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Moving Forward from SF; Holmes X-Rays Negative

Posted by Randy Lange on October 1, 2012 – 3:24 pm

Updated, 5:45 p.m. ET

For some games, there are no silver linings. It’s all just dark clouds.

Hopefully for the day only, though. Now is there a chance that the Jets’ 34-0 loss to the 49ers on Sunday is a harbinger for the season?

Well, there is a chance. But the Jets are hardly throwing in the towel. Today and tomorrow are off days for the players, yet many will be at the Atlantic Health Training Center searching for mirrors and solutions. And the coaches are closeted here over the next two days doing the same from their end of the operation.

“I think it was pretty evident after the game,” head coach Rex Ryan said at today’s midday news conference of these coaches-only sessions. “Once you win, sometimes it’s harder to look, sometimes you don’t take as close a look at yourself as you need to. After you get beat like this, it’s not hard to. It’s something I just felt we needed to do.

“We have to come up with solutions. If we keep repeating the same things, how can we expect the results to change? That’s the challenge to the coaching staff. We’ve got to put our guys in the best positions to be successful and move forward.”

What gives Rex and the players confidence that they can right the ship?

“Because you have to,” guard Brandon Moore said on a conference call with reporters today. “There’s no other option.”

I think it was Green Bay coach Mike McCarthy who put it elegantly in an interview that aired Saturday on Sirius/XM NFL Radio. With the Packers coming off a difficult setback of their own (the last-second defeat at Seattle, which admittedly was not a 34-point home loss), McCarthy was asked about the mindset of his team.

“We welcome the opportunity to show how much we appreciate this game and how well we respond to adversity,” he said, or words to that effect.

There’s another reason not to raise the white flag for the Jets, even with the undefeated Texans riding into town for a primetime showdown with the Jets a week from tonight. History says things will get a lot closer in a week’s time.

Since 2000, for example, 25 teams lost home games by 34 or more points, by an average score of 42-6. Ooof. Their composite record in their next weeks’ games: 10-15 and an average score of 22-18, still in favor of the opponents but a lot

The success stories: The 2011 Tim Tebow Broncos lost at home to Detroit, 45-10 in Week 8, then went to Oakland and pillaged the Raiders, 38-24. The 2007 non-Tebow Broncos lost at Mile High to San Diego, 41-3, in Week 5, then hosted Pittsburgh and prevailed, 31-28. The ’05 Browns were smelted by the Steelers at home, 41-0, in Week 16, the finished up by beating Ryan’s former team, the Ravens, 20-16.

The Jets’ record in similar situations — 34-point home loss — showed no wins in five tries but with improved play the following week and the weeks after that. In 2002 they were crushed at home by the Patriots, 44-7, but overcame their 1-4 start to finish 9-7 and in the playoffs.

Open it up to performance after difficult defeats on the road and we have the ’06 playoff team that lost at Jacksonville, 41-0, and Rex’s ’10 model, which suffered their post-Jim Leonhard-injury letdown in the 45-3 rout at New England, then won four of their next six, including two road playoff games.

Of course, history reveals failures to bounce back from such adversity as well. It’s up to Ryan, his coaches and his players to show what it’s going to be in 2012.

“We have to challenge ourselves, and that’s what I think our team will do,” he said. “That’s why I needed the time away for the players. We can focus on the game, obviously, and focus on the solutions. By Wednesday we have to have some solutions ready to go.”

Holmes: Good News, No Break

Ryan said WR Santonio Holmes had X-rays on his left foot, injured early in the fourth quarter Sunday, and the results were negative, no break. He understands it’s not an Achilles injury but had no other details while the team doctors and trainers wait for the MRI results to return. How soon could Tone return? “Obviously, it looks doubtful for this week,” the coach said. “Further than that, I’m not sure.”

He didn’t rule out signing a wideout or a player at another position but said he and GM Mike Tannenbaum “will certainly look at those possibilities” that give the Jets the best chance to be successful.

Berry Juice?

One of those possibilities is CB Aaron Berry. The Jets hadn’t announced this addition but Ryan confirmed that Berry is coming aboard.

“We feel Aaron has a chance to be successful on and off the field here, and if we didn’t believe that, we wouldn’t bring him here,” Ryan said. “As a player, he has the physical skillset we look for in our corners, and No. 1 is man cover skills. He has that.”

But the 5’11”, 180-pound third-year man out of Pitt also comes with baggage, two arrests in a month that led the Lions to cut him July 23 and the NFL to suspend him for three games for violating the league’s personal-conduct policy.

“Everybody’s made mistakes in our lives. I’ve always talked about it, and certainly I’ve made more than my share,” the coach said. “But we do background checks, Matt Cavanaugh was on the staff at Pitt when he was there. We feel good about Aaron.”

Rex had no timetable for how quickly Berry can get up to speed, but one result of the signing is that “We can put Joe McKnight back full-time at running back.” McKnight was pressed into potential emergency duty as a cornerback and who knows, may still pop up there down the road. He was in on two first-quarter plays against the Niners, blitzing from the slot both times.

McKnight also got in two kickoff returns vs. SF for 73 yards and the NFL’s defending KOR leader moved up to 10th in the current rankings with a 27.1-yard average on 10 returns.

Update: The Jets announced the signing of Berry, while TE Dedrick Epps was waived/injured. Berry will wear uniform No. 22.

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152 Responses to “Moving Forward from SF; Holmes X-Rays Negative”

  1. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    O.k, its been a while and we’ve all had a little time to digest the stench from this weeks “debacle!” Not sure I feel any better now than earlier today but its interesting to see whats being written. Bleacher Report had a good piece today concerning Tanney! It looks like the guys here on Randy’s blog have a lot of allies in the media these days as the incompetence throughout this organization has clearly been exposed. S.C.Joe my man, you know I have buccou respect for you and your post are always excellent.That being said I have to disagree with you on Rex. I have been a supporter to this point but his lack of accountability is just too much for me to go along with. I do think its time to re evaluate this whole Regime. Rex,Tanney & M.S,

  2. By GaryC on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    found myself in Jersey this week,must say Atlantic City was nice and thought it would be nice to see a full jet game,was excited,didn’t last,same ole jets,found myself watching more of the Ryder Cup.well,what do they say about the best laid plans.

  3. By GaryC on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    To Rex,you saw what a physical team is all about,what you have isn’t.That safety Gholson,first takes out Epps,then he knocks the ball from Holmes on a bomb,now that is a safety.To the Nick Mangold fans,he is not quite Kevin Mawae yet.Why is it that the jets are always using defensive timeouts,this goes back to the Herman Edwards days,is it that easy for this team to get confused,so much for those wonderlick tests at the combine.

  4. By Jersey Joe on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    I have some insight on Aaron Berry – he was going to be a starting corner for Detroit this season but he made some bad decisions (off the field) – the Lions had to release somebody since they had 3 or 4 other players with significant legal (substance abuse) issues. Berry might be a decent player who needed a change of scenery. Anyone have any info on Walls the other CB we picked up? Looks like he has decent size/speed 6′ and 4.3 dash. Thrilled that Joe McKnight is going back to RB full time, they desperately any explosive speed they can get – what about screens, reverses and lining up Joe in the slot. Get the guy out there in space, if his instincts in the back-field (in Ryan’s eyes) are poor, find another way to put his skill-set to use

  5. By GaryC on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    where is Maybin, maybe he is a bust after all,but is he that much worse then Pace and Thomas.To Tanny and Rex,stop looking under rocks for players,most teams look on the football fields,no wonder we have short corners,they are the only ones who fit under those rocks that you are searching for players.

  6. By joeyjets12fla on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    you know the funny thing in yesterdays game was, the db position with revis out wasn’t our problem. is anyone in the front office gonna look at the o-line, the d-line, the line backers that can’t tackle, our running back situation, and last the horrific play at the quarter back position.

  7. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    No Silver Linings, I agree. Jets are coming off of a shut-out to play Houston. I believe they are the most complete team in the NFL. With the amount of interceptions, sacks, fumbles and way below average q/b ratings do you really expect to win this game. How about our running game which is nul and void. All this talk about bringing in CB Aaron Berry who is 5’8″ great choice. How about bringing Plexico Burris back. He has so much talent and is sitting at home. How about starting the third sting q/b, right now the way I see it Sanchez just gets worse with each game and its for sure Tebow is not the answer. How about signing a r/b that can run. YES, I am frustrated over the Jets lack of ability to score. Holmes is great news…

  8. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Figure things out.
    Get this fixed

    Are you kidding us are insulting us. You can’t fix this team. In my opinion this team lacks talent, leadership and makes me very bitter.

