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Mauga Goes on IR, Muir Comes Aboard

Posted by Randy Lange on October 10, 2012 – 4:41 pm

Updated, 6:35 p.m. ET

A new week, a new injury, a new Jet.

Head coach Rex Ryan confirmed at his midday news conference that LB Josh Mauga had torn a pectoral muscle during the Monday night game against the Texans. Mauga joins recently IR-ed players Santonio Holmes and TEs Dedrick Epps and Josh Baker as well as Darrelle Revis, who remains listed as “out” with his serious knee injury.

To take Mauga’s roster spot, the Jets have signed a DT with Indianapolis ties in Daniel Muir.

“He’s a former Colt, a former Packer, a guy that has some experience,” Ryan said. “We’re excited to add him.”

In keeping with the recent trend of newly signed Jets, it wouldn’t be surprising to see the 6’2″, 322-pound Muir get some reps Sunday against the Colts, his team of the previous four seasons. NT Sione Pouha (back) didn’t participate in today’s practice after sitting out the Texans. Neither did Kenrick Ellis (knee), who “doesn’t look good for this week,” said Ryan.

“Do I want to play Sunday? Of course,” Muir told me after practice. “But my main thing is I’m going to let the coaches make that determination. It doesn’t matter what I want. They’ve got to see it and I’ve got to show it. I’m going through a crash course now.”

So who does that leave on the inside? Is Po‘uha definitely out again?

“I’m not sure. We’ll just see how the week goes on,” Ryan said. “We’ve got ‘Snacks’ [Damon Harrison], who’s doing a good job. And [Mike] DeVito can play in there. He’s done that in the past as well.”

Despite the IR-ed Mauga, who in the first five games was in for about 50 plays on defense and about 165 including special teams, the Jets’ injury list appeared to slightly improve ahead of today’s practice compared to last week’s 24-man list.

This week’s full post-practice list had 23 players. Four others besides Po‘uha and Ellis were DNPs — FB John Conner (hamstring), C Nick Mangold (ankle), WR Clyde Gates (shoulder) and S LaRon Landry (heel) with his regular midweek day of rest.

Seven others were limited, including TE Dustin Keller, who’s missed four games, and rookie WR Stephen Hill, who’s sat out the last two, both with hamstring injuries. Did Rex have confidence in either receiver’s return for Indy?

“I would say Dustin now — his injury’s had more time to heal,” he said. “But I’m hopeful both of them will be out there.”

Also limited were three LBs — David Harris (hamstring), Bart Scott (toe) and Bryan Thomas (hamstring) — plus WR Jeremy Kerley (finger/illness) and S Eric Smith (knee). Ten others were listed as full participants. The Jets’ full preliminary injury report can be found here.

The Colts’ first list of the week had 10 players, but eight who didn’t participate today. Familiar names were old pass-rushing nemeses Dwight Freeney (ankle) and Robert Mathis (knee), now both LBs in Indy’s 3-4 scheme, as well as CB Vontae Davis (ankle), RB Donald Brown (knee), and former Jets NT Martin “MTV” Tevaseu (ankle). The three other DNPs were LB Pat Angerer (foot), DE Fili Moala (knee) and G Joe Reitz (knee).

Cushing’s Knee

Ryan was asked about Houston LB Brian Cushing’s season-ending knee injury, which he suffered on a cut block by guard Matt Slauson in the second quarter on Monday. The Jets coach was unhappy to hear about the injury to the Texans’ defensive star but defended his player on the play.

“It’s an unfortunate thing. Clearly in this league it’s all about the players, and Brian’s a great player. I hate to see that,” Ryan said. “Obviously we’ve experienced our own [injury] issues.

“It’s something that definitely was not intentional. It’s a legal block. We don’t cut very often. Sometimes we’ll cut on the second level and things. … [Houston’s] zone running schemes, they cut every single play. It’s not dirty. It’s a technique. Almost every single run on the back side, they’ll do that. With us, it was a thing that was unintentional. I feel terrible for Brian, and for the league. The league loses when you lose a player like that.”

Rex Cetera

Muir’s best seasons were 2009 and ’10, when combined he played in 34 games with 28 starts, including Super Bowl XLIV. He’s been more of a double-team eater than a pocket-collapser in his career with a total of 124 tackles but only 1.5 sacks. Interestingly, the only full sack of his career came in the 2010 AFC Wild Card Game, a first-quarter, first-and-10 sack of Mark Sanchez in the Jets’ 17-16 triumph.

Reporters are keeping Tebowmania on the simmer but Ryan declines to turn up the heat. About the questions he continues to get about his QBs, he said: “I’ve got no problem answering questions each week.” And about a perceived public clamoring to see more of No. 15, even as the starter, he said:

“We picked Tim up because we know he’s a good football player. One thing I know about the public is that the public wants to win. I understand that. The decision on playing Tebow is going to be my decision. It’s not going to be the public’s decision or anybody else’s. It’s on me. Quite honestly, I think I’ve learned through the years to tune out the public a little bit. That’s probably a good thing. Sometimes what you hear is not real flattering. You learn to walk off the field with earmuffs on.”

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89 Responses to “Mauga Goes on IR, Muir Comes Aboard”

  1. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    I was happy that Woody bought the Jets and not Dolan, but I think I was wrong.
    What are everyone’s thoughts? Please share with me.

