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Bart’s Big Toe Woes Could Sideline Him Sunday

Posted by Randy Lange on October 25, 2012 – 5:31 pm

The season began with a story of Bart Scott’s rebirth — lost weight, increased speed and strength — but it has developed into a tale of toe woe for the 11th-year linebacker.

“It’s tough. It’s like losing a thumb on your hand. Everything you do comes off your big toe,” said Scott, who said he injured the painful digit on the second defensive play of Game 3 at Miami and isn’t sure of his availability for Sunday’s home rematch against the Dolphins.

Scott, who spoke to reporters after today’s practice at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center, said the toe has been “beat up” since his college days at Southern Illinois. He described this latest episode as basically “turf toe, ligament damage, capsule strains and things like that. You’re talking about running on a toe that’s not all the way in the socket and it’s loose and swollen and you’re wearing an extra large shoe.

“I’ve always prided myself on being able to have a high pain tolerance and to be able to play through things. I just want to show my teammates that I’m willing to bite down and continue to play and do what I can to help us win,” he said in the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center locker room following today’s practice. “If we have to shut it down, we shut it down. If not, then we’ll be ready to go.”

Shutting it down for a game is not something Scott has done in a long time. Since 2004 with the Ravens, he has played in 119 consecutive regular-season games, the fifth-longest streak among active NFL linebackers and the eighth-longest among all active defensive players. Throw in 10 playoff games and the streak reaches 129 consecutive games. For the Jets, those streaks are 55 straight regular-season games played and 61 straight including playoffs.

Then as far as starts go, he’s started 111 of the last 113 regular-season games, and 121 of the last 123 including playoffs, and with the Jets it’s 53 starts in 55 games, 59 in 61 including playoffs.

The only start he didn’t make last season was Game 5 at New England, when the Jets opened with seven defensive backs on the field against Tom Brady and company. Then on Sunday he missed another start at Foxboro and played in what was likely an eight-season low of nine plays on defense and 16 total.

“Whatever is best for the team. I don’t care about a streak,” Scott said about the possibility of missing this start. “I care about helping my team win and trying to win a championship. That’s always been my primary goal, and that’s why I came here. If helping the team best is for me to be on the sideline and help these young linebackers see what’s going on and help slow the game down for them, then I’ll do that. If it’s biting down so we can get to the bye at 3-1 in our division, then that’s what I’ll do.”

The one young linebacker most impacted by Scott’s injury is third-round rookie Demario Davis, who was in for the most plays of his young career and the most among the Jets on Sunday, 98 total and 69 plays on defense.

Despite the difficulties, Scott did make one contribution vs. the Patriots, tackling RB Stevan Ridley for a yard loss on the Pats’ third-quarter touchdown drive. He’s tied for the Jets lead at 4.0 tackles for loss this season, and he leads the Jets in TFLs from 2009 to present with 25.5.

Scott’s being benched, as some reports had it today, doesn’t quite capture the situation, as head coach Rex Ryan explained at his news conference today.

“New England did a lot of stuff where they put him in space with a lot of empty sets, four and five receivers,” Ryan said. “Normally I like to keep Bart out there. But if he can’t change directions in space as well as he normally can, we’ve got to do what’s best for our football team. Is he going to be 100 percent this week? No. Hopefully when that bye comes, we’ll rest him that whole time and he’ll have two weeks to get ready for Seattle. Hopefully that will really help him.”

The Rest of the Injury Picture

Aside from Scott, the Jets’ health continued to slowly improve. DT Kenrick Ellis (knee), S LaRon Landry (heel) and RBs Joe McKnight (ankle) and Bilal Powell (shoulder) didn’t practice. But TE Jeff Cumberland (wrist), C Nick Mangold (ankle) and S Eric Smith (knee) all got some limited work in team drills and DT Sione Po‘uha continued as a limited participant. “Sione moved around and looked pretty good,” Ryan said of Big Bo’s Wednesday practice. “His strength numbers are up. I’ve been encouraged by that.”

