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A Few Other Factors Affecting the Pass at PIT?

Posted by Randy Lange on September 17, 2012 – 2:43 pm

Updated, 5:34 p.m. ET

What happened to the Jets’ passing game after the first quarter Sunday in Pittsburgh? “Throwing and catching,” as Mark Sanchez said. But maybe there were a  few other things.

The Steelers got much credit for their press coverage on the Jets receivers and that certainly was in play as the game wore on. But the press wasn’t in evidence on the Jets’ first drive, when Sanchez hit four of his first five passes. Santonio Holmes had two catches on the drive, including his TD, Jeremy Kerley one and Clyde Gates his first reception as a Jet. All got into their routes unbumped by the dropping Pittsburgh DBs.

What else happened? Before Sanchez threw his sixth official pass of the game, he took a helmet-to-helmet shot from LB Lawrence Timmons early in the second quarter.

Rex Ryan was asked at his news conference today back at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center if he thought the hit was malicious.

“No,” the head coach said. “It was a helmet-to-helmet hit. It should have been flagged, and it was.”

Sanchez said the same after the game.

“I was kind of on the move. He got a good shot at me,” the QB said. “That’s the way it goes. It’s a physical game. It was a good shot, no doubt about that. Stuff happens. It’s part of the game.”

It’s interesting to note that in Sanchez’s first five quarters of the season his passing line was 23-for-32 for 346 yards, four TDs, one INT and a 133.6 rating. From the head shot on, his line is 6-for-22, 58 yards, no TDs, no INTs, 39.6 rating.

We’ll see later this week if Timmons gets a league fine for the high hit. Meanwhile, Sanchez needs to shake off the cobwebs and try to regain that magic touch. The return of TE Dustin Keller would help, although Ryan had no update on Keller’s hamstring. The Dolphins also could cooperate — their passing defense has yielded 313.5 net yards per game, tied for 30th in the NFL.

Mac Attack

Garrett McIntyre played perhaps the game of his career vs. the Steelers, and that would of course include his two years of games in the Arena League and two more seasons in the CFL. Getting the start for Bryan Thomas (ankle), Mac was in on the first two sacks of his NFL career and also was credited with 2.5 tackles for loss on three Pitt running plays.

“It was bittersweet because, obviously, of the outcome,” he said. “But it’s been a long road for me. I had a pretty good feeling before the game, just one of those gut things, that I was going to get my first one. I was happy to do so. And the second one, that’s just icing on the cake. But it’s never as good when you lose.”

“It’s just that he plays hard,” Ryan said today. “He’s one of those guys that we always say plays like a jet. That first sack, he did a tremendous job, ran the stunt perfectly, ran over the center, redirected, made the sack. I thought it was tremendous. He’s a guy who keeps going. Every single play he’s going to give you everything he’s got. He’s probably not the best space player of all time, playing in space like a Calvin Pace, but there’s very few like that. But he can play. He’s a ball of energy and I think that’s good for us.”

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Ryan wasn’t leaning one way or the other publicly about Darrelle Revis’ return to action from his mild concussion for the Dolphins. Asked about such a return, he said today, “I don’t think you can assume that. He has to be up to the NFL standards, he has to pass those tests. Right now he looks to be doing well, so hopefully he’ll be playing.”

Ryan also didn’t have updates on Keller, on RB Shonn Greene’s head injury (although Greene came back at the start of the second half), or on FB John Conner (ankle). “I know he was limping around pretty good after the game,” he said of “Concrete.”

Vlad Ducasse got in 10 snaps at LG for Matt Slauson at Pittsburgh. “We’re giving Vlad an opportunity to play,” Ryan said. “It’s the same on defense. You’ll see Demario Davis, Josh Mauga in there. If you have a good football player, you should use him. Vlad’s earned the right to play some.” Said Ducasse: “I felt pretty confident. A couple of plays I could’ve done better at, but that’s thing, keep getting better.”

After two weeks, the Jets’ defense is in the middle and even the back half of the NFL pack when it comes to rankings. With tonight’s Denver-Atlanta game ending Week 2, the Jets are 16th in total yards allowed, 22nd vs. the run, 15th vs. the pass, 31st in third-down efficiency, and tied for 22nd in points allowed. His advice to critics: “Hey, bet against us. That’s all I’m saying. We’ll see where it ends up.”

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180 Responses to “A Few Other Factors Affecting the Pass at PIT?”

  1. By Jersey Joe on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, I noticed the same thing Randy, that hit was like a knock-out punch to the Jet passing game. Several receivers dropped catch-able balls, Mark clearly was rattled and Cumberland has to learn to recognize a blitz better (as do all Jet players) to avoid getting hit in the back by the football. Did not see Maybin or the rookie Davis, their speed may have helped the pass rush a bit. Jet linebackers look slower and less agile than other LB’s around the league, they may have to address the need for speed again next draft in this pass crazy NFL. A little more Tebow might have helped extend a couple drives in first half when the Steel curtain came down on Mark, Holmes and Co. They need more Tebow @ TE and slot formations!

  2. By Frank on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Randy did you see the shot to the head Alex Smith took last night? Bleeding and all drove the length of the field for a TD vs an elite team. Picking up from last year this team and Sanchize-not come up small in the big games vs. winning teams its just that simple. Last week I said lets wait for the accolades until this week. Well guess what….they didn’t get it done and the Steelers were missing their two best defenders in Harrison and Polamalu. Big Ben was getting harrassed all game yet kept making plays thats the difference between a lousy QB and an elite QB.
    Comparing Pace to McIntyre is also a joke. Pace drastically over paid never had a game as good as McIntyre did yesterday he was a beast and should be starting.

  3. By Frank on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    I said we needed to add a RB in the offseason…I mentioned Benson a few times and he played great with the Pack vs. the Bears on Thursday catching a few clutch passes out of the back field and running well. Why is McKnight not out there? I don’t get it. Gee Rex rotating Ducasse in is working great take Tebows run out of the equation and the running game was an abomination. Landry for all his “hard hitting” can’t cover anyone and neither can Bell and and Pace.

  4. By joe on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    To ALL the high school coaches and JET DREAMERS living in a FANTASYLAND hate to say i told you so BUT.Changing CORDINATERS- coaches AT THE NFL MEANS -DOES NOTHING Talent wins games (no oc at this level knows more about football than another )It has been YEARS since the JETS BEAT A WINNING TEAM.Untill we get an ELITE QB IN HERE NOTHING WILL CHANGE AND THE RECORD REFLECTS THIS

  5. By Christopher on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    I thought the game plan was horrible. I put this loss on the coaches. Of course it never helps that the receivers couldn’t catch anything and our defense still cannot tackle. Not sure why Tebow didn’t get more opportunities, it is like they were scared he would be successful and pulled him out.

  6. By joe on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    PS WHEN FACED WITH A QUALITY OPPONET SANCHESZ looked exactly like the QB SCHOTTY COACHED .Interesting TONY SPARANO hasnt really done anything here .For some strange reason he cant give SANCHEZ BEN ROTHESBURGER ABILITY .

  7. By Christopher on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    I also do not understand Rex’s reasoning for Coples? Because Pitt was too big? Then why draft him in the 1st round if he is “too small” to play every down?

  8. By joe on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply


  9. By Ray Carey on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Why did the Steelers beat the Jets? Answer: The Jets. Maybe it was because of that helmet to helment hit but Sanchez was terrible for the last three quarters. His passes missed by so much he should have been taken out just for that reason. I personally would rather see McElroy get a chance but even Timothy T. couldn’t have passed worse than Mark Saqnchez did. Shonn Green is no Curtis Martin and I’d take Plaxico over Hill. The basic problem with the Jets is Rex’s big mouth: “Bet against us”- Will do coach and Mike Tannebaum who wouldn’t know a talented player if he ran like Danny Woodhead. Jeez Woodie- your going to be buying up alot of your own seats to avoid the TV blackout if you don’t get a talented GM and a real coach-Gruden maybe

  10. By scjoe on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    IF, your QB happened to get hurt on a given play that impairs his judgement, or effects his ability in any way, YOU TAKE HIM OUT!! The fact that there is not a viable option at that position is on the FO. I am not a doctor or a HC but personally I don’t think that hit was a factor in Sanchez performance the rest of the way. I think it was more a function of him not being able to read the defensive changes Pit through at him, you know, like Big Ben did. Also have to agree with the masses about the ridicules decision to run out the clock with almost a minute remaining and 2 TOs at your own 31. C’mon man, be aggressive, like most other teams would have in that spot.

  11. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Not much of a silver lining, I know, but good to hear Rex say that “Vlad’s earned the right to play some.” These high draft picks aren’t gonna do us any good sitting on the sidelines while our aging vets screw up, as someone posted today, but of course I’ve been on the Jets for their lack of faith in their draft picks for a long time.

  12. By scjoe on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Randy, Rex mentioned getting guys like Demario Davis and Mauga in to the mix, but I did not see either on the field at all yesterday, I know neither had any tackles or assists, was either of them even active?

  13. By Randy Lange on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, Josh Mauga got in for six plays on defense, Demario Davis for four. Both played 20 plays on special teams.

  14. By ron alexander on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Wow! What a difference a week makes? I’m not gonna get too worked up about this one as I pretty much saw this coming. With last weeks walk-over vs. the Bills and Pitt losing to Denver that vibe was not working for me.I was out of town playing golf with my brother in Berlintgon Vt. and havn’t seen the tape yet but obviously Sanchez laid an egg after the 1st qtr. I guess we need Revis more than some of us imagined as the stats say Ben lit us up pretty good? Hard to believe we could hold them to 66 yds on the ground and still lose by 17 pts” Looks like Coples took the game off? Only 1 asstist,no tackles?Can anyone hear the N.Y.press starting with the Gholston comparisons?

  15. By Steve D on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets need to get McKnight involved in the base offense as a runner and check down option . Against pressure defenses they also have to have TeBow in to slow the rush down and also throw a few passes now and then. As soon as Sanchez did nothing at the start of the second half it should have been TeBow time.

  16. By since shea on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    I put this loss on the coaching, offensive and defensive. We did not adjust to their corners bumping our receivers on the line after the first drive. We did not go 4 and 5 wide like Peyton did last week to loosen up their D. We did not go with targeting big speed receivers like Hill and Schillens and even the Miami speedburner. Big receivers wont get bumped as badly as a 5″10″ Holmes. Why was he targeted so much? Because we wanted to make him look good against a former team? Lets be intelligent. Lining up 4 and 5 wide spreads out their linebackers and prevents them from blitzing. We could have found great match ups like that! As for defensive coaching? Doesnt cover 2 mean that the up back covers the receiver tight knowing …cont.

  17. By robertpapalia on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    I said that before the season started that the Jets would win 4 or 5 games. The main reason for that is in my opinion is the qb play. Mark Sanchez is simply put not a good qb. When he comes up against really good teams he folds like a cheap suit. And Tim Tebow is nothing but window dressing. This will be shown in the next 4 or 5 weeks. No matter who is the coach or gm next year they need to draft a qb in the 1st round. They never will win anything with these qbs or for that matter with this present regime. The Jets are one of the worst mismanaged teams in sports history. After all what else explains 1 Super Bowl appearance in 43 plus years?