    Bitter Blinka

  2. By robertpapalia on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    This team is right on schedule what I said before the season began. A 4or5 win season. Mike Tannenbaum has put personnel on the field that has no business being in the NFL. The result is a team that now has become the laughing stock around the league. And Rex keeps blowing smoke at the media saying everything is just wonderful. Rex is the new Rich Kotite. The end result is the Jets are just a mess and Jets fans will suffer. The only recourse fans have is to stay away from Met Life Stadium until Woody gets serious about putting a winning product on the field. That starts with a new gm and coach. Or if not Woody should sell the team to people who really want to win championships not just platitudes.

  3. By GaryC on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    hopefully the jets win this week so I don’t have to put up with hearing all the indy newcasts saying how they whipped our butts,watching the colt game against the packers this week,MTV was carted off the field,I guess even if you leave the jets you can get injured no matter where you are,Bad Karma this year for all associated with jets.

  4. By Ablity on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    When we lose, the fans want to throw everybody under the bus, and I get that, and I am upset too but, angry does not help rational thinking. These are the fact, MS playoffs QB rating is about 95 percent, that tell me, he can win, when you don’t need to fix something, don’t! those are words of Alan Fanca, remember him? Second, we have alll seen Greene do work!!! He is a really good back, go back and watch 2009 and 2010 playoffs. David Harris has never been, and will never be the problem, he is top 5 MLB in the leauge. The problem is number one: NT! Kris Jinkin maybe spoil me, but I’m use to the NT taking on 2 or 3 linemen, which freed up Linebackers, David Harris should not be taking on 300 pound linemen. our DE: Cooppes, and Wilk are fine!

  5. By Ablity on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Problem 2: OLB, BT and CP are both old and slow, they do not stop the run or rush the passer, there is no need for them, Let Davis starts, he is fast and young, we could just that, let AM start, also fast and young. Problem 3: Oline! everybody wants to blame Greene, do you guys even watch the games! most runs he get hit in the backfeild by a unblock lineman, and if he does gain 2 yards, it’s because he had to break a lineman tackle. Our oline is not opening any holes at all, IDK what the problem is, was Fanca and woody that good! those are our only there problems Oline, NT, OLB. Whoever 71 is that came in when Elis got hurt, needs to be starting at NT, he actually move the center backwards, which is the best way to stop the run!

  6. By Ablity on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    We did not go from AFC campionship to 8-8, and now 2-3 by accident, this was a careful, and slow “planned,” not result intental, but planned process by rex after two loses in the camp games. We try to move from ground and pound, like the 49ers right now, to passing and stoping the pass, like the 2011 packers. This is why we brought in all those receivers, didnt resign Elis, drafted wilson(who i love) and everything we did for the last two year for the end of going from the “Ravens” mentially, to the “Colts” or “Packers” mentially. And now were paying for it. So please when you watch the Jets allow 150 yard rush per game and only 200 passing, it is not magic, it is not Harris, and we cannot gain 100 yards on the ground not because of Greene.

  7. By Charliejet on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Can we please stop with the “Sanchez took us to the AFC cahmpionship twice”
    It is over and finished peroid. We are here and now. Like Rober tDeniro said in The Deer Hunter – “See this? – This is this”.

  8. By SCfromNY on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Again, who cares if Sanchez took us to 2 Champ. games which we lost btw. 2 years is a lifetime in NFL time. Players and coaches change. Yes Greene rarely has a hole and many try to blame it all on the OL. If the team couild pass the Jets could line up “wide” and occasionally run from it. But with poor QBing the line needs to stay tight so when we run there is no space to create holes. That said perhaps on occasion we could go outside, but not with Greene. Another LB goes down and we pick up DL. Why not another FB? Does Rex have a secret D that doesn’t need LBs? Lastly picer: In the first half we will have to face Dolps 2X, Bills, and Colts. You find the second half easier. NE twice and the improved NFC west. Where is that easier?

  9. By Gino Capra on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    mike tannenbaum should be fired IMMEDIATELY! signing holmes was the biggest mistake he made! letting go of edwards, smith, and cotchery was a big mistake! those guys right there was pretty much our offense. then losing woody and faneca was crucial to our o-line, and did they pick anybody up? no…tannenbaum signs hunter to a two year deal…more money down the tubes. i feel so bad for sanchez, he’s a great qb and has no help at reciever. granted we have injury issues…but there is absolutely no depth in the wr position. as far as rex goes…he ruined this team with his big mouth. i wouldn’t be surprised if any player would want to play for this circus…so much for super bowl hopes : /

  10. By Gino Capra on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    might i add…i absolutely agree with trading away or letting go of scott and pace on defense. those guys are old and slow, in need of good linebackers and a dt. i just hope revis is around next year…cause if tannenbaum is still around…we all know he won’t sign him back.

  11. By jetken on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    wow this team has serious problems at linebacker for starters, and i dont care who sanchez throws the ball to he is not an nfl qb 50% completion percentage cmon and either is tebow. they need to run run run the ball and start mclroy. this season is not over but im afraid if sanchez is the starter or even tebow it will be and then what do they do if neither qb can win? i know what i would do, i would hire a new gm that can actually evaluate talent and someone that makes better decisions that tanny. and rex your great but your d stinks and i dont know what your smokin but this d has no chance ever to b a top 5 d. i thought when they hired u we would always have the best d but this is the jets who are somehow cursed or something.

