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Maybin: Coples ‘Deserves’ That Extra Half-Sack

Posted by Randy Lange on October 17, 2012 – 6:43 pm

Quinton Coples assured reporters today that he’s not in a first-round D-line competition with the Patriots’ Chandler Jones.

“We’re cool. I’m cool with all the defensive linemen who came out in my class,” said Coples. “I’m definitely good friends with him. It’s not about keeping track of stats or anything like that. Before the game we’re going to shake hands and then at the end of the game we’re going to shake hands again. It’s not a comparison thing.”

That being said, it helps if Coples can push two full stacks of chips instead of 1½ stacks into the middle of the table next to Jones’ five stacks for the Patriots.

Did I say stacks? I meant sacks, of course. A scoring change by the Elias Sports Bureau credited Coples with a full sack of Andrew Luck late in Sunday’s game, taking away the half sack originally credited to LB Aaron Maybin on the play. For the game and for his pro career, the Jets’ first-round DT has two full sacks.

On some other team, this could occasion some frazzled feelings, or at the very least a little trash talk. But that’s not the way Coples rolls.

“That’s not important to me. At the end of the day, we got him on the ground. That’s all that matters,” he said. “Whether I get 1½ or two for the game, it was a win.”

And Maybin, who’s been searching for his first sack of the season after racking up six sacks in his third NFL season last year, was also upbeat despite having lost that half sack that he had for about three days.

“Quinton had a hell of a game. He deserved it,” Maybin said. “But hey, that was the kind of game that, while I can’t necessarily be satisfied with it, if you asked me if I was pleased who how the defense played and my involvement in the grand scheme of things, I was.”

Maybin in fact was flying around like he did last season. Before almost sneaking in for that late half-sack, he had back-to-back QB hits on Luck at the top of the fourth quarter. Both resulted in incompletions from the Jets 29. And as Bob Wischusen, the radio voice of the Jets, and I were discussing in the locker room, Coples doesn’t get a sack for his heavy pressure of Luck that resulted in the third-quarter intentional grounding, but perhaps he should.

All of this talk is a roundabout way of saying that maybe the Jets’ pass rush is finally coming to life. Coples, Maybin and DE Muhammad Wilkerson, who also had a very fine game, kept Luck on the move all game, and rookie safety Antonio Allen showed that he could get to the QB as well with his first pro sack in his first pro game — and start — as part of a nickel package.

“Quinton, he’s head over heels better than he was at the start of the season. He’s moving faster, progressing faster,” Maybin said. “I’m excited to see him, a young guy, starting to flash. That opens up things for the rest of us. It’s exciting for all of us.”

And that brings us back to the Patriots. It’s never more exciting than to take No. 12 to the turf, be it at Gillette or MetLife. And Tom Brady’s been sacked 13 times in six games already. But then again, he’s been hurrying up, taking those short drops and flicking the ball to Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd and Rob Gronkowski with amazing frequency.

“I’m just studying Brady, his moves, his offensive tendencies. It’s just a matter of us getting as many details as possible,” Coples said. “This is a rivalry game and we want to make sure we come out on top.”

“At this point,” added Maybin, “I’m trying not to internalize the game so much to where it’s just about him. The game starts and ends with Tom, but there’s so much more that you have to keep track of with their offense. You can’t zone in on Brady alone.”

But at the end of the day, Coples and Maybin wouldn’t mind if the Jets can go into Foxboro and come out with an AFC East victory and if, in the process, they and their defensive mates can rack up some hurries, hits and sacks on Tom Terrific.

Getting in His Face(mask)?

Coples was asked about grasping Luck’s facemask rather blatantly in the third quarter. Some speculated that Luck had a few choice words for Coples at the end of the play, but Coples said the former Stanford QB was quite gracious.

“He just said to me, ‘I know you didn’t mean it,’ ” Q recalled. “We were both in ‘game mode’ at the time, but we talked about it after the game. He wasn’t sweating it at all. We got to know each other before the draft. I definitely think my draft class was very open. The bonds of friendship were there. Regardless of where we went, when we see each other we definitely recognize each other and make sure we speak to each other.”

