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Outstanding Field Position Helped the Cause Sunday

Posted by Randy Lange on September 25, 2012 – 3:09 pm

When a team is scuffling, and especially when a team is scuffling without one of its main men, it will take everyone on the roster to get the job done and keep the wins coming.

Such as Sunday at Miami, when the Jets’ kickoff and punt coverage teams put together one of the finest field position games in recent team history.

“Eight times we had our opponents inside the 20, and five times inside the 10 — that’s a lot,” special teams coordinator Mike Westhoff told newyorkjets.com today. “They’re off to a solid start. We can cover.”

Eleven of Miami’s 13 possessions began after a Jets punt or kickoff, and the Dolphins’ average start on those drives was their 14.5-yard line. Add in the possessions after their two interceptions and for the game the ‘Fins’ average drive start was their 17.8-yard line.

That’s the Jets’ best opponents’ drive start in the last 22 seasons. The only better game since 1990 was their 17-12 victory over Houston in the Astrodome in ’90, a game that featured a 42-yard touchdown pass from Ken O’Brien to Al Toon and the only individual “trifecta” fumble-recovery touchdown by a front-seven player in franchise history when rookie DT Darrell Davis sacked Warren Moon, forced the fumble and recovered it in the end zone. The Oilers’ drive start was their 17.0.

On Sunday the Jets needed every spare yard since Miami mounted six marches of at least 40 yards, two for touchdowns and four for field goal attempts.

“Field position, to me, I look at last year, when we finished first in kickoff returns and I think we were sixth in [kickoff] coverage. That adds up to seven and I think that led the league,” Westhoff said. “It was pretty close between us and San Francisco but they had 40 touchbacks and we had 12. We had to cover a heck of a lot more, yet we were still first. I’ve been able to do that a lot of times.”

Unlike opening day, when Nick Folk had six touchbacks, he had only one at Sun Life Stadium. But Folk did put all five of his kickoffs into the end zone. Then Nick Bellore, Josh Mauga, Josh Bush and Joe McKnight made tackles, and the kick coverage also forced a pair of illegal blocks.

Then there was Robert Malone, who had his best day yet as the Jets’ punter. He hit six punts to the tune of a 45.7-yard gross — very good — and a 42.5 net — excellent. His four inside-the-20 punts is tied for fifth-most in a game by a Jet since 1991. No Jets qualifying punter has ever finished a season with a 40-yard net average, and Malone’s got 13 games to go, but his net after three games is at 40.0.

On punt coverage, Bellore had another tackle, as did Isaiah Trufant and rookie Demario Davis. “Zaiah” also downed a Malone punt at the Miami 5, the Dolphins’ fair-caught two others, and yet another illegal block was flagged against Miami.

“I think Malone’s off to a good start. He’s got a big, powerful leg that I like, and a very powerful, explosive lower body,” Westhoff said. “Now we just have to keep working with him on his timing and technique and all those little things. But he can bomb the ball. He’s done a real good job.”

As head coach Rex Ryan said Monday following his announcement of the severity of Darrelle Revis’ knee injury, “It’s going to take everybody we have, pulling together like we are and just keep competing, and we’ll see what happens at the end of the day.”

And everybody includes the hidden-yardage crew, not just the kickers and their coverage teams but the return teams led by McKnight and Jeremy Kerley, and the offense and the defense turning very good field position into great position if not points.

The numbers show how important that can be. In the eight games since ’90 that the Jets have held opponents to lower than an average drive start of less than their 20.0, their record is 7-1. And in the 60 games that opponents’ drive start has been lower than 25.0, the Jets’ record is 48-12 (.800). Field position is one major area in which the Jets can help optimize their opportunities in the wake of having to spend the rest of their season on Reeve-Less Island.

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68 Responses to “Outstanding Field Position Helped the Cause Sunday”

  1. By since shea on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Randy, thanks for the nice field position piece. You pointed out one of the only things that we did well in the game. Its only three games into the season and already many of us have that familiar feeling deep in our gut. Thanks for trying to give us a lift. But it will take all of the players to dig deep into their guts and play lights out the rest of the way.

  2. By scjoe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    I think those field position stats makes this victory even harder to digest. You have an offense that many would tell you is among the worse in the league, you have them start inside their 10 and 20 that often, AND it still takes you almost 5 quarters, a missed chip shot FG, and a stroke of luck caused by the opponents misuse of a TO to finally come away with the win? Not much to get excited about there.

