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STS*: Demario Davis Making Rapid Progress

Posted by Randy Lange on October 6, 2012 – 9:18 am

Updated, 4:20 p.m. ET

Demario Davis was drafted in this year’s third round for, among other attributes, his speed. That speed is starting to show up on defense, but it has been very much in evidence on special teams, especially during Sunday’s otherwise downer of a loss to the 49ers.

“The main thing about special teams is just to play fast and play physical,” said Davis this week. “You do that, you’re going to always be successful.”

Success was essential against the Niners’ always formidable return man, Ted Ginn — “He’s about as good as they come,” said fellow ST contributor Nick Bellore.

Ginn’s numbers were OK, four returns for 40 yards, but consider that he had only 20 yards on his first six punts (three returns, three fair catches).

Ginn (who we all remember had two kickoff-return touchdowns in a 7:01 third-quarter span of the Jets’ 2009 home loss to the Dolphins) had trouble getting traction. His second return was wiped out because Davis had beaten third-year Niner Anthony Dixon down the field and got shoved in the back, drawing his first penalty as a pro.

Then in the third quarter, Ginn took a Robert Malone punt to the right side of the field and headed parallel near the midfield stripe, looking dangerously as if he was about to turn it up into a bigtime return.

No dice. Davis flew past Dixon again and this time nailed Ginn by the ankles after a gain of only a yard.

The Niners’ final return was his best of the day, after the game was no longer in doubt, a 20-yarder, which nevertheless at the end of which he fumbled (Dixon recovered) when swarmed over by the pursuing Jets cover team. Needless to say, No. 56 was among the pursuers.

Davis played specials at Arkansas State and always took pride in it there. Up here there is no dropoff in his preparation and his impact. During the week he said, “Coach always says, ‘What are they saying about you in their meetings?’ I’d like to think they would say about our teams that maybe I’m one of the top guys.”

And then during the game, he said of the grading system of Mike Westhoff and other teams coaches, “Special teams is easy. There’s a man in front of you. One of you guys is going to get a plus and one of you guys is going to get a minus. At the end of the day, I want to finish the game with all pluses.”

Davis said just as at ASU, he’s playing on most of the Jets’ units — right guard on punt and kickoff cover, “anywhere” or “all over” on punt and kickoff return.

The Jets’ special units would have had a really nice day against San Fran except for  one little glitch, the blocked punt that produced the visitors’ final touchdown. Davis knows that such a mistake could be the fatal difference for the Jets before Monday’s national audience. He knows that a Jets triumph will likely be built with the help of a special teams effort against Texans returner Trindon Holliday, punter Donnie Jones and kicker Shayne Graham.

“It’s definitely an important phase of the game that we feel like we have to win,” Davis said. “We’re just going to go out and try to execute our job. And if we do that we’ll be successful.”

Saturday Injury Reports

There was no great news and little change on the injury front following the Jets’ Saturday practice at the Atlantic Health Training Center.

Five players didn’t participate in today’s practice and four are listed as doubtful for the Texans: FB John Conner (hamstring), WR Stephen Hill (hamstring), TE Dustin Keller (hamstring) and NT Sione Po‘uha (low back). The fifth DNP, LB Bryan Thomas (hamstring), is listed as questionable, as are LB Bart Scott (toe), S Eric Smith (hip/knee), RB-KR Joe McKnight (illness), and newly signed CB Aaron Berry (ribs).

The 14 other players on the list all practiced full and are probable for the Monday night affair.

Houston’s injured players, meanwhile, appeared to make strides toward better health as 15 of the 17 players on their I-report practiced full and 14 of them are probable, including WR Andre Johnson (groin), RB Arian Foster (hamstring), TE Owen Daniels, and the three starting interior O-linemen, C Chris Myers (back), G Antoine Caldwell (ankle/knee) and G Wade Smith (knee).

LB Ben Tate (toe) is questionable for the game, and S Quintin Demps (thumb/forearm) and WR Lestar Jean (knee) have been declared out by head coach Gary Kubiak.

