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Everything We Know About Jets’ Backup QB Plan

Posted by Randy Lange on November 30, 2012 – 4:24 pm

The backup QB beat went on today with head coach Rex Ryan still waiting to declare on Sunday, 90 minutes before the 1 p.m. ET kickoff against the Cardinals, whether or not Tim Tebow will be active with his cracked ribs and whether or not Greg McElroy will be active for the first time in his pro career.

“Seriously, we’re looking into it. Tim’s been limited and really very limited in some of the snaps he does take,” Ryan said. “We’re just tracking it and we’ll see how he feels. Could it be a gametime decision? It could be.”

Tebow, after today’s final practice of the week at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center, maintained his belief in his ability to suck it up and play, with his ribs protected as much as possible by a flak jacket.

“I feel like I’m getting a little bit better every day,” the QB said. “Obviously, I’d love to be out there doing everything, but they’re trying to be smart so I’m just slowly progressing with things every day and it’ll be up to Coach and the docs.”

Tebow’s also well aware of the Wildcat-preparation-time factor that will have gone into Arizona’s practices this week out in the Valley of the Sun.

“If I knew? No, I wouldn’t tell  you,” Tebow said with a laugh of whether he’d divulge if he knew today that he would be active on Sunday. “I don’t know. Who knows?”

McElroy doesn’t know anything other than that he went into this week getting himself ready to go just as he had before the 11 previous games this season, for all of which he was deactivated on gameday.

“I’m sure it’ll be a decision made on gameday,” G-Mac told reporters in front of his locker. “Every week I try to prepare like I’m going to be activated. Last year I was on IR all year but I still prepared like I was going to be out there.

“This situation hasn’t changed anything for me. There’s no more adrenaline this week, really. I’m just being consistent in preparing as the third quarterback for whatever my role may be.”

Ryan reiterated his stance from before the New England game, that Tebow would not be put in the position of having to throw 50 passes in a game but wasn’t ruling in or out that No. 15 might be active for a much smaller role. The coach reiterated that Tebow was cleared to play medically and that “people have played with cracked ribs before.”

Similarly about McElroy being active, Ryan said, “I’m not read to declare that yet.” But he asked and answered another question a few sentences later: “Is it a possibility we will have Greg up? That is a possibility.”

Now what would happen if Tebow was again active and McElroy wasn’t, and that both Mark Sanchez and Tebow were to get dinged up during the game? Who would go in at QB for the Green & White. Ryan confirmed it would be WR Jeremy Kerley.

“But again, we’re going to be doing a lot of running if that’s the case,” Ryan said. “He was a quarterback in high school, he was recruited that way, he can throw the football. … Obviously, it’s not the situation you’d want to be in.”

One final point: As Ryan noted, “A lot of teams only have two quarterbacks on their entire roster. I’m saying that if Tim had to play every snap with the ribs, then you’d try to protect yourself with another quarterback.” But if the worst-case scenario hit, “basically you’d be trying to get through the game, then next week it’d be a different situation at quarterback.”

It’s true that every team in the NFL, regardless of if it had two or three QBs on the roster, last weekend had only two quarterbacks active for its game. The team closest to having three QBs active were the Bills with Ryan Fitzpatrick starting, Tyler Thigpen backing up and Brad Smith playing at WR and ready to step behind C if needed.

However, it’s not known if any other team fit into the Jets’ situation of having one healthy and one unhealthy QB active for a game. And in a few days we’ll see if the Jets play it similarly on Sunday or come up with a different take on their operational QB depth chart for the game.

Jason Smith, Decoy … or Is He?

It was one lonely touchdown at the end of a long night, but it was interesting to note who was in the pattern along with Dustin Keller, who caught Sanchez’s 1-yard touchdown flip with 2:21 left in the Jets’ Thanksgiving night loss to the Patriots.

“I know Mark threw an awesome ball to Dustin and he made a great catch,” said T/TE Jason Smith. “Touchdowns for any team in the NFL are very, very important. Me as a player, I’m just one piece to the puzzle. I’m very happy to be a part of this team. I believe in what we’re doing here. The guys who deserve credit are Austin, Brandon, Nick, Matt and D’Brickashaw. Those guys are working real hard to make sure this truck goes.”