  18. By since shea on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    knowing that the deeper back picks up deeper coverage once the receiver blows past the up back? Why was Cromartie giving 7 to 9 yards of space to Wallace even though they were in cover two alot? No adjustments? Did our defense throw the kitchen sink at Ben? Yes we blitzed some and missed him some. But we went easy! Why? No Revis? No Coaching Adjustments! We could have won this game! Our guys and yes, Sanchez, were good enough had they been coached correctly to put them in a position to win.

  19. By scjoe on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, not sure how many plays Coples was in for, maybe Randy could tell us, but that in no way shape or form cost this game. Now, that said, did anyone happen to watch the NE/Arizona game yesterday? Tell me how you can not come away impressed with the play of Chandler Jones? The 3 tackles and 2 assists do not tell the whole story, he was in the backfield consistently, had one forced fumble and drew numerous holding penalty’s. This guy is the real deal. Hopefully, Coples can be as well.

  20. By Randy Lange on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, Quinton Coples was in for 16 plays on defense at Pittsburgh.

  21. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    The return of joe, CAPS and praise of elite QBs and all! (Not that I see it any differently than him on that second point.) Hey Randy, I know it’s easy to give a 100% optimist like Arte the fan’s take column, but I think it would be just as interesting to give it to joe one week. Certainly wouldn’t be boring!

  22. By scjoe on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    I have said since the Shottenheimer “release” that I would be keeping a close watch on the St.L Offense this season, well how about Bradford, 26 of 35 for 310 yds and 3 TDs for starters? Not enough? How about 452 total yards of offense and a come from behind win? Gee, it is amazing how quickly Shottenheimer learned how to coordinate a pro offense effectively. Wonder why he couldn’t do it the past 3 years in NY?

  23. By jet fan jay on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    number one factor to the jets passing game ! # 10 holmes is a bum ! i have said this before and ill say it again , he is a cancer a one team wrecking crew ! not sure how many targets he has had and how many drops he had . i will tell you this i agrre with coach mike singeltary when he said ” cant win with him ” i want winners ” just watch ” or course he was saying it about his 49ers , it applies to # 10 . we had a honeymoon period with him , then ………. this is what we have now. please at least bench him sit him whatever you want to call it ! bring in plax ! bring in branch ! even to would be better than # 10 ! he is a cancer to this team !

  24. By wayne on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    AS expected Big Ben gave the pass rushers more than they bargained for…..As predicted. Coverage was what was most needed….lacking…..GQ will never be Ely, sadly I must admit…..Has nothing to do with the numbers………SPICER!!!!!!. It’s all between the ears. He got rattled. Gets rattled. He’s got to find a way to become the difference. As opposed to how someone here loves pointing at everyone else on the team for GQ’s failure……Ely had a bunch of drops and ints Sunday………………………….Jets didn’t lose this game because of Quinton Coples…………………CALL THIS GAME, THE REALITY CHECK.

  25. By tampajet on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Disappointing lost but the run D played well and the run game was ok. Sanchez i thought played well ,lots of drops and the rook went invisible.Rex called some great blitzes and we missed on 4 i can remember .If we can be 5 and 3 by mid season we will be fine.Its a work in progress and i like what i see.Go JETS!

  26. By SCfromNY on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Well the euphoria lasted 1 week. Tackling was again a problem as was any pass rush along with poor coverage. Cro should have easily stopped Wallaace’s catch. The problem is Rex thinks he has a #1 D and he doesn’t. Last year it was #5 BUT 22nd in points allowed. Points are important. Wasn’t this the week we were suppossed the unveil the rest of the Wildcat? Where was the no huddle? Pitt has an older team and keeping them on the field would be good? Other than Tebow’s run the only other decent run I saw was McKnights. Changing direction and moving FAST to gain 12 yards. Why wasn’t he in more? So many questions so few answers. BTW . . . The refs did not help. And the Pats lost and we lost a chance to go 1 up early. The 49ers game will be bad.

  27. By joe on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    lol TOO BAD we actually have to beat GREAT TEAMS to win the SUPERBOWL. Cant the league give us some kind of trophy for beating teams like Miami Buffalo Clevel ect

  28. By Another Tom on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Our biggest flaw was exposed again ( Coaching )…This team lacks leadership..from top to bottom. It seemed like We gave up when the Steelers gained momentum..We did have a few nice punts though..I agree with another comment referring to letting McElroy get snaps..

  29. By Another Tom on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    I am convinced that Revis is worth every penny…

  30. By joe on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Hate to say it boys BUT ANOTHER 500 SEASON is probably not enough to get REX, MIKE T and Sanchez out of here .WE NEED A 4-12 DEBACLE to pericipate a regime change .Then and only then will it be possible to get a GM in here TO DRAFT A REAL QB to compete with the BRADYS ROGERS ROTHESBURGERS of the NFL.I forot Tebow. In typical SAME OLD JET (WE HAVENT WON ANYTHING IN 40 PLUS YEAR) FASHION MIKE T and REX STOLE him from Denver .I wonder why Elway LET SUCH A QB GO FOR NOTHING .Rex and Mike T ( who not won so much as a division title )surely know more about quarterbacking than John Elway

  31. By Jake on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez had alot of balls on target in key situations to extend drives but Holmes would get blasted and dropped the ball. I don’t think It was all on Sanchez. Yes he missed some throws… badly, but Hill couldn’t get off the Jam and beat single coverage and Holmes played his heart out but with no TE option and a second wide reciever that was non-existant Homles was the only viable option and he got knocked out every time the ball was thrown his direction. I thought Wilson played well enough but we have a major problem with out nickel and dime coverages. Lankster go beat like a drum and our LB’s couldn’t cover anyone. The poor tackeling was fatigue from being on the field so long. I’m not worred about that yet. we need Revis

  32. By Jake on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    games like these are a good gut check for the young guys on this team. fortunatly, some how Arizona beat NE so we don’t fall behind the 8 ball so early. Going into this game I just had that feeling that it wasn’t a green and white day. going against that defense will only help improve Hill’s play. I predict Hill to have a good bouce back game against Miami next week. looking at the up coming games, they have to beat the dolphins, it’s going to be a disaster if they don’t. With Houston, SF and NE in our near future… we have to beat the ‘fins. The key to beating them is controling Reggie Bush, make Tannehill beat us and there is no was that can happen. I would double up fasano every chance I could. Watch for Hartline also over the middle.

  33. By joe on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    SC JOE the 2 minute drill ENDING THE HALF displayed for all the EXACT CONFIDENCE REX HAS in SANCHEX (who he traded up to draft )We all know REX feared a turnover if HE TURNED SANCHEZ LOSE AND ALLOWED HIM TO THROW .In typical REX FASHION he deferred the call on to TONY SPARANO. FIRST WERE GOING TO GROUND EM THEN WERE GOING TO POUND EM LOL .For some strange reason i dont think the Pittsburgh Steelers were too intimidated with REXS entire PLAY LIKE A JET MYSTIQUE The so called culture change that REX has brought here has resulted in a total of 0 titles of any kind in his 4 years here .As a matter of fact i dont think we have beaten a winning team since 2010

  34. By Viveca on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Rex is a highly regarded defensive mind, and still during the years with the Jets he hasn’t been able to teach tackling. One of the worst in the missed tackling department is ‘teacher’s pet’ Bart Scott. Also we haven’t had a great runner since Curtis Martin.Some things with this organisation never seem to change.I like Rex a lot, but not sure he should be a HC.
    Why is it that a team like Pitt who always drafts well get players that fit their system- tough, hardnosed guys. Did you notice how their recievers hung on to the ball no matter how hard they were hit? Sucessful teams knows what to look for in players. They have a plan, not sure we do!

  35. By joe on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Frank GREAT POINTS regarding the QB mess we got here.

  36. By Jetlag on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    I watched this whole game and I don’t think Sanchez was the problem, I think he played pretty well the whole game. The problem I saw was receivers being hit with the ball and not catching it! How many drops did Holmes have in this game? I saw several. For the guy who bitches at not getting the ball passed to him enough, he sure dropped a bunch! Also, bonehead plays like a certain safety hitting an opposing player out-of-bounds TWICE didn’t help either! Lots of unfinished tackles that looked like at times the Steelers had grease on their uniforms! This game would have been a lot different if the receivers would CATCH THE BALL!

  37. By Jetlag on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Also, where was the pass rush? The game-plan was to let Big Ben just sit back and pick you apart? Why wasn’t Maybin playing? Where was Coples? Where was McKnight in the running attack? He has a knack of getting yards. In one stretch, 3 wildcat plays in a row? Really? Tebow doesn’t look too happy out there at times knowing he isn’t the starting QB. I don’t see him being here after this season.

  38. By dougmc on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Steelers are one of the better teams in the league and we had a shot at them. Hail Mary to Wallace put game away. Rothlesberger is a giant and makes plays last longer. It’s early in the season and we are a young “O” with new coordinator. Win the games we should win and grow into this. When the line jells and Hill comes around, we have a good to very good offense. We don’t have a great QB or RB, but if the “D” can hold teams to 2 to 3 scores, then the “O” needs to get 3 to 4 scores. (TD’s-FG’s) We can pull out a few wins where we’re the underdog and make the playoffs with 10+ wins. Patriots lost to Cards so anything is possible. Get back on the horse…JETS…JETS…JETS…

  39. By No one cares what Blinka thinks on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Maybe it because couples dogs it in practice?
    Didn’t he have this sort of reputation in college?

    Eh, who cares what I think,

  40. By Gregg from CA on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Wow… Nice to see such a clear-cut consensus on here. “The coaches don’t matter, all we need is a better QB” – “The coaches blew the game” – “Mark blew the game” – “Not having Revis blew the game” – “Not playing Tebow blew the game” – “Not playing Coples more blew the game”.

    Let’s take a step back and realize that a LOT of factors went into the loss. Regardless of what anybody says, I think Mark played the rest of the game looking out his left earhole. On blitzes, receivers didn’t switch to their hot routes – that’s not on Mark, that’s on Cumberland, Powell, and Holmes. Howard showed he’s human and played swinging gate a few times. The team wins together, they lose together – give them a week and see how well they fix things.

  41. By Gregg from CA on Sep 17, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Randy, since we’re throwing out snap counts, I haven’t heard Maybin’s name either week. I would have thought he’d be perfect for harassing Ben, instead we got McIntyre all day. Was Maybin even on the gameday roster?

  42. By George on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    What a let down, we had the lead for something like 29 minutes, as small as the lead was, then we almost started to wave the white flag. Can’t afford to let that crowd back in the game right before the 1/2 and run the clock down and not play to the end, what the hell?

    how about the punt or KO to us when we had no one lined up to catch? What did we expect a touch back again? Ok so we wait over a 1/2 of a game to see T. Tebow and he has a nice run for 22 yds and we don’t see him again? We were way to plain vanilla. Nothing daring or exciting and no trickery in that game plan. Let Tebow pass & run.
    Why didn’t we pass to the RB’s either?

