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Greene and ??? Will Run the Rock vs. Patriots

Posted by Randy Lange on October 18, 2012 – 5:45 pm

What will the Jets’ running back depth chart look like Sunday? Rex Ryan seemed to pull a play out of the old Bill Parcells playbook by saying in so many words, “Lookit, fellas, you’re just gonna have to come to the game and find out.”

Asked if he had a feeling on if RBs Bilal Powell (shoulder) and Joe McKnight (ankle) would be able to play against the Patriots, Ryan replied: “Yeah, I have a feeling on it, but I’m not necessarily going to share it with you. Both of those guys won’t practice today. We’ll see how the week goes on, if they’ll be available or not.”

Might that make RB Jonathan Grimes, perhaps, a candidate for some third-down work?

“I think Grimes will probably be up this week. That’s a possibility,” the coach said. “But to say he’s our third-down back, I don’t think so.”

Which led inexorably to the latest wrinkle in the Tim Tebow tapestry. Could we see No. 15 lining up at tailback behind Mark Sanchez on occasions at Gillette Stadium on Sunday?

That’s a possibility. The thing about Tim, with him being a football player like we’ve always talked about, by playing quarterback, he knows all the positions. Can you plug him in at running back? Can you plug him in at tight end? I think the answer is yes.”

Is that likely? Well, it’s likely that it will spark the next Tebow feeding frenzy. He’s been available in the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center locker room generally on Wednesdays and Fridays. Yesterday he was asked a very preliminary question about playing some RB.

“I don’t know,” he said. “It’s not something that’s been talked or planned or worked on at all, so probably not.”

But that was yesterday.

Shonn Greene is the No. 1 back, of course. He was asked about Tebow at tailback.

“Who’s that,” he replied. “I never heard of him.”

But seriously, Shonn, how do you think Tebow would look carrying the ball in a non-Wildcat role?

“I don’t know,” he said. “I guess I’ll see just like you guys.”

Greene, of course, is coming off of his career highs of 32 carries and 161 yards and a franchise-record-tying three TD runs against Indy. He had 15 of the Jets’ last 18 carries of the game (Tebow had two out of the ‘Cat and Sanchez had a kneeldown) because of the Powell and McKnight injuries.

He was serious about the Tebow angle, saying, “Whatever it takes for us to win,” but that also includes taking the rock 40 times if he has to.

“Whatever they ask me to do,” he said. “I’m ready to do whatever they want me to do. If need be, all the snaps, then that’s what it’ll take to win.”

To be sure, Greene moving the chains and reaching paydirt once or twice would be important pieces to the puzzle of trying to keep Tom Brady and the Pats offense off the field. And it’s something he’s been good at up in the Massachusetts countryside. He’s had three, if not spectacular, at least efficient games running the ball at New England, averaging 4.4 yards on 51 carries with two TDs and 14 first downs.

He said there’s nothing about the Gillette turf or anything else he can remember as to why he runs well at New England. More important, he thought, was building on the momentum he and his blockers finally captured in running the Colts ragged.

“I think so, I think so,” he said. “We have to stay with it. Sometimes it’s not going to be good. We just have to keep consistent with it and we’ll be all right.”

C Nick Mangold was also optimistic about keeping the ground game grinding away, but disagreed that the Jets’ rushing offense, which improved to 15th in the NFL in yards per game but is still 23rd in yards per carry, is now “fixed” after its 252 yards vs. Indy.

“No, it’s another step in the process,” Mangold said. “I think we made good strides, but nothing is ever completely fixed. There’s always something to tinker. So we’ve been continuing to do that and continuing to try to focus and get better.”

Thursday Injury Reports

Injury report movement is a poor predictor of teams’ performances in an upcoming game, but today’s I-movement on the Jets and Patriots lists would appear to favor the Green & White.

For the first time in four weeks, both TE Dustin Keller (hamstring) and WR Stephen Hill (hamstring) were full-go in practice. DT Sione Po‘uha (back), who had sat out the previous seven practices and two games, was limited today, as was WR Clyde Gates (shoulder).

There’s not much concern for Nick Mangold’s ankle, primarily because he came back to play on it after he hurt it in the third quarter against Houston and went the first 58 of the Jets’ 64 offensive plays on it vs. the Colts.

Mangold has been a DNP for both practices this week. Asked how his ankle is feeling today, he said, “It’s fine. How’s yours doing?” As for the prospect of having Vince Wilfork’s 325 pounds leaning on it Sunday, the affable center replied, “That probably won’t help anything. But I assume it’ll be up for the test.”

Meanwhile, the Patriots’ DNP list grew from two to five as TE Aaron Hernandez (ankle), G Logan Mankins (calf/hip) and S Steve Gregory (hip) sat things out in Foxboro along with rookie RB Brandon Bolden (knee) and LB Tracy White (foot).

TE Rob Gronkowski (hip) and WR Wes Welker (ankle) were among the nine Pats listed as limited. New to the limited list was DT Ron Brace (back). New England lists 15 players on its latest report.

