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Third-Down Defense Seeks a Turnaround

Posted by Randy Lange on November 27, 2012 – 4:44 pm

One of the elements of the Jets’ game that hurt them on Thanksgiving night — and that has to improve quickly to optimize the results of the regular season’s five-game homestretch — is third-down defense.

“Anytime you can’t get off the field on third down on defense, you’re hurting yourself,” S Yeremiah Bell said Monday. “You know, you give them an extra three downs to kind of do what they need to do. And when they have a quarterback like they have over there, that’s not something you want to do.

New England’s O converted 73.3% of its third-down opportunities (11-of-15), the highest percentage by a Jets opponent since 1986. At one point the Patriots had moved the chains on 11 consecutive third downs.

“We were having a difficult time on third down,” Bell said, “and it’s a very uncomfortable feeling because you know you’re going to be on the field and you know that with the firepower they’ve got that they can put up points at any time.”

Besides the communication errors on the long scoring passes to Shane Vereen and Julian Edelman, head coach Rex Ryan also cited the crunch-down issue.

“The fact is that they did a good job, made some plays on us, and they consistently were able to convert on third down,” Ryan said, “and that’s a problem.”

The problem, of course, starts on downs 1 and 2. There’s nothing counterintuitive about the fact that every yard you add to the opponent’s average third-down distance improves your chances of stopping a conversion.

And over the last four games, the Green & White defense has been giving ground on the first two downs. Miami’s average third-down distance was 5.1 yards, Seattle’s was 5.4, St. Louis’ was 4.5 and New England’s was 5.1. In this four-game streak combined the Jets were trying to stop teams who on average were trying to convert third-and-5.0, the lowest four-game in-season figure since the ’86 Jets, decimated by injuries after winning 10 of their first 11, lost four straight during which opponents were facing third-and-4.6.

Average third-down distance or margin isn’t as good a predictor of success as point margin or turnover margin. The Jets did well in their 27-13 win over the Rams, for instance, despite facing multiple third-and-short situations. And their offense’s puny third-and-3.0 average on 10 third downs vs. the Patriots (three conversions) didn’t help the home side, but that’s another story.

Suffice to say that keeping up the other guys’ average third-down distance is a good way to make them punt, often after with a demoralizing three-and-out series, improve your defense’s third-down conversion rate and get them off the field, and increase your possession time, all of which can be quite helpful components of a winning game plan.

The good news for the Jets is that their third-down defense, now ranked 31st in the NFL with an opponents’ conversion rate of 45.8%, gets a chance to improve that standing and pick up 3-D steam the next two weeks, against the Cardinals’ 32nd-ranked third-down offense (28.4%) and the Jaguars’ 31st-rated offense (30.6%).

As DT Sione Po‘uha, a key part of the Jets defense, tweeted this afternoon:

I’m putting all I got into it. Cause my family, teammates and fans deserve nothing less. Lets get it!!!

Jets Un-Flexed So Far

The Jets’ kickoff times for the coming weeks remain unaffected by the NFL’s flex scheduling procedures. Sunday’s game against the Cardinals remains at its originally scheduled 1 p.m. ET kickoff, next week’s game at the Jaguars is also at 1 p.m., and their Monday night game at Tennessee on Dec. 17 wouldn’t be affected by flex scheduling in any event.

Their Week 16 Sunday night game against San Diego could be changed, but the league, which has confirmed its Weeks 13-15 schedules, doesn’t have to announce Week 16 changes until about 12 days before that weekend, or Dec. 11.

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45 Responses to “Third-Down Defense Seeks a Turnaround”

  1. By ron alexander on Nov 27, 2012 | Reply

    There are two other ways to improve 3rd down defencively. One; pressure on the Q.B.Obviously its a lot harder to pick apart a secondary if you are running for your life. The second way of course is stay with the recievers. Now here is where not having Revis makes all the difference in the world. Basically, with Revis you take one option completely out of the equation.This gives you a lot of freedom to mix your coverages which can in turn cause confusion for the Q.B. When Q.B’s are confused plays take longer to develope which gives the D.L time to get to the Q.B. I think the biggest 3rd down problem we have is with Revis out & then loosing Trufant who was coming on, we are left with Kyle “Bust” Wilson who simply cant cover anybody!