More civility on the field of battle? What’s the NFL coming to?

Another Roster Move

Rex Ryan announced at his news conference that FB John Conner, the Jets’ fifth-round pick in 2010 who answered to the nickname of “The Terminator,” was terminated, although perhaps only temporarily. Conner, who’s had knee and hamstring injuries that have limited him to 50 offensive snaps over three games, was waived/injured.

Taking his roster spot, the Jets signed free-agent rookie LB Marcus Dowtin from the practice squad. Ryan said re-signing Conner “down the road could be a possibility.” If he’s still available at that time, needless to say.

Injury Reports

The Jets take two steps forward, then one step back in their team health. In the step-back area, RBs Joe McKnight (ankle) and Bilal Powell (shoulder), injured on the same third-quarter series Sunday, both did not participate at today’s practice. Ryan wasn’t tipping his hand on either player: “We’ll see about their availability as the week goes on.”

Five other Jets DNPs were DT Kenrick Ellis (knee), WR Clyde Gates (shoulder), C Nick Mangold (ankle), DT Sione Po‘uha (back) and S Eric Smith (knee). And there were four limited players: WR Stephen Hill (hamstring), TE Dustin Keller (hamstring), LB Bart Scott (toe) and LB Bryan Thomas (hamstring).

The steps forward were the departure of six Jets from the injury list altogether: LBs Nick Bellore and David Harris, CBs Antonio Cromartie and Aaron Berry, TE Jeff Cumberland and T Austin Howard.

The Jets’ 17–player injury list, the shortest it’s been in five weeks, is now available here on newyorkjets.com.

For the Patriots, two players were DNPs up in Foxboro, Mass., today: RB Brandon Bolden (knee) and LB Tracy White (foot).

And 11 Pats were limited: S Patrick Chung (shoulder), WR Julian Edelman (hand), S Steve Gregory (hip), TEs Rob Gronkowski (hip) and Aaron Hernandez (ankle), LB Dont’a Hightower (hamstring), G Logan Mankins (calf/hip), C Nick McDonald (shoulder), CB Sterling Moore (knee), T Sebastian Vollmer (back/knee) and WR West Welker (ankle).

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60 Responses to “Maybin: Coples ‘Deserves’ That Extra Half-Sack”

  1. By MIKE on Oct 17, 2012 | Reply

    Well, even though Coples may be considered a bust in 3 season, he can always say we was 1 1/2 sacks better than Gholston. I would love to see a list of players who were drafted after Gholston and Coples who have numerous sacks. Calieus Campbell, Cliff Avril come to mind.

  2. By sal cottone on Oct 17, 2012 | Reply

    Took my steam away, last time I checked neither is making it to the pro bowl. I don feel so bad, Mario Williams got a little bit of the AFC east bug too that going around the Region!

  3. By scjoe on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Mike, one name that comes to mind for me right off the bat is Chandler Jones. (5 picks AFTER Coples) I remember before last years draft talking Jones up right here on this web site, there were those who asked “Chandler WHO?” because he wasn’t a houshold name like Coples, Ingram, Hightower, or Kuechly. I wont say I am down on Coples, I still think he has the talent and the intangibles to become a good player, but I honestly believe Jones will be the better pro.

  4. By wheels on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    hey Mike. . . COME ON MAN! Its only been six games, and your talking bust in 3 seasons for Couples?

  5. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Realistically, If Tim Tebow were to be traded before the deadline, the only places that at the moment I think would need him are 2 AFC teams: the Kansas City Cheifs and Jacksonville Jaguars. Chiefs need a QB and looks like Jacksonville does too. Those teams need a spark. I respect the heck outta Tebow but we never needed him in NY. It’s all about the tickets, thats what it came down to for Woody.

  6. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    And plus, if Tim is traded to either Kansas City or Jacksonville, both parties would benefit. Tebow would instantly start on those teams, Kansas City no doubt he will. In Jacksonville, people love him too much there that Gabbert would be benched. Jacksonville is Tebow town.