Flag Day

We began the season by playing up the number of yellow flags WR Santonio Holmes was getting thrown at the opponents trying to cover him. This week it’s the opposite side of the coin: Antonio Cromartie got four flags thrown at him for his coverage of Colts receivers on Sunday.

The three penalties that were marked off against Cro were all for fouls against Reggie Wayne — two pass interferences, one of which cost him an INT-return TD, and an illegal contact. And his first flag of the day was a holding against Donnie Avery that was declined.

That equaled Cromartie’s high as a Jet, which he established against the Ravens in the 2010 opener with a PI, two holds and an offside, and equaled last season at Oakland when he was caught on two PIs and two holds. So the bad news is that he has one four-penalty game in him per season. The good news is that once that game in the first half of the season is out of the way, he doesn’t have anything close to it the rest of the season.

One other penalty note: Mark Sanchez drew his first hard-count penalty of the season when he got LB Jerry Hughes to jump offsides in the second quarter.


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26 Responses to “Greene and ??? Will Run the Rock vs. Patriots”

  1. By Jack on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Jets Defense need to stop the running game that right Danny Woddhead and they will hope to get to Brady and make a few turn over if they want to win this game.

  2. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    The only update I want on “Santonio” is that he’s been traded for two #2’s. On Revis I’ll hold out for a #1 and a #3.

  3. By Steven on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    If you put the Aussie in at TE you will notice a difference

  4. By MIKE on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Not saying someone should get fired but all in the last year:

    Not made the playoff’s with superbowl expectations,
    Watch your franchise QB struggle almost as bad as Jamarcus Russell
    Had zero ground and no pound, except for last week of course
    had the most dysfunctional locker room in the NFL
    paid a problematic yet talented WR too much guaranteed money
    Sign Drew Stanton, then trade 4th round pick for TT, than get rid of Stanton
    Have more time count violations negative yardage or tmeouts called than positive rushing yards..

    Whats up with that?

  5. By Karan on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Greene and Tebow with a pinch of Grimes.

  6. By Howie D on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Can’t run straight up the middle against the Pats, Wolfolk will have us for lunch. Sanchez might throw away the game, but passing more is probably the way to go, and we must at least test their secondary, it’s weak. I hope the word BOMB is in our vocabulary this week.

  7. By carl on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Randy ! This must have been one the more crazyer years of coverin the Jets?As always you and E.C. and crew on top of all ! Which as a Jet fan I and pretty sure the other bloggers agree . But, Who Are The Jets? I mean are they a running team ? Yeah i know they ran all over the Colts! I think that Rex has been playin with us the whole time !! See how some teams are slumpin mid season.You need to peek at the right time ! Watch this game against Tom perfect and Co. Rex hopefully lets the cat out of the bag !Go Jets!!!!!!

  8. By scjoe on Oct 18, 2012 | Reply

    Why not line Tebow up behind Sanchez? Why not hand off to Tebow? Why not hand off to Tebow again, then go deep to Hill? Why not use Tebow at the TE spot? Why not move from punt formation to a base offense on 4th down if the field position is right with Tebow shifting to the QB spot from the personal protector? Why not do all of the above? After all, the rest of this offense is not going to scare anyone, and I think 24 to 28 points may not even be enough to get a W.

  9. By dougmc on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    “T”-Back…Split him out, put him in the backfield, line him up at tight end or wing back…with no Powell or McKnight at RB, you got to utilize Tebow this week.
    Cro is playing great and gets victimized by refs all the time. Show us you’ve got what it takes this week Sanchez and D-line and we can pull this out.
    J—————E—————T—————S…JETS…JETS…JETS…!!!

  10. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    Here’s an interesting stat from the guy who covers the Pats for ESPN: “A quarterback’s Points Above Average measures the number of points contributed by a quarterback over the season, accounting for QBR and how much he plays, above the level of an average quarterback. Since the start of the 2008 season, no quarterback has cost his team more net points than Sanchez if replaced by a league-average quarterback. Sanchez has been worth -75.0 points to the Jets over his career, worse than JaMarcus Russell, Jimmy Clausen, Derek Anderson and others who eventually lost their starting jobs.”

  11. By IRA on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    Hope the flags settle down for Cro but i can live with them because he is playing much more physical at the line and thats one of the reasons he is having the success he is having. Once he starts giving WR’s cushions well thats when he gives up plays. Especially this week everybody has to make it difficult for the Pats WR’s and TE’s to get off the line. Disrupting their patterns is a big key to stopping them.
    I fully expect to see Tebow not only run with the ball but to chuck a few long passes down field against a secondary that is real bad.
    As for McKnight we will have to wait and see. I would sit him this Pats game is a house money game. Just make sure we beat Miami next week.

  12. By JetBlue on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    What to expect from Pats on D: 8 in the box to stop the run and limit the 2 yd desperation pass MS loves to throw. Heavy pressure on MS forcing bad decisions and turnovers/sacks.
    What to expect from Pats on O: Heavy dose of no huddle showcasing Brady throwing 12 yd outs, mixed in with fast paced run game.
    This is the game we get to see if Rex has any coaching left in him. Pats have holes that can be exploited. Jet’s need to use clock and all 3 downs to move the chains & must be physical on the O-Line. If they show up thinking they’re playing Indy again, it’s going to be a long day. This isn’t the SB, but the Jets need to play as if it was. Send a message. If not, Rex & MS will tell us afterward how they need to play better.