Among the Jets’ full-go guys, WR Clyde Gates (shoulder),who’s missed two games, “looks like he’s coming around,” according to the coach.

Miami’s report remained short and static. DT Randy Starks, who was excused from Wednesday’s workout for non-football reasons, returned today and was taken off the list.


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61 Responses to “Bart’s Big Toe Woes Could Sideline Him Sunday”

  1. By SCfromNY on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    I wish no player an injury BUT decreased playing time for Scott is a plus for the Jets. So tired of watching him chase offensive players (Unsuccessfully). Except for those FEW dramatic run stops he isn’t a top LB.

  2. By scjoe on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    A few people in previous posts mentioned the Dolphins run defense, do not mistake it for NEs run defense. Actually, this is not a very favorable matchup for the Jets in that Miami can run the ball very well AND stop the run just as well. I am afraid this game is going to come down to QB play, where we have a 4 year vet going up against a rookie starting his 7th game. Should be advantage Jets, right???

  3. By MIKE on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    One good thing about injury’s is you get to see how deep your team really is. Davis I thought played really well last week. He adds so much speed to the D it changes how teams approach 3rd down against the Jets. Instead of getting burned on 3rd down by a screen pass, now with speedy LB’s it helps take away those options.

  4. By GaryC on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Are we going to make excuses now to keep Scott around,like a big toe,last year it was he wasn’t in shape,this year toe issues,when does management admit he can’t play anymore.

  5. By scjoe on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    How sad is it to be a Jet fan and to look at the latest QB rankings and see your QB once again near the bottom of the barrel, rated below a couple of rookies starting no more then 6 pro games? (Weeden, Tannyhill) are you kidding me? lower then Josh Freeman and Ryan (INT) Fitzpatrick? Ahead of only 3 other starters Blaine (really bad) Gabbert, Brady (even worse) Quinn and John (WHO) Skelton Sad indeed! And once again, don’t shoot the messenger! I didn’t make this stuff up. Go to NFL.com, see for yourself.

  6. By scjoe on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    I’m telling you, the more NY Jets related stories you read on selected sports sites around the web, the sadder it becomes. Tim Tebow, through no fault of his own, $2.1 mil salary- 22 attempts, less then 3.5 yards per carry. Couldn’t Shonn Greene accomplish that? Couldn’t Shonn Greene have accomplished that with out the additional $2.1 mil, salary? without relinquishing a #4 and a #6 in the 2012 draft? Again, don’t blame Tebow, blame the planning! Blame the WAY that he is being used! Blame the FO! Blame the coaching staff!. And one more time, please, don’t shoot the messenger.

  7. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    Here’s a positive post, albeit one that proves what so many of us have been saying about Rex knowing nothing about today’s O: “Despite last week’s loss against the Patriots, Mark Sanchez completed a career-high 9 passes on 12 attempts that traveled at least 15 yards in the air. He had never before completed six in a single game. Emerging talent Jeremy Kerley is one of 9 receivers with at least 10 receptions that far downfield and has done so on fewer targets than anyone in the NFL. On the deep ball, the completion percentage of 76.9 between MS and JK ranks 2nd among 52 duos with at least 10 attempts. They trail only Peyton Manning to Demaryius Thomas.” Kerley, S Hill, and somebody else young will enable us to deal Holmes no sweat.

  8. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 25, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t care how long they chalk it up to Scott’s toe as long as Davis plays. All of our draft choices should be playing as much as possible so we can find out what they’ve got this yr instead of us doing the usual Jet thing, made worse under Rex, of still being afraid to put them on the field in their 3rd yrs. 8-8 and a WC playoff loss doesn’t interest me at all but building the team thru the draft does. The next big steps are unloading either Sanchez or Tebow or more likely both in the off-season, giving McElroy a chance to compete with a high-drafted QB like with Wilson and Flynn on SEA, and getting our heads screwed on straight at the position at last. Throw in trades of Revis and Holmes for high picks and we’ll have a future.

  9. By Charliejet on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    No wonder Scott couldn’t keep up with the TE and receivers in coverage, and now…..Demario Davis – CANT WAIT !