  2. By JR on Nov 27, 2012 | Reply

    WOW..a real shock that we need to turn around not allowing third down conversions. Here is another real shocker Rex…your losing your fan base. You are making people not care about a team they have been supporting for 45 years. You have helped lose a super fan (Fireman Ed) and have no plan for turning the ship around. Third downs conversions are not the problem. Flex scheduling is not the problem. Lack of depth at most positions is a problem. Not enough skilled journeymen to fill the gaps. Mark Sanchez is a problem. Nobody has enough sense to play someone else. Mike T. is a problem. How do you right the ship….not this year and not many (fans) will be left to fill the seats next year. BIG PROBLEM!!

  3. By GaryC on Nov 27, 2012 | Reply

    Now we cut Hayworth Hicks,who we hardly knew thee,the jets spend more time changing the taxi squad,and the bottom five on the roster then the top twenty on the roster,The Eagles cut Babin who WAS HELD ACCOUNTABLE for the eagles terrible season,but WE CONTINUE WITH PACE,SCOTT AND THOMAS AND A HOST OF OTHERS.

  4. By Bennett on Nov 27, 2012 | Reply

    What bothers me is that after the 8-8 seson last year the problems were evident to all,at least to all here, and VERY FIXABLE. Last off season was a very important one and the logical steps were just not taken. The first thing T-Baum does THE VERY FIRST thing is to insure that he ties up Hunter so no one else could snatch him from us. ( boy that was close !!! ) The could have made the needed moves, put the leash back on Sanchez ( you know just let him throw it 20 times a game or so ) and we could have had a nice 10-6 year…. We all know what the needed, not rocket science. What kind of GM do we have here ???.. Make something bad but fixable much, much worse. This is bad

  5. By Bennett on Nov 27, 2012 | Reply

    Team Depth = a lot of young, hungry, fit, talented studs just itching to get in the game to show what the got, dying for thier shot to prove something. Giants seem to do a good job at this. What do we have when a starter goes down ? We lose Holmes,we lose Revis who do the have to step up? Look what happend when Mangold went down last year didn’t the get some kid, who was in way over his head, cut from some practice squad? All boils down to the GM he is responsible for this team. One sign of a good GM is DEPTH, not how good you are at fielding the “hard questions ” on some idiot radio show.

  6. By Karan on Nov 27, 2012 | Reply

    This team is a joke this year and the previous year as well. J-O-K-E-S! Ya know the rest

  7. By Mike Jet Vet on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Again, with the NY Jets, With all our discussions if they never change, improve, and keep making the same mistakes over and over all it amounts to is White noise,

  8. By IRA on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, Sure you have to pressure the QB and the Jets are on pace to having their fewest amount of sacks for a season since 1978. But you are missing Randy’s very valid point if you give up a lot of yards on 1st and 2nd downs then the chances of stopping them are less. Its been an all around breakdown in all three phases of the team this year.
    Getting to Revis i have said it for awhile now while it probably won’t be the popular thing to do the Jets need to trade him this spring if they can or at least before the trade deadline in Oct 2013. What trade Revis? Yes thats the smart thing to do. This team needs too much to invest a ton of money in a CB who will be 28 or 29 and with Cro stepping up and having 2 yrs left on a very manageable

  9. By IRA on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    contract.You can get 3 picks or a player and 2 picks. The Jets will need 2 yrs to rebuild this team and while Revis is the best CB to ever play this game sorry its not personal its a business and the right business move is to trade him for as much as you can get.

  10. By IRA on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Ok Ron you got me started now with the pass rush. Sorry i will argue this forever they never should’ve let Abraham go. Mangold nothing personal but the Jets were just fine with Mawae and Goodwin in the waiting. Getting rid of Mawae was on Mangini he didn’t want a locker room lawyer in house. Sure fans will say Abe got hurt too much well he goes to Atl and is in his 7th season now and besides missing 8 games his 1st year has missed only 2 after that. Think the 67.5 sacks Big Abe has up until now they could’ve used. I know the Jets would’ve gone to the SB in 09 or 10 if they had him. This was a mistake that has haunted them for 7 years and they are still searching for a pass rusher ever since.

