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Former GM (Bradway) Reflects on New Guy (Idzik)

Posted by Randy Lange on March 1, 2013 – 3:00 pm

We chatted up Terry Bradway on Thursday afternoon back in his office following his sitdown with Eric Allen on Jets Talk Live. And aside from the NFL Combine topics he hit on with EA in the interview, I wanted to get a few insights into Terry’s new boss, John Idzik.

Bradway’s a go-to guy on this subject. He’s been the Jets’ senior personnel executive since ’06 but from ’01-05 he was the Jets GM.

Needless to say, he wasn’t going to compare Idzik with Mike Tannenbaum, with whom he had a close relationship in the Jets’ front office for the previous dozen years. But John has brought his own past, procedures and personality with him from Seattle and Bradway has been impressed with the way the I-Era of Jets football has begun.

“Throughout his career he’s always been able to go out to a certain degree and cover players,” Bradway said, “and he’s been very involved in both free agency and the draft any place he’s been. He’s really is a good football guy.”

Idzik is also a people person, which obviously has come out early, from the team’s February personnel meetings through the combine. He’s formed opinions on many of the players who participated in the Indianapolis workouts, but he wasn’t going to dominate the discussions with the Jets scouts.

“John was very respectful of the scouts in terms of their presentations,” Bradway said. “He’s a great listener and I think he’s going to be able to generate great discussions and opinions as we come up with what we feel will be the final grades and evaluations on these players as we go into the draft.”

A small enhancement to the evaluations was an expansion of Bradway’s personal “+/N/–” combine grading system he’s used over the years. He puts a quick grade on each participant in each drill he watches each year — either a plus, “looked good,” an N, “looked average,” or a minus, “didn’t look good.”

This year he was joined in his grading by Idzik and new director of college scouting Jeff Bauer.

“This was the first time we’ve done it as a group,” he said. “It’s subjective, but it’s the eyeball test. It’s not the numbers — ‘Oh, he vertical-jumped 39′ — but it’s here’s how the guy moved, here’s how he did his position drills.”

If you haven’t seen EA’s interview with Bradway yet, the first half of the session was archived on NewYorkJets.com last night, and the second half should be available on the site this afternoon.

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206 Responses to “Former GM (Bradway) Reflects on New Guy (Idzik)”

  1. By SQUIRREL on Mar 1, 2013 | Reply

    arizona just cut gay. whats their salary cap situation like. potential trade for revis. Revis and Peterson at corner is very enticing. Get to work Front Office.

  2. By IRA on Mar 1, 2013 | Reply

    I am starting to get a gut feeling that Idzik is going to be a very good GM. And I am glad he has Bradway and his staff to work with. Heard Casserly say the Jets have an excellent personnel staff and I have always felt that way. I just think certain things have got in their way and if Idzik uses the reports and boards they give him we will have a great this year for sure.
    I have no problem with them signing Garrard I actually think its not bad. While I have been pushing for Moore I think his price will be too high for the Jets and really the rest of the free agents are all the same. I think if Garrard is healthy he actually can push Sanchez. Would love to see them sign Big Abe but I can’t see him coming to the Jets.

  3. By SCfromNy on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    With so many quality teams struggling to get under the cap I feel it will be a slow year for signings. Take a look at the position Maimi is in this year. I am not saying we should tank this year but if we do not sign other teams rejects and do create depth while addressing some needs this draft we will be poised for a successful 2014. In 2014 we can dump Sanchez and Holmes, be way under the cap, have a high draft choice and find our franchise QB. Many teams are set at QB so the Jets could land a top prospect.

    With all the money and cap issues around the NFL I hope Revis accepts a FAIR contract and remains in NY.

  4. By Ronbo on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    As the I-man was hired so late there was obviously no time to assemble his own front office staff in time to prepare for this years draft.Basically, he will be forced to use Tanny’s crew for this draft. it will be interesting to see how many of them he retains at the drafts conclusion? If he does clean house does that in any way vindicate Tanney as a talent evaluator? On the other hand,if he retains most or all of them can we assume they are very good at their jobs but were sabotoged by Tanny’s inability to put it together? There is a lot of talk the the proposed interest by the 9ers for Revis is real. As they have the #31 pic at the end of Rd.1 plust the #34 pick near the top of Rd.2, plus a reported 13 this could be our best option?