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65 Responses to “STS*: Demario Davis Making Rapid Progress”

  1. By GaryC on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    I guess the jets have no other choice,but you talk about a physical mismatch,Cromartie against Andre Johnson.Like Andre the Giant against Chuck Wepner.

  2. By Charliejet on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    Here we go ! Another great, awesome player that we will never see play or developed just waisting away. I know “making progress” ,” coming along ahead of schedule”., yada, yada, yada….. NO PLAYER DEVELOPMENT. Start some spot duty more and more and start phasing out old, slow players on defense will ya!!

  3. By kw65Fan on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    He should be starting at LB. Yes he is fast and quick on his feet. Time to stop with the golden oldies who will NOT be here at all next year on the roster at the LB position. The man is deveoping into a beast and along with Harris in the middle, they will plug up the run game in the middle and any passes in the flat.

  4. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    Demario Davis is a bright side, Couples is a bright side. White has speed. TT has power and can block but he is totally useless in the position he is playing. Make him a RB. I am no longer a believer in MS. IF MS can not move the team against Houston 1/2 way through the 1st quarter, it’s time for a change… Can MaClroy do any worse.

  5. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    “The Jets have a poor roster when you look at it,” said former Jets wideout Keyshawn Johnson, an ESPN analyst who played four seasons in New York. “The talent is suspect. There’s only about eight guys who I think could start on another NFL team.” This is what I meant a few months ago when I said we should keep about 15-20 players and lose the rest, completely overhauling the roster. Guys like Davis should start this yr so we can see what we’ve got at LB and unload the old guys in the off-season.

  6. By scjoe on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    I remember the plays Davis made on STs quite vividly. The speed showed up in real time. The thing is everyone, including myself, would like to see that speed and instinct show up in the base defense, not just STs. No doubt, STs are a large part of the game, but covering backs and TEs and pursuing the same in the base defense is much larger. Hopefully, we see it beginning this week vs Houston.

  7. By sal cottone on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    Scary thought, Randy what does Revis have left on his contract/obligation left with the Jets?

  8. By Viveca on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    I like to see the young guys play. The old guys have proven that they are too slow.Page and Scott will not be there next year. Also give some players like A. Allen, and Dowtin on the ps a chance.We’re not a playoff team, and still we’re the only team that never or very seldom plays our rookies? At this point what do we’ve to lose? I can see Tebow at fullback. Get something out of him, or why drafting him?

  9. By harry-o on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    use this season as a pre season
    play all the young talent
    on the job training lets say
    play everyone
    and not just for 1-2 plays
    throw everything out there and see what sticks

  10. By SCfromNY on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    Davis can tackle and has speed. Scott has neither. Who is playing? I understand that some positions take a long time to learn. Well maybe just on the Jets. What can we lose by playing him?

  11. By Jack on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    Play Davis traded Scott or Mclntyre, Trades for DB, Darren McFadden or RB, DeMarco Murray.

  12. By Jersey Joe on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    Randy – do the beat writers ask the Jets coaches why Davis isn’t either starting or playing significantly more snaps? Why did they not draft anyone to replace Pace and Thomas. AND Is it as obvious to the coaches (as it is to virtually anybody watching the games) that the 4 starting LB’s don’t have the speed needed to make plays anymore. I said here in the preseason that if Rex trots out Thomas, Pace, Scott and Harris as his LB’s were dead in the water. You can get away with one slower run stuffing backer but not 4 in this pass heavy league. Thanks for the great piece on Davis though,he sounds like a keeper.

  13. By Viveca on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    Still don’t understand why our third round draft pick is only playing special team.
    Low draft picks from other teams contribute, and at times starring. Why does that never happens with the Jets. I can’t believe our picks are that much worse. Maybe it all comes down to coaching and developing?

  14. By Jersey Joe on Oct 6, 2012 | Reply

    I know my fellow long suffering Jet fans will understand this comment – Eric Smith was also a good STS player but… it simply doesn’t translate to the D! Fact is many players over the years made a living on STS and never became a starter. Is Rex’s defense so ridiculously complicated that the players we draft just never fully grasp it hence, they look slow because they’re THINKING too much instead of just playing football? What good does it do em to have a defensive scheme that takes a player 3-5 years to actually learn and know his role ? Remember the chaos against NE when Leonhard was out – Ryan made a point of stating how devastating it was losing the QB of the D. drafting and developing talent is NOT one of Rex’s strengths!