    I thought all the players in their post game interviews were as lame as their play also

  43. By Karan on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, don’t worry about Mark Sanchez, he just had a bad day, the whole team did really. Schotty was the problem whether you believe it or not. The coaching yesterday by Rex was poor though, Mark played poor to besides from the first drive. They need more McKnight and Tebow at running back for sure. Don’t count out Mark yet, its only game 2, loooong season, there will be ups and downs, and we have to hope for the up’s.

  44. By Jet Fan Since' 64 Tom on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry, Spice, another good quote from Cimini, and touching on the PIT playoff loss you seem to think was everyone’s fault but Sanchez: “At the end of the 1st half, the Jets got the ball at their 31 with 57 seconds left and 2 timeouts at their disposal. There was more than enough time to drive for a score, but Ryan and Sparano decided to eat it. They ran 2 plays and headed to the locker room, down 13-10. Ryan said they would’ve taken a more aggressive approach if they had popped the first run. Ultimately, they decided to play conservatively because they were getting the ball to start the 2nd half. You can’t help but wonder if the bad memory from the 2010 AFC Championship Game — a strip sack returned for a TD — factored into his decision.”

  45. By Arte Olde School Section 327 on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    It’s a game of inches boys and girls.. If you continue to cry over losing why don’t you move to Buffalo or any other team that doesn’t win the Super Bowl. How about moving to with New England??? They lost to Arizona!!! Are you serious?? New England is cooked and done. Without Hernandez now, no way they beat Baltimore this week. Brady is like Manning. Past his prime and cannot execute without protection just like ANY ELITE QB. Even the great Eli had to have a great 4Q comeback to NOT go 0-2. Stop all of your negativity and complaining. When we meet Pitt again with Revis it will be an entirely different story. No way Big Ben has all of those just miss 3rd down conversions w/ Revis. No time to panic folks. Sparano & Jets will DESTROY Miami!!!!

  46. By Arte Olde School Section 327 on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    JETS WIN DIVISION & DOMINATE FOR YEARS TO COME!! BET ON IT!! NE IS DONE!!! The NFC is another story. Atlanta looks much the best. Catch me in December!!
    HEY JOE, where you’re going with that LOOPERin your hand?? Watch how meaningless coaching is in New England now that O’Brien is coaching in college. After Hernandez went out McDaniel was lost. NE is NOT the same team now that O’Brien, an offensive genius is gone. Yes JOE, coaching means nothing. You are right though Big Ben was the best last Sunday and you can’t coach that.

    I wish I had all of your posts when the Jets were massacred vs. NE and then given another chance Rex dialed up the defense to win a BIGGER game a few weeks later. There’s a reason to say “ANY GIVEN SUNDAY!” BET?!

  47. By marcus c boyce on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply


  48. By JetBlue on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Hurry, hurry, step right up and get your tickets this week as Rex brings the circus to Miami to face the team that fired his new OC. Here is the true mystery of this Jets team: Does anybody really think they know what the outcome of this game will be? Blow-out? If so, which team does what to who? I don’t think one week is enough time to fix all that is wrong with the Jets. But then again, their worst games usually come after their buy week. NFL football is no doubt a physical game requiring high level perfermance from elite athletes. But the game also demands a strategy coming from the mind of a leader who understands his opponent as well as his own team. Wars are won before they are fought! This team needs to be coached.

  49. By JetBlue on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    RonAlex: Coples didn’t take the game off. Rex decided that he needed more meat on the line so he pretty much benched his explosive rookie. Good thing you didn’t see the game. With the Jets, you can’t go by the stats, as Rex would have you believe that they had a decent day running the ball, according to the stats. Needless to say that most of what they did came early in the 1st qtr and during garbage time when the game was already out of reach. I wish I was playing golf rather have to be subjected to another frustrating day of poor coaching, horrible tackling, and pitiful offense.

  50. By SCfromNY on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    For too long have we been making excuses for the Jets. The same tired comments from Rex and Sanchez. You watch other teams and they improve. Not every year but some really good years and then some bad. The Jets stay bad or medioce and sadly the fans are used to it. We blame QB, OL, D, STs and coaching. The sad thing is that the Jets get rid of players too soon and draft poorly. Why draft speed and youth only to have them sit on bench. The Jets are afraid to lose big so they don’t take chances to keep the loss close. I’ve been calling for McKight, the no huddle, and 5 WRs or a while but we stay with the same tired stuff. We all owe Shotty an apology.

  51. By SCfromNY on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Did Sanchez have a horrible game? Not really BUT what he didn’t do was stand up in crunch time and make some big plays. I will not blame Holmes for all the drops. We had so few receivers out the Steelers could tee off on them because they were always covered. Why can’t the “best defensive coach” teach his players how to takle? Look to the 49ers, a team that for years was losing and considered easy to beat. They hire a coach who knows how to play in the NFL, motivates players, look at Smith, and they are back to the attitude that theyexpect to win. The Jets and 90% of the posters conceed the division to NE and strive for 2nd and a wildcard. If you only strive for 2nd place, first place of the losers, you will never win.

  52. By SCfromNY on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Sadly we will probaly beat maimi by 7-10 points and Rex will cheer and say the jets are back. Then he will face the Texans, 49ers, and NE. wHERE WAS THIS GOOD RUNNING GAME POSTERS ARE TALKING ABOUT?

  53. By Karan on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    SCfromNy, Schotty owes us an apology from that 2010 disaster he called in the playoffs in Pittsburgh. He doesn’t deserve anything. Now, the offense just had a bad day, don’t assume the season is over from just one bad game. They need to mae adjustments and try to execute like they did week 1. And apparently, Pittsburgh knows how to play us, give credit to them, thats one heck of a team. I do agree with you on McKnight though. I prefer him to start over Greene. The guy is quick, I wish the staff could realize this.

  54. By Karan on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    I meant to say don’t assume the team will be ultimetly mediocre, theres still many many games to play.

  55. By SCfromNY on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry i seem to have a lot to say today. Rex’s news conference take aways. Sure we stopped Pit on running plays but then Ben converts 3rd down. We have issues with 3rd down as we did all last season.Rex’s answers seem to lack confidence. He gives the same answers we have been hearing for years just like Sanchez.He also seemed to react poorly to many questions which I feel is from frustration of knowing your problems but having no idea how to fix them. He probably could not take a demotion to DC so we could bring in someone like Gruden but he is clearly lost as HC.

  56. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    SCfromNY, I couldn’t have said it better, been saying it everyday, Yet the few here still giving every excuse, Sanchez had a bad day. Schotty a bad coach, Refs, hard time against a good team.. Hello, Every team has these same excuses, only they over come adjust, or when they realize they’ve made a mistake in drafting ie. Sanchez, wilson Vlad, they move on don’t wait until their team grows old waiting to become something they never will.. I have said many times given the right players, Coaching takes care of itself. for example> Little Bill in Cleveland then little Bill in NE Night and day. Did Bill know how in NE but not Cleveland . it’s all organizational, some coaching mostly bad decisions.. we need a new direction

  57. By JetBlue on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    I had to LOL when Jim Nance pointed out that it had been over two hrs, real time, since Sanchez completed a pass.
    Marcus Boyce: What game and what team were you watching? The reason why nobody sees that S Green is one of the best backs in the game is……wait for it……..becuase every other team, including the Jets, has at least one back that is better. Put the pipe down dude.
    Compare Sanchez to any starting QB in the league and the one thing he doesn’t have that they all do is instincts and football smarts. He should watch the film of Ben and see what a real QB needs to do under pressure. Some of it is coaching but a lot of it is instinctual. MS just doesn’t have it.

  58. By CJF on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    I wont even address the loss to the Steelers. Im over it. The focus now is on Miami. It’s a division game which is always huge. The Jets approach will be way different than it was towards Pittsburgh. I would like to see more of Tebow and McKnight in the read option plays. Why Joe doesn’t get more playing time beats me. We traded Leon Washington for the draft pick to get McKnight yet all he gets to do is return kicks. Also, Clyde Gates needs to get plenty of work this week as well as Chaz. Im sick and tired of Santonio Holmes. Same old cry baby who throws fits when he doesn’t get his way. Our D will need to make sure the tackle Reggie Bush or we will give up another 150+ yards rusher. GO JETS!!

  59. By Allan O'Dane on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    We needed this win against Pitt…we needed to prove we can play with the big boys….too many missed tackles..too many dropped balls..How many sacks did the NYJ D leave on the field? I posted last week that even though Landry is a beast he plays on that edge he has to have controlled chaos and he may cost a game with a personal foul. Playing an aggressive D like pitt a no huddle or shotgun or even quick 3 step drop passes would have been effective. Our D couldn’t get off the field and the O couldn’t make a 3rd down. Now, we play miami who we should beat but what about the 49ers and houston? we have to be able to beat these teams. Time for the NYJ to become one of the big boys….

  60. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Cont. Arte, you know how ridiculous your statement about NE sounds first given our record against them, second they’ve won 3 super Bowls their division tiles plus the 2 super Bowls lost, in only a decade. we have one in 43 years you really want go there? yet you keep giving us reasons why we lose and how good we’re going to become. How’s this I gave specific instructions to family members. at my demise it will be said here lye’s a man who stood by a team waiting for a Super bowl after 40 some odds years of waiting and hundreds of thousands of dollars all he got was excuses, Amen .

  61. By Bob on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    The NFL is a QB league. No matter what the OL, DL etc. does, if the QB has a good game, your team has a good chance to win. The elite QB’s make decisions/plays that make the other positions better. Ben Roethlisberger showed that this past Sunday. Mark Sanchez has not shown that he makes his other offensive players better. He depends on them to make him better. That is not a championship winning formula, unless you have the 2000 Baltimore Ravens or 1985 Chicago Bear defense, your QB will determine if you get to the Super Bowl.
    Unfortunately, no matter what Rex says, his defense isn’t that dominant.

  62. By Steve D on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    The Jet Offense professes that they are “ground and pound” yet they seem more interested in having Sanchez prove he can get the ball down field in the passing game. Utilizing Tebow and using mis-direction with McKnight will have the desired effect of tiring the defense and slowing their pass rush when Sanchez is in the game. They have to incorporate TeBow in and let him throw the ball once in awhile. Sanchez has proven over the last 3+ years that he is consistently inconsistent.

  63. By Jet Fan Since' 64 Tom on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    No word from Ira yet and over-the-top predictions of glory and of NE’s imminent downfall from Arte, so what else is new? joe, there’s no doubt a 4-12 season is better for the draft than 8-8 and no playoffs but you don’t play to lose. That said, this is why I’ve said since last spring if we go 2-6 you could see Rex gone and Tebow starting at some pt in the 2nd half of the yr, though I admit even I didn’t think TT would look as pathetic as he did in pre. My question is are we going to disappoint this yr in the same old ways — with Sanchez wildly inconsistent, Rex clueless on O, Rex making excuses for everybody, and Rex afraid to play the young guys. If we do that, we have nothing to lose by firing Mr T, Rex, MS, and TT and starting all over.

  64. By scjoe on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Unlike many of you, I put most of the blame for the teams failures (not only this past week, but in general) on players execution not coaching. Sure, there have been some lapses at times in play calling on both sides of the ball, but for the most part better execution would more then compensate for those lapses. Someone above said that MS had a good game, well, if 6 of 23 for 69 yards after the initial drive is considered a “good” game, then I am sitting here speechless. For many fans who already started the chant to start Tebow, all I can say is be very careful what you wish for. This coming from a fan that is not exactly pro Sanchez!