  3. By scjoe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Is the signing of Grimes (RB) off of Houston’s practice squad a legitimate signing, or is it simply because Houston is coming up on the schedule week after this? Knowing the history here, I would go with the latter.

  4. By SCfromNY on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with scjoe. Great field position wasted by a underperforning D and O. I hope Malone doesn’t tire his leg punting so much. I can’t help repeating that we need to give the younger players on D a chance. I am tired of watching Scott make 1 dramatic play and then chase opponents around for the rest of the day. Is Rex trying to prove Tebow is not needed? Is Tanny trying to promote a Tebow trade? Did you see the Bengal’s wildcat result? a 72 yard pass for TD by a WR. LET SOMEONE ELSE RUN THE BALL!

  5. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, it all goes back to Mr T and Rex’s utterly inept way of building a team, back to Woodhead-to-Clowney-to-Turner and then maybe not even him. Why draft Ganaway, who looks really good, then let him go, then pick up Grimes, who I’m sure will be gone 2 weeks after the HOU game? I can’t swear to it in the absence of stats but it sure seems to me like this endless roster-pilfering for alleged strategic reasons — the apex of stupidity of which was with O’Connell — is one of the only real innovations that Rex has brought to this team. Like so much else he’s brought in, it’s a complete joke and a ridiculous waste of time. Almost as dumb as a #2 QB who can’t throw.

  6. By robertpapalia on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    I have said that before the season the Jets would win 4 or 5 games. Now that Revis is gone who knows? But this fact is certain. Tannenbaum and Ryan are the ones that are responsible for the personnel decsions on this team. They must be held accountable for the predictament the Jets are in. This team is no closer to a Super Bowl than they have been the last 43 years. And unless things change after the season they will be no closer in the next 43 years. A truly depressing thought. P. S. When will they beat a really top flight team?

  7. By wayne on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I know nothing about Grimes, but knowing of this regime’s love of style over substance, i would agree on the latter….Rex will have to coach his ample butt off to have any chance of making this a respectable season. i AM NOT TALKING ABOUT PLAYOFFS….There is absolutely no rhyme or reason to the utilization of Tebow…..NONE…Y’all can roll your eyes all you want, but Revis was not ready to play….don’t care what he said before the game..I opined on rushing him back….I could guarantee one thing would be different today had he not played….GQ is playing like a QB with no confidence….And with good reasons when he has friends like this Jet management team……Et tu?….Buckle up kids, ride’s bout 2 begin!

  8. By harry-o on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    so lets say the texans sign a player from the jets practice squad this week
    and then every week nfl teams sign players from the opposing team they are about to play ect. ect. there so much game film out there , practice squad players are good and only one snap away from dressing, to shuffle players around just for some intel, I don’t see it that way.

  9. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    A good breakdown of Goodell’s folly, from Reilly on ESPN: “We’re talking about an amount of money the NFL has stuck between filing cabinets on Park Avenue. The main sticking point is more than $3 million the refs want in a pension. The league only wants to give them 401(k)s. And yet Goodell is risking the integrity of his $9 billion league on a loose thread like this. He’s letting his house flood because he’s mad at his plumber”.

  10. By Jersey Joe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    What Randy’s (bright side) article does is demonstrate (unintentionally) that some of the players we’ve got covering those kicks, guys like Bellore, Mauga, Trufant, Davis, Bush and Joe Mcknight are making tackles/plays the starters can’t seem to make. At the start of the season I went on record stating “The Jets starting LB unit is the slowest in the NFL” With each passing game it’s becoming evident that Thomas, Pace and Scott are not athletic enough and lack the speed needed to cover TE’s and RB’s out of the backfield in today’s pass crazy NFL. Harris would be much more effective flanked by Davis and McIntyre or Maybin. I’m done with Shonne Green! Forget about “3 yards cloud of dust” This bum can’t get out of his own way!

  11. By TONY GARCIA on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    JET fan since 1969, jet fans the real ones will stick with team.NO one is playing great in our division. DOES anyone remember the early 70′s the LOU HOLTZ debacle.COME on guys it could be worse.

  12. By No one cares what Blinka thinks on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Ok, I know, I am beating the issue.

