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Rex Confident Despite Latest Injury Setback

Posted by Randy Lange on October 3, 2012 – 2:15 pm

Updated, 4:02 p.m. ET

The Jets, having lost their second starter and star in two weeks with word that Santonio Holmes is out for the season with a Lisfranc foot injury, are now in fragile football territory. But Rex Ryan said today, as expected and as he should say, that he believes these Jets are made of the right stuff to overcome this latest setback.

“It does test the resolve of your team, but I think that’s one of our strengths,” the Jets head coach said at today’s midday news conference at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center. “I know the character of the men in the locker room. That’s what I’ll lean on.

“I absolutely know how confident I am. I’m going to lean on them and I expect a lot from them. Are they as confident as I am? You’ll have to ask them, but I would think we are.”

Also as one would expect, the players after practice also expressed confidence in the face of the longer odds these days as the undefeated Houston Texans come to town for some Monday Night Football:

“Every game’s important, but this is one where we definitely need everything in the forefront,” safety Yeremiah Bell said. “Obviously we’re not happy about how we played Sunday. We can’t wait to get back on the field.”

“It’s always difficult to lose guys to injury. It’s a tough task for our guys to overcome,” center Nick Mangold offered. “But that’s what we expect and that’s what I think we’ll do.”

DT Mike DeVito hasn’t wavered from his belief in his unit. “I always say about this defense, we’ve got to be the rock on this team. We’ve got to be the constant.”

And rookie LB/special teamer Demario Davis replied: “You have injuries, that’s part of it. You can’t win with players you don’t have. You have to win with players you’ve got. We have to go play.”

In regard to the Jets’ battle readiness, Ryan was asked to address 49ers corner Carlos Rogers’ comments about the Jets on SiriusXM NFL Radio on Tuesday night that “It really kind of shocked me to see that those guys were really just ready to get in the shower” during Sunday’s game at MetLife Stadium.

“Certainly we didn’t play well,” Ryan said. “I think we have a reputation in this league of playing with tremendous effort and we didn’t play that way. As far as us quitting, no way. We got beat, no two ways about it, and we talked about that. But it does show that other teams expect a lot out of this defense, but obviously not any more than we expect from ourselves.”

“Did we get fatigued? I think we did, we wore down at the end of the game. But there was no quit. You can look at that tape. There’s no quit.”

Yet the Jets will now have to fight woe-is-us syndrome, and fight it off quickly because the Houston Texans have been flexing their muscles to a 4-0 start and come into MetLife for the Jets’ first primetime game of the season on Monday night.

It’s hard to say how soon the newest arrivals will be able to contribute to the Jets’ effort and performance in the coming weeks, but several sore spots or openings have been filled this week. Jason Hill was signed to help out at the aching wideout position, Aaron Berry has come in at the Revis-less CB position, and Lex Hilliard comes in at RB/FB with three straight 16-game seasons of production on the Tony Sparano Dolphins from 2009-11.

Ryan said while his video from Sunday’s game doesn’t show the Jets heading for early showers, it does show errors that again must be worked on and corrected this week. He and his coaches huddled Monday and Tuesday, and the players will practice from today through Saturday to be ready for their closeups on ESPN.

“We have to get better. We can’t worry about who we play,” the coach said. “The fact that we’re playing a team regarded as the best team in the National Football League … we have to improve ourselves, go back and look at our team, what we’re trying to do, what we ask of ourselves before we get into game-plan specifics for Houston.

“That tape doesn’t lie. We have to improve. We have to get better. And I think we will.”

The New Hill at Wideout

Hill (6’0″, 202), San Francisco’s third-round pick (76th overall) out of Washington State in 2007, has had some production in three full seasons with San Francisco and parts of two seasons with Jacksonville. His career numbers are unimpressive (five seasons, 76 catches, 1,028 yards, 13.5 average, eight touchdowns).

But he picked it up in 16 games over those 2010 and ’11 seasons with the Jaguars, making 36 catches for a 17.1-yard average and four TDs. He’s also 27 and had the second-fastest 40 at the 2007 combine workouts with a 4.32 timing.

“I’m very excited,” he said today after his first practice in green and white catching a few passes from his new QB, Mark Sanchez. “This is a new beginning for myself. I’m looking to start something fresh here, pick it up and go in a positive way.”

Hill also, you’ll recall, was quoted as referring to the Jets in general and Darrelle Revis in particular as being “overhyped” before last season’s Game 2 Jets-Jags game — a game Hill was inactive due to a hip injury. But Hill, after no-commenting a few questions about that quote, said he felt things were taken out of context, especially in Jets territory.

“It’s in the past. We’re teammates now,” he said. “We’re going to move forward accordingly.”

Hill means it. He was in the middle of a workout with the Saints when his agent, Peter Schaffer, called him and told him of the opportunity with the Jets, “so I stopped the workout there and came here ASAP,” he said. “It was surprising, but that’s the business.”

More Giveaway Trivia

Several more notes from the Niners game:

Carlos Rogers not only had the longest fumble-return TD against the Jets since Rashard Anderson at Carolina in October 2001 but the Niners corner also had the longest FR TD in a Jets home game since DT Chukie Nwokorie (remember him?) went 95 yards with the aborted handoff from Vinny Testaverde to short-yardage FB David Loverne in the 2001 opening-day loss to the Colts.

Rogers also recovered the fumble forced by Dashon Goldson on Dedrick Epps’ reception, giving him two for the game. He’s the first opponent with two fumble recoveries in a game since LB Sam Cowart was a Bill and did it at Buffalo in 2000, and he’s the first opponent to recover two in a Jets home game since Bill Romanowski did the same, also for the Niners, in 1989.

