you’re selling

  48. By Jet Blue on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fan Tom 64: Love your posts. Insightful honesty and reality always have a place on this site.
    Gotta disagree with you Spicer on Sanchez becomming a real QB, and your predictions for the season. 11-5 is a stretch for a team that did nothing to better themselves in the off-season while the teams they will play all have. During the Rex/Sanchez era, when have you seen this team come to play and dominate another team? They beat up on buffalo one time, but that was more of the Bills having a bad day. Sanchez aside, the Jets still have one major flaw – they can’t run the ball near the goal line. Good teams bring their big boys in and say “try to stop us”. I’m thinking 8-8, but I’ll be happy if your right about Sanchez, and 11 wins.

  49. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Cont. we could have kept our picks, added a QB more qualified in later rounds. with the picks we gave away could have gotten a quality pass rusher, Safety, OL, or RB, Maybe we would still be having this QB discussion, only difference it wouldn’t be about a QB we gave so much for …. Point being in my opinion we would be a lot further along..

  50. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    I am sorry for the negativity , people . It is not healthy. I think it’s just all the years adding up to now ..I am just very worried about our O line , if we can’t block we are dust …

  51. By BillsJets on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Just saw that the Bengals released Jordan Shipley, I think he’s worth giving him a shot. For how good the Jets receivers are, Jordan may be that blessing in disguise. He looks like the type of receiver that will give it his all. Give him a shot Jets Coaching Staff.

  52. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    ….It hurts so bad being a Jet fan .

  53. By scjoe on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, I really have to admire your optimism. But what do you see, as far as overall improvement, at this point in time to suggest the Jets win 11 games this season? Are you basing all of this on the “potential” of players like Coples, Hill, Davis, Landry (playing a full season) Bell, etc? Because if you look around the rest of the roster I just don’t see enough overall improvement from last season to even think about winning 11 games

  54. By scjoe on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, as for the Sanchez predictions? With this current group of lineman? With this current group of WRs? All I will say is I sure hope you are right.

  55. By Jimmer on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, the reason the qb’s need to get rid of the ball faster isn’t our pass russ rush. It’s the lack of an ol.
    Bennet, MS stats are better on roll outs than in the pocket. There goes ur theory. and Brady throws the dinkadunk awesome, your right. They got rid of randy moss cause they prefer the dinkadunk. Wanna guess why he gets rid of it so fast,,,,,
    SCfromNY, I’m more concerned about the O than I’ve been since Rex Got here. Our OL was a stink bomb, and we left it 100% intact.
    Hey john40, it’s gonna be pretty funny when we start throwing screens again, and those blitzes look like our ol is awesome. But I’ll give you this, the giants DL will probably make everything look bad till TT exploits the giants LB’s.

  56. By Jimmer on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    MikeJetVet, how about you put something on that assessment of MS? Say, If Mark does get a probowl nod, even as an auq, you wear a pink tutu to the final home game?
    Wayne, if the Jints are so great, why are so many on the injury list due to cheap bedding?
    Ira, I agree, if you hate everything we do, go cheer on philly or something.
    cgb, really? Every NFL team has contacted the guy, that leaves you alone not wanting him.
    64′Tom, we do need TT, who else can take the beating our QB is going to take? I love my team, but I don’t think MS, GM and Simms combined will survive the beating they’re about to take. This week may give you more insight against a team with superior pass rushers.

  57. By johnski on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    If Sanchez does not succeed we have a really big problem. Our QB situation is not looking good and it’s still being purposely done in an effort to not give Sanchez any competition. It’s pretty obvious; and our next 5 years may be pretty dismal as a result. I cannot believe an experienced NFL gm (in M. Tannenbaum) has put together Tebow and McElroy as our team’s backup plan for Sanchez. I cannot believe that Tannenbaum has not seriously looked to fill Wayne Hunter’s spot. I was disgusted watching Tebow try to throw a football against the Bengals. I am disgusted when even thinking about McElroy trying to throw a football downfield. Tannenbaum and his merry-go-round thinking that ultimately solves nothing is painfull. Go MS, please.

  58. By Jimmer on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Hayden Smith, IMO, this guy is a starter in the wildcat/rugby format we’re gonna throw at the NFL.
    MJV, Cruz was a total fluke. If he was not on the Giants, they do not even make the PA.
    Spicer, you are brave with those stats, but I pray you’re right.

  59. By Jimmer on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    However this team turns out, I’m wearing my brank spanky new Mangold Jersey every week. If you think you see him, beware, it might be me. We’re about the same size, same hair, but I got him on the greys!

  60. By Jimmer on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Johnski, I disagree. Simms has the bloodline. Pop won 2 SB’s. His Brother was looking good till a freak accident??? I want someone from TB to explain what happened here? He surely can pass the ball.
    McElroy, are you overlooking this kid? Denver wanted him bad in the TT trade. It’s not just us die hard NYJ fans that see this kids talent.

  61. By Jimmer on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    My bad, I just remembered, he only won 1, he was on IR for the 2nd 1.

  62. By Bennett on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    In his first 3 yrs was Eli ever ranked 30th as QB;;;Well ? WAS HE?….

    In his first 3 yrs was Eli ranked #2 in turnovers OUT OF ALL PLAYERS IN THE NFL… I MEAN EVERYONE …WELLl ? WAS HE ?. HUHHHH ? I DIDN’T HEAR YOU

    In his first 3 yrs did Eli ever have 11 turnovers in 3 games… Hmmm ? WELL ?..COME ON DID HE ? ..I CAN’T HEAR YOU PEOPLE..

    In his first 3 yrs did the Eli led Giants ever have a 33% third down conversion rate for the season WELL DID HE PUNK ? DID HE?

    IN HIS FIRST 3 YRS DID ELI EVER DATE THE KATE UPTON.???????… The prosecution rests its case..the.case is closed…end it..end it now

  63. By youngjet on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    I am sorry to say this… but you all must be old and depressed. This is such an awful, negative and depressed blog. I am never coming back here. Goodbye!

  64. By SCfromNY on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    I have been trying to give the Jets the benefit of the doubt while not having too high expectations. All teams have issues with their teams at this point. I am sure NE fans are complaining about the running game, secondary, and an OL that makes ours look good. cqb I fully agree about the strenght coach. My son played HS ball with Alosi and he was a creep but knowledgable. Spicer I hope you are right but i also hope Olivia Wilde will come calling. I feel the first 3 games will tell the tale. If the running game is on track, we score early, reasonable # 3 and outs, Sanchez does not look timid, WRs step up ( I actually expect this), O keeps the D rested, and Rex stays away from Tebow I feel we will be going in the right direction. Positive chi

  65. By scjoe on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    John , 40 year fan, coming from a 52 year fan, I feel the pain. Don’t let ANYONE bully you to the point that you feel uncomfortable voicing your opinions on the state of the NY Jets, or the “reality” that goes along with it., on this site or any other. And most of all, do not feel you have to apologize for it. I truly believe in my heart that the so called “negative” fans are here for the long haul, and want this team to turn it around, compete, and be successful more then the so called “positive” optimistic, fans.They are usually the first to jump ship when things start to go south.

  66. By Bennett on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    YO Jimmer Dink Dunk Brady only had 5235 yards a 65.6% competion ratio and an 8.6 average doing that babystuff. Know what Bress was? Guess in your world he’s a worse dinker and dunker he had 8.3 average Know what Sanchez was .. no.. ahh go look it up. If you would share with us where you got the stats regarding Sanchez success on the roll.You are confusing a designed play action play or “roll out” as opposed to the busted play with Sanchez on the run as the pocket erodes which I was refering to. Meaning that you missed the whole point No doubt Sanchez has some sucsess on a DESIGNED play action, roll out, that was not the point I guess in your zeal to correct just about the whole board you failed to read the whole post… get back

  67. By Bennett on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    O K going way out on a a limb here.. and going to try and guess why Brady gets rid of the ball so fast Is it because thats what good QB’s do as that makes them very effective and eliminates sacks and neutralizies the pass rush? no.. Is it because thats basic to a good QB that he NOT HOLD ON to the ball and the drill for this? no.. Is because he can read the defense so fast? no.. Is it because he is going for the high precentage that moves the chains and gets them to the Super bowls ? no I give up. Your right I guess. He just stinks those bombs Welker catches every so often just don’t count and Sanchez doesn’t turnover the ball when pressured to run in fact the want him to run for his life cause he is so effective when that happens.

