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TO Margin Trumped Defense at Tennessee

Posted by Randy Lange on December 18, 2012 – 6:41 pm

The shame of Monday night is that the defense continued to play at a high level in keeping the Jets in these games down the stretch. Here are several measures:

■ The Titans went 0-for-their-last-10 on third-down plays. That extends the defense’s streaks of third-down dominance to 4-for-46 for opponents since late vs. New England, and 1-for-23 in the second half since Thanksgiving night.

■ Because of that third-down dominance, opponents in the last three games have punted 28 times and have gone 3-and-out 21 times. Both are the best three-game totals for the Jets since the advent of 16-game schedules in 1978.

■ With the four-sack pressure combined with the back end coverage that held WR Kenny Britt to one catch for 7 yards, Jake Locker and the Tennessee passing offense managed 127 net yards, a total that lowered the Jets’ pass defense rating to second in the NFL behind top-ranked Pittsburgh. The last time the Jets were No. 2 was after Week 4 in 2011.

■ Perhaps most impressive, the Jets have turned the ball over 11 times in these last three games, and opponents have managed six points total, two thin field goals, after those giveaways. The last time the Green & White had a similar streak was six points allowed after 11 giveaways over the final 11 games in 1999. The last time they a better stretch: 1977, when they yielded just one field goal after 12 consecutive giveaways over a six-game span.

“That’ll tell you about the kind of pride and how resilient our defense has been playing,” head coach Rex Ryan told reporters on today’s late-afternoon conference call. “I think they’ve been doing an outstanding job. A lot of that credit goes to Mike Pettine and his staff as well as the players. I’m happy with that.”

Flags Still Favoring Jets

At least the Jets’ second-half penalty surplus continued. They were called for only four penalties for 23 yards on the night. The Titans, on the other hand, were hit with 14 penalties for 111 yards. The 14 flags is the most against an opponent since Oakland got 14 in 2008. The last time an opponent had more penalties was the Jaguars’ 15 at Jacksonville in 1996. The 111 yards is the 10th-most marked off against an opponent since 1978.

Turnover Aftermath

The Jets’ five turnovers and minus-5 TO margin had much to do with Ryan’s decision to shift from Mark Sanchez to Greg McElroy as his starting QB on Sunday against San Diego.

“Has Mark had better days than that? Absolutely,” Ryan said of Sanchez. “He had, obviously, a poor day, but you know, he wasn’t alone with that. But obviously, we can’t turn the ball over five times and expect to win.”

Absolutely true, that. It was the Jets’ 10th minus-5 game in franchise history and their record is 0-10 (and it’s 0-14 with a margin of minus-5 or larger). In the NFL, the record for minus-5 teams since 2002 is 3-65. The three winners: Dallas (with then-rookie K Nick Folk) by 25-24 at Buffalo in ’07, Jacksonville by 24-20 over Cleveland in ’10, and Atlanta by 23-19 over Arizona four weeks ago.

The average score of those 68 teams that go minus-5 in TO margin: a 33-11 loss. That the Jets had a chance to pull Monday’s game out with 47 seconds to go speaks to how well some parts of their operation (third-down defense, rush defense except for one small 94-yard Chris Johnson run, penalties, punt rush) played in Nashville less than 24 hours ago. But that’s cold comfort for all of us tonight.


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128 Responses to “TO Margin Trumped Defense at Tennessee”

  1. By MIKE on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Randy, any chance you could find a stat on how many times Tebow has actually handed the ball off to another player on offence this year?

    Same for how many time count violations and time out wasted because of poor clock management?

  2. By Randy Lange on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    MIKE, I have Tim Tebow handing the ball off 12 times this season, with the carries totaling 55 yards (4.6-yard avg.) and three first downs. I have four delay-of-game penalties on the Jets this year (two on Mark Sanchez, two on Tebow). I don’t have anything on wasted timeouts.

  3. By russ on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    Nothing unexpected happened yesterday as far as the jets go…It was wishful thinking that they could make the playoffs by running the table and hoping others lose..not a very sound way to think, plan or act in any endeavor. What is unbelievable is that McElroy was not dressed for game to at least try to hlep his team, people who allowed that to happen should be held accoutable. I am sorry to say this but this kind of pre game planning is dimmwitted and inexcusable.

  4. By kenny on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    This team is in bad shape it needs to be rebuilt from top to bottom. No leaders on this team. Just a pay check.No pride I have been a jet fan for fourty years. This has to be one of the worst seasons ever. Why is it we can never get a good quarterback?We have a slow defence no pass rush slow linebackers. I say cut your loss get rid of Sanchez Revis and Holmes this will save the team some money. Revis is not a team player its all about him. Same thing about Holmes. Please MR Johnson make some changes the fans deserve better.

  5. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    At lunch I thought, “I made the decision to go with Mark and I feel great about the decision” will be Rex’s epitaph as an NFL HC. Then I came home and saw that, to quote a line from one of my favorite movies, “Sanity is positively…taking over!” But I can’t give Rex too much credit. It took one of the worst QB perfs and worst games in Jet history to get him to start McElroy, and even then only as Woody’s probably lining up his 2013 GM and HC right now. (If he doesn’t move on that, he won’t have a regime in place for FA and the draft.) And so as I’ve said for 2 yrs, Rex is so behind the beat he could make Mitch Mitchell sound like Charlie Watts. He needed to say no on Tebow, install Mc as #2, and start Mc much earlier when MS floundered…

  6. By Chicago Bob on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    I know some people do not want to hear this however the debacle at Tennessee was the best thing that could happen. This team is not a playoff contender despite how well the defense has played. We would have probably played NE and they would have destroyed us. We still need a safety opposite Landry, two OLB’s and another DL to be considered an elite defense. At least now McElroy will get a chance to show what he can do so we know that prior to the draft. Tannenbaum most likely is gone – his talent evaluations and contract negotiations are brutal. If anyone out there wants Bill Polian, please look at his last 10 drafts at Indy – if anyone thinks the Jets have drafted poorly, take a look at what he did over that period – and bring a vomit bag.

  7. By TONY GARCIA on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    JET FAN SINCE 1969.totally agree with CHICAGO BOB. best thing that could have happened to team. WE have some talent on D and McELroy will get a fair chance,in fact if he had gone in we probably win.Hope we do not a knee jerk move to get a quarterback.GO JETS.

  8. By Byrdman on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    I made a comparison here on “radar” last week between Mark Sanchez and former Lion, Joey Harrington. Both, high first round draft picks, chosen by their respective teams to be the “Franchise QB” fans had been hoping for. At the end of the day, Harrington just didn’t quite have what it takes to be that guy, that elite QB his beleaguered Detroit Lions had been searching for since… Bobby Layne played QB back in the 1950s. There’s no shame in that, nothing to be embarrassed about coming up short on the “YOU MUST BE THIS GOOD TO PLAY QB IN THE NFL” measuring stick. After all, there’s 6.5 billion souls on this planet, of those only 32 men are qualified to be the starting QB for an NFL team at any given time. continued >>>

  9. By Byrdman on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    >>> Joey, let me introduce you to Mark Sanchez. You two guys have so much in common !

  10. By tampajet on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    Great move but a little late Rex should have dressed McElroy and had him avaliable to replace MARK.I like Rex and his team is playing for him that says a lots.he needs help with a O.C. And personal moves.I would hire a GM and let them hire a OC. Sanchez has got to go! We have two games to see what Mack can do. GO JETS!