  10. By IRA on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Hope they can neutralize Starks this week he has become a major headache for the Jets. Its davis time wish bart well and hope he gets better soon but its clear Davis adds much needed speed to that front seven.
    This boils my blood sorry i can’t let it go. I have said for years they should’ve never traded J. Abraham [sorry Mangold] they should’ve kept Mawae then replaced him with Goodwin. They would’ve been just fine. I read this morning that Big Abe has 6 sacks and 2 FF’s so far this year. Well the Jets as a team have only 10 sacks and not having a pass rusher kept them from getting to the SB in 09 and 10. If only they had kept him. Really curious what other feel about Abe.

  11. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    OK, this proves Scott should, for the good of team, loyalty from Rex and company step down and retire, Off topic, needs to be said.. What some Sanchez supporters need to realize . his inconstancy and inordinate amounts of turnovers at the worst possible time puts tremendous amounts of pressure on all his teammates they blame. Offensive and Defensive lines for one. O-line gives him time. enough to make any play, defense plays well enough to win 90%.. yes receivers need to step it up and Greene has played better. I know for sure if I were a Jet player at constantly watched Sanchez Fumble away our hard work week in and week out I would have a long talk in the locker room, With a sock and 10 bars of soap

  12. By uncle joe on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Love the media praying more than Tebow for a QB contraversy lately. Give it up already!!!

  13. By IRA on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    uncle joe, You are dead on. the media has been just waiting like sharks to start writing about a QB change. Please Sanchez played well last week. Its not his fault the coach took the ball out of his hand after they recovered the fumble and then put him in a predictable 3rd down play. Surprised nobody wrote Kerley slipped because of Sanchez too.
    Hope he has a great game and the Jets win going home but i just don’t see it. This will come down to the wire with Folk kicking the game winner at the end 17-16 Jets!

  14. By Tom Spicer on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    “Mixing and matching with makeshift personnel, the Jets have stayed admirably competitive in the wake of Santonio Holmes and Darrelle Revis’ year-ending injuries. They lost to the Texans and Patriots by a reasonable nine points combined, in between plastering the Colts 35-9. The Jets’ offense is moving the ball well” As per Rotoworld.com alot of guys dont want to hear it but many teams after losing there best 2 players would have folded up shop & quit. I think with Keller & Hill now back we actually have some decent guys to throw the ball to. It is now time for the Jets to make there move IT IS NOW OR NEVER!

  15. By jetsfan80 on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Glad to see D. Davis getting the opportunity to play here. I think he’s more the style LB we need in today’s game. I know our QB hasn’t been very consistent, but I saw an interesting stat this morning of which I wasn’t aware. Who is tied for the league lead in INTs this year with 10? Andy Dalton. After so much praise last year, I wonder why he’s not getting criticized like Mark Sanchez has been? Boy, it’s tough to play in New York, isn’t it?

  16. By GaryC on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Jetfantom,nice stats with Sanchez and Kerley,see sanchez all along could throw down the field,only speed was needed,Holmes,Plastico and Stone Mason couldn’t give us that,but I am glad you have thrown Holmes under the bus too,with Clowney,Plastico,Mason and let’s not forget the infamous,Danny Woodhead.I am glad Ducasse is playing better because with his size,there wouldn’t be anymore room under the bus,let alone room for the luggage.

  17. By Byrdman on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Headline is great ! Given Bart’s history of inserting “foot in mouth” Nice job Randy! It’s one down (Scott) two to go (Pace,Thomas) and Rex is forced to roll out some younger (faster) LB’s. Been hearing for years how Jet LB’s “set the edge” that’s nice… so do construction barrels :D What this D is DYING for is guys that penetrate and blow-up plays in the backfield on their way to the QB. I’ve read a few blogs recently suggesting that Sanchez is on the verge of turning a corner in development – hope they’re right. I don’t place the blame for NE on Sanchez – he put the team in the lead with 1:37 to go in Fboro – Hill makes that catch, Jets win. Rex’s D scheme was conservative (scared) giving Brady more than enough time in the pocket. cont>