  15. By jets80 on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    Let’s go with all our speed guys!! Old slow players are lacking the ability to play NFL football now!! Against Texans let’s let it all hang out or it will be a long nite. Time to see how younger players play as the season is already lost so let’s look towards the future and see who we can build on. Rex has one more season after this unless things turn around. McElroy and Tebow deserve a shot unles MS starts to show he is an NFL QB!!

  16. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    I hear everyone touting D-Davis, he has speed he has this has that, I’m in agreement if he’s as good as everyone believes get him in , But, call me negative like J McKnight why can’t he break into a starting role .I will again say no NFL coach misses talent for that long,somethings amiss with him , Next point, everyone keeps complaining about our LB’s, yes they’re old lost a step or two, What most aren’t taking into account if our offence scored a TD or two you would see a big improvement with these guys Old slow whatever they would contend

  17. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    There was an article in the News-Press today saying TT is going to break loose Monday. This I have to see… Where are they going to place him. I agree play our draft picks. Put Maclroy in. I have a feeling we may score..

  18. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    Where have all you guys been on playing the young players? Me, scjoe, GaryC, and Arte have been all over this issue literally for yrs, but there’s been almost no support for playing any rookie but Sanchez on this site for the most part. I still get a huge kick out that fool a few years ago — apparently he doesn’t post here any longer — who freaked out about the possibility of playing Greene, or as he put it, “playing A ROOKIE with our season on the line!” Same Old Loser Jet Fans get the same old slow, entitled, overpaid team. And let’s stop talking about Harris, who’s pretty good and no more, as if he’s the second coming of Bobby Bell.

  19. By Jersey Joe on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    They need 2 elite Pass rushers, 3 fast hard hitting LB’s, Ball hawk Safety, 2 huge pass/run blocking guards. (unless you’re satisfied with Slauson/Moore) Then we have to hope/pray Revis comes back 100% – I can’t think of any position that puts MORE stress on the ACL than CB. I’m done with Holmes, after his hissy-fit meltdown last year then throwing the ball to the Niners in frustration when he got injured, everything about this guy says “I’m a self absorbed Diva and I don’t care about Team wins, it’s all about ME” He built a reputation around ONE great catch in the Super Bowl – so did David Tyree, who then faded into obscurity and wisely retired. Well, that’s about 12 players we need to compete for a SB – about 12 years of Jet drafts

  20. By sal cottone on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    History shows anytime a player is “developin” or making “progress” will not play here. The first test was Gholston, were is that #1 pick anyway?

  21. By GaryC on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    Kudos,jet fan tom on the overvaluing of David Harris,Demeco Ryans,Patrick Willis,Jon Beason are just three off the top of my head who are way better,He is good but not exactly pro bowl material.

  22. By GaryC on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    watching the colts today even this game won’t be easy for the jets,their running better,pressured Rodgers getting five sacks,Luck can get out of the pocket and with our linebackers that’s disaster and Reggie Wayne is turning back the clock looking young and spry and their two rookie tightends Fleener and Allen could also give the jets fits.

  23. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    That’s a very realistic run-down of Jet needs, Jersey Joe, which is precisely why I say we have nothing to lose by getting rid of both Sanchez and Tebow, trading Revis and Holmes, letting Greene and Keller go as free agents, and playing every rookie or young guy non-stop this yr as soon as we’re mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. For the truth is until we get the 12 guys we need — and you DIDN’T even list an elite QB! — we can forget about ourselves as even a habitual playoff contender, much less a SB candidate. Which is also why a Woody sale of the team and a move to our our own stadium somewhere in NEW YORK, like the name of the team, is the best long-term plan as well.