  12. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply


    I too am wondering about the running game. We were pretty good two years ago. Fanaca was not on the team. So is the difference just Damien Woody can’t be. there is someone else your not mentioning: tony Richardson. Could the absence of him and woody be the difference? I don’t know. I hope Rex does and get get it fixed. We know that despite his playoff qb rating Sanchez is not ready for prime time. Thank you.

    Bitter Blinka

    Ps. Golston, Sanchez, Wilson, Wilkerson. What’s going on!!!!!!

  13. By russ on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Reality is the Mgmt team of NY Jets has done a poor job of building players into a winning system….The DL is still good at Dancing with the Stars and the OL can neither force the run game or secure the passprotection…couple that with illusion that we have a class 1 running back and taking anybody as wide recver and you have a very poor football team ..it starts at the top and only there…

  14. By scjoe on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Bitter Blinka, I wish it were Donald Trump who bought the team. We know he is serious about competing AND winning. He also had a little experience in ownership with the old USFL. As for the Muir signing? What a coincidence, he has ties to the Colts, who we just happen to play this week. Daja vu all over again?

  15. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Blinka, Woody’s proven to be an owner who cares little about winning, so he’s gotta go. Ablity (where ya been, guy?), you make a lot of good pts but the overall design of the team, which is Mr T’s and Rex’s, is a disaster. It’ll take several yrs to find out if the S Hill’s and D Davis’s are going to be all that good, much less the Slauson and Wilsons, so we have nothing to lose by making a radical change at HC, QB, and lots of other places too. And I still don’t know what it is with all these injuries…

  16. By 40 year fan , John on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Woody should hire Bill Parcells to come in and fire people , and then rebuild from the ground up …..Alot of our players, and coaches need to go bye , bye…

  17. By 40 year fan , John on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    This is a disgrace ….

  18. By FL.Pete on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Wow, good luck those assessments here Ability… I agree with about 80% of your thoughts but im sure you will get blasted by the same ol Jets fans here… Think the team will het better on both sides of the ball as we get healthier, will that be enough to make the playoff we will see… Id like to see more Davis and Maybin myself..

  19. By Frank Verde on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Great, another tear. Hi Ron Alexander. I don’t expect people to agree with my skewed perspective, but here it is. It takes some great coaching to win the 4 playoff games the Jets did recently. So, (after screwing up last year) Rex & company developed a plan. The corps of WRs has been gutted and renovated, as well as the corps of safeties. The young guys are quickly integrating into the D line. I expect other areas to be addressed next. As I’ve said, LB is a sophisticated position. Davis is going to be rolled into packages as he earns it in practice. Patience can be a virtue, but patients not so much. A coaching staff giving up on the playoffs this early? I don’t think so.

  20. By Frank Verde on Oct 10, 2012 | Reply

    Why have new players earn game time in practice? It’s based on a premise that’s true for my profession: If you ain’t cutting it in practice, it ain’t happening on game-day. The notion of a “gamer” suddenly emerging from incompetence to win games is nonsense. A “gamer” is a player who practices well and whose adrenalin is under control to the point where it gives him an edge in alertness and performance (being in the zone) rather than blowing up during games. If a LB doesn’t execute the schemes in practice, it’ll be at least as bad in the game. The trick is maintaining the level you achieve in practice on game-day (that will decide our QB’s fate). A lot of players never do because adrenalin can be a merciless foe (i.e., “to choke”).

  21. By dougmc on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    We were right there for a Texan upset and too many plays were left on the field. Sanchez has to hit Cro into the endzone, Jason Hill has to catch that Tebow pass, etc., etc., etc. Defense got old and slow in the back end. Circle the wagons and turn this season around no matter who’s in the lineup or whomever we’re playing. Sparano and “O”-line need to figure this —- out. Wilkerson,Coples and Maybin…How about it? Huh? Let’s Go !!!

  22. By Keith Beckett on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    The problem is not the HC or his staff, It’s not the fault of the QB or any of the players for that matter. The problem lies squarely in the lap of the Jets GM, M. Tannenbaum is the reason the roster lacks talented depth. This team could ill afford injuries but when they reared their ugly head, it exposed the lack of depth on the paper thin roster. M. Tannenbaum must be held accountable and I hope that the franchise is searching for his replacement and seeking the best fit now.

  23. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Pretty hard to argue that Woody’s not calling the shots: “I’m telling you right now, he’s our starting quarterback this week,” Ryan said Wednesday. It didn’t sound like a long-term commitment, not with the “this week” qualifier. Pressed on the matter, Ryan replied, “What do you want me to say? He’s our starter. He’s our starter this week.” Great movie reference, Charliejet!

  24. By chris long time jet fan on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    we have to may turnovers most by mark…he doesnt have to adjust cause he wont get benched,,,its rexs project so until rex or sanchez is gone we struck with this ..bend but dont break d doesnt work when you cant score…..keep it close and try to pull one out is playing for 50 percent…not gonna get done.we be lucky to be 8 and 8 when all said and done.we get them next year.

  25. By IRA on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    After re-watching the tape of the Hou game i know a loss is a loss but there were stretches when they did show some positive stuff on both sides of the ball. I still go back to before camp opened they missed the boat not adding a veteran RB and WR to this team. Also the OL is not opening the holes for any RB to get through. Sanchez did at times make some fine throws but there is way too much ups and downs with him right now. part of it is his fault and part is the pieces around him. If he doesn’t have a solid game this week vs the Colts it won’t be a good thing. The Colts secondary stinks and with keller coming back i think Sanchez will have a very good game this week. IF Mangold plays Jets 24- Colts 20
    GO JETS!!!!