  18. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I’ve been on that Band wagon since we traded him. if you remember as I do, it was either big cat or Abe they chose Abe,. Big Cat is gone, with half the sacks in that same time period, Never liked losing That Kid we traded to Philly he wound up being a good edge rusher , sorry my age is getting the best of me forgot his name, Next under plunder, as good as Jenkins was in his heyday we never got a solid season from him ..his price tag another wasted 60 million, he didn’t even come with Obama care for that price .. Pouha is another waste constantly injured.never gets on the field more than one game at a time.. That’s why I’m always with build through the draft.forget all these use to bes

  19. By Byrdman on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    It looked like Trufant blanketed Welker most of the game then for no apparent reason on that last drive, Allen is over there? I don’t get that ? Watching Chicago’s D-line Monday impose it’s will on the Lions in the 4th quarter was amazing. They deploy specific front 7 players in crunch-time to capitalize on mismatches they’ve observed over the coarse of the game – Detroit had NO answer for it. Similar to how Pats sent their “jet Killer” Ninkovich in overtime to close out the game. Wish Rex knew how to do that !

  20. By Tom Spicer on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Actually Mike Jet Vet, The Jet D has giving up 10 4th quarter leads in the last 23 games that we have gone on to lose. So there is plenty of blame to go around.

  21. By JetBlue on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    MS did not look good the last time he faced Miami. Fortunately for him, their rookie QB played worse, Reggie Bush got hurt and the Jets won. All the talk about this game being a must win takes us back to past years where missed opportunites early in the season makes every game a must win. That’s what makes the Pats give-away game so painful. It was like losing two games. This team is not built or coached to dominate on either side of the ball. So every team left on the schedule is going to be a tough out. If we just want instant satisfaction this year, maybe a wild card is attainable. If we want to see change that will give us a team to be proud of, I’m prepared for the worst. Watching a .500 team every year is just not fun.

  22. By scjoe on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    OK, just checking out the QB stats over on ESPN.com. Feast your eyes on these stats for MS.. avg YPC #24, Yards Per Game, #26, QB rating, #30 (slightly ahead of two rookies) and the all important completion percentage #32 (dead last) how can the few apologists that remain continue to debate his effectiveness? As I almost always have to conclude my post, “please, don’t shoot the messenger.”

  23. By uncle joe on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, Abraham was always hurt for us. I loved that trade then and love it more now. ManGold is GREAT! Wish we could send them Holmes!

  24. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC and scjoe, you hit on two classic Jet themes: (1) Making excuses for players that we’ve been over-praising forever who are finally worth almost nothing, and (2) Making excuses for hyped young players who aren’t panning out. There’s absolutely no pt playing Scott for the rest of this yr, in fact if we could it would be a great time to trade him for a draft pick to some team that’s really in it and needs a solid backup LB. As for Sanchez, I see this week that a few sportswriters are actually calling for the start of the McElroy Era. Like with whatever candidate you want to win on 11/6, the key is turnout so if enough Jet fans actually start calling for Mc to get a shot it could happen. I give Sanchez the rest of this yr and that’s it.

  25. By Tom Spicer on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    You guys are ripping Reno to death but the last time I check he is entilited to his opinon as well right? Maybe he shouldnt have ripped into Tom 64 & stated that he doesnt feel Sanchez & Keller are not as bad as you guys make them out to be. But the point is this you rip to shreads anyone who does not agree with you & you are all for the most part negative. Many a Jet fan has come to this site & have either not come back because of all the negativity or because they did not agree with the group (Tom 64, SCfromNY, JetBlue, SCjoe, Kleckofan, Mike Jet Vet & JOE CAPS) & you ganged up on them & ripped them to shreads. UM this is everyones site THANK YOU!

