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Some Numbers on Bye Weeks, Folk in the Crunch

Posted by Randy Lange on October 23, 2012 – 5:01 pm

By the by, it’s time again to talk about the bye.

No, not the Jets’ bye week, which comes the week after Sunday’s game against Miami at MetLife Stadium. Maybe the banged-up Jets could use a vacation, even some good fraction of a week, but as Herm Edwards said back in 2004: “You don’t have to worry the week before about what happens in the bye week. It’s like going to school at the end of the year. School ends Friday, Wednesday you’re worried about what you’re going to do Friday, then you screw the test up Thursday and you gotta go to summer school.”

A potential danger for the Jets, though, is that the Dolphins are coming off their bye. Does that fact in itself suggest that the ‘Fins are more dangerous than usual to the Jets’ psyche and their desire to sweep their friends from the South?

Depends.

The current data suggests the bye week does help teams, although not a lot. From 2002 through this past week’s games, teams coming off their byes (not counting when two teams coming off byes meet each other) have done fairly well at 162-128, a .559 winning percentage. That’s pretty much what homefield advantage used to be in the NFL.

So for the sake of argument, teams playing the week after their bye, regardless of where they play, see their chances improve to the chances of winning a home game.

That wouldn’t be good for the Jets.

On the other hand, if this year’s new, improved homefield rising tide — home teams are 64-40 this season, a brisk .615 winning clip — lifts all boats, then the Jets could be buoyed by their home crowd and the Dolphins’ bye-week edge could be neutralized.

How about teams playing games before their bye weeks? Does that help any?

Don’t laugh. I asked Edwards about that about a decade ago and he agreed that teams heading into byes — as long as they weren’t worrying about summer vacation — could get a boost. Something about being energized by wanting to go into the bye and come out of it with some momentum for a big second-half push.

Do the numbers support this theory? Yes and no.

If you go by the 2010 and ’11 seasons, games before byes were a good thing. Teams produced a 31-19 record in those games, a .620 winning percentage.

But this advantage seems to come and go every few years (or doesn’t really exist). In 2006, NFL teams in before-bye games were 12-20, in ’09 they were 12-18, and so far this year they’re a paltry 4-12. The bottom line: From 2002 through Week 7, before-bye teams were 148-148. That’s a coin flip.

How about the Jets and Dolphins alone? The Dolphins are 4-6 since ’02 in post-bye games. This includes last year’s 24-6 Monday night loss to the Jets. The Jets are 4-6 in pre-bye games since ’02, but have won three of their last four — thumping Arizona in ’08, squeezing by the then-Tebowing Broncos in Denver in ’10 and rerouting Philip Rivers and San Diego last season.

In fact, the Chargers came to MetLife off their bye last year, which anecdotally suggests that maybe pre-bye teams have an edge over post-bye teams. Eh, not so much. Since ’09, pre-byes and post-byes have met 16 times. The record: 8-8.

I honestly wanted to bring you some telling trend on bye-week team performances in advance of the Jets-Dolphins, but apparently I feel strongly both ways.

But Chad Pennington left no doubt about his feelings when asked before the Jets’ pre-bye game at Cleveland back in ’06.

“We know it’s important to win every game,” Pennington said. “in this league you can’t say, ‘Well, we can drop a game here and we can let off in this area,’ because you never know what game is going to be a deciding factor on whether or not you’re able to make it into the playoffs. So every game is important for us.”

Interestingly, Pennington’s Jets lost that road game at Cleveland, 20-13, to settle at 4-4 at the bye, then won six of their last eight to finish 10-6 and reach the playoffs.

Folk Tales

Here’s a strange note about Nick Folk. Whenever his NFL team gives up an early kickoff-return touchdown, he kicks a late long-range field goal.

In 2007, Terrence McGee had a kickoff return for Buffalo, but Folk nailed a 53-yard FG with no time on the clock at Ralph Wilson Stadium to complete the Cowboys’ memorable 25-24 Monday night comeback win over the Bills. The next year J.J. Arrington took one to the house for Arizona, but Folk’s 52-yarder, again at 0:00, sent that game to overtime, where the Cardinals won, 30-24.

Then on Sunday, Devin McCourty cut loose for his 104-yard first-quarter return. Folk responded with one of his best games as a Jet, going 4-for-4 with makes from 54, 43 and 43 yards. The final 43 gave the Jets their short-lived 26-23 lead with 1:37 to play.