  68. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Jimmer, I’m willing yes right here in front of my guys are you ? I’ll bet Sanchez doesn’t make a Pro Bowl, Now what! mouth I’m going on Sanchez’s past performance , what are you going on? what if’s. Take it on the road

  69. By Bennett on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    I for one am glad the O line is bad. This way they can’t stop the penetration so Sanchez will have to flee and according to the “stats” he is very effective running pell mell from bodily injury. All those sacks, pics, fumbles and “errant throws” were when he was fully protected in the pocket. SPORANO IS A GENIUS… hope this doesn’t get out or teams will stop the pass rush and we are in trouble

  70. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    BTW, Jimmer, I believe in optimism, I am for fans standing behind our team, God Knows how long I have and fought tooth and nail with anyone who said different. So First, you’re talking you 20 years ago, Next, let me lay some reality on you just in case this is your rodeo.. Even if Sanchez had his best year to date do you realize how many QB.s he would have to beat out just to get a mention into a pro bowl??

  71. By Bennett on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    I read most of you very carefully, I have some favorites, some I just skip. Many times I do not agree but I always seek to fully understand the post before I shoot my mouth off. I do a post on Sanchez being forced by pressure and the resulting chaos and some one interpets this into a DESIGNED PLAY,a play action, something the whole offense plans and drills on, A PREPARED play and not only totally misses my point but obviously didn”t even try.. Do me a favor skip mine. If you want to argue at least argue the point I was making. Anyway anyone the calls Brady a dink and dunker and makes some strange illusion to getting rid of Moss so he doesn’t have to throw long????? ( what the heck does that even mean ??) On my skip list

  72. By Eli Rodriguez on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    JOHNSKI: (THIS IS A POST BY SINCE SHEA) Tannenbaum wasnt the GM in 2000 when Penington, Ellis, Abraham and Becht were all drafted in the first round. He was still the pro player development and contract negotiator specialist, right? Wasn’t Pacrells running the draft as Pres of football op’s? Wasn’t it the tuna who got us 2 extra first round picks by trading Keyshawn away? Many of us think that Mr T, sadly, has not drafted to our needs. ///// YOU’RE AFRAID OF WHAT YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND—-G-MAC IS THE FUTURE AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE TEBOW OR McELROY INSTEAD OF YOUR CHICKEN LITTLE.

  73. By danny on Aug 17, 2012 | Reply

    Jimmer well said about Bennett on MS. He throws much better rolling out on the run. Shotty refused to use him that way but when he did MS was succesful. I bet with our poor O line and due to MS throwing better on the run Sparono will call much more rollouts for Mark this yr., TOM64 I think there is way more pressure playing QB in the NFL for a NY team then playing JV football in Queens. Mark wants to be succesful and has to deal with negative fans like you bashing him so when things go wrong it’s a night and day difference then your JV coach yelling at you. I do think he seems more mature and understanding of what it takes to be a NFL QB this yr, Hey Brees took yrs to develop as they drafted Rivers. Brees was inaccurate and bashed

  74. By Jake on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Lee Evans could be a good pick up. I think he has alot to prove after being stuck up in buffalo year after year. Being cut by the hapless Jags has to have left a bad taste in his mouth. He is probably hungry. He could be a great experienced vet to help sure up our shaky at best wide-out group. Shiply could be the next Eric Decker if used right and he seems like the kind of guy that could really help in the slot if kerly can’t get in shape for the season. I would be very happy with either pick-up if they happen.

  75. By cgb on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    jimmer i think you missed my point in my previous post. It’s not that i didn’t want the jets to take alook at demps, it’s really about the jets looking hard at what they already have on their roster to see what they truely have in a player.

  76. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Bennet, agreed Sanchez has constantly going on his 4th season here been ranked near or at the bottom, and that’s a fact..this is what I meant about stats, not what if.s like some here, .. some fans I won’t mention names, believe we’re not Jet fans because we see and say what starring us right in the face, Judging by performance not hypothetical’s.. I have a better stat for you, mostly for the only see and believe what I want to see guys .. 1969 right after I watched Joe Namath Beat the colts, if someone anyone asked or even said to me in 2012 Jets wouldn’t be back to a Super Bowl .. My answer would have been there’s a better chance of me hitting the lottery. So I shall continue to call it like I see it,.Bad or good

  77. By wayne on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Jimmer, don’t care as to who have better WRs, Gints or Jets, the point was they always seem to find replacements. What’s the problem with T? Youngjet, hang around for about 40yrs of losing then come back and post….Here’s an idea for the OC; if you have 3 good TEs and unable to field effective WRs, go 3 TEs with Cumberland, Baker,………They’ll block better than WRs for the run game and they’ll be difficult to deal with size wise for DBs….T-Bomb from the moment he took over began dumping draft picks as if they were mere bags of shells. He’s been mostly flash and very little substance…..I know, I know 2 AFC Championships games. Please with that……..Jimmer I’m sure Jets have much better beds, but that’s not helping GQ any.

  78. By wayne on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Mjv, pretty much in agreement with you across the board……I don’t see any way for Mike T. to recover from this mess he’s created. The Cap is a mess, Rex, a great defensive mind won’t change…….heard comment from MS that the huddle is his, it sounds hollow……. I’m not one for change for change sake, but if the people in place continue to do the same things that caused the mess and show no willingness to adjust the MO then there’s only one option……………This becomes moot if they start out 3 – 0 and go 11 – 5…..11 – 5?????.Spicer, you are a incredible………

  79. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Cont. Bare with me. Randy,fellow Guys and gals Jet fans tail end of my point.on performance, not maybe after this or that.. Anyone on this blog, site, call it what you may,anyone on this site have any delusions judged by performance , ,believe if given a 50millionplus contract to do a job Jimmer and YoungJet included , wouldn’t have been pounding the pavement long ago instead of just being criticized and deservedly so.. . I know what excuse will be tossed about it’s the NFL not the real world.. Reality is all I have to go on sorry …. GO JETS

  80. By ron alexander on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    IRA, dude, come on man, dont let the negativity get you down.Last weeks “debacle”has clearly impacted the comments here as everyones fears were clearly confirmed. A lot of people who had tried to be positive were disappointed with Fridays game.Hey, my buddy vents his frustrations by throwing his golf clubs after a bad shot.As long as the club doesn’t hit anyone and falls harmlessly,its o.k! With Tanny’s failures to address the teams most glaring holes I think people are simply seeing the handwriting on the wall. I love Jimmer’s glowing prediction’s for us going 12-4 or 11-5 but as nice as that sounds, is it realistic? Even the most optimistc cant envision better than 9-5 with the current personell on this team.

  81. By GaryC on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    people who talk about Sanchez being better moving out of the pocket,why don’t some of the geniuses on the jets coaching staff have a moving pocket like the chiefs of the 60′s and 70′s did.the jet offensive line is more athletic than power anyway,it might prove to be to their advantage,anything will help.

  82. By GaryC on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    can we at least give Jordan White and Hill some time before we go to other teams discards.

  83. By ron alexander on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, I’m beginnig to think we might be better off in the long run if the whole season is a “debacle”?(which it just might be?) I’m thinking if we only win 3-4 games that Woody will finally realize the terriable mistake he has made by makeing an “accountant’ in charge of “picking the groceries”?BENNETT, Dude, you are on everybody’s must read list! i will never skip a Bennett post.While I find my self agreeing most with my man S.CJoe, and I always know Danny has my back, I
    love the calmness (and the facts) that Ira brings.You and 64 are definately in charge of the humor dept. and than we have the die hard loyalists like Karan,Jimmer,GaryC and of course Spicer. Hey,this is a great group of Jet fans here no matter how much we disagree!

  84. By Arte Olde School Section 327 on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Ya’ll.. My oh my.. I read this blog for entertainment purposes ONLY. The insight here reminds me of some of the writers and commentators on ESPN. Joe Theisman is might favorite LOL. Whta do ANY of you about ANYTHING. THe first thing you should learn which I know you did in kindergarten is to expect the unexpected. Teams win the Super Bowl by getting on a roll AND getting a little lucky. Scott Norwood. Wes Welker, etc This happens in all sports little boys and girls. One play can make or break a seaon.much less win a championship. Does Bucky Dent or Bil Buckner ring a bell?? Anyway, JUST WATCH and ENJOY WHAT A GAME IS ALL ABOUT. JETS beat the GINTS tonight for one and one reason ONLY! They are the ultimate unfathomables… (CONT)

  85. By Karan on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Yup i know Jimmer, I never said pass rush, O-lines the reason our QBs don’t get enough time to throw the ball precisely and even quickly.