  11. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    The floodgate is open, thankfully: “The Daily News has learned that Tebow, who captivated the NFL last season with his miracle playoff run in Denver, will request to be traded or released after the season assuming that McElroy starts the final two games of the season. Tebow’s desire to part ways with a franchise that never gave him a chance came to a head after McElroy, who has seven career passes on his NFL resume, leapfrogged him, according to a source.” This development alone makes McElroy starting on Sunday a cause for celebration! You’re a nice guy, Tim, but you’re not yet an NFL QB and I doubt you’ll ever be one…and some of your fans remind me where the word “fanatic” comes from…

  12. By Mike on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    Our defense as stated is rated 2nd right now. Keep the defense in tact, with Revis back next year number 1 is not much of a stretch. Our pass rush gets better every week. Wilkerson, Coples,Mcyntire, all have been getting sacks. Even Devito and Yerimiah Bell are getting sacks. Bart Scott should probably be rep;aced soon, other than that pur defense is sound. The offense needs to be the majpr focus this season. We need playmaking WR’s, RB’s, and lineman. Also our GM, OC, and maybe even HC need to be replaced. Fix the offense, leave the defemse alone!!!

  13. By sal cottone on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    Baaaloney! He should of stayed w/ the kid after he saved the game few weeks back. let him play till he floundered the see if sanchez got his marbles back..woulda shouda coulda, now the future is uncertain for a bunch of players coach’s office people, because some would say stuborness, pride bla bla I call it ignorance. And aside of the personell mentioned, the fans who make this happen suffered and will it looks like unless a rabbit can be pulled out of some ones..,lets just say Hat!

  14. By sal cottone on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    Will suffer another season or two before this gets fixed!

  15. By 40 year fan , John on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    This year was so painfull I could barely stand to watch . It has not looked this dreadfull since Kotite was flailing and failing …This offense is anemic. We can’t even snap the ball ..I am in favor of the top to bottom renovation of the entire organization … I like Braylon Edwards , and Keller is good when healthy ..

  16. By 40 year fan , John on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    If Bill Parcells would come out of retirement he could fix this mess …

  17. By 40 year fan , John on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    Worst Jets in 20 years ….And One of the worst seasons since I started watching in 1972 …

  18. By 40 year fan , John on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    This year is going to end like Shakespear again …

  19. By scjoe on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    After listening to Rex’s conference call where he used the term “it was totally my decision to start Greg McElory next week” oh, about 10 – 12 times, with out anyone really asking him that question, I came to the conclusion that it was NOT Rex’s decision! Anyone else get that same feeling? At what point do politics get taken out of personnel decisions with this team? For those of you who swear a new HC is the answer, I ask you, “what do you expect to change?”

  20. By Mike C (fan since '69) on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    OMG…I have been a fan for over 40 years and I don’t think that I have ever felt this ill with two games to go in the season. Do we really have to keep Sanchez for another year?
    Dear Woody, I believe that I asked for a new HC last Christmas… can ya help a lifelong Jet fan out? Please?? Can you at least talk to Bill Cowher… or Jon Gruden
    before the Cowboys sign him. So many weaknesses, so many needs… let’s level it and re-build it!
    Oh well… on to root for my Irish in the Natl Champ game, at least I got that going for me (ND fan here in Alabama…GO IRISH!).
    Merry Christmas to Randy and his Radar team and my fellow Jets fans. Praying for family, friends and all still recovering from superstorm Sandy and
    the tragedy in Connecticut.

  21. By Another Tom on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    The golden boy had a golden opportunity to redeem himself and laid a golden egg! The least He could do now is let the jets off the hook with that ridulous contract..I still think the only reason Tebow was brought here is because the Patriots showed interst in Him. T baum and Rex got the ol’ “rope a dope” treatment…They both should be dismissed immediately after the season

  22. By GivingEmTheBusiness on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    How can 70 percent of Jets fans see what’s going on and the coaching staff not? Not dressing McElroy? Playing him now? TOO LATE!!! Now that Rex Ryan has lost the respect of the players from playing Sanchez and sabotoging their season, it’s not fair to McElroy to expect him to operate effectively with a deflated and despondent Jets team. Sanchez made this bed, he should lie in it. Have McElroy start anew next year.

    For this past game and the propensity for him to turn the ball over why on god’s name would they not RUN THE BALL. To line up near the goal line is giving your play away. You’re telling the other team you’re going to pass or you are putting your running back three yards further away from the goal line with the O-line…

  23. By Christopher on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Chicago Bob…I agree that this is the best thing that could have happened, besides winning out for a superbowl. Making the playoffs would have just meant we delayed the inevitable for another year. Not sure who could take over for GM, maybe have Pettine take over a HC, find an offensive coordinator, a new QB coach, and then take what you get with McElroy and Sanchez backing him up next year. Use this draft to still build on the defense, it is all we have. Until Sanchez is gone and we get rid of some more dead cap space there is no reason to make a move for a QB unless there is someone in the draft. Besides i’m excited to see McElroy play, I believe he is a winner and now we get to see a small sample of his abilities.

  24. By Christopher on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Then again, anyone coming in after Sanchez is an improvement. McElroy will look like the next Namath compared to Sanchez. I hope the front office, whoever is there, doesn’t go overboard on a QB this year and further hinder the development of the overall team. Take what you get with who you have, or another late round draft pick if McElroy bombs, and use the draft to continue to build the defense and pick up some o-lineman so we can run the ball. The following year, when Sanchez is gone and hopefully the cap expands, we can make a move for a QB if McElroy doesn’t pan out. 2013 may just be a “play bad for Luck” type of year. To say it nicely. The defense will once again determine how far the team goes in 2013.

  25. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Woody, I’ve already recommended Arte to you for a job in player personnel, now my own take: Fire Mr T, Rex, all coaches, scouts, and assistants. Lose 2 out of 3 QBs, keep McElroy. Lose half the roster, get more draft picks. Trade most blue-chip players who’ll be past their primes by the time we’re a contender again, like Revis and Holmes. Sign OK vets like Greene, Keller, and Landry to cheap, 1 or 2-yr deals at most or lose them. Lose or pay zip for stopgap players like Y Bell, Edwards, Schilens, and others too insignificant to mention. Keep Folk and Malone, at least for now. Change the helmet back to the one with the Jet plane. Start looking around for investors for a stadium in New York. Call me or Curtis Martin if you need more ideas.

  26. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Chicago Bob, Polian’s last few drafts weren’t so hot but his earlier ones weren’t bad and he also got caught in corporate politics. At any rate, the lowliest football man like Polian scores out much higher than the best glorified accountant in the Tannenbaum mold, so let’s withhold judgement for a bit. Indeed, some of you guys are gonna be surprised at my restraint over the next few months and yrs. The goal was to get rid of the horrific Mr T/Rex/Sanchez/Tebow 4-headed monster. If Woody really throws open the floodgates to true rebuilding, there’s no need to do anything rash or stupid. Even at my age, I’d much rather see the Jets rebuild slowly and smartly than do their usual we-gotta-surpass-the-Giants-by-tomorrow nonsense.

  27. By punchie on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Loseing season , NO revis – NO offense – NO playoffs . Yet here i am smileing. Is no one mentioning the imminent fireing of SPERANO because its obviouse or because i missed the posts. I heard them saying tom moore was looking for a coordinators job next season – we need to keep rex as a high paid D coordinator next season if he doesn`t get a HC offer from another team. Remember he is not responsible for the poor draft classes or the WORSE than SCHOTTY play calling on offence . OH almost forgot , Ciao MARK see you in kansas city, Next season. Mr T see you at the bahind the counter AT THE BANK.

  28. By Bennett got Karan angry on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Speaking of Wilson…Ron A makes his usual good points. Lets take his reasoning a step further. Wilson benifited being under Haubaugh… no doubt… he learned and is a better QB for it. I propose he will just get better, and now he is hungary. He is not in the big money catagorey so the Jets should get him at a reasonable price. I mentioned my therory to a fellow Jets fan about how I thought McElroy is to ready to botlt from the pocket to fast rather than thinking HE WILL complete the designed play. His response ” It’s the Jets man he has to be ready to bolt ” If McElroy steps it up this last 2 games this arguement is mute…you got your starter.