That may be strange coincidence, but this about Folk is money in the bank: He has moved to second-best among all NFL kickers (since 1991, including playoffs, at least six tries) in fourth-quarter FG percentage. Folk is 41-for-43 (95.3%) in fourth-quarter kicks. First is Denver’s Matt Prater (28-for-29, 96.6%). Third is New England’s Stephen Gostkowski (48-for-51, 94.1%), who kicked the game-tying FG as time ran out in regulation and the gamewinner in OT.


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59 Responses to “Some Numbers on Bye Weeks, Folk in the Crunch”

  1. By russ on Oct 23, 2012 | Reply

    Why did we give up a 4th rnd draft pick for Teebow if we dont use him?That 4th rnd pick could bbe used for aneeded linebacker of recver…I think the best option for the Jets would be to consider trading Reevis for two first rounders and couple of 3′s from a hungry NFC team like Dallas or Green Bay…the team is in need of linebackers recvers and OL in next two drafts this could do it..just a thought for Tannenbaun to consider……

  2. By sal cottone on Oct 23, 2012 | Reply

    what will it bring, are they going to Tebow, which most analyst said would happen if sanchez struggled, of course he had a good game with Romo like misques, and that was probably his second best outing of the year. I would like the to let him run the offense, get another vet in at wideout, and back off the ground and pound thing. Its his future they put alot into Sanchez. If his confidence is up play him if not sit him. I will be at the game right behind them. 4-4 at the buy I will take thinking it was going to be alot worse, and the Pats playing just as well and only one game up. But a warning this is NY dont loose this week.

  3. By steven on Oct 23, 2012 | Reply

    It’s time to put the Aussie TE into the lineup. He’s big and strong and fast and nobody is going to be able to stop him. If he makes a few mistakes, big deal, he won’t be doing any worse than the rest of the team. He carried a whole rugby team on his back and he can carry a few tacklers past the markers. He’s an easy target for sanchez against those itty bitty DBs.

  4. By IRA on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Folk so far is having a great year. I think Brown really pushed him this summer and now is paying off. Hope it continues.
    This weeks game vs the Fish is so important to both teams. I believe the team thats loses this game will fall out of the race to stay in the mix for a WC spot. The Jets MUST win this game. I don’t care how they must find a way. Its time to step up and win a big game. Its not going to be easy i think the Fish are a good team and their D will surely push the Jets. Good thing is they have Keller this time around who owns the Fish. Sanchez has to be on his game this week there is no way the Jets are going to be able to run the ball this week. I would be shocked if they can rush for 100 yds as a team.
    GO JETS!!!!

  5. By SCfromNY on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Just a couple of ramblings in the middle of the week. Top RBs can all run between the tackles or go wide when needed. Greene has not shown that he can do this. He is a decent back but as a #1 RB we need one with more versitility. That could be McKnight but if not lets look for a RB with these attributes. Note to Rex: NOT another FB. Only 7 games into season but those who complained about Landry should be silenced. I hope he is signed long term or he will be in NE next year.Watched Montana’s 10 best games. Now while Montana was special he was a 3rd round pick. So many of his passes were short BUT YAC was fantastic because he almost always put the ball where it was easy to catch and in stride with the WR for YAC.

  6. By Frank on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer…so comical. I only come out of the wood work when the team loses? really? I have been posting year round on this site since Randy started the radar. Again you show how small you are….attacking me is not going to make Jamarcus Sanchez any better. As a matter of fact it is comical how all the apologists continue to blame everything around Sanchize-Not for his abysmal play. The O-line stinks, the O-Coordinators fault, the receivers dropping passes and our RB’s stink…yada yada.
    The one constant in all of this is Jamarcus Sanchez and his lousy numbers over the last 4 years and being consistantly in the bottom of the QB rankings. Other than the team carrying him in the playoffs the first 2 years and giving him a 4-2 playoff record…

  7. By Frank on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    …He absolutely stinks and I am tired of rehashing his deficiencies. We are in year 4 of Mangini with this guy and I am done. We need a new QB its that simple and until we get one it this team will never win a championship that window closed already.
    As for our D I said iyt before the season with Revis. I posted here that we should trade him no one other than the QB is worth 15-16 Mil per year. The best thing that ever happened to this team was losing out on Asomugha. Now that Revis is hurt we probably wont get the high draft picks we could have gotten for him. The D is playing better with him out of the line up. Trufant played Welker better than any DB on our roster ever has. We still can’t cover the TE’s Davis was awful in pass coverage.

