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Jets-Texans: First-Half Tweets

Posted by Randy Lange on October 8, 2012 – 10:15 pm

Here are our first-half tweets for tonight’s Jets-Texans game at MetLife Stadium, in case you missed them on Twitter. Follow Bob Wischusen, Eric Allen and me for our tweets during each Jets game on https://twitter.com/nyjets.

#RL Jets are 2-3 on MNF, 7-6 in all primetime games under Rex Ryan since 2009. Jets are 8-12 on ESPN since first appearance in 1989.

#RL Lex Hilliard makes the tackle on HOU KOR Trindon Holliday in his first play as a New York Jet.

#RL Houston joins Miami as 2 opponents to score TDs on their opening drives vs. the Jets this season.

#RL Jets defense comes up with big effort on Drive No. 2, forcing a 3-and-out, their 11th 3-and-out of the season.

#RL CB Antonio Cromartie, on WR Andre Johnson deep, picks off Matt Schaub for his 2nd INT of the season. Only 3rd giveaway of yr for HOU.

#RL Mark Sanchez to Jeff Cumberland, 27-yd TD. Only Jets’ 2nd TD in last 37 drives since opening with TD @ PIT in Game 2.

#RL It’s also the Jets’ first 1st Qtr TD in 6 games vs HOU (15 drives, 1 TD, 4 FGs, 10 punts, 9 three-and-outs)

#RL Fourth-and-2-inches at Jets 25. Tim Tebow, personal protector, makes it 2-for-2 on fake punt runs with 3-yard gain.

#RL Tebow at QB 1st 2 plays this drive, first time he’s had 2 plays in a row at QB on same drive for Jets. TT carries 3 yds, Bilal Powell 3.

#RL With Mark Sanchez keeper, Jets have converted 2 fourth-downs in a game for first time since 2010 AFC title game @ PIT.

#RL Texans LB Brian Cushing (left knee) return to this game is questionable.

#RL Jets still haven’t sacked Matt Schaub but they’re getting pressure, force Texan QB incompletion on 3rd down. HOU now 2-for-6 on 3D.

#RL Lex Hilliard continues to make plays in his Jets debut–recovers Sanchez strip sack, takes it 15 yds at 2-minute warning.

#RL CB Brice McCain picks off tipped red zone pass, deflected by J.J. Watt, returns 86 yds to Jets 9. Bilal Powell pursuit prevents TD.

#RL McCain 86-yd INT-return was longest by Jets opponent since Darren Sharper went 99 yds for TD with Sanchez INT @ NO in 2009.

#RL For 2nd straight week, Sanchez tipped INT before half results in opponents’ FG. Texans lead 17-7 at half, lead in yards (246-166).

#RL Texans, who came in 4-0, have not trailed in the 2nd half in their 5 games so far this season.

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124 Responses to “Jets-Texans: First-Half Tweets”

  1. By Jake on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    some one needs to tell sparano not to make huge line shifts while we have momentum after big plays. This is insanity

  2. By Jake on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    This was not Sanchez’s fault. Sanchez played his heart out, he left it all on the field. Please remember that when you go to trash him and the team after this game.

  3. By Karan on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    I thank the lord Nick Mangold is ok. That was quite a scare.

  4. By Karan on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Dang it Mark, it is so hard to defend you when you play like this. If Tebow is getting hot especially near the goal line, leave him in. Mark made some nice plays tonight, but made more bad ones than good ones, it would certainly help if we had any receivers who can catch the darn ball with the exception of Kerley. Kerleys the man, the rest of you receivers: nope.

  5. By Karan on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    But honestly what I saw on the field tonight and I hate saying this is that Mark Sanchez has lost his confidence. It falls on him because he needs to make better plays, but it also falls on Mike Tannenbaum and Woody Johnson for giving the guy receivers who have butterfingers 75% of the time.

  6. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Not bad given how much better, and healthier, HOU is than us. But at the end of the day, it was only McKnight’s KO TD that got us back in the game since Sanchez was the same QB we’ve seen too often for 4 yrs — effective at times, brilliant here and there, generally inadequate when it really counts. The two picks were CLASSIC Sanchez mistakes and there’s no way to blame the OL or the neophyte WRs for them. This doesn’t bother me as much as a blowout, though, because my belief is MS should get the whole yr until we’re out of the playoffs, then we should play the other QBs and everybody else, then next yr get serious about where this team is going, from the very top (that means you too, Ambassador Johnson in a possible Romney admin) down.

  7. By Karan on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Terrell Owens anyone???? Check his recent tweet, funny stuff. Gave the Jets his agents info. But he’s right. I would love to have him here.

  8. By Karan on Oct 8, 2012 | Reply

    Can’t wait !!!!!……… till next season

  9. By Karan on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    We NEED Dustin Keller back. I hope people will realize how valuable he really is. I didn’t know hamstrings took this long to recover from. He should return next week. And can you please please sign a veteran WR, most of us were screaming for you guys to sign a veteran WR but stubborn Tannenbaum refuses to listen. Terrell Owens is your best option, please give us fans a little glimpse of hope, sign a veteran, sign T.O. Keller, Kerley, Hill and T.O. is not a bad tandem at all!! Get it done, get it done!! Your one WR from having a legit looking receiver core gain especially when Keller returns from injury.

  10. By scjoe on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    64, GaryC, as we have been discussing, debating, or downright arguing about “coaching” and what part it plays on this Jet team, let me ask this question to both of you as to what part coaching played in this heartbreaking loss tonight. In both of your minds, would you say that “coaching” cost this game tonight or would you say on field execution (or lack there of) in many, many instances cost this game? It’s ok, we all know the answer, I just want to hear it coming from you guys. Funny thing, take away a few of those dropped passes, an INT or 2, a timely tackle here or there and the Jets win this game. Agreed??

  11. By Karan on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    I know Sanchez needs to play better, but for those who don’t like him, you can boo him all you want. I’m not willing to give up on this guy, why??? Because he is not surrounded by talent in the offense, no real catching wideouts and no legit running game. He did fine his first two years when he had those luxuries, this year: nothing. He did something special when he had those luxuries his first two seasons, many of you forget but I’m sick of reminding people. He doesn’t have that now, its unfortunate. The guy is mediore at best as I read in an article, and I do agree, but he needs talent, dang it, he needs talent. He needs a REAL supporting cast. They gave him nothing to work with.

  12. By Karan on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    I underestimated the Texans defense, have no idea what I was thinking. Those guys are real good, and J.J. Watt, WOW. Guy is an outstanding player.

  13. By Christopher on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    when are we ever going to get coaches who know how to call plays? Why start the game with Greene up the middle? Why pull Tebow off the goalline? Why abandon the run as soon as it starts working?