  11. By ELI RODRIGUEZ AKA ( RUSS BALL 4GM) on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    TO IRA: In an earlier post you said “you couldn’t believe G-MAC was being punish for speaking out last year. Can you please explain WHY the Jets had 15 players try out Tuesday and one of them was Matt Simms? (Rich Cimini blog) Can it mean Tebow is done or McELROY? — Can it mean McELROY wasn’t better than Simms to begin with and Rex can’t really evaluate talent. OR MAYBE JUST MAYBE McELROY IS BEING PUNISH AND WON’T EVER SEE THE FIELD— NOT ONLY IS IT NOT FAIR TO US AS FANS BUT TO PURPOSELY BLACKBALL SOMEONE FOR TELLING THE TRUTH— IT’S PETTY.

  12. By GaryC on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Now people want Revis dealt,I said that during his first holdout,when I mentioned Sean Gilbert as being the voice behind Revis,I said trade him to the Patriots and get a bushel of their picks and people said how can you trade him to the Pats,maybe it would not of made a difference with Tanny doing the selecting,but at least you were taking the future from the Pats.

  13. By steven on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve been a fan since 1981 but no more. I hope the Jets lose all the rest of their games so they can finally get quality players in the draft because the SOJ teams are mediocre and there isn’t enough time in life to root for mediocre SOJ teams. It’s more fun to root for teams who have a hope of accomplishing something. I’m disappointed you won’t eve give Greg McElroy a chance. He has earned at least an opportunity. He won the high school state championship in TX where he went unmdefeated. He won the national championship with Alabama in a year where he went undefeated. He has been voted one of the smartest athletes in America. He is a winner, a leader and he’s smart. He hardly ever throws interceptions. He can move chains like Dan Marino

  14. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Saw It All Coming on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, Ira, you’ve been for the Revis trade longer than just about anyone, myself included, and I agree, for the Jets to obsess on him now is like a guy who won’t sell his Ferrari when he can’t feed his wife and kids. Nice post, JR, one of the reasons I think Rex could be fired a few days after the end of the season is because he seems oblivious to the obvious, like the way folks are losing interest in this entire edition of the team. Guys like that are also usually shocked when they’re let go. When both Karan and MJV are simply declaring the team a disaster and asking for big changes, the fat lady has sung!

  15. By GaryC on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    So what’s up with Kerley,Giliyard is a slot receiver at best,Seems again the jets are making a move just to make a move.

  16. By IRA on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Gary, The Jets are hurting at WR and Kerely is hurt. Gilyard might be a shot in the dark but they need WR’s now. Gilyard did play well vs the Jets in the preseason with 5 catches for 71 yds which included a 31 yd TD.
    Simms had the best pure arm in training camp. Don’t know if he can really play or not but he can throw. As for McElroy no way did they punish him for the season. Thats nonsense they would cut him instead. Maybe Tebow is hurt really bad and will not play the rest of the year and they will make McElroy the #2 and have Simms on the PS and can make him the #3 if they sit Tebow for the rest of the year or a few weeks.

  17. By Tom Spicer on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Gary C, Chaz Schielines & Clyde Gates both got concussions in the last game. So we are down to Kerley & Hill as our only healthy WR’S. Kerley a #3 AT BEST & Hill (a WR who we traded picks to move up to get) who can not catch! YOU CANT MAKE IT UP!

  18. By Tom Spicer on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Also I am a Jet season ticket holder I go to every game. We were down like 35 to 0 & we kick a filed goal. We are now down 35 to 3 & cause we kicked a field goal we blow up fire works or the stadium. FOR A FIELD GOAL! YOU COULD NOT MAKE IT UP IF YOU TRIED!

