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Some Naughty, Some Nice for the Holidays

Posted by Randy Lange on December 24, 2012 – 2:09 pm

What do you want first, the good news or the bad news?

All right, good news first.

With one more favorable set of games on the last day of the season next Sunday, the Jets will have the NFL’s No. 1 pass defense for 2012.

Stay with me on this.

The Jets are No. 2 for the second week in a row, behind Pittsburgh’s No. 1 unit, but the gap closed significantly on Sunday. As the Jets were yielding 136 net yards (passing yards minus sack yards), to the Chargers, the Steelers gave up 253 to Andy Dalton and the Bengals. That leaves the Jets 30 yards behind the Steelers.

A Green & White shutdown of Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Bills coupled with a Steelers showing vs. Brandon Weeden and the Browns that is 31-plus yards than the Jets allow (and barring an even greater lockdown by No. 3 Arizona against No. 4 San Francisco or vice versa and by No. 5 Seattle against St. Louis) and the Jets will wear the No. 1 crown for pass defense in a year in which they didn’t have Darrelle Revis for 13 games and only lately started to bring serious, consistent pressure on opposing QBs.

What’s the point, you may ask over your eggnog. No. 1 pass defense isn’t a secret tiebreaker to get the Jets into the AFC playoff grid. It doesn’t pay incentives. There isn’t even a plaque for the wall downstairs at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center. And where was the vaunted passing D in Sunday’s third quarter?

That last question is easiest to answer, although I’ll sound like a coach here when I say they’re paying the Chargers, too. Philip Rivers is still a decent QB, Danario Alexander is a dangerous downfield threat, Antonio Gates is one of the long-time gold standards at TE. Yeah, it would’ve been great to see Antonio Cromartie play that ball to Alexander better and for Eric Smith to drop Gates right after the catch, but most teams would kill for a defense that gave up 10 of its 20 points off of short fields and allowed 136 yards of passing offense on the day.

“The defense played really well for the majority of the game,” head coach Rex Ryan said on a conference call with beat reporters today. “I thought we gave up two huge plays. One we really thought we had the coverage, then did a poor job from a technique standpoint. Then you’ve got to give them credit for a nice job of scheming us when they got Gates isolated. That was obviously a big play for them. I think that’s obviously the difference in the game. They were absolutely dominated on defense and they made enough plays on offense to win the game.”

But at least consider there’s carryover from everything, good, bad and mediocre. However the Jets’ offense shakes out in 2013, the defense figures to be a cornerstone for the Jets going forward. Mo and Q, the Hitman, Cro and Revis Island, et al., should be a major force in the future, and nothing like a top ranking to underscore that for newcomers to the fold. Plus 1 isn’t a crooked number and is better than a sharp stick in the eye.

And Now for the Naughty

The bad news is that, besides a sudden blocking problem — “That was as poor as I can ever remember, as far as pass protection is concerned,” Ryan said of the 11 sacks suffered by Greg McElroy and the offense — another issue has lately reared its ugly head. It’s a turnover problem.

We hate to say it on Christmas Eve, but the Jets have been doing too much giving and not enough taking.

In their last five games, they have a minus-14 turnover margin (four takeaways, 18 giveaways), dropping them to minus-13 on the year, 27th in the NFL. Furthermore, it’s tied for the most lopsided five-game in-season margin in franchise history with a stretch of the Jets’ inaugural season as the Titans in 1960, when they went minus-14 from Games 5-9 (14 TAs, 28 GAs). The only worse five-game stretch spanned the 1976 and ’77 seasons, when they had a minus-18 (9 TAs, 27 GAs) through the ’77 season opener.

On the one hand, this kind of trend can undo a lot of the good things a team might do, such as playing great pass defense or getting off the field on third down or returning and covering kickoffs. On the other, at least the Jets won two of the games in this five game span, vs. Arizona and at Jacksonville.

Regardless, some members of the defense spoke with me about optimizing takeaway opportunities, and that hasn’t happened with no turnovers for the defense, not even a forced fumble, the last two games. Just like great pass defense can continue into the offseason and the next preseason, so can that often whimsical but always important turnover habit.

There is no better time for McElroy and the offense to work on ball security and the D to step up its ball thievery than this season’s last live action against the Bills, who are minus-14 for the season and minus-8 in their last three games alone.

Rex Cetera

Ryan was grilled again about quarterbacks following the game. He deflected Sunday stories about sources offering information regarding Tim Tebow being active but not playing against the Chargers while Jeremy Kerley ran the Wildcat on several plays, most notably the 42-yard completion to Clyde Gates on the Jets’ second drive.

“You’re assuming something’s a fact or whatever,” Ryan said regarding questions about some of those sources. “I’ll say this: If I would’ve asked Tim to play anything, Tim would’ve gone in the game and done that. … Jeremy looked good in practice. That’s why I went with him. I could’ve used Tim. If I’d chosen to use Tim, I believe without any hesitation Tim would’ve been out there.”

Reporter John Holt will have a story on Kerley that we’ll post Christmas morning. And we’ll have more on Rex, the quarterbacks, and the rest of the Jets when we all return to the facility for Wednesday’s practice for the Bills. Until then, we’ll sign off now and wish you and yours the happiest of holidays.


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122 Responses to “Some Naughty, Some Nice for the Holidays”

  1. By Karan on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    OFFSEASON WORK:
    – Fire Mike Tannenbaum
    – Hire a smart GM (ex. Bill Polian (though I doubt he’ll want to come here))
    – Explore options for a new Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator and even QB ( I am not ready to give up on Sanchez, I believes he deserves at least one, just one more shot and as for Rex Ryan, he needs to wake up. I’m not giving up on him either but he needs to be the old fiery not taking talk from anyone Rex, of course without the Super Bowl guarantees. Its clear he’s not the same he once was when he first came here. I want him to be more like the old fun Rex and be smart at the same time. At heart, he’s a DC and they should move him to that position but lets give the guy one more shot. And as for exploring a new QB, thats….

  2. By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    O.K, so it was another ugly game where more negative records were set and we have one more to go through. At this point the running gag about the J-E-T-S being short for” Just End The Season” seems really appropo. That being said I would like to wish all of you who celebrate a very Merry Christmas, and to those of other faiths the Best to you as well!!!!!!!

  3. By TIM on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    1. The JETS should try an get ***(MATT FLYNN)*** as QB for the JETS!

    2. A lot of JETS have I have spoken to say, they would like **(MATT FLYNN)** as a JETS QB.

    3. Maybe (SANCHEZ) would make a DEAL with the JETS, and take a PAY (CUT) to have the JETS deal him away or to have SANCHEZ leave!

  4. By Karan on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    …….just in case, a good backup for now or the possible future. I’m still behind Mark and McElroy as the number 2 guy. Sparano, I like better than Schottenheimer because he does like to throw it deep on occasions but he needs to be better as does Sanchez. Still, I wouldn’t mind a new OC, either way, the most important thing is Tannenbaum is shown the door.)
    – Either sell the team or Mr. Johnson needs to make some major and better changes if he’s currently lost.
    – Find a good WRs coach who teaches these wideouts to get separation from the opposing secondary players.
    – Move Rex to DC or find a new one if Pettine does not return
    – Find a GREAT QBs coach
    – Find a GOOD Outside Linebackers coach since the current one is leaving
    …………

  5. By Karan on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    ……….
    – Find a good replacement for Mike Westoff since he will most likely not return
    – Find a new running backs coach
    – Release Shonn Greene
    – Sign Rashard Mendendall or a legit running back. ( I say give Joe McKnight a chance to start, he shows a little burst at times, why not right?)
    – Re-sign Braylon Edwards
    – Release Mardy Gilyard
    – Release Chaz Schilens
    – Either sign Patrick Turner as a 5th receiver or keep Clyde Gates as a 5th receiver (either way, pick one)
    – Wide Receiver depth chart should be:: Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Jeremy Kerley, Stephen Hill & Clyde Gates or Patrick Turner
    – Re-sign Jeff Cumberland
    – Re-sign Konrad Reuland ( if he’s a free agent)
    – Re-sign Dustin Keller
    ………..

