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Pace Clarifies Postgame Remark on Bush

Posted by Randy Lange on September 24, 2012 – 6:11 pm

Moving on to non-Island topics in today’s muted day-after-Miami, LB Calvin Pace came into the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center locker room to clear up a remark he made immediately after the 23-20 overtime win over the Dolphins regarding RB Reggie Bush, who left the game with a left knee injury late in the first half.

“Apparently I said something about Reggie Bush, trying to get him out of the game,” Pace said. “I wasn’t trying to say it as if we were trying to hurt him. I’m sad to see him get hurt. We aren’t running any kind of bounty system or anything like that, and actually, looking at the play, somebody just fell on his knee.

“I guess I need to say things in a different manner, and I’ll do a better job of it next time.”

The word from South Florida today is that Bush’s knee injury isn’t serious and that he may be able to return to action as soon as Sunday when Miami visits Arizona. That’s good news for Bush.

And perhaps not as good for the Jets, who could face him for the second time this season in five weeks at MetLife Stadium. Bush is currently No. 4 on the NFL’s rushing-leaders list this season with 302 yards on 50 carries for a gaudy 6.0-yard average. And it’s an even gaudier 6.5 yards per carry in his three career games vs. the Jets (26 carries, 169 yards).

Figuring Out OT

Sunday’s game was the Jets’ first in overtime under the NFL’s OT rules that were modified for last season. Had they moved into range for a Nick Folk field goal on their first possession and he hit it, the Dolphins and Dan Carpenter would have had the chance to tie it. Since the Jets punted on that first series, Carpenter’s kick was of course for the win.

And with that 48-yarder sailing wide left, Carpenter has begun an unusual new chapter in his career vs. the Green & White. Including Sunday’s first kick from 21 yards out, the Dolphins’ Pro Bowl kicker had made his first 14 field goals against the Jets dating to 2008. But he’ll go into the Oct. 28 rematch having missed two of his last three.

Perhaps Carpenter’s miss and the outcome of the game was preordained, since the Jets have gotten the extra session figured out lately, especially against the Aqua & Coral.

Their last OT games were the back-to-back wins at Detroit and Cleveland in the middle of the 2010 season. In fact, the Jets have won their last three overtime games and their last four on the road.

The Jets are now 19-19-2 all-time in overtime. And that includes a perfect record against their friendly AFC East rivals. They’re 5-0-1 in OT vs. the Dolphins, 2-0-1 at Miami.

Other Notes

Due to overtime, injuries and a few discussions by the replacement refs, the game lasted exactly four hours. The last four-hour game the Jets played: the 2000 Monday Night Miracle in the Meadowlands against the same Fish, a 40-37 overtime win that went 4:10 into the wee hours of Tuesday morning.

Folk’s 33-yard kick to decide things was the fourth gamewinning kick of his Jets career and his third “walk-off” FG. He’s tried six field goals in all to tie the score or put the Jets ahead in the last two minutes of a game or in overtime. He’s missed only one, a 47-yard wide-right miss that would have beaten Cleveland in ’10.

Santonio Holmes won that game vs. the Browns, and he played a big role in Sunday’s triumph. His nine receptions were the most by a Jet since Jerricho Cotchery had nine against Kansas City in 2008, and Tone’s 147 receiving yards were the most by a Jet since Cotchery’s 152 at Tennessee in ’07.

And for trivial trivia, consider that LaRon Landry’s 18-yard interception-return TD was the shortest IR TD by a Jet since Aaron Glenn returned a 13-yarder vs. Ty Detmer and Philadelphia in 1996 and the shortest on the road since Mo Lewis went 15 yards vs. Kerry Collins and Carolina in the “Shovel Pass Game” in 1995.

Late Transactions

Late today the Jets announced that LB Bryan Thomas and WR Patrick Turner — BT and PT — have been re-signed. The team also waived DT Marcus Dixon, T Dennis Landolt and CB Donnie Fletcher, who went on the Miami trip in case Ellis Lankster’s low back strain prevented him from playing. But Lankster did play, Fletcher was deactivated, and for 24 hours he’s in the NFL’s waiver system.


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84 Responses to “Pace Clarifies Postgame Remark on Bush”

  1. By No one cares what Blinka thinks on Sep 24, 2012 | Reply

    Woody really needs to understand that there is no talent on this team and do something about it……………….if he cares.

    Eh, who cares what I think,
    #54

    PS Good luck Revis

  2. By russ on Sep 24, 2012 | Reply

    It is really tough rooting for this team…I keep thinking that this is the last year for Tannenbaum as all the chickens have come home to roost..Wayne Hunter fiasco, Kyle Wilson Vladimir Ducasse,McKnight all busts and Wilkerson (Who) and so many others just not making impact of plays….The OL has never replaced Faneca and the power aggressive guard we need hurts running game. And Frankly when you keep a Mcknight over Woodhead because he was a higher draft pick it only means to me your ego is in play and not your intelligence…..