  13. By GaryC on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    Again it has been proven,by the Yankees no less,OLD BONES ARE ONLY NEEDED AT THE SMITHSONIAN.

  14. By jetsfan80 on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    I like the fact that we’re not tipping our hand to anyone until gametime. Make the Pats spend as much time preparing for as many different things as possible for Sunday. How about a flea-flicker from Tebow back to Sanchez and a pass deep to Hill/Kerley…or back to Tebow? or a handoff to Tebow and a reverse to S. Hill or Kerley? a HB pass? I expect to see Grimes in there mostly when Greene isn’t. As far as third downs go, I think Greene will just play more third downs. But who knows with these tricky Jets? Go JETS!

  15. By IRA on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    Another stat just read the Jets are 8-0 ging back to last year when they run the ball 30 or more times in a game.Hope this week they pass that mark.
    GO JETS!!!!

  16. By Karan on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    Shonn always seems to score a TD against the Patsies. I hope he has a big day.

  17. By kleckofan on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    JetBlue- good post, I agree w the assessment of things this week. I don’t know who Cro should cover, there’s no true deep threat on NE.
    JFT64- the sabre metrics in baseball, games won above an average player doesn’t really work for me, too abstract, but I can see an average QB more clearly. Not surprised by the info, Mark has cost the O and the D to decline. Lots of pressure on the D w the giveaways and “3 and outs”.
    We need one of those games where we get Marcia Brady off her game, frustrated and uncomfortable. Whether we do it by using new blitzes, zone coverage, man coverage jamming at the line (not likely w our midget CB’s), or just a great pass rush I don’t know.
    Go Jets

  18. By kleckofan on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    Just read on a news site “real news” that some are calling for Eva Longoria to resign as co-chair of the Obama campaign. Apparently she tweeted some nasty things about the horse Woody is backing. So Woody’s pride and joy QB is hangin w the enemy. There may be a light at the end of the tunnel after all.
    Maybe Woody finally cans “the boy wonder” for purely political reasons!
    Better than fiction

  19. By Tom Spicer on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    If I am Rex I am playing a 4-3 all game long, Wilkerson & Coples at the DE’S starting & bringing the heat to Brady all day. The DT’S with Ellis out are Pouha, Devito & Harrrison in a rotation. MLB Harris & Scott, Maybin & Mcnytire at the OLB’s. Tell Pace & Thomas to take a seat. You know the secondary Landry needs to lay some guys out. Pressure Brady all day!

  20. By SCfromNY on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    I would like to see Cro on Hernandez or Gronk. The other DBs are kinda small. Quickest DB goes to Welker and the rest cover as best they can. More important than anything is to limit 3 and outs. The D will be tested enough without having to come back on the field after 1 minute rest. Jetfan80, I like the style of play you suggest.The flea flicker has been a favorite of mine for decades. However I do not think the Pats will give the Jets time to play around back there. IMO . . . Best plan is for short, quick runs and passes with a bomb mixed in. Don’t bother with a no huddle the Pats practice against it every day.

  21. By Charliejet on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    tom64 – about that 1st,3rd round for Revis. If we did indeed get that, I would then trade that first round pick down and spread it out for a couple of picks. I don’t know that the Jets would be capable of such a “complicated agenda”. As we all know, that is a Belichick, Parcells move not a Tannenbaum move (notice a didn’t even mention Rex – that’s because I don’t even think Rex THINKS on that level.)
    Anyway…..good luck Jets.

  22. By TONY GARCIA on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    JET FAN SINCE 1969. LONG season team is playing with heart,play everyone let the best players finish out.

  23. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 19, 2012 | Reply

    Depend what the draft looks like on trading down, Charliejet. And if we get rid of Mr T and Rex, since they rarely get results out of anything but their #1 pick to begin with.

  24. By jets80 on Oct 20, 2012 | Reply

    Let’s get Coples in their backfield as much as possible. Let’s get our young and fast LBs in their backfield as much as possible. The only way we win is to pressure Brady and he will make mistakes. They will try to run on us as much as possible and if successful will do it all day. Remember many years ago, Namath against the Pats handed off just about the whole day and won easily. They couldn’t stop our run so why pass!!! That will be Belichick’s mantra tomorrow!!!
    GO JETS!!!!

  25. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 20, 2012 | Reply

    News flash, NE has to many weapons,.Players young draft picks, coaches, elite QB. very good TE’s pass rush good run game only weakness back end. Being Sanchez is passing against that back end, advantage in every way NE …So as much as I hate to give them any props, we wouldn’t have had much chance with this motley crew without half the team injured,, sorry

  26. By punchie on Oct 21, 2012 | Reply

    The OLB`s need to rush deep and our big guys need to push the O line back far enough to move brady off his spot and hopefully into the arms of our looping OLB`s. And let hayden smith ruck and mall afew guys. to create some running lanes..

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