We’re not sure how much Jason was pulling our leg, but he is an earnest young swing tackle and blocking tight end on this Green & White truck, and on that play he was an eligible receiver.

As Keller released from the right end of the line and curled to the left in the back of the end zone, Smith, one player over, did the same along the goal line. It could even be said that whether Smith was Sanchez’s first, second, third or fourth option on the play, he helped make the play work by drawing rookie CB Alfonzo Dennard up from Keller to have to guard this 6’5″, 308-pounder wearing No. 63 who was barreling toward him looking like a potential TD target.

Smith has been on the field for about 16 offensive plays a game, almost exclusively as a second or third tight end on short yardage/goal line plays. But we big guys can dream, can’t we?

Buttle Enters the Twitterverse

Jets fans are well aware of Greg Buttle’s work, once as the Jets’ top-tackling linebacker behind the Sack Exchange, more recently as a commenter on the team’s pre- and postgame shows on ESPN New York 98.7 FM. And now Buttle’s reaching out to a whole new circle of fans with his new Twitter account, @buttlenews.

“Don LaGreca talked me into tweeting,” Buttle said of his radio cohost. “We’ll be sitting there watching the game when Don will suddenly start tweeting something like, ‘I can’t believe it happened in 52 second.’ I don’t get it. I’m not into putting stuff out that’s so obvious. But Don and everybody I talk to in the marketing world says if you’re not on Twitter, it’s a mistake.”

We’re about to see if Buttle being on Twitter is a mistake, but we don’t think so. Greg is a Jet all the way, yet still ready to put a lick on his old team if the play on the field requires it. And as he realizes, “People out there, for some unknown reason, love this stuff. They want to hear Nick Nolte say, ‘I can’t stand Eddie Murphy.’ “

In less than 48 hours we’ll get to check out Buttle’s tweets on the Jets-Cards game. Make him feel at home, all you tweetahs. At the moment he’s got only one tweet live, he has three followers and he’s following three others.

Official Injury Status

Ryan didn’t pass on his injury list at his afternoon news conference as he usually does on Fridays, but the lists from the Jets and the Cardinals have now been released. Not too many surprises.

For the Jets, WR Clyde Gates (concussion) is listed as doubtful. Besides Tebow, three others are questionable: CB Aaron Berry (quad), DT Sione Po‘uha (back) and LB Ricky Sapp (ankle). The 15 other Jets on the list are all probable, including G Brandon Moore, the only one of the 15 who was limited rather than full-go at today’s shorter final practice.

For the Cards, six players are questionable: WR Laron Byrd (head), DE Calais Campbell (calf), WR Early Doucet (ribs), QB Kevin Kolb (ribs), WR Andre Roberts (ankle) and RB Chris “Beanie” Wells (knee). The other four on the Arizona report this week, including ex-Jets S Kerry Rhodes (back) are probable.

Reports out of Arizona suggest that Kolb is yet ready to take the rigors of a full game of hits on his ribs (where have we heard that before) so rookie Ryan Lindley is expected to make his second pro start. And there was some indecision about whether Campbell would be ready to display what Ryan called his “Pro Bowl-type” play with the calf injury he suffered during the Cards’ bye week.

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41 Responses to “Everything We Know About Jets’ Backup QB Plan”

  1. By scjoe on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, from previous post, no, I can’t get SNY here, even though I have DTV. I only get regional sports channels even though I have the premium sports package. But what I do get, and do listen to often is WFAN (on line) On Rex vs the players? Don’t get me wrong, it is not that I am a die hard Rex Ryan fan and want to stick with him no matter what, it is just that I truly believe that he, as a HC, is far from this teams # 1problem. I think he can win given a worthy supporting cast. He don’t have that, no HC could win here with this supporting cast. And that “supporting cast” I am referring to also includes the FO, not just the personnel. Remember, he did win in his first 2 seasons, so he is capable, but in my estimation the roster has….

  2. By scjoe on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    dropped off significantly since then, his starting QB “?” has regressed instead of progressed. He can no longer get away with pressuring the QB with his schemes because 1- the league has caught up to that, and 2- the talent that he does have now is just not capable of putting pressure on the opposing QB, and that is on Mike T, not on him. Maybe there is a HC ing candidate out there who can come in and “pick the groceries” that he needs to run his scheme and go on and become successful, but Ryan was never given that opportunity.