  7. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    I forgot to mention how it benefits us, haha. We could a guy like Bowe, Breaston or Hillis from Kansas or a guy like Laurent Robinson, Potter or Ross. And plus, no disrespect for Tebow on either team. Jacksonville would keep him and if Tebow gets Chiefs to the playoffs, they will re-sign him unlike Elway. Lets make it happen!

  8. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    The guys should all be playing as much as possible, and it woulda been better if we’d only given Pouha, who might not even make the team next yr, the 1-yr deal that was all he deserved. As for Conner, I feel badly that injuries have stopped his career for the moment, but I feel worse that we have a HC who got so excited about picking Conner, a routine prospect from a middling school, at a time when the FB position has practically disappeared from the NFL gridiron.

  9. By IRA on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Its way too early to start to judge a 2012 draft pick. You have to give it at least 2-3 years to have a book on a player. But i did tell you guys C Jones was the best pass rusher in the draft this year. Would like to see Dowtin get a shot to play. He really looked great in the Eagles game at the end of the preseason. He was all over the field of course against players who might not even be in the league. He does have a non stop motor and plays with an attitude.
    It will be interesting to see how Rex plays this game on both sides of the ball. You can’t get into a shoot out with the Pats we just don’t have the team for that. Greene did rush 21-82 last year and Mark did have 2 Td’s and 0 INT’s 16-26 so a mix like that might be the way to go.

  10. By IRA on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Some how some way the Jets must shorten this game and keep Brady off the field to have a shot at this game. Easier said than done. Pats have lost only 16 games @ home since 2002.
    GO JETS!!!!

  11. By Mattman on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    @Mike great comment “Not” Coples will be a good to great player for the Jets he should have had 4 sacks the intentional grounding and facemask penalty. He played well and the coaching staff is bringing him along good

  12. By GaryC on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    you guys need to relax with the coples to gholston bust theories,One was a muscle bound freak with no movement skills to speak of and the other is 6’6 285 with the flexibility of a gymnast.Compare him more to Calais Campbell who came out of Miami and didn’t do much his first couple of years with the cardinals,Tucson Ed probably knows this.and look at him now.Also a guy who’s motor was questioned.

  13. By jetsfan80 on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    I disagree with a few of you on Coples. He is a big, tall, athletic, versatile player who I believe will develop into a real gamechanger on D. Rome wasn’t built in a day, people. 6 games (5 of which he has played limited snaps), 2 sacks…and he’s a bust? Randy, I haven’t tracked this. How many hurries has he got? What about tackles for loss? I see Suggs-like playmaking ability written all over this guy in the future. He’s just adapting to NFL-caliber offensive linemen right now. We drafted him to contribute this year, and contribute he will (IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITIES!). The same goes for D. Davis, S. Hill, and N. Bellore. How much can they contribute? It’s hard to SAY, if they don’t PLAY! Put ‘em in there Rex!

  14. By Randy Lange on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    jetfan80, Quinton Coples is tied with Muhammad Wilkerson for second on the Jets in QB hits with 9 (Calvin Pace has 14) and Q is second in tackles for loss/no gain with 6.0 (Wilkerson has 6.5).

  15. By IRA on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Some interesting RZ #’s. Jets have scored 17 times out of their 19 trips into the RZ. Problem is getting there first. Hope they continue to show improvement on both sides of the ball this week. In some way it got better vs Hou and last week they hit their stride.
    GO JETS!!!!

  16. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    That super quick no huddle of NE will be a problem for gang green. Hope Rex is prepping the D for that.

  17. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    The most underrated unit on this team is the O-line. We appreciate you guys! Especially the always underrated and best guard in the NFL Brandon Moore. And also tackle Austin Howard. He’s done a great great job replacing the dreadful Hunter. O-line was our weakest link before the start of the season, we were all complaining but guys like Howard and jumbo package tackle Jason Smith have put us in our place, thank you. Nick Mangold, best center in the game, enough said. Brick has got his groove back, continues to be a pro bowl tackle and Slauson, although outspoken and emotional has done a fine job. I might be slighty wrong about Slauson but I don’t really understand why he’s splitting reps with Ducasse.