  8. By Tom Spicer on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    These are some of the guys who have caught passes from Mark Sanchez this year. This shows you 3 things 1 MR.T has given him no weapons to throw to 2 The amount of injurys we have had 3 That Mark has been throwing to a bunch of scrubs. 1 Dedrick Epps 2 Jonathan Grimes 3 Lex Hiliard 4 John Conner 5 Konrad Reuland 6 Jason Hill 7 Clyde Gates 8 Patrick Turner 9 Chaz Schilens 10 Jeff Cumberland. Talk about the Bad News Bears. Clearly Holmes being out the last 4 games & being out for the year, Keller missing 5 games & Stephen Hill missing 3 games has hurt the Jets & Mark Sanchez. I think it is safe to say if we had Holmes, Keller & Hill for the whole year the Jets would have at least 1 more win maybe 2 (Pats & Texans)

  9. By reno on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez had a good game, the turnovers were not really his fault. He is getting better every game and every season so far. Maybe if he had a little more FAN SUPPORT he would do MUCH better. I for one am sick of reading these concieted no-it-alls like jet fan 64 what-ever-its is puting down this team. Mark Is a good QB and he already proved that in big games. Not his fault with all the injuries and Tebow coming in and out like musical chairs I just don.t think so called fans like jet fan whossit are good for this team, the just think the are so cool and like to hear themselfes talk, no real knowledge of the sport. You can tell this so called “jet fan” never played the game or any sports, except maybe golf, like many of us did by what he writ

  10. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Woe Frank, that is some fine bitterness. I admire your you. I must contact my agent and see if we can put you in charge of the Belligerent Bitter Blinka followers.

  11. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, the problem is that Sanchez doesn’t throw consistently accurately enough no matter how good the protection is or who the receivers are. At this pt, any Jet fan who doesn’t see this simply isn’t watching the games very closely. 4 yrs is a long tome for any QB to be making the same mistakes that MS is making. If he doesn’t completely turn it on and play lights out the rest of the yr, there’s no real argument for keeping him because he’ll never work as a #2 in this town. As for Tebow, he should be traded immediately for whatever we can get.

  12. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Frank I totally agree. Spicer is there anyone anyone else you’d like to blame other than the real culprit. Were any of the players you mention taken # 5 in the draft, were any of them paid millions, were any of these players responsible for him constantly turning the ball over every time we need him to deliver, are any of them solely responsible for him being Ranked near or at the bottom since he arrived,I’m getting so tired of your constantly blaming everyone else on this team and apologizing for him, He just can’t cut it, Next, Time to Package Holmes and Revis send them to some other deserving team and address our real needs. First and foremost a QB, Big Blocking TE, and Pass rusher

  13. By reno on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    When someone told me about this site and I checked it out it is so weird. You got guys like jet fan whatever that post these long rambling none stop posts It’s like they eat thier meals at the computer so they can wait to read their stuff and they know the least about the game. Then you have these guys that post short and once in awhile and they know alot about the game. It is all backwards. To the ones that post non stop, all day long. the long winded ones like jet tom whatever who don.t make any real contribution cause they never played, all I can say is man you got to get a life, your the ruin of this site, surprised they don.t cut you off after 10 in one day.

  14. By GaryC on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    If the jets are going to do checkdowns put Reuland in the backfield,he can block and he has shown better hands and more speed then Greene.what is the over under on how many more games we see Pace and Scott as starters.Pace has never been the same since he had the foot injury and Scott hasn’t been the same since he left the side of Ray Lewis.

  15. By Jersey Rich on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Lose against the Fins, & the Bye week, probably becomes a BYE-BYEweek

  16. By scjoe on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, for just a few minutes lets put aside all the other Jets inadequacies, and I would be the first to agree they have others besides the QB. But agree or not, like it or not, the QB is the focal point of any pro team. You should know that as well as any of us because you constantly bring up the 2 championships HE led us to. I think the difference between you and most others on this site is the fact that you are OK when he has a “decent” game, ecstatic when he has a “good” game. But in the grand scheme of things, is that really acceptable? Is having a good game every once in a while really acceptable? Has it gotten us a win over a top team anytime recently? What he needs to be is consistently “good” and even that is setting the bar a little to low.