  29. By Bennett got Karan angry on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    McElroy is raw, I just wish the Jets had the foresight to have a Pennington to work with him. The Jets QB coach should be replaced along with Sporano

  30. By IRA on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Put aside the fact the Jets have a lot of work to do get this team headed in the right direction its a shame they blew a good chance vs Tenn. IF only McElroy was the #2 they could’ve pulled out that game after Mark’s 3rd pick. Hope McElroy will show he is a good enough QB to be the #2 next year. Question is who will be the #1? Like i have said for awhile that guy is not on the roster right now.
    Would like to see them finish by winning their last 2 games and make the changes that need to be made and move on. This has been a very, very long season.
    BTW in 07 @ Tenn the next to last game of the year Chad played his last game as a Jet. Will the same happen to Mark?

  31. By Bennett got Karan angry on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    The Jets never fail to amaze me. The just do not evaluate talant. It should have been hey I think we may have something here with this #3 kid lets bring in a Pennington to work with hm, one on one and see if he takes the next step. Sanchez is a lost cause. Tebow ? Have to start all over with him not worth the effort. This is what quality franchises do… they.think of the what if ? The think of the future. This is why you need a balanced HC oriented to both offense and defense and of coarse a GM that is more than a glorified “bean counter “

  32. By SCfromNY on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    I like the way the defense has played lately. However, I must temper any enthusiasm with the knowledge of who they were playing.I really wish one of our last 2 games were against better offensive teams to accurately determine, “Progress or Weak Opponent” I have been saying for a while that the D not the O with a few tweeks, the most important a pass rusher, can be great in 2013.

    The O is a different story. But we can be competitive especially with an OC who understands how you win in todays NFL. You play to win. You don’t play “not to lose” I am hoping for a very successful McElroy especially in eliminating the mass 3 and outs to give our D some rest and create a rythem. We give MaC only 2 games to show us that he may be the answer.

  33. By Frank on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    IF the Jetsies would have done what I said after the Arizona game and promoted McElroy and put Jamarcus Sanchez on waivers there was a real possibility someone would have picked him up. Instead now after his latest meltdown and with 2 games left there is zero chance we could have gotten rid of him and his contract now there is no choice but to eat it or pray for a trade whereby someone will pay some portion of it.
    Starting McElroy was the right move even though I love Tebow and wanted him here. McElroy is the unknown and we need to see him play to make a proper evaluation. Tebow would require a new offense to be effective. The next two games will give Woody a chance to see if McElroy is a viable option for next season.

  34. By steven on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    NYJ it’s about time. McElroy is a champion. So is the big target TE Hayden Smith. Why not let them play. You have no other reason to play now than to find out what you have in your future players. If you are playing games to win, win, win, you are just SOJ. But if you don’t want to be SOJ, then be smart and put your other players in real games before the end of the season. Hayden Smith is 6’7′ and can run a 4.6 forty and is stronger than Gronkowski. Put him in the game. That i want to watch. Give the fans you still have left something fun and new and lively to watch. Give some of the new guys something to celebrate this christmas. Let the WHOLE team have some fun the next two games. If you lose, oh well you just get a better draft pick.

  35. By harry-o on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    rex and his gut feelings…please
    he knew months ago MS was not the guy
    well, he lost the gut (100 lbs of it)
    along with his toughness
    go back to being BIG and TOUGH
    not this skinny apologetic “we have to get better” every week stuff coach
    watch Gmac light it up on Sunday and prove Rex wrong again
    no guts no glory

  36. By Ronald T on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    I usually turn the sound off on monday night football. They talk about everything but the game. This time I turned the game off early in the third. I recorded it but regret watching it on tuesday. It wasen’t the same as live but it was a whole lot less agravating. I think I’m on to something.

  37. By 40 year fan , John on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    I think Sanchez could have been better in a completely different system ..But I don’t think he is smart enough for the AFC East …And without a blocking front line , and some weapons ? It was a recipe for failure ..And I still don’t know why we dismantled the offense after we were in the championship game 2 years in a row ? letting Cotchery , and Braylon go was idiotic ..We could have drafted better too ..

  38. By 40 year fan , John on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    If Bill Parcells still has a heartbeat please Woody get him in here ….

  39. By 40 year fan , John on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    UNfortunately Sanchez has 0 trade value ..His career in the NFL is over ..It wasn’t quite as bad as Ryan Leaf …

  40. By 40 year fan , John on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    We could trade ALL our QBs for one decent one ..Like Matt Stafford …and then just draft for a backup ..Trade Santonio . Keep Braylon .Bring in Larry Fitzgerald and a top running back …Build the team around all new talent ..

  41. By 40 year fan , John on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    And what about Vinny Testeverdi for offensive coordinator ? And Wayne Ghrebet as recievers coach ? Rex could stay on as defensive coordinator ..

  42. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, how in the world would YOU know that McElroy is or isn’t the starter? Almost everything you said about this yr’s terrible team has been dead wrong! Several games into what anyone could see was a disastrous yr, all you had to say was, “Let’s see how the season plays out.” I don’t even agree that it’s a shame for this pathetic team to miss the playoffs, in which we’d have done nothing. You’re thinking is as behind the curve as Rex’s and the team will never get better as long as fans think like you’re thinking now. Mike, racking up D stats on the worst teams in the league is no great accomplishment. Against the better teams, the D’s been fair at best. joe’s pt about us not beating anyone with a winning record certainly holds true here.

  43. By THUNDER LIPS on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    I would love to know how the whole entire administration, HC, GM, OC, QB coach etc did not receive pink slips after this game. The ineptitude is so apparent that it is offensive. Sanchez is the sole reason we lost that game and the staff couldn’t do a thing becuase they had no one to put it bc they know we know and everyone knows that tebow is not a QB. Yet even still with 4.9 yds per carry rushing we let the interception machine throw away. despicable,we had 2 minutes plus with all three to’s and the 2 min warning and we were at the 50 running the ball all over them.

  44. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Reasoning for Ruthlessness to Right This Ship: Sanchez needs to go or sit at any cost, his mere presence on the field brands the Jets as a laughingstock. Doesn’t matter if we get an Alex Smith or not because next yr we’re going nowhere anyway, we’d lose nothing by starting Mc the whole yr. Don’t overpay for Greene because Powell can do as well as him. A Powell-McKnight backfield would be an okay start with a HC who knows his own O and the way SG’s looking, he might be out of the league in a few yrs. Big contract and all, Holmes can still be traded for value so the only WRs you need to keep are Kerley, Hill, and Edwards as mentor/backup. All vet LBs but Harris can go, start the young guys and draft at LB. Trade Revis for (continued)…

  45. By THUNDER LIPS on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    on a brightter note this is what i see. Rex is gonna get a naother chance. Tanny is gone. QB coach gone. Sanchez benched. if McElroy can play and i think he can be a chad pennington clone then we may have our gu for the short term. there are no QBS out there in the draft or FA right now that is the answer. bring in someone to complete for the job, and build everything around the QB position until that guy surfaces. BRaylon looked good monday and the oline and running game is coming along. i like what si see from powell and greene. braylon holmes hill and kerley = not bad. cumberland and keller = not bad. oline = grab a solid vet in FA and get some in the draft.

  46. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Reasoning for Ruthlessness to Right This Ship, Part 2: Trade Revis for picks, he wasn’t about this edition of the team even when it was good. Cro’s ethic is actually much better and he’s potentially a better leader for the young DBs because he’s not complaining about his contract every other minute. Landry’s earned another yr or 2 but no more than that, remember that his problem has been staying on the filed. Y Bell’s okay for another yr too but at 34 and us not in it for a few yrs, it would be stupid to overpay for him. Most of all, stop paying attention to any of the absurd notions — game-manager QB, ground-and-pound, exotic blitzes instead of a solid front 7 — that Rex brought to the Jets. Flush all that and start over on all levels.

  47. By scjoe on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    If everything goes according to script, we will not see what G-Mac has to offer in these last two games, what we will see instead is a heavy dose of G&P (aka ground and punt) They will play a “not to lose” type offense, even though they have nothing to lose. I can see two more 10 and under games on the horizon.