  5. By MIKE on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    Not a big fan of college DE’s switching to OLB in the NFL. I would feel a lot more comfortable for the Jets to take a Jarvis Jones or Barkarious Mingo. Both played OLB in college. This way if the stud pass rusher in them never comes out at least they can cover TE’s and RB’s in space.

    Really hope the Revis trade happens before this years draft. This draft would dwarf all other drafts in past years. Very similar to the year the Jets picked Ellis,Abraham and Pennington all in the first round. And to a lesser extent when they drafted Mangold and Brick as well.

  6. By TONY GARCIA on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    JET FAN since 1969.
    JETS will be in semi-rebuild mode patience will be required 7-9 will be a good season.

  7. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Them Changes on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    Glad to see everyone accepting that this is actually just Rebuilding Year 1, per Ronbo’s pt about Idzik working with Mr T’s people this yr. Next yr will be a lot different, especially with no Rex, Sanchez, Holmes, or Revis. I’m with you on Garrard, Ira, he’d be fine as a stopgap 1-yr QB along with McElroy and maybe someone we draft in the later rounds before going for a QB in the higher rounds next yr. Notice that I don’t mention Sanchez who’s, as we used to say in District 26 (Little Neck-Douglaston-Bayside-Whitestone) of New York and elsewhere, “no factor.”

  8. By IRA on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, I would think that Idzik has his own guys from around the league he’s comfortable with but my guess is there will be some personnel changes but i would hope that most of the group stays on.
    Listening to a lot of fans about Garrard and Quinn and they just don’t get it. First of all they have money invested in Sanchez and unless something strange happens they will give it one more chance. Second they can only allocate so much money into the QB spot and its almost 13 mill towards this year cap already. So to think they will spend a lot is foolish plus really who is out there. Is Moore the best option? Yes i think so but his price is going to be too high for the Jets and probably get more than he is worth because no one is around.

  9. By IRA on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    Too bad they changed gears on Stanton last year because he would be the perfect fit. No way he would want to come back unless they gave him a can’t refuse deal. I think his pride would not allow it anyway. Lets have a great draft and develop some young players to get back on track.
    GO JETS!!!!

  10. By scjoe on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    QB wise, the NY Jets are in a very, very, tough position. You know that when you talk about bringing in a guy like David Garrard. What can they possibly expect from this man? If he beats out Sanchez, which should not be to difficult, exactly what have you gained? Do you tell the rest of the club, “hey guys, it don’t really matter, we are only “rebuilding” this year anyway.” That is a defeatist attitude that I just can’t live by. NO! If you truly are taking the “rebuilding” approach, do the extra homework on this years crop of QBs, select one early (round 2 or 3) and start him immediately. THAT, is more in line with rebuilding then bringing in a 38 year old, oft injured, burnt out reject. Haven’t been this upset since the infamous “Sanchez extension”

  11. By scjoe on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    Ira, you are exactly right about the money part of the equation re: a QB. That is a major reason, not saying it is a good enough reason, but my vote don’t count. That said, even Stanton would be a better option then Garrard, the price tag should be similar, and the fact that Idzik did not play a part in last years debacle with Stanton may help get it done. To me, bringing in Garrard, with his age and his health issues constitutes “throwing in the towel” and there is nothing worse for a fan then throwing in the towel, not from this fans point of view anyway.

  12. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Them Changes on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    It’s jus a 1-yr QB fix anyway, Ira, unless we decide that Smith, Manuel, or one of these other guys is really worth it, so nothing lost by way of Stanton. Heck, we could cut every QB we have on the roster now, draft anybody in the first few rounds, and probably score as many pts with him or even her as we’re going to next yr. with the QBs and roster we got now.

  13. By Ronbo on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    IRA, Yeah,I think your on the money with the cap situation. Unless something bizaar happans like a rival g.m suddenly falling in love with M.Sanchez(yeah right)I think he will be on the team. David Garrard was actually holding off Tannyhill last year(Hard Knocks)untill he was injured.Not saying it would have stayed that way but he looked pretty good.I would prefer Moore too but the money will be an issue.Is Stanton a F/A?Not a bad idea Ira?