  26. By Tom Spicer on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe & it was either Kleckofan or SCfromNY, You guys had posted about how Mark not having guys to throw to means nothing & that our WR’S are fine. Um Kerley is our #1 WR & you really think that that is fine? I can name 11 teams with 2 better WR’S than Holmes. I can name 20 teams with 2 better WR’S than Kerley. I can name 20 teams with 1 better WR than Holmes & I can name 30 teams with 1 better WR than Kerley. Are you for real?

  27. By Tom Spicer on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Guys are so happy that Scott is getting benched & while I think his play has slipped since his Raven days. I think Calvin Pace & Bryan Thomas both should be benched before Scott. Both Pace & Thomas can not rush the passer & it is painful to watch them in pass coverage. Also the 1 thing that they used to do good stopping the run they are not doing well this year. I base this off of thru 7 games 5 backs have run for over 100 yards vs us. In Rex’s first few years hardly anyone cracked 100 yards vs us & now everyone does.

  28. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    This is what fuels my negativity, All serious Jet Fans should read Jason Cole’s article on yahoo, Patriots are considering hiring E-Mangini even though he dropped the dime on them.. to shore up their back end ,reason the lowly Jets having almost beat them has opened Little Bills eyes, and feels they need to do something when a team like the Jets can give them such a scare, (Meaning Sanchez) So lets add this to the barrage of insults so far this week like our 2 QB are in the lowest rated , overrated team Coaches and players. I’m getting so tired of being the brunt of Jokes in the NFL listening to all these so call sports experts,. We need a Jerry Jones George Steinbrenna , Marra’s some one with pride and dignity to run this team

  29. By scjoe on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, didn’t quite need the “Are you for real” comment, but that’s OK, I forgive you. Now, let me ask you this, and answer it honestly. How do you think Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and even Eli would do throwing the rock to the likes of Hill, Kerley, Keller, and even Schliens? Do you think that their stats, under the exact same set of circumstances, would even remotely resemble what Mark Sanchez’s is right now. Just FYI, I listed the latest NFL QB stats above. Take a close look, think about it for a while, then give me an answer.

  30. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer,, Knock knock any one home lets try again,Yes reno has a right to say and voice his opinion, as a matter of fact we all welcome it, what myself and most here objected to was him coming in Ripping into Tom 64 insulting his remarks .. no call for it . must be Sanhezese with you never getting the meaning of our true talking points. It’s official R-Landry has caught direr of the mouth from Rex. in his interviewed he told the world in Sundays game he will continue to head hunt Hit hard get after Bush knock him from the game KNOCK HIM FROM THE GAME WHAT!!!!!! expect 20 penalties now maybe costing us the game

  31. By scjoe on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, re: this reno guy? You are right and you are wrong! Yes, anyone should be able to come on board Randy’s incredibly informative blog and post comments, and opinions at will, but, there is a discreet way of doing it (like I do :-) then there is the way this reno guy did it. Which do you prefer? That is two legitimate questions for you to ponder.

  32. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Jetfan80:
    The sanchize doubters are right until he starts plying better. He is at the bottom of the league, again.

  33. By Mike Jet Vet on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Right Spicer The defense lost these games in the 4th quarter, Guess in your strange rose color glasses it has nothing to with Sanchez scoring 10 points or less in these games, our defense so exhausted from Sanchez going 20- 3 and outs in these games or fumbling bumbling stumbling ints the ball away at the most opportune time for the opposition that is.. Spicer, let me also enlighten you on a very important fact..Every coach in this league has a book on MS, just blitz and he will cough it up never having to worry about a down field game.. Making an easily coached game

  34. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Ira,
    I loved Abraham. Incredible player, but I can’t fault the deal because how often he was injured. Mangold may not not be the impact player the Abraham can be but we have gotten a lot out of him. They have had opportunities to draft rushers, but unless couples works out, they have swung and missed a few times.

    You did not answer my post about what I thought the holes are.

    I say it’s running back, line backer and QB.

  35. By GaryC on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Mikejetvet,I have called on the Mangenious a few times to get back with Jets in some capacity,I also said the jets should look into Fassel,Coordinators are often too overlooked for reasons a team is successful.the giants never miss a beat with their offensive line even with injuries,Preparation covers up a lot of ills.