  26. By GaryC on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    why is it if the Yankees can sit A Rod,we can’t sit Scott,Pace or Thomas,especially with this strong team Rex said we had.

  27. By GaryC on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ability,YOU LOVE WILSON,WHOA.did you see him dancing with the wideout in the end zone on Foster’s touchdown,that was really forcing the run.Colin Kapernick,the week before almost ran over him on his touchdown run.you also need to check the rosters of all the other teams if you think Harris is a top five middle linebacker.

  28. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Mark Cannizzaro’s column is right on.

    What’s going on here?!

    Will I have to add Couples to my list of shame too?

  29. By SCfromNY on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Here’s a fun thing to do. Take Tebows blood pressure before and after news conferences. ( Which btw are stupid for a back up at ANY position) The questions one after another are meant to provoke controversy and get some anti Jet quotes. Second to Tebows blood pressure has to be Sanchez’s. All this could be avoided by moving McElroy to starting QB and stop the silly pressers.

    All teams scheduloed to play the Jets have players on their practice squads eagerly waiting to be picked up by the Jets. A coincedence only I’m sure.

    Seriously would McElroy be good? How could he be worse?

  30. By Allan O'Dane on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Blinka, The problem here is Mike T. is in woody’s ear. Dolan can be a pain once in awhile but I will tell you this..Look at the NY Rangers now this team went from being star studded with no direction to young, fast and a core of Vets to propel this team into a stanley cup contender and a no nonsense coach. Now the knicks, the knicks were just plain god awful..they had no money under the cap so they played like a team with no talent ( sounds familiar? ) Now they have money went out and got players, role players, seasoned vets and will contend for the eastern title. This is mainly because the GM and scouts do their jobs. I think woody is a nice guy in general but as long as Mike T and his scouts are at the helm we will never get “That” star

  31. By Allan O'Dane on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Continued for Blinka, Just look at Sanchez..All the rookie QB’s that are starting right now have a better complete % then mark. Those 2 AFC championship games the running attack and the defense carried mark. We have a coach who believes he’s got the 2000 ravens with this ground and pound and #1 ranked defense. Well this is a passing league now and if you look at the past SB winners..Steelers..Pats..Giants…Saints…Packers…All have balance offense and good defense. Right now the niners and texans are the most complete balanced teams on both sides of the ball. Mike T is responsible for putting the best product out their on the field and as you can see the product is below average

  32. By Allan O'Dane on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Look at what Tampa did for Freeman..they signed Carl Nicks,,,Vincent Jackson and got him a RB, So mgmnt is saying “Look we are giving you all the tools you need to succed, now it’s on you”. That’s what a GM is supposed to do. Give you the tools to win. Imagine if we had Nicks,Jackson and even cedric benson ( barring injuries ) how different would this team look? Woody should just sell the team to Curtis Martin and Co. Hire Bill Polian as GM…and do everything you can to get Bill Cowher…then you will see what a real GM and a real coach can do.

  33. By Allan O'Dane on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I was thinking the samething this morning. If Joe G. can sit A-rod, why can’t rex shut down sanchez and put this kid McElory in? If Mark has another game bad game against Indy Rex has to make a change. He will lose this team if he doesn’t.

  34. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply


    The past three drafts have the stench of Rex’s influence. He must share in the blame here…………….So shall it be written So shall it be done!


    What’s going on here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  35. By 40 year fan , John on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets don’t stand too much of a chance , when we can barely beat The Dolphins ….We are in the top three worst teams in the NFL ….

  36. By kk on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Woody should worry about selling bandaids and leave football to the guys he hired. I have a sneaky suspicion that he is pulling some strings thinking he can sell motr tickets and quite the opposite is happening. You know he’s pushing Tebow to start and while Sanchez makes me nuts with his lack of vision and decision making Tebow is not the answer and would only set us back further. When you see Rex backing Sanchez than say he’s the qb for this week that tells you everything you need to know. Woody is another meddling owner who wore black socks in gym and now thinks he knows it all. The best owners are the ones who let the pros run the show. Enough with his nonsense!!!

  37. By Blinka The Merciful on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    I am not including Couples on my List of Shame because it’s too early, but look what the Syracuse kid is doing for He Who Cheats.

    What’s going on here!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Biinka the Merciful

  38. By Karan on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, welcome back Dustin! It about time, Other than Kerley, Sanchez has something he an rely in. Theres a lot of push for Tebow to start, I’ll go with Sanchez for the remainder of the season thank you. The Jets problem is they haven’t found a way to utilize Tebow correctly. Thats their problem but STOP with the QB change. Get the Mark some receivers that can catch the ball. Wow, we have 3 back to back home games, never took a chance to notice that.

  39. By Karan on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Randy, since there will be no T.O. time in NY, is it possible the Jets could make a trade for Braylon Edwards with Seattle? He’s barely being utilized there. He always had great chemistry with #6.

  40. By Randy Lange on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, it’s possible the Jets could make that trade, up until the trading deadline, which this year comes after the Week 8 games rather than after the Week 6 games in previous seasons.