    Bitter Blinks

  9. By GaryC on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    even a 300 pound tackle had Scott beat on the goalline,where he had to grab the guy,Have we seen enough of this guy yet,”cant wait” to wave bye bye.Kyle wilson seems more interested in seeing his dreads haven’t been harmed in any way.

  10. By BillsJets on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    What”s up with the JETS, dropping another player because he gets injured and then turning around and picking up another troubled player. Maybe the Jets need to do their recruiting at the prisons in the States then at the state Universities.

  11. By Ed Baumann on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Dear Rex, Mr. T ,Woody Johnson and Randy: I have one question that I have asked over and over, and no-one has the answer. Maybe you can help out a Jets fan that has felt completely disgusted over the last 3 games. Why is Plaxico not wearing green and white????? Is it because our receivers are that good? Wake up and get him signed before this season slips away. And while you’re at it, Rex, it is time for a quarterback change!!!!!!!!!! Sanchez reminds me of listening to Richie Kotite after another Jets loss. ..”They tried hard”…….Fire up the offense and get Tebow in there, let him play and forget about bruised egos. You owe it to the faithful fans that are paying top money to watch these games.

  12. By GaryC on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    the love affair with Plastico Burress continues,will it ever end,you would have thought this guy won US a Super Bowl.Please,Giant Fans leave this page.

  13. By BillsJets on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    New York Jets tailgating guide – Kiss your way over priced home tickets good bye, Drink lots of beer, imagine your at the Yankee world series games, go straight home and fall asleep, then dream that when you wake up the next day that Sanchez, Cromartie, all the Jets Wide Receivers, and defensive linemen minus DeVito have all been traded to other teams, then the Jets GM sends out a poll to all the season ticket holders and says who would you like to see at QB and then the Jet fans vote and then that’s who you pick, and then do this for all the other positions. At least then the fans can take the blame for the players that are on the team. If all this doesn’t pan out, drink lots of beer again, The End.

  14. By GaryC on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Are there any players out there anymore who don’t have issues,This is what is left to depend on.

  15. By robertpapalia on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Just like I thought. Woody is more interested in Romney winning than the Jets. Well guess what Woody, Romney is not going to win and the Jets are crashing! That said the Jets need a clean sweep of the front office as well as the coaching staff. Maybe Woody has to even sell the team. Something needs to be done or else Jets fans like myself will continue to wallow in our misery. For me personally that is 48 years and counting, with 1 Super Bowl to show for it.

  16. By GaryC on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    I know the perfect combo to get the jets back,the Mangenius-Fassel combo,Both under Rex,mangenious for d coordinator and Fassel for o coordinator.

  17. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Jet fan ’64

    You are right about Sanchez. Time to move on. Add him to the list.


    Honestly, when will Woody take his head out of the sand?!

    Bitter Blinka

  18. By Howie D on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Time for McElroy. I don’t know if he’s the answer, but I’d like to know – NOW. McKinght should be #1 – NOW, Greene doesn’t have the finesse to make things happens. Wilson was lucky 3 balls were overthrown, or the result would have been much worst.

  19. By Howie D on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    In addition to a QB change, we also need a new QB coach. Cavanaugh has been flying under the radar for years. He’s directly responsible for the QB’S productivity. Let’s get Chad Pennington in as QB coach. The QB position is much too important to be this inconsistent, for so long.

  20. By Howie D on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply


  21. By Another Tom on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Rex…Instead of just talking about fixing things actually attempt to change things by making a QB switch..My guess is most players, fans and media members will respect you for doing so…Send a message to MS now…You might want to spend more time on tackling drills also

  22. By scjoe on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Here is my question (well, at least one of them) What “solutions” can you possibly come up with that have not already been addressed, discussed, and dissected from OTAs, through mini camp, training camp, preseason and one quarter of the way through the reg season? The only possible solutions that can make a difference at this point would be wholesale changes in the starting lineup. Now, even that may not be enough, but it extremely important that we find out now, as opposed to next season.

  23. By SCfromNY on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    As everyone says reflection on Sunday has not produced any good points. Another poster said what I have said over and over . . . Hire Gruden. pettine is obviously not a great DC. He could leave on the same bus as Sporano who makes us miss Schotty. I’m sorry I see other teams with what is called “suspect” talent perform on a weekly basis. I keep saying I like Rex but i believe he is too much of a “fan” to be a HC. He truly likes players and gives them far too much credit. Time to raid practice squads. How can we do worse? Read Scott’s reasons for poor performance and nowhere did it mention poor tackling and old, slow players. Parcells wouldn’t want the rigors of HC but I bet he would take GM. He loves to show off and how can he do worse?

  24. By scjoe on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, here is my theory, I posted it in an earlier story. It is not the fact that I am pro Rex 100%, he has his shortcomings, it is also a function of who replaces him? What recycled failure would you recommend? If you get Cowher, you are not getting the elite players he had while in Pit. At this point, a HC change will do about as much as that OC change everyone was clamoring for the past 3 seasons has done. Absolutely, positively NOTHING! If this personnel remains status quo, Vince Lombardi would not be able to win with it.

  25. By scjoe on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    As if that SF “debacle” was not bad enough, I think the 49rs tried to add insult to injury (successfully I might add) by showing everybody how the “wildcat” offense is supposed to work. All we heard about since Tebow was signed, is the WC, or Wild Gator. Well, the only successful WC packages I have seen so far are those that were run against the NYJ. Randy, I would LOVE to see all the stats with the Jets running the wildcat, and the Jets defending the WC in the 4 games to date. I have a funny feeling they could be even worse then I anticipated.

  26. By scjoe on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Bitter Blinka, from Bitter scjoe, I would say they are doing both, kidding us AND insulting us. I agree that you can not “fix” this team, but there is a better then even chance you can improve it by playing some of the younger, stronger, faster players who are currently observers. Because at this point in time, from what I have seen, you have nothing to lose, everything to gain. Of course my belief still is, Rex needs Tbums approval to do so.

  27. By MIKE on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Randy, why is Ducasse subbing in for Slauson from time to time? Is Slauson banged up or something? I originally thought they were using Ducasse for some type of jumbo package but then I noticed Slauson wasn’t on the field at all.

  28. By Randy Lange on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    MIKE, after the Pittsburgh game Rex Ryan said, “I think Vlad has earned the right to play some.” Over the past three games combined, Ducasse has been on the field for 46 plays, most of them at LG for Matt Slauson.

  29. By MIKE on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    I know Rex had a very good run defense and run offense his first two seasons but wasn’t Mangini’s last season good as far as those category’s go as well. I seem to recall Thomas Jones having a great year when Favre was QB. Also big Chris Jenkins was signed that year as well I think who helped stuff the run.

  30. By scjoe on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Just got finished reading Cimini”s very interesting article about Woddy Johnson. What makes it interesting is the fact that it validates what I have been saying re: Rex and his inability to run the club as HE sees fit. Here is Johnson’s “interesting” quote…..”No, this doesn’t mean Tim Tebow is starting next week, but it’s a question that will be asked more frequently if this progresses because this is unacceptable playing,” Johnson said, adding, “We let our fans down.” Now tell me, who dictates who plays and who sits? Certainly not the HC

  31. By 40 year fan , John on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    This is not all Rex’s fault ..It also has to do with our players ..They just aren’t good enough for the NFL ..Too slow mentally , and too slow on the field ..Everybody knows what our offense is going to do every play …

  32. By 40 year fan , John on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    I would take our play book and throw it in the garbage ..Time to start over from the simplest basics..Our screen plays are aweful , our quick outs aweful , our slants bad , nobody gets open in the flats , y posts and fly routes are terrible ..We have no recievers , no running backs , no tight ends ….No back up QB , …..WHAT DO WE HAVE ???

  33. By 40 year fan , John on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Oh yeah and the O Line was ram shackled together at the last second , before the season started …

  34. By 40 year fan , John on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    BRING BACK PARCELLS !!! No matter what the price …THIS IS A MESS

  35. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    You guys got the personnel problems covered, here’s one about the owner: “Johnson plans to vote for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, and says a Romney victory in November is more important than a winning season for the Jets.” I won’t tip my hand about who I’m voting for because I don’t want to get into a discussion of that on this site. I will say any owner who’d say a thing like this has no business owning an NFL team. Go off and be ambassador to Ireland or England or Clueless Owner Land, Woody, but sell this team to somebody who’s determined to turn it into a winner, not boringly lecturing us on “the debt we’re leaving our children,” etc. I get enough of that on the news every day, the news I need is that the Jets are GOOD!