  36. By SCfromNY on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    I have said before I am not a Holmes hater BUT a #1 WR adveraging 44 catches in 3 years is NOT a #1 WR. There is no redemption in losing close. The Giants were 9-7 last and won the SB. Does anyone remember how many points they won or lost by? Winning is what matters. Close means NOTHING! OK Spicer I feel that I don’t even complain about you much. I’m sorry you are still living in 2009 and 2010 but in the NFL we start a new season every Sept. and end with a SB in Feb. Are you still excited over the 1969 SB? I also never said our WR are great.I said that with Sanchez throwing we will never know what we have. When facts do not support your ideas you get annoyed that people do not agree with you. I think a Jet fan would have a thicker skin.

  37. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, like I said on the story before this, no one seems to object to the most savage battling if it’s over the other guy’s opinions about football but people who just post stupid personal insults about people they’ve never met are just wasting space. If I’ve discouraged anyone like that from posting, like a couple of those demented Tebow groupies in the days after the TT pickup, I’m damn proud of it. GaryC and scjoe, I’m with you both on Sanchez today, he can definitely throw long with the right guys but he’s gotta get that accuracy problem fixed by the end of this yr if I’m gonna just give him the starting job next yr. If he can’t he deserves to go into camp next summer as just one of several QB candidates or be traded before camp.

  38. By SCfromNY on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Last thing Spicer. I used to breed and show dogs. Losers always fixated on their dogs good points ignoring the fact that in many cases they were severely lacking in what was needed to win. Do not assume this is a post to compare Sanchez to a dog. It is not BUT there are many fine dogs that can not get the job done and win. We retire or sell them as pets.

  39. By Joe on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Lets review ALL OF THE FACTS to see if the negativity is warranted .During the SUPER BOWL ERA the NY JETS have won exactly one world championship and 2 eastern division titles in 45 plus years .The NFL NETWORK voted them the number 6 MOST FUTILE ORGANIZATION IN THE NFL.Despite our coach guaranting us a SUPER BOWL VICTORY IN 4 YEARS HERE HE HAS NOT WON A TITLE OF ANY KIND (as a matter of fact the team has not won a game against a team with a winning record in two years )Our crosstown rivals (GIANTS )HAVE HAD MORE SUCCESS the past 5 years than we have since the team was founded in the early 60s )

  40. By Joe on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    The JET DREAMERS LIVING IN THEIR OWN FANTASYLAND OF SB VICTORYS TO COME always forget that the JET PLAYERS ARE PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER YEAR TO WIN THE SUPER BOWL.(ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NOTHING ELSE MATTERS )We are going on 43 years of IF,WOULD HAVE ,SHOULD HAVE, COULD HAVE ,The other night i watched a show on EDDIE De BARATO (ex owner of the NINERS _)His pet phrase was SHOW ME A GOOD LOSER AND I WILL SHOW YOU A LOSER

  41. By Joe on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Comedians like Art Lange can do a 15 minute monolog on the JETS because of the organizations FUTILITY (MUD BOLE ,FAKED SPIKE ,EVERIT MCGIVER AGAINST BRUCE SMITH ,RICH KOTITE, REX RYAN ) It never ends .To put it in perspective we should all view Langes comments regarding the Jets on the NFL NETWORKS MOST SNAKEBIT FRANCHISES OF ALL TIME (its impossible to put things into perspective for JET FANS better than LANGE DOES

  42. By Joe on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Mike Jet i know EXACTLY what your talking about as a buddy of mine owns a STEELER BAR.(Try being a Jet fan in a bar whos fans view a 12-4 record as a DISASTER after they made it to the SB and lost ).We cant win ANYTHING IN 40 PLUS YEARS and their fans are upset they didnt get their 7th LOMBARDI LOL

  43. By Byrdman on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    MJV – I saw that story! Always thought Mangini went up the coaching ladder too fast – He would have been a decent D coach. Remember nobody thought Bill was a “genius” in Cleveland, he got experience, learned from his mistakes, then put it all together in NE. Same story with Rex I’m afraid, the Ravens didn’t think he was head coach material, maybe they were right – He’s making all his mistakes with the Jets – Watch Ryan, 5 years from now coaching the Raiders taking em to the SB – wouldn’t that be be ironic ?