  41. By scjoe on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    64, I think “most” of us here, and throughout NY and NJ know what is going on on the surface, but none of us know what is going on below the surface. That said, no HC is going to get up in his presser and make a statement like “the owner told me not to start player x, y, or z) not going to happen, ever! So, IF that owner told his HC “we will give this player one more week, if there is no improvement we will move on” you will get the exact spin Rex put on it at his last presser. Trust me, if WJ wants Tim Tebow to start over MS at any point, he will. And if Rex were to disagree? Then the new interim HC, Tony Sparano will make sure it gets done.

  42. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ability, are you drinking at the same watering hole as Spicer..I’ll say to you what I say to Spicer < I do admirer your optimism I do..and your opinion is just as important as anyone here,let me add doesn't mean you're wrong, just means you're in denial….. Yes I agree Jet fans need to boycott games until we get a Quality product for these Premium prices let Woody remissness while watching the Giants ….I can't, I won't have a discussion about what this team needs or don't need, it's obvious we're all beating a dead horse. Long as some fans are willing to accept and excuse away the disaster this team has been for way to many years.Just gives Rex Mike -T Woody more fuel to flame this eternal fire we call the Jets

  43. By Tom Spicer on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Shonn Greene has forced one missed tackle in 79 touches this season.
    In a word, unreal. Of course, such an amazingly dreadful stat shouldn’t exactly be a surprise considering Greene has averaged just 2.9 yards on his 76 carries, but it further illuminates the insanity of Greene out-carrying Bilal Powell 8-4 against the Texans. Powell doesn’t exactly conjure up memories of Jim Brown, but it’s impossible to argue he’s not the Jets’ best backfield bet at this point

  44. By Jake on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Did I seriously just read an article that quoted Woody Johnson saying “Tebow will be with us through 2014″? are we serious!!!!!!!! If that’s the case I think I may have to take a leave of absence as a football fan until he’s gone. I can’t ever support another team but I won’t put up with the Tebow circus until 2014. So my only option is just not follow football.

  45. By IRA on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Now E. Smith is hurt in practice and is out probably for a few weeks. The injury bug has hit them real bad this year. They have been very lucky for awile and it has finally caught up to them. I think J. Bush will step up and fill in and for sure add more speed to that D. I want to see the younger guys get some playing time.

  46. By robertpapalia on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    You people can spin it all that you like but facts are facts. Sanchez is throwing at under 50%. That is unheard in today`s game when the measuring stick for good quarterbacks is 60%. Anyway Sanchez and Tebow are not the answer. They need to draft a #1 qb. That should only come when the present adminstration is fired. The Jets cannot afford to place next years draft in the hands of Tannenbaum and Ryan. Real football have to be brought in to make the decsions that have to be made. Then and only then can the Jets even talk about championships.

  47. By Gregory Beaumont on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Jets have become a real laugh. I am sure oppossing defenses are saying please do not injure MS. If you have to tackle him, please try to cushion his fall. Rex Ryan and the owners will keep playing him forever even though his completion rate is under 50%. Tebow could turn out to be a better QB, but we won’t even given him a chance. So, why did we take him then?

    The Jets are the team to beat!! or is it the team everyone will beat!!

    Next week the Colts – GOOD LUCK!!!

  48. By Jersey Joe on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Just finished reading the Tebow presser – Starting to feel sorry for the guy! He was asked basically the SAME question 15 times over, beat writers were Grilling the PLAYER as to why he’s not the starting QB leading the Jets on an amazing play-off run. Here’s my suggestion : why don’t these writers ask HEAD COACH RYAN why Greene is his starting tailback? Rex, what do you see when you watch game film? Rex do you see that your run game is a laughingstock? A 6′ RB simply falling down gains 2 yards – Rex, why are Pace, Thomas and Scott your starting LB’s? Don’t you see them SS–TT–RR–U–U–GG–EE–LL– II–NN–GGG to make routine plays every series? Rex why do you continue to humiliate these men this way? Just questions I’d ask the coach.

  49. By Tom Spicer on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    SCfromNY, We play the Pats in a week please tell me how that is in the 2nd half of the season? Also we play at the Pats, at the Steelers, VS 49ers & VS Texans 4 legit Super Bowl contenders in the first half of the season. In the 2nd half of the season we have the Pats at home besides that 1 game please tell me what game we have that is like the 4 games I mentioned above? Cause the Hawks, Rams, Cards, Jags, Titans, Bills & Bolts are not even in the same class as the 4 teams I mentioned.

  50. By stef on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    You are a bunch of pathetic fans. Hmmm…did I say ‘fans’? fan = someone who admires and supports his/her teams win or lose.

  51. By robertpapalia on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    I have watched these press conferences with Rex Ryan and they are a joke. Rex seems clueless when talking about the offense and the press asking him questions are lending to this carnival like atmosphere. This tells me more than ever that Ryan and Tannenbaum must go and real football people brought in. What a travesty of a organization.

  52. By kleckofan on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Kudos to Papalia
    Ability (new poster or new name?)- Agree w many of your comments, until you call Sanchez a “great QB”. If you guys don’t want to listen to any of us on here, please quote me someone from the sports world who calls Sanchez a great QB.
    He will only ever be Dilfer-esque. That means the rest of the team has to be next to perfect to cover for him. I’d rather have someone who raises the game of those around him.
    Lets not get gaga over Faneca, I’ve said on here before, in his last year Football Focus, (who analyze literally every play of every game) had him ranked 2nd to last for guards. We made the right move there (maybe the last right move we made).