    Remember if Wilson performs poorly, HE’s A FRST ROUND DRAFT PICK. What’s going on in the front office!?
    Couples was labled lazy in college. We here from Rex that he does not practice hard. Why the surprise? He will be a bust if he does not change.
    Sorry folks but it seems to be year in and year out we these picks. What’s going on here!

    Revis is gone and THere is not one other player on this team that an opponent worries about. JEEZ!

  13. By DKM on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    For most of the game sunday MS clearly didnt have but as much as we like to knock him i have to say he hung in there and did grind it out and if you watch the rewind you can see for all incompletions there where many passes that schould have been caught. In particular right before the half Hill droped one in the Endzone, in the 3rd Quarter Cumberland a absolutly catchable pass in the end zone and schilens missed one so that makes 3 TDs wich would have decided the game for us without going into overtime.
    Was it a ugly win, yeah but winning in Miami beautyfull was never the Jets mantra ill take it and move on and JFS64 is right as long as we in the hunt im not giving up on the season.
    Agree on whoever said the Greene experiment is done.

  14. By Jersey Joe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Greene is WEARING OUT the O-line and killing drives. Think about it… Don’t you think our O-line gets tired of working their butts off and laying huge blocks play after play only to see Lashonne get 1 YARD – Mangold, Moore and co must have been looking over at Reggie Bush Sunday thinking “WOW, wonder what it’s like to block for a guy like that, you slip and fall down on your butt – he goes for 12 yards” Like what I saw from Powell (limited sample) he’s got a burst Greene never had – still kills me what NE manages to get out of Woodhead, he runs, catches, hell even blocks better than any back we’ve got. Anybody else want to see more Joe McKnight? Lets find out once and for all what we’ve got there beside a good kick-returner.

  15. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    We need offense from the first quarter through the 4th quarter. There is no way the jets can win if we can not score in the red zone. The next 3 weeks we have the 49′rs, Houston and New England. They will score points all 3 have good defenses and explosive offenses. If we do not score in the Red Zone against these teams and have to play catch-up we will not win. I am a die hard “JET FAN” and all I can say is “LETS GO JETS”…

  16. By Tom Spicer on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    I think the signing of Grimes is strictly to steal some of the Texans play book.

  17. By Tom Spicer on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    I heard cimini say that even thou Hill is probably going to miss this weeks game with a hamstring injury. His role would have been reduced anyway. He said he had to many big drops & that Kerley is playing to well. Kerley will start & move to the slot when Hill comes in in 3 wr sets.

  18. By Tom Spicer on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    I read in the next few weeks Powells role is going to get bigger & it said before long he will be starting for Greene. I guess the coaches are starting to lose faith.

  19. By DKM on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    You probabley right scjoe but at this point any RB cant do any worster than Greene so for now ill take him and squeeze whatever i can out of him (Grimes)and if its just knowledge and have Powell do the dirty work who still needs to show that he can do it on a consistent base and over a long period of time and also can take the weekly pounding the NFL throws at you with his undersized Body.

  20. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    TONY GARCIA, sure it could be worse but you’ve been a fan of the Jets long enough to know that’s practically become our slogan. When does it get dramatically better? When we get an owner who cares about winning instead of mere publicity, I think. DKM, yeah, there’s no reason to write off the season, you never know who on the bench can make a difference. It wouldn’t surprise me, for instance, to see players that Rex has underestimated — McKnight at RB, Kerley at WR, McIntyre at LB — shine given more playing time. Even Sanchez deserves the whole yr if you’re really gonna consider dumping him next yr. But once we can’t make the playoffs, if we can’t, I’d play a lot of different guys, starting with McElroy…

  21. By Jake on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Start Powell… that’s all I have to say on the RB subject. Wilson plays much better when he can use the sidelines, where he struggles is in the open field. Give him safety help over the top every play and he’ll be fine. The guy who has to show up every play now is #31. If Cro Struggles this defense, and team is done. The pass rush is obviously not going to get better so it comes down to coverage, and that starts with antonio. Also if Fasano can kill us like that, just think what Vernon Davis is going to do on Sunday. I’m worried.

  22. By scjoe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Harry- O, your analogy may correct for most NFL teams, but not for the NY Jets, history has taught us that.

  23. By scjoe on Sep 25, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I have heard over the past week or so that McKnight’s roll would incease as well, what happened there? it would be hard to conclude he isn’t fit because he is back there returning kicks every game.