  3. By since shea on Sep 24, 2012 | Reply

    How many plays other than special teams kicks was Coples in for? How about Demario Davis? Isnt he supposed to be the fast linebacker that we desperately need? Why dont they play? We have high draft picks who have little to no impact. Kyle Wilson? Did we trade up for him? Coples who doesnt even play much. Wilkerson? Hill who rarely caught passes in college. Did we trade up for him? Is it our system? Is it Woody? Mr.T? Why dont our picks and people seem to make it here? Would Victor Cruz have been successful here? And who is that beast of a “back up” running back that the Giants now use? Why dont we have promising people? If we chose Chandler before the Pats, would he be a bust? Would Sanchez be a star playing for NE? Pit? NYG? SF?

  4. By since shea on Sep 24, 2012 | Reply

    As for Tebow, to me it does look like Rex may have been force fed Tebow by Woody or Mr.T. Do we really think we can trick our opponents? Gimmicks? Really to sell tickets? I honestly feel sorry for Tebow. Nice kid being thrown to the wolves. They should have let him go home to Jacksonville where he could have been somewhat relevant. Unlike a posting I read where “poor Revis” should have held out after 2 years into a 4 year deal because now he cant get a 100 Mil contract. Please. Most elite teams have pass rush and not shut down Revis type corners. Do the elite teams employ gimmicks? Or do they play hard smash mouth competent football! They have pass rush. They have real running backs and guys who can throw and catch. What is it with us?

  5. By Howie D on Sep 24, 2012 | Reply

    This time has come to get McElroy on field.

  6. By danny on Sep 24, 2012 | Reply

    So Joe always says coaching means nothing in the NFL only elite players yet the Saints are 0 – 3 with a elite QB and elite players on the team but a fill in coach. Hmmm Joe coaching means nothing in the NFL right ????? Drew Breese is elite as you can get at the QB postion so Joe how could it be there 0 – 3 ????? Joe knows a friend who know a player that knew a coach who said that coaching means nothing in the NFL LOL

  7. By Howie D on Sep 24, 2012 | Reply

    Great coaches make adjustments as the game unfolds. Sparano is a bit better than Shotty, but he isn’t reading the game properly. One way to fix some of our offenisive issues is to line up more in spread formations. Every time we do it something good happens. If he looks at the tapes he’ll see that our spread causes problems for defenses. Average coaches don’t read the game well, they tend to rely on their game plan and don’t know what to do when it isn’t working. Sparano at this point is in the ‘average coach’ category and that’s not good.

  8. By Tom Spicer on Sep 24, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, Keeping the conversation current they could have taken any player in the 2nd round & still got Miller in the 3rd round. Miller was taken in the 4th round by Miami. When I watch the game I say to myself what would this Jet team look like with a guy like Reggie Bush, CJ Spiller, Fred Jackson you name it. The other team knows we have no shot of breaking a long run & it is hurting the passing game.

  9. By Tom Spicer on Sep 24, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, I am sold on Barkley last year I watched the game vs Stanford & he outplayed Andrew Luck in that game. Barkley unlike Sanchez who only started 1 year & clearly was not ready for the NFL when he came out. Barkley has started all 4 years & was ready at the end of last year. He also cause of the Reggie Bush scandle has had significantly less talent around him than Mark cause of the 10 less scholarships that USC gets. We wont get him cause he will go #1 so it is a moot point but he is ready to go he can step in & play at a high level right away.

  10. By Tom Spicer on Sep 24, 2012 | Reply

    2 Things 1 I heard Rex say Powell is going to get the ball more I think the Jets (just like with Wayne Hunter) are seeing that Greene can not get it done. I wonder why it took 1 1/2 after we saw it to realize that with Hunter & Greene? 2 Keller is the #2 WR for the Jets Hill & Kerley are unproven so Holmes & Keller are the #1 & the #2. We cam just hope that Kellers return gives us a big boost.

  11. By carl on Sep 24, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Randy, This when the TEAM needs to come together ! Because no 1 player can play all the positions at once !So suck it up! stop boo hooin out there and play some excuse free football Jets!Revis, no Revis! Go Jets!!!

  12. By Howie D on Sep 24, 2012 | Reply

    No coach should hesitate to make a QB change during a game if a QB is having a bad game. I don’t subscribe to the argument that you can only have one QB or you’re destroying confidence by subbing your starter. You have one QB, if the QB is consistently good, but if your QB is inconsistent and turns the ball over regularly you have to try someone else. McElroy (Not #15) MUST enter the game the next time Sanchez puts us in jeopardy. I’m not concerned about his feelings. He’s being paid millions to do a job and the jury’s still out. Brady was in McElroy’s position at one point and the PATS didn’t know what they had until he played.