  36. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    Ah, and I see RON A finally gives up on Rex…or maybe gives up, only to gain faith again when we luck out against some terrible team. That’s okay, RON, the nature of all progress is two steps forward, one step back, so it’s good that you’re starting to see the light. Yesterday’s game really got under your skin, eh GaryC, and that’s without you even watching it, apparently. Spice, you’re having a meltdown too, it seems. Well, folks, when I see posts and headlines around the sports press about how the Jets need to rebuild — and even a few folks like Karan saying we’ve been rebuilding already — I have hope for the makeover that we need. As for Holmes, I hope he recovers in full so we can trade him before the 2013 draft.

  37. By Ronald T on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    28 teams passed on Kyle Wilson. Now we know why.He can’t play in space, can’t play press and he can’t tackle.

  38. By Charliejet on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    These weren’t the same ole jets. No. The same ole jets played better then these Jets!

  39. By since shea on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    We continue to pick up other teams cast offs! Look at the team you have built Tanny! No talent anywhere! Castoffs all around. But for the first time ever, it felt like we were the visiting team. We were outnumbered in our own house. When they went for it on 4th and goal from the 2 yd line, the stadium was loud. We screamed for the defense to hold. Then, a mighty roar!! Could it be? We held? NO!!!!!! It was the SF fans screaming about making the TD. This is the product that Tanny and company has given us. Our fans sell their seats instead of witnessing this weekly disgrace. They run the wildcat that we were selling. What an embarrassment. 3-13 and we get a new QB, GM, HC and start over AGAIN.

  40. By maryk on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    –until you actually do something all that talk is just hot air–we have to dig deep–gut check time-people have to step up-blah blah blah

  41. By since shea on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    I have said that Rex was the “good soldier” taking his marching orders from an incompetent GM and/or owner. From getting rid of talent to bringing in castoffs and sideshow acts like TT and Sporano as an OC. I didnt believe it was Rex but I blame him now too. He doesnt change things up when we are getting whipped? Tanny and Woody arent telling him to bench Coples or Maybin on offense in the the first quarter. Bench the starters and play McElroy, Coples, Demario Davis, Maybin, McKnight at RB and whoever else. Woody hired a non football man as president this year. Imagine if he hired a football man like Jon Gruden? Oh, that only makes sense for Denver and John Elway. This could be total implosion time.

  42. By Jersey Joe on Oct 1, 2012 | Reply

    JFS64Frank – Several sources list Berry as 5’11” not 5’8″ – I’ve seen him play in Detroit looks like he’s got some skills. The other CB they picked up (Walls) is interesting too – Atlanta was high on him until he had some kind of soft tissue injury and they had to make room on their roster. I approve of any CB’s the Jets grab at this point, Wilson looks like a bust. Plus they NEED McKnight’s speed in the backfield more then they need a situational blitzer on D. What happened to the new improved, confident, (relatively) accurate Sanchez we saw against the Bills? I just can’t figure this guy out, except that – he is a different player when Keller is in the game. What happened to the Tebow at TE experiment?

  43. By Mike V on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets are a complete disaster. You simply cannot win with these most of these players. We have some talent scattered around but not enough and no heart to boot. Sanchez is about to become the next David Carr. His confidence is gone. As soon as he makes a mistake he is done for the day. I am so sick of watching him double and triple clutch the ball… resulting in a monster sack and a loose ball. Sanchez simply can’t lead or play the position at this level. He actually scrambles INTO pressure! Remember when Namath was in camp (on “Hard Knocks”) explaining to Sanchez how to take the snap and the importance of ball security in the pocket and not fumbling…and MS and Rex laughed at him and blew him off? Not so funny now…

  44. By AZ JET Fan on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    I’m hearing all the national media starting to talk about benching Sanchize for Tebow? Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn’t MOST Jets fans want to see McElroy before Tebow at QB, I know I would.

  45. By judalation on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Well of This is the Best team the Jets have had under Rex than we should really be happy that we have never had a loosing season. Im sorry Rex but you need to stop pumping this teams ego up when they are a middle of the pack team at best. Even Miami is better than us at this point! I feel that the way the Dolphins nearly beat us should have been a wakeup call that this team is not playing very good on Defense. We need some new LBs and hopefully a fast QB like the 49ers backup QB in the draft. Tim and Sanchez are NOT starters in the NFL anymore… Maybe 6 years ago, but now with Luck, Cam, RG3, Ponder, Dalton, Tanni and a whole crop of New QBs that have outperformed our Sanchize and show more upside than he ever has in 4 yrs. Its time…

  46. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    More I think about this loss one thing keeps eating at me, How is it possible we were shut out at home in this day and age of football, next question for this genius brain thrust of the NYJ when was the last shut out in any game let alone at home other then us recently, please someone help me out here, Why instead of being so somber in pressers isn’t Rex spitting fire telling his players no one’s job is save unless they start playing with some emotion, intensity, focus,earn their money, Woody Johnson should come out of his office, trance, Where ever he’s hiding man up take responsibility let lose on Mike -T and Rex . Fans should boycott games let him feel what it’s like to get blacked out at all home games

  47. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Cont, how is it with all NE’s draft picks roster moves,player in player out they have room for and get production from the likes of D- Woodhead, Edelman, Welker, not to mention picking up Demps and to boot go get Winslow him just hanging in there in case he’s needed . find talent like this kid Ridley he stepped right in running like a pro. How about losing to Buffalo 21-7 into the third quarter and come back 52-28 . Texans, Lions, San Fran, Bengals, Cardinals, Seattle Packers, Eagles, Steelers I can go on and on .all look like contenders and we’re founding around no direction, no plan Heads need to roll and right now

  48. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Myers actually goes where no man in the media has gone before, i.e. to the question of just how long we have to suffer with Rex: “This is about self-preservation. Ryan does not have a lifetime appointment — his contract runs through 2014. Tebow may provide Ryan with a way of buying himself time with Woody Johnson, who needs to keep the interest high even if the win total is low. Johnson is now advertising season tickets for the low, low price of $50 per game.” Needless to say, this is also exactly what so many of us feared about getting Tebow: That if Sanchez didn’t play well in the 1st half of the yr, he wouldn’t get to start in the 2nd. That’s okay with me as long as we dump both him and Tebow if neither measure up.

  49. By punchie on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    first drive 3rd and 4 holmes runs a six yd hook play stands ther waveing for 2-3 seconds. sanchize looks straight past still doesn`t throw it , takes the sack and that was the story of the game. That and some of the most uncreative routs and rout running you will ever see meanwhile just how many points did the rams score this week. And i`m sick of seeing shonn green running into the back of our O lineman, I feel like i`m watching Thomas jones pick the smallest alley to drive the biggest truck down…

  50. By IRA on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry i believe in second chances for the most part but please why do you bring in a player who got busted twice in one month. I can’t believe they couldn’t find a better option. Wish him well to stay on the right path.
    What can you say things don’t look good all we can do is hope for the best.
    Also its time to stop messing aound with McKnight either give him a shot to play RB or cut bait and bring in another RB who can contribute. Its not like we are loaded at the RB position.

  51. By punchie on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Wasn`t CURTIS MARTIN trying to buy the JETS and if so i think we the fans need to get behind that move

  52. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    ED BAUMAN, Can you help me? I was just wondering what exactly about Plaxico you think could help the Jets? The fact that he is such a good team mate? So helpful to the coaches and his fellow players? His excellent break-away speed which produces so much seperation form the d.b’s that Q.B’s cant possiably miss him clearly in the open? If you believe any of that crap I have some ocean-front property in Lincoln Nebraska I would love to sell you too? Come on dude, enough with the retreads. its time to bring this organization into the present and future! We need an infusion of yout,speed and talent!Its time to rebuild this mess Tannenbaum created and lets start with him!

  53. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    64, Dude, come on man, I’ve been with you all the way with the “Dump Tanney”program!I’m not changing anything other than my support for Sanchez. I do believe there was an opportunity for him to succeed if they surrounded him with a better supporting cast.But that ship has sailed! I remember David Carr beating the Cowboys in Houstons first N.F.L game on national t.v. He played great his first couple of seasons but the beatings he suffered took their toal and he became gun-shy much like M.S we are seeing today. i doubt very much Sanchez can recover from all the negativity surrounding this team. You and Joe were right, he is not the type of Q.B that can make those around him better. he is not ,nor will he ever be an elite Q.B!

  54. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    We will never win with this owner. That’s not my opinion, it’s a fact.

  55. By GaryC on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Wilkerson played inside at Temple,jets play him outside,Coples was best outside at NC,jets play him a lot inside,where is the Beast,Kenrick Ellis been.The only hope is to put your fastest players outside,look at what the niners speed did to the jets,It is a joke that the jets thought so little of Thomas they cut him,only to bring him back starting again,what team does that.The jets have no leaders on this team,you saw that when after the plays,niners were pushing jets all over the place and their was no one backing each other up.THESE JETS WOULD NOT MAKE RUSS TAMBLYN’S JETS.