    I blame coaching and Sanchez for this loss. Sanchez’s 2 INTs cost us the game. There are no excuses left for Mark…I know the passes were tipped, but that is still on you. Deliver the ball where it needs to be, not high, short, late, out of bounds, thrown up blindly to a spot

    We’re all left to wonder if Tebow could have won that game

  14. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Speaking of disastrous Sanchez picks — and when aren’t we talking about them? — I have to “tip” my hat, pun intended, to Arte. He’s been saying since early in MS’s 2nd yr, just around the time D’s got totally hip to him and he kept having trouble adjusting, that MS’s 3 big problems related to his height and his view of the field are (1) He can’t see over the line well enough (2) He doesn’t move into passing lanes well enough, and (3) He doesn’t see downfield well enough to keep from throwing into traffic. To that I add (4) Even on some of his better throws, he often fails to put the ball right where it needs to be. The results of (1), (2), (3), and (4) are the kinds of disastrous picks that you saw tonight.

  15. By joeyjets12fla on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    its been real ladies and gentlemen,i’ll be back when the draft starts.

  16. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    You’ll probably think I wrote this, scjoe, but it’s actually a post from ESPN on the game:”Rex Ryan has to be the worst talent evaluator in the league. He’s drafted two defensive linemen in the first round in back to back years and they have a total of ZERO sacks so far. Coples didn’t even record a tackle last night. Absolute joke. This team needs to be rebuilt and it starts with the HC, GM, and personnel department.”

  17. By GaryC on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    It is amazing that the jets look more confused running the wildcat then the defenses their running it against,using two timeouts because nobody knows who should be in,who should be out,very amateurish.Somebody needs to be held accountable.

  18. By GaryC on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Again, passes getting batted down,Watt looked like Wilt Chamberlain,has anybody on the jet coaching staff taught about cut blocks to bring the defensive lines hands down,even Sanchez mentioned that at the presser.Jet linebackers continued to look lost in pass coverage,Rex,it is time to go to a four man front,you need bigger bodies out there to stop the run.Let me throw this out there,can you run a mirror route,same route on both sides of the ball and run it to the side that Watt is not,is that plausible,or am I the only one thinking that.

  19. By GaryC on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    This is blasphemous thinking on my part,but if the jets are bringing in guys like Gates,I guess you can bring in a guy like Owens for the year and see if it can help get them to the playoffs,Youth will serve better in the long run,but for this year until Hill developes why not,nothing to lose.

  20. By Frank on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    It’s time for Jamarcus Sanchez and his 48% passing and 31st QB rating to sit! Teboooooooooo Whoooooooooaaaaaa! Time to let Tim lead us to the promised land. We are 2 Dan Carpenter easy FG misses away from 1-4. According to Rex this is his best team ever so clearly our awful QB is the problem. TIME TO SIT SANCHIZE-NOT!

  21. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    O.k, If there are any Sanchez supporters out there please stop! Please, no excuses because of the tipped balls! No excuses for the O-line breakdowns! No excuses for the terrable running game! Just STOP! I readily admit that I was one of the Sanchez supporters who felt he was unfairly judged for the very reasons I just mentioned above! But enough is enough! The deep pass to a wide open Cromartie was not only thrown out of bounds, it was also underthrown as Cro had to slow down and wait for the ball.The 1st int. was caused by staring down the reciever and not throwing with a more over the top motion instead of short-arming it. the last int was thrown behind the reciever(again) and although he did get both hands on it, it was another off -

  22. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    cont- pass that wound up in the wrong hands. As for the defence, it appeared to me the after the Cromartie interception Houstons coaching staff realized they did not need to throw the ball because we simply could not stop the run.So they went conservative which contributed to the score being so close.But the problem was clear to anyone who watched this game.I urge those of you who record the games as S.C.Joe and I do to go back and watch the linebackers being blocked and shoved backwards on almost every running play.We get no push, or penetration in the backfield which allows opponents R.B’s to gather a head of steam blow through our defence like swiss cheese.Pace and B.T are simply not gett’n it done!Has anybody seen Coples or Mo Wilk ?

  23. By Jersey Rich on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Still a lot of things wrong, but, I’m not embarrased to wear my jets jacket this week!

  24. By THUNDER LIPS on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    any word on Ellis?

  25. By Randy Lange on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Thunder Lips, Rex Ryan said this morning that Kenrick Ellis has a knee injury. He didn’t know the extent of the injury from the trainers and medical staff pending MRI results but said it was not an ACL injury. Ryan will have more on all the Jets’ injured players Wednesday, when the first injury report of the new week will be filed.

  26. By Jersey Rich on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    JFS64 Tom & SCJoe – Great Posts, your comments are Right On

  27. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, asking whether it’s coaching, the roster, or execution is really beside the point, quibbling in fact. This entire org is a mess, from the owner who actually tells his players that he’s more interested in the presidential election than his team to the Keystone Cops O featuring 2 overrated QBs, neither of whom can throw consistently accurately enough to start in the NFL. RON A, I like your posts because they take a broad view of all the things that are wrong with a team that thrills its fans by losing close. And yeah, scjoe, a big part of it IS coaching as far as the HC goes because I can’t remember a Jet team looking as lost as they do now under Rex. The yr Woodall started looks like the good ol’ days compared to this.

  28. By Christopher on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Jersey Rich….you should be. This whole organization is an embarrassment.

  29. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Jersey Rich, i admire your loyalty and appreciate your patience, but remember,one of the great quotes in Jets history “Hello, you play to win the game!” Enough with the moral victories! GARY C, cant blame you for think’n of T.O, Chad O, or even Plastico, but that is not the soloution.We have enough relic’s and fossils lining up as linebackers on our defence and how’s that working out for us? 64 is right, weather any of us like it or not this season has turned into a evaluation and rebuilding year for us. Yeah, if T.o came in and played like he did 5 years ago,and Tebow won us 2 or 3 games we might even finish 8-8? And all that would do is further retard our progress.Time to move forward,get younger better athletes who want to compete.

  30. By scjoe on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    I will take the opposite road on this one 64. I would say this was a much more frustrating loss then the 49er blowout. Why? Because the opportunities to win this game were there all night long. They could have beaten what many consider to be the best team in the NFL and all it would have taken was just a little more professional grade execution. Some may question the onside kick at that point, but if Schliens holds on to the ball (which he had in his grasp) the Jets have the ball around mid field. Rex was going all out to win and I hail him for that. This loss is on the players. I would strongly agree with that height assessment of our QB 64. People can say what they like about Brees height in comparison, we don’t have Brees!

  31. By scjoe on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Ron Alexander, correct!!! I have been saying this for more then 3 years now.Watch the tape, focus on Mark Sanchez passes, pay very close attention as to where they are in conjunction with the receivers. Yes, there are some that are dead on accurate, but most, and I mean MOST, are overthrown, under thrown, wide left wide right, or just plain behind receivers running their routes that make YAC almost impossible.Just not acceptable. I watched that Pats Broncos game Sunday and focused on the accuracy of both QBs and I swear to everything holy it was night and day compared to our guy. This is not just an opinion, watch the tape!

  32. By scjoe on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, give me Gates over TO any day of the week, any week of the month, and any month of the year. Let him develop and along with Holmes, Schliens and Kerley and “maybe” Hill, they will have the makings of a very good WR core. All they would need then is a QB who can utilize their speed in a better manner then which is being done now.