  13. By Jake on Sep 24, 2012 | Reply

    we should have never got rid of leon washington. i loved him as a jet, and always enjoyed watching him play in green and white

  14. By Cjf on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Any thoughts about the Jets bringing in Bryant McFadden or Chris Carr. I see that Justin Miller is also a FA LOL. I hope this lights a fire under the Jets. We all know the NFL is week to week different and with Sundays game at home 1pm against San Fran I have a good feeling we will win, probably lose to Houston, and then beat the Colts with a 4-2 record going into the battle with the hated Patsies. Keep your heads up Jet nation. Stop acting like the season is over. Also, im hoping the Bills can beat the Patsies on Sunday too. GO JETS!!!

  15. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    I hope this is Pace’s last yr as a Jet, but I knew exactly what he meant the first time I read the quote. He meant remove Bush from the game as a factor in the Fish O, not knock him out of the game by injuring him. It’s pathetic to see NFL players have to talk like politically correct school kids for fear of offending someone somewhere, maybe in a cave in Yemen or something. But then again, after watching what happened to Green Bay last night, it’s even more pathetic to think that a supremely solipstic and even more untalented incompetent like Goodell could ever get near a job as a ball boy in the NFL, much less as the commissioner.

  16. By SCfromNY on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Not a very impressive win. The Jets were very lucky to get out of Maimi without losing. When will the Shoon Greene experiment end. At one piont 12 carries for 20 yards. The usual Jet habit of staying with some players too long and getting rid of players too early. Three weeks into the season and the only place Tebow is used is newspaper articles. A very strange and confusing season, evn by Jet standards.

  17. By IRA on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    I actually like the new OT rules. I think its fair that both sides get a chance to get the ball and of course loved the results this past game. Figured they would resign Turner after Hill got hurt. Really hope Keller gets back soon because not having him in there is one of the reasons this offense is struggling the way they are. While J-Co is just a role player now they should’ve never let him go.
    Well it looks like Kerley is on his way to having a very good year and is finally showing his stuff. He will become the Jets’ D. Bess.

  18. By Paul N on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    The jets are done fpr this season, need to start clearing salary for next years #1 draft pick. No offense, no qb, and now a huge whole in the D! Play the back ups the rest of the season and let our old men rest! Jets 5-11

  19. By Howie D on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Roger Goodell prides himself on projecting a tough and honorable image. He should now do the honorable thing and resign. He’s done more harm to the league than any other commissioner. Green Bay and all the other teams who’ve suffered under these replacements deserve better. The fans deserve better. I can’t recall a commissioner who’s more controversial. The majority of the players hate him. So many people can’t be all wrong. What’s happening now is a travesty, the latest in a long list of blunders, and he should step down.

  20. By Karan on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with ya IRA, these new overtime rules are so much better, at least they are fair to everyone.

  21. By Karan on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Its funny how everyones ready to give up on this team. Two bad games, yes I know, but come on people, I understand theres not too much to be optimistic about yet, but lets show a little sign on hope and support.

  22. By Karan on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    People criticize Mark Sanchez like theres no tomorrow, and yes, its true he needs to play better BUT what I love about this QB is that he makes the right plays when it matters the most. He didn’t play well against Miami but he got us in the right situation to win right in the end, set us up on good field position. Now why he doesn’t play like that all 4 quarters, I’ll never know but I’d much rather take the win even if it means a late win like that then no win at all. Because lets be honest, stats and other things, their nice and all but whats most important and matters the most are wins, no matter how ugly of a win it might be.

  23. By No one cares what Blinka thinks on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Actually Sanchez is not the problem. He made some bad throws but some good ones too. Hill is the liability. He has to make those catches.
    The real problem here is Woody and Mr.T or whoever is pulling the trigger on draft choices. I also thing that Rex is doing a good job. If this was Mangini, we would be 0-3. Seems they don’t consider a players character. Saw the Syracuse guy that New England picked interviewed. What a differencebetween him and Couples. The word was that he’s lazy and it true. It’s the NFL now.
    Are only hope? Woody either has to sell (that won’t happen) or he has to hire a football guy to run the front office and he has to get out of their way. Tebow trade is looking embarassing now.

  24. By Karan on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Speaking of ugly wins, man oh man, the NFL has got do something about these replacement refs. That was a disgrace what happened at the end of the game on Monday night. Seattle played their butts off but that was clearly an interception along with an offensive pass interference, and that is even after they reviewed it! Wow! Its just crazy what the NFL is doing, this business has changed so much even in the last 4 years, crazy crazy crazy.