  17. By scjoe on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, just to continue, what type game would you say Sanchez had this past Sunday? Considering the INT, the 2 fumbles, taking those 2 sacks at probably THEE most inopportune time, and missing on at least a half dozen passes, would you say it was a “decent” game? A “good” game? A “great” game? For me, I would give him the benefit of the doubt and say he played a “decent” game. I believe that if he had played a “very good” game or a “great” game the Jets win! Would you agree with that statement?

  18. By scjoe on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, how many other teams out there have a full stable of “elite” WRs for their QB to throw to? I would say the “average” team has one good receiver (whether that is a WR or a TE) and a few other workable receivers. Sure, there are a few teams out there who have one “elite” receiver, then there are those who don’t even have one “good” one, so I based the “average” on those stats. So I would have to disagree with that being any kind of legimate excuse. Other “franchise” QBs do it

  19. By Tom Spicer on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, I am not attacking you I am stating a fact. When the Jets win you do not post that week. When the Jets lose you come & post about how bad Mark Sanchez is. This is a fact I did not say you are a bad person or anything neagtive about you at all I am just stating what I see. Win or lose there are guys that are hear evry week & you are not 1 of them.

  20. By IRA on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, Thats is correct Trufant kept Welker in check. Their coverage and blitz schemes are different now without Revis but he will be 28 or 29 and this team as a lot of holes to fill. While i would love to see Revis finish out his career with the Jets i think the smart football move is to trade him when the time comes and get as many picks as you can or keep him and then trade Cro. Can’t keep both it makes no sense.

  21. By Tom Spicer on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    In the prior post SCJoe said the Jets have to win 2 out of there next 4 to still be in playoffs contention. I will go a step further the Jets have to win 3 out of the next 4 to still be in playoff contention. 1 We have to beat Miami at home 2 We have to beat the Rams on the road. To have any hope of winning the division we have to beat the Pats next time we play them at home or in order to still be in playoff contention we have to beat the Seahawks on the road. If we are not at least 6 & 5 after the next 5 weeks. IT IS OVER!

  22. By GaryC on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Oh yeah,we have no receivers,How does Kerley grab you in his second season,Hill,a rookie with 3 touchdown catches with missing time,I know,I guess we were better off with Plastico,Mason and I will throw Holmes into it,These three tried to undermine Sanchez at all times.No wonder the jets were a ticking time bomb last year.I like the make up of this team.

  23. By Frank Verde on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets went to NE and lost. Well, every team loses at NE. You say there’s no talent, everyone‘s a bust. We went to NE without our #1 CB, vet safety, #1 & #2 NTs, etc., and held Brady’s offense to 17 points in regulation. But, you say there’s no talent. Then, Rex and MP are colossal geniuses.

    We went to NE without our #1 WR, #2 RB, #3 TE & a hobbled #3 RB, and moved the ball 400+ yards with play action, receivers open all over the field and more opportunities for enough yards to win. But, you say there’s no talent. Then, Tony is a colossal genius. I’ll wait for Eric, Ellis, Sione, Powell, McKnight, Nick and even Gates to heal. I’ll wait for the college kids to learn the ropes in the pros. You SAY there’s no talent. We’ll see.

  24. By SCfromNY on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Just listened to Rex’s news conference. Many people complain about Belichic being boring and saying the same thing but Rex and Sanchez in a better way say the same thing. I am still sitting in disbeleif about Sanchez’s “Giddy” comment. How can you be “giddy” when you lose a game? Especially while blame, not all of it, sits on you. I think Rex can motivate but I would give Sporano his walking papers if we are out of playoff contension. Hire an interm you can evalute for next year. Find out what Jay Gruden contract has left. No one would disagree that we need better WRs. I think a valid #1 is all we need. Kerley will do well in the slot, Hill should improve and the rest are OK as backups. More important than that is a QB who knows how to play

  25. By TONY GARCIA on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    JET FAN since 1969. IT’S long season,i post this all the time let everyone play best players will be left standing.PURGE the ones who did not make the cut regardless of experience and salary.