  33. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez, As usual overthrows a wide open receiver in the red zone result INT.. Throws out of bounds to a wide open cro near red zone, Which BTW he didn’t drop .. crossing route IN THE REDZONE throws behind receiver leading to YET another INT, Bad clock management, confusion on what personnel should be in on what play costing us all our time outs, No pass rush no Run game, Bad coaching … Did I miss anything?

  34. By kleckofan on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Proud of the way the team played, I was pleasantly surprised. Begs the question: why not that effort every week? Must an opposing player (Carlos Rogers) insult us to get us motivated?
    The guys at SCNY hang the loss squarely on Sanchez and I agree. As some have said on here, even his completions are inaccurate and cost YAC, which often costs us first down yardage (at least twice last night). If you can’t “look off” a lineman, how can you look off a safety; the tipped balls are indefensible. Yes, sometimes the opponent makes a great play, but 5 or 6 tips? Brees is shorter and doesn’t have the problem. My man Klecko says “Mark has become a good loser, says the right things over and over, how ’bout getting angry sometime?”

  35. By kleckofan on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    As I said at the end of another blog, I have come to hate to watch Sanchez even break the huddle: the “aw schucks pigeon toed, walking the gang plank hesitation, the scared eyes and hunched shoulders”, give me a leader. Tebow is no QB, but he does have heart and passion. Play McElroy, he is our bach up QB.
    Rex says he (Sanchez) “played better than his numbers”. Really?
    The confusion and wasted timeouts are inexcusable, coaching to blame.
    The run defense was also dreadful, again.
    I can’t condone any FA acquisitions (ie T.O.),they will not be with us next yr and artificial wins (not based on long term answers) will cost draft position. That’s just misplaced prideful ego talking. Take our lumps, assess needs move forward. Play w what Tanny did

  36. By Karan on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Seriously guys, consider this: Terrell Owens, Dustin Keller, Jeremy Kerley and Stephen Hill as the starters. That sounds pretty darn good to me. Some people might argue Chad Johnson would be better than Owens. Whatever the case, this needs to happen. We need a legit receiving core, its just gettting so ridicoulous now. Once again, I tip my hat to Jeremy Kerley, he’s been great for us.

  37. By Karan on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    I liked the fact Jets used more McKnight and Powell last night. Its good to use all 3 backs during the game. McKnight is quick, glad to see him get more runs. That 100 yard return was awesome.

  38. By Karan on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Thse tipped passes killed us, results in INTs. One was thrown high but seriously Mr. Watt ruined it for us.

  39. By Karan on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    And for anyone against the signing of veteran like Johnson, T.O. or Burress, what else would you suggest? We need experience. Heck, even if you want to add a receiving experienced tight end like Jeremy Shockey or Chris Cooley, please go ahead. Anything is better than some of these butterfinger receivers.

  40. By Another Tom on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    The GOOD…McKnights TD, The BAD…Our non existant pass rush/3rd down defense, The UGLY..Play calling/execution/substitution packages..very UGLY

  41. By scjoe on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    In listening to the latest Skip Bayless – Stephen A Smith debate on ESPN.com re: Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez, and who should start, it should be duly noted that even Stephen A Smith finally gave in to Bayliss and has come to the realization that Tebow should be the starter this week vs Indy. He took in to consideration Sanchez less then stellar 48% comp percentage and the fact that he has led his team to 3 offensive TDs in the past 4 games. For me? I am not so sure Tebow is the answer at QB, but I am sure Sanchez is not!

  42. By Another Tom on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    More good..This years punter, #93 Ellis has wheels! , and solid special teams ( except Schilens)

  43. By JetBlue on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    No moral or morale victory after this game. Just as a win is a win, a loss is a loss. We can all point to the same factors that led to this loss, the same old mistakes that this team just can’t seem to correct. It gets tired and old and Jet Fans deserve better. Among the many things that just don’t make sense, I found this to be the greatest indicator that the coaching staff can’t coach this team, or a game. Tebow comes in and gets that big 11 yd run for a 1st down and has the fans going nuts. So what does this coaching staff decide. Let’s bring back Sanchez who has to be the worst QB in the league inside the 10. Rhythm, gone, Fans disheartened, field goal. Hard to think this will get any better. Good LUCK next week.

  44. By Stevesc on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    As I said after the SF blowout, the Jet’s never take advantage of any momentum without shooting themselves in the foot. Again they could have at least had a field goal at the end of the first half, but instead turned the ball over. There was a six point swing, and instead of going in at the half down 14-10, it ended up 17-7 after Houston kicked the field goal. And of course, they didn’t do anything coming out at the start of the second half. Like Yogi said, ” it’s deja vu all over again”. This team seems to make the same mistakes over and over again. if they were more disciplined, they might win some close games.

  45. By GaryC on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, that is clyde gates,not antonio gates,this guy has been cut already by the dolphins,his upside is far less then Hill or Kerley and even jordan white.when Keller and Hill are back you have the Two Hills,kerley,schilens,keller and cumberland.I am not saying Owens passed this year,but to think that Gates will be here past this year is wishful thinking,just like Patrick Turner.

  46. By GaryC on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t care what anyone says,that was a dumb move on the onside kick,maybe if the jets could stop the run or have the 49er defense but again Rex thinks he has the 85 bears and that is not the case,Let the Texans go the length of the field,maybe they would make a mistake,who knows,but to have them on the jet side of the field,no way.

  47. By GaryC on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Damon Harrison looked better then Ellis,he needs to be that Beast they everyone said he was.Myers was controlling him and he was giving a good 50-60 pounds.

  48. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    GUYs PLEASE! Stop with the Tebow stuff!!!! Let me reiterate, he is not the long term answere! Even if he comes in and we go what/8-8? Does that get us in the Superbowl? stealing a couple of cheap wins this year will only put us further down in the draft.High draft pic’s are how you get players like A.J.Watt and Megatron on your roster.KARAN, please, enough with the retread w.r.’s already!Dont you read any posts other than your own? Hey we love you but if you think this team is going any where this season you are obviously not watching the same tweam the rest of here are? And you gotta stop defending M.S. to you last breath. He just misses too many open recievers.

  49. By GaryC on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    I am looking at Montae Ball already,same size and wears the same number as Curtis Martin,If the jets don’t get a back who can break 40yards rushing it is time to quit.

  50. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    I’m going to bring one more play to your attention, Jets on the move near the red zone down by a few all the mo in our favor, TS calls a direct snap to McKnight lose 10 all the mo is gone game over. Don’t blame all our coaching problems on Rex it took guts to go on 4th and 1 at our 29 . twice converted both . he had the team ready and revved to win… Sanchez mistakes again cost us this game. But please don’t get me wrong I don’t believe we have any better to go with.sad very sad

  51. By scjoe on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, with the state of this Jet FO being what it is, I wont even make an attempt to guess who will be here next year and who will not be. But as far as Gates? So what if he was cut by the Dolphins. Who ever anointed them personnel experts? Sure this kid needs work, but you know what they say “you can’t teach speed?” Because you used that exact term with Stephen Hill. In him, I see more potential (even though I hate that term) then White. As for Stephen Hill? I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say the jury is still out on him. That said, a healthy Holmes and Schliens, Kerley, and a coached up S Hill, Gates and J Hill should be just fine. If not? Go young, not old.