  6. By Bennett on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    Quote of the day : NY POST ” The new Jets starting QB is picking Metlife Stadium out of his teeth this morning “

  7. By Karan on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    ……….
    – Choose to keep either Josh Baker or Hayden Smith as the 4th TE on the depth chart
    – DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS OFFENSIVE LINE
    -Re-sign Brandon Moore
    -Re-sign Austin Howard ( let him continue to learn and improve)
    – Re-sign Matt Slauson
    – Release Vladimir Ducasse ( PLEASE)
    – Re-sign Mike DeVito
    – Improve the D-line if need be but its good as is I think
    – Re-sign Lex Hilliard
    – Release Calvin Pace
    – Release Bart Scott
    – Make Demario Davis the starting ILB alongside Harris
    – Release Bryan Thomas
    – Find an awesome OLB!
    – Make Garrett McIntyre a starter at OLB
    – Re-sign Isaiah Trufant
    – Trade Kyle Wilson and a draft pick for a SS
    – Re-sign LaRon Landry
    – Re-sign Nick Folk and Robert Malone(if better options out there, get them)….

  8. By Karan on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    ………
    – keep the unmentioned players
    – find depth!
    – Stop being the laughingstock of the NFL
    – Most importantly, find a new GM!!

  9. By Karan on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    Oh yes, release Tim Tebow!
    Is pretty much a done deal

  10. By scjoe on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    Those pass defense statistics are misleading, the Jets are giving up more then 135 YPG rushing. That tells you all you need to know. As for Eric Smith covering the TE? I though it was sad watching Gates, at what? 39 years old? running away from Smith on that TD catch. That is not supposed to happen.

  11. By scjoe on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    Just like to wish Randy, his staff, and all my fellow Jet bloggers a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Me? All I want ofr Christmas is a new GM, a new QB and a new RB, OK, maybe a new OLB and a new OC as well.

  12. By Karan on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    A guy whos name I’ve been hearing a lot is Mangini. I know he’s a horrible head coach, but do you guys think he would make a good GM?

  13. By Frank on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    This team quit on Ryan for the second year in a row. While McElroy held the ball a little long a few times the pass protection was the worst I have ever seen. These guys should be ashamed of themselves and is the final evidence this team needs a make over.
    Merry Christmas!

  14. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 24, 2012 | Reply

    I am in agreement with you Randy on our defense> I feel Revis will make a great recovery and be a very effective part of the defense. The young players on defense can only improve in time. Offesively we look terrible, 11 sacks, it’s as though the offensecould not pass protect and still McElroy managed 175 yards passing. Not bad considering how many times he got sacked, what I liked about him is he hung in there and did not lose his poise. Most QB’S after being sacked that many times would have lost there confidence McElroy kept his poise.

    As for TT if it is true what is being said that he told the Coaches not to use him, then no matter what they should never put him in another game…

    Randy, great post 12/24/12. Merry Christmas…

  15. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for REAL changes on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    Needless to say, if there’s any truth to this rumor that Woody wants to keep Mr T around in a position of the slightest authority — a condition that no remotely qualified GM would ever accept — somebody needs to have a long and serious talk with Woody. (Maybe Mitt Romney, who may have learned the consequences of hiring someone — Paul Ryan — and then not ever really turning him loose on the field.)

  16. By Chicago Bob on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    Well, ladies and gentlemen after giving up 11 sacks to that pass-rushing juggernaut San Diego Chargers, this team has officially reached Defcon 2. Only with a loss to the Bills next Sunday can we achieve Defcon 1. I have been begging for an OLB who can pressure the QB for years however when you consider Moore has a season or two left, Slauson is most likely gone and we have zero depth on the OL, Chance Warmack is looking more and more attractive to this team. You can go back to the days of Randy Rasmussen and the Jets have never had a killer guard – when they got Faneca, he was a shell of his former self. Whomever they trot out there next year as QB is not going to stand a chance unless they get themselves another stud OL.

  17. By Chicago Bob on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    If initial reports are correct, Woody Johnson is at least starting off correctly – looking at a team (Houston) that has drafted well and looking at their director of scouting to replace Tannenaum. Houston may never win anything because they have the modern day version of Norv Turner (Gay Kubiak) as head coach however when a team can lose Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans and Eric Winston and basically not skip a beat, that speaks volumes about their ability to draft. Unfortunately Woody must realize that Mike T is the one who has gotten this team into salary cap hell and send him packing. The guy may be good in some means of finance however he should not be allowed anywhere near contract negotiations or personnel decisions

  18. By SOCALJETFAN on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    They should get rid of the offensive cordinator,make Rex a defensive coach,bring John Gruden as Head Coach,SANCHEZ will be a much better QB when he gets some receivers,make Mcelroy a back -up QB,and work on that horrible offensive line in the offseason,know wonder SANCHEZ was running for his life all season,on top of that he had NO receivers to throw too…

  19. By Byrdman on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    Anybody here blaming the “Offensive” stench coming from the QB position this year – DON’T BLAME TEBOW! Had to get that off my chest. Mark has not shown evidence that he has a better grasp of the position now than he did on draft day. Blame Woody for panicking after Favre left ! Blame T/Rex for drafting Sanchez against many annalists better judgement! Blame Jets for hiring Matt Cavanaugh as QB coach! Blame Tbomb & Rex for the lack of any real talent around Mark! Blame Tbomb for hiring Sparano! Blame Tbum & Rex for both agreeing it was a brilliant idea to acquire Tim Tebow – yeah it was a joint decision! Blame Sparano for his lack of creativity and coaching skill to implement an offense to maximize (what limited) skills Mark had! >>>>

  20. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for REAL changes on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    That’s the most extensive Jets-centric Christmas list I’ve ever seen, Karan! Happy holidays to all, if we get half of what you listed there I’ll be happy — though for me it still all starts with getting rid of Mr T, Rex, and Sanchez, enough is enough, those guys will never measure up in today’s NFL. scjoe, I thought the exact same thing, “There’s Eric Smith again, put him in for one series and he gets beat for 6 by a big TE.” And finally (before I go off for Christmas dinner), yes, Frank, excessive talk about “McElroy holding the ball too long” is utterly ridiculous. I had to blink to make sure I was seeing straight when he was sacked THREE TIMES IN A ROW ON THE VERY LAST TIME WE HAD THE BALL! I’ve NEVER seen that happen on ANY team EVER!

  21. By Byrdman on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    Blame Game continued – I blame the Jets organization for being dysfunctional and for projecting a LAUGHINSTOCK image around the league. Peyton Manning probably laughed hard when he heard the jets were pursuing him- don’t you think? Blame Rex for Lying to Tebow, first – giving Tim the impression that he’d be a significant part of the offense, second – every #2 QB KNOWS he has to prepare as though he’s the starter each week because he’s one snap away from starting if the #1 QB falters. I was not a big fan of Tebow when he was in Denver, started reading about him when he came to NY. He’s been a model for how a PRO Football Player should conduct himself, on and off the field, despite how the Jets have treated him.