  24. By scjoe on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    Jersey Joe, I think you are being generous in the fact this Jet team is about 12 players away from being competitive. Lets take a look around the starting line up and pick out the players that could and would start on “most” other NFL teams. I have Brick, Mangold “maybe” Moore and Keller on offense. On D I have DR, Cro, Landry, Harris, and “maybe” Wilkerson, Pouha, and Maybin in the right situation.The other 40 or 41? I think would be hard pressed to start on all but a few teams, if that. I know a guy like Fla Pete would dispute this, although I can’t imagine how or why. That said, it begs the question where is Davis, Ellis, Harrison, Mauga, McIntyre, Coples, McElroy??? Could they possibly be worse?

  25. By TONY GARCIA on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    JET FAN since 1969. I like the idea play the young guys see what they can do.
    ALSO let MCelroy play.I never liked Q.B.’S from USC. overrated.

  26. By Montana Pete on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    Ive got an idea,lets get rid of Braylon Edwards,Leon Washington,Danny Woodhead,Victor Cruz,and lets see if we can replace them with better players……..come on really.Ive been a Jets fan forever but some of these calls are off the charts.

  27. By Frank Verde on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    I’m trying to grasp the logic of “Let’s throw the college guys on the field and see what they can do.” We got to 2 AFC title games with Rex’s complicated multi-package/multi-look schemes. Q and Ellis are being integrated at a decent pace. The LB position is more sophisticated. So, we dumb down the defense, let the young guys play, and prove what? If they’re going to succeed, they have to be able to execute actual NFL schemes or we should send them back to college. We already know they have the physical skills. Give them some time to demonstrate they have the brains to play NFL football.

  28. By maryk on Oct 7, 2012 | Reply

    hopefully last week’s effort was the low point and not indicitive of this team’s true capability and ability-the defense can’t seem to stop the run-shonn greene is not a bell cow and needs to be benched + brought in in the 2nd half just like when he backed up thomas jones–how much worse cud the passing game be with tebow(yikes!) or mcelroy(gasp!)–where are the qb sacks and the blitzes that disrupt the opposing offenses?why is sanchez still not protecting the ball and not stepping up in the pocket or out of the pocket to create passing lanes for himself–does rex ryan have a clue?why is almost every other team, even with rookie QBs, able to throw it all over the field?why do we look “grounded and pounded”?why do i still bleed green+white?

  29. By IRA on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Yes davis is starting to make his presence felt on ST’s but i would like to see him get some reps with the D. They need to make that LB group faster or they will struggle all year stopping the run. Davis can fill those running lanes a lot faster. Time to give him a shot.
    Man Woodhead looked very good yesterday still cant’t believe the Jets couldn’t find a way to make use of his talents.
    Lets see what type of pride the Jets have tonight. I think the D will hang in there and make this a ball game. If the offense can’t muster up any long drives and score a few points then oh well get ready for Luck and the Colts.
    GO JETS!!!!

  30. By GaryC on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    JetFanTom,did you get a chance to see your guy cam the sham at your local watering hole yesterday,Looking a little Ryan Leaflike.Threw a mortar into the ground with a wide open Hartsock which would of won them the game.Not looking good for the playoffs for the second straight year.7-14 record as a starter so far,can only think what you would say if that was Sanchez’s record.Looking more like Jamarcus Russell then Johnny Unitas.

  31. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    ’64 Tom

    Woody sale of the team? Why do you tease me?
    If it was Woody’s idea to trade for TT, then he deserves to lose.

    Sincerely,
    Bitter Blinka

  32. By GaryC on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    For the second straight week Lance Briggs returns a touchdown pass for a touchdown,could never say that about the Jet Linebackers.

  33. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Tonight is going to be another biting the nails situation watching the “Jets”. I don’t know what the OC and HC have in mind for tonight against “Houston” but I sure hope it is a better plan then last weeks disaster. So being true to the “JET FAN THAT I AM, I WILL SAY ONCE AGAIN”… “LETS GO JETS”.