  65. By scjoe on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Oh, by the way, welcome back Joe CAPS!

  66. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    It’s classic, Fans still believe Schotty could possibly teach Sanchez to be Pro QB,must be same people blaming Bush for the economy and deficit agreed Schotty wasn’t the best , bu, he wasn’t the problem, he’s like any other OC give him the weapons and he will shine. let me try with facts yet again . First, Schotty is gone doing well in LA, next Callahan, gone Plax is gone, Edwards is gone LT is gone. T-Rich is gone. Joe Namath is gone. Sanchez still here, Holmes still here, Mike -T still here as a result same old team… to the trained eye they’re worse, What will you say if Sanchez can’t beat Miami. Schotty fault. Can’t always blame coaching

  67. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Cont. in a country nearing 50% on some sort of welfare government assistance trying to feed family’s, get a job. keep their homes These players making hundreds of millions thought out their careers. play a game I would gladly play for the love of… need to bare the responsibility Earn their money, do the job they’re brought in to do,problem is… as parents and society as a whole spoiled our kids more you give more they want, taking tantrums breaking contracts, getting rich from renewing contracts ,It’s time to put an end to the blame game put it where it blame belongs.

  68. By scjoe on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    To further enhance my post above about player execution, I will give a specific example, a very recent specific example, take a close look at the ending of the NE Arizona game on Sunday, one second remaining and a chip shot 42 yard FG can win the game, but wait! The PK misses the chip shot and the Pats lose the game instead of winning it. Just one of hundreds of examples in any given season. I rest my case!

  69. By Chicago Bob on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    How long was Alex Smith referred to as a bust by the so-called experts and now all of sudden he is the QB of possibly the best team in the NFL? Funny how an outstanding OL, All-Pro RB, All-Pro TE and a receiving corps consisting of Moss, Manningham and Crabtree will make you a better QB. Put Sanchez on the 49ers and they would be even better. Let’s break down the 49ers offense and the Jets offense and they are light years apart. Another thing, don’t get too caught up with Schotty and the Rams – let’s see how well they do in Chicago this Sunday against a Bear defense that although is getting old, is still capable of being one of the better units in the NFL. Don’t be surprised to see the Jets beat Miami by 2 touchdowns this Sunday

  70. By RON ALEXANDER on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, I wasn’t blameing the loss on Coples, just pointing out what I observed!He did nothing.Guys drafted well after him have excelled and he only plays 16 plays? Blinka may be on to something, mabey he dogs it in practice? Why is our #1 pick only playing 16 snaps? JOE, wow, no one hears from you in like forever, and now you return with a flourish?Come on dude, where were you after the Bills game? Hey, Mark did not get the job done this week but he had plenty of help screwing up this game.Can anyone tell me why Calvin Pace is still on this team?Has he tackled anyone this year?S.C.Joe, good point about Schotty in Aza, but its still early. He has done a nice job so far but I’m not sold quite yet.

  71. By RON ALEXANDER on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    64, your doomsday prediction has only one flaw,Mike Tannenbaum! If we do go down in flames (which I acknowledge is very possiable)my one concern is that Tanney is untouchable? If that is the case and seeing the early returns on Coples & Hill are less than sparkling to date, my question is;can we survive another Tanney draft debacle? We had 10 pic’s this year, traded 2 to move up for Hill which as of this moment is not looking so great.So we wind up picking 8 guys,4 of which do not make our great(?) roster?Now all of a sudden we are being told Vlad Ducasse has earned a chance to play? based on what, looking like a turnstile during the pre-season?

  72. By DKM on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Well we came back down to Earth quick this Sunday and rightfully so, i still dont think that the Steelers unbeatable, but most of the blame for this loss has to go to the Coaching stuff for not adjusting doing the game or at Halftime when it still was close.
    The first 2 possesions for the Jets worked out very well and showed some promise that it would continue from last week, but as soon as MS got hit by Timmons it was over, just like Green i believe they did an absolute horendous Job of evaluating if neither was be able to continue playing at 100%. I truly believe after MS cage was rattled it was over and how is nobody pointing out after last week with some help for Howard on the right side the jets got comfortable and left him on a cont.

  73. By Tom Spicer on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Did I just read that some posters said you cant blame Holmes for his drops? That he was gettig hit to hard! YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. He gets paid millions of dollars to catch the ball!

  74. By Tom Spicer on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, You Cimini post with your sorry Spice means nothing to me IF anything that is an inditment on Rex & Sparano for not playing to win!

  75. By Tom Spicer on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, You are comical at best last week Mark missed to many passes but he completed 70% that week. This week the Lions are a elite team when they made the playoffs 1 time in a decade LOL. Also Alex Smith is a game manager & it took him 7 years not to be considered to be a TOTAL BUST. Finally after 7 years he is just decent!

  76. By DKM on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Island by himself thinking he would be allright in th meantime he got beat by Woodley like a Drum even Nantz and Simms before the Half pointed it out and there needed to be some adjustments made. Once again the the Oline had a bad day. Also if you go at some Point 4 3 and outs in the row and fall behind like this in the third Q you have to pick up your passing game wich we did but where was the diversity from last week spreading and using all your targets is waht was sucsessful last week. The Steelers knew Holmes was our most capable Reciever and they went after him rightfully so. Show us you can beat us with your other weapons on a costant base, but not targeting Hill after his first Drop is clearly on the OC.

  77. By Tom Spicer on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, You said “Gee, it is amazing how quickly Shottenheimer learned how to coordinate a pro offense effectively. Wonder why he couldn’t do it the past 3 years in NY?” 2 things 1 you forgot to mention the 1st game where Bradford threw for under 200 yards 2 How did Schotty do with Farve that year? How did Schotty do with Chad for 2 years? See you tried (poorly I might add) to say it was the last 3 years but our O was sub par for the 6 years that he was with us & with 3 different QBS. 1 of which is a first ballot lock hall of famer!

  78. By Jerry on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Obviously we got out-slugged in this slug-fest, but conceiding before half ended the game right there. 1:05 w/ 2 time outs to travel 45 yards for a FG attempt? Instead we bageged it and what we were saying is that we have no 2-minute offense. When you play not to lose, you lose. Our issues (the past 3 yrs) we can’t get off the field on 3rd and long and it burned us again mid 3rd Q. If Cro turned around its an INT, or worst case incomplete and PIT kicks a FG, down 6 pts. Great coaches/teams are able to make half-time adjustments. In two games we have not made any. 21 points to BUF. 14 to PIT w/ no offensive adjustments. Press coverage is on tape as our achelies heel. Hill disappeared. Coples disappeared.

  79. By robertpapalia on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    You guys really don`t get it. Mark Sanchez is not a good qb. This will be born out when the Jets play Houston, San Francisco, and New England among others. I hope Woody is watching what is going on and not consumed by Romney`s losing campaign. If not he should seriously consider selling the team. The Jets wll never end their Super Bowl drought until real football people are running the show. Hopefully I will live to see that happen.

  80. By Tom Spicer on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, Is back WOW. I have a question for you where were you last week when the Jets rocked the Bills? EXACTLY! Anyway a coach does not make a difference REALLY! We had Mangini as our coach he was a former D coach for the Pats in his last year with us the D was 16th. 1 year later Rex takes over & adds to new players Leoanhard & Scott (neither of the 2 are world beaters) & all of a sudden we are the #1 D in the NFL in 2009! A coach does not make a difference WRONG!

  81. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe. your point on the helmet hit and taking Sanchez out. is spot on. what’s misleading in all theses stories . all over the league you see a player get hit like that he come’s out automatically, usually taken into the locker room for at least one examination. since the Jr Seyou Tragedy rest his soul, and all the law suits it’s almost a written law. am I Making any sense yet? This is why Rex and Sanchez are excusing their troubles away, with same old tired answers Instead of fixing the problem

  82. By Tom Spicer on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, You said the Jets have not beat a winning team in years & in a separate post you said we did not beat a team with a winning record since 2010. In January of 2011 just off the top of my head we beat. A 14 & 2 Pats team on the road in the playoffs & the very week before that we beat a 11 & 5 Colts team on the road in the playoffs as well. Both teams with elite QBS which a team with a elite QB supposedly cant be beat? Last year we beat the Boys & the Bolts who both did not have losing records? Go back on the meds! We will see you next time the Jets have a loss. WE KNOW YOU DONT SHOW UP WHEN THEY WIN!

  83. By DKM on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Also in my opinion Greene had no business coming out again anybody who saw how he stumbeld of the Field knew he wasnt quiet right. Powell did fine and he started at least rushing to the Edges wich Greene is just not for whatever reason doing. We still pounding it up the middle and did the steelers a favor.
    How do you not exploid Tebows mental edge on the Steelers from last year i dont care if you gain only 2 or 3 yards the fear alone that he could change the momentum in favor of the Jets would have been worth it. And im not a Tebow Fan, but if this would have been BB he would have taken advantage of it. No defense plays well if has to spend almost 40 min on the field so i cannot much say about that, Cro just had a awefull game.

  84. By Jerry on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Carried over from last season, it is so frustrating to watch the Jets display negative emotions on the field of play. Win or lose, every tackle S. Greene labors to get up, he is not 55 yrs old? An overthrow, and Holmes pouts? Get back on it, I mean you had about 15 targets last week. Or a 3 and out, Sanchez hangs his head? I don’t get it. Despite poor play, this game was every bit within our reach and they just didn’t want it enough. Not just the players, the coaches are guilty too. We are not using situational football to our advantage. I thought it was great for Rex to call TO before PIT scored end of 2nd, FG or TD from PIT we still have a shot, then we neal on the ball to carry us into half? Tomlin wrote a thank you letter after the game

  85. By DKM on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    I dont excpect us to win all 16 games but if we win our games against the likes of Buff, Miami, Clev, and take away a enough games against the better teams we are in the hunt, until we totaly on the Brinck of collapes im not giving up on the Season, i have to get something out of my expensive Tickets. If it unfolds like JFS64 thinks, it could be good too at least we in for long overdue change in the Frontoffice and then i have something to root for to.
    For now i root, criticise and complain like a good old Seasonticketholder supposed to.

  86. By DKM on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    What is interesting is that every Team wich came out raging last week beside the Falcons got a damper this past Sunday, Jets, Broncos, Redskins, Dallas, Patriots,
    and the Giants almost, and the Teams and the ones the Media likes to ride off on the beginning of the Season had a great Day, Miami, Cards, Bills, Rams, and the Bucs almost, see the pattern here, just saying.
    There is enough Football left for now to not stick your Head in the Sand.

  87. By Stevesc on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    If the Jet’s can beat Miami this week, no matter what Buffalo and NE do, they will be in first place by virtue of having won two division games. Just looking for something POSITIVE in this sea of NEGATIVITY. I’ve been a Jet fan since Joe Namath was drafted, so , with the exception of a few, I’ve been through the ups and downs of this team more than most. I see a lot of blame going to this player or that player, but the bottom line is you win as a TEAM or lose as a TEAM. That means ST, Offense and Defense. If you look at the loss to the Steeler’s, there were bad plays on all three squads. Stay positive fans, it’s a long season, so anything can happen…

  88. By SCfromNY on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    I like Rex BUT it’s time for him to show some anger and passion. It’s time to take some chances and shake things up. Why don’t we ever find elite QBs or WRs. We’ve had a few RBs but that’s it on O. Defense is the same. Every year Rex drafts the next Ray Lewis or . . . and it never happens. Our picks fall short of expectations and players taken later embarass us. By shear odds we should get a great player one day.