Perhaps more significant than those trips down Bad Memory Lane is that the Jets lost three fumbles for only the second time since 2006. The only other time came at Baltimore last season.

Injury Picture

As Monday night participants, the Jets and Texans don’t have to list their injuries until Thursday. Ryan said today about TE Dustin Keller (hamstring), who’s missed three games, “I always feel confident that he’s got a chance to get back and I’ve been wrong. … Really, I’m not sure. Maybe we’ll know more about it in the next couple of days. I don’t think he’s practicing today, though.” Rookie WR Stephen Hill (hamstring) also will not participate in today’s first practice of the week.

As for Holmes’ prognosis, Lisfranc surgery is ahead, no date yet announced, but Ryan said the Jets doctors and trainers “have confidence he’ll make a full recovery and be back next year.”

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99 Responses to “Rex Confident Despite Latest Injury Setback”

  1. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    I notice you didn’t print this quote from Rex today, Randy: “How many people are going to feel sorry for the New York Jets?” Rex Ryan asked. “I know the answer to that — nobody.” And I didn’t really expect you to print it, because it’s a line out of Shakespeare or even a Greek tragedy. Rex comes in with all this talk, turns the Jets into the most hated team in the NFL, puts ridiculous pressure on everyone from his green rookie QB to his best vets, refuses to adjust to how the game is played on O, and then wonders passively-aggressively why no one cries for him. This man simply isn’t smart or mature enough to coach a San Fernando Valley high school team, much less turn around the incredibly troubled franchise that is the New Jersey Jets.

  2. By Jack on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Rex Ryan said he not going to go out and signs any old slow WR’s meaning like Plaxico, Johnson or a T.O. he want a young fast WR, So there like 2 -3 weeks left before the trading deadline. So can’t see jets trying to make a trade for as WR, But I feel it would be better if they can get their running games going the Ground and Pound and I feel it would be better if the can make a trades for a RB, RB, Darren McFadden or RB, DeMarco Murray come in mind I think it would be a good move if they can traded for or of those 2 backs. Get done get done soon. Tanny

  3. By Howie D on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Randy: Is McElroy eligible and fit to play?

  4. By Randy Lange on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Howie D, Greg McElroy is on the active roster and has been deactivated for all four games. But if he is not on the gameday inactive list, he could play and would play if called on.

  5. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Well, I thought that my previous comments and predictions were sound after week 1. However, I have been proven wrong. The franchise is in shambles. Poor defense and no offense as well as only average special teams. I think it is time for a change and have a feeling a whole new regime will be in place for next year…..

  6. By scjoe on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    I will say this in support of Rex’s comments. When your offense goes 3 and out 5 times in the second half, when your QB throws an INT on the 6th and you have a fumble on the 7th. I would expect that the defense absolutely will show some fatigue. This defense is not steller, it is not top 5 (even before the DR injury. But the larger problem lies within the offensive unit, top to bottom. You can’t draw water from an empty well.

  7. By Howie D on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Randy: I don’t believe we’ve ever lost a game to the Texans. Am I correct?

  8. By Randy Lange on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Howie, the Jets are 5-0 all-time against the Texans, who are the only NFL opponent the Jets have never lost to.

  9. By Jack on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Let hope he plays nor Sanchez or Tebow will help the team win 5 games.

  10. By Jack on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Randy do you think Jets will make a trade for a RB or WR before the trading deadline ends.

  11. By Randy Lange on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Jack, I don’t know the answer to that. If Lex Hilliard and Jason Hill do good things in the coming weeks, maybe not. Keep in mind that this year the trading deadline comes after Week 8 instead of Week 6.

  12. By sal cottone on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    At this point does he have any credablity in anything he says, dont forget this is the best team he has had here yet!. More to my point, I have mentioed the players they had let go, from the run game to the o-line the D line and recivers, and each one has bit them big time. Onto the latest They were 2nd only to the lions in Red zone offence with Burris, where did they end up last year?. There is no run game what so ever, so much for ground and pound. Now iith Holmes out, and Iam not a Holmes fan ,never was, who do they get, they have 3 recievers down, Lets make it a real circus and get the real clowns # 85 not even sure what name he is using now, Owens, I love me some me!, and Burris who no one knows what he did to get blackballed.

  13. By Frank Verde on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    I’m not buying into the “no talent-sky is falling-off with their heads-I told you so” mantra. The non-contact injuries continue unabated. Ironically, Rex demonstrated leadership when so many players responded to his call for the team to become faster and stronger. TT added jet fuel to the fire and thus ‘Muscle-bound mania’: the debilitating misconception which equates winning in the weight room to winning NFL games. Strength is important. Technique, execution and schemes win NFL games. Repeated over-excerption stresses muscles. Then, simply breaking into a sprint or making a cut can trigger massive muscle knots that clamp on the tendons. If another muscle yanks against that, you have a hamstring injury, torn Achilles, ligament, etc.

  14. By Frank Verde on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets have rough skies ahead. Fans with weak stomachs shouldn’t bother to get on board. The rest of us have to suck it up. This isn’t a plug ‘n play league. The WRs and TEs have to know the schemes and need lots of reps. With all the injuries, that isn’t happening and when that isn’t happening, it’s as if a bunch of Ochos are running around the field. We’re going to get slapped around by great defenses until there is some continuity of personnel. The Jets are going to have to ice their bruised egos and get their heads in the game and wait for some healthy WRs and TEs show up ready to play. Go Jets!

  15. By Charliejet on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Jets loose Holmes for the year… soooooo, what do they do? They go out and get a FULLBACK…. I tell ya, you can’t make this stuff up.