  22. By Karan on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    Look at Mike McCoy or even Norv Turner as offensive coordinators. I hear the Jets are looking for a new one. They might be looking for a new one everything on offense.

  23. By Karan on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    You never know guys, Turner could make Sanchez a decent QB again. He’s a terrible head coach but perhaps good OC. However, most importantly like I’ve said before, number one priority is a new GM!

  24. By Byrdman on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    Blame Rant continues – Had the Jets front office management, and coaching staff been competent they would have seen (what we did) that Sanchez was not the answer. I Blame “Cap Guru” Tbum for 95% of this train-wreck a.k.a. the 2012/13 NY Jets. Sources I trust (former players, insiders) all say Tanny is essentially a “Yes Man” He doesn’t have any original ideas of his own, nor the experience and talent evaluation skills to be anything other than an accountant. The Jets don’t have a long term master plan to build a SB winner here because the GM (the architect on all great teams) simply lacks the wherewithal to draw even a basic blueprint for winning in the NFL!

  25. By Byrdman on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    If we had even a “competent” coaching staff in place they would have recognized this team lacked the explosive players on offense and the O-line that Tebow had out in Denver. In camp Rex should have seen how impotent the whole offense looked, as everyone else did during the preseason. Did anyone else notice how several other teams ran a “Pistol” VERY effectively this season? Reason number 57 why the Jets looked like a circus this season was when Rex bragged about how dangerous his “wildcat” would be? Yet, it was the LEAST dangerous “option” formation in the NFL by far. Feel like i should apply for a job with the Jets :D My resume’ is impressive (2 yrs high-school safety) I’ve got about 10 great pistol plays for Tebow – 10 more than Tony!

  26. By Bitter Blinka on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    I like him for what he did his first two years, but Rex must go. Funny how not many here complained too much about tannenbaum before Rex arrived. If I can fault him it is being bullied by Rex. Keep tannenbaum. Fire Rex.

  27. By Joe on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    DEFENCE MENS NOTHING AS PITTS AND THE JETS SIT HOME WATCHING MANNING BRADY and ROGERS win yet another SB Pitts home BECAUSE BEN R HAD A BAD YEAR .The onlt thing that matters is WINNING THE SB and to do so you need an elite QB NOT AN ELITE D

  28. By Joe on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    Its not the 80s as NO TEAM IS WINNING THE SB PLAYING BALL CONTROL AND D .The rules favor throwing the ball and scoring 30 plus points game .With the RULES TODAY A DEFENCE CANT POSSIBLY SHUT DOWN A ROGERS MANNING ECT ENOUGH TIMES TO WN THE LOMBARDI .A great d MIGHT control them for a game or 2 BUT NO WHERE NEAR THE AMOUNT OF TIMES TO WIN IT ALL .

  29. By Mike Jet Vet on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    Karan. Sanchez should get another chance ? Sparano is better than Schotty Fans like you, are the reason the bar has been set so low over the years. I understand second chances. I understand mistakes as well as the next,it’s beyond all that.. Let me ask oh wise one, lets say we give MS another year, let imagine he gets us to 9-7 or by some miracle 10-6 even with his 50% passer rating and his usual 10- 15 fumbles or his 15 – 20 INT’s per year, How far do you think he will go into the playoff’s against elite teams. he hasn’t talent enough,Every coach has the book on MS Blitz and he folds.. HE NEEDS TO GO

  30. By Joe on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    Regarding McELROY being sacked 11 x alot of it has to do with the COVERAGES (skymes)HE WAS FACING BECAUSE OF HIS INABILITY TO MAKE ALL THE THROWS ON THE FIELD (specifically WHEN D CORD KNOWS A QB CANT BEAT HIM DOWN THE FIELD THAT CORD COMMIT MORE PLAYERS TO THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS )MCELROY doesnt have PRO CALIBER ARM (HENCE THE 7TH ROUND DESIGNATION )TO IGNORE THIS FACT (AND THE IMPORTANCE OF IT) IS SHEAR IGNORANCE )

  31. By Charliejet on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    Forget Mat Flynn – everybody jumpin on that band wagon. Go get Matt Moore -is he available? I dunno…

  32. By Charliejet on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Karan – Mangini for GM. Not a bad idea.

  33. By RyanO on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    I think Karan has pretty much hit the nail on the head in assessing every aspect of this team moving forward. I’m not sure if he’d make a better GM than Tannenbaum or if he’s just aware of the painfully obvious. If they don’t fire Tannenbaum, and he follows through with some of the things on that list we will know with certainty that he reads the pages here on the website.

    I think Rex will regain his fire when Tannenbaum and Sparano are fired. He’s too busy being the face of the organization that has people in important positions around him making horrendous decisions. It has turned him into a timid apologist as he tries to be the glue and stay out of the limelight. How unfortunate.

  34. By IRA on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    Randy’s post about the secondary just adds more sense to what i have said since August. Trade Revis for some picks and a player makes the most sense for this team. If the Jets do not trade him they will risk the chance of losing him to free agency at the end of 2013. They can not tag him and they would get nothing for him. So if they take a little less in value now it still would be better. He is going to want Mario Williams type of money and that would be foolish considering the fact the Jets need to fill so many holes.

  35. By chris long time jet fan on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    ducasse and dbrickashaw played terrible makes me wonder wether rex was behind that ..trying to make mark look good..the team is in total dissaray.i have no faith or trust in rex….tebow and mcelroy will move on so there will be 2 more teams we wont beat..

  36. By chris long time jet fan on Dec 25, 2012 | Reply

    o line cant protect and quarterback cant throw so i think shonne greene needs another year..he did okay with absolutely no support..must add a blocking full back and back ups at almost every position. mark as back up and a starting qb.

  37. By Barker on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Well I for one can’t wait to see what Greg has to say this off season about the “TOXIC” locker room. I would not blame Tebow if he did refuse to play the wildcat. After spending all year with this team and their negativity it is bound to wear on a person no matter how positive he is. After some of the players ripped him and seeing how well the team played for Greg I wouldn’t risk injury for this team either. I do not believe the report that he refused anyway because the inside sources were probably the cook and the towel boy. I have a feeling that they will not let Tim go because Woody wants him around I think it will be the same old same old next year.

  38. By Charliejet on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Karan – Mangini for GM sounds like a very interesting idea. I’d say go for it.

  39. By Tom Spicer on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Though he is getting the start next week I think that was the official beginning and end of the Greg McElroy era. Normally there is a reason why players are drafted in the 7th round and never active on gameday and McElroy showed that today. In the post game Rex Ryan tried to pin a lot of it on the offensive line but most of those 11 sacks today were the fault of a Quarterback who had absolutely no idea what was going on. Some of the passes were nowhere near an intended target and clearly the arm is weak. He looked like a college QB trying to play in the NFL and that is never good.

  40. By Tom Spicer on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Where is Eli Rodreguiez according to him McElroy was the enxt coming of Tom Brady

  41. By Tom Spicer on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Now you guys can see what Sanchez has had to deal with for the last 2 years. No O line, no backs & no pass catchers. McElroy showed you that it aint all Mark They need O line, RB & WR’S to.