  34. By SCfromNY on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    I spent Sunday watching other teams succeed with rookies, mid draft picks, and free agents. Anyone watch NE? Young players doing well and playing FAST. That O will kill the Jets D. If they looked tired against the 49ers what will our old and slow players look like against a quick O? Most here are for playing young players, some are not. Smart money would make that decision after the game tonight or perhaps unfortunately at halftime. The Jets have too much money tied up in too few players that they are stuck with. Who could you trade Scott, Holmes, or even Sanchez to? The Colts with a gutted roster beat the Pack, Maimi with a WR challenged O and rookie QB beat the playoff caliber Bengals, and the Vikings picked by NO ONE to win are in 1rst.

  35. By SCfromNY on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    In case you are looking for a common factor in these winning teams here is what it is not: None of the teams have a group of elite WRs. Not saying a good WR here and there but no group like NE, Packers, or Giants. They don’t have a lot of old overpaid players past their prime. There is not what is considered elite coaches. What the winners do have in common is players with pride and desire. A rookie or second year QB who keeps them in games by performing as a QB should who do not have a “I’ll have to play better” news conference every week. Even next year we will be stuck with too many ols slow players. A smart team will look to a restructer this year and next hoping to field a playoff caliber team in 2014 when BTW the SB will be in NY.

  36. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Some good logic from a few, some not so good in my opinion, Like a new Stadium, first it will take 4-5 years from it’s inception to completion.. Second how would it change 43 years we’ve changed owners Gm, Countless couches, Tried every formula except a winning one, Last but not least, when we started looking like a football team for a short while Giants became little brother for that short while.. Each week our all ready new Stadium becomes Green and white for Jet fans, next week becomes Blue and white for Giant fans.. Won’t change anything until we change this system

  37. By Pete from Section 128 on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Nice that an entire article is about our 3rd round draft pick and his contribution to special teams. THE GUY IS A 3RD ROUND PICK!!! HE SHOULD BE ON THE FIELD. This team is off the rails for a variety of reasons. The defense is not nearly as good as advertised, the offense just stinks. Tanenbaum has put together a shell of a team, one with absoluteluy no depth, and the blame lies at his feet. we have no pass rush, no ability to give Sanchez any time to make a play, no playmakers at all, and 1/2 the team has hamstring injuries.

  38. By Ablity on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Antoino Cro is having a great season a cornerback that nobody is talking about. Brain Hartline had one catch against Cro, 100 yrd game the week before, and 200 yrd the game after, Our corners and pass defense is not bad at all, We have to be the worst rush defense in leauge, and I think i know why…

  39. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    I agree in playing the younger players if we lose tonight. I know Johnson is out delegating for his canidate and the remark he made in some ways was outstanding based on the next Pres., But Mr. Johnson don’t you feel it’s time to look at the team as whole and try and fix it? Sanchez is not the answer, TT is not the answer, Grrene is definitly not the answer and I am starting to feel this coaching staff is not the answer. You stated you would rather see a losing team then have a certain party in the WH. How about the loyal fans who deserve better then this. The loyal fans that come to very game and travel for games. You can fix this and still do your thing with politics.

  40. By scjoe on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Frank Verde, I would have trouble grasping the logic of having the younger guys play as well, IF, the older slower guys we have starting now were actually competing on the playing field. They are not! The season is moving along pretty quickly, when is a good time to evaluate what the younger players can do? The analogy I always like to use is, “can they possibly do any worse” take a close look at the 2 losses this team has, do you feel the older slower guys competed in those games? Heck, even some of the younger guys who made cameo’s didn’t compete, so what is the answer?

  41. By scjoe on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    MJV, great point about the stadium. I would say this, the Giants are sharing that stadium as well as the Jets are, has it impeded their progress and their success in any way shape or form? No! Why? Because it has absolutely, positively, nothing to do with what goes on on game day. The things that DO have something to do with it (players, coaching, and FO direction) are the problem, NOT the stadium.

  42. By scjoe on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Florida Pete and the almost forgotten CJF, here is something to think about. With all the “negativity” (or reality) which ever phrase you choose to use, going on among most Jet fans, maybe, just maybe it will inspire the Jets in such a way in tonight’s game that they may actually compete, put up a fight, maybe even win. If that becomes the case, you, and the few other “real” Jet fans would have the masses to thank. Just saying.