  48. By ron alexander on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Randy, I have long been a fan of yours as I appreciate writers who connect with the fans. I have to say this now because becoming a member of this blog has probably saved my sanity. I wanted to approach this season with optimism as last season left such a bad taste in Jets fans mouths and I think we all wanted a new fresh start. But as the off season progressed into the pre-season it became apparent to most astute Jet fans that this team was in trouble.As a former Sanchez supporter It was clear the front office did a poor job surrounding him with a good supporting cast. Unfortunately,the reg. season has been a continuation with one debacle after another. I thank god for this blog as I have friends to commiserate with.

  49. By GaryC on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    this is funny but on the sidelines during the Titan game,didn’t it look like McElroy was trying to explain the formations to Sanchez,Tebow and Sparano.Maybe McElroy should be offensive coordinator and quarterback.

  50. By GaryC on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Sorry,the defense is only good because of the offenses we went up against,how can you have a team where the leading sacker has 3 or 4 sacks.I bring home more sacks from the grocery store.You need to have at least one player that has the attention of the offense,until then this jet defense can be neutralized against the better teams.

  51. By ron alexander on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    BENNETT, Yes we will obviously need a new Q.B but if you google Alex Smith I’m not sure he is the answere? Yes he’s better, but as you & S.C.Joe,JOE,& 64 have been saying, we need to set the bar higher. If you look at his career prior to the arrival of Jim Harbaugh its very Sanchez like. Lots of turnovers, poor completion percentage and being demoted to 2nd & even 3rd string.Even under Harbaugh he we pretty much a game manager surrounded by great talent. Hey, at this point he is clearly better than Sanchez but he will be a free agent this off season and if he is valued by other teams will be way out of our price range considering our cap situation.Although I am not a big fan if Rex stays the jets will go hard for Flacco.

  52. By Frank on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, Sanchez cap number next year is around 17 mil which is incedibly absurd. There is zero chance we trade for any QB we won’t have the money. It’s going to either be McElroy if he proves he can do the job or Tebow next season both have viable contracts.
    Revis must be traded we showed we don’t need him and he is a player we can get great value for with draft picks again we will not have the money to pay him and he is not worth 16 mil per year. We need the picks to rebuild the roster.
    Funny how I said I wanted Zack Brown with our second round pick last year he had 2 sacks on Sanchez and a TFL he is a great up and coming LB.
    Rex is not an HC he is a D Coordinator. Tannenbaum and his lack of credibility need to go!

  53. By ELI RODRIGUEZ / on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    For a while I’ve called for G-MAC and i’m happy, he would be starting a game. BUT REALLY—-AM I TO BELIEVE THIS COACH–WANT TO SEE WHAT HE HAS IN G-MAC OR TEBOW–PLEASE!—- VERY FEW OF US KNOW– THAT IF HE DARE START M.S. (which is what I truly believe) THE FANS THERE WOULD BURN THAT PLACE DOWN—- THAT’S THE REAL REASON G-MAC IS STARTING—-ANYONE PLEASE TELL ME—I’M WRONG.

  54. By robert on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    And the circus goes on. This team needs to be purged from top to bottom. That includes both Rex and Tanny. Real football people need to be brought in Or else we will be talking about the same Jets failures next year at this time. Unless McElroy is the second coming of Tom Brady, the Jets will have to draft another qb. And you certainly don`t want Tanny and Rex doing that. Only football savvy people should do that. Hopefully the new year will bring real change with the Jets, not just cosmetic ones. We will see.

  55. By scjoe on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    After listening to Rex’s presser my first observation was, Rex is not a very good liar. That was obvious. So, the question is, who is he trying to protect by being the good soldier? I think there is an obvious answer to that is well, it is the guy who has final say on all personnel decisions. Some HCs get up there at their press conferences and tell it like it is, not caring very much who’s feelings they hurt, not Rex! He is comfortable taking all of the blame for things he had absolutely no control over. I would like to think that Woody Johnson has the insight to see it as well.

  56. By kleckofan on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Been a while since I posted…kinda like going back to a soap opera after a year, not much has changed. Good points all around and no Sanchez apologists remain. Just a few comments, do expiring play clox and wasted timeouts annoy the rest of you? This team looks like it takes no reps during the week: coaching!
    Its unfortunate McElroy gets his chance under these circumstances, its possible the team can still rally around him, but doubtful now. He should at least get a chance in camp next yr against whoever we get. If Sanchez is our starter next yr I am done w this team…that is no bluff.
    The word is moot, not mute, not to pick on anyone.
    I’ll keep my Mitt bumper sticker, at least until everyone gets the 2013 W-2.
    Fire tannenbaum immediately

  57. By scjoe on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    64, Gary, Ron, Byrdman, Spicer,etc. Hypothetical question, it looks as though Kirk Cousins will start again this week in Washington, if he impresses again, as he did last week, should the Jets offer a #2 to the Skins for him? He was a #4 last year, they probably would be tempted by the offer. OR, how about a #3 to Seattle for Flynn? It doesn’t appear to be a very good year for QBs in the top of the draft, at least not after Smith. As for Sanchez? His value is rock bottom, I do believe the Jets are going to have to pick up a good portion of his 2013 salary just to get a mid round pick for him.

  58. By Allan O'Dane on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    I feel bad for the D. They tired to keep NYJ in the game. But how much more could the D take? how many 3 and outs must they endure? You play your BUTT off and your QB just makes your job harder and harder. Sanchez knows this….Ryan knows this…And I can tell you 100% that some players were scratching their heads with 6 WR’s dressed and G.McElory was in street clothes. How are they supposed to react? 3 moves on Offense during the offseason may help out. (1) Get Matt Moore (2) Sign Reggie Bush (3) Get Mike Wallace or Dywane Bowe. D-side Re-sign landry…start the rookie bush at free safety…Release Scott/Pace and Thomas. Mcyintre to start in place of thomas. D.Davis/Harris in the middle. Look at OLB C.Barwin from Texans…I would keep BE

  59. By Chicago Bob on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Best guess is we are going to lose Slauson after the season so now is the time to find out if Ducasse has what it takes to play at this level otherwise he can be sent packing. Greene is a free agent so if Powell is healthy, let him start. Bart Scott is sure to be a goner, let Demario Davis finish the season. Same goes for Eric Smith, he has no business in there – let one of the younger safeties take his spot. Chances are good to excellent all of these guys are gone next year, no need to let them start these last two games.

  60. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Sounds like Rex has been told what Mr T thinks no longer matters, Sanchez may never take a snap for us again, and Tebow’s gone after 12/30. Can’t argue with any of that even if like with Schotty what was obvious to most of us for a yr or more has only occurred to the folks in Florham Park now. (I DO get a kick out of watching the Rams go thru all those utterly useless pre-snap motions.) Rex brought most of this on himself, of course, by coming in with an HC strategy at least 10 and maybe 50 yrs out of date, by not making any serious effort to become a three-dimensional HC, and of course by eroding his credibility with absurd praise of “Mark’s” alleged gifts. For these reasons and more I don’t want him as my HC and wish him luck elsewhere.

  61. By AK_Jet on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    NO KNEE-JERK REACTIONS!!! That’s how we ended up with Sanchez in the first place… There are moves to be made but firing REX is NOT one of them. Tom Gamble for GM and a offense heading in the right direction. Look at our Defensive rankings before Rex got here. Don’t go taking that for granted, because finding a Brady, Rodgers, Brees caliber QB is a long shot. If it were that easy 64Tom 32 teams would be set at the QB position. Were not as bad off as at seems if you look at it objectively with some honest assessment. GM and a offense that contributes to the cause is a good place to start. I don’t like the idea of the old uniforms with are own stadium, but lets earn it.

  62. By AK_Jet on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    I Do like the idea of old uniforms with own stadium! :)

  63. By Byrdman on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    The author makes some great points, its a good read minus one error in the 7th paragraph down. I’m sure he meant to say “Pace, Scott and Thomas are shells…”
    Check it out>>http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/45527/its-time-for-a-jets-intervention <<< when you get a chance ~Byrdman~

  64. By BillsJets on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Rex, When you let Tebow come in, Tebow moved the ball down the field and got 2 first downs before the play calling got bad, then you take Tebow out and Sanchez comes back in for the next series and on the first play, Sanchez throws an interception, but Tebow did wrong and not Sanchez. Give Tebow a chance, I like McElroy but give Tebow a chance too.