  14. By Ronbo on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    MIKE,I hear you on the posisition change issue.As Jet fans we have been burned there before.(Gholston)But things are a little different now as a lot of these guys have played multiple posisitions in college like D. Jordan from Oregon who actually played 2 years at T.E,1 yr at Olb-D.E.So I think it comes down to how athletic the kid is.But you are right,there are as many who cant make the switch as those that can.The trick is to choose the right one?

  15. By Tom Spicer on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    I am not sure why everyone is so down on David Garrard he is not the long term QB. He was let go of by he Jags cause he was making a ton of money & they drafted Gabbert in the 1st round. Actually last year for Miami all reports had Garrad as the starter for Miami he beat out Matt Moore & Ryan Tanehill. He had a knee injury that required surgey so they cut him. They brought hi in for a workout big deal.

  16. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Them Changes on Mar 2, 2013 | Reply

    A good quote from a Myers article that I otherwise disagree with. (The team that gets the superstar wins, Gary, because they’re closer to winning already than the team that trades the superstar.): “Now the Jets are actively shopping Revis rather than deal with his contract demands. One NFL source said the Jets made a big mistake when they signed Revis in 2010 to just a four-year contract after his summer-long holdout. “They gave him all that money and didn’t tie him up,” he said. “They didn’t get the deal done. They gave him the money to appease him. Are you nuts?” No, but Mr T’s middle name with contracts was appeasement. Some think it was Rex’s influence. Either way, often too much was paid for too little, i.e. Sanchez. Cro, Pouha, etc.

  17. By MaxJet on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    The Jets are on a rebuilding stage. They will need to fill the bare cupboard of talent through the draft. They also need to trade Revis in order to get good high quality picks in the draft(s) for him since Jets can’t afford quarterback money for a CB. The troubling point with Revis is that he never mentions his wish of winning a SB with the Jets or with anyone else for that matter. It seems he is just looking to get paid period. At least Dion Sanders made it clear that his ultimate motivation was to get the SB jewlery which he did with both the 49ers and Cowboys. Maybe Revis just feels content with mediocrity.

  18. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Them Changes on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    Lupica has written a very outspoken article saying what I’ve said for at least 2 yrs, and what I hear other Jet fans say: “The Jets have become a bad ticket,” as he puts it. I put it more strongly than that and say that the Jets are not only not fun to watch, they’re actually highly annoying to sit thru. Here’s an even more interesting observation from Lupica’s column, though, with which I also agree: “Maybe it is unlikely that John Idzik, the new Jets general manager, wants to draft a quarterback knowing that somebody other than Rex Ryan will be coaching the kid in a year.” Yup, one reason we might have to watch Garrard this yr is because I’m pretty sure Idzik, and maybe Woody, want the new HC to pick the new franchise QB.

  19. By Carl on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    Look we all know that Sancez isn’t Tom Brady! He is game manager, at best! He needs a mentor! First 2years who was his back up, Mark Brunel? He needs to be pushed . He needs to see field !he needs to read defenses! He’s not doin it makin poor decisions! Mark needs help ! Ya paid him too much money and strapped team! As a G.M. What are going to do ? Give him the coaching he needs and talent around him to make home take the next step! Marty hire Chad Pennington, to help! Give him a run game and receivers that will fight for the ball.Some speed at wide receiver!Go faster Jets!

  20. By Charliejet on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    So Brady took a “pay cut” to get more players for the Pats someone like ummmmm,
    DARRELLE REVIS – I wouldn’t put it past the Pats and the jets just might blow it.

  21. By Charliejet on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    Idzik is apparently sticking to his game plan. I am not certain of the exact number
    but when Idzik was at Seattle something like 300 or 500? Players went through those doors untill they got the team they wanted (same as Redskins did) and look at where those teams are today. This is just the start folks we will see more players come and go (a good thing) and if we can find 1 or 2 diamonds in the rough and some consistent players during yet what seems another “transition year”. Idzik’s philosophy is the opposite of Tannenbust “quality over quantity”
    is a breath of fresh air. Can’t wait!