  25. By ELI RODRIGUEZ on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    KARAN: I WOULD LIKE TO AGREE WITH YOU BUT YOUR REASONING IS OUT OF THIS WORLD. OK, 2 BAD GAMES AND NEXT WEEK IT’S 3 AND 4, WHEN WILL IT END. THIS SHIP IS TAKING ON WATER–WHY CAN’T YOU ADMIT IT. BLIND FAITH IS GOOD BUT TO A POINT. THERE’S A LOT OF PEOPLE TO BLAME BUT IT STARTS AT THE TOP. M.S. IS NOT THE ANSWER–IT’S TIME FOR McELROY. REX WAS COUNTING ON THE DEFENCE TO HELP US BUT THAT WON’T HAPPEN WITH WILSON—-A 1ST ROUND PICK…. SORRY MA’ IT JUST WON’T WORK FOR.ME AND IT SHOULDN’T WORK FOR YOU……

  26. By harry-o on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    we all know what this jets team doesn’t have right now
    after next game will character be added to that list ?
    prove to us this team can compete w/ the players it still has
    49er’s are beatable it will be a team effort
    go jets!!!

  27. By scjoe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I know where Miller was drafted, in my mind I would rather have a combination of Miller and D. Davis (3rd rd) then Hill and Miller. Hill “so far” is exactly what I thought and said he would be, Davis has the potential “if” they can ever get him up to speed and actually get on the field. Here is a name for you to remember, Marcus Lattimore (RB South Carolina) for the 13 draft. For anyone who follows the SEC (GaryC) I know they know about him. I can only wish, hope, pray, that Mike Tannenbaum will not be running the 13 draft.

  28. By GaryC on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    JetFanTom,I believe there is no argument anymore about McCourty over Wilson,even though Mccourty isn’t that great either.As you know also,seeing you follow all my posts,the guys I mentioned last year during the draft,Perry,Shea McClellin and Alshon Jeffrey all seem to be making contributions and two years ago I mentioned Kyle Rudolph as a pick to team up with Kelller,and he is catching touchdowns for the Vikings,it is funny all these picks ended up in the Nfc central.

  29. By scjoe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    I think it has been established, at least by the majority of fans, that the culprit in this sad state of the NY Jets falls squarely on the GM. He has a very bad (and that is as discreet as I can be) track record in the draft. Sure there was Revis, Mangold, and Brick, but I am talking about the whole body of work. Approximately 6 years under the Tbaum reign, how many other pro bowlers have there been. No HC, possibly even Lombardi, could get it done with this supporting cast. Give credit to Rex for at east getting them to 2 AFC championships. Again, that is not setting the bar low, it is what it is.

  30. By scjoe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    you know what makes it even worse Karan? The fact that they don’t even get it right following the review. We witnessed that in our own game Sunday when Rex challenged that pass completion on the Miami receiver and the replay clearly showed he did not maintain control. There has to be consequences for that, but there isn’t!

  31. By Allan O'Dane on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Imagine if the NYJ lost a wildcard playoff berth the way greenbay lost lastnight? There wouldn’t be a building high enough. These refs MUST go. Blown call on sunday too with Fasano, that ball clearly fell out. The players are getting fed up..the coaches are going crazy…someone is gonna to get hurt. Is it me or does Rex look like he’s been beaten already with Revis being out? Ok, he’s our best def. player but players need to step up. Teams like 49ers and houston who have big WR’s are going to be a matchup nightmare for us. Wilson is barely 5’10,

  32. By Tom Spicer on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, Yes Mark gets blamed for everything under the sun. Dont get me wrong he has to play WAY better. But you hear nothing about Greene who if the play is perfectly blocked can still only manage 4 yards. You hear nothing about a Rex Ryan D that cant stop the run. You hear nothing about a D that cant rush the passer in a passing league. Also with Keller out you have a team with 1 proven pass catching threat Holmes. Meanwhile Super Bowl contending teams have at least 3 (some have 4 or 5) legit proven pass catching options. But hey (I am stealing this from Blikna) what do I know none of these things I pointed out matter. It is ALL the QB’S fault.

  33. By Tom Spicer on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Danny, You did not know you can not beat a team with a elite QB it does not matter who else is on the team & it does not matter who the coach is. Yet Peyton 1 & 2, Brady 1 & 2, Big Ben 1 & 2, Rodgers 1 & 2, Stafford 1 & 2 & Brees 1 & 2. This cant be right it must be a misprint!

  34. By No one cares what Blinka thinks on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Dan g

    I agree. I still say he cheats. By the way, is it me or does belicheck get a free pass from the media. Everyone thinks he’s god. He was caught cheating, but nobody cares.

    Eh, who cares what I think,
    #54

  35. By Christopher on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    If the replacement refs are still in next week then I like our chances against the 49ers….they will be the favorite and the refs seem to favor the home team. So most likely the refs will place a little money on the Jets and make it happen.

  36. By Christopher on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    oh, and this team is a joke

  37. By Karan on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Belichik better fined or something. Heck, Del Rio and Fox received fines for arguing with refs and Bill touched one of them. If he doesn’t receive a fine, it’ll just re-assure everyone that the Patriots are the sweethearts of the NFL and NFL will never charge them seriously. Pretty sickening, isnt it?