  86. By Arte Olde School Section 327 on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    When you expect them to win they LOSE.. And thank God you all are falling into the Same Old Same Old Jet Fans who don’t really have a clue about what happens when the Fat Lady Sings.. The JETS WIN WHEN YOU EXPECT THEM TO LOSE.. If all of you can’t remember the NEW ENGLAND DESTRUCTION in Foxboro after they got humiliated 45-3 eearlier in the season, you don’t know BOO about NOTHIN’. And I do understand your collective ignorance. I, too, am still in shock as I remember not believing we were going to beat them – but guess what?? WE DID! AND BEAT THEM GOOD. Expect the Unexpected JetNation, sit back, enjoy and watch us WIN tonight boys and girls.. One more thing – itonly gets better. We will be back healthy and we will win the division. WATCH!!

  87. By Karan on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Johnski, i agree with you about Tannenbaum, he has done a poor job the last 2 years improving this roster. The RT position should have been handled, the depth on the line really. They should have resigned Rob Turner at least. I will disagree with you about the QB competition though. I’m a big fan of Tebow but not a fan of him being in NY. It will add pressure to MS i think, but I’m going to try to look at this from a positive perspective: he should make MS better competition wise. Cause Mark knows, a couple wrong moves and Tebow will take over regardless of what Rex says. This should motivate Sanchez. Also, Tebow is so darn versatile, if anything, he’s a really good back-up in that sense because of his ability to make plays. McElroy…..

  88. By Arte Olde School Section 327 on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    The Tebow trade will go down (just like Peyton will) as the greatest JET trade ever. MARK MY WORDS boys and girls. Come on! Get with the program. A 4th and 6th rounder.. WHat hasn’t Tebow done?? At this stage of his young career he’s only one of the greatest college QB’s ever. He only took his nothing of a Denver team to the playoffs and beat the Steelers who are WAY PAST THEIR PRIME now boys and girls.. The MOST important fact you reality seeking boys and girls must realize is that the Jets have just gotten YOUNGER real fast. New England, Pittsburgh, Denver and Pittsburgh are ALL WAY PAST THIEIR PRIME. We will be dominating the league especially on defense for the next 6 YEARS. How’s that for a blog? IMPLOSION?? I say EXPLOSION!! GO JETS!

  89. By Karan on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    ……is a smart player and is a good no.3 option. So, even though I’m not the biggest fan of the Tebow signing, I will say he only helps our QB depth, doesn’t hurt it, he might be a really good QB but the guy is a really really good footbalk player and right now, for his position on this team, thats what counts.

  90. By Karan on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Correction: *he might not be the best QB but the guy is…..

  91. By Karan on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    I’m not a Gaints fan but I would not call Victor Cruz a fluke. The is anything but a fluke. Outstanding wide receiver the Gaints picked up. Smart move.

  92. By Karan on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    You guys know I am one of Mark Sanchez’s biggest supporters but even I will say he will NOT make the pro bowl this season or perhaps anytime soon. He would need a good O-line for that. But O-line or no O-line, he is not ready to make the pro bowl as a QB yet, I hope he does one day. But honestly, we shouldn’t care about that, I know I don’t. The ONLY thing that matters is that we make the playoffs. Because we have seen how Mark plays in the playoffs, pretty darn good, and honestly, thats the only thing that matters: the playoffs and wins in the playoffs, not a Pro Bowl in Hawaii.

  93. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, aside from all the stats that Bennett pts out, Eli’s always had a cannon of an arm, while Sanchez never has and still doesn’t. And you made very similar predictions for Sanchez last yr and he didn’t even come close. youngjet, one of the things you often get with age is toughness, which is what a lot of us have to still be taking this sorry franchise seriously. If the good old days to you are Chad and Curtis Martin, it’s easier to be, if still foolish and counterproductive to be, blindly optimistic. Let’s see if you’re around 43 yrs from now if we don’t win another SB before then. Sure there’s more pressure in the NFL than JV, danny, but Sanchez seems to have just had a “birth of the cool” experience and it’s a little late for that.

  94. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks for the support, Jet Blue. Like with the current economy, dreams, happy talk, and dishonest distortions — all of which Rex excels at — aren’t going to get us out of this hole. Only clear-eyed, smart decisions — which Parcells excelled at — will. And that’s a good illustration of how the culture of the Jets hasn’t really changed enough yet for this team to be a consistent winner on a grand scale.

  95. By BillsJets on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Whatever happen to the players of yesteryear, Why is it that the Jets can’t go out there and find a player like a Deacon Jones, or a Bob Lilly, or a Marty Lyons, or even a Mean Joe Greene, or a running back like a John Riggins. Riggins up the middle, to the left to the right, now that was a running game, not a Shone Greene for a one yard gain. Come on Jets start finding guys who want to play in their heart, not just for the stats or the money. There’s pleny of other fish in the sea then to keep sticking it out every year with the same old guys, who get hurt every preseason but then turn around and want to play when the regular season rolls around. Let’s go Jets, start getting your act together. Let’s be NYs Team not the Giants.

  96. By danny on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Of course Demps signs with NE. Mike T didn;t wanna spend the money on a speedster that our team can def use. Watch Demps become the next Sproles I will throw up. I watched him play since his sophmore yr the kid is talented and lightning fast. Someone said no way will he be a Sproles well ummm no one knows what he will be until he plays in the NFL so cmonn ppl. We know now that we passed him up he will be a stud for NE. History tends to repeat itself “Woodhead”. Mike T rather throw money at washed up Vets then take a shot at a young prospect. I didn’t know our backfield was so stacked we couldn;t use a fast game changing back to help out

  97. By Nobody Listens to Blinka on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Hoping that their current players play better than last year was their off-season plan. Don’t think this will end my bitterness.

    Eh, who care what I think,

  98. By danny on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    I like MS and I like Rex but I’m starting to believe Mike T is our biggest problem. I think he was behind not upgrading the O line and he is what kills team chemistry with jerking guys like Slauson and maybe even playing games with Revis. Then guys see him throw money at washed up vets or horrible football players like Wayne Hunter. I even agree MS did not need a new contract and I like MS. Mike T must go ASAP

  99. By Bennett on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    JIMMER lets see where Brady stands in relation to the other awesome dinkers in pass yard avg in good ole ’11 . Lets see Brady 8.6 Brees 8.3 Smith 7.0. Where is Sanchez? That bomb thrower is at a huge 6,4 ( rolling out and all), however he does bury Tebow at 6.38. Now the highest rated QB of 2011 Rodgers he is at 9.2 So the best rated QB in the game who no one could call an awesome dink and dunker averages a whole .6 over that Brady guy AWESOME AIN’T IT … just buries him I guess you can either draw the conclusion THAT ALL THE QB’s are awesome dink and dunkers or you can draw the conclusion you don’t make any sense. Which is it?

  100. By Bennett on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Youngjet man that sounded like a suicide note chill out brosky it’s only a game anyway you didn’t stick around long enought to get it WE LIKE TO ARGUE…it’s fun

  101. By ron alexander on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Old schoolArtie, love your attitude dude.Good posts. But do me a favor, save some of what ever your smokeing and i will look you up in sect.327 so I can chill out and relax more like you! Hey, nobody wants to be negative, but what is it exactly that you have seen that makes you think we will win a devision with N.E,an improved Buffalo team and a Miami team that beat us last year that had nothing to play for with an interem head coach no less? Hey, we needed that game to have any playoff hope and our ‘Star” reciever decided he couldn’t be bothered!Our head coach had no idea there was a problem? Come on Artie baby,
    clue me in our light me up so I can smell the roses too!
    P.S,I dont even smoke!(anything!)

  102. By GaryC on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Of course the jets will beat the giants tonight,it’s a preseason game.

  103. By Bennett on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Hayden Smith is still trying to fiquer out the diferance between a Yard and a Meter Can you say gimmick ?

  104. By Arte Olde School Section 327 on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Would you believe we need a Right Tackle?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????NOTGOOD!!!!!!!!!!

  105. By danny on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    How much longer do we have to watch Wayne Hunter ????????? If Austin Howard don’t take over and we don’t pick up a lineman we all need to boycott the Jets games. Is it ridiculous or what ?????? Wayne Hunter does not belong on a NFL team and I’m sorry I can’;t see any lineman we have on the bench that can do any worse. it’s impossible to do worse then Wayne Hunter. Hey Tanny good investment with Wayne Hunter. Tanny should be fired tomorrow for Wayne Hunter alone and if Rex plays him ever again then he should be FIRED on the spot tooo. I have had it with this Wayne Hunter JOKE

  106. By Nobody Listens to Blinka on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Oh boy! It going to be a long bad season You can ignore the score of these preseason games but you cannot ignore how they are playing.

    Eh, no one cres what I think,

  107. By wayne on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    I can’t hammer GQ anymore…..We all know his shortcomings, but what he has for a supporting cast is, to understate it, not good…….If this was to be his breakout year, how does that happen without help? I would love to see him sink or swim having been given reasonable help. He is not working with good offensive help……

  108. By danny on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Not only do we have the worst starting O line in the NFL we have the worst backup O line in the NFL. Tebow who can run and avoid sacks is getting sacked and killed. If we don’t start signing available veteran lineman this week our season is over. I don’t even know if i can watch this team next week.