  3. By SCfromNY on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    Actually the Bills are a good example at QB of what the Jets should be. If Rex insists: #1 Sanchez, #2 McElroy, and Tebow as the Brad Smith type #3. No one id preparing for the “surprise” wilcat anymore and it is insulting to fans to even mention it. Tebow has been rarely used and never successfully. So Rex would start Kerley at Qb rather than activare McElroy. There is something strange going on here. NO ONE, Ryan or Tanny can be this stubborn or stupid without an underlining situation.

    Ryan will never be a great HC OR DC until he learns how to deal with players he likes that are underperforming.

  4. By Bennett on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    Kind of shocked but not really surprised that T-baum is maybe telling THE COACH I will say that again THE COACH who to play .Can you imagine a GM telling Parcells who to play, or even suggesting some roster change? HOOOOLLLY MOOOLLLY WATCH OUT MAN YOU BOUT TO GET HIT BY THAT MACK TRUCK. First thing Ryan should have learned as a rookie coach is the old tried and true ” mind your own business jack”

  5. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    “Without Tebow, the Jets probably would lose the Wildcat option to their offense, though that has been ridiculed for its ineffectiveness, and they would not have the NFL’s most popular punt protector, either.” Is this from THE ONION, you ask? No, USA TODAY! Oh well, maybe it’s good to see the whole nation ridiculing this team’s most ridiculous ideas, even if it is a few yrs after some of us were already getting tired of doing that on this very site. Still, it’s nice to go on the site knowing there won’t be too many Wildcat or Tebow defenders on any given day. But it’s Rex’s lack of brains and guts in the face of these ridiculous notions, scjoe, that stands as one of the bigger reasons that he has to go ASAP. He brings nothing to this org.

  6. By Bennett on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    The only one killing Tebows chance of being a starter is Tebow. Instead of working on flexability and lenghting the muscles he choose to bulk up like a bobybuilder. . Instead of being a legitament #2 he allows himself to be used as a blocking dummy ( how did he get the ribs, surely not from his extensive QB role ) He has so unbalanced his muscles that the only hope for him now is to stop extensive lifting and stretch, stretch, stretch I mean Yoga type strech, drop a good 20lbs, and work high repititions with low weights than allow his body to readapt and relearn to throw. There is a reason QB’s don’t look like WWF wrestlers. This kid clearly would rather look good on a cover, shirtless than be an effective NFL QB. THIS IS A WEIRD DUDE here

  7. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    “Don’t bother, they’re here” (from “Send in the Clowns”): “The Jets asked Slauson to take a pay cut before the season began, and then instituted a farcical camp battle between Slauson and Ducasse for the left guard spot Slauson has held for two seasons. Asked if he has been treated fairly this season, Slauson said, “I have no comment about that.” Ryan said that Slauson graded out better than Ducasse, but that Ducasse has improved this season.” But today Rex says, with as much credibility as when he called Sanchez elite, that the platooning is HIS idea! So we’re going to lose a good LG to free agency just to protect Mr T’s crumbling rep and Rex is going to fall in line like a good soldier about it? Yeah, scjoe, that’s some gutsy HC we got!

  8. By BillsJets on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets just don’t fool anyone when it comes to blitz’s or offensive plays, the Jets are too predictable. Everyone knows who Sanchez is going to throw the ball to, and when Tebow comes in, everyone knows that he’s going to run. Rex and his coaches need to teach the players to stop being so predictable, and Keller if you are going out for a pass, at least go 10 yards before turning around to catch the ball, and Jets when the run is working stop changing over to the pass. Let’s go Jets, Win!!!

  9. By Byrdman on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    ScJoe – It’s a catch 22 scenario, about 90% of Jet Nation agrees that Mike T.is to blame for this dumpster-fire otherwise known as our NY Jets. If Woody dumps Tbomb it’s reasonable to expect the new GM will hire his own staff including coaches. Hard to imagine Rex accepting a DC position under a new Head coach (can you)? If Johnson keeps Tanny, dumps Rex, it will be difficult to find any qualified replacement HC to accept the job with all the dead weight on the roster, 2013 salary cap nightmare, no franchise QB etc. Woody/Tanny have turned this franchise into a coaching graveyard. Remember when BB basically flipped the Jets off and chose a much more desirable position in NE? Qualified candidates aren’t lining up outside Woody’s office!