  56. By Joe from PA on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Was at the debacle on Sunday. You are ALL correct–team’s a total mess. It starts at the top—Woody, Mr. T, and Rex. The team has gotten consistently worse and you gave Sanchez no help at all. I’m surprised he hasn’t beeen carried off on a stretcher, but now his qb play reflects his lack of confidence. Holmes drops as many as he catches or if he does catch it he fumbles. No other wide receivers, no RB, O-Line is still awful. Yup, drive a bulldozer thru this mess and start over. Forget Tebow, he’s awful—I’d be giving McElroy a shot before Tebow.

  57. By scjoe on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Been a Jet/Titan fan since Sept 1960, since game #1 vs Buffalo, I have seen this franchise through the peaks and valleys (mostly valleys) The lean years of the early to mid 60s, the all time peak, the SB in the late 60s, the post Joe Willie demise of the 70s, the exciting high scoring teams of the 80s, the Kottite years (they speak for themselves) the Parcells years, the two great runs under Rex! Through all of that, I would have to say that this franchise that I admired for all of those years has hit an all time low. They are lacking in ownership, FO management, in personnel, and on the playing field. Sad! Very sad! There is no easy fix.

  58. By JetBlue on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    My how the tables have turned. Seems not too long ago (like a week) that there were so many Posters willing to give 2nd chances, chastising the realist and labeling them nay-sayers, and wanted to continue their love-fest with Rex and MS. But after just one loss, one that we all saw coming, the band wagon is filling up. Hey, aren’t we still in 1st place with the best record in our Division? So what did y’all see now that you didn’t see by the end of last season? What was it that brought you to the brink of dissasterous termoil? Did you finally watch a game from more than the half-full perspective? Or was this game the big magnifier of all the things some Posters (64Tom/scjoe) have been laying out there while you were in denial? Hmmm.

  59. By scjoe on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Getting back to reality, I don’t have a problem with the Berry signing. If he can contribute at all, it is a good signing. I think the entire defensive backfield is lacking. Yes, Landry has had his moments (good and bad) but they have really been exposed without Revis. As bad as it got vs SF, the upcoming games with Houston and NE, with their elite WRs, TEs and offenses in general, could turn out to be the breaking point for this franchise, this year anyway. It is even difficult to get to excited about a top 5 pick looking back at the history under this current regime.

  60. By kleckofan on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    As I said on another thread, forget picking up old FA out there like Plax and TO..if we were gonna do that we should’ve tagged the guard Waters that the Pats cut for $$. It’s rebuild time which means play the young guys and assess needs. I’m not sold on McK as our RB, give him the rock and see, same w Bilal. Finally the media is crying that Tanny has left this team devoid of talent, the smoke and mirrors have crashed (kind of like the curtain on the Wizard of Oz). Kudos to allof us “negative” guys who saw the light a year ago. Rex’s comments about Tebow reinforce the theory that he has no power of personnel decisions. Even so, if I’m the HC stuck w this team I make in game decisions that say to the GM and owner “you don’t like it?, fire me”

  61. By kleckofan on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    cont Rex isn’t doing that, for that he deserves blame. How can a man raised in the sport possibly put up w the likes of tanny and Woody? I’d be OK w Parcells as GM, lord knows his ego loves to take a loser and turn it around (not so sure he could do it in the new NFL though). SCNY- I believe you refer to me about hiring Gruden. I don’t know if he’d do it but he’s said he’d coach in the right situation. To me that means having personnel power, give it to him. Of course, if he means by “right situation” a team on the and w a SBedge of playing for a SB, we’re out!Gruden is QB intelligent, media savvy, tough and w a SB he has credibility.
    Hire Gruden!

  62. By russ on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Goodbye Mike Tannenbaum..so long Rex…welcome to New York Bill Cowher…..and Send the OL and DL coaches packing….

  63. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Houston is coming to town this week. Houston is one of the most complete offensive and defensive teams in the NFL. Do you really think Sanchez is going to beat them. He has the lowest passing percentage in football. Start McElroy can he be any worse then Sanchez. He could very well be a big improvement. As for Tebow, all you Tebow fans, do you really think he is that good? Plexico Burris could be a great fill in for Holmes while he is out, and when Holmes returns it could open a passing game that could lead into a rushing game with McNight as FB…

  64. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    The Great Blinka has said Sanchez and Woody must go, thus they must go. RON A, that’s nice that you’re with the Dump Tanny program. My program is the dump Sanchez/Tebow/Rex/Tanny/Woody/MetLife Stadium program, call me when you get with that.

  65. By Arte Olde School Section 327 on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Alrighty then!! Time to get real. I was at the debacle and thought it was a game for most of the day. So close we were to an upset and yet SO FAR AWAY FROM ANYTHING!! The predictions start again right now. Any other hope would yield utter and bitter dissappointment as usual.
    How about back to back blowouts coming up???? Maybe this Monday night massacre will be similar to the GB-Clueless in Seattle wake up call for the NFL to bring back the referees! Prediction starts early: JETS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES!! Houston goes 5-0! Sanchise benched. Tebow lays an egg.. Try 45-0!! And then we lose again to a coachless Colts. By NE we’ll be 2-5! Send out the dogs, the ER and the ambulances.. JETS CRASHING LIKE NEVER BEFORE!!!

  66. By GaryC on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    this might sound far fetched but I will throw it out there,with Holmes no longer around,and depending if Hill and Keller are back will the offense improve.Sanchez maybe won’t need to force feed Holmes the ball anymore and seeing the jets don’t have their go to receiver,maybe defenses won’t be sure where the jets are going when they do pass,Keller,Hill,Kerley,Cumberland and McKnight can be options,if used correctly,not sure Sparano knows how to use them yet.I guess with the extra time before the texan game,we will figure out if there will be anything different or the same old drech.

  67. By Jake on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    AZ Jet Fan, That’s exactly what I have been saying. That’s what Jet fans want. The Media who keeps touting he line “Jet fans want Tebow” are making up stats to prove their ineptitude

  68. By Kyle on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Did anyone watch the game? I feel like people give in to the damn media hype so much. My god, If you seriously think Tebow would have done better in that game than I really have no respect for Jets fans, I thought we were better than the media show that this had become. Sad, sad bunch of fans. Yeah no you’re right, Tebow will take us to the Superbowl, yeah, I can totally picture that.

  69. By Alex G on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    I got to say watching the game I did not think his fall was anything serious , I thought the only thing bruised was his EGO! and looking on the NFL page they show the video clip of the play NOTHING shows me how this guy could warrant a career ending injury of the foot, besides he was grabbing his knee in the game?? The moment they paid this guy he went South while every one went North. Like I said yesterday get on the phone with T.O and Chad Johnson already…

  70. By DKM on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Im in with Gruden, and i like Rex i just think he has been given a bad hand with WJ and MT as his Bosses in is first HC Job, and trust me before the Big Boss cuts his ties with his right hand man both will look for another Scapegoat to blame and thats going to be the guy who couldnt control or discipline the mess the Bosses created. So we will have to probably live with Tbaum for another while, hopefully we will get a coach wich will demand a little more power over personel desicions than Rex was given and is not afraid to make changes to the Team when its called for and stops the whole Buddysystem wich seems to surrond the Jets.
    And in gods ears JFS64, A NEW OWNER WHO CARES ABOUT FOOTBALL and how HIS TEAM preforms.

  71. By DKM on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Once again MS clearly didnt have it and this Time that incl. the D too. Im not dissapointed in loosing cause this wasnt a win on the beginning of the Season for me anyway neither will be Houston on Monday night but what i didnt accept was that the 49ers took it easy on us and scored only 34 points. I thought we would leave the Stadium in the minus points.
    Shame on the Jets Fans who sold there Tickets and made it almost into a 49ers home game i know it wasnt a pretty sight but if i have to sit in my Seat with 8:25 left in the 4th Q in a red sea of shirts you shouldnt own any Seasontickets, if you decide not come cause your Team stinks, makes a much more powerfull statement than you selling your tickets to the fans of the opposing Team.

  72. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    No question Woody has to sell this team, DKM, he’s made a terrible mess of it, one of the worst I’ve seen in almost 50 years. But I’m still trying to figure out how that Bizarro World Arte got on the site today…

  73. By DKM on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    MEMO to Rex or whoever decides who is playing, Shonn Greene is not the answer, and who is coaching the O-line get the programm going what is going on there, JELLO has better a consistency than you guys, where is you pride?
    I know we have been absolutly horrible against the run but i have to say Rex will find a way to fix the mess he always does when everything is set and done they might not be number 1 or 2 but they will in the top 10 on D.
    As bad as this has been for the last 3 games we in it and thats whats count we are 2-2 not 0-4 like Brees by the way nobody is screaming for Doomsday over there yet, can we get at least to 2-6 before we burn the house down. If we go 4-0 (just saying) next nobody will remember what a start we had.