  16. By JR on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Does it matter at all what the fans think about this team anyway? After all we do pay the bills. I keep watching the same horrible series of events unfold year after year and you think I would be smart enough to change teams and become a Giant fan. What will it take to get a competitive team again and what will it take to retain talent for our team instead of shipping good players around the league?

    I thought Rex was the answer and he convinced me that Sanchez was the answer. Then we got Tebow who does not play. Looks like we all got fooled again. Kind of like when Lucy keeps pulling the football away from Charlie Brown…but we both keep coming back for more….but for how long?

    Me…about 45 years

  17. By SCfromNY on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Understatement of the day from Rex,”I am confident but have been wrong in the past”.He talks about strenght, resolve and effort. Is he kidding. The Texans should break there winless streak against the Jets Monday. It’s become beyond frustration to simply unbelievable.

  18. By Charliejet on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    I think Ryan was pulling a big bluff on the wildcat/Tebow thing. Remember they practiced the wildcat behind closed doors to “keep the opposing defensed up all night prepping for the Jets” yet the Jets have nothing to show for it, NOTHING. When they do the wildcat, it is mundane and boring no innovation at all. Makes one wonder did they indeed practice the wildcat at all because Ryan thought if we just give the IMPRESSION that the jets will use the wildcat would be enough to give defensive coaches nightmares. I don’t think they even practiced the wildcat that much.

  19. By GaryC on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    At least the jets are straying a bit from Munchkinland,they are actually bringing in corners with size,Inch by inch.

  20. By joeyjets12fla on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    the offense this team is running this year is the offense thfirst ey should have run in sanchez first year. then now in his 4th season he might have a grasp of it, but no they ruined this kid right out of the gate.

  21. By JOE on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Lets review the facts here .The NY Jets have not won a single game against a team with a winning record in almost 2 years .The super bowl caliber teams we did play (SF ,BALTIMORE ,NE2X )LITERALLY DESTROYED US BY COMBINED SCORES OF SOMETHING LIKE 160-24 .Revis or no Revis ,Holmes or no Holmes ITS TOTALL IRREVELANT BECAUSE THIS TEAM IS SIMPLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH WHETHER THEY PLAY OR NOT Rex could claim to be confident (this is the VERY SAME REX WHO CLAIMED WE WOULD WIN THE SB LAST YEAR )

  22. By robertpapalia on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Now that everybody knows that Rex is full of bluster and nothing else its time to think about next year. That starts with both Rex and Tannenbaum being shown the door. This team needs to be rebuilt and that starts with new management. Hopefully the right kind of real football people will be put in place. And if Woody does not do the right thing he should sell the team. The Jets fan including myself have suffered long enough though this travesty of a football organization.

  23. By JOE on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    lETS also review so other ISSUES REX was confident on .Idid not come here to kiss Belichicks RINGS .First were going to GROUND THEM THEN POUND THEM .I personally GUARANTEE we will win the SB THIS YEAR (2 STRAIGHT YEARS IN A ROW )This is our best team yet (2012 )WRONG IN EVERY SENSE The only issue REX GOT RIGHT WAS =PLAY LIKE A JET .(Against SF we did play like JETS In the past 40 plus years the only thing this team has won is a spot on the NFL NETWORKS MOST SNAKEBIT FRANCHISES OF ALL TIME The above constitutes PLAYING LIKE A JET )

  24. By Karan on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Jack, thats a good point. The trade deadline is approachingmsoon, I think the Jets should trade with Seahawks for Braylon Edwards. I mean, he’s barely being utilized in Seattle at the time. We desperatly need a WR of that caliber. But, Mike T. would never do this. He doesn’t really know whats best for the team, clueless, the man is clueless.

  25. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, you make a lot of good pts in your 2 posts, but Rex doesn’t get any gold stars for understanding the “faster and stronger” thing. It’s only because he’s so reluctant to get rid of players who are older and slower that it took him into his 4th yr to start to see the light.

  26. By JOE on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply


  27. By GaryC on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Randy,don’t know if you can touch this one,Has anyone at the pressers asked Rex why Bryan Thomas was cut,then able to retain his starting spot,that was kind of a strange one.do they really feel the backups are not worthy of starting.

  28. By JOE on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    ps someone mentioked Burris from what i understand we tried to get him back but he simply wants too much money.

  29. By Randy Lange on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I don’t believe Rex Ryan was ever asked specifically why Bryan Thomas was released before the MIA game, then re-signed a few days later. My thought was that it was complicated: BT hadn’t practiced for two weeks with a hamstring and wasn’t going to play at MIA, Garrett McIntyre showed he could handle the starting OLB role at PIT, and the Jets felt they needed an emergency CB available for MIA because they didn’t know if Ellis Lankster (low back) would be able to play. So they signed CB Donnie Fletcher off the practice squad and took a calculated risk that they would be able to re-sign Thomas. I could be wrong.

  30. By chris long time jet fan on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    why does rex love sanchez so much,….sanchez is terrible …he cant throw a lead pass at 3yds or 30 yds’…1 interception ..1 fumble …2 batted balls”per game….the best part its never marks fault..we need football people who know how to evalulate good prospects enuff with the silverspoon project…he terrible

  31. By scjoe on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Dr Frank, gee, I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. Don’t think for a NY minute that makes me feel good.

  32. By scjoe on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Jack, in theory, a trade for Darren McFadden or Demarco Murray sounds just like what the doctor ordered! Just one minor detail, exactly who on this current Jets roster would either Oakland or Dallas accept in return?

  33. By scjoe on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I actually like the Berry signing. I think the guy has some talent, probably more then anything we currently have at that position. Maybe, just maybe, the guy has got his act together and is willing to use that talent on the football field. That could be huge.