  44. By Byrdman on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    OK so Bart’s finally going to be shining the bench with his butt due to big toe trouble. I just had this crazy thought that Mark could blow a gasket Sunday due to his “broken heart’ over the Eva Longoria split. Reports are that he’s crushed by the breakup ? Wonder if he has the inner strength and character to use this episode as a motivator – take out his pain and frustration on the Dogfish Sunday :D Suddenly this game has all kinds of subtle undertones – don’t you think?

  45. By scjoe on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I am going to take a page out of your script above. You can name 11 teams with a better WR then this guy or that guy? you can name 20 teams with 2 better receivers then this guy and that guy? Well, that said, I can name at least 25 teams with better QBs then the NY Jets have. So tell me, what is the point to all of that? We have what we have. I don’t see anything changing anytime soon. Maybe the start of the 2013 season though.

  46. By scjoe on Oct 26, 2012 | Reply

    One last word from me Spicer. After slowly rereading one of your posts above I have to tell you, I take offense with it! I NEVER drove anyone off of this site simply because they don’t agree with my views, you don’t agree with my views! So tell me, in what way have a driven you off this site? You talk about me, 64, SCfromNY, JetBlue and Joe caps as being negative. Well, that is hypocrisy in it’s purest form. You have been just as negative, if not more then any of us. You have criticized the o line, the LBs the RBs the OC, the WRs, the CBs, matter of fact you have criticized EVERYONE with the exception of Mark Sanchez. So, who are you trying to kid?

  47. By sal cottone on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    I look forward to see a game without Scott in there ,the writting is on the wall for next year, I think anyway. I like to see Scott come off the bench whe he comes back.Put the bal in Sanchez”s hands run a little less this week, put Tim in to let Sanchez get his head together evey now and then. Seems he is streaky, then gets ahead of himself, then looses it. Sparano played it right for a game and a half so far. And enough of the Tebow option, if they dont want him to throw at all, give the kid a few reps. But let Mark sit a play before the meltdown, that he historically has a tendancy for.

  48. By JetBlue on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer: Borrowing a phrase made famous by Ronald Reagan, all I can say is “There you go again”.
    Reno didn’t just give an opinion, he got personal and nasty. You know that we always disagree on the talent & skill level of MS, but it’s not personal.
    Don’t mistake honest evaluations and a hard driven passion for this team for what you perceive to be negativity. I wish this team would show up each week and dominate. I wish MS would play like Dan Marino . I really do. But reality just keeps getting in the way.

  49. By Bitter Blinka on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer
    It’s not just us nobody’s here who think Sanchez is terrible. You do understand this?

  50. By GaryC on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    ScfromNy,I attended the westminster kennel club dog show one time,tell me how you pick a dog from a group of 70within the same breed when they all look like a clone of each other,is their some shenanigans that goes on behind closed doors,like a fin or two.

  51. By scjoe on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    JetBlue, over the past few days, with spicer’s attacks on almost everyone that disagrees with his assessment of Mark Sanchez, it is obvious to see that for some strange reason he does take it personal, and that is sad.

  52. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    The approval for Scott taking splinters is about the highest across the board on any decision that I can recall seeing on this site for a long time…

  53. By ron alexander on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    IRA, I’m sure I’m not telling you anything you dont know but I believe they got ride od Abe & Vilma because they were bad fits for the 3-4 defence Mangini installed.
    That being said I have often wondered why Abe could not have been converted to O.L.B? The Colts this year did that with Mathis & Freeny. Many others like Suggs in Baltimore have made the same switch with great results.I guess we will never know?S.C.Joe, how many times are you gonna bang your head into the wall with Spicer? With Keller being back to 100% & Keerley’s emergence I dont think the “no reciever” excuse is a valid one anymore. I do think Hill needs to step it up but he’s not the worst starting W.R.out there.