  24. By scjoe on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Jersey Joe, couldn’t agree more about the speed (or lack there of) of these starting LBs. I can not for the life of me believe in this day and age in the NFL with free agency, the draft, and trade opportunities that this FO couldn’t or didn’t upgrade that position before this season even begun.When you factor in the ineptness of covering TEs and RBs out of the back field for so many years now, you have to wonder what Mr T and that entire FO is thinking about.

  25. By scjoe on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    SC from NY, Right on, that TD pass out of the wildcat formation by the Bengals came not just from A WR, but from a rookie WR. Wonder if they put as much time and effort in to their wild cat package as the NY Jets do in to theirs. NOT!!

  26. By Gregg from CA on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    I hate to see people in here quoting newspaper writers. They have no better information or insight than most of the posters on here, so why do you extend Cimini’s reach of misinformation by repeating it? The man is a hater that only once in a while turns out a nicely written bio or human interest piece on a specific player. Other than that, he’s a sad, disdainful detriment to the team that he’s supposed to be, by all accounts, supporting.

    Dan Hanzus could probably land a gig with the World Weekly News, as well…

  27. By Gregg from CA on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    What’s it gonna be with Hill? I hear Rex and T getting criticized for not playing and developing younger players, then I hear people complaining that Hill’s role should be reduced because he’s making mistakes.


    BTW, it’s not like Rex is acting like he’s blind. He itemized all of the problems after the game: not bouncing runs outside, receiving drops and route failures, inability to finish tackles. The question is if the position coaches can fix this stuff, not whether it’s going unnoticed.

  28. By SCfromNY on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    DKM, could not agree with you more about WR drops. Hill needs to be given a chance to adjust to NFL. Work him in not anoint him #2 with so little experience. He needs time to learn better route running and plays. Too much concentration on basic skills and you do not catch balls because you are thinking too much. Jerry Rice did not have a great rookie year. Powell seems to play well when diven a chance BUT what about McKight? He can change direction quickly, has a burst, and can actually make tacklers miss why is he so underused? Greene is not the answer. We can not afford to give him 20 carries for 38 yards so he can get into his groove. Twelve teams went to the playoffs without Revis. The Giants won the SB without a really good CB.

  29. By No one cares what Blinka thinks on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Please, will someone please throw hot cofee in my face.


    It’s staring to look like not only can I scout players better, but I bet Gary Meyers can too. LOL, what a hack.

    Eh, who cares what I think,

  30. By Tom Spicer on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    According to ESPN New York, the Jets have “no plans” to demote Shonn Greene, and he will “get the bulk of the carries” against the 49ers.
    Coach Rex Ryan said Monday it was “certainly a possibility” Greene would start ceding more early-down work to Bilal Powell, but that apparently won’t be the case in Week 4. Greene has averaged a Thomas Jones-esque 2.8 yards per carry through his first 57 totes, and though he’s received an unbelievable amount of slack from the Jets, there’s no way Powell won’t start cutting into his workload if his play doesn’t pick up soon

  31. By harry-o on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    49er’s, texan’s, and pat’s next
    we’ll see what this jets team is made of
    if you do not play well against play off contenders
    you can not consider yourself one
    just beat the pat’s twice this year , perhaps go 6-0 in div play
    dominate the div first , then the rest of AFC
    start some where

  32. By FL.Pete on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    This is very depressing!!! The jets are 2-1 and yet you all bash them with every blog from management to the players… Now i know why our team feels more comfortable playing on the road than home… Its pathetic honestly!!! As i said before, how can the WORST fans want the BEST team…? Go Jets

  33. By Russ on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Right on Tony Garcia and DMK…The J-E-T-S have no time to hang thier heads and we the fans shouldnt either!why all the gloom and doom?Weather you like him or not SANCHIZE SHOWS MOXY AT CRUNCH TIME!!!!!! WE definately need to see more Powell and Mcnight!!!!! Give Wilson a chance, nickel is WAY different than corner,you have to cover sideline to sideline!!!! Even Revis struggled with that!!Tanny should look into bringing Burress back forthe redzone offense,he is why we were#1 last year in that area! Would alsoliketo see more of Demario Davis,all i heard in pre-season is howgreat this guy is gonna be,cant be great unless you see the field!!!!!