  65. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Wow, it’s a good thing Row doesn’t come on the site much anymore, because he sure wouldn’t be happy to read this quote from Rex: “But again, it’s one they [the Chargers] have — I don’t know where they find these guys — but this [Danario] Alexander kid, big, strong receiver. He looks like he’s about 6’5″, I don’t know if that’s his height, but he’s a big guy, battles for the ball.” THEY FIND THEM BY READING THE POSTS ON THE JETS SITE, REX, THE SAME PLACE WHERE YOU CAN FIND A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS ON HOW TO RUN A PRO FOOTBALL TEAM!

  66. By Joe on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    GREAT DEFENCE (maybe against the likes of ARIZONA ,JACKSONVILLE ECT )How GREAT was this defence against REAL TEAMS WITH REAL OFFENCES .If someone we to check for instance TOM BRADY (PATS )have scored something like 155 plus points on us the past 4 games .

  67. By Karan on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Even though I’m dissapointed, I’ll still support Mark Sanchez no matter what, whether if he’s on the Jets or not. Lets be honest, he has played bad but at the same time, this organization has done a poor job for himi to succedd properly these last 2 seasons. I bet if he goes somewhere else, the young man will be more successful. I don’t care bash me, whatever you want to say, but the main person to blame for this season is Mike Tannenbaum. Thanks a lot, Mr. GM.

  68. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Hey scjoe, Hill’s on IR so now we also get to see Schilens’ extraordinary skill set. That’s a joke, of course, what we get to see is if he’s worth keeping around next yr at all even as a backup. And guess what? We should draft at least 1 WR in 2013, maybe 2, and at high picks, like maybe #2 and #4. This org needs badly to face the fact that the 2 most important positions in the NFL now are QB and WR. Of course, if Rex is gone we’ll almost certainly get a HC who understands the passing game — which reminds me, Turner at HC would be a HUGE improvement over Rex! He hasn’t taken a team that far yet but he sure knows how to field a team that leans on a pro offense. And let’s stop with any nonsense about Turner working under Rex as OC…

  69. By punchie on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Can you hear the chant building G – R – E – G GREG GREG GREG. Go the newyork city gregs

  70. By Bennett got Karan angry on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    We need a QB who can make the key 3rd downs, not throw the pics in the red zone and for that matter the interceptions that kill the drive and suck the life out of the offense. We also need a QB that has pocket presence to aviod so many sacks. Alex Smith along with a atop 3 D and a good running game with multiple solid backs one with the ability to catch the ball like LT did. And WEEEE GOINNN to do some winnin againin

  71. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Seems all you folks forget the SB’s in our pad in 2014 and that Woody lobbied hard to get it. So how built or rebuilt do you wanna be by 2014? To be this bad then and watch the Giants play the SB on what’s supposed to be our turf could be the end of the franchise. On the road to recovery by then would be much better. And that’s why I agree with AK about no kneejerk moves for Smith or Moore much less disasters-waiting-to-happen like Vick. I know neither Sanchez nor Tebow will ever be the right QB for this team but if Mc looks good these 2 games, I’d give him a shot at starting next yr while waiting for the bigger QB trade or pick if necessary. The good news is there’s no more endless excuse-making for “Mark”…except from Karan, of course…

  72. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    To answer your question, scjoe, I wouldn’t go overboard for Cousins after 1 game or 10 games for fear that he’ll be the next Kolb or Flynn. Now that we finally have a shot at rebuilding this team, I wanna see it done slowly and smartly, not in any panic-stricken or short-term-thinking way. For all we know, McElroy is twice as good as Cousins but we’ll never know that for sure unless he plays some — not just these next 2 games but next yr. And by the way, it’s great news that Sanchez and Tebow are starting to speak up about riding the bench. Both have them have been praised absurdly beyond their actual abilities so if they wanna get off the pine, they know what they gotta do — play like bona fide NFL starting QBs. I don’t see it happening.

  73. By since shea on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Dont expect much from McElroy. Sparano will run it all day. If SD stops the run, we lose. Soon, its our time of the year, the off season. We have had too few draft picks over the recent past. Trading Revis could get us some picks and we will need them for our many holes and maybe to trade for Washington’s #2 QB Cousins or maybe even Seattle’s #2 QB if we can get them. I still say Woody needed to hire a football guy to make all decisions (like Elway in Denver) . Mr T and Rex cannot pick talent. Would Pennington be a good decision maker? Gruden? Lose Mr T, get a good QB coach, OC, LB, WR, O line, QB and please stop the stupidity of your decisions! Jets plus Mets spell dysfunctional. Sad.

  74. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    ELI, you’re absolutely right and I said the same thing to Arte yesterday before Rex named McElroy to start. Had he started Sanchez, the booing woulda been endless at the stadium and that woulda been the entire story. Frankly, that’s one reason I think Sanchez may never take another snap for the Jets no matter what it costs us in mere dollars, and if you saw Stephen Smith’s rant — and I mean RANT! — yesterday on how New Yorkers are donw with MS, you know what I mean. scjoe, I think you’re just a little beaten down, there’s no reason not to let McElroy air it out as much or as little as he or anyone else wants these last 2 games, 6-8 and picking higher is a lot better than 8-8 and everybody knows it, surely including Woody.

  75. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, go ahead and root for Mark on other teams, I personally have my hands full rooting for the busts we have on this team. But also start watching the way even the mediocre QBs in this league make decisions compared to what Sanchez calls decisions. I’ve seen some bad QB play in my day but it’s been a long, long time since I saw a QB so consistently throw into triple coverage, off the wrong foot, in the wrong situation, and all this other nonsense MS does. These are classic rookie mistakes and in the pros they’re supposed to disappear somewhere between a QB’s 16th and 24th games. In MS’s case, they’ve gotten “markedly” worse since then.

  76. By Stevesc on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Karan, not bashing you here, just making a point. I agree that Tannenbaum hasn’t done the best job of surrounding MS with talent. That being said, you can’t blame him or Rex or any coach for what a player does once he is on the field. Mark Sanchez makes the same mistakes over and over again. I believe Rex stresses taking care of the ball until he is blue in the face. It’s not Tannenbaum or anyone else making bad decisions, bad throws, interceptions or fumbling the ball except Sanchez himself. A play is called, and it is up to the players to execute it. I, like everyone on this blog, am not a fan of Tannenbaum, and hope he is gone after this season. The horrible qb play though, rests solely with Mark Sanchez. I’m sure he would agree.

  77. By BillsJets on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    News Media – Jets look at Trading Mark Sanchez after the Season’s over –
    Hit the Road Jack, and Don’t ya come back no more no more, Hit the Road Jack, and Don’t ya Come Back No More. This is Mark Sanchez’s new Song being with the Jets.

  78. By IRA on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Tom, I guess you didn’t read my posts in August after camp. I said this team was at best an 8 win team and maybe catch a break and win 9. If they don’t stay healthy they win 6-7 games tops.
    Frank, Sanchez will be traded and i think the Raiders get him and the Jets eat about 6 of the 8.25 he is due. It’s impossible to bring him back it’s not good for either the Jets or Mark. They each need a fresh start.

  79. By Allan O'Dane on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Michael Vick a jet? let the debate begin………..

  80. By ron alexander on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, Cousins for a #2 or Flynn for a 4 is certianly a good thought. It wouldn’t break my hart if that happaned.However, you,64 and JOE have helped me realize we may need to “aim higher”! We need a franchise Q.B. My first concern at this point is a complete reorganization of this team.We absoloutley need a strong astute football guy in charge and Woody needs to step back & let him do what needs to be done.I doubt a new G.M would bring Rex back and forget the idea of makeing Tanny the salary cap guy! No one wants the guy who’s job he took lurking around behind the scenes to undermine him.The same will hold true for Sanchez with regard to whoever the new Q.B is next year. The way i see it only a complete overhaul will work.