  74. By joeyjets12fla on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    not only send the o-lone and d-line coaches packing, how about the strength and conditioning coaches also. this team is a mess, and it started last year in the mini- camps and has only gotten worse. and you can add in the o-c, the d-c, and the hc along with the gm.

  75. By Howie D on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    SCJOE: I agree you on Rex, I think he should stay, for now. I disagree with you on the OC. The reason our O stinks is because Shotty was replaced by someone hardly any better. We were a contending the last 3 years and to get to the next level or the SB we needed a winning OC. Sparano had no experience as OC. He was a laughing stock in Miami. It’s OK to have rookie coaches when you’re rebuilding or starting from scratch. 3 years ago we weren’t rebuilding, we were on the cusp, all we needed was to replace Shotty and fine tune a couple positions. Our primary problem is GM/OC. A competent OC will give us better results, even with MS’ shortcomings. Yes, we need more talent, but we can be better with what we have. It starts at the top

  76. By kleckofan on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Kyle- here’s 200 bucks go buy a vowel. read the posts on here, how many are calling for Tebow to be the savior? Not many, and some of those are taking the “it can’t be worse” approach.
    If all that happens is that Rex is fired then this yr is more than a losing season, it’s a condemnation of a decade of football. This is not a situation, like Harbaugh got in SF, where there was talent that needed to be guided, a new scheme etc. Whoever gets this mess must get 4/5 drafts to restock an empty cupboard. Drafts where we get at least one pick in each round, no front page trades or moving up fiascos. JFT64- like the program, not happening, too much $$$, would rather we played at a dump then in someone else’s park. As a descendant of Brooklyn Dodger

  77. By kleckofan on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    cont. fans (thus now a Met fan) it’s good to see a team, any team, in Brooklyn. So the New Jersey Nets are in Brooklyn, but the New York Jets are in Jersey, makes a ton of sense.
    Hire Gruden, fire Tannebaum

  78. By Howie D on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    A few years ago when the Manhattan stadium deal fell through and we remained 2nd class citizens in Jersey, I said the NFL should grant a new franchise in NYC and we start over. Mr Johnson either refuses to listen to the fans or he simply doesn’t know any better. Whatever the reason, I say he keeps his team in Jersey (With a different name) and we start anew in NYC. Come on Roger, tell your buddies it’s time for an expansion. To even things out, you can include LA in the deal. 34 teams. Why not? The economy is stronger than you think.

  79. By Stevesc on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with all of you who have said the Jets need to rebuild with new young talent. Enough of the FA’s who are on the downside of their careers. I rather see them lose with young talent that will eventually develop into solid players. The problem is, the Jets seem to have the worst scouting in football., so even that is no guarantee. I see other teams develop low draft picks into stars, or at least solid football players. Has to lead you to believe coaching is questionable as well. And as long as we live in a win now culture, I’m afraid the Jets will not change their ways unless they clean house from top to bottom. I’ve tried to remain positive, but like a lot of you, it has been difficult to do.

  80. By SCfromNY on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Please stop the calls for Plax, T.O., Johnson AND Cowher. They are all past it. Bring in a lot of players from practice squads and unsigned FA. Their low cost will help with the dumping of overpaid players. Get players with heart that play with emotion. Why is everyone surprised by an offense that with starters scred ZERO TDs in preseason. Yes we were close at the half. So was Buffalo and NE. NE, Falcons, and others showed how teams are suppossed to respond IF they are winners. Losers make excuses and refuse to change. McElroy needs a chance just to see if he can throw a ball proerly. Did anyone see Mangini’s grin when talking about the Jets on NFL live? For too long Jet players have not been afraid of losing their jobs. IT’s TIME!

  81. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    It is a shame the Mr. Johnson is out there campaigning instead of fixing what needs to be fixed with the Jets. I agree, bring Cower or Gruden in, just maybe we will get to 500 this year. However, we will not do it with Sanchez or Tebow. Mclroy would probably do much better then either Sancez or Tebow. I like your thinking Tom…

  82. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    If I had to make a prediction I see the Jets having the number one pick this year at the rate they are playing.

  83. By SCfromNY on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Jets probably lose Holmes for season. Dophins sign Gaffney. Think about it.

  84. By robertpapalia on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Tim Tebow is not the answer at qb. Neither is Sanchez. The Jets are going to have to draft a qb in the 1st round next year. Hopefully Rex and Tanny will not being the ones doing it. If Woody does not sell the team he has to at least bring expierenced football people in. Not on the job people as he has done in the past. What a mess!!!!!

  85. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    From a great Cimini piece on the Woody/Tebow nonsense: “Even Ryan acknowledged “we haven’t been as successful at running the Wildcat as I thought we would.” Two weeks ago, offensive coordinator Tony Sparano — supposedly The Godfather of the Wildcat — admitted he’s navigating uncharted waters because of Tebow’s unique skill set. Namath is looking smarter every week [for calling Tebow a publicity stunt]. Now there’s talk that Tebow might not be happy, with ESPN’s Ed Werder suggesting Tuesday that Tebow is frustrated and bewildered by his lack of involvement. Werder, expressing informed opinion, said Tebow believes the Jets haven’t lived up to their promises.” What a totally unnecessary mess!

  86. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    And by the way, these idiotic roster moves — cut Turner, get him back, cut White, get him back, add Fletcher, dump him for a FB when we already have one bad FB who’s hurt and lost the RB we drafted who could’ve served in that position — make no more sense than they did when we started with brilliant moves like wasting a #4 on O’Connell and then never remotely making use of him. Roster management, like time management and offensive game plan management, remains one of Rex’s more glaring, obvious shortcomings. 3-13 will be just fine with me if it means Rex, Sanchez, Tebow, Mr T are all out the door though like I say, it’s Woody and New Jersey that need to go for the Jet franchise to really be reborn.

  87. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    JETBLUE, Not sure who your referring to concerning people changing their tune after this game?But really it doesn’t matter? Its better to see the light a little late than never! 64, oh no my friend, i didn’t mean just Tanney. i meant the whole freak’n bunch! Look dude, as we just sighned Sanchez to a new contract we really didn’t have much choice as far as simply dumping him.And truthfully, I felt he deserved a chance to show what he could do with a decent supporting cast. Obviously that never happaned but after this weeks “Debacle” its has to be plain to even his biggest supporters like Danny that he is not the answer.S.CJoe,another great post above my friend!

  88. By kleckofan on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    I’m not certain, but I think I got “edited” when I questioned a player’s injury being legit’ during the pre-season…looks like Alex G is questioning the veracity of Tone’s injury. I know it’s difficult to do so, but the rib injury didn’t look like a hit to the ribs at all (x-rays were negative) and now X-rays are negative again, it just hurts. You needed to be a Navajo code breaker to listen to Rex talk about this injury during his presser.
    Why does everyone (maybe not everyone) keep calling for Curtis to buy the team? Has he ever given any indication in that regard? Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for it, I just wonder if I missed something. Based on his HOF speech I would think he would want to leave ball behind, who knows?
    Gruden for HC/GM

  89. By Randy on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    I think they should stop playing wishy washy with Jordan White and let him come off the practice squad and get some reps in the game. Obviously this kid can play wide receiver he did not catch that many balls for that many yards in college if he did not know how to play the position. Plus, what do they have to lose anyway its not like what they are putting on the field is impressive Rex needs to try everything right now and this kid seems like he has everything.

  90. By GaryC on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Hilliard has to be an upgrade,hopefully,another one of sparano’s guys at Miami,but played for Montana who were always in the running for the 1a championship,He can catch it better then Greene and can block better then Powell or McKnight.

  91. By scjoe on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    I am not a big fan of Plaxico Burriss or Chad Ocho Wacko, not by any stretch, but the reality of the near hopeless situation is, either of the two would automatically become the Jets #1 WR. How scary is that? Now, that said, can somebody explain to me, like I am a six year old, knowing the state of the WR dilemma on this team, why do they cut a WR…. THEN, go out and sign another FB??? This one got me totally baffled. It is almost as though they are going out of their way to complete the dismemberment of this team.

  92. By scjoe on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Kyle, in response to your comment about having no respect for these sad, sad Jet fans, let me say this, first, I am not a fan of Tim Tebow the QB! I am however a fan of Tim Tebow the athlete and the man. That said, my question to you is “how much worse could he have been then Mark Sanchez?” Don’t you think he is just as capable of going 13 of 29 for 100 yds,? Another horrible INT? Another fumble? Five 3 and outs in the 2nd half ? Absolutely no pocket presence or leadership ability? You think those stats may be the reason some of these “sad, sad” Jet fans were calling for him?