  109. By GaryC on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    has wayne hunter been cut yet and why has it taken so long.

  110. By GaryC on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    This was worse then last week,didn’t think that could happen,I would like to ask Ira how does he see so many good things at camp,do the jets leave it in Cortland.

  111. By GaryC on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    already looking at the college draft and their season hasn’t even started yet.

  112. By Jack on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Mark Sanchez grades is a big fat F. Wayne Hunter a F, Tebow C- 1st Rd drafts picks in 2013 QB, Matt Barkley, 2 Rd RT, 3Rd RB. Giants are still the better team of NY.

  113. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    “SANCHEZ HAD A FAIRLY CLEAR POCKET [my caps added] on his biggest mistake of the night. Hosely, the Giants’ 3rd-round rookie CB, stepped in front of Sanchez’s UNDERTHROWN [my caps again] pass for Turner before returning it for a 77-yard int to give the Giants a 13-0 lead before the 2-minute warning. Tebow helped the Jets get on the scoreboard by engineering a 14-play, 68-yard drive that chewed up nearly 8½ minutes in the 3rd qtr. Tebow, who was greeted by cheers in his home debut, completed 4 of 5 passes for 52 yards on his first drive, but missed a wide-open Hill in the end zone thanks to an UNDERTHROWN [my caps yet again] pass on the move.” That’s the state of our QBs to date, folks, and don’t say I haven’t been tellin’ ya for months.

  114. By scjoe on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY….IT IS US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But I will say this, I like a real good comedy every now and then, this one was a classic. Oh, sorry, that was a little to negative.

  115. By scjoe on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    Well Ira, you thought there was negativity in the air last week after THAT “debacle?” Better hold on to your hat after this weeks “debacle” This one trumps last weeks. And I would guess that all the “yay sayer’s” will be out in full force defending that pick six and blaming every one except the guilty party. It was the O lines fault, it was the WRs fault, it was the play call, blah, blah, blah blah.Take the blinders off people, because what you see, and what you have been seeing is what you will continue to get.

  116. By Jet Blue on Aug 18, 2012 | Reply

    3 points tonight against the Giants. This offense and it’s QB are in for a long day every Sunday. Can’t wait to hear Rex”s take on this game.
    Optimism? I don’t think so.

  117. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I think that must’ve been “clean pocket” in the Daily News story but either way, you guys get the point — lack of protection is hardly the only reason Sanchez throws crippling interceptions at times.

  118. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Any questions ? I live in Fla. game was so bad they switched from Jets Giants to Cowboys Raiders. what a disgrace. Sanchez pro Bowl he’ll be lucky to keep his job before seasons end
    . Guess I won’t be hearing from Jimmer and his predictions

  119. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I stand corrected, I believe it was Cowboys chargers

  120. By Karan on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Absolutely disgusting, thats all I have to say about this offense, the whole offensive unit, not just one player, the whole offensive unit, just horrible, especially this O-line and Hunter in particular. I try to stay positive as I can with this team, but after this performance, I really can’t. We are the joke of the NFL.

  121. By Karan on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Really hope this is Tannenbaums last year here.

  122. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Arte Old School, I have to admire your optimum, about Tebow<best trade ever ? Mark your words, Best college QB ever, bold statement my friend, Yes, he took his nothing Denver team to the playoffs, .Let me remind you what team he needed to beat in getting there JETS, Like Ron said I'd like to get some of what you're smoking…. I'd very much like to bottle that stuff and become famous

  123. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I see more and more are finally feeling my pain, realizing truth hurts . no matter how you spin it. Yes, scjoe I’m very interested in seeing Ira sweep this performance under the rug , . I like Rex’s statement we will play 100% better in the season opener, he guarantees it, Newsflash, only improvement to this team has been Rex’s predictions and guarantees .. My new quest fire Mike -T and all his scouts . time for a new direction

  124. By Bennett on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez again had no points and 8 yards passing in the 1st qt… he is the slowest starting QB I have ever seen in MY LIFE. What strikes me is he looks so light on his feet when he drops or rolls looks really good in the pocket, but under any pressure he turns into a lead footed Zombie, without a clue what to do. He moved forword RIGHT INTO that first sack.

  125. By BillsJets on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Jets better pick up another punter. OK Jets go ahead and finally put your offense on the field, wait they were on the field already, sorry I didn’t notice. Jets best players in the Giant game, the linebackers, everyone else stunk. Now can someone explain to me why we picked up the Dolphins ex-head coach as our offensive coordinator. You never pick up another teams coach from a division rival, is he working to make us better or working to make us worse. Devito did good last night, but after all the good he did, then the Jets would pull him out the next play, what are the Jets thinking, he’s probably the Jets best Defensive linemen.

  126. By Viveca on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Todays offense looks awfully familiar to last season’s. Soprano replaced Schotty, but the lousy playcalling continues. Dink and dunk with the same predictable result. Very few passes over five yards completed, or even attempted. Also,Ground and Pound are for teams who can run with power and protect. If you can’t do either that approach is meaningless.
    Hunter is obviously our most glaring weakness, but he’s far from alone. I blame Tannenbaum. He had the whole off- season to fix the problems. Also, NE is smart enough to collect tight ends. We don’t have one that can block! Baker has stonehands. The punter should be cut today. Defense alone can’t carry this team!

  127. By GaryC on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    joe mc knight next block might be his first block,It is open season on the qbs whenever powell or mcknight are in the backfield,where was ganaway,It looked like they were featuring connor as a number one back,lordy.When are we seeing slauson at tackle and schladderaff or ducasse at guard,Hunter and Howard,bye bye.I am still not sold on turner either,bad drop.holmes,kerley,hill,schilens and white should be wideouts,might throw cumberland out there too because he can’t block either as a tightend and was a wideout in college.If the offense can’t move and conley keeps shanking the opposing offenses will be getting the ball inside the jet 40 a lot this year.

  128. By GaryC on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply


  129. By keith on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    If you play scared you will never get better . Sanchez will never learn to throw down the field if he is scared to throw interception. I know he has no time to look down the field, but sometimes he does and he throws 3 yard passes. Do they think this is something to start in regular season game or should they do this in preseason? Did he throw one pass to the the rookie WR, where is Dustin Keller. The defense spent 3/4 of the time on the field. We should just punt the ball on first down so I don’t have to watch this. This offense is painful to watch, good thingt we got Tebow instead of offensive lineman or another receiver. I had enough bring back Rich Kotite so I know not to waste my Sundays watching this and getting aggravated.

  130. By BillsJets on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Post Game Questions to Rex Ryan, Reminds me of the days when I played High School Football, and other sports in my high School days, the gym coaches would always make someone like me second string because the coaches always had their favorites, the brown noses. i was clearly better, but don’t tell that to an untalented high school coach. Rex does the same thing. Throws Slauson under the bus, but builds up Wayne Hunter, builds up Sanchez, but puts down McElroy. Coples needs to be in their with the first line, along with Devito, and did you ever notice that Revis is being picked on by QBs. It’s his size, and Posey Stinks.

  131. By FLPete on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    This is INSANE!!!! Im going to save some of these negative comments and remind you of them when the winning starts… Like ive said before, How can the WORST FANS want the BEST FOOTBALL TEAM… Give it up!!!

  132. By BillsJets on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    OK here we go Jets Offensive Coaching staff, let me show you how to fix the offense, It takes a WR three to four seconds to run his route, Sanchez has two seconds in the pocket before he’s lying on his back. Fix, screen passes, roll the QB out of the pocket. Jets need one yard for a first down, it’s 3rd and one at mid field, fix don’t run up the middle, run off tackle, or sneak the QB around the end or pull a fast one and go deep. Defense, fix try a four man defensive line, but make sure you put four guys who can get after the QB, and blitz more LBs. Special teams, stop running the ball out of the end zone when he catches it deep in the end zone and runs it our to the 10 yard line, and always with a penalty call.