  10. By Byrdman on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    What we need is a superstar to parlay into a Hershel Walker style blockbuster trade. Revis would have been the only player that we could cash in for a 1st rounder but his injury may hinder that kind of transaction. Cromartie has risen from his coma and teams dying for corner help (Detroit) may be interested. Why do I have this gut feeling that they’ll win just enough games this season to ruin our chances of drafting a Gamebreaker in 2013. Guess I’ve seen enough Jets draft day BLUNDERS in my life. It looks like the weakest draft in years as far as QB’s – there are only a handful of elite “can’t miss” players at any position from what I’ve seen. Jets need to (run the table) lose em all to hit the draft lottery :D

  11. By BillsJets on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    Newsday story – Rex is concerned about the Jets lack of Sacks, You Think Rex. You’re finally starting to realize this now Rex, after going 4-7 and now you are wondering why we lose. Come on Rex, wake up and smell the coffee!!!

  12. By BillsJets on Nov 30, 2012 | Reply

    Rex, every opposing QB could take a smoke break and a coffee break before one of the defensive lineman can get to him, Hello Rex, Hello, you home Rex

  13. By Christopher on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    First the o-line now the QB coach. They are clueless puppets. This why Rex must go, along with MT. He doesn’t understand offense and doesn’t recognize how bad a job they are doing. How either one still has a job is beyond me. Since we must pay Sanchez anyway, bring in a real QB coach and give him one more year. This year’s draft is stacked with defensive line players. I expect another one this year that converts to outside linebacker. QB is not there in the first round and other offensive skill positions are not standing out either.

  14. By chris long time jet fan on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    4 yrs is a opportunity rex is stubborn sticking with mark..mark as qb has done nothing forget 2009 he had 10 tds and 26 interceptions and nothing in his game seems to tell me hes going to change.mark has 1 iterception and fumble per game since he been here…no cast includes plax holmes edwards cro martin Lt keller…also 2 to 3 ball knocked down no accuracy , cant throw lead pass.,cant se e over o-linedoesnt care about fans and says so,,

  15. By chris long time jet fan on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    marks inability to get the job done and its never his fault, according to rez and mark its always the 4 years of player that dont get it done.go to roster and click on mark and look at stats says it all….6.3 avg over 4 yrs imagine how many t,o if he threw thee ball.. ok im done thxs .

  16. By Christopher on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    I left out Sparano because if Rex goes then I would hope whoever gets the job would not keep him. I hated the choice when it was made. I would have rather gotten some young college coach if Sparano was the best alternative. But I kept an open mind, but he is worse than Shotty. Shotty just cannot call plays. Sparano is just as clueless as the other offensive coaches.

  17. By Frank on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe the problem with your theory that Ryan is far from the problem is dead wrong. Ryan is the one who put this garbage together. You and everyone else has to realize Tanwoody gave him the players and coaches he wanted. He has clearly shown he doesn’t have a clue what he is doing. He is as bad a HC as Sanchize-Not is a QB and they deserve each other.
    His coaching philosphy is envoloped in ancient history. His player talent evaluation and management is abysmal. His hand picked coaching staff horrible. He is jamming his players down our throats see Ducasse and Sanchize-Not. You think Belichick would do this? You don’t perform you get cut…see Moss and Seymour to name a few. He is the LAST person I would want to build my team around.

  18. By Frank on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    His players are not responding to him. He thinks he can make up for a players lack of talent by willing them to play better. Rex is positively delusional and an embarrasment to the organization. I don’t care what happens the rest of the way against the bottom feeders of the league. It is time to get rid of Rex and Sanchize-Not and bring in a real coach who is an innovator and who is offensive minded. I lobbied hard for Joe Philbin after last years debacle and its no coincidence he has turned around the Dolphins who could very well end up in the playoffs.
    Woody needs turn the page and should be looking for a replacement right now. He needs to model the organization around the Giants, Pats, Steelers and Ravens.