  43. By Jersey Joe on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks 64TOM – The first part of my comment did not post where I listed Elite QB and game-breaking RB. I like Keller but when compared to the top 10 TE’s he can’t block, has average speed/cutting ability and is undersized so I think the Jets need another 6’5″ athletic blocking/pass catching TE. Frank Verde to your point – I’m not saying simply throw the rookies out there to the wolves before they’re fully ready. It looks to me like the Ryan defense emphasizes players reading the play, then realizing what their responsibility is. Jet defenders give up big plays while thinking “OK lets see do I cover the RB or the TE, or should I rush the QB etc” Do you think it’s possible we overrated Rex a bit ? Was Baltimore Ryan’s D or GREAT PLAYERS?

  44. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Right back at ya on Harris, GaryC! As for Newton yesterday, yes, I admit, he tuned in an eminently Sanchez-like performance. Blinka, all great movements start with an idea in the face of impossible odds, and the Jets moving back to New York and being run by a FO that cares about winning more than headlines would be the greatest movement in New York sports in decades. Frank Verde, I admit I’d wait until we’re out of the playoffs to unload the bench but if you think we’re seriously going to be in the playoffs this yr, I’d like to hear the logic in THAT! And yes, GaryC, the first thought I had yesterday was not about Newton but Luck and the Colts, who pulled off a win our sorry team would be hard-pressed to equal.

  45. By GaryC on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    scrap this 3-4 next year and have Coples,Ellis,Harrison and Wilkerson as your front four,Davis as your weakside linebacker to take advantage of his speed,Harris in the Middle and McIntyre as your strongside backer unless Sapp shows something.Sione and DeVito are just run pluggers anyway,you can live with them coming off the bench.Less linebackers on the field for the jets,the better off they are.

  46. By Jersey Joe on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah- the Stadium deal has always been bizarre to the rest of the country. Out in Michigan for 20 years, friends asked me “Joe, don’t you thinks NFL teams come in thinking.. OK this is Giants stadium, they’re pretty good but – today we’re playing the junior varsity? It makes the Jets seem like a laughing-stock franchise and based upon history since they left Shea it’s tough to argue. Recently the owner Woody showed his cards – the Jets appear to be little more than an investment to Johnson. I was STUNNED when it was announced that the Jets would (once again) be the freckle-faced little red-headed step sister, sort of minor league NFL-Junior team which the Super Bowl Champion Giants were gracious enough to allow to play in their house!

  47. By Karan on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t embarrass yourselves Monday Night Jets. Start Powell, use McKnight as the 3rd down back and receiver during times, use Tim Tebow as a weapon for MS. Keep Kerley off punts to avoid injury, have Cumberland play smarter. Use Schilens as much as you can. Asking for a lot, but this could give us a shot at maybe winning. I know probably none of these things I’ve mentioned the Jets will use.

  48. By Karan on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Holmes out, you need experience, Jason Hill’s the best you can get? I hear the Jets are looking for their “Victor Cruz” with this roster of WRs. Good luck with that. Sign T.O., Plax or I can’t believe I’m going to say it, but even Chad Johnson. At least one of these fellas, I personally think T.O. will give you the most of these guys. Ya need experience, doesn’t matter how old by this point because you guys should be desperate. Plax has slowed down but honestly, T.O. has still got it I believe, give the guy a chance.

  49. By Karan on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    It seems like the Jets are always hyped up after a huge loss and their going to come out smoking and pounce the next opponent. We’re not buying it anymore. We’ll believe it when we see it. Rex is right, no one feels bad for the Jets, not even your fans. You put yourselves in this position, said you could do it, talked a big game, but delivered nothing. PROVE US WRONG, I WANT YOU TO. SHUT THE DOUBTERS UP, INCLUDING ME. PROVE US WRONG GANG GREEN, GO OUT THERE WITH THE WHOLE NATION WATCHING AND DELIVER. BE SMART.