  34. By scjoe on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    Well, it is Wednesday, four days after the latest “debacle” and we haven’t heard a word from the CJFs and Fla. Pete’s, and all those others who arrogantly critiqued the posts by those “sad Jet fans” on this site. Looking forward to hearing from the “real Jet fans” those who never speak negatively about them.

  35. By TONY GARCIA on Oct 3, 2012 | Reply

    JET FAN since 1969.HARD to believe but i have seen worse jet teams in the early 70’s. THEN WALT MICHEAL’S team became afc east force then they fire coach after loosing to MIAMI in the mud bowl.FAN’S have short term memories FRANCHISE has been stable over the last 15 years compared to previous 20.

  36. By GivingEmTheBusiness on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply


    Here are some questions to ponder…
    1. How much does Jim Leonard not being here and having two new safties (who are supposedly the ‘Quarterbacks’ of Rex Ryan’s defense) hurt their defense? One new safety is a lot, two is hard to overcome.
    2. I love the heart of Sione Pouha and DeVito, but they were backups under Mangini
    3. Do you think that Rex inherited a coached-up team from Mangini, and it was Mangini’s disciplined style that contributed to molding players such as Mangold, Ferguson, Revis, etc?
    4. I think that the undervalued subtraction from the team was strength and conditioning coach Alosi (I don’t remember this many players getting injured or the Jets being physically pushed around like they are today under Alosi).

  37. By ELI RODRIGUEZ on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply


  38. By GivingEmTheBusiness on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    5. How could the Jets overevaluate their own talent so badly?
    6. Do you think not having depth and not going after pieces to plug holes (Offensive Guard and Tackles, RB, WR, DT, NTs) has to do with Rex and Tanny being limited by Johnson?
    7. I know this is a Jets site, but do you think the lack of free agents on offense is attributed to Woody Johnson thinking Tebow would be enough, or do you think Woody thought the team was set business-wise with Tebow to just sell seats?

    I don’t want to put your job in jeopardy, but I had to ask!!


  39. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    From NFL News: “Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News noted that Holmes is due $7.5 million in guaranteed money next year. That’s a big cost. Even if the Jets wanted to move on from Holmes after his Lisfranc injury, his contract likely will prevent it from happening. There’s also no chance another team will want to trade for Holmes at that salary while he’s coming off an injury. The Jets and Holmes seem stuck together, for better or worse.” My response? Eat the $7.5 mil, trade him for whatever you can get — if it’s a #3 or higher we did fine — and move on. Same for Revis, these guys will be retired or in the HOF by the time we’re a SB contender again. Get what you can for them ASAP!

  40. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    If the season collaspses, normally a football fan would have a high draft pick to look forward too, but not me. Shall I repeat? Yes I shall.


    Oh the shame of it.

    Bitter Blinka

  41. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Everyone, to some degree knows what their limitations are. If Tannenbaum is still here and is holding a high pick come the draft, just pray that he knows to trade it for a proven veteran.

  42. By GaryC on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe,yes give Berry a chance,look at the corners now,none are great tacklers,Kapernick ran through wilson at the goalline,we know Cromartie avoids contact,and with Lankster and Trufant,that is road kill with a pulling guard coming at them.It would help the run defense if the corners were able to tackle a bit.

  43. By GaryC on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    I said this one other time,when the draft rolls around,have one fan per round make a pick and it will come out better then what Tanny has been doing.

  44. By GaryC on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    have the commissioner call a fan at radio city each round to make the jet selection.

  45. By JetBlue on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Per Carlos Rogers: Jet’s defense played uninspired, were afraid to takle, and were looking for the showers early in the 2nd half of the SF game. That about sums up Rex’s defense.
    Not sure we’ll ever get to see what McElroy can do as Rex has him in his dog house for his honest comments in the off-season. McElroy has been deactivated on the game roster for all 4 game so far. Why? This is a QB has won a championship at every level he’s ever played. We’ve seen glimpses of his toughneess and ability to create and extend a play in the pre-season. I guess Rex is afraid that if he put McElroy in, his boy MS will get exposed for the fraud of a QB he really is.

  46. By scjoe on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Re: the two quotes, “expect an inspired Jet team” and I know our guys will step it up” This tells me one of two things, 1-It means the Jets were NOT inspired to face the 49rs, one of the top teams in the NFL, OR, 2- they were inspired but they are truly that much worse then the top teams around the league. Can anyone think of another explanation? I am not a genius, but I would think that being inspired, or “stepping it up” will not possibly overcome the type of lifeless, listless performance that we saw vs SF last week.

  47. By Jack on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    SCJOE ) Jets has till the 8th weeks the Miami game or before the bye week to make a trades for someone like RB, McFadden or RB, DeMarco Murray. Not knowing what Oakland needs are. But I would think they would needs more offense to help out QB, Palmer. WR’s Scotty McKnight or Chaz Schilens but didn’t he just came from Oakland Patrick Turner jets will need to sign him back to make a trade. RB, Joe McKnight, FB, John Conner. DE, Jay Richardson DT, Marcus Dixon, LB, Garrett Mclntyre, LB. Bryan Thomas, CB, Isaiah Trufant, As for RB, Demarco Murray I would trades RB, Shonn Greene for him. This is where Tanny is pretty good at making trades for others players I’m sure he can get a deal done.