  52. By scjoe on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, agree on Harrison. I liked him from camp. But I think Ellis can be a player as well. How about Harrison AND Ellis in the middle with Coples and Wilkerson outside? That is a young, strong, quick front 4 to build around. With a quick young OLB in the mix along with Maybin/Davis and Harris in the middle, along with a rotation of McIntyre and Mauga/Sapp the “potential” is there long term. I believe that should be done sooner, rather then later.

  53. By SCfroNY on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    So many comments, so little space. First the Jets played better this week. There was some pressure on the pass and a few runs were actually stopped at the line of scrimage. BUT . . . Sanchez? Some good throws but overall same old stuff. Inaccurate, never leads WR, missing easy throws, after the first TD looked lost again. Batted balls no excuse. Other QBs are aware that you are allowed to move in pocket. If you shift around and do not stare at your receiver it stops tipped passes. While on passing let’s bring back White to see what he has. You don’t get his college stats becaus he was lucky. Before we bring in the senior WRs I would see if a change of who is throwing the ball made a difference. Pass the yards needed for 1rst not short.

  54. By fourth+long on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    please no more gimmick plays!!, this experiment with Tebow(no fault of his own)
    isnt working seems like 90% do nothing more then cost us downs,and momentum. They may have lost but I saw a lot of hard honest effort and they got no help from play calling, After McKnights run back why would you even dare risk giving the Texans a short field?? this isnt Vegas REX roll your dice somewhere else, these guys played their hearts out against a tuff team and deserved so much more.

  55. By SCfroNY on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry for taking to posts. After Sanchez we look at the run game. Take away Greene ONE good run and his adverage is less than 2 yards per carry. McKnight is fast. He burst up the middle for good yardage. Where was he the rest of the game? Is the screen pass in the playbook? That goes on coaching as well as inserting Sanchez back after Tebow takes it to the 3. There seems to be no plan when you bring in Tebow. If he is just brought in to satisfy fans and Woody I bet you could get something from Jacksonville. One of the few teams with a worse QB. The 1rst round mistakes need to stop. Who here thinks Coples is better than Jones, taken later, in NE? Rex needs to stop trying to see possible drafts as they are and not what he wants.

  56. By Karan on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t think Rex would mind signing a veteran WR like T.O. or Johnson. Whats holding him back is Woody and Tannenbaum. With their refusal to spend money when they know we still have cap space. Such a stubborn owner and GM. Woodys all about conserving money and it just seems like week in and week out he could care less about the team. Oh wait, thats right, he’s more concerned with politics than the current standing of his own team. I couldn’t care less who he votes for and who he doesn’t because I don’t want to talk politics, but at least do something to help your own team, a team who is so thin at the WR position.

  57. By Jason on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Trade up, trade everything, get Geno Smith.

  58. By Another Tom on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    I’m sure that Woody must realize by now that He doesnt have a the right GM/Head coach combination..Its not rocket surgery..there is very little talent on this team…We need a new regime..Cant Wait!

  59. By Another Tom on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    How many of our starters could start on other NFL teams?…How many of our starters could even start for the Buffalo Bills?

  60. By harry-o on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    what if the jets score FG before the half instead of the texans
    there’s your six point difference
    another red zone give away
    better throws and better catches that’s all

  61. By GaryC on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    At this point, the only way the jet linebackers are catching anyone is by bringing a lasso.

  62. By Joe on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    REALITY CHECK TIME as we have not beaten a team with a winning record in almost two years .ONE FAILED DRAFT AFTER ANOTHER has finalLy caught up with us and REX KNOWS THIS (ONE DESPERATE MOVE AFTER ANOTHER LAST BUT STILL LOST THE GAME )this team might be one of the worst in the NFL and is in need of a BIG TIME TOP TO BOTTOM OVERHAUL .Any fan that thinks bringing a washed up TOWNENS is going to do anything probably thought changing the cord was the answer as well (HOW DID THAT WORK OUT )I hate to say i told all the JET DREAMERS LIVING IN A FANTASY OF SB VICTORYS TO COME THAT THIS TEAM was going to be poor but its time for THEM TO FACE THE FACTS

  63. By Joe on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    UNTILL WE GET A NEW REGIME IN HERE THAT CAN DRAFT AN ELITE QB WE WILL BE THE SAME OLD JETS .It will change because WOODY WILL NOT BUT UP WITH AN EMPTY STADIUM .At this point in time iam told there are a 15000 plus seats avail for the upcoming COLT GAME (I WONDER WHY LOL )As i have posted a million times this is the NFL NOT SOME HIGH SCHOOL OR D -3 COLLEGE .NFL players are PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DO NOTHING BUT WIN THE LOMBARDI .The last time i checked the league doesnt hand out moral victory trophys,SHOW ME A GOOD LOSER AND I WILL SHOW YOU A LOSER.

  64. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks, Jersey Rich, and Arte emailed me to say that I forgot his biggest thing against Sanchez, and I quote, “HE HAS NO PERIPHERAL VISION!” scjoe, the problem with the Jets is, to paraphrase Ronnie Lane on “Heart to Hang Onto” from the ROUGH MIX album with Townshend, their whole life is just another try — it’s always “if only,” like the other team doesn’t have any if-onlys, like if Schaub had been on or Cushing had stayed in the game. Prime example is Rex today with his 4 drops, 3 tips. Nothing is ever Sanchez’s fault even though everyone can see what kleckofan means about how he clearly doesn’t have the guts and smarts to be a great NFL QB. I don’t make predictions but I have a feeling we could lose fairly pathetically next week.

  65. By Jake on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Jet Vet, what INT’s are you talking about? Sanchez didn’t over throw any recievers in the redzone for picks. He had two tipped balls that fell in defenders hands, they weren’t over throws.

  66. By 40 year fan , John on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    This years Jets team reminds me of the Rich Kotite era team …Absolutely lost ….As lost as obama in a debate …..Although I thought for sure we would have back to back 40 burgers dropped on us …I am shocked that we could score 17 points !! …really , really bad ….SAME OLD JETS ….My heart is broken ….

  67. By Joe on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    MICROCASM of why we are exactly where we are .TOPIC FAILED DRAFT CHOICES .Could somebody please check TEXANS JJ WATTS PRODUCTION NUMBERS .Iwill go out on a limb here and say JJ WATT in one half of one game has posted greater production numbers than WILKERSON AND COUPLES (our 2 first rounders )HAVE FOR THEIR ENTIRE CAREERS Could someone check this

  68. By Joe on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply


  69. By Charliejet on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64 – OH i don’t know about that. Aaron Rogers is 6’2″ 225 exact same height as Sanchez. Weigths are exactly the same as well (225). The average height of an NFL QB is 6’3″. Drew Brees is 6 feet even (180 pounds). So I think that point is moot. I do however agree with you on his accuracy horrible! Sanchez can not work with a whole open field in front of him. He literally need to cut the field in a half which is ridiculous at this point in his career. He also just plain chokes. If Sanchez gets a little of a rythm sure enough – send in Tebow and they screw that up as well to ruin the flow of the game…I said it before I will say it again we are a semi-pro team in a pro league and it give me no pleasure in saying that.