  26. By SCfromNY on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry ran out of space. The QB needs to see the field, understand defences, make quick SOLID decisions, and limit errors. The early comparrisons to Cam and Sanchez are coming true BUT not in the way we hoped. Tebow needs to go. He is an obstacle to Sanchez and having a viable backup. We need to see if McElroy can play before we release him and he goes to a pro bowl. When a game gets out of hand, and one will, put him in and see if preseason results in prime time are Montana or Ratcliff. Sanchez is a nice had working player, BUT like Tebow is not an Elite QB and never will be. Check out the QBs of winning SB teams and even losers. Sorry Spicer his playoff wins and AFC Champ. losses have worn off. The NFL is, “What have you done lately!

  27. By Who cares what Blinka thinks on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Fortunately when this season is over, we will have our answer about Sanchez.

    Those here who defend him, keep bringing up his lack of receiver’s around him. I think that is an excuse. I have seen and played against many good QBs who made their receivers. Receivers who were nobody’s until the QB played well.

    I said before that I think he works hard and that he is a good guy, but I am not a Sanchez supporter. I don’t see the leadership and woeful inconsistency are the road blocks to him being a good QB.

    But we still have nine games to play for him to turn it around. I don’t think he will

    Eh, who cares what I think. No one sells my jersey,
    #54

  28. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Reno, was that someone a Patriots fan, great another critic, guess if you are a Jets fan you haven’t been around long enough. or the theory as some here are satisfied with . long as we lose with style it’s OK to lose. ..

  29. By Who cares what Blinka thinks on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Ira,

    I see linebacker, running back and QB as the holes. How about you?

    Thanks,
    Blinka

  30. By Belligerent Blinka on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez is going on four years now of being at the bottom. Come on you supporters, wake up and smell it.

  31. By Tom Spicer on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    SCfromNY, Where does it say that Mark Sanchez or any Jet were “giddy” after the Pat loss cause I would love to read it?

  32. By Tom Spicer on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, “Considering the INT, the 2 fumbles, taking those 2 sacks” 1 He threw A pick even the best of the best throw a pick a game 2 2 fumbles I only remember 1? 3 taking 2 sacks? I only remember 1 of the sacks but that sack he had a defender around his legs & he was trying to throw the ball. Nickovish hit him he lost the ball after the game. Mark said he never saw Nickovich. I would say if a guy hits you that you dont see that is not “taking a sack”. Everyone misses passes every week multiple passes. He completed 68% of his passes how many is he supposed to complete 80% that is not realisitc. Also 90 rating, 68% completion percentage, 328 passing yards & 6 completions over 20 yards is hardly a “decent” day cause if that is than 90% of NFL

  33. By Tom Spicer on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    QB’S dont average a “decent” day. Also Brady had 2 balls which hit our defenders in both hands 1 was dropped by Cromartie & the other one I dont recall who dropped it. Does that mean he had a “decent game”?

  34. By sal cottone on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    If the rambling of frustrated jet fans has any impact on the way anyone plays, they should be playing sandlot or in Canada. Sanchez is not a good qb, he has his moments, like most that play in the NFL, even Ryan Leif had his moment or two. does he have the arm to be good, I dont know, what I do know he, is going into year 5? If he gets off the top of the list in missed open recivers attemts. Maybe he will be average!

  35. By Ray Carey on Oct 24, 2012 | Reply

    I’m sure Mark Sanchez would be a great guy to invite over to a barbecue. I’m sure he loves his mother and brushes his teeth twice a day. The problem with him is he is not and never will be an elite NFL Quarterback. He doesn’t have the instints to see the blitz and dump it off. He telegraghs his passes to whomever he intends to throw it to. His specialty is the 5-10 yarder straight up the middle and he is only 50-50 on target with them. He doesn’t know when NOT to throw it. He is not very good at escaping the defensive lineman who’s passed his blocker. Al in all I think Eva Longoria was right- It is time to dump Mark Sanchez. Trade him if we can, or make him backup. Give Tebow one or two games to prove himself and then try McElroy.