  34. By FL.Pete on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Shonn Greene will be more effective in the weeks to come as it gets colder, guys hate to tackle big backs in the cold… has anyone thought for a second the defenses he has stuggled against are top 5 run defenses… Yes powell is more shifty and is a good change of pace back but thats all he is… If anything, the O-line is the weakness right now in terms of running game, any real “football expert” should know this… They are all soft from the previous system and lack the power to drive people off the ball… However i do feel they too can improve their power blocking and chemistry moving forward as the season moves forward… See, thats how a TRUE fan is optimistic for their team to succeed. I know IRA’s with me on this…

  35. By RON ALEXANDER on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    First of all let me say there are many great posts here today!Where to start/ O.k, Shonne Green; because of his running style(downhill) this guy needs a running start to get up to speed. Unfortunately,with our O.L, this is not a good fit. Guys like Mendenhall in Pitt and Payton Hillis are simular style backs who play with better o-lines and are thus more successful.Also contributing to Greens demise is the fact he broke his rids in 2010 against the Colts in the playoff game. Frankly,he has not been the same guy since. At this point its time to move forward!DKM, the Jet linebackers are all too slow!Including Harris. Now dont get me wrong, i love Harris cause he sticks his head in and busts people. Now Pace was awful last week and
    i have -

  36. By RON ALEXANDER on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    cont. no idea why we resighned Thomas? He and Pace are like twin bookends(completely stationary!!!! Scott may have lost weight but it still looks like he is carrying a safe on his back! I keep reading posts here about next years draft? All I can say about that is be careful what you wish for! From what I have read Woody Johnson has absoloutely no intention of replaceing Tannenbaum and in case no ones noticed this years draft is a complete 100% disaster! Q.Coples is looking more and more like a Vern Gholston replay. S.Hill who I acknowledge has great potential is just not ready for prime time!D.Davis is either not as good as advertised or Rex is just too clueless to use him? I’d like to talk about more of our draft pic’s but othar than -

  37. By Tom Spicer on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Page 54 of todays New York Post Pro Football Focus rated Greene the least elusive back in the entire NFL! They need to give the ball to Powell & McKnight more!

  38. By DKM on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    FL.Pete to some extend you right that the O line hasnt played up to there potential and i excpected so much more and it has to improve and ive been saying since preseason and last year that the left side on the line is as much suspect as the right, they just got more heat cause of the horendous play of Hunter, but i must say Greene is not and will not be the Answer if this Team will sucseed in Ground and Pound, any RB who cant adjust to holes given to him nevermind finding them and cant bounce off or find a way to run on the outside will only be one dimentional player and never be any good in the NFL dont matter what Temperatur it is.

  39. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Rare sanity from over-the-hill Lupica: “There was a time in this league,” Parcells said, “when giving up 400 points got you fired.” The Jets, even with Revis, tried to get to 400 last yr but did not, even though they lost the 5 games in which they gave up 30 points or more. Is it going to be harder for them on defense without Revis? Of course. But tell me the CBs the Giants used in winning two SBs the past 4 years and win valuable prizes. Good CBs matter. Good cover CBs matter. Just not as much as guys who rush the QB. [That one's for you, Arte -- my note.] The issues for the Jets remain the same as they were before Revis went down: The QB has to throw it better and more accurately, the young receivers have to catch it better,” etc.

  40. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I TOLD you that Kerley threw a better Wildcat pass last yr than any pass that either Sanchez or Tebow threw all last yr, but you didn’t listen. (Okay, maybe you’re one of the ones that did.) Gregg, it’s actually NOT about Rex noticing what’s wrong, any fool in the cheap seats can do that. It’s about Rex having the skill to draft, groom, and play the right players, and on those levels he scores out pathetically. Unless you count his superstar FB John Conner…

  41. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    FL.Pete, the best fans have had one of the worst teams for too long, which is one reason they’re not fooled by a 2-1 record 3 games in with both victories coming against two of the worst teams in the league.

  42. By scjoe on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Gregg from cali, I said the day he was drafted that Hill was the wrong selection, I said from the day he was anointed the starter that he was NOWHERE near ready to be an NFL starter, not with 49 total receptions in his entire college career. There has been absolutely nothing to date that has changed my mind on him, not unless he is even worse then I originally thought he would be. Also, there is a big difference between “itemizing” problems and correcting them. I put that on Tbomb, not Rex, because you can’t correct problems if you don’t have the personnel to do so.