  70. By Frank on Oct 9, 2012 | Reply

    Gee 64…what have I been saying for the last two years? That Rex is a horrific talent evaluater and our drafts reflect it. How could our drafts be so good with Mangini and then all of a sudden get so bad? This team stinks because our drafts and lack of draft picks has killed our depth and we have zero quality starters from them. Stop already with the Sanchize-Not excuses the guy is a lousy QB period end of story. This team carried him the last three years and he has failed miserably. All good QB’s make the players around them better its just that simple. Rodgers has been sacked 21 times yet he is still rated one of the best. Sanchize-Not has been sacked 9 times he has been protected well. Less than 50% 4 games in a row must be a record!

  71. By joeydefiant on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Bunch of crotchety old men in here who don’t like Rex because of his personality. Only coaches who have a better record than Rex since he took over.
    1. Bill Belichick.- Patriots
    2. Sean Payton – Saints
    3. Mike McCarthy – Packers
    4. Mike Tomlin – Steelers
    5. John Harbough -Ravens
    Thats pretty good company if you ask me.

  72. By joeydefiant on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Mark Sanchez – First two years with receivers. 4-2 in th9e playoffs.
    Mark Sanchez – Third year with mediocre talent. 8-8.
    Mark Sanchez – Fourth year without his top 3 receivers. Holmes, Keller, and HIll. 2-3 so far.

    How good would Matt Ryan and the Falcons be right now without Roddy White, Julio Jones, and Tony Gonzalez? Would they be better than 2-3? Doubtful.

  73. By Viveca on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    First, I was pleased with the effort. A decimated Jets team played with heart!
    Still, the mistakes keep piling up. Too many dumb coaching mistakes, too many men on the field, wasted timeouts,.just to name a few. I wonder if Sanchez is crouching down when he throws the ball? He is not very tall to start with.
    How about practicing with the defense holding racquets in their hands? That would force him to get more of a lift on the ball. He is not the answer,
    but Tebow isn’t either. We’ve to take our lumps this year and hope for a major overhaul next season. Don’t think we have one rookie contributing- something is definitely wrong with the scouting, or maybe the developing.No more trading up for questionable talent(Greene).

  74. By SCfroNY on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez could be the most valuble back up in the league next year (or hopefully this year).He is not horrible as several game winning drives and playoff games proved. BUT he is lacking too many attributes, that have been discussed over and over, to be a top flight QB. Not elite. With the lack of skill seen lately i would sit Sanchez, trade Tebow, and try McElroy at QB. Against middle of the road teams we will be competitive but the good teams will beat us. Stop hanging on to the possibility of an 8-8 season and see what we have on the bench. No pass rush, slow LBs, underperforming OL, terrible #1 RB, and inconsistent play in secondary makes having a winning team a remote possibility. Except for Rex who will continue to praise losers.

  75. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    JOE, if you have been reading my posts (other than when I bust your chops)I have from day 1 here been anti-Tannenbaum! Every thing I suggest is completely predicated on dumping him ASAP! We will never draft an elite Q.B. with an un-elite talent evaluator who ignores his scouts to justify his posisition as the Grand Puba
    of this organization.I told you before I have a good friend in the Giants organization who would be the ideal guy to straighten out this mess. he is an excellent personell guy and probably should have gotten the job Jerry Reese got a few years ago. he was actually the guy who brought Reese in with the G-men. The problem is he is in his 60′s and is in a posisition where he is secure. not sure he would want to get involved-

  76. By Karan on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Woody Johnson = worst owner ever. Plans to keep Tebow for 3 more years. Sanchez deserves better, I’ll tell ya that. This owner is ruining Mark’s career. Plus, I hope Tebow demands a trade next season. He should have gone to Jacksonville.

  77. By Karan on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    RON, I know he’s not playing well right now, but the guy needs some legit weapons, man. He needs receivers. This team has done nothing for him, for some odd reason, they have done nothing. I have a feeling Woody doesn’t want MS to be the starter.

  78. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    cont.- in trying to fix the mess Tanney has created.GARY C, Montae Ball is indeed an intrigueing name to consider in the next draft. But as S.C.Joe points out there will be many developements during the next few months. We will have plenty of time to specualte about potential prospects later. The goal for every serious fan of this organization is to determine who will lead this team in the future. If Rex stays we need a proven talent evaluator to “pick the groceries. If Woody wants to keep his pal Tannenbaum as a salary cap guru I can live with that, as long he is not involved in the talent evaluation process.MIKE Jet-Vet,although I agree that particular call was nuts,play calling is not the main problem.Its the execution thats killing us!

  79. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.J Again, I agree with you about Gates. None of knows if he is a long term soloution but as we are not looking like a superbowl team at this time why not give him,as well as many of the other good young players an opportunity to show what they can do? KARAN, sorry I was a little out of line busting your chops in my earlier post but please try to understand, i’m more concerned about the long term ramifications of bringing in older guys. The playing time they get keeps the younger guys off the field.This game requires game time experience to get better at. Hill, Keerley, Schillens and Gates need to play to improve.

  80. By jetsfan80 on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Really just repeating what everyone else has said here. Play these young guys. I don’t understand why D. Davis and N. Bellore are not being given more opportunities to play LB. Harris has had some good moments with the Jets, but he’s just too slow. Bart Scott? don’t get me started. I still would like to see Coples thrown into the fire more for the whole season to see if he can click. If we can’t make the playoffs, let’s see what McElroy’s got. Tebow package is a joke. They have shown no threat to pass the ball…something Brad Smith always did. Not a fan of it, but if you want Tebow to run the WC you’ve got to have some plays where you allow him to sling the ball. C’MON MAN!!!

  81. By IRA on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Too bad about Mauga. I was hoping this year he would get more playing time. Time to get Davis reps. As for T.O. i never wanted him in the past i am desperate now for a WR but i still wouldn’t waste my time and bring that HUGE headache in.
    I believe they will beat the Colts and Fish and be at 4-4 at the bye. And then hope they can play better football and win some games to enter Dec with meaningful games.
    I want to try and enjoy this season. Of course they have needs and hopefully they will be addressed after the season.
    GO JETS!!!!

  82. By GaryC on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe,I mentioned the same front four in my earlier post,the jets don’t have the right players for a three four,No speed at linebacker kind of restricts the things you can do.coaching staff hasn’t figured it out yet.