  50. By kleckofan on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    SCNY- absolutely agree w your analysis of other teams’ successes. It kills me to watch all the young talent elsewhere. Gotta be Tanny. The most important position in an organization, GM, is our weakest link.
    Mike Jet Vet- how can you say “no NFL coach misses talent for that long”? Have you not watched the Gholston experiment? The Sanchez experiment? Have you not seen the talent shipped off to other places to succeed while we hold on to dinosaurs? Yes, there is a HC who misses talent for that long…and a GM…and an owner…and many delusional fans….
    Why does it seem to be so much more acceptable in baseball to play the young guys? The A’s are doing it, the O’s are doing it and w less success (but w fan approval) the Mets are doing it.

  51. By harry-o on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    the numbers don’t lie
    jets are certainly out ranked tonight … by a ton
    even if losing is inevitable , the team can still improve
    miami gets better every week
    with a third of season upon us it’s time to gel
    and do something the next five games

  52. By since shea on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Woody is not selling this team. But he must move in on the GM assuming he is either the driver behind the poor decision making or is too passive about bad decisions being made. Example: Rex wants high draft picks for defense, never really replenishing the offense. GM is indifferent and allows it. Somebody wants Tebow and nobody has nerve to shoot the idea down. Little to no talent at skilled positions from poor draft choices. Coples, Demario, McKnight (thought to be highly talented) hardly play except for special teams. Nobody seems to develop. Become a Jet and you become irrelevant? Its a system that must be gutted. Bring in Gruden like Denver brought in Elway. Let him reshape this thing the right way. And Woody, PSL payments are due Nov 1

  53. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    64, I am most heartedly offended! I was left off your list of playing the younger players? Dude, I have been more vociferous than anyone here(in my more brief time with you guys on 1 getting rid of Tanney & 2-playing the younger players. i have sais all along that Pace,Thomas and Scott have been killing us for the last two years.JET FAN64 FRANK, I dont know if you wanna put to much stock in playing Coples, as to date he is reminding people a lot of Vernon Gholston as another Tanney bust! He has two tackles in 4 games and is a dog in practice.S.C Joe & 64
    are so right about this roster which I have questioned since the strike ended last year.

  54. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    As for Miami, the Colts, The Vikings, Buffalo, the 49’rs, etc.., they are being rebuilt with younger players and are starting to play very well. RON, sorry I left you off the list (lol) on young players. The Jets have some good young players and they should be used. especially if we lose. Look at some of the players the coaching staff let slip through there fingers, for one, Marquice Cole, he is doing great with NE. The Jets let so many good young players go for other team rejects. YOUTH builds a team. BUT, today is Monday the Texans are in town I go along with TOM, KAREN and RON. Lets end the hype. “LETS GO JETS”…Please surprise us….

  55. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry for leaving you off that list, RON A, and to anyone else who’s often advocated going with the young guys. Actually, with so many people saying that now, it’s harder and harder to keep track!

  56. By kleckofan on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    I could write something intuitive, interesting and valuable to the conversation, but I’m more interested in the Vice Presidential Debate tomorrow. How do you like them apples, Woody?
    Get Gruden, return our team to NYC

  57. By Jake on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t agree on Harris. Yes alot of players on this roster have to go, they are busts or shadows of what they used to be. However, I will not join in on this attack on Harris. The guy comes to play each week and one of the classiest acts on this team. There are alot of guys I would start to turn on before David Harris. Remember we let Vilma go because of the play of Harris. Is it poor play or is it the system that he plays in that sets him up for failure. My opinion,lay off of Harris for now.

  58. By Charliejet on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, RON ALEXANDER, SJOE, GARY C, ARTY et al. Yes to give credit where it is due… Jets do indeed need to use fresh blood, faster stronger and maybe most important hungry players with something to prove. I am sick and tired of hearing from the powers that be, how great a draft pick is, then release or not develop
    those same draft choices is NUTS! So Tom, Ron,sjoe,gary,arty you have every right to vent with “I told you so”!