  38. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    When the great Blinka says it’s time for Woody to sell the team, it’s time! Spice, the thought of another USC QB makes me nervous but you make a great case for Barkley and I’ve seen a lot of what you’re talking about, and of course the 4-yr starter thing that we ignored in picking Sanchez is huge. Karan, I got a real kick out of love and MS in the same sentence but I’ll have to be the one to break it to you, in your 4th yr as an NFL starter you have to play consistently well, not well for a few plays a game vs. bad teams. Paul N, I don’t believe in unloading the bench until you’re mathematically out of the playoffs but once you are, yeah, everybody starting with McElroy should play. And while we’re at it, cut or trade Tebow, who’s useless.

  39. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    “Hopefully, they will see me as maybe the face or the franchise guy and lock me up,” Revis said in July. “But if not, then I think we all kind of know where it’s going in terms of, you know, I’m a person, it’s my career and I have to do what I need to do for my family. I think that’s the biggest thing.”
    But now, Revis is out for the season with a torn ACL and when he comes back from the injury, an assumption easier to make given his athleticism and work ethic, his leverage in his contact negotiations will be different.” Yeah, feed your family WHAT, Darrelle, wagyu beef every night? Couldn’t happier to a greedier “person.” I say unload this eternal narcissist the minute he can step out on the field again.

  40. By kleckofan on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    I am very much w the two Blinka posts, very much. On the replacement ref issue. I am a labor negotiator/HR Mgr and this is not an easy one for Goodell. A couple yrs back the NFL ended defined benefit pensions for all its full time employees (a defined benefit pension pays a set amount based on final avg earnings X yrs of service) it is the type of pension that is bankrupting towns and States across the US. It is a dinosaur. The regular refs, who are seasonal employees, won’t give up this pension. The NFL wants to move them to a 401K like its FT employees. If they agree to the change it would become a simpler negotiation about how much the contribution is. Boring maybe, but not easy.

  41. By RON ALEXANDER on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    DAN G, excellent point about Bilacheat!No way he should get away with grapping the ref after the game. I doubt anything will come of it but most other coaches would be severly penalized for doing that.BLINKA, I care dude! I agree Sanchez was not the only problem this game. Stonehands Hill was brutal again and there was plenty of others who have come up short to!As anybody heard from Q.Coples? Is he still on the team? Hey Blinka, is there anything worse than watching Calvin Pace miss tackle after tackle?

  42. By since shea on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Before we trash Goodell, how many of you get defined non contributory pension plans from your employer? Other than NYC workers, there arent too many companies these days that give their FULL TIME employees a percentage of salary as a lifetime pension without the employee having to contribute. Never mind free pensions for part timers. Thats what the prima donna refs want! They made game altering calls just like the refs last night. Free pensions for them? Give us a break! 401k is good enough for them. We paid for PSL’s! We paid to build Met Life stadium. Maybe Woody should give us dividends and profit sharing if the part time “real refs” get free pensions!

  43. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    kleckofan and since shea, out here in California, where defined benefit pensions are bankrupting the state and the ensuing tax rates are chasing anyone with a profitable business out of the state, we’re very familiar with what you’re talking about. My criticism of Goodell has not to do with the specifics of the negotiations but with how he’s always got enough time to plan Wednesday night games on Mars but not enough time to resolve these kinds of strike-related issues before the season begins — the classic sign of an inept manager, if not also a corrupt one. Spicer, Sanchez’s time is running out but I’ve mentioned every one of those other problems with the team that you list many, many times.

  44. By scjoe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Who cares Blinka, You are right, Sanchez may not be THEE problem, but he certainly is a big part of it. I was always of the opinion that great QBs can carry a team when everything else is not going well around them (kind of like today’s NY Jets) Mark Sanchez is not capable of doing that. He is barely capable of being an average QB. Not saying that is his fault or anyone else’s, just stating the reality of the situation.

  45. By Cjf on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Wow so many sorry “jet fans” on here. Just throw in the towel, worry about draft picks, blah blah blah. How pathetic you all sound. Go pick another team to root for instead of coming on here and typing your misery. You fans are the real circus.

  46. By scjoe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, I can only speak for myself (and maybe a few others as well) in re: to your post about never hearing negative remarks about Greene, the defense, the drops, the play calling etc. Because you most certainly hear them from me. Matter of fact, I can’t think of to many areas of the team that warrent positive remarks.

  47. By scjoe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Since Shea, I hear you. Although I am one who did get full pension without ever contributing a dime (AT&T corp) What we have here with the NFL is a multi billion (not million) ” billion” dollar organization that depends on putting a first class product out there to continue to survive. They simply got to do what they got to do to keep that up. They are not right now with this current team of replacements. I have spoken to quite a few “casual” fans who told me they no longer watch the games, between the continuing array of flags and the missed calls, they simply lost interest. Not good! My prediction? If the reg refs are not back this week, they will certainly be by week 5

  48. By scjoe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Just to further expand on my post above. I just recently read an article that the odds maker’s stated that over half a million dollars changed hands because of that giant blunder at the end of the Packers Hawks game.