  53. By Howie D on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    McElroy needs to revive Keyshawn’s chant…”Just gimme the damn ball!” If that doesn’t work, he should threaten to take his talents to South Beach.

  54. By kleckofan on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    I agree the O line is not opening holes, but Greene is not exposing anything that might be there anyway. Thomas Jones was a contact runner too, but he could also blow one open for ya and take it to the house.
    The loss of Jenkins is much more credible as the most important factor in our decline than anyone else.He was a run stopper and pushed the pocket. Our DL now plays patty cake on pass plays. I think the first thing my dad taight me about DL was “get rid of the blocker”. We engage, and engage and engage; a problem on pass and run!

  55. By Tom Spicer on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    If the Jets dont win this week Tebow will be the starter next week. Even if the Jets win this week & lose next week to the Pats. Then if we lose to Miami Tebow will start after the bye. So in a nut shell unless the Jets win both of there next 2 homes games VS Colts & VS Miami. Tebow will start from game 9 on possibly game 7.

  56. By Tom Spicer on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Hopefully we will get Keller & Hill back this week & it will give our O a lift. Clyde Gates is fast but he cant run routes he was cut by the Dolphins & is only with us cause he is Sprano’s boy. The other Hill was cut by the Jags another scrub & Schilines was the 4th WR on the Raiders they thought some much of him they let him walk as a free agent. There are college teams with better WR corps than us.

  57. By kleckofan on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    I can’t hammer on Tanny for Kyle Wilson. Based on the draft analysis I also thought he was a great snag for us. If you look back at draft analysis for 2010 he was a fast rising pick by draft day. We thougt we had a steal. Also, he was going to be our nickel and this preceded the meteoric rise of Gronk so height wasn’t as important. He was going to cover Welker. Best laid plans. I love the poster who said we should have him put his shirt on backwards so he’ll face the right direction in coverage.
    Other factors in our decline: we thought Braylon had some diva issues, nothing like Tone.We lose Cotch, TRich, LT no character guys left; some good guys, but not leaders. Rudderless ship.

  58. By chris long time jet fan on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    good qbs makes good recievers its not vice versa…..we have good players .ang a good team without all the interceptions and fumbles …we have a weak link …its mark….he may be goood 3 to 5yrs from now ..rex should try tebow or my choice mcelroy…to see if its bad o line bad wrs bad rbs …..every evrybody is bad the rookies the veterans …never mark ….cant believe season is gone by week 6…pitiful…if rex and sanche cant be separated they must both go.

  59. By Tom Spicer on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    MR.T this is on him there is no depth on this team. Look at the Giants lets say Pierre Paul goes down & they still have Tuck & Osi. Hakeem Nicks goes down & they still have Victor Cruz, Domnick Hixon, Ruben Randle & Rames Barden. Holmes goes down & we are picking up scrubs off the street. We need a GM that is going to come in that knows the game & will tell Woody I make all of the football choices PERIOD! This is a joke “Well you can never have to much Tebow”

  60. By Tom Spicer on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    With Holmes out for the year. Keller missing all 5 games & Hill out for the last 3 games. The only good guy is Kerley. We have Gates, Hill, Schilines these guys are beyond terrible. Schilines would be our 4th WR at best. Hill or Gates 1 of them would be on the practice squad & the other would not even be on the team. Thats how bad they are & thats how bd the depth is on this team. I am not kidding I think Rutgers has WR’S than we do right now!

  61. By Raymond Carey on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Did you see Woody Johnson on CNBC. “Tebow will definately not be traded before his contract runsout. Sanchez played very well against the Texans”. I always called for Ryan and Tannenbaum’s head but I’m now wondering if Johnson isn’t really too active in the teams makeup. Yeah he owns them so he can do what he wants but if he is making most of the key decisions then HE should be blamed for the net result. The only way to get through to Woody is his pocketbook. When Met life stadium is half empty then maybe he’ll sell the team an an owner who knows how to delegate decision making to more knowledgeable people that will take over and mold a real contender. You think Kraft tells Bellechick who he can trade and who he can’t?

  62. By Tom Spicer on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    NT Kenrick Ellis out 6 weeks & the hits just keep on coming!

  63. By Allan O'Dane on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Blinka that’s exactly my point. Vernon G. was a total waste..Wilson..at corner? what is he like 5’7? These WR’s now are like 6’4 .. Wilkerson showed some progress but has slipped this year, Ellis who knows?. Sanchez only played 1 year of college ball. I can’t understand how you can draft a QB in the 1st rd with only 1 year being a starter. On top of that USC was loaded at every position. This is why Mike T has to go. Remember Pete Carroll said “Mark is not ready”. That was a flag right there. I want a Qb that is 6’4 has a cannon for an arm and can move out of the pocket and make accurate throws….wait…he;s playing for the colts right now…We can only wait to see what Coples,Davis,Hill and Bush bring to the table.

  64. By Allan O'Dane on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    I have more and more respect for Eli because even though his wr corps is depleted he’s making those no name wr’s look really good. That’s a product of good drafting and an elite qb. So no more excuses for Sanchez, no more “gotta make those throws, can’t throw INT’s, I have to do better”…Mark it’s your 4th year…NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!!!!