  36. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Hey reno, you wanna get personal? I’ll leave you in a heap of tears over your worthless, illiterate life, which undoubtedly hasn’t included the fraction of the 50 yrs that I’ve spent playing, coaching, and watching football. And your envy of people who can string two words together on a subject is showing pretty badly. Don’t come inside with that weak stuff ’cause this site for guys who can take a blow and deliver one once in awhile if they feel like it. You don’t seem to be able to read, write, or spell, much less make any points that would enable you to keep up with the folks who post here, some of who are as sick of losing as you’re willing to make excuses for it. Mark is a great QB, yeah, right…

  37. By Jake on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    I’m sorry, I can’t and will never support trading Revis. He’s the Ray Lewis of our team. I can’t even begin to think of him in another uniform. Those of you that are calling for trading him, I pose this question, do you trust our front office (Mike T, and Woody) to use the picks we would get for him wisely? I don’t think they will use them correctly. We will end up with more first round busts and watching a once in a generation player play in another uniform. Maybe if we had Bill Parcels incharge of our player personel then okay, but I’m sorry I can’t see trading Darrelle for draft picks that have a 75% chance of flopping.

  38. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Well, we lead in something. This is also for you, reno, since you’re such an astute observer of QB play: “In a Sports Illustrated poll that asked 180 NFL players to identify their most overrated peer, two New York Jets quarterbacks came out on top — or bottom, depending on how you look at it. Tim Tebow was pegged as most overrated by a whopping 34 percent of players. The man he backs up, Mark Sanchez, was second with 8% of the vote.”

  39. By Charliejet on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Gary C – Demario Davis is now the starter – Scott benched (according to “NFL sources”) we can only hope…

  40. By ELI RODRIGUEZ on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    RENO: welcome, to Jets Nation, WHERE EVERYONE OPINION MATTERS, ONE TIME OR 100TIMES. YOU HAVE POSTED ONE TIME ON THIS ARTICLE AND YOUR CONTRIBUTION WAS…….?
    M.S. AND EVA LONGORIA SPLIT UP— (SPICER) IF M.S. HAS A BAD DAY, I KNOW IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HER FAULT……..LOL!

  41. By JetBlue on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Reno: You’re picking on the wrong fans. The fans who post the truth and live in the real world are the ones who are so tired of losing and disappointment. When the Jets lose a game like this past week to the Pats, I wake up in a bad mood the next morning. Why? Because I so desparately want to see my team succeed – like the NY Rangers did in 94. It’s so easy to sopt a bad QB and a clueless head coach, because we’ve seen so many of them pass thru over the years. So post what you want, but don’t criticize what you can’t understand.

  42. By GaryC on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    ScfromNy,you need to have some body of work,four playoff victories is a start,not the ultimate goal as of yet,until all these other wonderful qbs that jets fans want,Dalton,Newton,Ryan,Freeman,let them win at least one playoff game before you are ready to jump ship on Sanchez.Newton is showing more signs of being Ryan Leaf,ready to explode if the panthers don’t win soon,will Ryan put up any points in the playoffs this year,not like what happened last year.

  43. By THUNDER LIPS on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    i have one question and one question only. HOW DIED REULAND COME UP WITH THAT FUMBLE RECOVERY. Nice work son. I agree with you all here who say that old timers gotta go. Scott makes one good play a game (always against the run) and then he is non-existent. and PACE looks like a senior citizeb out there.Rex has to cut his ties with his buddies and look toward the future. we play our young guys and let them develop as we have been doing and we still make a a run at the WC that is fantastic. with cap issues you cannopt build your team through free agancy any more. it has to be through the draft.

  44. By GaryC on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    CharlieJet,thanks for the update on the scott benching,I am glad that some of the jet bigwigs are starting to come to the side of the fans,age is only a virtue if you are collecting social security.

  45. By kleckofan on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Reno- you have earned my often used, “here’s 200 bucks, buy a vowel”. Are you kidding’ me? These negative posts are impacting Mark’s play? really? Please don’t cause our family of posters to give their credentials as players and fans, you’d be overwhelmed and embarrassed. Get your head out of your you know what and analyze, son, you’re drinking the bad koolaid.
    I continue to point to those in the NFL circle as valid consideration of where Mark’s skills stand. NFL Network last night: entire panel said they would take Tannehill at this point over Sanchez “has not showed any improvement”, Now the current players rate him among the most over-rated. It’s not just a bunch of “frustrated jocks who hate Mark”, he’s not getting it done. Period

  46. By kleckofan on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe- thanks for picking up on the idea that few QB’s are “surrounded” with gifted skill players. Most are not. It’s funny that those that have dissed Cam as over-rated are now seeing the same “he has no one around him” comments being made. You can’t say it for Mark and not allow some leeway to the other.
    On to more pressing matters…I agree w Ira that the Fish will absolutely take away the run this week. I sincerely hope we trade Tebow, but while we have him lets be creative, man, I watch college teams work the wildcat in outrageous, tough to defend ways. Now, maybe its because its college that it works, but lets do something other than 2 gap dives out of it!