  42. By SCfromNY on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Today I have some QB musings: First, Tebow. I give him a pass if what they said about not wanting to play is true. They treated him like a starter with interviews and endless articles. If after 9 months of that he finally broke a little just shows he is human. Tebow himself needs to evaluate. After taking the Broncos to the playoffs and beating the Steelers only 2 teams wanted to give him a chance. he needs to accept the fact that he will not be a starting QB. I feel he would be best served transitioning to a TE. He could still run a wildcat on occasion. A team can not afford to tie up an active position on such a limied player. He is not a starting QB waiting as backup and his skill sets . A TE who can occasionally run the wildcat.

  43. By Tom Spicer on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Did anyone read that the Jets are talking to Mike Maccagnan the Texans director of college scouting to be the new Jets GM. I dont know how long he has been working there but I know this the Texans are one of the best drafting Teams in the NFL. So I am all for it.

  44. By Tom Spicer on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    League sources tell CBS the Jets are planning to replace GM Mike Tannenbaum, but hope to keep him in a “cap management role.”
    The Jets are reportedly already “reaching out” to potential GM candidates. However, according to reporter Jason La Canfora, candidates are having “significant issues with the parameters.” Tannenbaum has not only failed as a talent evaluator, but as a cap manager, handing out many terrible contracts.
    The good news for Jets fans, however, is that at the very least, it appears Tannenbaum will no longer be overseeing the draft and free agency. The Jets might finally have a chance in player evaluation.

  45. By GaryC on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    funny,the only time I heard Melvin Ingram’s name all year was against the jets.

  46. By Tom Spicer on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora reports that the Jets’ firing of offensive coordinator Tony Sparano is “imminent.”
    Sparano has been fileted on ESPN and elsewhere for the offense he fielded in 2012, which saw Mark Sanchez take yet another step back in his career. Per La Canfora, GM Mike Tannenbaum is Sparano’s biggest supporter inside the Jets’ organization, and Tannenbaum may very well be fired as well.

  47. By GaryC on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Chicago Bob,Dwayne White and Dan Alexander were pretty good guards,would take them now.

  48. By SCfromNY on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    con’t . . . karan, 1 more shot? His demeanor and field presence will never translate into a starter. An excellent backup capable of running an offense if #1 is injured. Forget about his winning record. Tony Romo in 10 years has only 1 playoff win. Sanchez has 4. BUT, Romo does not get all weepy and hang his head when he is losing. He is still out there slinging the ball around trying to win a game. He is not hoping that the D will shut out the other team. He plays to win. He doesn’t play not to lose and that’s Sanchez’s mindset. When way behind, like Brady, feels he can still win. Sanchez looks defeated and your leader can not do that. 11 sachs and McElroy never looked depressed. 8,000,000 jet fans contributing a $1 and he’s gone.

  49. By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    RANDY, God bless you my man because only you could come up with a positive spin on this season at this point.And no, I am not being sarcastic. While you make alot of good points I think S.C.Joe makes an equally good point about the run defence.From my perspective, while the defence has put up a pretty good statisticle season, there are clearly some major issues that need to be addressed. The run defence has been poor throught out the season as the Bills torched them in the first game and the trend has continued throughout.Obviously, there is a need for faster more athletic players at the L.B posisitions and improved play from the D.L as well.With Landry likely leaving via free agency there will be a hugh hole at safty as well.

  50. By russ on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    IT”S NOT THE QUARTERBACK!…its the people around him that just are plain lousy. that belongs squarely with the front office….Putting players like Ducasse and Hunter on the field, recvers who dont catch, is not the quarterbacks problem…this team is poorly put together and will not be repaired by a draft unless their is a coordinated effort to make this team a viable presence in all aspects of football..Defense, Offense and Special teams…

  51. By IRA on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    We will see were this goes with Mr T but did anybody take a minute to think Mr Johnson wouldn’t let him spend any money this year since they were reported to be 9 mill over the cap entering the season? Wonder if they signed a WR and an OL or RB if they might have won a few more games?

  52. By Chicago Bob on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Gary C: White and Alexander were solid however neither of them were close to being considered the best at their position. Jets have had some outstanding centers in Schmitt, Fields and now Mangold. Winston Hill, Marvin Powell and Ferguson were considered near the top at their position at OT however they have never had a guard who was considered close to elite. Wilfolk just came off a solid season and the Bills have those two slobs (Dareus, Kyle Williams) in the middle – would be very helpful having this kid blocking them twice a year. Like I have said before, some reports have him better than Decastro and a number of people had DeCastro better than Hutchinson. This is a weak QB class so let’s not make the mistake of reaching for one

  53. By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    64, Amen brother! No way any decent G.M. candidate is gonna want Tanney lurking in the wings to throw him under the bus. I really hope the latest rumors about Tanney getting the boot are true. I hate the idea of anybody getting fired as that is never a pleasnt thing. However, as Tanney has made a lot of money since coming to the Jets I’m think’n he will be just fine! He is obviously a bright guy and will no doubt get other opportunities elsewhere. KARAN, in view of how this season has gone down do you really want to bring back 90% of this team? I went down your list and it was like lets bring them all back(except a couple of L.B’s? You are a nice person who see’s the good in everyone, but we need to let go a lot more of those names.

  54. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    The way I see it it is time to get rid of Tannenbaum and Sparano… Never mind second chances. It is time to talk to “GRUDEN” and make him “GM and HC” and start building with the draft. There are some damn good offensive players in the 2013 draft such as:Eric Fisher OT Central Mich., Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma, Oday Obushi OT Virginia, Dallas Thomas OT Tenn, how about some good RB such as Giovini Bernard NC. Some of these players will be available for the JETS to grab. We have a good defense and with Revis coming back next year and the young defensive players imrproving it will be great next year. I do agree they have to learn to tackle a little better. Bujt we need offensive linemen who can block and keep a QB from sacked 11 times in

  55. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

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    a single game. No QB can stand up to that kind of on-slaught by a defense, not MS or McElroy, not even Peyton Manning or Brady could be effective if they were sacked 11 times in one game…. There is “NO” excuse for 11 sacks in one game., I don’t know who or QB will be next year but if management5 does not go after young ofeensive players the JETS offensively will be NO better then they are this year…

  56. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

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    As for Rex, keep him and demote him to defensive coach. That he can do and he does it well…

  57. By Allan O'Dane on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Hope everyone had a wonderful Holiday…been under the weather for a couple of days…fighting thru it…Boy G-Mac had a rough day at the office. But let’s look at this performance on what it was. This was G-Mac first start. He doesn’t have timing down with the WR’s and TE’s. An NFL QB should hold the ball for no more than 4 seconds. The offense line can only hold but for so long. I still want to see what this kid has with a new OC and QB coach. If he is a career backup QB then so be it at least he should be given a chance. Nice to hear that Sparano is on his way out along with Cavanaugh. Mike Tannenbaum going back to handling the cap. New GM on the way. Mike Pettine I won’t shed any tears for you if you leave.

  58. By GaryC on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    THIS IS NO JOKE,Take Joeckl and trade Ferguson for those extra picks and Ball in the second round if he lasts and the offense will be back on the ball,no pun intended.maybe those extra picks can lead us to Ertz and maybe sign and trade Keller,on top of that bring in either Fassel or Shaw the head coach of Stanford,who continues winning even after losing Luck, a Stanford mind is a terrible thing to waste,just ask Jim Harbaugh.