  93. By MIKE on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Not sure anybody really believes Tebow is the long term solution at QB but I do think MS will never be a successful player in the NFL. If the Jets get destroyed by Houston next week, which they will, than lets see some Tebow.
    Denver won last year because they had a great defence, Tebow didn’t turn the ball over and they ran the ball.

    It can’t be any worse with Tebow in there.

  94. By joe on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Guys PLEASE GO ONLINE and google ARTIE LANGES comments-CRITIQUE OF the NY JETS ORGANIZATION (these comments first appeared on the Nfl Networks Top 10 Snakebit Franchises OF All Time Show )The show-comments are years old but nevertheless in SAME OLD JET FASHION DEAD ON CORRECT AND OF COURSE TIMELESS

  95. By 40 year fan , John on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    There is a curse on the Jets …Bring in an exorcist ,and burn some sage , say some blessings …I am not even kidding

  96. By Viveca on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    You’re more into politics than the fate of your team? Fine- that’s your choice, but please sell your franchise to someone who’s passionate, who understands the fans and what it means to us to have an an organisation to be proud of.
    Yes, there are many more important issues in this world, which we’re reminded of every day. Football Sundays though belong to us. We’ll like to cheer for our Jets, see improvment, success, and forget about all that other stuff. Do you get it? No…didn’t think so…

  97. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Funny what I’m hearing even from the optimists Glass half full usual suspects, , hate me, ridicule me, I care not, I’ve been at odds back and forth with the Likes of Spicer and his cohorts for 2 seasons now on these very subjects, it’s become painfully obvious what I’ve known since early 2010, , I was the only one and probably still am, saying Schotty certainly wasn’t the best OC in the league but what he had to work with I believe him a genius .. I can’t recall ever being shutout on his watch… Wilson can’t cover, Vlad can’t block I was on to VG long before everyone else,yet 3 seasons on the bench not one sack gone Sanchez wasn’t ready or talented enough to go at all let alone # 5. hate being right

  98. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    I must say, the bitterness subsides when you begin to understand things.
    The direct reason for this team playing poorly is Sanchez.
    And the reason for him being a jet is woody and tannenbaum.
    But the bitterness is retuning because I’m thinking of the beat down we are going to get on national tv on Monday. Oh the shame.

    Bitter Blinka

  99. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Ok, here it is on Rex, yes I believe he is loyal to his players . good as a friend, good father, Good employer, all to a fault, here lays the problem. All this makes for bad business when it comes to dealing with these over paid men children, Rex was excellent with Ravens being just one of the Guys focusing on Defense alone, leaving personnel decisions to the football guru’s.. Its obvious spotting talent just isn’t a strong suit of his. I believe we should hire a proven HC keep him at DC.. I really wanted Dom Capers as DC before we hired Rex as HC he is a no nonsense type. one season after packers hired him they won a Super Bowl

  100. By Karan on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Wow, so Holmes is done for the season and you cut WR Turner for a FB when we need receivers on the roster. This front office is just amazing isnt it?

  101. By Karan on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    The football gods must hate us. Lost two of our best players on offense and defense. Going to be an even tougher season. Sign Mr. Burress now.

  102. By MIKE on Oct 2, 2012 | Reply

    Maybe Rex and Mr.T should get in touch with Bill Parcells and get some advice on how to make a winning organization out of blue collar players. Mr.T and Rex would quickly learn that they have made alot of wrong moves. Couples, Gholston, Ducasse, Sanchez, Favre, Wilson, Holmes, plus many more. Last good draft was 2007. That was an awfully long time ago. I really hope there are some changes at season end. The Mangenius looks pretty good right now. Lets remember now that Brett Favre lost Mangini his job. And that Chad Pennington had a career year with Parcells in Miami.

  103. By Christopher on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    PLEASE start Tebow so the whole world can finally see that Tebow is not a miracle worker. The result will be more losses and a higher draft pick (although that is going to happen no matter what, unless somehow McElroy gets a shot and shows he can play, which I doubt), but then again what good are draft picks, we don’t know how to use them anyway.

    We have an owner who knows nothing about football and cares more about the election than his football team. A GM who knows nothing about football, only numbers and a HC who is only a DC. Anyone else notice Rob Ryan’s D get lit up too?

    Woody, please sell the team, give us fans some hope for the future.

  104. By Christopher on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    It’s not just the QB, take any of the elite QB’s throw them on this team and we still lose. The D is old and horrible. Who would have though that our best player would be Nick Folk? The coaching stinks, the game plans stink, the players stink, the tackling stinks. This organization is a joke and no player is going to want to play for the Jets.

    It will be like Peyton Manning all over again, oh the Jets have the #1 pick, I’ll just go back to school.

  105. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    kleckofan, Martin is on record for years saying he’d like to be the first black owner of an NFL team. I can think of no better team for him to buy and remake, whether he calls himself black or Afro-American (remember that one?) or an ex-Patriot, than the Jets, where he excelled on every level. He would be a fine public face of the franchise as the head of an investor group and like I think Viveca said, I bet he’d develop into a Newsome-like FO guy, because he’s gotta know a bit about success on the football field. We’re certainly not going anywhere with Woody, Mr T, and Rex who increasingly don’t even seem to be on the same page about a lot of things (Does Rex like Tebow and Hill, does Woody like Sanchez, does Mr T still like Hunter?, etc.)

  106. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Just for the record, folks, here’s where Sanchez ranks in the league passing ratings — 2 from dead last, ahead of 2 rookies on terrible teams. Then again, Sanchez is playing like a rookie on a terrible team:

    30 Mark Sanchez NYJ QB 63 128 49.2 32.0 813 6.4 203.2 5 4 40 31.3 66 9 2 6 69.6
    31 Ryan Tannehill MIA QB 80 143 55.9 35.8 1,046 7.3 261.5 2 6 42 29.4 80T 14 3 8 66.4
    32 Brandon Weeden CLE QB 90 167 53.9 41.8 997 6.0 249.2 3 7 51 30.5 43 15 1 9 60.4


  107. By JetBlue on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    RON A: I was referring to the sudden influx of posters who are now calling for the heads of the Holy Trinity (Tanny/Rex/Sanchez). I was just wondering why it took so long for them to come around. Was it really the SF game that did it? Some of us saw these organizational flaws as early as 2009, but were willing to give it time to see what adjustments & improvements were made. But instead of real football moves based upon stategic football planning, we got Rex predicting a SB win, thus declaring himself officially out of touch. Even during last year’s year’s debacle, there were still many defending the throne and calling us realistic posters disloyal and negative. Some pull weeds, others try to prevent them. There’s a big difference.

  108. By IRA on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Wow the Jets do deserve to be questioned about what they put on the field this year as a team but man this site has turned to garbage. Fire this guy fire that guy, this guy stinks that guy stinks. This site has become unreadable. I don’t have good thngs to say about this team either but please lets just see what happens. The picture doesn’t look good so why watch if all you are going to do is complain and complain.
    They should’ve signed Gaffney a month ago because Hill was not ready to start this year. Well now they will live with the growing pains good or bad.
    To me if Sanchez has a bad 1st half this week i would rather see McElroy play than Tebow. But you all know whats coming very soon. Mr Tebow!
    GO JETS!!!!

  109. By SCfromNY on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe: I understand when you say to try Tebow he could not be as bad as Sanchez BUT we need someone to elevate the game and win. I am not a Tebow fan partially because of all the hype but skill wise he is Sanchez with different pros and cons. Neither one will make us a winning team. Big agreement with the “headscatching” release of Turner and signing of a FB. Tebow could play FB. When will Rex understand that for good teams “ground and pound” is second to a passing offense. If greene walks out with the starting O Rex needs to be fired. All the talk of a #1 DE and Sanchez’s improvement are a joke. Quality or even decent teams respond with effort and emotion after a loss like Sunday. We will see if the Jets have anything in them.

  110. By GaryC on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Another thought on Mangold,this guy was getting beat by the niners second stringer,Issac Sopoaga was out with an injury.And there still weren’t any holes to run through.

  111. By GaryC on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Mangini was railroaded out of here,now it is time to get him away from Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless and reverse the train and put Tanny on it and bring back the Mangenious.

  112. By GaryC on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Haven’t heard about some of our defensive starters losing their starting roles,why not.

  113. By SCfromNY on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    The Dolphins release poor WR Naanee. Here’s a probable pick up for the Jets (sarcastic). We let a WR go and pick up a fullback?? Considering how our LBs played, even the usually solid Harris, we should have picked up Carpenter before the Pats did. With all our WR issues why ignore Gaffney? He is not as old or problem as Plax or T.O. I think the team has quit on Rex and unfortunately that means it’s time for him to go. What is does not mean is promoting Sporano. He should leave with Rex.Can we PLEASE get someone who understands talent and how to use it?