  43. By Howie D on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    JerseyJoe: Great point about the special teams effort. I’d like to see Bellore get some reps. Last year, even though it was preseason, he got a couple sacks in one game and was impressive every time he was on the field. I don’t understand why we don’t bench starters when they’re not performing. Our tackling is atrocious, among the worst in the NFL. The objective is to win every game and we’ve got use the players who give us the best opportunity. Unfortunately, some of our starters aren’t doing that.

  44. By scjoe on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Florida Pete, yea, it’s just to bad “optimism” in itself don’t translate in to success on the field? It has about as much effect on the team winning then being negative (or realistic) as I like to call it, has to do with losing on the field. As for Shonn Greene? Shonn Greene is Shonn Greene’s problem, not the O line. He is no more then a complementary back to a guy like Spiller, or Bush. I know you saw what those 2 did to a Jet defense that is also “supposed to be” top 5. How do you think our O line would be with one of those 2 running the ball behind them? You know, a back who can actually get to the outside AND run between the tackles?

  45. By scjoe on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, how can Shonn Greene’s play possibly pick up? If and when he does get through the hole he can’t even run away from OUR LBs, if he can’t run away from them, who can he possibly run away from through out the rest of the league?

  46. By robertpapalia on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    I guess if Woody has no intention of replacing the maestro of this mess Tannenbaum then he should sell the team. Let someone who is serious run this team and not a half hearted owner. This is a very depressing situation.

  47. By Tom Spicer on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    McKnight is moving to cornerback “in a near full-time role.” This is apparently the Jets’ plan to offset the loss of Darrelle Revis. “He’ll have a role on offense, but we’re also teaching him how to play corner,” coach Rex Ryan said. “Not quite a full-time capacity, but he’s going to be over there a ton in the meetings and everything else. He has the necessary skills to be able to play corner. He’s got the speed, the size, the athleticism, the ball skills.” McKnight was a star corner in high school, but that was over half a decade ago. The move speaks to both the Jets’ increasingly flawed roster, and McKnight’s disappointing production at running back. Bilal Powell is locked in as the Jets’ No. 2 back, and a major threat to Greenes workload

  48. By since shea on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Lets face it. Our team is not on that top elite level of teams that you see each year. We are middle of the road. Yes, 2 AFC champ games but what was our regular season record then, 9-7? True, we had nice playoff success. We barely beat lousey teams now and might be embarassed by SF, Houston and Brady. We dont draft well and dont develop them to succeed. Wilkerson, Kendrick Ellis, Coples, Pouha, Devito should have been a monster pass rush. Did you see Seattle’s pass rush with their rookie? Demario Davis? Maybin? Are they that bad that they arent playing in place of Scott, Pace and yes, Harris (the most overpaid LB in the NFL?). We have not drafted O linemen nor high profile RB’s, so forget ground & pound. How about 8-8 and Mr T goes away!

  49. By THUNDER LIPS on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    soooooooooo id like to take a trip down memory lane to a few years back when this defense was really dynamite. it was n’t just revis.. we had another beast on Defense. anybody remember his name … Kris Jenkins. with him killing peope upfront and revis covering in the back we were a #1 defense. what did we do to replace jenkins. nothing. instead rex in his CB infatuated world did nothing to address it. did he ever think that revis could go down. well now he is and the guy that we designed our whole team around is gone not just for a game or 2 but for the whole season and he may never be the same. you think just maybe its time to start thinking post 1985 bears . if we had an offense losing revis wouldn’t be the end of the world.

  50. By THUNDER LIPS on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    cont’d a pass rush losing revis would not be the end of the world. i hope the boys step up and triumph. hard times produces heroes and stars. i dont think sanchez is a great qb but i dont think he was ever given a true opportuity to thrive either. AND like many others here, i agree that the problem starts at the top with WOODY. he cares more about publicity then football. as long as we are on the back page and have a story on espn every other day he is content.

  51. By kleckofan on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    I am with Since Shea, again. How many ways can we all get back to saying FIRE TANNENBAUM? or sell the team.

    JFT64, not to beat a dead horse (probably too late), but i think the article in the CS Monitor does a better job of describing the impasse w the refs. It is not a simple “throw money at the problem” issue. Here’s the link: http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2012/0921/NFL-referee-lockout-drags-on-4-issues-keeping-replacement-refs-on-the-field/Retirement-benefits

    There are always two sides, but it’s really easy to hate on the League given the owners’ wealth and the failures of the Stepford Refs. There are definitely issues where the regular refs and their union are being pig-headed as well. Anyway, the nightmare will be over soon.