  48. By SCfromNY on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    For the most part I like Holmes for his ability, when he wants to play, but as a #1 he is overrated. He had 132 catches in 3 years. Wes Welker had 123 in 1 year. Find another #1 WR who adverages 44 catches per year. Part is the poor Jet offense which can not stay on the field, the OL has underperformed, there is no running game except “ground and pout”, and Sanchez IS NOT the answer at QB. He had his moments but that is nowhere near good enough. Even Spicer hasn’t any stats to support Sanchez.. I know they will never do it but: Start McElroy and the young WRs, start McKnight or trade for a RB, and lastly something I hate to say,”Get rid of Rex”. We need a coach to make the team accountable and play better. Sporano and Pettine can leave also

  49. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    The quality of this team is about as much in doubt as the outcome of last night’s debate. But like with some politicians, there’s always room for excuses for those who are failing yr after yr, like Mr T, Rex, and Sanchez. One of the reasons I know we’re going nowhere until we have new ownership, new vision, and a mostly new roster is because I know from yrs of experience that while some people stand around making excuses for themselves or their inept cronies, the ones who succeed are those who keep using their energies and insights to be successful. Or to paraphrase one of last night’s debaters, if I could meet our clueless HC, I’d say of his praise for MS, “I’ve been watching QBs for 50 years and I have no idea what you’re talking about.”

  50. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    If we go for a QB in the draft it has to be a guy who is 6’3 to 6’6. He has to be a pure pocket passer. He has to have a laser rocket arm & he has to be used to playing in cold weather. Anything else & we will be back in this mess all over in 3 years from now.

  51. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Everyone knew the O was going to be bad. We have no playmakers anywhere. But the D is terrible & the Revis excuse is out the window. We are getting the ball run down our throat Revis doesnt stop the run. The 49ers ran for 245 yards vs us. It is time to bench the old & slow & go with the youth & speed. Pouha, Devito, Pace, Scott & Thomas MEET THE BENCH! Ellis, Coples, Maybin, Mcntyre & Davis all need to start or play way more. On O Kerley, Hill, Powell & McKnight all need to start play much more. We need to see what we have in these guys. I already know that Greene & Schilienes are not the answer. Also please NO Tebow we would win a few games at the start. But not make it anywhere big & it will only delay us movin on to a new QB.

  52. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Guys Woody is not selling the team so forget about it. The best your going to get it MR.T & Rex out THATS IT!

  53. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Also we are not moving to another stadium we just started playing in this one. It is not happening so forget it.

  54. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets are not playing Mcelroy either you are wasting your breath. You tell Sanchez we dont care that Revis is out. We dont care that Holmes is out. We dont care that Keller has not played a game all year. We dont care that Greene is the worst starting running back in all of football & we dont care that Hill has missed 2 games. Either you step up the rest of this year or you are out of hear.

  55. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Finally the Jets have no idea what they are doing they are the only team on the planet that will trade themeselves INTO a QB conterversy. They NEVER gave this kid a chance to suceed. At the start of each season you hope for the best but just look at this team over the last 4 years. 1 year out of 4 years Mark had the weapons to succeed. 2010 Braylon, Holmes, Cotchery, Keller & LT with Greene strictly what he is good at being a BACKUP! The other 3 years he has had nothing around him. Also to make matter worse since Rex has been with us the entire top of the draft has been focused on D meanwhile our D is terrible this year. Off the top of my head Rex’s first year. Wilson. 2nd year 1st pick Wilkerson, 2nd pick traded for Cromartie & 3rd pick

  56. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Ellis. This year 1st pick Coples, 2nd pick a project WR & 3rd pick Davis. Where is the help on O? Championship teams unless it is a pass rusher year after year the draft weapons to help there QB succed O line, WR, RB & TE. The Jets we have a good D lets load up on some more D ignore the O. Than the icing on the cake even with all that focus in the D they are still REALLY REALLY BAD. You gave up 245 rushing yards AT HOME!

  57. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry to say, sounds to me Rex is trying more to convince Woody Johnson and Himself, forget Mike T he’s a non entity at this point in time in my opinion, on talking points pertaining to all these injuries, next man up, motivation, rebounding. resolve confidence . I know for a FACT most here aren’t buying what he’s selling.Shame meltdown .there is no way this team with what we have to work with can contend for playoffs let alone AFC east AFC Championship. or Super bowl. all the pressers in the world will not change that fact

  58. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    I hope Spicer is alright haven’t heard from him lately hope he doesn’t do anything rash . Sanchez may be benched for Ryan leaf

  59. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    2009 Cothcery wr, Stuckey wr, Keller te, Jones rb (at the end of the line) & the 3rd WR was so bad I dont remember his name. This was the opening day starters TERRIBLE! 2011 Holmes WR, a washed up Plax & a washed up Mason at the other 2 WR spots. Greene at RB & Keller at TE. 2 good guys Holmes & Keller THATS IT! 2012 Holmes wr, Hill wr ( a project WR) & Kerley wr a unproven guy. Greene RB & Keller at TE (who has not played a game all year) Again 2 good guys Holmes & Keller. Now Holmes is out for the year & Keller still might not play this week that is 5 games missed. You hope for the best but in reality 1 YEAR out of 4 did they give this kid a shot to do well. This is going to get ugly top 10 pick ugly!

  60. By JetBlue on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Spice: You’re getting closer to reality, but still not quite there. Until you come to terms with your man-crush for Sanchez, you’ll continue to find any excuse for his poor play, both physically and mentally, these past 3 + yrs. Please, name one thing he does well. Does he prepare for the defense he is facing? Nah. Does he read defenses pre or post snap? Nah. Does he anticipate pressure? Nah. Does he move well in the pocket? Nah. Does he throw accurately? Nah. Can he throw downfield? Nah. Can he quickly ID coverage and take advantage of a mismatch? Nah. Can he throw the quick out? Nah. Can he throw a screen pass? Nah. Most of all, does he give opposing defesnes anything to worry about when he’s on the field. Nahhhhhhh.