  18. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    The fact of the matter is our GM is bad at drafting. Jones thus far is clearly better than Coples. Hopefully, it Coples takes the lead in a couple of weeks.

  19. By scjoe on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, while your throwing stats out there, how about these, NE, through 6 games has had 4 (FOUR) 3 and outs on offense, more? before losing to Seattle Sunday NE was 13 and 1 vs NFC opponents on the road. Mind boggling stats. Compare those to the Jets over those same time periods, consider, the Jets had 5 (five) 3 and outs in the 2nd half of the SF game alone. I will stand by the cliche “never say never” BUT, realistically, how do you go up to NE and compete with that offense and that team? Oh, nay sayer bashers, please…don’t shoot the messanger.

  20. By SCfromNY on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    I would give the players a longer chance. I think rookies are sometimes so amazed to be in the NFL it takes them time to realize it is the same game as colleger except faster and all team members are “all americans”. We will need our young and fast players if brady uses the “Speed” no huddle. Not counting on much but would like to see better game prep from Rex. The run game will have a bit more trouble against the Pats and the Pats run game will not be stopped as much as we stopped the Colts. Long possessions will wear out the NE defense so when Brady scores quickly we can play against a tired D.

  21. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Re-signing Brandon Moore, Matt Slauson, Austin Howard, Dustin Keller, LaRon Landry is an sbsolute must next season! These 5 have to be the Jets first prioritys!! DO NOT MAKE THE 2011 free agency mistakes.

  22. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    After those 5, we should re-sign guys like Mike DeVito, Aaron Maybin, Jeff Cumberland, Josh Mauga and take care of Revis!

  23. By GaryC on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    It only took about three years for the jets to figure out that youth is the best way to win in the NFL.I will have to give kudos,for once to Plastico and stone mason,without those two guys on this team the jets would have never known how slow they really were.

  24. By GaryC on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Why is it that if the jets had drafted chandler jones I think most of the posters would say that he would have been a bust and if Coples was drafted by the Patriots people would say that they got the best pass rusher in the draft,where are all the Melvin Ingram fans today.

  25. By scjoe on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    How about this quote by Calvin Pace to Cimini re the Patriots hurry up offense? “I wish we would do it” on the surface sounds like a pretty innocent remark, right? But the question, which is a very valid one remains, WHY can’t they do it??? First off, it is not an offense that appears to be that much different then Shotty’s offense, they have been running it with a 4 year starting QB since OTAs, mini camp, training camp, preseason, and 6 games into the regular season, so, why can’t they do it? Anybody?

  26. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Very surprised with the Jets praising the Patriots, especially by Cro. I’ve noticed a kind of trend here, whenever Rex praises the opposite team, a team that is really good like the Steelers, Niners, ztexans, we end up losing. Don’t praise New England too much! Loll

  27. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I remember your championing of Jones very well. Do you really think Rex should’ve backed Coples, whom I agree it’s far too early to make any judgments about, just because he “fits our system better”? After all, our system seems to change from week to week. And Rex’s system seems to be to get excited about fat, slow linemen who can rarely get sacks or play behind the line of scrimmage. Anyway, I’d be up for a replay of your thoughts on Jones at the time.

  28. By Tom Spicer on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    We need to run a 4-3 all game maybe some 4 -2 -5 with Wilkerson & Coples at the DE’S. Pouha & Devito at the DT’S. Harris at the MLB with Scott & Maybin at the OLB’S. This gives us our best chance to get after Brady. The only way to beat Brady is to pressure him or else he is going to pick us apart. We need to put pressure on him without blitzing he eats up the blitz. Cromartie has to cover Llyod he is not as good vs the small shifty guys like Welker. We need Cro to lock down Llyod I think he can do that. This off season our big free agent sigings were Landry & Bell. Well this is what we signed them for Eric Smith & Jim Leonhard were not big, fast or phisical enough to cover Gronk & Hernandez. This is were Landry & Bell come in I am not

  29. By THUNDER LIPS on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    JOnes maybe a better overall pass rusher but Cople is more of an every down DE. he is coming along and will be in good shape. the future D line is looking pretty nice. Ellis, wilkerson and Coples.