  83. By Tom Spicer on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    I know things look bleak but before the season started we all said with our schedule 4 & 4 at the break is okay & anything better than that is gravy. Well we are 2 & 3 & we still have a good shot of being 4 & 4 at the break. Also if before the season started if I told you Revis & Holmes would be out for the year. Keller would miss the 1st 5 games & our #2 WR Hill would miss 3 of the 1st 5 games. But we would be at least 4 & 4 at the break you would have told me to lay off the drugs. Well guess what we are going to be 4 & 4 plus the 2nd half of the schedule is much easuer than the first.

  84. By Allan O'Dane on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Bench Sanchez and Greene. I hate to say it but let Tebow take a few snaps and start McElory. Start Mcknight and have Powell come in to spell. Use greene on 3-1 or 4th and inches. Sign a vet. wr. Johnson/T.O./Plax in that order. Use one the those guys a #1 use Hill as #2 Kerley as your slot wr. Keller/Cumberland make a decent 2-TE set. Defense- Switch to 4-3 or 4-4, because we can’t stop the run. Use all the big bodies up on the line and let Harris become a tackling machine. McIntyre and Maybin on the outside Bell as your SS and Landry at FS Cro-Berry at the corners. Mike T has to go along with the scouts. Bill Polian/Bill Cowher tweeted ” Hey Jets I am available and ready”…..

  85. By kleckofan on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Another Tom- I hope that “rocket surgery” was a joke, right?

    Rocket science/brain surgery

    Just to lighten things up a bit

  86. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Hey joeydelusional, let’s see what Rex’s record is after this yr. I don’t totally subscribe to the size rap on Sanchez, that’s more Arte’s (and of course Ranger 46′s) thing on Sanchez. But Arte’s much more insightful pt, or pts, on Sanchez are how badly he moves in the pocket, how badly he sees the field, and how badly he sees and switches on and off potential receivers. Frank, sorry I haven’t included you on Rex and our lousy drafts, it’s hard to keep up sometimes, like I said yesterday. I’m just glad that people are starting to see the light and unhinged-from-reality “optimism” a la Rex is no longer quite so well tolerated here or anywhere else in Jets Nation.

  87. By fourth+long on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    `Sanchez is the QB and there’s no one on this team better qualified to lead the jets as he. I’ve had my issues with his abilities at times, but to replace him with anyone we have available is throwing this season away and risk crippling the teams mindset, what I saw monday night is worth building on, they didnt quit !
    and if only the play calling supported or matched that effort they could have won.
    Playing for the jets is like a pick up game we may play on any given sunday where God only knows who your team mates are going to be, give the man a break, every year its something new, and now with injuries it starts all over again.
    And here’s one to Mangold for getting back in the game, when I thought he may have been lost to us !!

  88. By scjoe on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    64, I think you are being just a tad irrational. Sure the “what if’s” the “shoulda’s and the “coulda’s apply to both teams, EVERY team, EVERY game. That is a given. But the fact of the matter is the NY Jets had an opportunity to win this game late in the 4th quarter and that is all any coach any player and any fan can ask for. In the 49r game there were no 4th quarter opportunities, the game was over by half time. So, which loss would you say was more frustrating?

  89. By scjoe on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t know if Randy has the insight as to who has the final say on personnel decisions, some here believe it is Rex Ryan, I believe it is Mike Tannenbaum. But it would be nice to settle that “debate” once and for all. Randy?

  90. By Randy Lange on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, the only thing I can state categorically is that I do not have the final say on personnel decisions.

  91. By GaryC on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    The only reason the jets haven’t switched to the four three already is because that would leave Bart Scott on the bench with Harris playing the middle and faster linebackers on the outside.Rex is doing his ex raven a favor.

  92. By MIKE on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    First off I wouldn’t take TO if he was the last receiver on earth. Second, this loss, as close as the game was, was lost by everybody except Sanchez. Twice the Jets wasted time outs because of personnel issues and in Rex’s news conference he was completely dumbfounded when asked about it. Rex has know answers for this season. Yes the team isn’t as talented or deep as we would hope but a well coached team is a good team and the Jets are not that.

    Even though Sanchez played well I would love Tebow play a couple of series just to see how the team reacts. It may be the spark they need.

  93. By RON ALEXANDER on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    JASON, love your idea to draft Gino Smith, but I’m thinking we may not have to trade-up to pick him ? At this point he looks like a possible top ten pick. When you consider most of the teams picking in the top ten have already drafted their franchise Q.B’s I think even at pic 10 we have a good shot at him. Besides, there are several other Q.B. prospects we need to consider before settling on one guy.ANOTHER TOM, all of us here can only hope you are correct concerning Tannenbaums future here. As has been stated here before, there is strong reason to believe Tanney is in really tight with Woody J. so we may be stuck with him for a lot longer than any one here wants to even think about? Ughhhh!

  94. By TIM on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply


    1. What is it with ALL the (INJURES) the JETS are having?

    2. Is it something to do with the JETS NEW **(STRENGTH and CONDITIONING)** program?

  95. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Woody’s comments today would seem to point in the direction that I’ve been saying, and Arte will be pleased about that. It looks like if Sanchez doesn’t hit it out of the park this yr, the Jets will give Tebow a chance to start next yr — or rather, Woody will give Tebow a chance to start next yr and Rex, right on cue, will start talking about how “Tim’s an elite QB,” “Tim and I will be here for the next 10 yrs,” etc. That the owner calls the shots Steinbrenner-style on things like the QB just shows how messed up this org is, of course. But giving up on Sanchez and giving Tebow a chance to prove himself will at least be moving forward, not backward…especially if McElroy beats hm out for the job…

  96. By scjoe on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Stephan A Smith said it best! He said exactly what I have been thinking and saying for a long, long, long, long time now….”With this NY Jet offense, it seems like something ALWAYS goes wrong at “thee most” inopportune time” Couldn’t have said it any clearer or any better then that!!! The only question I have is, why does it continue to happen no matter who the QB is, who the players are, who the HC or OC is and who the owner is? Because it seems as though it has been happening for the past 40 years.

  97. By Frank Verde on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe, I’m with you on the WRs. DK, JC and JB might work too. About Mark: I’m not going to pile on. Teams with widespread injuries lose games—period. The WR & TE personnel have been churning like butter since OTAs . Schemes, timing routes, blitz reads & routes—forget about it. We’ve been forced to play one level above ‘I’ll-heave-you-the-ball –if-you’re-open’ sandlot FB against the NFL’s best defenses. Remember Brady’s frustration with Ocho? How about our 2010 playoff game when our defense knocked Brady’s boys off their routes and he looked like a deer in the headlights? You think Brady would have poise and a 70% completion rate with this mess? I’m waiting for the Jets to actually execute Tony’s real schemes to see how Mark does.