  81. By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    To;RANDY’s Radar CREW; If you read my post to S.C.Joe the rest of this will make sence (I hope?)
    2012 Holiday shopping List;
    1- franchise Q.B (not somebody else’s reject)
    2-Man with a plan G.M. Prefer younger agressive, superior intellegence a must!
    3-man with a plan H.C. a coach who understands off,Def. Spec.teams
    4-playmakeing W.R. Tom64 points out 2nd most important posisition on offence
    5-complete package T.E. Zack Ertz from Stanford my choice
    6-at least two athletic O.L.B’s to replace Pace & Thomas
    7-A playmakeing safty(not Landry,he wants too much money.)
    8-at least 2 off linemen ready to play now!
    9-great spec.teams coach (nearly 30% of a game is spec.teams
    10-That all of you here have a great holiday!

  82. By scjoe on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    64, tell me, honestly, what have you seen from S. Hill this year that separates him, or even COULD separate him from Schilens? Once again, as Jet fans, we are setting the bar pretty low just to make that comparison, but tell me anyway. What I have seen from Schilens so far, is the fact he would probably be a #3 or 4 on most teams, so what does that say about Hill, the #2 pick in the draft? Not to mention those extra picks he cost them. You can’t say size and speed, because they both have that, you can’t say potential, because that remains to be seen in both cases, so what’s left? The fact he was selected in the 2nd round? Where was Mark Sanchez selected?

  83. By scjoe on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, you talk to me about beating a dead horse (Mark Sanchez) Well, we both have been beating that horse for the past 4 years, the only difference is, one of us were right, the other was dead wrong!

  84. By scjoe on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    64, back on the WR front, I don’t agree that they need to take still another WR high in the 2013 draft. I am as confident as always that a competent QB, and that field includes “almost” anyone not named Mark Sanchez, will get the best out of what we already have now. Sure, you can tweak the bottom of that core maybe, but I do not believe a high pick for that position is the right thing to do, not with all of the other needs. They made that mistake in the 2012 draft.

  85. By GaryC on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    why do people assume that if a guy is playing well for one team he will play well for yours,didn’t we hear that about Flynn last year,and this year he is on the bench,and sorry,no one knew Wilson would play this well,We are back to bringing in every other team’s free agent thinking that is the elixir to a winning team,doesn’t work that way.CLEAN YOUR OWN HOUSE AND LET OTHERS FIX THERE’S.

  86. By JetBlu on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    T64 / Ron Alex: Still lovin your posts. Wish I had the time to get here more often. It’s hard to believe that those so-called experts on ESPN even watch football. It took them this long to finally figure out that Rex is not a good coach and that MS is a horrible QB. Just how bad is Rex? He can’t even answer questions about decisions he makes about his QB. His standard answer is “I just felt it was the best thing for the team”. Even that makes no sense because if he did what was best for the team, he would have kept McElroy as the starter after the AZ save. If not the worst HC, Rex is the absolute worst speaker. “Obviously, ya know….” So embarrassing to be a Jet Fan. Cimini seems to think Rex will be back next year. Good Grief!

  87. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I remember all your posts, especially your summer ones since you give us the updates from Cortland. My problem is with your complacency, which often baffles me. Anyone could see Sanchez needed to compete for the job this yr without an $8 mil bribe. Anyone could see he shoulda been benched much earlier this yr. I didn’t hear you saying any of this and indeed it was only after the Butt Fumble that for the very first time, you admitted what many of us knew in our hearts since he blew the PIT playoff — Sanchez is NOT the right QB for this team and will never be elite! As a long-time Jet fan, though, I know that this goes to the different kinds of fans that the team has, which I’ll get to in another post in a minute.

  88. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, remember in the Jet programs at Shea back in the mid-60s, when they’d ask fans to take Jet players into their homes for the season? I think you’re that kind of fan — the Jets are family, everyone needs to be loved equally and unconditionally, and the W-L record of the team is secondary at best. You’re more worried about Leon on another team than McKnight on this team. If this works for you, fine. I’m the kind of fan who stares at the screen most Sundays saying to myself, “Why am I subjecting myself to this pathetic spectacle of ineptitude when I could be doing something fun, instructive, or productive? And why do I and an army of people, including many on this site, know what needs to be done by this org but the org itself doesn’t?”

  89. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, what I saw and see in Hill is that he’s an unproven rookie and Schilens is a proven backup at best, but the pt goes well beyond the 2 of them. And your fears of drafting even 1 more WR highly, much less a bunch of them, goes to my pt. Any team that’s in it these days has firepower at QB and WR. Talk of “D wins championships” is nonsense because anything can happen in 1 SB, but you still need to excel in about 20 games to get to the SB and even then, the teams that win make the big passing plays in the SB — ask Eli. So frankly I don’t care if the Jets pick a WR #2 and #4 every yr for the next 3 yrs. Wake me up when we can come back in a game like NE did vs SF or win a game like SF won that one, till then we’re an outdated joke!

  90. By Stevesc on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    GaryC, amen to that!

  91. By GaryC on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Ron,get off my pick of Zach Ertz,I mentioned him the other day,will become a better player then Coby Fleener,another Stanford alum,With McElroy throwing to Hill,Kerley Holmes and hopefully Jordan White next year,get a all around back and receiving tight end if Keller doesn’t come back,your offense might do some things.

  92. By Byrdman on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Wow ! Tons of unsubstantiated Rumors and random Speculation this week about the Jets future in the wake of the latest Sanchez implosion. Wonder if we’re witnessing an evolution of the NFL QB position happening before our eyes? I’m seeing these unconventional but athletic hybrid guys putting up Madden XBOX numbers. Is the era of the 6’5″ cannon armed pocket QB slowly fading? OR, is it teams like the Redskins, Seahawks, and 49ers have great OC’s and have built a system around their “running” QB’s? Or does a Tall , Fast, Athletic, Runner with Bigtime Arm like Colin Kaepernick represent the FUTURE of the position? Something for us to consider in next years draft.

  93. By Byrdman on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Scjoe – I liked Cousins coming out of MSU, was hoping somehow he’d slip and we’d grab him, but…Looks to me like the Father/Son coaching system in Wash. has got something over there. RG3 is a freak but when Kirk played they hardly missed a beat. Sometimes… its the SYSTEM. When Warner left the Rams the offense was a machine, they plugged in Mark Bulger and kept scoring 35 -40 a game. Flynn steps in for Rodgers – same story. NE created the myth of Matt Cassell who looked good for a minute in KC. Further back in history, think about the 49ers going from Montana to Young. Championship Caliber Offensive System. Tony Sparrano looks more like a Quarterback Killer than a QB’s best friend.

  94. By Tom Spicer on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, What the Jets need to do is offer Sanchez to the Seahawks for Flynn both have monster contracts & both will never play a down for there teams again. We will get rid of Sanchez & Tebow. Next year we can have Flynn, Mcelroy & a early round pick compete for the starting job.

  95. By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    64 & S.C.Joe, i am enjoying your back & forth on the need for a big play W.R. Here’s my 2 cents'; while as always you both make compelling points, the fact is next years Q.B will probably not be Payton,Drew,Aaron,Brady(unless its Quinn)or even Eli, Lets assume its gonna be a young neophyte who will need all the help he can get. Without getting into specific names because the nameswill change before the draft, Contrary to what I’m seeing in the moc drafts I believe there are 4 or 5 recievers who could be difference makers. In addition,there will also be 3 or 4 f/a’s who could be available that would clearly upgrade that posisition for us.64 is right about the w.r.posisition being 2nd only to Q.B as this is now a passing league.

  96. By kleckofan on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    When your QB is, to put it nicely, sub-par, it is difficult to get a read on your WRs, I think Kerley is a legit slot guy, Hill should be given a chance; the rest could be jettisoned (no pun). Keller kept situationally.Good QBs make good WR’s

    Keep McKnight & Bilal. Keep Nick & Brick. The rest of the O is wide open.