  133. By cgb on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    the only good news about the jets giants game is that it’s only a preseason game. ones against ones our offensive line could not hold back the giants 4 man fronts. even our two;s could not hold back the giants d-line. we were bad on 3rd down conversions, on 4th down conversions, penalties were out of control ,stopping drives. then add in mark s. pick six. absolutely sickening. I dont care that 3 of their top 4 wr are out, or that they want to establish a running game. send S hill long opposing team knows you want to run so before you convince opposing teams you cant do anything offensively,try that play first

  134. By kw65Fan on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    PLEASE…STOP THIS NONSENSE…since when does back-up QB is like next in line on interview stand…PLEASE. Interview at his locker like all the other players. Nothing but prima donna bull. He can’t throw…he is NOT a QB…open your eyes FO…Rex…CUT HIM….that will be a big news flash. And watch how many teams will jump to pick him up…NONE

  135. By danny on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    When is Rex gonna call this team out like a HC is supposed to do after a performance like that. Bill Parcels would put everyone on the hot seat and tell his team they STINK. Rex each game now ur losing me and other Rex supporters buddy. I’m still blown away Wayne Hunter has a NFL job and more blown away it’s for our team after we seen what he did last night all last season. Does he have something on Tanny and Rex that no one knows about ??”? No excuse for Hunter to be on the field and that is as a starter or backup.

  136. By Tom Spicer on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Jets RT Wayne Hunter was predictably manhandled in pass protection during Saturday night’s preseason game against the Giants.
    Hunter served up two full sacks, played a role in a third, and got off the hook for a fourth due to penalty. ESPN New York’s Rich Cimini suggests swing tackle Austin Howard will see an increase in practice reps this week. The Jets’ offensive line as a whole has looked brutal in pass pro so far this preseason.

  137. By wayne on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    MJV, I’ve had the engine idling on the get TBomb out of town train for a very long, when many here were complimenting him on the great work he was doing…….I believe that part of the reason he went for the home run so often was he wasn’t sure of what he was doing and never had a clear plan to build and sustain an NFL franchise……That’s why he only brought in novices or first time coaches as subordinates. In so doing he could maintain his stronghold on the top spot. Bradway long since lost the fire, but he could stay around to bounce things off while collect a sweet check as a consultant………….WHY ELSE WON’T BIG TIME COACHES AND FOOTBALL PEOPLE COME TO AN ORGANIZATION WITH THE DOUGHT TO PAY THEM?

  138. By Jake98660 on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    arte old school. If your right and the steelers are past their prime then your pointed is mooted. You were trumping that as a big win for tebow, but also say they are past their prime. Tebow should have won that game at home with half the steelers defense hurt. Their Safety Ryan Clark could’t play because of his sickle cell. I don’t think you can say that was a defining win for mr. tim

  139. By BillsJets on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Watching a Jets football game on tv, the other team has the ball, for around 7 minutes, no commercial breaks, get to see Jets defense for 7 minutes of playing time equates to 20 minutes without a commercial. Jets offense enters the field, commercial break, Jets run one play call a time out, commercial break, Jets get to a 3rd and 6 yards to go, only get 3 yards, punt, longer commercial break. Can’t tell you much about the Jets offense but I have all the commercials memorized.

  140. By cgb on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    the jets keep on saying mark sanchez is the starting qb, and that tebow was brought in to run the WC and be a football player. then why does he get so many reps in practice running the jets conventional offense. hell they didn’t even start practicing the WC until a couple a weeks back. Mcelroy should be getting most of the number two reps. he is not getting the work he deserves or needs. this is a big mistake, and can hurt the team as the season moves forward. Tebow should be used in preseason the same way they plan to use him in the regular season. Or is this all a lie? But the best way to use Tebow would be to get him and mark on the field at the same time. lets see how that disrupts opposing defenses.

  141. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    danny, I’m both surprised at you and not. All this irrational exuberance about a Jet organization that looks almost as bad as it is ever has must eventually meet with reality. But now you don’t even know if you “can watch this team next week”? Well then, DON’T CRITICIZE THOSE OF US WHO HAVEN’T MISSED A GAME IN ALMOST 50 YRS AND THINK WE NEED TO MAKE BIG CHANGES! scjoe, Ira’s an institution in Jetland and rightly so. But I notice after most bad games, he disappears until about Thursday, then puts the best possible spin on disastrous events as he can. That’s fine for a press agent, not as fine for anybody who wants to see this franchise ever truly move forward. Bring on Curtis Martin as owner and a whole new cast and approach.

  142. By since shea on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    All the “Hunter will have a good year” Kool-aid drinkers will now be silenced. Mr T did nothing to address our biggest need of an O line. Put in the best receivers known to man. Get Peyton or Brady for QB. It wouldn’t matter. Offense looked as bad or worse than last year. So much for Sporano’s quick play calling? Think about this all you Mr T fans. T is a Parcells guy. Sporano is a Parcells guy. Both got their jobs thanks to tuna. Both owe tuna? Sporano loses his job. Tuna calls in his marker and gets him a job working for Mr T. Sporano was never an OC. Sad.

  143. By since shea on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I sat in my seat surrounded by giant fans. They asked me why we dont even look downfield to throw. Eli looks downfield first and releases in 3 seconds. Mark seems to freeze for a second then looks closest to him for a receiver. On the pick 6, we were in a third and long. The play had no chance of getting a first down. It was his first read. Why call that play?? I saw Hill open downfield several times where we could have hit him quickly, before getting sacked. We never looked his way. He could be our Victor Cruz but we will never know.

  144. By Alex G on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    The jets couldn’t beat Bon Jovi’s football team if they were lined up to play next week. what a J-O-K-E the J-E-T-S are.

  145. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    We must take emergency measures in regards to the O line … This will not due ….. We are not going to win anything ….

  146. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    We need Parcells back , I would take him at any age ….

  147. By SCfromNY on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Well after all the past weeks comments about Pennington’s deficencies our QBs shined. NO THEY DIDN”T. Sanchez is already on his” Oh my just 1 slip and I paid for it” speech. He will learn and get better. WHEN. You can not blame the line for everything. If your OC knows he has problems with the OL he should do his best to work around them. So far we could have kept Schotty. Hill cleared out the Dbacks and got wide open. My grandmother could have completed that pass. I will add my voice to the few who have stated that after a couple of games the D will give up in frustration.Suppossedly RT is the big issue. If you can not scheme for that you are not an OC. Same O as Maimi last year . . . 3 and out. Punt or kick a field goal if lucky.

  148. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe thanks for the kind words ..I am OK it’s just disturbing looking at the situation the Jets are in right now …

  149. By Ryano on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    All in all Sanchez looked fine last night given protection. And of that there is little. I can’t believe we are still talking about Wayne Hunter at this point. I love Rex Ryan, but the coaching staff’s insistence on playing him and keeping him on the roster is damaging his credibility both in and outside of the locker room. Sanchez is the consummate class act by holding his head up and proclaiming they have the right personnel on the O-line even when he knows they damn well do not.

    Tebow will be a fine backup. He can still keep defences honest as long as he gets some early completions. Which he did, and he will if he keeps working on his mechanics and getting the appropriate reps in practice.

    Shonn Greene is my issue.

  150. By ron alexander on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    WOW,just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water(erhhh watch your T.V, S.C Joe,how right you are!This was much worse than the Debacle1.
    I was acyually thinking about a lot of the guys here as this Debacle unfolded. Actually Joe, I was laughing too as It was sur-real!I cant possiably imagine any one playing a worse game than our star boy “Wayne Hunter”! J.P.P knocked him out of the way so bad he actually spun around and in one motion reached down to pick up Sanchez off the ground like it was a scripted part of the play?Never seen anything like it! Or as pathetic! Danny is right, he needs to be gone by Monday.

  151. By ron alexander on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    IRA baby, I’m dying to hear you spin this one kid? other than Landry’s hit on on Cruz there were no high lights! If any one thinks Tebow is gonna lead us to victory after that performance he must be sitting in section 327 with with Old School Artie and inhaling the second hand smoke from one of Arties Dubies? Hang in there Danny, things could be worse, we can always bring Schotty back as our new head coach.64, you must be lov’n this. You pretty much called this one on the money Dude. I for one cant wait to read whart Bennett come up with off of this one!

  152. By Karan on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    So many issues to address. No, they dont go out and get a good supporting cast for Mark Sanchez, they go out and get Tim Tebow! Your doing an excellent job as GM, Tannenbaum (end sarcasm).

  153. By Karan on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez needs to make better decisions, I can’t stand those short little 3 yard passes, he’s gotten so used to that because they don’t let him air it out, but above MS and him needing to play better, its this offensive line, they can’t protect anyone, Tebow was clearly frustrated last night. Really hope we sign a veteran WR and some O-line before the season. Most likely not going to happen since Tannenbaum is the GM, get ready for another disastrous year guys. Major props to the D though.

  154. By scjoe on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Well, what do we have here? Even the “glass half full” optimists are beginning to see the lite of day after this last disgrace. When some of us spoke out against the QB, the O line,especially that RT, the slow clunky LBs, the RBs, the WRs, the FO,the trades, the total mismanagement in general, etc. We were all scolded for being to negative. We were told to go root for the Pats, or the Eagles. Well, what do you think now? Do you think that just maybe, we were not speaking through our hats? Do you think that just maybe, there is a problem of biblical proportions surrounding this franchise?