  47. By Tom Spicer on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Eli & Mcelroy is the next Joe Willie LOL!

  48. By Belligerent Blinka on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Reno,
    To actually spend the time to think about ridiculing us bloggers to me is a real sign that YOU need to get a life.
    Nevertheless, your belligerence is admirable and you belong on my team of belligerent bitter bloggers.

  49. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Blinka., Just on sheer effort #54 should be a seller in my book, I have one, Don’t let it go to your head though. Ha.. I am one who believe’s comparing Sanchez and Cam newton is only hype verses more hype, difference one has been around 3 years longer… until Cam accomplished’s something other than flexing and grinning in Gator aid commercials, and hopefully he’ll get over himself because he’s just another rookie until he makes his mark in my opinion,

  50. By ron alexander on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Reno, ever hear the expression ‘never go to a gun fight with a knife”? Well thats exactly what you did takeing on Tom 64. No offence as I dont know you but 64 does contribute here and is generally well respected. No one has a problem with you coming here and offering opinions but may I suggest you at least start in a more cival manner? Hey, if you wanna take this the wrong way and come at me, bring it on! But am merely offering a constructive suggestion to make everyones visits here more pleasnt. Can we start over?

  51. By kleckofan on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    News Flash-
    John Clayton “the doctor”, among the most respected NFL analysts out there, rates Sanchez’s contract as the third worst in the NFL, after Chris Johnson and Michael Vick…another (unbiased) nail in the coffin. I’ll keep this short so Reno thinks it’s intelligent.

  52. By scjoe on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    64, and others. I wouldn’t even give “reno” or who ever he wants to call himself this week (Carol, CFS,realjetfan, etc) the satisfaction of responding. I think he will take a hint.

  53. By Joe on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Despite the fact that we have not beaten a team with a WINNING RECORD IN TWO YEARS AND OUR STARTING QB IS RANKED AS THE WORST IN THE NFL THE DELUSIONAL JET FANS LIVING IN A FANTASY OF SB VICTORYS TO COME ARE OUT IN FULL.Winning games and titles is so overrated in the NFL Who cares if Sanchez is paid tens of millions of dollar to produce numbers that MOST ROOKIE QBS EASILY BEAT .Despite all the negitivity the guy maintains his sense of humor .(ANY FAN THAT VIEWED HIS POST GAME NE PRESS CONF saw him ABSOLUTELY GIDDY )

  54. By Joe on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Reno if you cant STAND THE TRUTH TOM BRINGS TO THE FORUM I SUGGEST YOU MOVE TO ANOTHER SITE .Your good QB has not won a game against a winning team in 2 years AND IS RANKED AS ONE OF THE WORST QBS IN THE NFL.The organization HASNT WON A TITLE IN 40 PLUS YEARS AND A LOT OF US ARE TIRED OF THE LOSING AND EXCUSES. You want to live in SOME FANTASYLAND FINE (THATS YOUR BUSINESS )BUT HOW DARE YOU SLAM TOM FOR TELLING THE TRUTH

  55. By Joe on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Sanchez is getting 50 million bucks to play football and the negitive posts are effecting his play NOW THATS A GOOD ONE

  56. By Joe on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Tom (not that you need any help )but we ALL got your back. GIVE THIS GUY A REALITY CHECK HE OBVIOUSLY NEEDS ONE

  57. By Sarasota Sam on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Reno, You hit a lot of nerves. What else you got?

  58. By GaryC on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    guys,give Reno a break,we know what’s legal in Reno,he just was suffering from a little delirium after a night on the town.

  59. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Joe, I already got rather personal with this reno dude/dudette/fraud/imposter/whatever he-she-it is, but thanks for your support. I must say, Randy, I’m a little surprised when you run these posts in which people attack other people in purely personal terms rather than on the basis of their comments about football. I don’t see the point in printing that jive as all it guarantees is an equally personal post in response, which no one with any cojones is going to hesitate to make. Thanks for the tip on the possible identity-switching with this poor soul, scjoe, since I just take a break from work to post quickly and then go back to work, it would never occur to me that anyone would be that craven.

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