    On D: keep Mo, Devito, McIntyre, Harris, Cro, Landry. I hate to say it, but picks for Revis is the right move for a team w so many needs.

    Tanny should be fired now so as to begin the new era and send a message that incompetance will not be tolerated. How could it possibly help to keep him for any length of time? I would allow Rex to stay as DC, but that rarely happens; the ego is too big to stay where you’ve been demoted.

  97. By scjoe on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Ron, as much as we both know that the bar needs to be set much higher, there are other factors to consider, such as the salary cap mess Tannenbum has left this team with. So yes, I would also love to bring in that ultra elite QB and solve a lot of problems all in one signing, but that just aint gonna happen. You have to be realistic, at least for the short term, that is why I mention names like Flynn, Moore, maybe Cousins or Henne. Guys that can fit under the cap and still bring a major upgrade to the position. (for now) My hope is they can sign a high mid round pick to develop into that long term answer at QB they desperately need.

  98. By scjoe on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    64, sure Cousins can turn into the next Kolb or Gabbert, he can also turn into the next Wilson, Luck or RGIII. There are no guarantees. That can also be said about ANY rookie QB taken or any b/u with no body of work. As I mentioned above to Ron, the other factor that you have to consider is cap space, that decreases the amount of options you have. Cousins is cap friendly, he is young, he has a year of NFL experience and a few starts as well. He has the intangibles needed and is a little less of a risk then drafting a QB. But again, bottom line, there are no guarantees!

  99. By Joe on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    LOOK at THE HISTORY of things that WORK IN TODAYS NFL (not 30 years ago )DEFENCE =BOTH SB teams last year WERE AVERAGE AT BEST .The STEELERS are the BEST D IN THE NFL THIS YEAR RECORD WISE THEIR 500. RUNNING THE BALL .Exactly how many SB RINGS DO A PETERSON and CJ OHNSON HAVE= NONE .NET RESULT it really doesnt matter today if you have a great d and can run the ball THE ONLY THING THAT TRUELY MATTERS IS THE PLAY OF THE QB .The LOMBARDI is basically passed FROM ONE ELITE QB TO ANOTHER YEAR AFTER YEAR The last 10 years MANNING BROS BRADY BREES ROGERS ROTHESBURGER

  100. By Joe on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    THE only thing that matters is winning the SB THATS IT Dwight White (EX STEELER ALL PRO )=2 things nobody EVER REMEMBERS OR CARES ABOUT ,THE TEAMS THAT NEVER WON A SB AND THE TEAMS THAT ONLY WON 1 SB. Its EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET AN ELITE QB but the only reason to play this game is to win the SB HISTORY DICTATES TODAY WITHOUT ONE YOU CANT WIN IT .In a SUPPOSID team sport ONE PLAYER ALMOST single handly makes that team .In the first RAVEN STEELER GAME THE POINT SPREAD CHANGED 7.5 POINTS WHEN PITTS REVEALED ROTHESBURGER WAS OUT hOW MANY WINS DID ANDREW LUCK BRING TO THE COLTS AND RG-3 TO THE SKINS .i I wouldnt even mention PAYTON

  101. By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    S.CJoe & 64, Lets look at this another way. The Mets finally woke up and realized they were not winning anything in 2013. Because they hired a” Man with a plan” they were able to trade a pitcher who partisapates in only 32 games a year for a young catcher(the hardest posisition to fill) who hits, plays great defence and is 16 years younger.This catcher will be hitting his stride when it matters and the Mets are ready to contend.I dont want a stop gap guy, I want a guy to build around like R.G.3. Cousins might be that guy. It appears he will start again this week so we should keep an eye on him.Of course its the jets organization who should be doing that but who knows who will be here next year?

  102. By GaryC on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Forget the mock drafts already,the juniors haven’t even declared if there coming out yet,a lot of those guys there mentioning now will not be near the top ten in April.

  103. By Byrdman on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Joe – What QB do you want to sign? Do you think there’s a SB caliber QB either in the coming draft or on another team that the Jets could realistically deal for? The O-line is falling apart, Jets lack playmakers on offense, Need 3 new LB’s etc. What QB could we sign that would turn the Jets around?

  104. By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    JET BLUE, Thank you very much for your kind words. Actually, I was thinking the same thing about you and Byrdman! You guys have been killing it and I absolutely think you guys have the pulse of whats happaning in Jetville! Gary C, you too bro!
    Yes you did point out Ertz the otherday and I was just agreeing with you! He is a beast! I like him even more than the kid from N.D. You are another guy here who is always a great read. I’m looking forward to talking to all you guys about the draft as that is kind of a big deal in Ronbo land! aka my world! yeah i know, I need to get a life!

  105. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks, Ronbo19, about WR but that should be obvious to anyone who watches football including you, scjoe. But I’ll salute your view on Cousins and QBs, you never know who’s got it or not which is why I’ll be watching McElroy on Sunday with more enthusiasm than I’ve had for any game in the last 2 yrs. Like others on this site, though, I think Woody is angry enough to do whatever he has to do — about the FO, the salary cap, and the team — to stop us from being a joke. klecko, your breakdown of who should stay and who should go, particularly on O, strikes me as brilliant, as does your pt, Joe, about the irony that in this team sport you’re nowhere without an elite QB. Guys like you (and Arte) should be working for Woody — or Curtis Martin!

  106. By scjoe on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, the Seahawks would never, ever, trade Flynn straight up for Sanchez, even though they both have ridicules contracts. The Jets would have to sweeten the pot with either a draft pick, a player, or by paying a large portion of Sanchez 2013 salary. I wouldn’t want it to be a draft pick. Unfortunately, I think Sanchez last few starts sealed his fate, I just don’t see a market.

  107. By Stevesc on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    The bottom line here guys is that drafting a qb or any other skill player is a crap shoot. There have been a lot of first round busts as we all know and there have been guys who have make it coming out of lower rounds. To me, the skill of a teams scouting is to find the talent in these low rounds. There are some interesting stats by position of the last ten first round drafts at http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-04-22/nfl-draft-2012-first-round-disappointments, if anyone is interested.

  108. By scjoe on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Kleckofan, agree with most everything you said above, especially the WRs as they relate to the quality of their QBs. The problem with Tannenbum however could get complicated, he has three years left on his contract. Not sure how Johnson handles all the lopsided contracts given out to incompetent players and FO officials after the season. That could be a dreadful sticking point.

  109. By scjoe on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    Byrdman, agree 100% about “systems” especially in NE. Also agree Sparano is a one and done OC, that move ranks right up there with Sanchez, Hill, Gholston, Ducasse, Wilson, Greene, well, you get the idea. As for Cousins? As I stated to Ron, he is young, he is talented, he has upside, and most of all he is cap friendly, something this team has to consider in any and all transactions they make going forward.I think he is an immediate upgrade who has the “potential” to be a quality QB (with the right coaching)

  110. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply

    All good pts, JetBlu, but take heart — all Cimini said is that if Rex updates his view on O past 1938 (I’m supplying the yr), he DESERVES another chance, not that he’s necessarily going to get one. My sense is that Woody is so furious that his expensive toy has the worst starting QB in the NFL of the last few yrs that he’s going to go after a QB and let all the other chips fall where they may, including Rex. I doubt the folks posting here are the only ones who don’t think the next QB can be trusted to Rex.

  111. By jetsfan80 on Dec 21, 2012 | Reply

    It looks like the QB carousel will be turning once again for our Jets. I hate it for Sanchez. He seems to be a good guy, but he just hasn’t developed the way I’d hoped he would. I am glad to see Rex giving G-Mac a chance to show what he’s got…I just wish he had stuck with it after the Arizona game. Any thoughts on bringing in Matt Moore? I read something yesterday about how he would come with a pretty low price tag for what he could bring. I have been impressed in the few games I’ve watched Moore play. I would stay away from drafting a QB. We should focus on the OL, LBs, WR and RB positions this year.