  155. By joe on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply


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  157. By scjoe on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Take a look at today’s NFL.com poll “What should the NY Jets panic level be” You will see that the “negativity” that some complain about on Randy’s Radar is pretty wide spread among Jet fans.

  158. By Barker on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    I have been reading this blog for months and I have never made a comment until now. I have a theory and I may be wrong but I don’t think so. Ask your self why we haven’t seen any of the “wilcat” or any trick plays. The brass want the real game plans to remain a secret so they are running a different offense then they have been practicing. I noticed that Tim’s throwing motion is drastically different then even last year and that means it will take time for the touch and accuracy to catch up. Rex knows that Tim can throw the long ball so why didn’t he use it last night? Because they want him to get reps with the shorter throws and get better. They did not pull Tim last night because he needs the reps in a game time situation to improve. Cont.

  159. By Barker on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    As for Mark neither nor Tim had any protection. The offensive line has been a problem for a long time and I dont think they addressed it at all this off season. I am going to be optimistic until the regular season because I see many many teams struggling this preseason. I can’t believe how bad Aaron Rodger and the Packers are doing and they are not the only ones. Before we get all nasty and such lets see the new offense in action when it counts and then evaluate it. Just me though.

  160. By Tom Spicer on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    7 sacks last night vs the Gaints & 5 sacks for the Bengals game. That is a average of 6 sacks per game. But there is nothing is wrong with the O line it is all Mark Sanchez fault. Only on the Jets wibsite I tell ya no where else. No O line, no running backs & no WR’S. This O as a whole looks terrible not just the QB like some guys would like you to think. I dont care if Tom Brady was the Jets QB in the last 2 games! If you are getting sacked 7 times a game & have under 3 seconds to throw everytime you will not do good PERIOD!

  161. By jets on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    us jets fans should be ashamed only team to not score a touchdown in this preaseson wayne hunter should get cut for almost allowing 2 sacks every preaseason game .

  162. By SCfromNY on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Based on post game conferences the Jets are ready for the season: Sanchez,”We just have to learn from our mistakes and get better. There were a lot of good things happening. I can’t have these small errors”. Ryan: ” I was disappointed. We have to play better and establish the run. They are a great team. I am sure the OL will work hard and come together”. A couple of 5 yard runs are nothing tp get excited about. Will the longest pass this year again be thrown by someone other than a QB? Is there no better RT anywhere? It’s only preseason BUT there is a lot of work needed. Perhaps too much. PLEASE STOP THE TEBOW POST GAME / PRACTICE INTERVIEWS. HE IS A BACKUP!

  163. By Tom Spicer on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    In Eli’s 1st 3 years was he ever ranked 30 as a QB? Answer YES HE DID! As a matter of fact he was 34th his rookie year. Went 0 & 9 he won ZERO games that year thats right ZIP, ZLICH, NOTHING, NADA. Eli had 6 TDS & 10 turnover that year. 2005 ranked 23, 2007 ranked 25 & they won the Super Bowl that year! Did Eli ever have 11 turnovers in a 3 game span? I dont know if he did but I know this Mark NEVER had 11 turnovers in a 3 game span. I went thru his entire career! Was Eli number 2 in the entire NFL in turnovers in his 1st 3 years? I dont know BUT he did even better in years 2, 3 & 4 HE WAS #1 in the NFL with 66 turnovers! For those who do not understand english NUMERO UNO! In Marks 1st 3 years he had 63 turnovers in years 2, 3 & 4 Eli had

  164. By Tom Spicer on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    66. Finally did Eli ever date Kate Upton answer NO HE DID NOT & HE WISHED HE DID! I rest my case the jury came back with the verdict & I won.

  165. By Jack on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t understand why can’t Tanny and Rex can’t see that they need a RT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Mark Sanchez played well the 1st 2 years but they were at the end of each season going into both playoffs. Last year was his worse season most INT’s in the NFL and last night he throw another int. I know the offensive is leaning a new offense and its take time I just hope that all it is or its going to be a long long cold season. Still see Jets going 6-10 or 7-9 this season. if they have a season like this or they lose more games then this they better be thinking about drafting ot even trading up to get QB, Matt Barkley USC.

  166. By GaryC on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    jetfantom, jets offense hasn’t been the same since cotchery,smith and woodhead left.guys we had no use for.

  167. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Actually, FLPete, it’s more like one of the worst organizations in the NFL inexplicably has some of the best fans. It’s Rex who needs to be called out, danny, or rather called back — to some podunk college where his big mouth and small talent gets over on starry-eyed teenagers. ron a, I take no delight in watching the Jets descend to joke status. But I do sleep better looking forward to the day when we have a real owner, a real GM, and a real HC who knows all sides of the game and is interested in winning rather than stand-up comedy stunts. Thanks for reminding folks, scjoe, about those of us who dwell in reality but the reality now is way beyond Hunter or Sanchez or even Rex, it’s the whole badly-run organization.

  168. By danny on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    TOM64 that was my anger talking of course I will watch next week LOL. I havent missed many games since about 1984. I’m just sick rite now with the offense and mosty with how we did not make a change this yr at RT. I always back our team but you do know i been saying Wayne Hunter and Eric Smith are not NFL players. Well Eric is a NFL special teams player but that’s it. Hunter must be benched right now and I’m sure 99 percent of the team feels just like all of us when it comes to Hunter

  169. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    If this was my team I would cut a bunch of dudes that can’t block . There is no excuse for that disgrace out there , we could pick up some guys off the street , to put up better blocking on the o line …

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  171. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, I’m sorry to say best decision Sanchez could make retire, Spicer will you ever change your tune .. .unreal, we never said it was all Sanchez . we knew all about O/L W/O RB you sound like it just came to you last night or game , Sanchez is the Leader of this bunch of keystone cops.. You know same as us QB Gets most of the credit when we win or lose comes with the position ..OK now I have a good one for my guy’s , some will have us believe Rex, TS, MS, TT , not showing off our new and improved wildcat offense, We’re willing to get both QB’s killed before this season even starts, Watergate has nothing on this bunch

  172. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Cont. let me say so you guy’s, gals, and fans, don’t think I’m just a hater , I’ll make a pledge to all the optimists, if I’m wrong and this team gets to the playoffs or beyond I’ll eat crow apologize to all concerned Sanchez Mike -T Rex TS TT Woody Johnson anyone I’ve offended . BTW, TU TU is not happening, speaking of, where is Jimmer, missing in action?

  173. By since shea on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Just saw Andrew Luck. Impressive young man who is talented and lucky because his team is trying to surround him with the talent to succeed, including the drafting of his WR from Stanford. Their college pitch and catch continues at the pro level. Nice throws downfield. Some throws were bullets and some were soft easy tosses over defenders. Nice rebound from a pick six. This kid is good. Their draft was good. How soon before Colts are big time threats again? Will we still be rebuilding? Sad.

  174. By scjoe on Aug 19, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, I do not think there is a regular (Or anyone else) on this web site who EVER, even one time made a claim that it is ONLY Mark Sanchez who is at fault. I read the site almost every day and all i ever read about is the dysfunctional O line, the lack of depth, the 2nd rate core of RBs. The slow OLBs, the safety’s (more so last season) the WRs AND the QB! Not to mention the FO, the HC, the OC, etc. So, why would you make a statement like you did above?

  175. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    “Clearly, we’ve got to get more production in the regular season than we’ve gotten in these two preseason games. There is no doubt,” Rex Ryan said without any anger or frustration. “But I’m 100% sure when we kick it off for real that we will have more production.” COULD YOU HAVE MUCH LESS?! This is the 3rd yr in a row I’ve had to hear this stuff, and the third yr in a row in which I’ll have to listen to Ira saying that the exhibition O is purposely vanilla and that the real thing will come during the season, after which it won’t in fact come. And the only reason we didn’t hear this in Rex’s 1st preseason was because the talk then was Sanchez vs. Clemens. Why does anyone think Rex is in any way capable of coaching this entire team?

  176. By IRA on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, There is nothing to say. Like i said back in June the D will be very good and hold teams to 17 pts. My concern was how will they score 20 pts and it doesn’t look good right now. I don’t care who the QB is or the RB’s with the way the OL is playing and no TE who can block they will not be able to have a productive offense. One option is if they can’t trade for a OT just maybe they can can slide Slauson over to RT he played RT in college for 3 yrs and put Ducasse in at LG. He has improved and maybe he can get the job done. They really don’t have too many options at this point unless they can pull off a block buster trade for a RT that a team wants to save on some cap and salary space.