  19. By Tom Spicer on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    We traded for Tebow to sell PSL’S, sell jerseys & to steal the back page of the papers from the Giants. We did not trade for him to play cause if we did he would already be starting. So now you trade for a guy that has made your QB & your O even worse by schuffling him in & out of the game. Also YOU SOLD NO EXTRA TICKETS! So it double backfired on you. This is not Florida, the south east or the SEC. No one cares about Tebow in the north east YOU ONLY HURT THE TEAM! YOU CAN NOT MAKE IT UP!

  20. By Tom Spicer on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    This is how bad the Jets are its not just the losing. We are getting blown out consistantly. We lost by 17 at Pitt, we lost by 21 at the Seahawks, we lost by 21 home to Miami. MIAMI ARE YOU KIDDING ME! We lost by 30 home vs the Pats & we lost by 34 & GOT SHUT OUT at home vs the 49ers! YOU CAN NOT MAKE IT UP!

  21. By Another Tom on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Other pro-active teams are cutting players and firing coaches as they prepare for the future as we just sputter along…We can only hope that all of the stumbling,bumbling,stuttering and stammering of Rex and TBaum will lead to their dismissal after this season. If AJ Smith loses His job in S.D. he would be a good choice for GM

  22. By scjoe on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Ron/Ira, what it really all comes down to is “match ups” Example.. The Giants match up great against NE simply because their strength (their front 4 and their ability to get pressure up the middle) is NEs major weakness, An elite CB will not do you much good if an elite QB has 10 seconds or more to look for an open receiver.Heck, 2 “elite CBs may not do you much good under those same circumstances. You are right Ira, if you can somehow obtain that elite QB, or that elite pass rusher for a package including Revis, it is a no brainer!

  23. By scjoe on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, I think you just hit the nail on the head! What this FO seems to be doing is making changes at the bottom of the roster simply to appease the fan base and tell them, “look, we are doing all we can do to improve this roster” but in reality most of the time, those at the bottom of the roster are not even active on game day, THEN, they are replaced by other bottom dwellers the following week. What are we doing here???????? Somebody please, get a clue! Soon!

  24. By scjoe on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    The reason I never commented on the possibility of the Jets claiming Jason Babin off waivers is because I knew they would never get that opportunity. Now I just read that Jax had claimed him. I guess that big black cloud still remains over the collective heads of this star crossed franchise. It has been there for over 40 years now. Law of averages anyone?

  25. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Saw It All Coming on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    This is from a Gil Brandt column in which he lists ten failings that will keep Tebow from ever becoming a decent NFL QB, but this passage on accuracy would seem to pertain to the guy ahead of him just as much: “ACCURACY: Tom Landry had a theory that accuracy cannot be improved. Whenever people would challenge him on that, he’d ask them to show him someone who became more accurate over the course of their career; they’d usually find none. The odd thing with Tebow is that he seems to have gotten worse, at least since his time at Florida, where he completed 66.4 percent of his passes.” Yeah, well, completing passes in the NFL isn’t like doing it in college, as Sanchez keeps finding out…

  26. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Saw It All Coming on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Ongoing evidence of what a terrible job Rex and his staff have done: These annual clinics on fundamentals like fumbling that are held during the season. Reminds me of the hurried attempt a few yrs ago to teach Sanchez how to slide, something he should’ve learned no later than high school. As Al famously said in AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, “There’s something really wrong here” when you gotta refresh your team on the basics in early December. That’s when good teams are starting to play their best ball and looking ahead at who they have to beat to get to the big one, not looking back at stuff they’ve been doing wrong all yr.

  27. By Joe on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply


  28. By Jack on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t know why Tanny didn’t make a move about on signing DE, Jason Babin he a pretty player yes he having a bad year But come on the eagles are having a bad years. Jets drafted 2 DE, players in the 1st rds the last two years and really they haven’t played up to where they should be playing at as no# 1 picks. Bryan Thomas and Bart Scott need to be cut they both are done in the NFL.