  89. By Allan O'Dane on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Time for Rex to start McIntyre and Davis…Thomas and Pace are too slow…and let the Powell run the rock use McKnight and Greene as change of pace. Why is it NYJ can’t beat the steelers? NYJ always comes up short against this team. What happened to all those crazy blitz schemes teams couldn’t figure out? NYJ are not aggressive enough. Hope Revis is back soon….

  90. By Karan on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Right on Chicago Bob! I’m with ya, 49ers have a TON of talent both in offense and defense. I guarantee you Sanchez has that kind of talent around him, we go deep in the playoffs. Anyone who questions his will, just remember the first two years. I will admit, I am loving this Kerley and Sanchez chemistry. They’re doing a fine job. Not underestimating the Dolphins, but the Jets should win next week and all will be right with the world. Then for at least a week, the naysayers and non-believers will be quiet.

  91. By Karan on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    I agree SCfromNY, Rex needs to show that passion again, the one he had in 2010. I think its great he’s toned it down, but I think he toned down a little too much. Passion passion passion for the game guys! Btw, Santonio Holmes is a bum.

  92. By scjoe on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    MJV, yes, you are making a lot of sense because if there is any threat of being concussed at all, that player does not return to the game, not in today’s NFL with the recent rule changes. So, that said, there had to be another reason for Sanchez’s complete collapse after that first drive and after that hit. A reason that a lot of folks just refuses to consider.

  93. By scjoe on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, seriously, you are trying to lead me to believe that Favre did not light the place up BEFORE his injury that one year under Shottenheimer? I think the stats speak for themselves in HIS case. Chad? He held his own. He made up for his shortcomings (rocket arm) with his smarts and his intangibles as a QB (under Shottenheimer) As for the Rams, sure, it is still early, BUT, take a close look at last weeks offensive statistics against a pretty formidable D. How many 300+ games did MS actually have in 3 years under Shotty? Bradford, with an entirely new system in ST L already has 1

  94. By joe on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer ALL LAST YEAR we did not beat a team with a winning record .NOT ONE(2010 was the last year we beat a winning team )AS FAR ONE NFL COACH knowing more Xand OS than another ITS A FANS FANTASY .The NFL is not your local high school PLAYER TALENT WINS SUPER bowls( I learned this from my moms cousin who was the D cord on the REDSKINS SB TEAMS.)Take the COLTS same team coaches last year minus Payton .HOW MANY GAMES LESS DID THEY WIN George Seiffort ,Chuck Noll Mike Sahanon Won HOW MANY SUPER BOWLS AND WENT OUT LOSING BADLY.Did they forget how to coach or did THE TALENT LEVEL ON THEIR TEAMS DIMINISH GREATLY.Shanahon with Elway was the in the SB how many times .Shannohan with REX GROSSMAN is horrible

  95. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Gregg. respectfully. Mark played most of the game through his ear hole?. I think you have the wrong team. Big Ben was under twice the pressure. constantly breaking tackles making something of every busted play there were many , including making Cro look like a rookie on a 3th and 16 TD he didn’t fold under the pressure he came from behind and won,.. Spicer Bolts and Boys both mediocre at best last season.we beat Colts against Mannings backup,and lost when he returned.. we beat NE like twice in like 5 years once With Bret Favre at the helm in NE sorry Bud would you like to try again

  96. By Jet Fan Since' 64 Tom on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    I meant sorry that Cimini is right again, Spice, not that the quote puts any of the blame for the PIT loss on Sanchez, whom as we know you wouldn’t blame for Armageddon. RON A, Hill looked pretty sparkling after the BUF game, now he doesn’t look sparkling after his 1st game vs one of the toughest, most physical D’s in the NFL, so? I guess it would be out of the question for you to suspend judgment on him until, say, halfway thru his 2nd yr as a starter? DKM, I don’t say we’re gonna go 2-6, I just say the way pro sports works now, as soon as you’re out of playoff contention you should unload the bench, not give a hoot if you win or lose and go for better draft position. Agree with ya on Rex’s weak record on developing players on D, SCfromNY.

  97. By joe on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer my old roommate is the head coach at the U .Do you think Nick Saben at Alabama for instance knows more xand os than Alfred or any other top level D1 coach. Nick Saben contends for the NAT CHAMPIONSHIP every year because he has the ability TO RECRUIT THE MOST PARADE ALL AMERICANS HIGH SCHOOL PLAYERS Get yourself A COPY OF NATIONAL RECRUITER MAG which ranks and grades recruiting classes SIMPLY PUT THE SCHOOLS WITH THE BEST RECRUITING CLASSES comtend for the NAT championships

  98. By SCfromNY on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, Sanchez would perform better if he was on the 49ers as well as other teams. The problem is that Rex and the boys have a difficult time evaluating talent and refuse to admit they were wrong. Decisions like the huge contract for Holmes, extension for Sanchez, money for Scott, and various signings and releases that make you scratch your head leave the team depleted with no way to sign prospects. Also players are not dumb. I would bet not many players would want to join the Jets given a choice.Football is an emotional game and lesser teams beat better teams all the time because they want it more. Players on the Jets see a lack of confidence, stuborn coaching, talent sitting on the bench and do you think they can dig deep down?

  99. By SCfromNY on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    At the end of the half the coaches showed they have no confidence in the QB and team. Do you think this would not effect the players? I bet even Tebow is sorry he came here. It can be changed but a major overhaul is needed not just bandaids.

  100. By joe on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply


  101. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer and the few who believe QB isn’t the oil which runs the machine.Sanchez love this kid as a person he’s great. QB not sorry , take the colts .. they haven’t had a losing season in how many years with P- Manning, no matter the coach, he gets hurt they go 1-15 .. Spicer you talk about Schotty Rams will have the better offense score more points and twice the yardage no matter what may come, I’ll make that a guaranteed please come one come all critique me,scold me, at seasons end if I’m wrong..I’m not scared .Far as A-Smith whatever the situation he’s the better QB I’ll say the same when MS comes into his own

  102. By Christopher on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Wow…doomsday in week 2? cmon…who looked at the schedule and had us going 2-0? Reality check…if we go 4-4 in the first half the schedule gets a little easier and if we go 6-2 in the second half we’re 10-6. I was hoping we would be better than that, but 10-6 would be acceptable.

    right now I question the coaching though…we will not get to 10-6 if the poor coaching continues.

    Note to Kerley, catch the ball first, that play killed any chance we had

  103. By joe on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez GOT HIS NEW OC IN TONY SPARANO against PITTSBURGH he looked like the identical SANCHEZ THAT WAS COACHED BY SCHOTTY LAST YEAR .His qb rating was BEYOND TERRIBLE If SPARANO could COACH A PLAYER- qb into being signifigantly better why DID HE GET FIRED IN MIAMI.WHY COULDNT HE COACH CHAD HENNE INTO BEING A BETTER QB .Fans come up with these lame theorys ,excuses but have no answer when they ultimately fail .The only thing that matters in the NFL IS WINNING THE SB Watch the way a BRADY ,ROTHESBURGER Manning plays the position in comparasion to SANCHEZ .Its BEYOND LAUGHABLE to believe a COACH,CORD IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING TO CLOSE THE TALENT GAP BETWEEN SANCHEZ AND REAL ELITE QBS

  104. By Christopher on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    SCfromNY…look at all the greats we passed on over the years…this organization is cursed when it comes to the draft…I think our luck for the decade ran out when we got Revis.

  105. By MIKE on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Rex wants a ground and pound team but the Jets don’t have all the personal to do so. 1)Greene really is a #2 back 2) there best playmaker on offence is a backup QB. 3) The Jets don’t have a thumper Guard on the roster like when they got Faneca. When Faneca left Pitt and NY, so did there run game.

    And on D, well, the Jets do have the CB tandem out there, but absolutely no pass rush. The Jets don’t have one legit pass rusher on D. Time to get those young guys in there. Davis, McIntyre and Coples. Even though Coples looks pretty horrible so far.

  106. By TONY GARCIA on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    JET fan since 1969, 2 games in and the world is ending.THIS team can do damage in afc east this year,NEW ENGLAND has line issues.WERE playing well just look around the league.

  107. By Tom Spicer on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, I understand even the best coach can not win without talent around him. But at the same time a good coach can make a player better Alex Smith was the first pick in the draft he was a total bust of epic proportions. In comes Jim Harbaugh & all of a sudden he is a decent QB. Also in January 2011 we beat a 14 & 2 Pat team on the road in the playoffs & a 11 & 5 Colt team on the road in the playoffs. With a healthy Brady & a healthy Peyton. Last year we beat the Boys & the Bolts who were both 8 & 8.

  108. By danny on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    To Know it all Joe…. A OC can make a HUGE difference with his play calling so stop trying to sound like ur right when ur 100 percent WRONG. That is absurd to say a OC can’t make a difference. Shotty couldn’t have a top 10 offense if he coached Peyton Manning in his prime. Go tell Bill Parcels and B B coaching means nothing in the NFL. Belicheck won Superbowls with arena football DB’s filling in and shut teams down but coaching means nothing. Shotty is horrible so like I said u can give him any Elite player you want and he will still call a 3yd out on 3rd and 5 hahahaahaha Amazing Joe and where were u last week ? U comment after a loss to Pitt who hasn’t lost a home opener in how long ??? Yes we fell apart in 2nd half

  109. By danny on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    And for all you guys ” Joe ” who never played football you don;t know the difference between a great Coach and decent coach. Just knowing a coach or player don’t give u any idea

  110. By harry-o on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    ya can’t play the bills every week
    but ya gotta play the better teams well, win or loose

    jets starting LBs may hit hard but are to slow to cover
    and thats a big weakness
    and tackling, what gives? its not like BEN is RG3
    and lastly dropped balls and bad penalties, landry is a beast but he hurt the team
    and most of those drops were catchable
    teams win together… and lose together

    beat up on the fins
    hang tough with the 49ers
    become that GANG GREEN !!!

  111. By MrJetGreen on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    Ok, there’s been alot said and much more dissected since the game at Pitt and its time for some rational sharing from MRJETGREEN!

    I want everyone to take a few deep breath’s, pull those little boy pant’s up about belly button high and breath out slowly….real slowly.

    Feel better now?

    The loss at Pittsburg is one game, one loss, already in the history books.

    Jets will regroup and go down to Miami to kick some……fish buckets.

    Settle back and be the little man you are, with the little pants, smiliing wide while those NY Jets move ahead to 2-1 atop the AFC East……….the beast of the East….NYJETS!