  61. By chris long time jet fan on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    in any sport …. mental is a big part of it…sanchez brings down the team …its easy to see its the here we go again team altitude.the players know you cant speak about sanchez ..they will be cut or deactivated. i would like for somebody to give me a reason why rex would risk his career for mark…we have a good team ..what we have is a failure to communicate because of mark.

  62. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Mike The EX Jet, How is Kellen Clemens doing?

  63. By chris long time jet fan on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    just not enuff talent to overcome mark inablities at…. qb……he cant throw a good ball even in the backfield…..how much money we gave to mark with an entension…shows somebody lost touch with reality.

  64. By JetBlue on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    One more on MS: When you show up for work with an empty tool box, you have no choice but to hope someone else will get the job done. Rex has no game plan and Sanchez has no QB skills. It’s so obviuos. This team doesn’t rely on their QB because nobody’s seem any eveidence that he has the tools to do the job. We’ve seen this now for over 3 seasons. How many chances would you give a plumber if he botched up a job in your home? Would you call him back in? NO! You’ve seen enough. And Rex, PLEASE, just shut up. Nothing you say makes any sense. It’s just “Obviously, ya know, blah blah blah”. Best hope is for the Jets to lose remaining games, which is entirely possible. Never mind Barkley. Let’s go to WV. Geno, Geno, Geno!

  65. By Mike V on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez is immediate problem number 1 (and Tebow isn’t the answer, but why no play him so he can prove he either is or isn’t), OC is immediate problem number 2 (how did we find they only guy worse than Schotty?) and Rex’s belief that restricting your offense to dink and dunk passing and running the ball is number 3. This is a passing league! This whole philosophy of telling the offense “don’t take any chances and don’t screw anything up so the defense can win the game” is insane! When you are behind by 34 points (or even 10) there is nothing wrong with throwing the ball deep. And who cares about deep interceptions when you are getting killed? A pick can be as good as a punt! One more thing: Keller can’t catch and none of our TE’s can!

  66. By Jack on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    If we go for a QB, with the 1st pick as of right now I only have 3 top QB’s that may be going in the 1st Rd’s. Geno Smith SR, West Viginia, E.J. Manuel Florida St, and Collin Klein Kansas St, these are the only QB’s, I have for now till I get more information on the others. Matt Barkley not too sure about him now I believe his stock had gone down. Jets should had made Bill Callahan the offensive Coordinator instead of Sparano. Next best thing that the Jets could hope to do is trying to make Bill Cowher the head coach for the jets or buying out Jon Gruden contract with espn and hire him as the head coach with they should had done went he was fired from TB. Steve Spagnuolo would be a good choice for the defensive Coordinator.

  67. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    From Rotoworld. “Jeremy Kerley and Chaz Schilens are expected to be the Jets’ starting wideouts in Week 5.
    It’s one of the worst starting wideout duos in recent memory. Kerley is a 5’9/188 slot receiver/return man and the oft-injured Schilens has struggled for consistency while failing to top 29 catches in any of his four NFL seasons. They’ll be backed up by Clyde Gates, who was cut by the Dolphins prior to Week 1. Newly acquired Jason Hill will also be in the mix. This entire offense is “hands off” against the Texans’ top-ranked defense Monday night. Translation to english we are going to get blown out!

  68. By kleckofan on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer- I can agree that the cast of players has declined over Mark’s 4 yrs, but to continue to ignore this kid’s shortcomings is downright delusional. He is no Alex Smith, just needing the right guys and system. He is immature, has no poise, no presence, no leadership abilities, and no instincts. I know, 2 AFC Champ…yadda
    Karan- please stop asking for WR trades, see the big picture, WR this yr is meaningless. For that matter forget any trade this yr unless it will provide addition by subtraction or draft picks.
    Hello, we are in rebuild stage. The only ones who don’t know it are the guys in our front office (and Ira, sorry for that).Trade Holmes,Tebow, and even Revis, stockpile picks, then have someone else making those picks.
    Get Gruden

  69. By kleckofan on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Oh yeah, Karan, please, please clear up the gender issue.
    JFT64, loved the debate, hope it continues. Someone was exposed as the smug, “I’m always the smartest guy in the room”, amateur & fraud that he is.
    Get Gruden

  70. By worrell on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    I think the Jets should give Plax another chance, big receiver with super bowl experience, a goal line treat!!! it’s still early in the season maybe there’s a miracle somewhere on that team, oh could it be Tebo!! mr positive! hey why not, lets see how we fair Monday night then make that decision what do you have to lose! the season? oh come on that was a given anyway!!!!

  71. By JetBlue on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    NEW SUBJECT: I think we can all agree that Wesley Walker belongs in the Jets Ring of Honor. But how do we feel about Mark Gastineau. Yes, he was a dominating force as part of the NY Sack Exchange, and he was certainly one of the greatest defensive players this team has ever had. But, he was a jerk. The sack dance, the steroid use, the ego, the alienation of many teamates (Lyons, Klecko, et.al) caused by his me-first attitude. To this day I’ll always remember the game where he sacked a QB, causing a fumble, but he was too busy pounding his chest and doing his dance to realize that the ball was on the ground, right at his feet. Opposing offensive lineman recovered. Honor? Not so sure.

  72. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Kleckofan, I now Marks shortcomings & I know them well they have been talked about over & over & over again. On this site but posters like JetBlue & Chris Long Time fan will try to make you think that he is the only problem & that this team is loaded with talent. When that could not be further from the truth. Did Mark give up 245 yards rushing at home in 1 game? CMON MAN!