  112. By GaryC on Dec 21, 2012 | Reply

    So Joe,you named six quarterbacks who are elite,out of 32 teams,so basically one fifth of the league will win the super bowl and the other four fifths can forget about it,unless another quarterback all of a sudden becomes elite.

  113. By GaryC on Dec 21, 2012 | Reply

    Ron,thanks for the kind words,yes in Jetland for years it is all about the draft seeing we have had so many lean years,I go back to the early 70’s before Kiper listening who the jets drafted on WINS radio.

  114. By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Dec 21, 2012 | Reply

    Gary C, No problem, Iall em like I see em! Yeah me too, I have been a ‘draft-nik’ since the old AFL days.I actually have a board with magnets and all that stuff. My wife avoids me like the plague most of April. Yeah, I know, get a life! And you are 100% right about waiting for the underclassmen to declare before getting too into who we want or dont want. I will say this to all who choose to listen, No VICK! .NO HILL! No,no,no to anybody else’s rejects. Yes to Cousins if we can get him without giving up a #1

  115. By Joe on Dec 21, 2012 | Reply

    GARY YES AND THATS THE EXACT WAY IT IS .lETS REVIEW GIANTS PATS STEELERS PACKERS SAINTS (AND WHATEVER TEAM PAYTON IS ON )BASICALLY FLIP FLOP THE LOMBARDI YEAR TO YEAR In years to come we MAY ADD REDSKINS ,COLTS AND FALCONS TO THE LIST as THEIR ELITE QBS MATURE and guys like BRADY RETIRE

  116. By Joe on Dec 21, 2012 | Reply

    BYRDMAN its highly doubtful we will ever SIGN A FA ELITE QB (should one become available) BECAUSE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS HISTORY OF FUTILITY (exact example of this would be PAYTON MANNING LAST YEAR )The only way we can get one (ELITE QB )THEN WOULD BE THROUGH THE DRAFT AND WE ALL KNOW THAT LADY LUCK HASNT EXACTLY SHINED ON THIS ORGANIZATION REGARDING ANYTHING (ESP THE DRAFT )THE PAST 43 YEARS.

  117. By Joe on Dec 21, 2012 | Reply

    Tom thanks .Last year MANY LAUGHTED at the REDSKINS for trading EVERYTHING for years to come to draft RG-3 and now WASHINGTON is doing all the laughing .Inturn the downside being should an organization MISS ON THE PICK IT SETS THEM BACK 5PLUS YEARS (MARK SANCHEZ)

  118. By GaryC on Dec 21, 2012 | Reply

    Joe,would you really say Eli,Big Ben and Brees are elite this year.LIKE BEAUTY,ELITE IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER.

  119. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Seeing the Rays of the New Rising Sun on Dec 21, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with you about getting a young QB and grooming him to be elite, Ronbo19. Problem is, historically in these situations the Jets go for the Esiasons, the O’Donnells. and the Favres, dreaming they can go all the way with such guys when the team, as Lombardi said the other day, isn’t close to being close to winning big. And with the SB on our turf in 2014, it’s hard to see Woody putting Cousins on a 3-yr-plan especially when some, like Rex, were ready to give Sanchez a 6-yr-plan! So while I’ll be happy to see Mr T, Rex, Sparano, MS, TT, and much of the roster gone as early as 12/31, I see no evidence yet that the long-term, draft-based makeover we need is on the way. And Joe’s right, GaryC, the teams with the elite QBs win the SB.

  120. By GaryC on Dec 22, 2012 | Reply

    so if the niners texans,seahawks,ravens win the super bowl all of a sudden those quarterbacks are elite,same with the falcons with ryan,those qbs are not elite yet but winning one game will make them.

  121. By GaryC on Dec 22, 2012 | Reply

    I guess miracle catches by David Tyree and Mario Manningham made Eli elite.

  122. By Joe on Dec 22, 2012 | Reply

    GARY I SAID THE ELITE QBS FLIP FLOP THE LOMBARDI .In case you NEED TO BE REMINDED THE ODDS ON FAVORITES TO WIN THE SB THIS YEAR ARE ALL QUARTERBACKED BY PRO BOWLERS .Gary also IN CASE YOU NEED TO BE REMINDED EVERY SINGLE SUPER BOWL WINNING TEAM THE PAST 10 YEARS WAS QB BY A PROBOWL PLAYER .Gary in case YOU NEED TO BE REMINDED APPROX 90% OF ALL TEAMS THAT HAVE WON A SB WERE QB BY PRO BOWL PLAYERS.

  123. By GaryC on Dec 22, 2012 | Reply

    Jetfantom,GROOMING A QB TO BE ELITE,are you picking him up at the dog show.

  124. By Joe on Dec 22, 2012 | Reply

    Gary you EVER HEAR OF THE FOLLOWING QBS STARR,NAMATH ,UNITAS,STABLER,BRADSHAW,GRIESE,MONTANA,THEISMAN,AIKMAN,BRADY,ROTHSBBURGER ROGERS,BREES EMANNING P MANNING STAUBACK YOUNG SIMMS PLUNKET.Gary low and behold ALL WERE PROBOWL PLAYERS ,AND OR NFL MVP AND OR ARE IN THE HALL OF FAME Off the top of my head they have APPROX 35 SB WINS BETWEEN THEM .Tell me which one of the ABOVE NEVER WAS A PRO BOWLER .

  125. By Joe on Dec 22, 2012 | Reply

    DENIAL and THE INABILITY TO FACE REALITY are ALL HALL MARKS OF THE DELUSIONAL JET FAN LIVING IN HIS OR HERE FANTASYLAND OF SB VICTORYS TO COME (but NEVER DO ).Nevermind the fact that approx 90 % of all sb winners had a PRO BOWLER AT QB .Nevermind the fact THAT WE HAVENT WON ANYTHING SINCE THE LATE 60s (WE CAN DO IT )NEVERMIND THE FACT THAT WERE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE NFL AS WERE RANKED BY THE NFL NETWORK AS THE 6TH MOST SNAKEBIT FRANCHISE IN NFL HISTORY I dont know whether to laugh or cry .

  126. By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Dec 22, 2012 | Reply

    64, How true your words are. I just wanted to go on record as this is my preferred plan of action. Lord only knows what will actually happan.We as Jet lifers will more than likely support this tem no matter what. I am hearing on the radio and reading in the local papers a lot of talk of Woody giveing Tanney & Rex one more year to fix this mess.To me that means one more bad draft(unless anyone really thinks Coples & Hill are future stars?I am skeptical to say the least.)
    I hope what I am hearing is wrong but the next month will be compelling tomes for us Jet wacko’s!

  127. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Seeing the Rays of the New Rising Sun on Dec 22, 2012 | Reply

    Re the “futility” of this org, Joe, I agree with you not only about elite QBs but elite anything in the way of players as well as quality GMs and HCs. I’ve been telling people on this site for 2 yrs that Revis was dropping hints that he’s outta here if we don’t get a QB — now the entire D, including the DC, wants out! Any backpedaling about “Mark,” Rex, or whatever is sheer nonsense and Woody has to resist it. He either has to turn this whole team upside down or sell it to somebody who will. When you see the Jets winning the way Brady/P Manning and Wilfork/Dumervial are now, you’ll know we’re worth taking seriously again, not before.

  128. By Joe on Dec 23, 2012 | Reply

    Tom exactly as you and i have posted about this for years .In the words of Mike Francessa its not the NFL BUT THE NATIONAL QUARTERBACKS LEAGUE.History dictates THAT WITHOUT AN ELITE QB ITS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN THE SB .(LOL THE DENIAL FACTOR DICTATES NEVERMIND HISTORY AND THE FACT THIS ORGANIZATIONS HAS NOT WON SINCE THE LATE 60S WE CAN DO IT )Tom THE JET FANS LIVING IN A FANTASYLAND OF SB TO COME are only kidding themselves AS FOR YEY ANOTHER SEASON WERE OUT OF IT,

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