  114. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Lets go to a H.S. and get a q/b, they would probably do better then Sanchez and Tebow. The way the upper office and coahes go after other team rejects makes us frustrated…

  115. By THUNDER LIPS on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Viveca and Mike Jet Vet – WELL SAID. Good points here by a lot here on this post. if we keep sliding down the slope here i think that our only option is to start playing our younger guys to see what talent we have. we do not have the money to go out and buy a team next year. teh win now stuff must stop/. it unrealistc especially now. some of these old timers gotta go. they are over paid and past their prime. theres no shame in rebuilding. look at the Texans. they revamped go rid of old dead weight. it took a year or 2 but they are set. we need to do the same. enough of the false unrealistic hope. i know its ny but time for our jets to fly under the radar again for a while. .

  116. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    IRA, For what ever part I may have played in your disappointment with what is being said here I am truley sorry! I have always tried to be objective and stay positive, but events this year have made that nearly impossible. I have great respect for you as a Jet fan and a man so this is difficult but I cant agree if you are saying people should not voice their displeasure. I know if I performed my job the way Mr.Tannenbaum has I would have been fired long ago. I can understand getting bad info from scouts and thus drafting the wrong guys on occassion. It happens! But to make so many bad picks and so few good ones time after time is compelling evidence of incompetence. We need to move on from Mr.T period!

  117. By GaryC on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    All joking aside,if Naanee was released by Dolphins this could be a good pickup,he played very well for the chargers a couple years back and he is still young,then they could cut Gates.

  118. By GaryC on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Look if the jets are serious next year about drafting a quarterback next year,forget Barkley and look at Keith Price of Washington.He is that big,Tall qb teams are looking for,you saw what he did in the Alamo Bowl last year against RG 3 Baylor team even though they lost.See if you can check him out this week,I know washington is playing a good team.

  119. By TIM on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply


    1. FootBall STARTS = at THE (OL) Line and (D) Line!!!

    2. If YOU know **(ANYTHING)** about football, the (ABOVE) is TRUE!

    3. The JETS (OL) and (DL) are NOT getting ANY (PUSH) on the other teams line!
    It is that SIMPLE!

    4. The JETS are (LOSING) the battle at the (LINE of SCRIMMAGE)!

    5. End of STORY!

  120. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    JETBLUE, thanks for the clarity. Although I am a more recent member here on RANDY’S blog I’d like to think I bring some small amount of wisdom to the table. As bad as Sanchez has been I offer this: “Be careful for what you wish for”! To the Tebow trumpeter’s out their calling for him,remember, In a perfect world where an Off.Cord would provide a perfect enviornment for Tebow to flourish like Denver did last year , how far could he take them? If we play Tebow, and he wins a few games for us it could set us back even farther for the future. With T.T as our Q.B we will always have a limited ceiling. The elite teams will do what N.England did last year in the playoffs and we will simply labor in mediocrity. I want a Superbowl
    championship team

  121. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    cont.- not a possible one and done playoff game scenerio. We need to establish a young Q.B and build a team around him for the future. Is MacElroy that guy? I dont know but we will never find out if we install T.T. I would like to give Mac a shot and if he shows promose go into next season as the starter. If he shows he is more suitable to the back up roll we need to move forward and find a Q.B for the future either in the draft, free agency or trade.

  122. By scjoe on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    SCfromNY, I understand, to say replace Sanchez with Tim Tebow is really saying replace a rotten apple with a rotten orange. BUT, what are the other options? There is no way, and I mean NO WAY they give McElroy a start, not unless both MS and TT go down to injury. That is just the politics of the game. Unfortunate, but true. What will Sanchez earn in 2012? Tebow? McElroy? It is what it is.

  123. By scjoe on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, with all due respect, the only difference between you and most of the other Jet fans who frequent this site is the fact that you “think” it, they come out and say it! We all know it! Most here have complained about certain aspects of the franchise for the past few years now. Those complaints, as you can easily see now, have been warranted. Does it really matter anymore who “thinks” it and knows it, and who actually comes out and SAYS it? The simple fact is, those who made this franchise what it is today should be held accountable. There really is no politically correct way to say it.

  124. By Karan on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Great job signing Jason Hill, Tannenbaum is a true visionary! :/

  125. By scjoe on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Howie D, here’s my feelings on it. It was NOT Shotty, it IS not Sparano. It IS Sanchez, Tebow, Greene, Hill, Slauson, Duccusse, and the rest of the under achieving offense where the only real pro is at center. Maybe?? LT as well. It really wouldn’t matter who the OC is with this supporting cast.

  126. By scjoe on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Blowout losses to Houston and NE would pretty much put a stamp on this season. It will not be over “on paper” but it will be over! So, here is next years plan..GM Bill Polian, HC Rex (give him one more year with a “real” GM) Get what you can for Tebow and Sanchez (if anything) Sign Hoyer or Mat Moore to compete with McElroy while drafting a QB high mid rounds. Select best available RB #1 (Lattimore SC?) OR trade down that top 5 pick to select LB, OL, S, CB, or Gronk like TE! And last but not least, play the best players, not who happened to be drafted the highest!

  127. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, why do you call people’s justifiable outrage over an inept franchise “unreadable”? Sounds like you don’t want to read anything more than “Let’s see what happens” and GO JETS! We’re seeing what’s happening, the collapse of a very flawed org that needs major changes. I’m sure glad head-in-the-sand folks like you are in the minority. GaryC, back on Woodhead to Clowney to Turner to zip, so just as Turner’s chance to play comes, with Holmes out for the yr and S Hill hurt, we let him go and pick up J Hill. The latter’s much more experienced than the former but can you explain to me what sense this cut/keep/cut nonsense makes? We did the same thing with Wright, “groom him” endlessly without ever giving him a chance to show what he can do.

  128. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe and christopher, on the QB issue I land about halfway between your posts. If a Tebow trial at QB is for determining whether to commit to starting and grooming him the next few yrs, I’m all for it because no matter what else happens at the ownership/GM/HC level, this team MUST get serious at QB. I think finally enough fans, except for maybe Ira, are realizing that the Rex/Sanchez combo is looking like a bust. And since Rex knows nothing about O, I wouldn’t keep him around for the next QB. I’d just do the usual thing of letting the new HC — Cowher or Gruden would be fine with me — pick his QB, either from the draft or some smart trade. I’d trade Revis and Holmes in a minute for a QB but their injuries clearly complicate any trade.

  129. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    I am dis-appointed in the predictions, double talk and signing of other team rejects
    to try and build a team,and trying to give hope to Jet Fans… Gary, you may get your wish with the number one draft pick next year the Jets may look at Keith Price of Washington for QB providing we have coaches and management. But I figure they will continue to go after old guys instead of doing what the better teams have done and build on youth. I agree with Karen, of all the WR out there get Burris back, he knows the system. Bench Sanchez and start McLroy for Monday nights game we might get a field goal…

  130. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I like your plan for the makeover which looks like it’s finally coming, but I don’t think we need Hoyer or Moore. At QB, I like Gary’s thinking on Keith Price, who definitely looks like the kind of QB we always say we need (or at least, Ranger 46 always said we need) but never seem to get. Of course, GaryC’s credibility on the draft is taking a hit by way of Ducasse, but still…

  131. By scjoe on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    64, Keith Price is a 6’1″ Jr who is about the same size as our very own Mark Sanchez. Not that a QBs height tells the whole story, but to play in the North East, you need to seriously think about that 6’4″ strong armed QB who actually played his college ball in an area of the country that has inclement weather. I think recent history has taught us that. A Moore/Hoyer competition with McElroy along with that strong armed 6’4″ QB from a cold weather area would work out fine. Maybe a guy like Logan Thomas (VT) at 6’5″ 250 with a strong arm, may fall to rd 2 or 3. Then again, maybe not! Again, it comes down to scouting and drafting.

  132. By GaryC on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Jetfantom,I never said Ducasse would be a star,I said the jets would select him,getting back to Woodhead,see the folly that has followed since,same goes for Brad Smith,no Tebow circus if Smith was still here too.

  133. By GaryC on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe,you read my mind on Price,I am not to sure on that height,I saw where his height was listed at 6’1 and think he looks bigger,that being said he is the same as RG 3 and he will be playing in a cold weather place in Washington also.

  134. By GaryC on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Jet fan tom, how is Shea mcClellin and Alshon Jeffrey doing in Chicago and Kyle Rudolph doing with the vikings.

  135. By mike s. on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Who the heck is Jason Hill???????????????With Plax,TO,and Chad Johnson out there we sign Jason Hill, what a JOKE!!!!!!!!!