  112. By Tommy ohio on Sep 18, 2012 | Reply

    I was gonna take my daughter to the game in pitts. , since we are close but I decided not to because I knew what would happen and I didnt want anything to happen to my Wayne Chrebet jersey ………..yeah thats right a real jet player!!!!!…….our team is way to good not to have a QB …..I say by week four Tebow is the starter ,if the coches would of left him in ,we would have won ….period

  113. By Gregg from CA on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    1. Stop trying to compare Mark with Ben. Yes, Mark’s decision making in the heat of pressure could stand to improve, but let’s face it – he will NEVER attain the physical stature of Ben, he will never have the lifetime of being used to USING that size to his advantage, so comparisons are an unfair fantasy. He’s never going to extend a play by dragging a player across the field while they’re clutching his knees. Ben is somewhat unique – let’s leave it at that.

    2. This is WEEK TWO !! Yo Chickens Little, et al, the sky is NOT falling. New OC, new offensive coaches, new scheme – takes time for everyone to jell. Nineteen teams are 1-1 right now, and several are rated “better” than the Jets, so tune in next week to see what happens!

  114. By Gregg from CA on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    I’m not saying the Jets world is sunny and cheerful, but until the win/loss ratio drops to .333, I’m not panicking. I think there’s only room for improvement and adjustment, and if it hasn’t happened before the midpoint of the season and they’re 2-6 or worse, I’ll raise the surrender flag and start taking bets on how accurate Tom’s predictions are going to be. …grin…

  115. By IRA on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Too bad they had a good chance to get this one but just couldn’t get the job done. Thats the way it goes. Time to lick your wounds and get ready for the Fish who are never easy. This is a MUST win if not then this season can turn real quickly.
    Randy and others are right Mark was not the same after the hit to the head. Was that part of it ? maybe but the real part was Pitt made adjustments and the Jets had no answers plus the D got tired because they were on the field for close to 40 minutes.

  116. By kevin65fan on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Randy…

    Very nice article on Steve Sabol. Him and his father was truly pioneers in their field and helped more so than anyone in making the NFL to what it is today in popularity.

  117. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    danny., I have a question for you being you know more than the people your denigrating for their opinion. Why was Bill Belichick run out of Cleveland on a rail if all he needed was to be a good coach, I know I won’t get a legit answer just another story. anyway.. It’s really a multitude of factors which make a great team but intimately it’s the players who need to execute if they don’t all the perpetration from the greatest coaches are a wast, another thing, All these great coaches you speak of had great players every single one of them. It’s not the coach it’s the players

  118. By SCfromNY on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    I understand the many who say it is only 1 game and Sanchez was better last week. However it is not that we lost it is how. The same old problems epecially our old LBs spending time either missing or chasing tackles. Where is the famous Rex blitzes? Maybe we should look at Pettine having too much to say while Rex plays HC. With all Rex’s GREAT front 4 how come there is no pressure or blitzers miss tackles. Rex says the run game was good. Take away Tebow and mcKnights 2 plays and we gained 58 yards. If you can’t ground and pound you have to pass. Unfortunately they have to keep extra players in to help our “Pro Bowl OL” and send out few receivers making for an easy to defend O. If they don’t show something in Maimi they lose.

  119. By scjoe on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    For those of you who tend to downplay the loss at Pit. I urge yo to replay the game (if possible) pay close attention to what happened to the offense after that initial drive for a TD. It is called “making adjustments” It had little to do with MS taking a hit. It had more to do with his not being able to cope with the adjustments made by the Steeler’s D. Take a close look at the defense’s inability to get off of the field on 3rd down. Take a look at the coaches decision to run out the clock with almost a minute left in the half and TWO TOs. You can’t possibly win in today’s NFL playing scared. Was this game an anomaly or a trend? We will ALL have to wait and see.

  120. By Mike V on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Once again Sanchez can’y play from behind and that is inexcusable in a “franchise” QB. And what was the plan for Tebow? I hate to say it (beacuse I am not a TT fan) but he has and epitomizes all the toughness the offense has lacked since Favre. He looked good with two first downs in three plays THEN… nothing. What was the point of that? Another thing, how do we lose by 17 and not throw a pick? GO FOR IT!!! Throw the ball deep! No pick in a game like this… a 17 point loss… means you aren’t trying! (Or you are protecting your stats.) I’m sure Joe Willie is shaking his head in disbelief. I guess we are trying to win a Super Bowl Ravens style… in spite of the offense… which is probably impossible.

  121. By scjoe on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Danny, there was a bit of an oxymoron in your post above to Joe CAPS. You stated that an OC can make a huge difference with his play calling, yet you choose not to give (in so many words) any credit to Shotty for that offensive performance against the Skins pretty formidable defense.Lets remember, Bradford is in a completely new offensive system under Shotty and he has a 300+ yd game in his second start. Sanchez on the other hand had 3 in 3 full years under Shotty, one of those coming in an OT game vs Detroit.So, what exactly is your stance on Shottenhiemer as an OC? Do you think his system and his play calling had anything at all to do with ST. L putting up over 450yds?

  122. By Tom Spicer on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Jet Vet, In the 3 years that Rex has been with us we beat the Pats 3 times. 1 time at home in 2009 Rex’s first year as coach. The 2nd time was in Rex’s 2nd year we beat them again at home that was in 2010. Than we beat them again in January of 2011 in the playoffs on the road they were 14 & 2. So includng the playoffs in 3 years with us Rex has beat the Pats 3 times. Brady was healthy & playing for all 3 of those losses. Also in January 2011 we beat the Colts on the road in the playoffs & Peyton was healthy & playing in that game. So NO not nice try by me NICE TRY BY YOU! LOOK IT UP!

  123. By Jet Fan Since' 64 Tom on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Good example from Mehta on why it’s not all about the O line’s failure to protect MS: “Sanchez, who wasn’t under duress, looked comfortable as he fired on the run from the 31-yard line. But his pass sailed over Santonio Holmes’ outstretched arms in the end zone for an incompletion. The Jets settled for a field goal to take a 10-6 lead. But the missed opportunity was a killer. It was also the beginning of a forgettable stretch for Sanchez, who never recovered after that errant pass. Dick LeBeau made the proper adjustments, and Sanchez looked lost. There’s no telling what two touchdown passes on the Jets’ first two drives would have done for Sanchez’s confidence the rest of the way. Instead, he went 6-for-20 for 58 yards after that play.”

  124. By Tom Spicer on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    This game is a must win this week. I dont care if it is on the road. I dont care if it is against a divisional foe. After the Miami game we play the 49ers & the Texans. If we lose this week we are looking at potenially being 1 & 4. We will be talking about the draft at that point & starting Tebow. At that point you will say wow I thought our O was bad before now we have a O from the stone age!

  125. By Jet Fan Since' 64 Tom on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    I didn’t predict a disastrous season, Gregg, I said such a season wouldn’t surprise me and it would be the basis on which to unload Mr T, Rex, Sanchez, and Tebow. Of course, the best scenario is still for Woody to sell the team to a group of investors led by Curtis Martin, who raise the money to build a Jets Stadium in Queens or Nassau County, thus rebirthing and rebranding the Jets and getting us out of this second-class status that we’ll always have in NJ. Then we can get a new QB and build a new team around the younger guys, trading Holmes and Revis, allowing Greene and Keller to go somewhere else, and cutting all the aging dead wood. Would take a few yrs but be well worth it, we’re going nowhere under the usual cut-and-paste approach.

  126. By Jet Fan Since' 64 Tom on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Yup, scjoe, re that failure to use that last minute before the half, one of the things I dislike most about Rex as a HC is that he talks tough but plays scared. Still don’t get why so many folks can’t see that…or won’t see that…

  127. By No one cares what Blinka thinks on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with you about woody selling. Never going to happen. You got to question his judgement. West Side Stadium, please!
    PSLs for Jet fans, please. most Jet fans cannot afford PSLs even in a great economy. We’re mostly from Queens and Long Island and have working class jobs. He has given away the home field advantage with Giant fans wearing Jet caps.

  128. By scjoe on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    I hate to even think of this, but with Miami up next, what will prevent Reggie Bush from exploiting the lack of speed on the Jets defense this week? We saw what Spiller did in week #1. We saw what Bush did against Oakland in week #2, will there be changes made personnel wise? Rex claims Scott is banged up, Pace is banged up, we know Thomas is banged up as well. What better opportunity can there be to start McIntyre AND Davis and let the 2 old gents rest? They may not have the entire defensive package down pat yet, but their speed as opposed to Pace, Scott, and Thomas may just control Bush. Also give Revis another week, because it is a given the Miami passing game will not decide this game.

  129. By joe on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Mike JET FANTASTIC POSTS (.How about we TRADE SANCHEZ FOR BRADY and see if BELLICHICK WINDS UP IN THE SUPER BOWL EVERY YEAR )Mike 20 of my buddys played in the league (many were first and second rounders )and your posts are 100% correct .Many on this board (coach high school )try to TRANSPOSE the the way the game works for them to the NFL LEVEL and its a complete joke THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS TO THINK ONE COACHING STAFF KNOWS MORE FOOTBALL THAN ANOTHER AT THIS LEVEL.Any NFL PLAYER will back this up.One coaching staff has a Ben Rothesburger they other has Mark Sanchez ITS THAT SIMPLE

  130. By scjoe on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spice, c’mon with the ancient history! Hey, I am a Rex guy too. I still believe in him. But what the team did 2 or 3 years ago is nothing more then ancient history and it will have absolutely no bearing on what happens in 2012. Same can be said for MS and “his wins” against the Pats and the Colts 2 or 3 years ago. In this league you win with consistency on both sides of the ball, not Ws and Ls and stats from 3 years ago. Question is, was there anything remotely consistent in week #1 and week #2? If there was, it was not on a positive note. That is the reality of the situation.

  131. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer. you explain what game Sanchez Beat the Colts with Payton Manning playing, your man crush on Sanchez has you all messed up..

  132. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Gregg> I agree about your comparison With Mark S and Big Ben.OK lets con pare him with lets say 2 smaller QB’s Drew Brees Chad Penny even Doug Fultie ..Come on now, we were Ok comparing his heart and ability not his size and you know it..

  133. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Why isn’t anyone acknowledging my Guy Powell he had 28 yards on 4 carries averaged 7per what’s up with that?

  134. By SCfromNY on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe: Perfectly said!! Please stop all the times we defeated the Pats. Chad beat the Peyton led Colts 41-3. That was then. This is now. Older scared coaches and QBs, . RBs than can’t and elite pass rushers, according to Rex who do nothing. Yes it’s 1 game but if we lose Sunday more players will mentally pack it in. Last thought about “coaching counts”. Look what KC did last year trying to get their interm a job. Playing with emotion counts and no one seems to want to “Play like a Jet” for Rex anymore.

  135. By robertpapalia on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    I think you might have something there Tom. Thr Jets will never win anything with this present group. They need either to have Woody sell the team or at the very least bring in some real football people. This season is going to be very painful to watch.

  136. By RON ALEXANDER on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    64, Geez, i expect more from you dude? Did you read anything I have been saying about Hill since the pre-season? Dude, I really like Hill! BUT, he dropped that pass for the same reason he dropped the 4 or 5 during the pre-season; catching against his body vs reaching for the ball. Truthfully, I watched the game over and on slow mo you could see the D.B. holding his right arm which should have been called.S.C.Joe, another great post about player execution!I couldn’t agree more! Holmes played a terriable game: the drops were a problem, but his attitude was worse.SPICER, never bring a knife to a gun fight! I love ya dude but going after S.C.Joe’s comment on Schotty is not a fight you can win. He made excellent points easily substanciated.