  73. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Yes JetBlue Mark Sanchez is the only problem with this team. The D is great thewy are #1 in the NFL vs the run. That 245 yards rushing they gave up the other day at home in 1 game was a misprint it was only 45. The D is also #1 in the NFL in sacks the fact that they have ZERO pass rush is a illusion. Shonne Greene is a stud with break away speed & is a great pass catcher Mark Sanchez is holding him down. Greene is not the worst starting running back in the NFL that must be a misprint on pro football focus. Our starting wr’s this week Kerley, Schiliens & Hill (not Steve Hill the Hill that we just picked up off of the scrap heap) They are all great they are the next Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson & James Jones of the Packers. Also Jeff

  74. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah, kleckofan, I don’t tell anyone how to vote or how I’m going to vote, but that debate was a bigger slaughter than the 49ers game. Maybe the president will come back with his game, something I wouldn’t bet on from Rex. Spicer, kleckofan nails it, though most everything you say about what Sanchez has had to face is true, what’s also true is that he really shows very little natural ability for the position. More like what we were told he was, a kid who was endlessly groomed by his family, Southern California, and seemingly all of Mexico to be a star NFL QB. Well, it’s not happening. Kleck, you’re also right about trades, none should be made, none will matter, this yr is just research for next yr in the absence of a miraculous turnaround.

  75. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Cumberland is the next Rob Gronkowski. Our team is loaded the only thing the is holding us back is Mark Sanchez besides him we have a all pro team.

  76. By JOE on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Jet Fans living in a FANTASYLAND please stop with the TRADE BALONEY .This is the NFL EVERY CONTENDER WAS BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP THROUGH THE DRAFT .The cornerstone of EACH CONTENDER BEING AN ELITE QB (TRADING FOR 35 YEAR OLD WASHED UP DIVA WRS is as much a waste of time -money as bringing TEBOW IN HERE ) When you MISS ON AS MANY DRAFT PICKS AS WE HAVE YOU PAY its that simple

  77. By GaryC on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Get Plastico, super bowl experience,first you have to get to the super bowl,He will already be collecting social security when jets get to super bowl.Get real jet fans,or undercover giant fans,don’t know which.

  78. By SCfromNY on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    kleckofan: loved your last post about Sanchez, I have saying it for years, and not getting any WRs. So many want Plax back. Well he was fantastic in the red zone BUT the team has to get to the red zone.Jerry Rice and Randy moss in their primes would not help a team with these #1 and #2 QBs. “Running game to set up pass” We have none 2.8yds per carry. “Pass to set up run” NEVER happen. Teams know Sanchez will melt under pressure and all the DL has to do is stand there and wait for Greene to bounce off and fall. Rex set everyone up to fail. Over hyping his players and gaurentees that many bought. Myself included. There is no way to fix this mess. The only way the Texans lose to the Jets is if don’t realize somewhere the Jets are a pro team.

  79. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Wow, I spoke to soon take a breath Spicer… Kellen Clemens, How’s he doing ? what does that have to do with the price of eggs . or any conversation anyone has had on this blog in three years. Well if you want my opinion on him ok here it is .. Him and Sanchez should become pen pals very soon. why you ask. I’ll tell you I believe they both should invest in a restaurant, car wash, maybe a Barber shop, because either one will ever become a Viable NFL QB

  80. By since shea on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Too many posts here about trade this guy, bench that one, play McElroy etc. We know there is no talent here at all. MS was never given a chance to succeed. He is not good enough to make everybody else better around him. He needed the supporting cast. But the same was true for Eli in his first three years. And PS, you will probably never see McElroy play, as a Jet anyway. Heard on the radio today… Is Flacco from Delaware that much better and talented than sanchez from USC? Or did Flacco get talent put around him to succeed! You want action? Hit Woody in the pocketbook! The PSL payment is due Nov 1. We as fans need to send a louder message than just venting on this blog.

  81. By Tom Spicer on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Since Shea, You make a excellent point & I will answer that question for you. If Mark Sanchez were on the Ravens. With Ray Rice, Aquan Bolden, Torrey Smith, those 2 (not 1 but 2) good TE’S Pitta & I forget the other guys name, that O line & THAT D! Right now we would be talking about how great he is. As for Flacco we would be talking about how we need to bench him for Tebow & how he is not the answer.

  82. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    kleckofan is right, Sanchez is the number one problem. It is true that he was given nothing to work with, but he has nothing at all to compensate. No leadership, and unable to make those around him better. He made mistakes last Sunday that had little or nothing to do with his lack of weapons.

    Bitter Blinka

  83. By scjoe on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spice, I know I am beginning to sound like a broken record, I think we all are in re: to MS. But let me say this, you are 1000% right that this club is loaded with problems, just about every position, BUT….. I have said this before, it is at that point when you need a QB who can carry a team. A QB who can at least sustain drives in order to keep the D off the field so it would be a little more difficult for the opposition to run through them for 250 yards. Five 3 and outs + 1- INT in a half just can not and will not get it done. That is on Sanchez more then any one else on the roster, as is his 49% completion percentage. Just no way to sugar coat it.

  84. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 4, 2012 | Reply

    This yr is Sanchez’s biggest chance to succeed, since shea. If he showed a lot in the face of all the team’s problems, you might say he’s the guy. If he just keeps on being one of the team’s biggest problems, it’s time to admit he’s not the guy.