  59. By Allan O'Dane on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    I would like to see certain players on this squad if the $ is right. 1. RB/ Reggie Bush. He still has some legs and can catch the ball out of the backfield. keep Powell as the Back up RB and McKnight. 2. QB/ M.Moore/C.Henne 3.WR/Bowe/Wallace, we need a deep threat. I like Edwards but I would put him at #4. If we can land either Bowe/Wallace line him up with Holmes and Kerley that should give us a decent WR unit.Have Edwards come in like Cotchery did as #3 or 4. Use Kerley in the slot. TE. Keller is the most frustrating out of them all. You see he has the talent but never really put it together here. What I am afraid of is that he goes to NE or Atlanta and becomes the star we always wanted him to be here.

  60. By Tom Spicer on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Joe CAPS, There are 6 ELITE QBS in the NFL. Peyton, Eli, Brady, Brees, Big Ben & Rodgers. Half of them did not make the playoffs. Only 3 or 25% of the 12 playoff teams have ELITE QBS. What do you have to say for yourself now? What happened to Eli, Big Ben & Brees? I thought that they could not be beat?

  61. By scjoe on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, you have to be realistic, you are going to compare a 7th round pick who started a grand total of ONE game to a 4 year starter who was selected 5th overall? I don’t know if this kid will even stick around, but don’t you think a little more body of work is warranted before you make any comparisons?

  62. By Allan O'Dane on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    The new GM MUST draft a QB and offensive line for the future. Our defensive line with Ellis/Wilkerson/Coples look to be bright. Now we need some help at the LB positions,
    Davis/Harris will man the MLB. McyIntre doesn’t look bad at the OLB needs better coverage skills but he knows how to rush the QB. We need another OLB I like the kid from Houston C.Barwin. Revis/Cro the best CB Tandem in the NFL. Sign Landry (But I can also see him playing for the Ravens next year too) let the rookie Bush/Allen play FS our secondary looks solid.

  63. By since shea on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    My last post said to trade Revis for picks that could bring us an O line among other things. We really didnt fail this year because of not having Revis. Next thing, why are we hearing that Tbomb should be kept as the CAP specialist? He gave Sanchez the $8 mil guaranteed extension with a 17 mil cap hit if we dump him. We are in a cap mess for next year. Is he a guru like his buddy Sporano is an OC guru? They must go. Finally, this organization should apologize to Tebow for the abuse, the lies, the misleading words, for wasting a year of his life and maybe killing his career. Yet, the kid always showed class. I was never for bringing him here. I hope he has enormous success with Jax. Its no wonder we might be the most disliked team in the US.

  64. By Karan on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Glad to see some of you agree with the list. I think whats most important in the first round this year is the Jets drafting an OLB. This team seriously needs an OLB, not a DE/NT/DT. Just an OLB. I hear this kid Barkevious Mingo (funniest name I’ve heard, haha) is pretty good. Some of these LSU players turn out to be good in the NFL, Patrick Peterson of Arizona for example and the New York Jets LaRon Landry. People say he’s the next Aldon Smith, I don’t know about that, I’ll believe when I see it because Aldon Smith is a really special player, great draft pick for the 49ers. But anyways, the Jets should consider drafting this young man. They should have Garrett McIntyre on one side and either Mingo OR they should pursue Conner Barwin……..

  65. By Karan on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    ……..from the Texans via free agency. Barwin should suit the Jets cap situation, should be cheaper than most OLBs. I mean David Harris, DeMario Davis, Garrett McIntyre and Barkevious Mingo OR Conner Barwin is not bad as a starting unit here. First things first, its time to say bye to the 3 veterans in Pace, Scott and Thomas. Thank you for your services but the Jets now need to get younger at those respective positions.

  66. By scjoe on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Charlie Jet, yes, Matt More will be available, and in my opinion the best possible “short term” solution, all things being considered, including cap numbers. The problem I see is, does Matt Moore want to come to the circus? I honestly see that as a potential stumbling block.

  67. By Stevesc on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    If MS is back next season, he should not be given the starting job at qb, as some of you have mentioned. That was part of the problem this season. The job should be up for grabs, with a healthy competition between him, GMac, or any other qb brought in. That will bring out the best in all, and may the best man win. Karan, as far as Rex returning to his old self, that will never happen unless he has a winning team. Talk is cheap, and you have to back it up on the field. The reason he is eating humble pie is because of the horrible play by this team, and until that changes, welcome to the new Rex.

  68. By scjoe on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    64, my take on those sacks? Half were on McElroy, not that you can put that much blame on him considering it was his first start ever and had no resemblance of a run game. I would put this analogy on what happened, and I think Spicer will appreciate this. If it were Peyton or Rodgers out there, same run game, same O line, I think you would have seen at least 2TD passes and maybe 2-3 sacks, with Sanchez, “maybe” one TD pass and about 5 or 6 sacks, and we saw what happened with McElroy. See where I am going? What I am really hoping for is major improvement in his second start

  69. By GaryC on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    I guess if ELITE is the new in word for quarterbacks these days I guess Montana and Bradshaw were the ELITEST,seeing they NEVER LOST A SUPER BOWL,unlike some of our so called elites nowadays.

  70. By scjoe on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    According to my calculations, and I do believe they are accurate, depending on what happens in week 17, the Jets could pick as high as #8 and as low as #16. Of course that would include a couple of possible, but not very probable situations, such as Arizona beating SF. I guess I just don’t have anything else to do. (;-)

  71. By scjoe on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Russ, correction, it IS the QB…… ALONG WITH, all those lousy players around him. I always say. “if you are not a part of the solution, then you are a part of the problem”.

  72. By Another Tom on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    I will be happy if the only 2 FA ‘s we re-sign are Landry and Greene- both Tough footballers…I dont understand the fascination with Rex and Sanchez from some posters..there are many candidates that can easily replace both . they are not part of the solution here. One thing for sure is that we need credible , first class management leading this organization..

  73. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for REAL changes on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    While I take no pleasure in anyone’s misfortune, it’s encouraging that the top 3 on ESPN’s “Most Loathed” list are Sanchez, Mr T, and Rex, because it shows that Jet fans have had enough. Chicago Bob, I had the EXACT same thought about the HOU guy, they draft well and have groomed stars (and solid backups) who are making a fraction of what Holmes, Revis, and of course “Mark” are getting. Ira, great analysis of the Revis situation, he must go and we need the picks THIS YR! Joe and Spicer, if McElroy’s arm gets stronger, which is a big if, he may well work out. It’s way too early to write him off and anyone who can’t see his infinitely superior view of the field and decision-making ability over Sanchez has no idea how to watch QB play.

  74. By Carolina Jet Fan on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    rex should have been gone after losing the team last season {at least shotty had the preseance to sit holmes}. any profesinal and responsible organization does not leave senior management in place once they loose control. he’s a good man but in over his head. IF woody ran johnson & johnson like the jets , consumers would not support a defective product. most of us however have an emotional bond {some of us for 40 years} to the jets and find difficult to adjust to this mess.

  75. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for REAL changes on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    “We have one game left” is my favorite thing Rex has said this season. The part I’m really looking forward to starts Monday morning, when hopefully I’ll get the word that Mr T and Rex are on their way out and this team is ready to join the 21st-century NFL, one that puts the biggest emphasis on (the CAPS are for Joe) THE DRAFT AND THE NEED FOR AN ELITE QB!