  22. By Karan on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    I really hope the Jets re-sign Matt Slauson. I don’t understand why he’s not so popular with the team or fanbase. The guy is a solid player. He’s not at the level of Mangold obviously, but with time, he can be a pretty special player. So far, he’s been good for us, and it would be dissapointing if he is not re-signed. I can almost say with certainty if he is not re-signed here, somehow someway he will end up with the Dallas Cowboys, hope not.

  23. By Karan on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    I think the top three guys the Jets simply NEED to re-sign from their own free agent class is:
    LaRon Landry – Braylon Edwards – Matt Slauson
    -(I know Slausons a bit high up in my list and it is arguable but this team simply needs pass protection.) [Edwards and Landry are very essential to this team in my opinion].

    Other free-agents that I also think should be re-signed:
    Mike DeVito – Austin Howard – Dustin Keller – Yeremiah Bell
    (Keller, I simply like because he’s a receiver and can be a really good tight end when used properly, however if he is traded for another solid tight end, I wouldn’t be against the decision.)

    Free agents I wouldn’t mind having back for the right price:
    Nick Folk, Tanner Purdam, Isaiah Trufant

  24. By Fran'scan on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    While we need to fill alot of holes, I am up for trading down if possible and getting Eddie Lacy in the mid first round. Agree that Holmes, Sanchez, Keller. Greene and Revis will all be gone by next year and good riddance. Hopefully we get some good value for Revis even if its only 75 cents on the dollar with injury. With an anemic offense someone like Revis has much less value here as teams will “run” out the clock against us. A team that puts up 30 + per game forces their opponents to throw to catch up [GB, NO. DEN] and there is where Revis thrives. Lets build our O not just the D. and Rex, get a clock management expert on the sidelines, we need it.

  25. By MIKE on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    This Revis situation is brutal. This team is such a mess all because of horrible financial decisions by the NYJ hierarchy. Whether it was Tanny or Woody this team is in shambles. I don’t even see how they could possibly resign him now. His huge contract demands, Jets cap situation, a major lack of depth at multiple positions throughout the team, and the uncertainty of health are all huge factors on why they should just cut there losses and trade him. Idzik seems like a smart and calculated man and moving Revis is the smart move.

  26. By GaryC on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    Seeing that Tim McDonald is on our coaching staff,hope that nepotism doesn’t rear its ugly head and we draft his son T.J.who is not nearly as good as some of the other safeties in this draft,mentioned this guy to JetFanTom last year,a very hot and cold player and we don’t need any swaying from his dad.

  27. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    Even though Our needs are many, I feel QB is our main priority, Garrard I’m not feeling it, Wasn’t he in Seattle. Hmm.. some are saying take a QB in later rounds, problem with that scenario, Jets are notorious for never,I mean never, giving a QB taken later than the second round a chance to show he may just be a Tom Brady in the rough, so in my opinion QB will be a wasted pick after 2th round unless our way of thinking has changed dramatically. That said I do hope EJ- Manuel drops into our laps …Michael Turner has been released maybe he’s worth a look. Plus I would like to see Edwards stay

  28. By IRA on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    Yes Stanton is a free agent. Mingo i think could be another Maybin. Not sold on any of the 1st rd projections as pass rushers right now.
    Dito on Slauson he is a tough physical player who was jerked aound last year because they tried to justify the Ducasse pick. I wouldn’t mind seeing him back. Edwards too the price is right and he could be a good fit in MM’s WC offense. The big questions are going to be what they do with Keller and who they will draft or sign in free agency as a RB. Still think Woodhead could help this team and he is available.

  29. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Them Changes on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    MaxJet, that’s one of the reasons I called Revis a loser a few weeks ago — and received no scolding from anyone on this site. I’ve seen this kind of player many times, it’s as if he’d rather be great on a lousy team for a lot of money than risk the challenges of victory. Don’t need any guys like that.