  137. By lou on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Randy,can you remark on a few questions? First,why isn’t McKnight giving a shot at running back, especially a third down receiver out of the backfield? Is there a reason why the Jets hardly ever throw screen passes. Why don’t the Jets try some no huddle, hurry up offense to get Sanchez moving the offense at a faster pace? Also, on offense, teams are stacking up the box when Tebow comes in. Why don’t we let him throw the ball…..way too conservative. Also, defense has to learn how to TACKLE !!!

  138. By joe on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    To all the coaching advocates IF SPARANO -COACHING IS THE ANSWER WHY THEN DID THE OFFENCE PRODUCE IDENTICAL RESULTS TO THE ONE SCHOTTY COACHED . You guys got your new OC and the results ARE NO BETTER THAN LAST YEAR.This is a 500 team because it has 500 TALENT (SPARANO KNOWS NO MORE OR LESS THAN ANY OTHER OC IN THE NFL ).Tom Brady switches cord almost EVERY YEAR UP THERE no one even notices.

  139. By RON ALEXANDER on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    SPICER, I do agree 100% with you and DANNY about JOE.Actually I thought he moved away and retired from football analysis??? IRA, as usual i agree with you about this weeks Miami game. A loss here would be tough to swallow. The Finns are a 2 to 4 win team and they got one this week so I cant see them winning 2 in a row?64, I agree M.S had a very bad stretch after the first quarter but you failed to mention 3 drops from Holmes, 1 from Hill, I from Cumberlin and another drop plus an allagator arms play from Kerley? Its amazing how the same guys who
    wanted to make Hill and Coples co-Rookies of the year last week are so silent this week. I agree 64, no conclusions till at least week 8 or 9, but that goes both ways.

  140. By Jet Blue on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    If I were the GM or owner of this team, I would have fired Rex at half time. I don’t want my Head Coach setting this kind of example. Playing scared rubs off on the whole team, obviously. But then, this GM and this owner seem to think the same way. If you want to learn anything from this season, fire Rex, bench the less-than-average QB, and play your young guys the rest of the season (McElroy). Get rid of the dead wood and trade valued commodiites for draft picks. Hire a real Head Coach, and start building a team that we can all be proud of for years to come. Do these things and we’ll all be agreeing with each other about how many SB we could win…imagine that.

  141. By joe on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    SC EXACTLY GREAT POST in accordinance WITH THE THINKING ON THIS FORUM SCHOTTY MUST HAVE SUDDENLY LEARNED MORE FOOTBALL NOW THAT HES WITHB THE RAMS .The fact that he has BETTER TALENT THERE THEN HERE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT Logic dictates TONY SPARANO (OUR NEW SAVIOR )WOULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING to keep his HC JOB IN MIAMI. Hes our new cord AND HES GOING TO -COACH SANCHEZ INTO BEING AN ELITE QB .He got FIRED IN MIAMI BECAUSE HE COULDNT DO IT WITH HENNE BUT HES GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT HERE WITH SANCHEZ.Sc JOE i could be wrong but the SANCHEZ (66 qb rating against Pitt )looked identical to the Sanchez Schotty had .LOL Sanchez has 20 plus years of organized football under his belt and these guys think in a few short months Sparano is THE ANSW

  142. By walt on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with Rex that the Miami game is very important but I wonder if he knows that for example the Texans game is just as important.In 2011 we lost every head to head game against a contender we played.I think it is very unlikely that we can win the division and if we lose to the Texans They will have the tie breaker in any playoff possibility involving us.

  143. By joe on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer regarding NE you left out a FEW SELECT ITEMS The PATS WIN THE DIV EVERY YEAR WE DONT ,The PATS have been to 5 SB winning 3 the past 12 years while WE HAVENT BEEN IN 40 .LAST YEAR THEY absolutely destroyed us 2x by a combined score of something like 66 to 20 Yes on occassion we have beat them so what .OVERALL to compare our success record to theirs IS BEYOND LAUGHABLE THEY along with GB PITTS ,NY GIANTS ARE RECARDED AS MODEL FRANCHISES BY THE NFL. WE on the other hand EARNED the NUMBER 6 SPOT ON THE MOST SNAKEBIT FRANCHISES of all time

  144. By davetharave on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    People, stop with the train wreck disaster season. This is a good team which had a not so good game. We’re 2 weeks in and tied for the division lead. Keep some perspective. (Whoooosh) That sound was what I just said going in one ear and out the other.
    One thing that was kind of ridicullous in Pitt was how Tebow was used. I think you have to show the ‘cat a bit earlier and mix it up a little more. 3 running plays in the third quarter and nothing else is not the best way to showcase some of the reasons we went and got him. Hopefully it will be a different story going forward. Is Revis the key to this defense or isn’t he ?

  145. By joe on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    In the NFL the only thing that matters is winning the SB The bar is set so so so low around here that fans bring up the fact that we won a few playoff games here and there over a 40 year span. For once COMPARE OUR SUCEESS RECORD straight up with teams like the GIANTS STEELERS ,PATS PACKERS .Pitts for instance has 14 div titles 8 afc titles 6 sb victorys during the modern era We have 1 division title and 1 SB win in 44 years .Its so pathethic that REX is regarded as our LOMBARDI because (EVEN THOUGH IN YEARS HERE HE CANT WIN THE DIVISION )HE WON A FEW PLAYOFF GAMES AND IS A FEW GAMES OVER 500 AS A COACH.

  146. By Rick Rosselli (Stayloaded) on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    You guys have to kidding, starting Tebow give me a break he’s no better than Sanchez, and tell me Why? didnt they try to move to ball before the half they had a minute or so left on the clock and 2 time outs. Why tell me, Why? !! That changed the whole game for them. If maybe they tried and went for a field goal. the outcome could have been different. At least try.
    That’s why they will be just who they are Poisers.

  147. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks Joe appreciate that , call like I see it, thing is I don’t know any more than most here just know what I see every week, and I don’t sugar coat my favs ,Some here I won’t mention names, refuse to admit Their stars just aren’t Cutting it, stats from 3 years ago not even correct, they had a bad day refs , Schotty, , But at the end of the day, These guys don’t deserve a pass if they don’t preform, with the millions they get paid, period. What else these fellows won’t admit to how many coaches are fired unjustly on account of lack luster spoiled players

  148. By Another Tom on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Greene is a battering Ram and I love His “All In ” effort, but with his running style he will never stay healthy..We really have to get Powell more involved. A great Running game can help fix our dismal passing game..We have to be more creative with Tebow usage also..like some option plays..Mix it up!

  149. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Blinka, I hear you, but not going to agree totally on Woody ,tell you why, Yes he’s a business man and handled that by building a beautiful stadium…can’t blame him there, seats concession, hats shirts etc. all pricey yes, Blame there,as a fan it stinks, but from a business perspective not so much.. Finaly and most Important point. ..Woody gave Mike -T full reign to build this team in his image. his mirror is broken my friend….Woody needs to take the reign’s get a much better GM replace all these so call scouts . scouting these players ,drafting them in first round instead of 4th 5th and 6th…

  150. By Jet Fan Since' 64 Tom on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    RON A, I’m with you on how you gotta catch the ball, but I was surprised at YOU for getting down on Hill after 2 GAMES! That’s one of the problems with many Jet fans, they think superstars are born overnight! robertpapalia, you’ll probably agree with me that pattern recognition is something you get better at with age and when you’ve been watching the Jets as long as some of us have, the patterns are clear. We’re still playing not to lose, still going for headlines instead of goal lines, still fretting over young players, and Rex makes it all worse because he has a caveman’s view of offense. Anything can happen but I think this org is as ripe for a total turnover as just about any in the NFL. Blinka, you should be one of the new co-owners!

  151. By walt on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    I would like to comment on the receiver situation for the jets and in regards to Santonio in particular..When I watched the Giants game one time I noticed that Cruz dropped several passes.However the Giants kept on throwing to him and eventually he caught several key passes that were insrumental to the Giants winning the game.I think the Jets Should decide who their go to guy is and stick with him whether it is Santonio or someone else.

  152. By Jet Fan Since' 64 Tom on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    RON A, I agree with you on many things. We have some potential to surprise this yr and we also have the obvious potential to completely melt down. While I’ve made up my mind on Woody, Mr T, and Rex — like joe says, standards for success around here are low and I refuse to embrace that — I won’t say the team we have this yr couldn’t surprise folks. But if they don’t, it’s time to get serious. And yes, 2 games in is too soon to judge Hill but not Sanchez, Greene, Keller and others who need to become All-Pro material soon. The other factor for me is that if we’re really far from contention this yr, we should deal Holmes and Revis no matter what it costs and start over ’cause those guys will be too old to win a SB with us at this rate.

  153. By Jet Fan Since' 64 Tom on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    davetharave, ever heard the old saying, “If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about the answers?” The fallacy of your talk about Tebow is that the guy shouldn’t be here to begin with, he brought nothing but distraction with him, could never replace Sanchez as the starting QB while throwing as he does now, and isn’t going to fool anybody after teams get about 2 games’ worth of tape on the Wondrous Wildcat. If Sanchez has his usual elite (to Rex)/mediocre (to everyone else) yr, he’ll start every game and Tebow will barely play, then leave for some other team and do the same thing there, then go into politics or charity work or something else that he might be good at, anything but being an NFL starting QB.

  154. By scjoe on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    Well put Joe. The numbers, stats, and statements you listed above are dead on. They simply can not be debated because that is reality in it’s truest form. Speaking as a long, LONG time Jet fan, all I want to see is another SB win before my time is up. Making it to the playoff’s every few years is nice, it is good, there are many teams out there that can’t even say that. But it means very little in the grand scheme of things. Call it selfish, but I want what the Giants have had for 2 of the past 3 or 4 years, A SB WIN! And I don’t believe that there is one single fan on this site or any other that don’t want that exact same thing.

  155. By MIKE on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    I think everyone can agree that MS is never gonna be a great NFL QB. Hard to completely blame him for the lack of offence on the Jets side. When the run game is going, so does MS and the rest of the offence. He will never put this team on his shoulders and win games. He will never bring back this team from 2 TD’s down in the 4th. He will never be able to beat another great D. ex/ Pitt and Balt. He will never win unless the D plays well and the run game can control the clock, the Jets will not beat playoff teams.

  156. By Gregg from CA on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    The post “I didn’t predict a disastrous season, Gregg, I said such a season wouldn’t surprise me and it would be the basis on which to unload Mr T, Rex, Sanchez, and Tebow.” was in response to ” I’ll raise the surrender flag and start taking bets on how accurate Tom’s predictions are going to be”.

    I didn’t put words in your mouth, Tom… I just wanted to run a pool on the outcome. From what I recall, you said that IF the season goes to horse-manure, heads would roll. The pool would be which heads, and how FAR they roll. …chuckle…

    MJV: I have NO idea what Flutie has to do with comparing Mark and Ben, which is what people were doing.