  98. By kleckofan on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    This thread may be dead w randy’s new Mauga to IR article, but I’ll post there too if necessary. There is a great article by Brian Bilick on the FOX site. It’s about the owners role in football operations. He uses Jerry Jones as the focus, but says many other great things about properly run football organizations. You may not like Bilick, the coach, but as an analyst I totally respect him. He says he has a “3am rule” w regard to football people; when someone wakes up at 3am with an idea what’s it about? It better be football if he’s involved w football decisions. If it’s investment deals, stadium finance etc you got the wrong guy. Another example of the wrong thing to be thinking about would be politics. Wink, wink.
    Read the article

  99. By kleckofan on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Say what you will about Jerry Jones being meddling and too involved, but he played guard(?) on a National Championship team at Arkansas under Frank Broyles. That’s pretty respectable pedigree when compared w most owners. It’s the commitment to winning that I love and would like to see for the NYJ organization.
    Get Gruden

  100. By Ron Alexander on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    64, Dude, As I have said on several occassions, starting Tebow will set this organization back into the stone age! If a team like Denver which had a head coach that was willing to scrape his original offence and run the spread offence Tebow needs to be successful dumped him in less than a full season,how do you think he will succeed here? With the lack of talent on this team he will have no recievers to keep the defence honest. No runningback to fake or hand off to so the D will be able to Tee off on Tebow and how far do you think we will get with that set up? You are the guy advocating the modern offence so whats with the Tebow stuff?Come on 64, you gotta be kidd’n?

  101. By scjoe on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ron Alexander, I would think that even if Tannenbaum were “tight” with Woody Johnson, Woody would still have to look beyond his nose, see the forest through the trees, as I always like to quote, evaluate exactly what Tannenbaum has OR has not done, and go from there. Best thing to do if he really is that tight with him, kick him upstairs, make him VP or some other glorified title then go out and hire a REAL GM

  102. By scjoe on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Frank Verde, I hear you about the injuries. But that has been one of the points I have been trying to make about MS over the years. He is fairly capable at what he does when everything around him is at, or above 100% But he can not carry a team when things are not at 100% that is where the problem lies. Unfortunately this is a very violent game we all adore, injuries are as much a part of it as are TDs. Brady and Manning change receivers like I change my socks, but because of their elite status it just does not put as much a burden on them as it does MS.

  103. By Ron Alexander on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.JOE, although I have no inside info as to the inner workings of this organization I would feel it is safe to assume it is pretty much run like every other N.F.L organization?(except not as well!)That being the case Tannenbaum would have a college scouting dept. a pro-player personell department( who kept trac of every player on every team, every practice squad and every free agent.This is usually headed by a pro player personell director(in this case I believe it is former G.M Terry Bradway)This posisition is usually next in charge after the G.M. As far as Rex’s role I believe Tanney does value his input but does retain the final word on who we do pick.From what i have read Tanney usually gives Rex one pick each season?

  104. By scjoe on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Tim, it has more to do with the new CBA then anything else. All teams are going through it, we just happen to see it more with the NY Jets because that is where most of our focus is. You can’t cut that much in to OTAs, mini camps, training camp and practices with out having it take a toll on the product. Their idea was to keep the players safer, it has backfired terribly.

  105. By SCfromNY on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, your post about starting Tebow was right on. Tebow, like other QBs needs players around him. Our run game is worse than our passing game. Result: Tebow will be BAD!.

  106. By scjoe on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, I am sure Tannenbaum has the final say on ALL personnel decisions. I have heard it in press conferences, interviews, newspaper articles and just about everywhere else you could hear it without being in the building. I was trying (unsuccessfully) to have Randy confirm that, just for the record, but that didn’t happen, but I will stand firm in my belief

  107. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, I don’t think the Jets’ excuse-making reflex, which rivals that of the White House press corps, is a game-by-game thing, it’s a general mindset that holds us back on all levels. RON A, I don’t think Tebow is likely to ever be a great NFL QB. But the only way to find out is to see if he can win the job and then for us to try, though so many have tried and failed, to correct his throwing mechanism. If you’re not at least open to doing that once Sanchez is gone, you shouldn’t have picked up Tebow in the first place. A Tebow-McElroy competition for the starting QB job would at least ensure that we didn’t have to endure any more hot air from Rex and Mr T about our current elite QB, who will then go on to back-up obscurity on SEA.

  108. By Ron Alexander on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.J, I agree, Woody will need to find some other posisition for his pal Tanney. The problem may be that I see it, you see it, 99% of the fans and media see it, but does Woody see it? KARAN, i dont know if you have been reading my posts going back to early this year but like you I have been in Mark’s corner too! But we have to be open to what is happaning right before our eyes. Yes this organization has done nothing to help him succeed. The O-line has gotten progressively worse, the recievers struggle to get open and are not makeing the catches when given the opportunity.The running attack has been grounded and pounded! I get all this! The problem is Mark has not risen to the occassion as the great Q.B’s do. I just dont see any progress?

  109. By Ron Alexander on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.J, Please, just call me Ron. If you can go to yesterdays N.Y.Post and read Mark Cannazarro’s article on the Jets.Along with Randy, Cannizarro is the best guy if you want to get the “real deal’ on whats going on with this organization. He pretty much nails it as far as the poor drafting and other roster related stuff goes.KLECKO FAN, first of all,any Klecko fan is #1 in my book. One of the all-time great Jets! As usual, another great observation on your part about well run organizations. Good stuff my man! Not sure Gruden is the answer for us as he has had two opportunities and come up short both times. Gruden seems to have one of those abrasive personalities that weares out its welcome quickly. Not sure he could hack the N.Y.press.

  110. By Ron Alexander on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    S.C from N.Y, yeah we get it, its just too bad this organization doesn’t! My biggest
    fear is that Sanchez continues to flounder(which given the surrounding talent) he most likely will, and the Tebow zealots will get their wish.Hey, I am on record from day one when they traded for him that he is not the long term answer. Tebow is who he is, a spread option Q.B. and we simply do not have the weapons he needs to succeed. And even if we did, how far would that get us? Blown out in the first round of the playoffs!( if we could even make the playoffs?) I dont know about you but I’m tired of consolation prizes. I want to win the Superbowl!

  111. By Ron Alexander on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.J, I hear you, and nice try. Randy is no doubt in a tough posisition. We as Jet fans can simply say what we want without repercussions. As Randy’s blog is connected to the Jets site I’m sure he needs to be more diplomatic. 64, as I think you are clearly one of the most intellegent posters here, i just dont get your logic?
    Dude, you cant turn a plow horse into a through-bred! Some of the best,most respected coaches and instructers in the business have tried to help improve his throwing motion! Its not happaning! This summer I spent a fortune on golf instruction, i played some really good golf at times.But when I needed to hit the big shot,I went back to what I trusted and I still stink! We as atheletes can improve,but we never change!

  112. By scjoe on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, call me selfish, but I got to go with 64 on starting Tebow over MS, and I have some legitimate reasons for saying that. 1- MS just is not getting it done, period! That in itself should be enough, but 2- I really don’t believe starting Tebow will set the club back one bit, every year is it’s own entity, teams change QBs all the time, some, (Bengals) actually take off, even with a rookie. So there will be no long term effect what ever Tebow does. Next, although we know he is not any more accurate then MS, he is a better deep passer and the Jets strength (when healthy) is in the deep passing game with their WRs (Hill, Gates, Schliens, Holmes)

  113. By scjoe on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, to cont…So, if Tebow can even come close to duplicating what he did last season and get you to the playoff’s (which I have a hard time believing Sanchez can do) Anything can happen. As I opened this post with, call me selfish, but all I want for this team is to get in to the tournament, then they have a chance, with MS, there will be no playoff appearance and thus, no chance!