  85. By chris long time jet fan on Oct 5, 2012 | Reply

    its a team sport the d can only beat its head against the wall for so long before it starts to hurt……minus the buffalo game how many 3 and outs do we have …the defensives blows are 54 seconds …minute 3 sec minute 8 sec….i know the pitt game we had 7 in the second half alone..CMON MAN LOL

  86. By paul on Oct 5, 2012 | Reply

    Johnson did not discuss yesterday where the team might play when its Giants Stadium lease runs out in 2008. ”If he develops a new stadium properly, the Jets could become the most valuable franchise in American sports,” said Marc Ganis, president of Sportscorp, a Chicago consulting firm. A new stadium, with a corporate name, 250 luxury suites selling for $200,000 each and 15,000 club seats costing $4,000 each, could generate more than $100 million annually. ”Every year he’s in Giants Stadium, the Jets lose $100 million a year,” Enough said Jets will never win a SB with this owner who only cares about making his pockets fatter. I will have to keep rooting for the G men even though I wish the Jets had all their sucesses.

  87. By PIEMAN on Oct 5, 2012 | Reply

    HEY KLECKOFAN , I agree with much that has been said on M.S. . however we need to go back to some old favorites
    2. tackle
    3. catch
    5.adjust game plan
    6.execute game plan
    7. stop the run
    8. sack the qb on a regular basis
    9. play like a mad man .
    10.maybe we need bath salts

  88. By GaryC on Oct 5, 2012 | Reply

    Jetfantom, why is this year sanchez’s biggest chance to succeed,Keller has been out all year,Greene still averages about two and a half yards per carry,o line is still garbage.I get your point,with nothing around him here is his chance to rise above the garbage.Their are only a couple of qbs in the league who can do that.

  89. By JetBlue on Oct 5, 2012 | Reply

    Spice: You obviously don’t read all of my posts – only the ones about MS. I watch the games. I’ve commented repeatedly about the poor defensive play, the lack of game planning. I live in MD and have seen Flacco play since his college days. He has grown as a QB and is still improving to a point where he is becomming one of the better QBs in the league. Sanchez is no Flacco and to compare the two is pointless. Answer me this: What does Sanchez do well? What contribution has he made to this offense? He was never NFL ready and is still a huge project. Is he the only problem? Certainly not. We still have a banker for a GM and a clueless head coach who have both let this team deteriorate to what is now a bad team with little talent.

  90. By GaryC on Oct 5, 2012 | Reply

    build an indoor arena and stadium,Islanders and Jets together,nirvana.

  91. By GaryC on Oct 5, 2012 | Reply

    to the anti sanchezites,one thing he does well, he answers the bell every game,a lot of jet quarterbacks could not say that.Give me Fabini,Thomas,Mwae,Jenkins and Mckenzie and Ryan Young.I believe Sanchez would be slightly better.

  92. By kleckofan on Oct 5, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t intend to make this the ongoing battle that you have w many on here; I won’t change your opinion and you won’t change mine. I don’t even like to watch Sanchez break the huddle and walk to the line of scrimmage anymore (that “aw shucks, woe is me , let’s try it again” walk and look). But Flacco is 6′ 6″, has a rocket arm, extends plays and is considered by many to be an “upper tier” QB. Even in our AFC champ runs, Sanchez was always considered to be a “Dilfer-esque game manager” No comparison.
    Get Gruden

  93. By kleckofan on Oct 5, 2012 | Reply

    Spice-one last Sanchez comment…the strongest evidence against you is that REX keeps saying the kid is an excellent QB, given Rex’s ability to judge talent that is the ultimate rebuke of your position.
    Get Gruden

  94. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 5, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I don’t mean it’s Sanchez’s biggest chance to succeed because he has the best personnel around him. I mean it’s his 4th yr, by which time the game should have seriously slowed down for him and routine problems, like injuries to key players and the need to work well with new ones, shouldn’t be so intimidating to him. But so far he looks worse than in any other yr and with notably better pass protection than last yr. So he needs to shine and show that he can rise above at least some of what he’s facing.

  95. By JOE on Oct 5, 2012 | Reply


  96. By sal cottone on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    We all have been here before, more times then any the other NY Teams maybe Rangers/Knicks. Unless this is a scrabble game and all the peices are there, meanining they just need to figure it out, rebuilding is the bottom line. last time Tuna came in and started with the Oline, This unit is alot better than the one Bill started with, Sanchez has talent, but his mind and heart is what I dont belive in. I think Woody is going to make a hard run at Cowher and other high profile proven football people, has no choice, cant do much with players cap wise, just wish it wasnt so early in the season, messed my world up. With that said I know 85,burris ,owens wont win anything, but it would be worth watching, instead of this!!

  97. By sal cottone on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    Dont belive the sky is falling??? Like ur optimism, but this is my 40th year watching this team..It fell Frank. In the worst possible way, until they prove different, No need to go into everything just 2 points to make.
    1. With no run game, With ok pass prorection , the recivers arnt on the same page as the QB 1/4 way into the season, big problem.

    2. The Defence, not good and the only thing I will point out is they lost theiir identity, the rest speaks for itself,and the D is alll on Rex

    Sorry Frank, seen this movie too many times. rex and co. had thier run, and they know it!!

  98. By jets80 on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    You all said it all before me. Same Old Jets!!! They just can’t get it right!!! Time to move on to younger players to see who we should keep for the future. Let them play and see if the PLAY JETS FOOTBALL, whatever that means.
    First, let’s get over MS. TT and McElroy should be given as much time as needed to show if they can win games. We don’t want a high pick in the draft because we all know they will pick the wrong player again.
    Second, Rex, let’s send the house at the opposing QB. Get those fast speed rushers in the game to get other QB to make the mistakes MS makes as he is running for his life.
    Third, let’s get the ground and pound going. if we can run ball we can stay in games. Powell is the guy.

  99. By chris long time jet fan on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    the players just dont repect mark ..he the teachers pet…..

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