  29. By Mike Jet Vet on Nov 28, 2012 | Reply

    Wow. Ira on board with trading Revis, I said it long ago one of the very first. same with Holmes before he was hurt or whining, Our needs are vast, One 5-10 receiver isn’t one on them. Revis is a gamer yes, but how long before he wants a new contract, will he come back 100%.. he’s becoming injury prone. we have way to many issues to address , time to move on… Like Revis said when holding out twice breaking contracts thinking more of himself then team, it’s business nothing personal…

  30. By GaryC on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply

    To Tom And Ira,that is why the jets should have never released Jason Hill,he was better then Gates and at least caught a touchdown pass this year,I know Gates had an in because of Sparano but that is why the jets are what they are.

  31. By JetBlue on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply

    For those down on McElroy, why not wait until he’s given a chance. Weak arm? That’s what they said about Joe Montana. Let’s not forget that we were in love with Chad Pennington when he got to start, even with his weak arm because he managed the game & was smart & ACCURATE. Nobody had a problem with him until he hurt that shoulder & was never the same. He even had that one last good year at Miami when they won the Division. McElroy can play this game. If you watched Alabama you know he’s like a Montana or a Pennington. Randy Moss raved about Chad when they were teammates at Marshall. Julio Jones raved about McElroy. Rcvrs know who can play & who can’t. Nobody’s raving about Sanchez. Nobody ever will.

  32. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply

    No, you can’t make it up, Spicer. But what you could and did make up was all those fake stats and all that false praise for Sanchez, so now that you’ve finally seen through that you’re twice as upset. Sounds like you’ve been listening to Keef’s “Coming Down Again” on GOAT’S HEAD SOUP all day. MJV, Revis and Holmes were the 2 best players we had when it looked like we were only a few guys away from a SB. Now that we’ve found out our franchise QB is anything but and any number of draft picks and other pickups aren’t really paying off or paying off fast enough, 1 or 2 elite players don’t matter when the obvious need is not just to rebuild but to rethink the entire structure of the team, starting with Mr T, Rex and (ha!) “ground and pound…”

  33. By scjoe on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply

    Jack, Babin had to clear “waivers” meaning teams with the worse records (KC, 1 win, JAX 2 wins,, Cleve 3 wins etc. in that order) were given the opportunity before the Jets with 4 wins ever had the chance.

  34. By scjoe on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply

    64, actually, your point about the teaching clinics reflects more on the “players” then it does on the coaching staff. Question is, do “players” who have played the game since high school for the most part really need to be schooled on the basics of this game? If they do, they should not be on an NFL roster. Thank you Mike Millian Tannenbaum!

  35. By SCfromNY on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply

    First Joe: I admit to being a very big fan of Pennington. His arm was not the problem, injuries to a shoulder that never completely healed kept him from being elite. Look at the first year after a shoulder injuriy when he took Maimi from 1-15 to the AFCE titile. With Sporano as coach. He did not have a rocket arm. Something everyone accused Montana of. How did that work out. Your WR can not achieve greatness without a QB to throw to him. Pennington threw successfully to Moss. A healthy shoulder and the Jets would have a SB win by Pennington.

    I keep saying,”Blow up the team in the offseason, stockpile picks, trade losers even if we have to pick up part of the contract, and release GM & HC & OC

  36. By Joe on Nov 29, 2012 | Reply


  37. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    I definitely agree that the players are not retaining, scjoe, but I think it’s pretty clear that the coaches aren’t coaching, either. I notice on places like ESPN and the NFL site fans of other teams, people who couldn’t give two cents about the Jets now comment routinely about how Rex has developed few players to any degree and how terribly we draft and groom players. In other words, the word is out on the New York Jokes…

  38. By Tom Spicer on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, I never made up anything the stats are what they are. If I did make them up do you not think for 1 second someone on this site would not have called me out of them? Also his stats from his other years are not what matters what matters are 1 his stats from this year 2 his not imporving on his prior years stats & 3 him making the same mistakes that he did as a rookie. mistakes that he should no longer be making. Since you want to go that route & not drop it I will as well. How did David Clowney work out for you? How did Derrick “stone hands” Mason who we traded for a conditional 7th round pick. Who than got cut by the Texans & is out of the NFL work out for you? How did Plastico Burris who could not even get a tryout from a NFL team

  39. By Tom Spicer on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    & was reduced to begging for a job on the radio until the Steelers had 2 of there WR’S go down was he finally brought in work for you? Listen if you want to go there we can go there. Just let me know if you want to keep on going cause I got PLENTY in the bank!