  76. By Frank on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer its time to clean house. Rex lost the team last year and after saying this was the best team he has had since he got here the excuses are over he is a lousy HC he needs to go. Tannenbaum has imploded he is done and the same can be said of Sanchez.
    Everyone pay attention Eric Decosta the asst. GM of the Ravens he is the guy we need to go after. Check out his track record the Ravens are loaded and he is the guy.
    Last year I suggested firing Rex and hiring Joe Philbin and the Dolphins grabbed him and look at the great job he has done there. This team needs an offensive innovator and a no nonsense guy like him.

  77. By Joe on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    You guys ARE FIGHTING OVER WHO HAS THE BEST CABIN ON THE TITANTIC .ABSOLUTITLY POSITIVELY NONE OF IT MATTERS IN THE LEAST BIT (COACHES D PLAYERS O PLAYERS )The reason NONE OF IT MATTERS IS THERES NO QUARTERBACK HERE.(DO YOU GUYS EVER LOOK AT HOW OTHER TEAMS IN THIS LEAGUE WIN THE COLTS AND REDSKINS seasonS are oblivious.)Bill COWHER has gone on record saying HE WILL NOT COME OUT OF RETIREMENT TO COACH UNLESS HES SURE THAT TEAM HAS A FRANCHISE QB IN PLACE AS ITS ALL TOTALLY IRREVELANT WITHOUT A QB Every year the sb winner is DETERMINED BY WHICH ELITE QB IS PLAYING THE BEST

  78. By Joe on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    WEAK QB CLASS STRONG QB CLASS ITS STILL A CRAPSHOOT .All in all theres no mistake in reaching BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THATS GUARANTEED IS THE TEAM IS NOTHING WITHOUT A QB .LAST YEAR SHANNOHAN GAVE EVERYTHING UP FOR YEARS to GET A QB BECAUSE WITHOUT ONE NONE OF IT MATTERS . The NINERS offered PAYTON 90 million to get him .The NINERS were one game from the SB AND REALIZED NONE OF IT MATTERS .The only thing that matters is a sb .EVERY position on the field is irrevelant in comparasion.In the first STEELER RAVEN GAME THE POINT SPREAD CHANGED 7.5 POINTS WHEN PITTS REVEALED BEN WAS OUT

  79. By Joe on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Not for anything dont you guys ever wonder why the GIANTS PACKERS PATS SAINTS STEELERS FLIP FLOP QB THE LOMBARDI EVERY YEAR often with no running games and avg ds .Dont you wonder WHY THE NFL MVP IS ALWAYS A QB .(THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IS ALWAYS A QB BECAUSE THE QB IS ALWAYS THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER ) Dont you wonder how COLTS AND REDSKINS ADD JUST ONE PLAYER AND GO FROM DOORMATS TO INSTANT SB CONTENDERS.

  80. By GaryC on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Montana beat Marino,Elway,Ken Anderson and Boomer,Now that is really elite,and he did not lose to another elite quarterback.

  81. By scjoe on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Ira, I said it last year, and I was right, so I will say it again this year, the cap is not as much a problem as some are led to believe.Letting go guys like J Smith, E. Smith, Scott, Pace and Thomas will save over 20 Mil even after dead money. As for Sanchez? Unless they can work a trade whereby they pick up a good portion of his salary, he will be right back here at 8 Mil to be the b/u QB. Thank You Mike Tannenbum. Then, factor in the salary savings by releasing many at the bottom of the roster who average about half a Mil apiece, and they will be fine. Sure, many have to be replaced, but it shouldn’t be to difficult finding upgrades at or below those current salaries. Thanks again Mr T.

  82. By Mike Jet Vet on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Want to hire a College coach, Boise State Head coach is our guy in my opinion, look up his record last 5 -6 years this man is a football genius machine. no matter how many players he turns over,.no matter who he plays,. He wins…. Spicer at it again G-mac gets mauled mostly for lack of effort by coaching and poor O-line play . Spicer he still didn’t turn the ball over 4 times . as usual defending Sanchez with nonsense like, see what Sanchez had to pull up with coaches receivers, Schotty, everything and anything. he forgets all the games our Defense and O- line played their hearts out only to watch Sanchez trip over his feet and play book, losing very important winnable games by being blown out or by 7 or less

  83. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for REAL changes on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    scjoe, the sacks that “were on McElroy” were on him because he was told by Rex to do anything but throw an INT, like the way Kerley, an explosive PR guy, somehow leads the NFL in fair catches. As many have said (including Arte on the phone to me), the entire timid character of this team is largely on Rex, who just doesn’t understand how games are won today. Spicer, that’s your most dishonest post since last yr’s Sanchez stats — sure there will be some young QBs in the playoffs this yr who aren’t yet “elite,” they’re just gonna be next yr. This is also the 2nd yr in a row you’ve talked about Ben R as if he hasn’t fought off injuries like a Spartan and even missed games, which obviously largely explains PIT’s problems. Back at ya, Ronbo!

  84. By ELI RODRIGUEZ / on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer: I’m right here if G-MAC looked bad- how did the line look to you. It was a tough night indeed but they got two scores. Now I know you are not comparing ONE game by McELROY to 3 1/2 years of M.S. are you.

  85. By realjetfan on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    the jets should try to get either Cam Cameron, Hue Jackson, Norv Turner (if he gets axed), or Ken Whisenhunt( If he gets axed) to be the OC. they should also draft some OL and revamp their WR position.

  86. By realjetfan on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Mangin as a GM is not a bad Idea. if you look at the players he brought into cleveland, they are pro caliber players in the league. he drafted alex, joe haden tj ward, colt mccoy. help groom aythba rubin, and peyton hillis. that guy is a terrible head coach, but he sure know talent.

  87. By Tom Spicer on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    SCJoe, What I was trying to say & maybe it did not come out right was this. Now McElroy knows what Sanchez has had to deal with. Having no valid pass catchers, a back up running back at best starting & the last 2 years a o line that is playing significantly worse than in 2009 & 2010. Exspecially at the right tackle spot it has not been noticed this year cause Wayne Hunter was the hands down worst RT in the entire NFL. But Howard is nto good just Hunter makes him look good. Please look it up they have Howard as one of the worst RT’s in football.

  88. By Allan O'Dane on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    So…let me get this straight…McElory is out with a concussion. And Ryan is going to start Sanchez? This proves more and more that Ryan did not want Tebow here in the first place and that he had no intention on starting Tebow whether mark was bad or not. Because if he started Tebow and Tebow does well and wins…Everyone will come down on Rex and say “Why didn’t you make this move earlier?” Now if he stinks up the place people will know for a fact that Tebow was brought here soley for selling tickets. WOW….What a mess this team has become…Monday morning can’t come quick enough!

  89. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for REAL Changes on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, Allan, and it’s no accident that Rex’s “mess” has to do with the position that matters most in the NFL these days and which he understands least, QB.

  90. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    This is the first I heard of McElroy having a concussion. If that’s true then MS should start. I can not forget the words of TT “DO NOT PLAY ME”. He does not deserve to start after that comment. No matter how you look at it and no matter who the QB is next year. If we do not draft offensive players that can block and stop the pass rush we wiill be in the same position as this past year. a good OFFENSE allows a QB to create a passing game, from the passing game a good running game can follow. We need offensive players on the line.