  59. By Frank Verde on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe, the young players are being evaluated every practice (even McElroy). As they progress, they’ll contribute (as Maybin did last year). I know frustration. I remember hoping a few more td bombs to Rich Caster would put us back in the mix or thinking, “If Chad could throw a laser, maybe that critical pass wouldn’t have been intercepted. But, the Jets of ’69-2008 aren’t relevant to the 2012 Jets. That’s 40 years of baggage relegated to memories. ‘ 64 Tom is correct that the Jets are rebuilding. The Burress/Mason fiasco was the final epiphany. The Jets had unrealistic expectations for them and it cost them the playoffs. The answer is Rex’s new mantra: younger, stronger and faster. It will happen. But, the injuries. That’s tough.

  60. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Jake, I don’t say Harris is bad, just overrated due to his lack of speed and pass coverage skill at a time when LBs need to play more like SS’s did 20 yrs ago. Frank V, glad you agree about rebuilding, which is why we should eventually play everyone this yr, Tebow, McElroy, or whoever. Sanchez is having another typical Sanchez game tonight — some bright moments, some horrendous mistakes, and in general nothing like what you expect of a 4th-yr guy who was a #5 pick, and it’s time at least to find out if he’s going to be handed the job next yr, have to fight for it, or be traded. We can’t assess Tebow or McElroy if they never get any meaningful snaps at QB, but I guess Mr T and Rex sense that to admit failure on MS is to ask to be fired.

  61. By scjoe on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Frank Verde, you make some valid points, but let me ask you this, how is a guy like McElroy being evaluated in practice when he almost never gets any reps with the 1s? I don’t know the length of his contract, but I think it would be a safe bet to say he will never be given an opportunity to see how he can perform in real time with the starters before that contract expires and he is off to a team that will give him that opportunity (Woodhead?) He has the intangibles to play the position, all he needs is the opportunity, and it’s not as if the 2 guys ahead of him on the depth chart are lighten it up. So where is the down side?

  62. By scjoe on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    I would just like to say this about “rebuilding” In today’s NFL. With the draft, and free agency, specifically undrafted FAs out of school, couldn’t one make the argument EVERY team rebuilds EVERY year? I don’t know the exact statistics, but I think it is safe to assume that almost every roster turns over by approximately 25% every year. That is the nature of the business. Do the math, with 25% being about 12-14 players, and factoring in about 15-17 draft picks and undrafted FAs each year, you are basically rebuilding every year. It is the teams that draft poorly that rebuild more often and in larger doses.

  63. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    FRANK VERDE, you make some compelling arguments here when you post so I give you just props! However, I gotta go with my boy S.C.J on playing the young bloods here.We have a couple of young L.B’s Maybin & Davis who are spending way too much time on the bench behind Pace and Thomas who spend 99% of their playing time vainley chasing opponents or worse yet pick’n themselves off the groung after getting pancaked! I dont believe any of the guys who post here believe we are a playoff team at this point, and as neither Pace or B.T figure into the teams long range plans why not cut them loose and start Maybin & Davis & bring Marcus Dowtin and Riky sapp off the pracrtice squad as back ups and special teams guys?

  64. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    RON, I agree with you on playing L.B’s Maybin & Davis, and bringing Marcus Dowtin and Ricky Sapp off the practice squad. I am one of the fans that as much as I hate to say it, the Jets are not a playoff team. If it wasn’t for Knight’s 100 yard run back the score would have been 24 – 10. Once again interceptions doomed us along with not being able to stop the run. . MS gave it his best effort and I feel the defense played a little bit better. But once again we lost against a good team. Luck and company come to town next week and the way Luck and the rest of the Colts are playing with 9 rookies on offense and several on defense these rookies keep getting better each week. So yes it is time to play our young players…

  65. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    FRANK 64, Yeah, I was one of the optimists this off season too. But it became pretty obvious to all of us during the pre-season that this team was over-rated at best! If it looks like a duck-walks like a duck,and quacks like a duck, it is what it is, a duck! But i do believe this is an excellent opportunity to gauge where some of these younger players fit in for the future. The problem is like Tom64 i just dont believe Rex’s ego will allow him to acknowledge this is not our year and that he will continue to play the fossils in a vain attempt to prove himself right?

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