  19. By Frank on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    This will not be easy and will involve growing pains delaying the inevitable is a huge mistake and delaying the process. Find the right guy I left out the Packers in my previous post who also exemplify a model organization. Find the right guy from one of the named organizations and create the philosophy then bring in the management team to implement.

  20. By ron alexander on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, please dont get me wrong, I am not a Rex hater. I’m just tired of him makeing a clown out of himself & the organization by going in front of the camera’s and feeding us his usual line of nonsence.I agree he has not been given a lot to work with.But there are some young linebackers on this team that although they lack experience have the athletic ability to succeed in a well desighned scheme.And thats where we differ. I dont believe the NFL has caught up to his schemes as they are basically the same schemes his father employed as a Jet D.C & later with the Eagles, and he & his brother still employ today.The problem is he is relieing on guys who are too slow to make the schemes work. Again, like his refusal to replace Sanchez, he is-

  21. By ron alexander on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    cont.- stubbornly loyal to guys like Pace & Scott and its just not working.Now you of all people should know how I feel about the grocery picker for our team. But from what I have gathered Rex does have a lot of influence on who Tannenbaum picks. So much in fact that several key members of the scouting department(Like Joey Clinksdale who went to Oakland) have left the organization due to major disagreements with Rex’s influence on the draft. Personally, I was excited with Rex’s initial hireing & I loved the fact he didn’t want to kiss anybody’s rings. But I gotta say, its time to at least look at who’s out there and find out if they would be interested.

  22. By Jersey Rich on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe – I think your assessment of Rex is right on the Money. But I do think that he has to learn to bench some of his favorite players when they are not producing.

  23. By russ on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    only Weeb Ewbank and Bill Parcells put talent on the offensive line..all the rest put in half butted atetmpts…the results are plain to see…Once again jet critics take a look at the bodies of your Defensive ends, there is a good reason they dont get sacks…you draft dumb you get dumb, you draft slow you get slow, etc etc etc….

  24. By GaryC on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    to the jet front office,Look at Florida when they play their bowl game,In Easley,Floyd and Fowler they have a better front then the jets do now.

  25. By GaryC on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    Ron Alexander,do not give any kudos to Clinkscales,he was part of the problem,you can link him with Bradway,Tanny and the scouts.

  26. By Eli Rodriguez AKA (RUSS BALL 4 GM) on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply


  27. By scjoe on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    Byrdman, agree Rex will not accept a DC position under a new HC. That said, what actually has to happen is for WJ to show Tannenmillian the door and stick with Rex for at least another year and give him the players he needs to run his schemes. That would be the lesser of two evils rather then going with still another completely new system on O and D where you don’t have any guarantees things will get any better. Like I always say, show me the quality talent and I will show you a quality HC.

  28. By scjoe on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, did you happen to listen to Woody Js last interview a couple of weeks ago where he confirmed what I have been saying for six years now? “Mike-Tannenbaum- has-final-say-on-ALL-personnel-decisions” Rex Ryan can ask, but he don’t always get! S Hill? Coples? do you remember him commenting on those two high picks? Ryan may have his shortcomings, but “drafting players” is not one of them.

  29. By scjoe on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    64 from prior post…I don’t totally disagree with you on your assessment of Rex Ryan, I have made that clear. I do disagree with anyone who continues the fantasy of believing he has that much input in who is drafted and who is acquired. I did not say he has none at all, I am just repeating what everyone who listened to the WJ interview has heard, “Mike T has the final say on ALL personnel decisions” coming from him, that pretty much tells you all you need to know. As for his “lack of knowledge on O? There have been many defensive minded HCs who have won in this league with those exact same credentials.A good HC delegates responsibility, he has to.

  30. By Byrdman on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    Bennett ; regarding your Tebow comment – I read some preseason reports quoting TT stating that the JETS asked him to gain weight. I laughed about it thinking “Tim is already bigger and more ripped than most NFL QB’s… what are the Jets doing?” It’s apparent now given the blocking, STS, punt protection roles Tim plays, they had NO intention of using him at QB. You are right though, he looks more like a bodybuilder posing as a QB. I would have asked former Jet Left-handed QB Boomer Esiason to coach Tebow on his throwing mechanics and footwork. “Experts” say by the time a QB reaches the NFL his throwing motion is so deeply imprinted, it’s difficult to alter or fix. Denver sabotaged TT’s development and now (predictably) so have the Jets.