  30. By @MattsJets on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    I hope Rex stays the coach at least for 2 more years he has a huge upside and truthfully the guys that were hired this year by other teams aren’t going to do a great job granted there’s been a decline with teams record, but if he’s has the right talent he can coach with the best of them. Idizk was the hire I wanted to see, he just seems more together than Tanny and that along is going to be a plus look for the Jets to make strides

  31. By scjoe on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    64, from a previous story, a lot of what we all say here is opinion. I get that. You have been one of the main advocates for “rebuilding” this year. I on the other hand am not a huge supporter of the term “rebuilding” not in today’s NFL, not with the tools that are available out there during any given off season,(draft, trade, FA, etc.) So, in any case, if this were to be a “rebuilding” year wouldn’t you want the main cog, the QB, to be a part of that building year? It worked out pretty well for Cincy, Indy, Washington, Seattle, and even Miami. They didn’t “rebuild” they added pieces (A QB!) and competed instantly! With the exception of Miami (who is coming) they went above and beyond competing. Why not the NYJ?

  32. By MIKE on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    Can’t help but laugh at the Idzik’s mannerisms and Rex’s. This might be the most awkward GM and HC pairing in the history of the NFL.

    Please football gods, allow the Jets to find some talented players in the early, mid and later rounds so the healing process doesn’t take as long.

  33. By IRA on Mar 3, 2013 | Reply

    While Bradway has said that there will be safties available rds 2-4 i think is a good thing. Bradway had success drafting Rhodes in rd 4 and E. Coleman in rd 5 who Mangini ran out. Coleman was an excellent player it stoo bad. Another safety Bradway drafted in 05 most fans wouldn’t remember was Andre Maddox who was having a ggod camp and was a big hitter until he blew out his knee. I don’t think he ever got his career back on track. He had a lot of potential and i believe he went on to the CFL.
    I hope they can figure out a way to keep DeVito.He is still in his prime and would be a much needed veteran to have around. Its going to be interesting to see how many of these Jets players will follow Pettine to Buffalo.

  34. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Seeing No Way to Go But Up on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    I understand that legally the Jets couldn’t have stopped Lauren Silberman from trying out at K the other day. And I don’t necessarily think it’s inconceivable that one day there’ll be a female NFL player, though obviously the much better route would be to start an all-woman NFL along the lines of the WNBA and with different rules re contact and other aspects of the game. But I must say that the spectacle of the Jets trying out anyone whose 2 kickoffs then go 19 and 13 yds might just qualify as the absolute lowest pt in Jet history, with the entire franchise coming off as a Veeck-like joke. And the Jets might’ve avoided such embarrassment by announcing no tryouts at K and P, the only really likely positions for a woman, would be held.

  35. By Randy Lange on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Tom, the Jets didn’t try out anybody on Sunday. This was the NFL’s New York/New Jersey Regional Combine that was conducted at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center over the weekend. Several media outlets got it wrong that Lauren Silberman was trying out for an NFL team. She along with a number of others participated for a chance to get an invitation to participate at the NFL Super Regional Combine at Cowboys Stadium on April 7-8.

  36. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Carl. Your not serious,. Sanchez is going on 5 years he’s still a turn over machine. his QB rating lowest in the league last year, plus averaging right at or slightly above bottom his 1st 4 no coach is that good, Far as in stalling better players around him, it won’t do a bit a good since he can’t keep from under/over throwing receivers, tossing Red zone INT’s, or fumbling the ball away, he makes opposing team players better, Tom 64 lets make a gentlemen s bet, Rex will be coaching Jets though 2015

  37. By scjoe on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    My thoughts on DeVito.. He is a rotation type player who will not command big money, it would be in the Jets best interest to make every effort to resign him and not make the same mistake they did with Jay Feeley over nickels and dimes. If they do they will probably end up with much, much less for just a few dollars less. Not a sound decision.

  38. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks for clarifying on Ms. Silberman, Randy, sounds like just another example of the press looking to MAKE the Jets look like a joke — which strikes me as a little unnecessary, considering all the joke-like moves we’ve made in the last few yrs. scjoe, it comes down to is there a 2nd or 3rd-round QB this yr as promising as Luck (er, probably not), Wilson (if there is, no one’s saying yet), or even Newton (GaryC holds veto power over that pick anyway). Our last GM’s idea of rebuilding was trading half our draft picks and picking up a high-priced vet or two. THAT’S certainly not rebuilding, short- OR long-term, so I’m more optimistic about what Idzik will do. But it won’t happen overnight working from the roster we have now.