  49. By SCfromNY on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry Spicer but Sanchez is a problem. Is he the only problem? NO! I have been saying here for ages that the D did not desearve a 5th best rating. Points allowed was 22nd. Pats were 31st D but points allowed 15th. Which would you rather be? Yes, Revis is great but we are suppossed to have all these DL wonders now so where is the pass rush. Other teams, see Giants manage with 3rd string DB because their front 7 can play. Rex will not admit that his D needs a lot of work. Number 1? Never happen. Star players go down. Texans won without Johnson, Pats won without Brady, and many teams have had RBs go down only to have backups shine. The Jets need to stop the excuses. There are so many 1&2 yearQBs we might get Barkly.

  50. By scjoe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Another one of those “go pick another team to root for” posts. How original! As if any “legitmate” sport fan has EVER done that in the history of the world. By the way, have you? My recommendation to you would be keep that bar set as low as you have it and don’t read the posts here.

  51. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Cjf, get stuffed, it’s losers like you who tolerate endless mediocrity without speaking up that are the real problem with the Jet fan base, which the Jet FO has taken advantage of since about 1970. I don’t think you’d even know the difference between a team that was building properly and one that wasn’t, much less a contender and a loser. I can think of at least 10 or 12 regular posters on this site, not all of them men, who could probably do a better job than Mr T is doing now. And contrary to those who think only out-of-work pro HCs could do better than Rex, there are many coaches who’ve left the ground-and-pound era of football decades behind, as Rex hasn’t. I’M rooting for this team not to be a joke, what you YOU rooting for? Survival?

  52. By GaryC on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    JetFanTom,remember last year when Revis held out and I said trade him to the patriots for a kaboodle of their draft picks and people said I was Crazy,Well Mr.Guggenheim doesn’t look to crazy now.

  53. By GaryC on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    To Tanny,seeing that their are holes to fill,isn’t time to offer Tebow up to the highest bidder and see if you can get a cornerback over 5’10 or a running back who doesn’t look like the second coming of Ron Dayne.

  54. By GaryC on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    these officials fear for their lives,most of the calls are for the home teams,they are intimidated by the crowd noise,They will not have security when they leave the stadium,ipso facto,that is why you are getting the calls your getting.

  55. By MIKE on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    It would seem that there alot of holes on this time. No run game, receivers are never open, the D cant stop the run or create any kind of pass rush to stop a pass game.

    On offense they have a couple good lineman an a top 10 TE but thats it.
    On D they have the CB’s minus the leagues best player now and a top 5 MLB. Thats it.

    I cant believe they went to back to back AFC championship games.
    What happened?

  56. By Charliejet on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    tom 64 if Revis is a leader and so dedicated to winning as Rex claims, then why didn’t Revis step up last year and take command in a divided locker? Would Ray Lewis have let that happen? Revis did nothing to help the team in the locker. We know the players looks up to Revis. Yet according to Rex – “no one works as hard as Revis to win”. Why didn’t Revis step in? Because Revis held out TWICE on this team already and was thinking a third time and and there is his mindset.
    Revis is a great player – no denying that. Honestly, I would take him back in a NY minute. But as for a “complete player” dedicated for winning a championship? I don’t think so.

    CjF – I don’t think people are throwing in the towel they are FRUSTRATED

  57. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Really, Powell getting his Reps.. Funny I was on the Powell ban wagon while most here were still complaining about letting Canaway go, I said Powell was the better back last month..Same as my remarks on Wilson now most are realizing this all went on deaf ears NOT TO MENTION i WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST ON SANCHEZ 2 SEASONS BACK ..Huh Blinka , agh, who cares what Mike Jet Vet thinks. What can you do. I got it now no biggie

  58. By No one cares what Blinka thinks on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    I would not write Sanchez off so fast. McElroy?! Come on people don’t be morons. I don ‘t think Sanchez is that terrible. If we had better players we could win with him. Our talent is terrible. TERRIBLE

    Eh, who cares what I think,
    #54

  59. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC (this is going to sound comic), though I wasn’t for trading Revis after his first holdout, his threat to hold out a third time convinced me. But what also convinced me is that vets with lousy attitudes like him and Holmes, no matter how good they are, should be dealt for picks so that we can rebuild this team with the right players. That means losing Mr T and Rex too, of course. Charliejet, I don’t know what happens in the locker room but I’ll say Revis is obviously a leader on the field. In the press, all he does is hint Sanchez isn’t good enough and hint that he’s leaving the team, so I hope all of that leads him right out of Florham Park for 2 #1′s. Blinka, I say McElroy deserves shot next yr if Sanchez and Tebow prove this bad.

  60. By Karan on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    ELI, I’ll side with you the day McElroy takes this team to two title games, goes on the road to win four playoff games, finds a way to win games at crunch time and is surrounded by legitimate weapons.