  52. By scjoe on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    64, you are right! I was one of those who listened. Here is my take on this WC folly. When I first heard about the trade for Tebow I was besides myself. I thought “what are they doing”. THEN, I heard so much about how Tebow had improved his mechanics, his foot work and his tecnique during the off season I said hey, maybe this WC could work, and at the same time we would finally have a viable b/u QB on the roster. Well, after further review it is NOT! On both counts. The fix? See what Tebow brings on the open market, go out and sign a viable b/u (Hoyer?) and concentrate on making this offense somewhat respectable.

  53. By FL.Pete on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe and jet fan 64 Tom, maybe you should become Giants fans… Im sure they have the stand up organization that you guys appeciate… but thaats too easy, you’d rather come here and league cancerous blogs everyday about your favorite Jets… This is like a marriage, if it doesnt work for you then let it go, why stick around for 40 years of mysery… Go Jets!!!! The Real Fans Love You!!!!

  54. By SCfromNY on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve said losing Revis is terrible. BUT good teams, coaches, and GM find a way around it. The Giants did it with a monster pass rush. Rex has been calling the DL out as almost future HOF canidates yet they can not rush or when they do they miss the QB. And yes I know it was Big Ben but teams are getting to Vick and he is more elusive than Ben. Why are younger / faster LBs being held back? Is Rex afraid to make changes. He may not want to kiss Beliciks ring but perhaps he would benefit from watching the moves he makes.

  55. By FL.Pete on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, name something that you like about the team becaue all i hear about is your disllikes…? that miami team has a tough defense and effective offense so there should be more respect given to the Jets for beating them… yet all you can do is find what you think to be negative issues and talk about them…

  56. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    I’ll check that article out, kleckofan, especially since you’re the professional when it comes to this stuff.

  57. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Randy, far beit for me to question, anything written by you, but the very topic is what’s most disturbing,about this win….Sanchez Having great field position through out the game, he’s only able to muster 6 offensive points until late 4th quarter is offensive all on it’s own, not to mention ,win was counterfeited by Rob Carpenter’s missed 2 field goals.What’s worst if he didn’t miss early one missed late.. would natter not . Point being this win is very hard to swallow

  58. By Kyfan on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, the jets had some great field positions, that helped immensely. But, what good is being down at the ONE – that’s only 36 inches folks – and end up having to kick a field goal?! I think Ryan made a poor decision on that play. The defense knew Sanchez wouldn’t try to run the ball in – that he was going to throw every down. After the first pass was incomplete, he should have put Tebow in there to stir things up. He’s not afraid to run the ball one yard for a TD – and has a proven success of doing so! Those extra points would have prevented an OT outcome! I thought Ryan was going to take advantage of the talent he has for certain situations – but I can plainly see now he has no idea how to do it!

  59. By Mike Jet Vet on Sep 26, 2012 | Reply

    I hear many ask, why after 3 seasons isn’t Joe McKnight playing more at RB . I guess you’ve all forgotten his droppsies he can’t take a HIT, Rex can’t trust he’ll carry the load at critical times in a game. I seem to remember him dropping his lunch in camp when introduced to the NFL. and why Rex will try him at CB. even Rex and TS can’t be that unconscious. if he were remotely valuable at RB I’m guessing he would have a bigger role on offense by now , utilizing his speed at Corner not carrying the rock, actually I like this move, hopefully it works

  60. By Gregg from CA on Sep 27, 2012 | Reply

    Well, I guess I’m not conveying my thoughts well enough, if the only thing people are going to comment on is the first sentence of what I write. I’m trying to respond to people who say that Rex is clueless about coaching a team, as in he doesn’t recognize the problems, and you give me “cheap seats” comments.

    The gist of what I was trying to say is that he stated CLEARLY what his intentions were in addressing issues in practice, and that I hoped the assistants were going to be successful in implementing improvements. Do any of you REALLY think that it’s the head coach’s job to INDIVIDUALLY work with each of the 53 players on their techniques during the week?