  54. By ron alexander on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    SPICER, you know I have supported Mark in the past(if you dont recall please go back & re read my posts)but i cant agree with you on your beef with the two S.C boys,JOE,64 &GARY C. Reno was out of line & I also admoinshed him! You are correct that anyone can post here & I encourage all to do so. But for him to come here and go after 64 like that was out of line.I could care less if somone like that doesn’t come back.That is not why I come here.Hey, I go back & forth with those guys all the time because those guys challange us to think things through.None of this is personal.What Reno did was a personal attack and he got spanked and sent to his room!

  55. By Tom Spicer on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, Last year I spoke about the O line & the OC. This year you have not heard a peep out of me about those 2. I have never said anything negative about the corners we have Revis & Cromartie. Who would say anything negative about them? The WR’S, the RB & the LB’S yes I have. As far as Mark I have said many MANY negative things about him. As a matter of fact I said that Drew Brees was a free agent & we should sign him. I also said do anything possible to sign Peyton I guess you just dont remember.

  56. By Tom Spicer on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, “How do you think Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and even Eli would do throwing the rock to the likes of Hill, Kerley, Keller, and even Schliens?” If that was what Mark was throwing to then maybe I would know but he wasnt Keller missed 5 games & Hill missed 3. He was throwing to Kerley, Clyde Gates & Schielens. All of the above QBS would be SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE if there starting WRS were practice squad fodder Cylde Gates & Chaz Schelines. That is my answer!

  57. By Joe on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    Been saying this for over a year now =THE CLOCK IS TICKING ON REX, MIKE T AND SANCHEZ .SOONER OR LATER THEIR ALL GONE BECAUSE NONE OF THEM WIN ENOUGH .You are what your record says you are AT, NEAR ,OR BELOW 500 (4 YEARS IN )WITH NO TITLES OF ANY KIND AINT GOING TO CUT IT

  58. By scjoe on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    So Spicer, what am I missing here? You slammed the “gang” here about being negative, and you just admitted above that you were also critical and negative with the RBs and the WRs (which I already knew before the admission) but in a post just this past week you also slammed the OC, stating that he is “new” but he is not “any good” C’mon man!!! Where are you coming from? You show me another guy on this site (besides Ira) who is not critical of this franchise and I will show you a 3 dollar bill. And please, don’t include yourself, you are just as guilty as any member of the “gang” you referred to.

  59. By Joe on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    ps ADD Sanchez(RANKED 30 TH IN THE NFL )and the fact that WE HAVE NOT BEAT A TEAM WITH A WINNING RECORD IN TWO YEARS )TO MY ABOVE POST. Prediction by 2014 MIKE T will be out of ther NFL. Rex will be a DCORD somewhere and SANCHEZ (if hes lucky )MIGHT BE A BACK UP .Only the NY Jets would WASTE draft picks on Sanchez who after 4 FULL SEASONS IS EASILY SURPASSED BY EVERY ROOKIE QB IN THE NFL .SAME OLD JETS

  60. By Joe on Oct 27, 2012 | Reply

    SC Joe FANTASTIC POSTS (as usual )Joe 25 TEAMS with a better QB than Sanchez =YOUR BEING KIND LOL .Its more like 30 plus because I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY A COLLEGE TEAMS HAVE BETTER QBS THAN SANCHEZ

  61. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Oct 28, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, I won’t make any outsized claims for Hill, Gates, and Schilens at this pt, though anyone should be able to see — and should’ve been able to see last yr — that Kerley’s gonna be a star. One of the first things I said about him is that he fights for YAC like a vet, now out-of-town sportswriters say that. But I have to disagree with you about those particular QBs and how they’d do with our WRs. I’ve seen even lesser QBs like Rivers and Palmer turn iffy WRs into quality guys, and you can certainly argue that Eli had a lot to do with Cruz and Manningham’s progress. As for Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees, forget it, they’ve proven they can get the ball to almost anyone in a big way. Look at Thomas pre-Manning and now, for example.

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