    There are some good coaches that will be available in 2013, lets get a couple of them…

  91. By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, you are right about the sac’s being on Mac. I watched the game over and most of the sac’s were on three step drops(timeing patterns) For those of you who are not as fanatical as others here a 3 step drops means the Q.B takes 3 steps reading his keys(where the d.b or L.B lines up) as he drops back and throws the ball where he antisapates the reciever will be.There is a lot of strict timeing on these patterns and if everyone is on the same page a high probability of success. The problem is any indecisevness on the Q.B or recievers part will doom the play.A Q.B makeing his first start will usually struggle like Mac did.i agree with your assessment 100%

  92. By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    WHATS UP? I’m seeing a lot of crazy ideas here about hireing Mangini as G.M, or makeing Rex the new head coaches D.Coordinator, Tanney the Salary cap guy? None of these ideas are bad thoughts but let me just say this; STOP!!!!!! Not gonna happan! First of all, Mangini’s parting from the Jets was,shall we say, less than amicable. I dont see Woody & Mangenious sipping martini’s anytime soon. Even if Rex would be willing to be demoted to D.C there is no way the new H.C would want the guy who’s place he took looking over his shoulder.(would you?)Ditto a new G.M with Tanney.While this makes interesting conversation its just not what happans in any business,let alone the NFL.

  93. By Joe on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    SPICER laSt TIME I CHECKED EVEYY SB WON THE PAST 10 YEARS WAS BY ONE OF THE 6 (SPICER REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU LAST YEAR ON THIS TOPIC DONT YOU Brady verseS MANNING)Spicer the last time i checked P MANNING ROGERS BRADY TEAMS WERE FAVORED TO WIN THE SB THIS YEAR Spicer NAME THE LEAGUE MVP .(ILL GIVE YOU A HINT HES AN ELITE QB )Spicer i forgot to ask you HOWS THE QB YOU THOUGH WAS GOING TO BE A KEEPER DOING THESE DAYS We should all look back at SPICER MAN CRUSH ON MARK SANCHEZ( 5 YEARS AND TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOOLARS WASTED ).Spicer all last year i told you HE WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A BACK UP AT BEST

  94. By Joe on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    SPICER BRADY ROGERS ROTHESBURGER BREES MANNING BROTHERS ALL HAVE HAPPENED TO WIN THE LAST 10 SB (GO FIGURE ) Spicer ALL OF THEM ELITE AND HEADED TO THE HOF For years you came on this board TO FEABLY TRY TO MAKE EXCUSE FOR SANCHEZ WHILE THE ABOVE WAS WINNING ONE SB AFTER ANOTHER .Spicer the above is fact.This year IT SUDDENLY DAWNED ON YOU THAT SANCHEZ IS TERRIBLE(DUH ).Spicer lets hear your reasoning as to WHY THE SKINS AND COLTS IMPROVED SO RAPIDLY THIS SEASON with the addition of just one player

  95. By Joe on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Tom GREAT points as SPICER doesnt realize that qb like LUCK RG-3 AND RYAN will NO DOUBT TAKE THE TORCH FROM BRADY and the Manning BROS ECT .Spicer hows your boy SANCHEZ doing these days I know you got some kind of stat somewhere to justify how great he is

  96. By GaryC on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Joe,you are already setting up Ryan now as Elite,you might as well put Brad Johnson,Trent Dilfer,Mark Rypian,there too,it is becoming obvious no matter what quarterback wins the super bowl he will be elite to you.I guess being a Jet Fan for many years all quarterbacks are looking Elite to you after years of watching Vinny,Foley,Boomer,Woodall,Nagle and whoever else they had.I also see where now you are going back to the dark ages,bringing up Starr and Staubach and others when you said those guys didn’t matter in this age of football.

  97. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for REAL Changes on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Back at ya, Joe! Lemme tell some of you guys something about my man Joe CAPS. I don’t agree with him all the time (only about 90%) and I don’t think the CAPS are always necessary in such numbers, though some folks probably don’t like my CAPS either. But I’ll say this about Joe: He’s one of the guys on this site that I’d most want to work for, with, or hire, because HE LIVES IN THE REAL WORLD, DOESN’T BUY INTO JET FANTASY NONSENSE, AND KEEPS HIS EYE ON THE PRIZE WHICH IN THE NFL TODAY IS SCORING PTS, DOMINATING, AND BEATING THE OTHER GUYS SO BAD THAT THEY LOSE NEXT WK’S GAME! Sorry if that’s too many CAPS for some of you, including Spicer and Karan, who better give up these delusions about Sanchez before they become mentally crippling.

  98. By Tom Spicer on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    JOE CAPS, With the same post OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER AGAIN! LOL come up with something new 1 time!

  99. By Tom Spicer on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    JOE CAPS, Big Ben, Eli & Bress can not be beat LOL all home for the winter LOL WRONG!

  100. By Tom Spicer on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    JOE CAPS, Your mothers daughters sisters cousins next door neighbor played football for Nebraska BLAH BLAH BLAH!

  101. By Tom Spicer on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Eli Rodreguez, It looked like the same exact o line I have been talking about for the last 2 years.

  102. By Tom Spicer on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Tom 64, Dishonest post really sorry bud none of my posts are dishonest. Actually you have selective memory bud you continue to change history the way it fits you. You constantly post about how for years you have said about how bad Sanchz was meanwhile until the Jets lost there final 3 games last year you were fully on the bandwagon. I have a fantastic memory & I can post word for word some of your posts last last year if you want?

  103. By GaryC on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    Touche,Tom Spicer,Joe is just showing his distaste for Sanchez by naming every other quarterback in the NFL as elite.Nothing else matters on the team but a quarterback,if that is the case,just do those old quarterback challenges and have the elite quarterbacks throw it through the tires 50 yards away to settle the Super Bowl champion.

  104. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    I read every post in here and some are good and some are bad and very criticle of other’s. We are all frustrated over this past seasons performance of the “JETS OFFENSE” AS FOR THE “defense” they played well even though they were on the field most of the time. RANDY I agree with you on our defense, it is good there statistics prove that and we will be getting Revis back next year. KAREN, I am glad to see you now see that the offense is what we have to rebuild, there is “NO” question in my mind to this. There are some very good offensive lineman coming out of college this year including some very good RB’S and that’s what we need to protect the QB and give him time to pass, the passing game opens up the running game and if the Jets have

  105. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    (Continued)
    both an offense and defense next year we might get some where. None of us know who the QB will be in 2013 ande if it is McElroy and MS they need protection. WE ALSO NEED coaching starting from the “GM, HC AMONG OTHER COACHES” i hoper Sparano and Tan are gone. As for REX, demote him to defensive coach, He is not a HC but he damn sure is good as a defensive coach… Well, Sunday is our last game foir the 2012 season, MS is the QB, Mark I hope you do well so we do not go out with a loss… “LETS GO JETS”….

  106. By GaryC on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    I guess Dilfer,Johnson took the torch from Aikman and Young.

  107. By Tom Spicer on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    JOE CAPS, Is already trying to cover his tracks now all of a sudden Matt Ryan is ELITE let him win 1 playoff game ONE! before we call him that. RG3 is now ELITE did the Redskins even MAKE the playoffs yet? Andrew Luck is now ELITE who has 21 TDS & 23 TOTAL TURNOVERS. I think it is safe to say that you need to at least win 1 playoff game in your life & have more TDS than turnovers in a season BEFORE you are ELITE. I think my 4 year old would know that!

  108. By GaryC on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    joe,do the names Jerry Tagge and Jeff Kinney ring a bell.Don’t research.