  177. By GaryC on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Keith made an excellent point about Sanchez is afraid to take chances on throwing the ball down the field,Rex lambasts him everytime he throws an interception,Jetfantoms favorite Favre has the record for intercepts and is going to the Hall of Fame,the jets will have to open up the offense if they want to see any success.the defenses now can put all eleven guys within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage with no fear the jets are throwing long.The Jets might have to go to a two back offense with Connor and Greene for better pass protection and to keep Sanchez walking.

  178. By SCfromNY on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    I watched the Colts play last night. The Colts have basically gutted their team to start new. Everywhere from OL to D there are many new faces especially at QB. So a QB who came to camp late, has unfamiliar WRs, a unfamiliar OL, no great running game, and under constant pressure from the Steelers D should have folded up early. No! He made plays when he had to, escaped pressure with his head UP, and threw downfield. I like to complain as many fans do BUT WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE JETS? 3 pro bowl OL and thetre is no protection or holes. Doesn’t matter how new the WRs are the QBs only throw 3 yards. Even Revis is being picked on. I like Rex but it must be the coaching.The defense CAN NOT play 45 minutes.

  179. By Allan O'Dane on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    All I can say is wow… With this offensive line neither QB will make it by week 4. What in the name of Anthony Munoz is going on here?!? Nobody to blame here but Mike T. All he had to do is sign 1 just 1 all-pro Tackle. CARL NICKS!!!!! Now..granted sanchez was without his #1 and 2 Wr’s but wayne hunter is just plain terrible. I almost felt bad for GQ. Fellas…by next week when the NYJ play for 3qtrs with all their starters if they put on another performance like that again…..my friends we will be lucky to go 4-12 this season. Something has to be done…right away…save the season NOW!….find somebody…trade somebody!…And I’m sure Peyton did his homework on the Jets O-line and he said “Thanks..but no thanks”…

  180. By Mike Jet Vet on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Off topic .Appreciation, to >> must be very hard for Randy to keep up with his schedule and all, Kudo’s big guy, for a great job, Point > As I watched Colts and Steelers last night, Finding it very hard to avoid flinging my TV out the window, WHY? you ask, Colts totally retooled Coaches, players QB,, Center, W/O’s general manager, the works this team was totally dismantled. Yet they played like a seasoned veteran team , Andrew Luck played lights out. How is it possible and we The NY JETS are fielding this mess,

  181. By Allan O'Dane on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Jet Vet….Two words for you…Mike Tannenbaum….Everybody..every jet fan…every jet player….jets nation..Knew that Right Tackle spot was a glaring need. Everybody knew that we needed a number #1 WR to go along with holmes…BUT NOOOOOO…we sign Chaz Schelins!…We sign Austin Howard. Rex is a lifetime D coord. that’s it. He’s not head coach material. 64 Tom and I have been saying just let Curtis Martin and Co. buy the Jets. And build with guys like Bill Polian and Bill Cowher…get people in here that know football. Let me say this..Every team we will play this season those coaches are watching tape of our pre-season games and they are just licking their chops to let loose their D against this offense. I would….

  182. By Allan O'Dane on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Right now…Somebody in the NYJ FO better start looking at the FA list still available…

    We don’t have a true Veteran QB…I would take a look at Donovan McNabb.
    We need a WR…well Edwards and Owens are gone…better look at Chad Johnson or Roy Williams…only two decent WR still left out there on FA
    Tackles…OMG…anybody…please…Kareem McKenzie still might be out there and Max Starks.,,,

    I just hope somebody does something before the real season starts.!

  183. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    IRA , We can’t put ducasse on the left side at all , he is dreadfull …That would be the end of Sanchez game 1 …Even on the right side I would not trust him in the NFL …we need a complete revamp at O Line ..from the ground up ..even brick and mangold put on notice we have got to block …

  184. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Ira i like your latter idea of a blockbuster trade ….

  185. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Our Terror alert color ,… is code RED ….

  186. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    This is the most dishevled I have seen this offense since Kotite was trying to get Odonnell killed …..

  187. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Even the bagels have a better O line ….

  188. By steven on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    The Offense Was Offensive in the Giants Game

  189. By GaryC on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Ira finally came to my idea which I posted along time ago when he still believed in Hunter,Slauson to tackle,he is better then anything you will pick up now,and move in ducasse or schladeraff who showed that he can be a good pulling guard.Time to think outside the box, rex and tanny.or we will be doing a Michael ray Richardson, the ship be sinking.

  190. By Jet Blue on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer: Stop comparing Sanchez to Eli. It’s getting old and there is no comparison. The lack of offensive production and the ability to sustain drives has been an issue since the first season with Rex. Great teams usually have great coahes and great QBs. But you gotta have at least one. The Jets have neither. Sanchez is not solely responsible for the inept O, but he does nothing to compensate for any of the other many deficiencies they have. Rex is absolutely clueless. I could see that from the first year, just watching what he does and listening to what he says. Mangini was a better coach than Rex. This team is going to get buried more than once this year. It’s going to be unpleasant, but if that what it takes for change…OK.

  191. By TIM on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    1. I keep telling you guys. OFFENSE is ALL about ***(BLOCKING, BLOCKING,

    2. You have to **(BLOCK)** before you can PASS or RUN the ball!

    3. Watch ANY OFFENSIVE play, and you will see that the SUCCESS of ANY offensive play, will be based on either a (BLOCK) or (BLOCKS) were made or NOT made, to the SUCCESS of any OFFENSIVE play!

  192. By GaryC on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Montana,Tarkenton,Brad Johnson,Starr,Luck,Unitas,Griese,just a small list of quarterbacks who have had success without a cannon of an arm,in this generation of qbs,Eli,Brady,Rivers,none have cannons,Rodgers,Flacco,Ryan,Freeman have cannons,some have success some don’t.More to making a quarterback then velocity,if that was the case they would be pitching in the major leagues.

  193. By Jet Blue on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    If these posts are any indication of what’s to come, then we’re all in for a long season. How could a head coach that is one year removed from predicting a SB win not be capable of understanding that he not only doesn’t have the ingredients for a good team, he doesn’t have the recipe either. Parcells may not have always been able to shop for the meal, but come dinner time, there was food on the table. Rex is trying to convince us that the regular season will be different. But right now, he’s serving stale crackers with cold soup and telling us that the steak and lobster are on the way. We’ve been to Rex’s house for dinner before. There is no steak and lobster. Only hope is if Woody gets tired of eating soup and crackers. I know I am!

  194. By scjoe on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Negative…Positive….Hater…Nay Sayer….Yay Sayer….Glass Half Full….Glass Half Empty? What ever your flavor, all you have to do is take a look at last seasons RT play, THEN, consider the fact that same RT is STILL being proclaimed the starter regardless of the fact he has allowed more then 4 sacks this pre season in less then one half of play. How utterly ludicrous is that? It is obvious that “talking this guy up” has had little or no effect on how he plays the game. What’s worse? THAT is not the only position in question, just the most glaring. If that little dose of reality is defined as being “negative” then I am the most negative person walking the face of the earth.

  195. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    The fact that Rex is saying we are not hitting the panic button says to me ….WE ARE HITTING THE PANIC BUTTON …A smart move would be pick up Kareem Mckenzie from the Giants , he is a free agent …Things are desperate …

  196. By ron alexander on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Light at the end of the tunnell? O.K boys & girls, just sit back and Big Ron is gonna tell you how we fix this mess.The very first thing we have to do cut Wayne Hunter.I know,this one is obvious,but it absoloutely must be done not only to protest the health of any one we put out there at Q.B, but for the team morale as well! You just cant put a guy out there that has absoloutely zero chance to succeed! And that brings me to step2. Fire Tanney!Now! No further changes can be made until that happans.No one this incompetent should be in charge of pick’n the groceries.The whole Tannenbaum thing goes back years. but we really only have to go back to last years when the strike ended.Tanney sat by and watched as many (continued!)

  197. By Jet Blue on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe: The RT starting job decision is not surprising coming from an organization that rewards a less than mediocre QB with a contract extension and more money.
    TIM: We all know the importance of blocking. Apparently Rex doesn’t have that drill on his to-do list.

  198. By Karan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    We must sign one of Braylon Edwards or Terrell Owens, one of them WILL get released, from the looks of it, its T.O. I don’t care what anyone says, we need a veteran WR, and it doesn’t matter how old T.O., he hasn’t had the best preseaon but the guy is still productive. He had a great season with the Bengals like only less than 2 years ago. Heck, I’ll even take Lee Evans.

  199. By Karan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Knowing Tannenbaum and company, they’ll probably sign Merriman instead of RT or any good O-lineman.

  200. By Karan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    I’m convinced all Woody cares about is selling tickets, the dude just wants to make money, and not spend it which would result in his team getting better. Tebow = major sales. FIX THIS OFFENSE!!