  31. By scjoe on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    Jersey Rich, I agree wholeheartedly! That with out doubt is an area of concern. In my eyes, most of those players that needs to be benched should not even be on the roster. But that has been my point all along, Ryan don’t have the luxury that a Parcells or a Bellichek have, he can’t go out and select the groceries that he needs to cook with, he has Mike Tannenbaum doing that instead. THAT is why we are in this mess we are in.

  32. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    Frank, your tirade against Rex today is the most complete, informed, and undeniably true that I’ve seen on this site.

  33. By chris long time jet fan on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    we need a quarterback not a team..tebow and mac will leave and become good players on there new teams…we always let the good ones go….and we keep mark…..why

  34. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 1, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, my disdain of Rex goes deeper than even you can imagine. Which is to say that I don’t want ANY HC who signs on knowing that the GM holds all the cards re personnel. This actually goes way beyond the Parcells grocery metaphor and all the way back to, as I’ve said many times, the mid-70s when Hank Stram was interested in coaching the Jets if the Jets made him GM as well…and the Jets refused to do so.

  35. By kenny on Dec 2, 2012 | Reply

    64 Tom you just wait until next year will get get them!!!!!!!

  36. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply

    Maybe, kenny, if we start McElroy at QB and enter the 20th century in terms of offensive strategy…

  37. By scjoe on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply

    64, a GM and a HC who work in unison will work! I don’t care what kind of label the owner places on the GM, as long as the HC (who in this case knows a lot more about the game and what is needed then the GM can ever dream of) has ample input on who makes the roster and who does not, who plays and who does not, who starts and who does not. Simply put, that is not the case with this franchise, and for the life of me I can’t understand how it has gone on this long without being addressed. Kenny, we have been waiting for 43 years now, what’s another year, right?

  38. By ron alexander on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply

    GARY C, I wasn’t declaring Clinksdale a big loss or great talent evaluator. My point to S.C.Joe is I dont care what Woody goes on the air and says, Tanney does give in to Rex when it comes to the draft. How else do you explain so many D linemen getting picked the past two years when the O -line and W.R posisitions are so bad? Hey, Clinksdale may or may not be a good scout.But i’m thinking he left because he felt his work efforts were undermined by Rex’s interference. When your reputation in the business is compromised you need to c.y.o.a and find an organization that allows you to do your job and be evaluated on your own merrits.

  39. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe and ron a, the fact that Rex seems to finally realize that he’s not gonna be in Florham Park celebrating with Mark for the next 10 yrs should in no way make us lose sight of the other relevant facts — that Mr T, Rex, Sparano, and about half of the roster needs to go and that we’d be much better off if Woody sold the team and the new owners moved it back to NY. But a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step and all that, and Mc helped this team take its first steps forward of the yr yesterday, so I’m grateful for that.

  40. By scjoe on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply

    64, you know me. I would agree 100% that WJ “should” sell the team, I agree Mr T must go, I agree Sparano must go, I agree half of the roster must go, and with that done, I am all for Rex Ryan getting another year with a competent FO, a competent OC, maybe a Norve Turner,or a Chan Gailey, both will more then likely be available after this season, and see where that goes. History has taught us that “rebuilding” can be done in a single off season, WITH, a competent FO.

  41. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Waiting for the Sun on Dec 5, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, rebuilding with Sanchez will not work, anyone can see he’ll never be that much better than he is now, an inconsistent QB who lacks leadership skills, PERIPHERAL VISION (thanks, Arte!), confidence, and who will thus never have a QB rating much higher than 75. We’ll also never rebuild as long as Mr T thinks he can build a starting team, much less a solid bench, by trading away all but 3 or 4 picks a yr instead of trying to get 10 or 12 a yr. As for Rex, he’s as big a problem as anyone else, locked in a 1940s view of O, worthless at grooming young players, and overly emotional about the players he likes and dislikes. But what’s really funny is the idea that Turner would ever work under Rex! Rex under Turner, maybe…

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