  109. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Waiting for This to Get Interesting on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer, it was dishonest of you, as scjoe said, to stretch to write off McElroy after 1 game when YOU stuck with Sanchez till a few wks ago! ME, I posted many times 2 yrs ago how ominous Sanchez’s terrible game vs PIT in the playoffs was. Very early on last yr, I said it wasn’t the O line or the new WRs, it was MS’s lack of QB skills and confidence. By middle of the yr, I said he should have to compete with McElroy and someone like Orton or Campbell THIS yr, but you kept throwing meaningless and often inflated, garbage-time stats at us. And of course I went nuts when Mr T re-did MS’s deal instead of cutting it back. And what were YOU doing when we lost the last 3 games last yr? Denying and denying, like you did again after Sunday’s game…

  110. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Waiting for This to Get Interesting on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    And by the way, Spice, since I have a terrific memory as well, I also remember you LAST yr — when ANYBODY shoulda been able to see that Sanchez needed to earn the job — saying that Sanchez should get THIS yr to show what he’s got BEFORE having to earn the job. Well, you got what you wanted, right? Sanchez was handed the job this yr without having to earn it and he was worse than ever. You happy now?

  111. By Joe on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    MATT RYAN is a 2 time PRO BOWL SELECTION The last time i checked the man was an all star The FALCONS ENTIRE SEASON RESTS ON HIM IF THEY WIN THE SB ITB WILL BE BECAUSE OF HIM tHE FOLLOWING QB HAVE WON THE SB THE PAST 10 YEARS BRADY ROTHESBURGER BREES MANNING BOTHERS .ROGERS every single one of them are going to the hof Gary which ones are not elite TELL US .

  112. By Joe on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    As far as SPICER no single person on this forum has been set straight more than him .Up untill last week HE THOUGHT SANCHEZ WAS A FRANCHISE QB (if that doesnt tell US ALL VOLUMES NOTHING DOES )lAST YEAR SPICER forgot that REX GUARANTEED US A SB WIN Iam not kidding

  113. By Joe on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    Hey SPICER PAYTON Manning is the leagues MVP , he home for the holidays .Spicer wheres BRADY AND ROGERS .Spicer ever hear OF ANDREW LUCK RG-3 MATT RYAN (YOU WILL )Luck and rg-3 single handidly MADE THEIR TEAMS SB CONTENDERS (LIKE YOUR GUY SANCHEZ DID FOR US )Come on SPICER GIVE US SOME USELESS STAT TO JUSTIFY HOW GOOD SANCHEZ IS .Guys every one on the board SHOULD LOOK BACK AND REVIEW SPICERS POSTS .Last year in MIAMI SANCHEZ THREW 2 INTERC TO 2 DIFFERENT INTER D LINEMAN AND SPICER BLAMED THE PLAY CALL

  114. By Joe on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    Tom thank you .I refuse to live in the DELUSIONAL FANTASYLAND THAT SOME ON THIS BOARD OCCUPY.Tom you would think that THEY WOULD BE EMBARRASSED LOSING YEAR AFTER YEAR SINCE THE LATE 60S Instead of LEARNING (EMULATING HOW SB CHAMPIONS ACCOMPLISH THEIR FEATS )certain fans on this site use denial (IT DOESNT MATTER THAT 90% OF ALL SB WINNERS HAD A PRO BOWL LEVEL QB WE DONT HAVE ONE SO WE DONT NEED ONE )Tom the fact that were one of the MOST FUTILE ORGANIZATIONS IN NFL HISTORY ESCAPES THEM Notice not one of them have a counter for the 90% of all sb winners had a pro bowler at qb

  115. By Jet Fan Since '64 Living My Nightmare on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Joe, I think it’s like I said to one well-known fan on this site a few wks ago, and it’s the sign of a loser franchise, I saw it with the ’60s Mets, Yankees, and Giants: Fans start thinking of the players as their friends, of the team as their family, and they take satisfaction in that. It may make sense in the same way that the Stockholm Syndrome makes sense but it doesn’t win ball games, doesn’t win SBs, and I want no part of it. If I met “Mark” in person I’d be perfectly nice to him, just like I am to anyone I meet. As far as this site goes, though, “Mark Sanchez” is just the name of a terrible QB that we shoulda seriously started questioning when we were down 24-0 at the half to PIT — as I told Spicer on this site the very next day.

  116. By ELI RODRIGUEZ/ I WONDER WHAT'S NEXT! on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Spicer: might be the same line but they took the 2nd half off, wouldn’t you say. We need fresh NEW blood- at GM-COACHING-QB-PLAYERS–HECK, PHILOPHY. I HOPE THEY CLEAN HOUSE…..I REALLY DO OR THERE WILL BE MANY EMPTY SEATS NEXT YEAR AND WOODY WOULDN’T HAVE THAT.

  117. By Joe on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    PS Tom deep in SPICERS HEART HE STILL HAS THAT WARM FUZZY FEELING FOR SANCHEZ AS IT WAS THE WRS FAULT OR THE OC FAULT OR THE GIRL SANCHEZ WAS DATINGS FAULT ECT ECT ECT

  118. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 31, 2012 | Reply

    One thing is for sure Mr. Tan will not be back. Now to get rid of Sparano and demote REX to DC and only DC where I feel REX is very good at Defense. We have the 9th Draft pick in 2013. I feel OT Tayl;or Lewan OT from Michigan and if by chance Luke Joeckel of Texas A & M happens to be available with the 9th pick the Jets should grab him But Taylor will do.. Now if Giovani Bernard RB from NC is available when we get to the second round we should grab him. OFFENSIVE lineman is where the Jets Should concentrate on as well as a good inside/outside running back who is not afraid to block….

  119. By Joe on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply

    Gary THEY DONT RING A BELL .I did research them and found out that one was a qb at NEBRASKA (SINCE MY PARTNER AND HIS BROTHER ARE IN HOF THERE AMOUNG THE GREATEST D LINEMAN IN NEB HISTORY- CAPTIONS ON THE 95 AND 97 NAT CHAMPION TEAMS IASSUME YOU KNOW THE GUY OR SOMETHING )SO WHAT .

  120. By Joe on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply

    GARY do the names Todd Rucci AL Golden, Mark Donofrio,Christian Peter ,Jason Peter ,Frank Ferrarra ,Larry Peccatillo Bobby Hurley RING A BELL .DONT RESEARCH THEM

  121. By Joe on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply

    PS i forgot to add the BURGS(TODD BURGER )Gary your a JET FAN that ring a bell DONT RESEARCH HIM .

  122. By Joe on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply

    Tom as usual YOU ARE 100% CORRECT .What guys like SPICER dont realize that its business(NFL )Many of my buddys that played in the league SELDOM EVEN WATCH THE SPORT NOW (they certainly dont EAT DRINK AND SLEEP IT ) Football was a job that they HAPPENED TO EXCELL AT AT ALL AGES .Now that there all 40 PLUS THAT OLD JOB TOOK ITS TOLL (none of them came out of it without physical problems )Most of them played at NEBRASKA OR PENN STATE and were given schol PREDICATED UPON THEIR PHYSICAL ABILITY ALONE (very few EXCEPT GOLDEN AND DONOFRIO were students of the game ) Tom Osborne gave my partner a full ride based on 8 hs games total his junior year )When your 6.3 300 lbs ,run a 4.9 forty and bench 500 lbs as a hs junior they find you

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