  30. By Tom Spicer on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    saying they are going to shut them down. But we need them to do SIGNIFICANTLY better than Smith & Leonhard. Finally Welker I have no idea what we are going to do with him he is going to get his but if we can nuetrilize everyone else he wont be able to signle handidly beat us. I think maybe some 4-2-5 & we double team him with Wilson & Lankaster?

  31. By Tom Spicer on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    On O the Pats are better at stopping the run then they are the pass. Belicheat is going to do EVERYTHING in his power to stop the run. We are not going to be able to run the ball like we did vs the Colts. We need to keep the Pats in the 20′s or less points wise also Mark is going to have to have a good game if he has 1 or no turnovers we have a great shot to win.

  32. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Dwayne Bowe is not happy and wants out of Kansas City, Tim Tebow will not say it but he is not happy with his role and would like to start someplace else, the Jets need a receiver, the Chiefs need a QB change, Tebow will give them a major spark, Bowe would give us a legit weapon. It works out perfectly for both sides. I say make the trade right now. Trade Tim Tebowand maybe Clyde Gates or a couple of undisclosed conditional draft picks for Dwayne Bowe.

  33. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    The only person so far that I know of in the way of this trade would be the stubborn owner of the Jets, Mr. Woody Johnson, who’s concerned not so concerned with the Jets winning games and more concerned about selling tickets. It’s truly unfortunate.

  34. By Ray Carey on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Keys to beating the Patriots. 1. Brady has to be under constant pressure to keep him from completing the 20-30 yard strikes to Welker, Grankowski and Edelman. 2. Woodhead has to be kept to no more than 3-5 yards per run. 3.We need a pick or two from the defensive backs and a strip or two from the Defensive line and linebackers. On the Jets side we need a serious effort from the Offensive line to open up the run. We need to get a time of possesion of at least 60-70%. We need a fumble free interception free game from the offense. Finally we need Sanchez to throw a few deep strikes. It can be done I’d hold off on the punt fakes though. Bellichick will be ready for that trick. We’ll need to score at least 24 points to have any hope.

  35. By Tom Spicer on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, I know you love Cimini well check this out “The Jets didn’t sign a running back this week because of Tim Tebow’s ability to play the position, sources tell ESPN New York. Both Bilal Powell (shoulder) and Joe McKnight (ankle) are out, leaving only undrafted rookie Jonathan Grimes behind starter Shonn Greene. Beat writer Rich Cimini takes that as a “sure sign” Tebow will be involved. Look for him to top his season-high of five carries and handle the short-yardage work. The Jets are going to have to pull all the tricks out of the bag to hang with the Patriots in Foxboro” I love it have him in the game in 2 back sets with Greene, Keller, Kerley & Hill. LETS DO THIS!

  36. By Ray Carey on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    If by chance we beat the Patriots this Sunday do yourself a favor and go online and listen to the streaming Boston sports radio stations. (98.5 The Sports Hub) and (93.7 WEEI) These are two call in shows that focus on the Patriots. The Massachusetts sports fans go absolutely bananas when the Jets beat the Patriots. It is hysterical to listen too. I happened to be in Mass two years ago when the Jets beat the Pats and knocked them out of the playoffs. The entire city went beserk. The callers were so apoplectic that I couldn’t stop laughing. So if we actually do beat Brady, forget S/NY listen to the entire City of Boston whine and cry together.

  37. By Byrdman on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    I think Chandler Jones is a better fit in NE than NY, Pats wanted a speed/type edge rusher as they deploy their version of the 4-3. Jets drafted a big strong hybrid DT/DE who Rex can (and has) line up everywhere. Historically guys (Chander) that come flying off the edge gather more sacks but can get knocked off the ball against the run – Time will tell with these 2 players. Jets still lack that edge rusher but so far WIL/CO (like that one) look like a solid foundation in the middle for years to come hopefully, I’m intrigued by this kid Dowtin and what i’m seeing from Davis so far, I was calling for Vantaze Burfict in about the 6th round last year too – I figure Rex could find a spot for a destructive malcontent somewhere on the :Defense

  38. By Howie D on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Randy: Please set the record straight. How many TDs did Stephen Hill have in the first game against Buffalo?