  40. By Byrdman on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    The headlines of these Jet blogs are un-intentionally funny when you first read em. 3rd down defense… Bwahahaha! When opponents see Bart Scott, Pace, Thomas and Harris lined up as LB’s their offensive coordinator has to be licking his chops thinking – “wow, I’ve got so many play options here, anything I call will probably work since these backers are the slowest unit in the NFL” First Down – throw short pass to the TE or RB (whoever Scott or Pace is covering) Second down- run left, right or up the middle on this team, cause they can’t get off our Oline blocks to make a tackle. Third Down – Find out who Cromartie is covering and throw it ANYWHERE else, tell QB to take his time, no pressure to be concerned about.

  41. By ron alexander on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    IRA, No I didn’t miss Randy’s point at all. frankly I thought he covered it quite well. No I was simply trying to add my thoughts after watching guys like C.Pace, B.Thomas,B.Scott& Q.Coples futility trying to catch up with opposing Q.B’s. And as for trading Revis, again, I was pointing out the problems his absence created this year. Now, if we can get a good R.T + a 1 & a 2 or 3 I would be cool with that. Of course that would be as long as Tannenbaum’s not choosing the groceries.Bye the way, I was not a fan of trading Abe or Vilma for that matter. Mangenious wanted to implement a 3-4 defence and at 6-3 250 Abe was too small to play D.E And Vilma too small at 6-1 230 to play ILB in that scheme.I didn’t agree but I wasn’t consulted?

  42. By ron alexander on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    S.C. Joe, as I just said to Ira I am not against trading Revis in the right deal. Now, that being said I dont propose we just give him away to rid ourselves of a potential contract problem. My above point was simply pointing out that his absence has contributed to the 3rd down problems we are having this year. I agree with you about the match up thing and I think Sanchez is our biggest match up nightmare as with the way he has played this year our best match up right now may be a J.V highschool team?

  43. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, what I meant by making up stats for Sanchez was looking at his garbage time numbers — and sometimes getting those wrong, by the way — and trying to pass them off as meaningful stats. And please don’t compare my mild approval for a couple of WRs with your all-in loyalty to a #5 pick/automatic starter QB who began to look very shaky as early as his 2nd yr. But I won’t belabor the pt either, we both agree now that Sanchez most likely isn’t the guy and at the very least, if he must be on the team next yr, he should go into summer camp as just one possible starter at QB. That’s why I think Tebow should stay on IR and McElroy should start the rest of the yr, but I guess the stadium will have to be empty before Woody signs off on that…

  44. By Joe on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    SC i personally dont deal with WOULD HAVE ,COULD HAVE ,SHOULD HAVE OR IF (LOL )Pennington NEVER won a title of any kind .Once again PEOPLE REFERENCE MONTANA (my moms cousin DEFENCED against him for years when he coached the Redskins )While Montana didnt have ELWAYS ARM his arm WAS MUCH STRONGER THAN Mcelroys(MONTANA COULD MAKE ALL THE THROWS ).IN THE HISTORY of the SB THERES A REASON THAT SOMETHING LIKE 90% OF ALL THE WINNING QBS WERE DRAFTED IN THE FIRST 3 ROUNDS Your also forgetting ALL the new rule changes WHICH MAKE THE PASSING THE BALL MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN IT WAS YEARS AGO

  45. By Joe on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    BRADY 3 BREES 1 MANNINGS 3 ROGERS 1 ROTHESBURGER 2 the abovE have won the last 10 sb. Each QB i have listed can throw the ball better KNEELING THAT MCELROY CAN STANDING UP .Today if you want to win the SB (AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS )YOU HAVE GOT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ALL THE THROWS

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