  65. By Ablity on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks to everybody who replyed to my points, and I completely understand most of the points about MS. Think about this, how many elite QB’s are there in the leauge? I’ll say about 6, maybe! There are 32 teams in the leauge? that means a team right now have a less than 20 percent chance of having a elite QB. The saints and packers have elite QB’s, and they combine 3-7? Therefore, even having a elite QB’s does not equal wins. MS is not going to win game by throw 50 times for 400 yards and 5 TD’s, he has never been that type of QB and will never be. That does not mean we cannot win with him. Do you guys really want to waste another draft pick on another QB, who will never meet the expectations of any NY. My point is long but it’s coming…

  66. By Ablity on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Point: When you lose football games, it is a collection of problems, there is a difference between a solution and a problem( I know, just wait). Drew Brees(Best QB in the leauge in my opinion since tom got hurt) is a solution! Meaning simply that he is top 5 in the leauge at his position. A team can afford to not have many solution! but a team cannot afford many problems. Problems being players that should not be on the feild unless in special teams. Eric Smith, Cavin Pace, Bart Scott, Slauson, whoever that RT is, are all problems. Shoone Greene is not a problem, he is also not a solution, meaning we “could” have a better back, but we can win with greene, same as MS. The last time we had a TOP 5 QB was before I was born!

  67. By Ablity on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    TO Gary! Wilson is a great young corner, That you are never going to convince me not to be true, he is 5’9 about 190 maybe 200, you expect him to be a run stopping, Do you remember our from 7 in 2009? our linebacks and dline men were making tackle in the backfeild. If a corner leauge you team in tackle, you are doing allot of things wrong. and Wilson is a soild tackler, better Bart Scott i would say, who gets dragged for 8 yards before he maybe wraps the guy up. Wilson coverage has been better. I hated him at first, just like i had Cro at first, and Just like I hated Revis at first, but even before the Taxen game, I have been saying Cro is now the best corner in the leauge, and he proved that and have been all season, Wilson and Cro r geat!

  68. By Charliejet on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Jake – take it easy. A lot can happen between now and 2014.

  69. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, the whole organization is a mess from top to bottom, as virtually all of the posts above except for Ira’s, of course, make abundantly clear.

  70. By SCfromNY on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    We need all the fans to chip in for one of those “40 Years of Bad Football” to fly over the stadium. Yes, Tanny is terrible at signing players and now we are stuck with so much of our money tied up in a few players and we can not create depth. Frank, about players who hate practice but shine in a game I give you GOAT LT (The real one). Coaches with ability recognize these players and play them. Yes we had a lot of injuries and that should be addressed by changing our strenght and CONDITIONING coaches. A couple years ago the Pack had record injuries yet they won big. Ability, you are correct about the 6, I would say 8, elite QBs BUT that does not make the rest all #7s. Mark Sanchez is very far down as an NFL QB. IMO, only Gabbert is is worse

  71. By scjoe on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, a couple of points..You say that S. Hill and Keller coming back is a major upgrade (in so many words) How is S. Hill an upgrade over any of the other WRs we have seen since his absence? I have seen enough to go on the record and say that Schliens should be the starter over Hill. I base that on the fact that Schliens can catch the ball, Hill seems to have a very difficult time doing that. And Keller? He could very well be thee most over rated TE in the game today. I would stick with Cumberland over him as well. Cumberland has some speed, he can catch the ball, and he can also do something Keller can not, block!

  72. By GaryC on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    when was the last time a jet linebacker made a tackle behind the line of scrimmage,when was our last running play,not counting Tebow of more then 10 yards,when was our last sack by a defensive lineman.This is supposed to be a professional team with stats like that.

  73. By scjoe on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Just to continue Tom, let me point out an oxymoron in one of your posts re: Eli and his WRs. You make the point (and it is correct point) that should one of the Giants starting WRs go down others step up, and I would also add that they don’t skip a beat, but then…you have continually over the years gone on record criticizing the continuity with Sanchez and his musical chair WRs. How is Eli doing it then?

  74. By scjoe on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ability, you make some very good points. The stats you quote are all believable and valid. True, there are not enough “elite” QBs to go around. So, you have to be lucky to have one. Next would be a “very good” QB followed by “good” “average” “below avarage” etc. You get the point. Where do you insert MS or TT in that mix? Here is a stat that is also very true that can not be argued. Almost 90% of SB participants over the past 2 decades had “elite” QBs. either winning it or losing it. No way to side step that fact. So, we know all of them can’t win the SB every year, but we do know that if you happen to have one you are much more likely to get to the big show then without one.

  75. By scjoe on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Welcome aboard Stef (or whoever) lets see how long it will take to convert you. First lets ask, how many game have you watched?

  76. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ability, let me respond to one more of your comments, one about Elite QB’s I agree but there is a problem with your theory, we had 43 drafts not one two even three for an elite QB, Failed on every one let me also add we passed on the likes of Marino for Kenny O’Brien Bret Favre for god knows who maybe Richard Todd getting the point

  77. By Tom Spicer on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    SCjoe, Keller has lead the Jets in catches the last 2 years. His stats have gotten better every year he has been in the league. He was Marks security blanket & with Holmes out he is our only proven WR. Hill has played 2 full games 1 of those 2 games he did better than Schiliens has done in 5 years in the NFL nothing Schiliens has done tells me he should be starting for any team at all.