  114. By kleckofan on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ron- thanks for the kind words. I would agree on Gruden, he may not be the answer, but he’s a huge step up from what we’ve got, both on the GM and HC side of things. Sometimes time away from the sideline helps a coach get new perspective and I think the booth work, talking to other coaches, QB’s and draft beatniks has helped him w seeing opposing POV’s. I am open to suggestions, I just hope some, any move is made. Seeing Woody on CNBC talking Sanchez/Tebow is infuriating, like seeing Tanny do the same.
    I won’t get into any more specifics about playing Tebow, the whole situation defies logic and reasoning. A well run club would never had traded for him, especially w no plan for him. A disservice to us and Tim.

  115. By Ron Alexander on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, O.K, lets think this through together; first; Tebow had a much better running attack to complement his running style in Denver.We have nobody to occupy the defence so the run option is down to Tebow right,Tebow left? Second; We have no Demaryius Thomas or Eric Deckers to keep the defence honest? I read a couple of so called experts say he is a good deep passer? O.k, New England stopped him by literally letting him throw the ball in the playoff game.How did that work out?They got smoked! My point is even if he does help us win a few meaningless regular season games, how does that help us moving forward? Even if we make the playoffs, do you really think we are gonna beat anybody Think Superbowl my man.

  116. By Ron Alexander on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Cont.- Now I’m think’n your probably saying to your self(as you should be) what good is a high draft pick if Tannenbaum is makeing it? Thats another question we must deal with soon. The thing is I see absoloutely no way we are going anywhere this season. I havn’t heard anybody who’s opinion I respect even remotely suggest Tebow is a legit answer. None of the guys on the NFl network, ESPN, Boomer Esiason, Ron Jaworsky, nobody but “no nothings” like Adam Shein on SNY have come out in favor of starting Tebow.Also, keep in mind, running a spread offence is not the same thing as the wildcat. The blocking schemes are different and so are the Q.B reads.makeing so many changes in season are not easy.

  117. By Ron Alexander on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    KLECKO FAN, No problem my man, I call em as I see em! Hey, I’m not saying Gruden is a bad choice, just not sure? I do think people can learn from their mistakes so I suppose he might be someone to consider. My main focus at this point is getting a new G.M. I’m so tired of picking guys like Gholston, Ducasse, Coples,Wilkerson, ect,ect, hey i could go on forever about the mess Tannenbaum has created.Now the thing I’ve dreaded since January is happaning, the Tebow lovers are coming out of the woodwork! I readily asknowledge Sanchez has been lousey, but I’m still not gett’n on that bandwagon!

  118. By SCfromNY on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    I have asked for Gruden also. But if not him why not contact Parcells and offer him a consultants job to find the best college coach most likely to succeed. I know college coaches have problems sometimes adjusting to the NFL but Harbaugh seems to have done OK. Codicil here, plan would not work if the current Jet management made the search. Their drafting proves that.

    Tebow will never correct his motion. He has been trying forever and if someone with his determination can not do it. It won’t happen. He will always have good throws and really bad ones. If you watch Fitzpatrik he has almost the same motion and he is eratic.

  119. By scjoe on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, I NEVER said, or even think, that Tim Tebow is the “long term” answer at QB for this Jet team. I am speaking for the rest of this season only! I look around at the other options (Sanchez) And McElroy, who you will never see in an NFL game (this year anyway) as long as Tebow and Sanchez are healthy. and I say why not Tebow? You have to work with what you got. The NY Jets do not have a viable option at b/u QB. McElroy “could be” that option, but no one knows for sure, so you can pretty much write him off for this year. What does that leave? You can’t argue with the fact that TTs strength (the deep pass) falls in line with the strength of this offense (quick WRs) that in itself is better then what we have now.

  120. By Ron Alexander on Oct 12, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.J, first of all you are not selfish for wanting your team to succeed.Secondly, I have said this before and have no problem repeating myself in this case, You are the man! I always enjoy your posts and look forward to them every time I visit here
    As for Tebow, heres the thing, sombody alot smarter than I am once said”if your not moving forward, your falling behind. i have listened to you and 64 and several others here lament our failure to bring our offence into the current pass happy NFL of today? Now I watched T.T last year every time he was on the tube. I saw none of the accurate long passes people mention here?The only decent passing game he had was against Pittsburgh because they played 9 guys in the box.If we make a Q.B move it -

  121. By Ron Alexander on Oct 12, 2012 | Reply

    - cont- to be MacElroy. I mean, why waste time playing a guy at the most important posisition who is not a long term soloution? My other point again, is even if Tebow steals a few wins for us, do you really think we can beat anybody in a playoff game with our O-line, Shonn Greene at R.B and a young shakey group of W.R’s? Not to mention a defence that allows nearly 200 yds per game on the ground? Again, I’d rather draft in the top 5, than finish 8-8, miss the playoffs and pick 15,16th again.Look where that got us this year, Quenton Coples? Uggghhhhhh!

  122. By scjoe on Oct 12, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, I can’t argue with your logic, but I just can’t hope for failure (4-12, 5-11 etc) just for the sake of getting a higher pick, because we all know who will be making that selection and his track record. Everything you say about Tebow is accurate, no doubt, as a Jet, the only thing we have to go by is his 2 passes this season, one was caught then bobbled and ended up as an INT, the other? Well he hit his man in stride on a perfect deep pass for what should have been a TD, except the receiver failed to catch the ball. Make no mistake, Tebow has very good accuracy and touch on the deep pass, something that we as Jet fans have not seen since Vinny

  123. By Ron Alexander on Oct 13, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.J, Like you I am not in favor of going 4-12,5-11,or 6-10? But when I look at this roster and how poorly the high recent draft pic’s are playing I just dont see us finishing with a winning record? I guess I’m thinking it would be harder for even Tanney to screw up a top 5 pic? I got a little stoked up watching the Yanks win last night so I went back and watched the Houston game one more time looking for positives.Obviously Cromartie played a hell of a game and Landry was all over the place as well.K.Ellis was moving the center back on almost every play before he was injured. Coples and Wilkerson had a couple of flashes at the Q.B but need to step it up. Pace and Thomas are simply not getting it done. They were getting pushed back like-

  124. By Ron Alexander on Oct 13, 2012 | Reply

    cont.- they were on rollerskates? The reason Arien Foster, and Colin Kepernick the prevous week were able to get to the edge so easily is because there is absoloutely no penetration into opposing bacfields so the runners are hitting the edge in stride and are not even touched until they are 10 to 20 yds downfield.Even David Harris is slow to fill the hole as he has had a lot of trouble disengaging from blockers.That is why we are missing so many tackles. The defenders are not shedding the blockers and are forced to resort to arm tackling which is never gonna get the job done. I’m sure some of this is due to fatigue as the D is on the field way to much do to all the three & outs! The O needs to step it up this week!

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