  39. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    The only TV analyst who seems to support us consistintly is Albert Breer, thank you.

  40. By Randy Lange on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Howie D, Stephen Hill had two touchdown catches in the season opener against the Bills.

  41. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64. I Have one better for you Rex originality when to look at a very good LB prospect if my memory serves, . he saw Conner the exterminator not terminator, make one big block and he was sold. Betting that LB is making his name as we speak on some other team .. while Conner sits taking up a roster spot

  42. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    I hate to sound so negative but I think it will be a close game Sunday but ultimetly a heartbreaker for us. I don’t see us winning in Foxborough. Hope I’m wrong about this.

  43. By scjoe on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Gary, I remember you pulling for Ingram to be the pick over Coples, but do you remember me pulling for Chandler Jones to be the pick?

  44. By scjoe on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Byrdman, again I have to agree with you. Chandler Jones is a better fit as a 4-3 DE. But I tell you what, that may have been the best way to go for the NY Jets in that 2012 draft. By selecting Jones and going to a 4-3 exclusively, you would have accomplished the one thing that contributes most to beating NE, putting pressure on the QB from the front 4. I think Jones and Wilkerson at DE, with Pouha, Ellis/Harrison inside could have accomplished that much better then where we are right now.

  45. By scjoe on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Byrdman, just to keep that QB conversation current, no, no,no, I didn’t mean a Peyton- McElroy competition in Denver. I think Denver wanted McElroy strictly as a b/u and/or to develop. As for Chad? Yes, I agree that by the time he finished out his career that final year in Miami, given all the injuries to his shoulder and arm, he didn’t have a lot of arm strength left. However, I do remember quite a few deep routes that year that were successful. And your analogy of this current Jet team not having the big time D… OR. the elite rocket armed QB is dead on accurate. Then again, what percentage of the teams out there do? 15-20% maybe?

  46. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, I’d sign half of those guys at most and trade Revis. Keller’s not nearly good enough to make a big deal of, Moore’s old, DeVito’s average, and Landry has to play a full season 1st. But I agree on Bowe, if we can get him we can eat the $ and deal Holmes. Problem is, it would take a lot more than just Tebow to get Bowe, more like TT, a #2, and a player, maybe they’d take Gates. Spicer, I saw that Cimini piece on TT at RB and it made me too sick to comment. And yeah, MJV, I remember that story about Rex and the Conner block well. At the time I was more optimistic about Rex but even then I thought, “This is how this guy scouts players? By getting excited about tape on one block?!”

  47. By MIKE on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, Running the 4-2-5 is hell of an idea, although I would feel more comfortable with Wilkerson inside and rotating Maybin, Coples, Pace and Thomas at DE. And giving D. Davis some more playing time at OLB with Scott and big Harris in the middle. On 3rd down you want fresh legs and if you rotate those 4 guys you will have that.

  48. By Tom Spicer on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, In Gary’s defense I was the 1 pushing for Ingram. I did that based off of the Jets needing a pass rushing 3-4 OLB. Which I still think they need Thomas & Pace are DONE!

  49. By GaryC on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe,you have me all wrong,I never wanted Ingram,the guys I talked about were Shea McClellin,Alshon Jeffrey and Nick Perry,Ingram never had a true position,sorry cannot back me in a corner on that one,just ask Jetfantom,he remembers all my posts.

  50. By GaryC on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe,I thought you wanted Trent,the beast,Richardson,for the jets,now it was Chandler Jones,how many guys did you really mention.

  51. By Howie D on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks Randy!

  52. By carl on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Smith had several crushin blocks !! that jumbo package was run with a lot of success, keep it up!!! Maybin is class act all the way!!! need him to drop in coverage a little more ! He is doin a great job of rushing the Q.B. Go Jets!!!!!