  61. By Gregg from CA on Sep 27, 2012 | Reply

    While we’re at it, do any of you Woody-bashers remember someone named Daniel Snyder? He was (almost) universally despised as a team destroyer a few years ago, but I don’t recall hearing any furor recently. Jerry Jones has had his times where a good number of football fans would have liked to see him disappear, as well as Al Davis.

    The point is that things change, people learn, and a football team is NOT necessarily the entirety of an owner’s life. R. W. Johnson III has a bit more going on in his world than whether Shonn Greene is being “managed” properly. Football is a game, a recreation activity, and you can stop watching if you aren’t satisfied with the “product”.

  62. By scjoe on Sep 27, 2012 | Reply

    Fl Pete. I have addressed the “go root for another team” issue with much more knowledgeable Jet fans, so I wont even go there. Some people like to drop in here occasionally and pick out select posts that fit their agenda. Either they don’t read the rest of them or they choose not to comment on them because again, they don’t fit their agenda. See, I don;t have an agenda. I write about what I see, reality as I like to call it. Like it or not! I am a long time, knowledgeable Jet fan and I don’t find the need to have to defend my thoughts to anybody. Good day sir!

  63. By THUNDER LIPS on Sep 27, 2012 | Reply

    Dan G,

    Jenkins was there for a large part of the 09 season where IMHO we had the best team. he did get hurt halfway through the season, and our record also reflected that. we alos lost leon that year which hurt us on offense. it went downhill after that and we sort of backed into the playoffs. what i am trying to say is that our defense is average at best without revis, and how this organization did not plan for that rainy day when he would go down is beyong me. kind of like how they have tebow as a backup quaterback. if Mark goes down drop the curtain. does anyone recall tebow actually throwing the ball in preseason … it was horrid.

  64. By THUNDER LIPS on Sep 27, 2012 | Reply

    however on the otherhand i love being the underdog and going unnoticed and i hope that Wilson and Lankster and Coples all step it up and shine. it would be wonderful to not have 15mil a year tied up in a cornerback. Anybody else think that kills this team in terms of free agency and offseason moves.

  65. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 27, 2012 | Reply

    FL.Pete, you get the Bad Analogy Award for the day, not surprising coming from someone who wins the Bad Grasp of Pro Football Award almost every day. The hard thing about marriage is that you have to make it work with one person over time. The easier thing about pro football is that while the franchise stays the same, you are free to change GMs, HCs, QBs, stadiums, even locations if you’re really determined to get results. Well, all of those changes would be advisable in the case of the Jets, who will always be the loser little brother in the Giants’ stadium. In that respect, while I don’t root for the Giants unless the Jets are out of it, yeah, I do rather admire the Giants’ organization for the way it turned itself around since the 1980s.

  66. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Sep 27, 2012 | Reply

    Three major fallacies in your posts today, Gregg: (1) We’d need a 10,000-character limit to fully describe Rex’s daily failings as a HC in even a dozen posts, so “cheap seats” analogies are an abbreviated way of calling out some folks’ limited analyses. (2) The best owners are the most intelligently involved ones, as any fan of New York City sports teams of the last, oh, hundred years or so should know (3) Your biggest mistake is calling pro football a game or a recreation activity when everyone on this site knows that it’s, of course, a religion.

  67. By scjoe on Sep 27, 2012 | Reply

    .Gregg from ca, football is a game, and a recreation activity? Maybe to you and I it is, but certainly not to Woody Johnson and Daniel Snyder. Speaking of Daniel Snyder as you did, what has his team won since he left the land of the disenchanted to the land of content where everything is fine? I am a Rex fan, have been all along, and you are 100% right that he can’t possibly give individual attention to every player on the roster, that is why he has coordinators, coaches and assistant coaches. BUT, if a certain phase of the game is vastly underperforming it then becomes his responsibility to make the necessary corrections, whether that be coaches or players.

  68. By RON ALEXANDER on Sep 28, 2012 | Reply

    FL.PETE, Interesting you chose two of the best most realistic guys here to go after? While I admire your loyalty to your team I must ask you, In the marriage you mentioned how long would you stay married if your wife continually spent all your money,ran up all your credit cards past your ability to pay them and for good measure cheated on you every chance she got? I’m guessing you would at least seek counceling or perhaps even an attorney to do what ever needed to be done.Like you 64 and S.c.Joe love this team and after 40 plus years of failure feel the need to express their frustration and offer constructive critism. i cant think of any reason why you would have a problem with that?

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