  61. By Karan on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    I agree scjoe, these whole dilemma with the refs is just getting ridiculous. The headline of an NFL article regarding this situation is absolutely correct: enough is enough.

  62. By Karan on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Haha Jetfan tom 64, I think I took it too far by saying those two words in the same sentence. I really meant “like”.

  63. By scjoe on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Mike, everything you said is true, and that is why I posted just a few days ago that Rex deserves a little credit for taking this team to the AFC championship his first two years. Sure, there were other factors involved (Indy resting some of their players) but regardless, the Jets got there and almost pulled it off in Rex’s first 2 years. That said, I have to totally disagree with what Rex said about this possibly being his best team since he has been here. No way, No how.

  64. By chris long time fan on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    the refs are just ok but why doesnt the replay work?no excuses for them. i think the defense says here we ago again when mark is qb.its a mindset its never marks fault always a bad team.try mcelroy and see who it is

  65. By JetBlue on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    CjF: Calling out the level-headed passionate fans who post is just one indication that you are one of those fans who lives by Monday morning standings. Judge the team by their work product, by what you see performance wise. Wins over Bills & Fins are nothing to display in your trophy case. If the ultimate goal is to be the last team standing, this team is already doomed. When you see the same mistakes costing you games, over & over again, it is frustrating. Other teams seem to find ways to coach players most of us never heard of. Where’s the game plan? Where’s the coaching? Player development is paramount in this league. Players drafted to this team seem to digress rather than develop. We are frustrated becasue we have no hope.

  66. By JetBlue on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    I would love to sit in on one of Rex’s coaches meetings prior to a game so I could hear 1st hand how this team prepares for a game. The wisdom of the HC flows down to each of the position coaches and I’m not seeing/feeling any wisdom. Why do other teams seem to plug in players who perform at a high level? What is it about the Jets that aside from Revis, there is really no elite player on the team. Not one of the draft picks in the last 4 yrs has flourished. Our franchise QB has not shown the amount of growth you should see if the coaching is there. Someone gets hurt & the replacement seems to be just that, and looks lost on the field. GM, HC & QB all need to go so maybe 2 yrs from now we can all be posting positive thoughts.

  67. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Hey CJF, constant Jet Failure, is that what your initials stand for ? Maybe it works for you, It’s certainly doesn’t for myself and the few lifers here . if it bothers you maybe it’s you who should go root for some other team. you won’t have to listen to our frustration about winning not losing…On Revis shame but life go’s on,I said trade him when he sat out breaking yet another contract. I’m with the post saying Revis isn’t a leader I said it long ago . Money meant more than team, loyalty, and honor, Only good comes of this no more redoing his contract. hopefully he has enough trade Value for a elite Pass rusher.

  68. By Howie D on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t agree with trading Revis. Much of the talk is business posturing for maximum contract. Revis is an asset, he’s not disruptive and don’t damage team chemistry. When healthy he alone is worth 2-3 players on the field. Seeing him on another team, especially an AFC east team, would be another tough blow to absorb. We’ve supplied enough talent to other teams, let’s stop this trend and hold on to the few we have left. He’s pro who performs his well, to say the least. Unless something drastic happens to his production or he does something detrimental to the team, I say he stays.

  69. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Your sense of humor about Sanchez marks you as a true Jet fan, Karan. And you definitely take the prize for sense of humor today with that “Constant Jet Failure” crack, MJV!

  70. By scjoe on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Blue, couldn’t have said it any better myself to cjf. The question is, why can’t guys like that see the forest through the trees? Why do they need someone to point it out to them? Can they possibly be watching the same thing that we are? CJF, come back in about 3 or 4 weeks, after SF, Houston and NE. Lets see where we stand then. If at that time we are 5-1, I will say to you CJF, you were 100% right, I guess I just didn’t see what we really have here, but if they are 2-4, 2-5, what will you come back and say?

  71. By kleckofan on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    I think it was Branch Rickey to Ralph Kiner, who had just won the home run title,”we finished in last place with you, we can finish in last place without you”. Just how much value does a single player (Revis) have to a team with so many needs. I just wonder about the trade value now and if Rex can devise a scheme that doesn’t include the best corner in the league. Trade Tebow? Unless Tannenbaum has a brother working for another team, who would take him? and for what? Of course, there is the old “addition by subtraction” theory. I would like to see mcElroy get a legit chance…don’t understand Blink’s writing him off.