  78. By Tom Spicer on Oct 11, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, Eli is 1 of 5 guys in the entire NFL that can raise the level of the players around him & it took him until his 8th year to get to that point. With that being said with Nicks out they still have Cruz & Martellus Bennett. also the guys that are stepping up are high round draft picks or have been on the team for years not guys that were working in shop rite a week ago (gates & Hill) big difference. My point was about the lack of depth on this team not about the giants or about mark sanchez

  79. By Ron Alexander on Oct 12, 2012 | Reply

    ABILITY, you had me going there for a while. You were makeing a lot of sence until you started hypeing Kyle Wilson.I loved your points about the defence not getting any pressure on opposing Q.B’s and no penetration on running plays.But Kyle Wilson to date has been another complete M. Tannenbaum disaster! He is without a question the worst man coverage corner I can recall seeing in a long time.He is useless against the run. If you record the games, pay attention to where the opponents attack us on 3rd downs.They almost always go after Wilson, Pace ot Thomas.STEPH, come over to the dark side, dont resist, just breath, calmly submit , and come over to the darkside! Or you can join Adam Schein as the only members of the M. Tannenbaum fan club?

  80. By russ on Oct 12, 2012 | Reply

    Jimmy Johnson Bill Parcells…you dont make plays you are cut…you dont practice hard you are cut…We have too many players who dont make plays and am sure their practice is purely mechanical…Best option Get the NFL Football Pass and watch the good teams play..more satisfying and less frustration…

  81. By scjoe on Oct 12, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, I understand the point you were trying to make and I even told you it was a VG and valid point. I am also very happy to see that you are at the point now where you acknowledge the fact that MS just isn’t capable of “making other players around him better” That has been my MO for 3+ years now. As for Hill vs Schliens? Don’t come to any conclusions just yet, not based on 1 decent game as a pro. The knock on Schliens has been his inability to stay healthy, why is S. Hill out of the lineup now? I have said this since day 1. They are exactly the same player, injuries notwithstanding, it is going to take a lot more then 1 game to convince me Hill is the better player, just because he was selected higher.

  82. By scjoe on Oct 12, 2012 | Reply

    Also Tom, regardless of whether Keller is MS security blanket or not, he is not what this team needs as a starting TE. Look around the league, look at the top TEs and compare them in size, speed and stature and blocking ability with DK. Heck, Cumberland fits the bill much more then DK does. Any decent WR or TE can turn out to be a QBs security blanket, that doesn’t make that player an all pro because of it. One last point, you talk about certain players working in shop rite just a few weeks ago, where was Cruz before the Giants gave him a chance? Point being? You never know. It simply does not matter how, where or when a player is acquired.

  83. By chris long time jet fan on Oct 12, 2012 | Reply

    the offense is the weak part it doesnt help defense get the rest it needs…there are 3 phases that need to work as a unit.
    special teams
    enought with the 1minute to minute in a half offense with drop passes and marks good for 1 fumble and 1 interception per game the ony think he is accurate on.

  84. By Jersey Joe on Oct 12, 2012 | Reply

    This has been a nightmare season injury wise – the most devastating long term is Sione Pouha and his back condition. SP had developed into a poor mans Kris Jenkins, collapsing the pocket, shedding blocks, making tackles. He’s not a great pass rush threat but his absence has had a ripple effect – Coples, Wilkerson, Ellis, Maybin and co. are getting doubled and they can’t seem to get off the blocks. A chronic lower back condition is generally a career killer for huge inside D lineman like Pouha. I think it’s best long term if this team goes 6-10 so we can “possibly” hit the draft jackpot next season – lets face it Jets are 5 or 6 impact players away from a Super Bowl

  85. By jetken on Oct 12, 2012 | Reply

    I think for me, being a big jets fan just like everyone else on this page, it really boils down to how good can Sanchez really be? I think he can be as good as Alex smith for instance, but in order for this to happen he needs a great d which he doesn’t have and a great running game which he doesn’t have. Rex u said your team would have these things and it doesn’t. Even without injuries this team was going to be thin and struggle to beat the top teams like Pittsburgh and u know who else. So what do u do, keep throwing under 50 percent and struggle running and go 3 and out over and over and keep sending your tired old defense out there that can’t get off the field until the other team scores? No you try new things isn’t that what your mom and

  86. By jetken on Oct 12, 2012 | Reply

    dad taught you when you were kid? try it you might find something that works. And please don’t tell me you can’t play in a real game because you can’t duplicate what Bart Scott or any of the other old slow linebackers do in practice. If given the chance someone can and will lead this team to victory’s week after week and it might be Mcllroy who knows. This defense needs to be much faster. Has anyone even heard Calvin Paces name this year i know I’ve seen him on the field. The point is, the team you are putting on the field currently can’t get it done so please make some changes or you will be playing for a draft pick and then we have to rely on Tanny. What a viscous circle this is.

  87. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 12, 2012 | Reply

    Agree with you about Keller, scjoe, he’s adequate but not nearly worth the standard Mr T inflated contract. He’s one of the guys I’d let go for sure, along with Greene unless he really starts showing something. The entire RB situation on this team needs to be rethought, as those of us who weren’t caught up in some kind of euphoria about our O’s potential last summer kept saying. And that’s why McKnight and Powell should carry the ball as much as possible for the rest of the yr, so we can see what they got. In any sane Florham Park, Ganaway would still be around to do the same.

  88. By carweezy f on Oct 13, 2012 | Reply

    Always the “fans” that are 50 plus come on here and have so much venom to spit. My solution, go find another team to complain, i mean cheer for.

  89. By Louis on Oct 14, 2012 | Reply

    all these injuried man how they going to do anything

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