  157. By Gregg from CA on Sep 19, 2012 | Reply

    I’m done for this week. The stain on the floor no longer even resembles a horse, so it’s time to pack up the beat-sticks until either the game on Sunday, OR a significant personnel change on the team or coaching staff. I’m betting on the game occurring first.

    BTW, one last thought that I haven’t seen mentioned: When Mark got whacked and said he felt “okay”, let’s not forget there’s a big difference between how you feel and wanting to come out of the game. Remember all of the hype about Tebow only needing an opportunity to take over the job? Don’t you think that might have been in Mark’s mind, regardless of how he felt? Yeah, just a LITTLE bit of added pressure on your QB!

  158. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    I find this curious. From a Cimini piece on the less-than-stellar communication on the field between Sanchez and Holmes, and the disappointing results overall to date: “A big part of it is, they’re not sharing the same thought,” said tight end Dustin Keller, referring to this past game. “By that I mean, whatever defensive look comes, they should have the exact same thought in their head.” “They”? Keller’s talking publicly about MS and SH as if they’re on a different team from him. I can’t help wondering if this says more, if maybe only unconsciously, about Keller’s mindset as to where he’s going to be in 2013 than it does about the Jets’ O in 2012.

  159. By jets80 on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    Hey, a long suffering Jets fan just witnessed a game in which our team looked overmatched against a good NFL team. Yes, coaching could be better but it is the players that play the game. I believe it is the result of an easy win vs Bills last week and the players expected it to carry over to the next week. NOT!!! Hard work, get hungry and play your butts off on every play and this team will win games.

  160. By IRA on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, Who knows from week to week about any of these NFL games especially Fish vs Jets games because usually you can throw out W/L records they don’t mean anything in this matchup. Only thing i can say is the Fish’s secondary is weak and we should be able to exploit them if the OL can give Mark time like he had vs the Bills. You can’t sleep on the Fish’s front 7 though and they always make it very difficult to run the ball on them so this game will come down to the Jets moving the ball through the air for sure.
    I have a feeling this one will be a nail biter something like 16-13 or 20-17.

  161. By RON ALEXANDER on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    JOE, you would have a lot more credability here if you would drop in with us once in awhile when the Jets win and Sanchez plays well…(I know, once every lunar eclipse!)seriously dude, where were you last week? How do you think Brady would looked if Welker drops 5 passes passes in one game?Lou, as to your questions on offence i.e. Mcknight or T.T, I doubt anybody can give you a good answere because we seem to just wing it out there/ No discernable rhyme or reason to our play calling? As for the tackling issues: the new agreement limits tackling practice to 14 (in full pads)per season so I think you will be seeing this problem league wide.Not just us.I do agree its lousey,especially watching Pace and Scott last week.

  162. By scjoe on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    Right on Ron, the new CBA rules will bring down this game in time. Why do you think we are seeing so many dropped passes around the league? If anyone believes it is just the NY Jets WRs that are dropping them they haven’t been watching many other games. Practice, practice, practice!! That is what is lacking! Ira, you are right, the fins front 7 could spell danger for this Jets O line. It will be difficult to run on them (especially with our group of backs) and should the Jets fall behind vs that fish D it could be a long, long, hot day in Miami.

  163. By SCfromNY on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    A few thought for this afternoon. Stop the trade Holmes talk. No one would want him with the giant contract. Greene is a nice guy but his style is unproductive. The backs like Rice are successful. You need to be able to change direction and have a burst of speed. Stop the stubborn attitude and play McKight and Powel. We all talk about teams and their personel decisions. Keller goes down and we get Reuland. Hernandez goes down and the pats get Winslow. Not to mention 1 game with less than steller stats for Brady and they bring in another good receiver. This is how you field a winning team not hope and bandaids. And why don’t we ever hit it gig with FAs? Harrison was a FA and a better LB is hard to find.

  164. By SCfromNY on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    Last comment. The NFL is a billion dollar league. The refs want 4 million and the league says no. Forget about Goodall’s integrity of the game and safety it’s about money and power. Safety was addressed when it opened up offenses because it made players cautious. He doesn’t really care as evidenced by total disregard for the ref situation.

  165. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    Hey MIKE, if everybody agreed with those assessments on Sanchez, he’d be gone already! When the FO agrees with those assessments, he will be, but who knows when THAT will be…

  166. By robertpapalia on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    Tom, I agree with you receivers do get better with playing time.However you still need the qb to get them the ball. Unfortunately I have come to the conclusion that Sanchez just is not that quarterback. This must be addressed in next year`s draft no matter who is in charge.

  167. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    Gregg two points . first one ‘You compared Sanchez to Big Ben making it like we were picking poor Sanchez .because of the size and strength difference , which no one cares he’s our QB that’s that..Second point, your player getting hit theory, it matters not how the player feels or what he thinks, it’s mandatory for the doctor and or coaches to decide not players when hard enough to effect your judgment now remember as Rex stated.. now if that’s not so then it’s a whole different story and to what my original point was .. Ok got it now??

  168. By JetBlue on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    Itsn’t it obvious that almost everyone here is in agreement that as fans we’re fed up with the SOJ product we see on the field and in the FO. Not many coaches or GMs would continue to allow this kind of play, unless of course they had no clue how to fix it. As fans we can only hope for one of two things: 1) our team miraculously starts to play tough, smart football and makes a run for SB…or 2) they lose the rest of their games so that maybe, just maybe, Woody hears the bell and knows that the fight is over. Which is more likely?

  169. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    SCfromNY, there’s always a way to trade a player no matter how big his contract is if you really want to. And if we tank this season, Holmes is useless, he’ll just complain while we’re rebuilding, which by the way is what we’re doing this yr anyway. robertpapalia, this is the last yr I’m giving Sanchez to shine. 4 yrs is enough to tell if a guy has the instincts and the skills to make it big within another yr or 2. If he doesn’t show a lot this yr, no question MS should go, Mc should get a shot, and a new QB could be drafted. I don’t even count Tebow unless all talk of the Wildcat is dropped and a full-on effort to coach him up into a Ben R/Newton-style QB is made. But these kinds of big changes would probably a require a new HC, GM, owner.

  170. By joe on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    Ron when the JETS START BEATING TEAMS LIKE PITTSBURGH ,NE ,NY GIANTS SF ect i will give them credit.At this point in time the NY JETS HAVE NOT BEATEN A WINNING TEAM SINCE THE 2010 SEASON .You guys got your new OC HAS IT WORKING OUT .Ron the onlt thing that matters in the NFL IS WINNING THE SB THATS IT.To win the sb LOL we have to BEAT REAL FOOTBALL TEAMS LIKE PITTS NE BALT ECT.Winning against the bottom feeders of the NFL (BUFFALO ,MIAMI,CLEV )MEANS NOTHING

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  172. By joe on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    Ron Alexander (HATE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO BUT) how many times did i post last year THAT CHANKING THE OC WILL NOT DO ANYTHING I havent heard your response to why (TONY SPARANO AND ALL HIS KNOWLEGE HE BRINGS )WERE STILL TERRIBLE

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  174. By Trips25 on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    WHY(!) cant we beat quality teams. Get the freaking sack! Offense cant move tone dissapeared. Hill played like a rookie on the jam, couldnt get off it. I thought he was suppose the be physical.. Maybe not. Quinton couples… Where he at? Hahaha! SmH. It’s a tough thing being a NYJET fan for a while for me. We did good in the beginning of all this, congrats. But we are on a potential two year skid the way there where no recievers stepping up and being monsters. 10 minutes one one drive? Got damn… HAHAHA! Tough thing being a New york Jet fan. Beating the Dolphins aint ganna be sweet enough for me losing to the steelers. You got to beat the tough ones. Show me something. kinda feel like a just laid down to get beat. WE BETTA WOOP DA PHINS!

  175. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 20, 2012 | Reply

    danny, let me ask yet once again . since you keep telling Myself Joe and a few others,being wrong , why a great team always consists of great players not so much coaching, remember there are many assistant coaches on teams not just HC , my facts are on the record,yours just contradictions .look up every elite team since since footballs inception. Yes there are great coaches, back in the day, I would have agreed it’s just not the same in this day and age . with all the advancements, technology etc. with many many more recruits coming out of college bigger, stronger, faster,.out of college they’re already working in pro set offense these are the facts..until we hear a clear and coherent explanation, it can’t be taken seriously

  176. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 21, 2012 | Reply

    That’s right, joe, like I keep saying, for a guy who’s supposed to be a defensive genius, Rex’s record of developing young D players into stars is really weak.

  177. By SCfromNY on Sep 21, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, I think Rex is overwhelmed by being a HC. The first year he was like a DC/HC but then turned it over to Pettine. I wonder why with all these great players and the D underperforming that Pettine is not on the hotseat. Looking strickly at production last year and now he is no better DC than Shotty was an OC. Time to stop making excuses for all the shortcomings.Unless some miracle happens, and I dont mean beating Maimi it’s time for a total restructure.

  178. By joe on Sep 21, 2012 | Reply

    Mike JET last year i saw a Mike TOMLIN interview regarding his opinion as to WHY hes been so successful Tomlin FREELY ADMITTED HE KNOWS NO MORE OR LESS FOOTBALL THAN ANY OTHER NFL COACH .The reason hes been SO MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL IS KEVIN COLBERT DRAFTS one ALL PRO AFTER ANOTHER Tomlin said flat out the MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IN AN NFL ORGANIZATION is DIRECTER OF PLAYER PERSONAL not the HC The reason for that is NO COACH CAN COACH A PLAYER INTO HAVING ABILITYS HE DOESNT HAVE.Mike when DANNY was informed of the above interview he NEVER RESPONDED IN ANY WAY.

  179. By joe on Sep 21, 2012 | Reply

    SC if we beat the Dolphins the JET DREAMERS LIVING IN A FANTASYLAND OF SB VICTORYS TO COME will be on here talking like we just beat the 78 STEELERS .Look what happened after the BILL GAME.We got a 500 team with an avg at best qb.Untill WE GET A REGIME IN HERE TO DRAFT SOME ALL PRO PLAYERS (ELITE QB ) WE WILL NEVER EVER SEE A SB WIN.Something like 90% of all SB WINNERS were quarterbacked by a PRO BOWL QB .The DREAMERS SIMPLY IGNORE this fact because were a SB CONTENDER WITH SANCHEZ BEING BACKED UPBY TEBOW (bad and worse )The fact thatb we have not beat a team with a winning record sice 2010 IS TOTALLY IRREVELANT BECAUSE IN THEIR WORLD TEAMS WIN LOMBARDIS BEATING BOTTOM FEEDER LIKE THE DOLPHINS ECT

  180. By RON ALEXANDER on Sep 22, 2012 | Reply

    JOE,Whoa there big boy, when you address a post to me and then say “you guys” you are generalizing and thats not a bag we want to open here! First of all you intimate I was on board with the Sparano hireing? Dude, I admit I had seen enough of Schotty, but bringing in Sparano was not somthing I endorsed! Truthfully, I know very little about Sparano except he was a Parcells guy and had a reputation for being a no nonsence type.Now, both of those qualities are not a bad start,but I need to see more from this guy before saying yea or nae. I agree the only thing that matters is winning but we need progress to win and so far I’m not seeing much progress.

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