  72. By afinta on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    I am a die hard Jets fan. Lifer –
    This is not a great team this year. The D is slow and if you ask me undersized on the line. slow at linebacker, and plain old strange in the backfield minus Revis. The O is perplexing – all these great players on the line but still something major missing.
    I am also a football fan – and when you watch the Giants you see something the Jets just don’t have (at least to me at this point) and that is continuity, confidence, and decision. Eli Manning knows exactly what he is doing, and working with Gilbride all these years has really paid off. I think Sanchez was stilted by Schotty and I really don’t see how Sparano is any better. He seems like a relic -

  73. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Karan. Newsflash Little Bill was fined 50k for a simple touch of the arm… Men!! where are they haven’t seen any lately, from the noise I’m hearing. the substitute Refs are doing the best they can good or bad they’re not at fault alone,greed played a part, they were given an opportunity and took it same as any normal rational human looking to support a family, I don’t hear any complains about the players and coaches whining taking advantage they are more at fault, they should know better, they’re the pro’s Yet constantly grabbing at them I was held missed that call .. Man how I long to be back in the trenches. what is this world coming to

  74. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Cont, Next I specially enjoyed the post Hope Little Bill gets suspended 4 games we might beat them Tom Brady and superior team will beat us not coach FYI, why don’t they suspend every coach on every team we play, reality is what most here are eluding to poor management, less than adequate talent . poor draft choices, never giving potentially untapped talent a chance before letting them go, sticking with underachievers cry babies or greed mongers, Yet always letting go the best and keeping the worst did I miss anything

  75. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Some one hit it right on the head, About Revis I am of the same thinking. if we had a viable pass rush, One CB would never make a great difference. yes I agree no one should get hurt but that’s football everyone has injuries and works though it Giants for one, I’ve said this a hundred times, we are always years behind the times, never seem to catch up.By today’s standards for instance prototypical QB 6-5 6-6 220 ours 6-2 w/o 6-3 6-5 CB Safety’s 6-0 6-3 ours 5-8 5-10 FB 230 – 260 ours ?? now I ask, do we really match up

  76. By chris long time fan on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    good qbs make unknowns ….known//// mcelroy has good throwing motion and strong arm is smart and does the quarterback camps.we have the tools just have to learn how to use them.nothing wrong with this it goes as sanches goes ..which is not often enuff.

  77. By chris long time fan on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    sanchez no playig time in college and schotty what can you say glad hes gone.mark will be good many years from now.sparano has him throwing the ball down field more witch should help the running game witch should help the passing game.

  78. By scjoe on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    MJV, BINGO! If you think we don’t match up now, especially in the defensive back field, wait till you see the Seattle Seahawks defensive backfield. And make no mistake, we WILL see their defensive backfield just down the road.

  79. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    The fact is, guys and gals, Revis is expendable because we won’t be anywhere near a Super Bowl until he’s over 30, so we should trade him for whatever we can get while we can still get it. Same for Holmes as soon as the season’s over.

  80. By RON ALEXANDER on Sep 27, 2012 | Reply

    64,JETBLUE,M. J. VET, Nice job Dudes regarding CJF, I’m beginning to think guys like that must be relatives of Woody or Tanney? I’m getting to the point I dont even want to respond to that nonsence.I have said this before and I am more than happy to say it again, i am very happy I stumbled on to this site as there are a lot of great Jet fans who like myself really care about this team. Hey, do we need to get a life or find somthing better to do? Nah, I think were all either gluttons for punishment or worse still masocists, but I’m good with that. S.C.Joe, actually, after another disappointing season I recall my wife and I actually discussed becoming Carolina Panther fans(we will move to Hilton Head when I retire)but no, we are Jets for life

  81. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 27, 2012 | Reply

    RON A, see my post on the story ahead of this one in which I enlighten Gregg on the faith-based grip on the Jets that many of us share. But even churchgoers must sometimes protest rampant corruption and ineptitude at the houses where they worship…

  82. By ELI RODRIGUEZ on Sep 28, 2012 | Reply

    KARAN AGREE TO DISAGREE: SOMETIME IN LIFE YOU WALK INTO A HAND MADE SITUATION AND THATS WHAT HAPPEN TO M.S. WHEN HE WAS AT THE RIGHT PLACE AND THE RIGHT TIME IN 09-10. BUT WHAT HAS HE DONE FOR US LATELY. YOU PLUG ANY QB IN THAT SPOT AND THE RESULT WOULD’VE BEEN THE SAME, HE’S NOT GIFTED(PETE CARROL SAID SO HIS COLLEGE COACH) MY QUESTION IS WHY NOT GIVE McELROY A SHOT AND IF HE IS THAT BAD WHY WASN’T HE THEN INCLUDED IN THE TEBOW DEAL. SOMEONE THINK HE’S GOOD. BUT ONE ON ONE MCELROY WOULD BEAT M.S.

  83. By chris long time fan on Sep 28, 2012 | Reply

    eli 1000% right

  84. By Jack on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Time for the Ground and Pound it time to make a trades for RB, Darren McFadden or RB, DeMarco Murray before the trading deadline with end in 2-3 weeks. Get it done now Get it done now TANNY. Rex Rayn said he not going to signs any old WR’s meaining WR’s Plaxico, Johnson and T.O. are not on the list he want young fast WR’s,. I feel it would be better if they Jets make a trades for a RB, rather then a WR.

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