  201. By GaryC on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Now the jets have released Heyer,just like Willis before him,training camp fodder,just like I said,if you think the jets are picking up a guy that is going to be a good starter you have another thing coming.It might be a slight upgrade from Hunter but you are not getting any all pros unless you mortgage more of your future which the jets are good at.that is a category that they are number one at.

  202. By Karan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    There are stil veteran OTs out there:

    Chad Clifton
    Kareem McKenzie
    Stacy Andrews

    I wouldn’t mind having Jeff Otah back here as long as he’s passes his physical, I mean he is technically a free agent so we are allowed to sign him aren’t we? I think even Ducasse might be an upgrade over Hunter right now.

  203. By Karan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve noticed one of the smarted teams in the NFL in drafting good O-lineman, turning them into pro bowlers and even trading for good O-lineman are the Saints.

  204. By Karan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Its pretty crazy whats happened. 2 years ago, the Jets were on top of the world. We had a really really good O-line, had playoff wins, but its been all downhill from there. What happened? I blame Tannenbaum. He wasted tons of time going after Asomugha so the core of the team which were mainly free agents that offseason left and its been a disaster ever since.

  205. By Karan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Seriously at times like these, you miss guys like Damein Woody, Ben Hartsock, Rob Turner and Tony Richardson.

  206. By ron alexander on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    continuation)-free agents that could have helped us were scapped up by other teams.Step3Hire former Giants “pro player personell Director Dave Gettleman as our new G.M. Gettleman was passed over when the Giants chose Jerry Reese 3 years ago but remained a force in the Giants war room. I have heard Mike Francesca refer to him on many occassions when complementing the Giants front office.4-Its time to move this team into todays N.F.L! We need to pick a Q.B and surround him with the O.l.and skill players he needs to succeed.This season is looking like it will net us a high draft pick. Does any one here want Tanney pick’n the groceries?

  207. By Allan O'Dane on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Did anyone see Rex’s press conference?..Just look at his face..it says it all. Wow..and we are only in pre-season. He knows we are in big trouble on the O-line. He just doesn’t know what to say or do. He’s making excuses already…Mangold played the best he’s ever seen?..are you kidding me Rex? HE’S supposed to play at that level HE IS AN ALL PRO CENTER!!!!

  208. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    It’s not about Hunter, Sanchez, or even this whole season, guys, it’s about changing everything from the top down. If it takes 2-14 to get to that, like SCfromNY’s saying about what’s going on with the Colts, bring it on!

  209. By Tom Spicer on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Blue, I dont want to compare Mark to Eli I swear I dont. But some guys wont let it go so I am goign to fire it right back at them & slam them down!

  210. By Tom Spicer on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, Bennett has said it is exclusively Marks fault & that we had 3 pro bowlers on our line so it had to be him. Meanwhile in THE REAL WORLD right now we have the worst O line in the NFL!

  211. By Tom Spicer on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    We have some fans on this site who have no clue. There is a post above where a guy said Mark walked into a sack. GET A CLUE! WATCH THE GAME OR SIT WITH SOMEONE WHO KNOWS THE GAME SO THE CAN EXPLAIN IT TO YOU! Osi beat Brick around the end Mark stepped up into the pocket to aviod OSI which he did. Pierre Paul beat “THE TURN STYLE / BULL FIGTHER WAYNE HUNTER” & THE SECOND Mark stepped up he got buried by Pierre Paul. If you do not understand this get glasses, get your perscription checked or stop watching football because at this point YOU still do not understand it!

  212. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Woody for God sakes ,…Make a phone call to Parcells

  213. By John , 40 year fan on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    I am ready to throw in the towel …

  214. By ELI RODRIGUEZ on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    The Mayan were right after all, 2012 is the end of the world….. for the Jets!

  215. By RON ALEXANDER on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Allan O, I saw Rex too and it was painful to watch. I’m not sure Rex is the brightest bulb in the box but you could tell he knows what we are in for this year.
    64 is right on the money. As I have been saying it all starts at the top. Woody figured he could save money when he demoted Bradway and made Tanney the G.M.Problem is Tanney is a cap guy,not a talent evaluator so that is a majopr problem.I’m with 64 on this one. We need to reload like the Colts are doing now.
    Ely Rod, not sure about the Mayan’s but i sure hope its the end of Tannenbaum!

  216. By JET Fan For Too Long on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    Real Definition
    Offensive Line,
    To Protect the QB and give him time to find the right throws.
    Open holes for the RB.
    Rex,We will be ready when we play the Bills, NOT!!!!!
    Address the Problem
    Its not just Sanchez

  217. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Aug 20, 2012 | Reply

    RON A (what, the Jets getting worse makes you switch to CAPS?), there is no way this team does better than it did last yr and it’ll have to struggle to do even that. We could easily be 2-6 halfway thru the yr. So change will be coming, whether anybody on this site likes it or not. If neither Sanchez nor Tebow step up, don’t be surprised to see us unload them both, save a ton of money, and hire a new HC who’ll pick his own QB to go up against McElroy, who shoulda been handed the #2 spot this yr to begin with while MS was given the whole yr without the Tebow distraction to show us once and for all what he’s got.

  218. By Tom Spicer on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, You just dont get it Brady, Rodgers or Brees could be our QB & it would not matter. If EVERY time you drop back to pass you get hit in 3 seconds GOD / JESUS could be our QB & it wont MATTER!

  219. By SCfromNY on Aug 21, 2012 | Reply

    I’m sorry BUT it does matter who the QB is. I have watched Luck and Mallet under constant pressure due to OLs not as good as ours should be. Guess what? They made plays, scored points, and moved the ball. Yes there were picks and mistakes BUT better throws on the hole. I will agree it is not just Sanchez. I can not beleive the poor line play. Something is wrong that we are not being told.

  220. By Jet Blue on Aug 22, 2012 | Reply

    Last word for me on the O-Line: The Steelers have not protected BenRoth but he always finds a way to make a play. Remember the AFC Championship Game when the Steelers went for it on 4th down near the end of the game, instead of punting. Ben rolled out and made the play. Jets never saw the ball again…..or the Super Bowl as Rex guarenteed.
    Sanchez has shown that even when he gets time, he makes bad decisions and panics. He never seems to have the timing down with his WRs. YACs are rare for this offense because the ball is either thrown behind the WR or he has to jump to get it. Sanchez is not the only problem, but he is certainly not the solution.

  221. By Jack on Aug 22, 2012 | Reply

    RB, Maurice Jones-Drew reportedly is open to being traded. HELLO Mr Tannenbaum Rex Rayn talk ans talks about the Ground and Pound PLEASE make the right move and make a trade for Jones – Drew make him a Jets by next week.

  222. By Tom Spicer on Aug 22, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Blue, 1 Marks throw to Holmes in the Lion game to win it in overtime major YAC on that play. 2 Marks throw to Holmes for a TD in the Brown game again to win it in overtime also major YAC on that play 3 Marks throw to Braylon in the playoff game vs the Pats for a TD again major YAC. Do you want me to keep on going?

  223. By RON ALEXANDER on Aug 22, 2012 | Reply

    jACK, do you really think Tannenbaum is capable of completing a trade for M.J.D and not screwing it up? Come on dude, Tanney would trade our next 3 #1 pic’s for a 29 year old running back who although a heck of a player is definately playing the back nine of his football career.Hey, if we could get him for Greene and mabey McElroy i would be cool with that. I know they have no interest in Tebow or Hunter so dont even bring that up.S.C.Joe, i liked what you said to 40John earlier. Good stuff my man!

  224. By Jack on Aug 22, 2012 | Reply

    RON,,, M.J.D, is 27 year old not 29 and yes he a very good back might be a HOF someday. Don’t think jets would have to trade any players to get MJD. I would think Jets would send a 2nd or 3rd rd to the Jags for M.J.D. or I would trade Joe McKnight for M.J.D maybe throw in Calvin Pace or Bryan Thomas.

  225. By RON ALEXANDER on Aug 23, 2012 | Reply

    Jack, my bad! I figured 6 years in the league he would be about 28-29 as most of these guys red-shirt a year which makes them 22 -23 when drafted(like Shonn Greene)Even still, I have no confidence in Tannenbaum to do anything but screw up this opportunity. He loves the “Big names” but our biggest need right now is for our O-line.What makes you think Jacksonville will give him to us for anything less than Shonn Greene plus a #1 pick? I dont see this happaning though he would make us a lot better this year no doubt!

  226. By SCfromNY on Aug 24, 2012 | Reply

    We should NEVER give up a #1 or #2 for anyone this year. I have a feeling we will be drafting VERY high. Tanny will probably mess it up anyway.

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