  53. By Jake on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, there is no way the Jags would give up Ross for Tebow. There is even a smaller chance for the Cheifs giving up Bowe for Tebow. I think we are stuck with him unless we release him. The Jags and Cheifs wouldn’t even give up a 4th rounder for Tebow when he lead a team to the playoffs (all be it mostly because of his defense and kicking game), why would they give up one of their best players now?

  54. By GaryC on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe,how many north carolina and syracuse games have you watched over the last couple of years,why is chandler jones a better fit in a 4 3 then Coples,NC played 4 3.they had Marvin Austin as one of their defensive tackles,just because the jets play more 3 4 doesnt mean Coples isn’t suited for 4 3.Also when comparing talent look at the conference a guy plays in.Coples went up against Florida State,virginia tech and Miami.while Jones played against college powers such as Connecticut,Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.

  55. By jetsfan80 on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    Good point GaryC, just where is Mr. Ingram’s fan base? and Mr. Ingram himself, for that matter?! Thanks for the stats, Randy. I believe if Coples got to play a similar amount of snaps as Wilkerson, he’s your leader in tackles for loss and he’s much closer to Pace in those QB hits…he might even have a few more sacks. Give him time, guys. C Jones is a pass-rusher, and a good one. I’d still take Coples because of his all-around ability and his awesome length…betcha Mr. Perfect in New England would have taken him over Jones, too, if Coples had been available.

  56. By Byrdman on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    ScJoe – I see your point about the 4-3, The Giants have a D-line that gives Brady’s offense fits. Pats can beat teams who deploy DE edge pass rushers, Brady just steps up into the pocket, their RB’s have always been good at slowing down the blitz too. I’d hoped Rex would take a page out of Coughlins playbook, or we’d grab one of their D-lineman free-agents. Tbomb and Rex have to do a better job on draft day – Bellichick has been drafting 5 -25 spots later than Jets for 10 years and they’re getting younger and better at the same time. Hate to admit it but… I’m not hoping for a win this Sunday as much as praying that our team doesn’t get CLOWNED 55 – 6 Another blowout could plunge the team back to Kotite era Hopelessness

  57. By Tom Spicer on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    Coples played 4-3 DT as a Junior & 4-3 DE as a Senior. Jones was just a 4-3 DE MR.T/Rex saw Coples as a better fit for our 3-4 DE’S than Jones that is the bottom line.

  58. By scjoe on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I saw Jones play a couple of times up at Syracuse, while I only saw Coples once at NC, but at some point you have to look beyond the conference and the competition a player plays in and focus on his individual physical attributes, how and where he fits in to a particular pro system, his individual work ethic, his character, while college competition is a good gauge to evaluate college prospects, it is not the only one, nor is it THEE most important one.

  59. By scjoe on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, Trent “the beast” Richardson is a RB! Chandler Jones is a DE/OLB! But back to your question, “how many guys did I mention?” which I might add, is not a very intelligent question. What does it matter how many guys I “mentioned?” I wanted one in each round! You do realize that player “A” on your list may not still be there when your turn comes up to select, don’t you? For me, Player “A” was Richardson, but I knew he would be long gone. I also liked Decastro G, Reiff T, POE, NT, so, not quite sure I get your point. What really matters is who is available and who they ultimately select. Not who I “mentioned” By the way, how many guys did you ” mention?”

  60. By GaryC on Oct 20, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe,I will tell you my scenario on the draft when it happened,first I was looking for a wideout and someone who can rush the passer,Most people loved Plastico,I never did,that is why I mentioned Alshonn Jeffrey,they ended up with Hill in the second round,second, they needed someone who can get after quarterback,as said before I did not like Upshaw or Ingram,thus I mentioned Shea McClellin and Nick Perry,again the jets got Coples in the first round,In around about way the jets kind of saw my thinking,unlike yourself,who wanted DeCastro,Reiff and you wanted the jets to trade up for Richardson.

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