  136. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I looked up Logan Thomas’s stat as well as Kieth Price, both have some great statistics. Who ever is available some one is going to grab. I like your thinking. As for our coaching staff, if we end up losers at the end of the season they should all go. DAMN… Love to see Cower what a staff he would bring in. I jus am so disappointed at the way our team is playing. We are playing one of the most complete teams in the NFL Monday, they are going to be all over Sanchez and if Tebow gets in, once again we face disaster. Go with MaClroy it’s for sure we can’t do any worse, who knows we may score some points…

  137. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    s.c.jOE,Forget about getting Logan Thomas in any round other than the 1st. If guys like Weeden in Cleveland get drafted in the first, no way a stud like Logan T. gets picked later than pk#5. 64, Tebow? Your advocating Tebow?Dude, did you read my above post on that very subject? If a smart guy like you cant see how much damage starting T.T would do I’m getting really worried about our fan base. S.CJoe, right you are about Price. We already have a munchkin Q.B. with an avg arm.In the north east it does help to have a strong arm as the wind is difficult for guys with not so great arms (loke Pennington)

  138. By GaryC on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    It is funny that fans only recognize names and say bring this guy in over another.Just like fading movie stars you also have fading football players,Hill has more potential then any of those other prima donnas that are out of work.Past Glory does not guarantee future success,Give up on the ghosts and put up a Fathead if you want to see them anymore.

  139. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I had the same reaction as GaryC, the time or two I saw Price play he looked bigger than that. If he’s really 6′ 1″ forget it, we already have McElroy at that size. RON A, I don’t really think Tebow will ever be a great NFL QB. But if you bother to get him and don’t even try him at the position before dumping him, you’ve wasted both time and money. If this throwing motion of his could really be fixed, he’s got a lot of the other skills needed. If not, though, let’s find out now and play him some this yr — at least, if Sanchez doesn’t make the kind of turnaround this season that we need him to make.

  140. By scjoe on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, you may be right on Logan, and a lot of things could happen between now and the April draft (gee, isn’t it to bad we have to be talking about the 2013 draft 4 games in to the 2012 season?) Anyway, if the Jets pick where we think they will pick (top 5) it may be to high for Logan, but he could be a good bargaining chip to move down and pick up some extra picks and still pick up that 6’4″ strong armed QB a couple of rounds later. Remember this name for rd #1 Marcus Lattimore (RB SC) I have seen this kid play since he was a freshman at Byrnes HS, anyone who follows high school football can tell you about the Byrnes HS program.

  141. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, I agree fully…But Logan will be gone in the top five. Kieth Price more then likely will too. As for TT, hasn’t this MS and TT senerio made the Jets the laughing breed of the NFL and news reporters…I do not know how good MaClroy is, but I feel he should start.

  142. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Ira,, Really> ok agreed after you return the thousands of Dollars I spend attending watching and rooting this team on over the years for nothing in return, other then stress aggravation and heartache do you believe I woke up one day and said, I Have nothing better to do then lambaste Sanchez Rex Woody Mike -T Wilson, Vlad, VG McKnight Tebow Hunter Conner Greene etc. etc. etc. I’m running out of time,..BTW by time I don’t mean patience.. Pl,ease with that hip hip hooray garbage it isn’t going to fly here anymore sorry my friend

  143. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, it’s because of what you say about movie star-like players that I advocate building thru the draft, like every team that was ever great for more than 1 or 2 lucky yrs has ever done. So whaddya want from my life, huh? You’re also the guy who says we’ll never be a PIT/NE/GB-style franchise that drafts, grooms, and performs well, so what’s the answer? More Rex-like fixation on 1 or 2 guys that Mr T will break the bank for? More endless hype of and misery with the poor choices we make in the draft? No, the whole thinking of trying to catch up with the big brother Giants in a yr or 2 must change, and that’s why getting out of this doomed, should-be-domed stadium and building our own place to play is actually the biggest priority of all.

  144. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Tom, great insight. The funny thing is Brooklyn wants to build a stadium if they can get funding. Their main goal is to bring a baseball team back to Brooklyn. But, I like your thinking and just maybe if this does happen they can draw the Jets back to NYC. Damn another BB team in Brooklyn, hope they call it the Hobo’s its a little better sounding then the “BROOKLYN BUMS” speaking of which with the Jets coaching staff and this TT and MS senerio, they could be
    called the “BUMS”….

  145. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Jet Vet & S.C.Joe,64, &Jet fan64Frank, Guys, I’m not a Tebow hater, I just feel it would retard out progress letting him run around and mabey even winning a few games now buy lulling this organization into thinking he is a long term soloution.Other than Barkley, here are a few guys we many want to consider;
    Rd,1 Logan Thomas 6-6 260 a lot to like fast, great arm,& coachable
    Geno Smith 6-3 225 athletic, funky throwing motion but successful
    Tyler Bray 6-6 220 Tenn. big,strong,decent mobility,big arm,mobility o.k
    rd.2 E.J.Manual, 6-4 245 big, strongarm, big time prog,good athlete
    Tyler Wilson Ark. 6-2 218 reminds me too much of Sanchez ditto
    Aaron Murray Ga. 6-2 210 & Landry Jones Ok. 6-4 225 not sold

  146. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    64 Frank, I didn’t know Brooklyn is up for building a stadium. Please keep me and the rest of us posted on that because any movement to get the Jets into such a place would be fantastic, even if one never associates the Jets with that borough. You can already see what the move is doing for the Nets and the Jets need that kind of reset. As for the lease on the MetLife atrocity, folks like Spicer make me laugh on this one, those kinds of deals can be gotten out of at the drop of a helmet, if with some bucks to grease the deal. The Giants would be so ecstatic to be done with us and call the place Giants Stadium that they’d move mountains to make it all happen.

  147. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    I will definitly keep you informed Tom… YES, it would be great for the JETS. Only thing hol;ding any such stadium up is naturally “money, parking and the exact location. Ron, most of the players you mentioned have great statistics I definitly feel Bray could fit right in. BUT you know we need coaches that want to improve the team with young players like Houston did, and it all depends on where the Jets land in the draft which is 6 months away. Even REX stated something has to be done… Put MaClroy in against Houston. I feel Sanchez is going to have another bad night against probably the best defensive and offensive team in the league. You know what really hurts, is we have some talented players but bad coaching.

  148. By scjoe on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    64 Tom and Frank. There is no way no how the NY Jets end up in Brooklyn. Great for day dreaming but aint going to happen! They are committed to the Meadowlands and to NJ, they even built a multi million dollar practice facility there. Now, I am a big believer in the old saying “never say never” but I will say this, it will not happen in our lifetime. Do you honestly believe they turn over that billion dollar complex to the Giants? Do you believe the Giants would even want to assume that kind of dept all to them selves? Fahgeddaboudit!!!!!!

  149. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Good list of QBs, RON A, thanks!

  150. By JOE on Oct 5, 2012 | Reply

    Guys 20 of my buddys played in the league Childhood friend is now HC at the U. My business part played 8 years was all american at Nebraska mid 90s (regarded as greatest college team ever) The above being said I LEARNED 1 THING FROM ALL OF THEM THAT IS THE GREATEST FAN MISCONCEPTION OUT THERE IS ONE NFL COACH KNOWS MORE X ans o than another The NFL is not the local HS .Whetherv its SHOTTY ,SPARANO MIKE MARKS ECT IS IRREVELANT AS TALENT WINS GAMES AND THE JETS TALENT IS HORRIBLE

  151. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, I disagree. When defense is on the field 81.5 percent of the time, they get worn down, proof of this was against the 49’rs. The Jet offense can not convert on 3rd downs with what talent we have on offense. Inaccurate passes, fumble, interceptions, sacks are caused by a q/b that can not read a defense and can not audio a play. Offensively, what has Sparano done. His wild cats are a dud, TT is a dud, and as for MS, I don’t even want to got their. Coming into last weeks game with San Fran we knew they were good. Monday they play a team I feel on offense and defense are a much better team. Is their an answer? “IF” MS does not move the team 1/2 way through the 1st quarter, it’s time for a Q?B Channge, it’s time for MacLroy…

  152. By Joe on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Tom nomatter how you slice it it is a QB driven league .I truely believe no matter which cord is in here the results will be the same because the players(QB IN PART ICULAR )are terrible. Your my witness as i preached for months bringing SPARANO here WOULD IN FACT DO ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NOTHING How many times in NFL history have we seen Super Bowl winning coaches go out as failures simply because the teams scouting departments picked wrong (Seiffort ,Shula Billick,Noll Gruden ect )To the dreamers mentioning Cowher hes already stated UNLESS A FRANCHISE QB IS IN PLACE HES GOT NO INTEREST IN COACHING LOL i dont think anyone CONSIDERS SANCHEZ A FRANCHISE QB

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