  39. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    64tom-Revis showed his true colors (not green/white) when I said ‘I am the best player on this team” I’m sure it rubbed some players the wrong way. This guy cares about one thing and that’s money. He doesn’t care if he wins a championship he’s just in it to get paid. And his Greedy uncle Sean Gilbert. Revis is not worth 16mil. He doesn’t return punts or kickoffs. NYJ should just make the trade, Revis for Dashon G. and a draft pick and get this mess over with. That way they get the corner they need and we get the safety we need. Everyone is happy.

  40. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    For those who think I’m crazy about Cimini or even like him all that much, his piece today is an example why of I don’t, I mostly use him just to quote facts related to Jet issues. Today he whines about Woody not facing the fans tomorrow to talk about Revis and implies in the last line of his piece that Woody doesn’t care sufficiently about re-signing him. Well, I’m happy to report that the first 3 posts on that piece all say that Jet fans would rather have a winning team than pay one greedy, selfish, self-absorbed player too much money to enable the team to afford to deal with all its other glaring needs. This, my friends, is progress! I’ll reprint a Woody quote that Cimini reproduced that supports that view.

  41. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Here’s what Cimini wrote: “We’d like him to be a Jet, but I guess it takes two to tango,” Johnson said. “I’m happy we have him for four years, which is about the average length of a NFL player’s life in the NFL. That’s a long time to be together. That will be a total of seven years with Revis. What could be better?” Why not another seven? That’s the question he should be answering now.” No, the question YOU should be answering, Cementhead, is what good an overpaid CB is gonna do us for the next 7 yrs if we can’t throw or run the ball, develop an elite QB and protect him, rush the passer, stop RBs and TEs on routes over the middle, and even stop WRs on a consistent basis. Compared to all that, Revis is a minor concern, just one player…

  42. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Karan, I like slauson. He’s the mauler every team should have. He doesn’t look pretty but this guy will punch you right in your mouth. And he’s tough as nails. You need guys like Devito and Bell these guys are the blue collar guys the ones who do all the dirty work and come to play. Keller is not the TE we need right now..Just look at highlights on the kid from stamford / Ertz..That’s what we need. Edwards I would keep because we don’t have anything better.
    Carl, I posted this question here before and NO ONE could give me even 3. List me 5 things that make Sanchez a good NFL Qb or Intangibles..

  43. By Ronbo on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    SPICER, We are in agreement on Garrard.I watched him on “Hard Knocks’ last year and he looked pretty good to me.As I recall he was still ahead on the 3 way comp when he got hurt so who knows how that would have all worked out.From where I sit I could see them keeping him,Tannyhill & the kid from Delaware who was also a rookie.(who they really like!)If that had happaned, mabey matt Moore would have wound up with us?(nah,Tanny’s not that smart. Ira, I wonder what it would take to re-aquire Stanton from a financial stanpoint? Do you think he would be more or less than Moore?

  44. By Ronbo on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    S.C..Joe, I really enjoyed your post above as it presents an interesting question.The only Q.B. I could see us takeing in rds 1 or 2 would be Gino Smith. I would take E.J.Manuel,T.Wilson,or Mike Glennon in rd.3 as well. I get where you are going with your comments and somewhat agree. I just look at the Q.B’s coming out next year and to me the difference is night & day. The reason I prefer Smith is inspite of his late season difficulties he appears to have everything it takes to make it in todays NFL. Size,armstrength,mobility,plus a heck of a lot of success. He had a game last year with 8 t.d’s and over 600 yds. Thats like a month for Sanchez.If we make a Revis trade and get multiple picks I could see moving up the other Q.B’s to rd.2

  45. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    MJV, I don’t like to bet because I don’t like the rivalry it creates between friends, I don’t need to “beat” you on the question of how long Rex is the Jets HC. I’ll just say that if Rex is gone next yr we’re really making changes and if he’s not we’re not. Agree about Revis and money, Allan, and also about Slauson, some Jet fans seem to forget that Slauson is pretty much the only lower-round draft pick in the last 3 or 4 yrs that this team has developed into much of anything, unless you count McKnight. Also agree with you about Keller not worth what he’ll want and Edwards worth keeping around because at this pt he won’t want much. That’s the kind of realistic thinking we’ll need to get this team SERIOUSLY competitive, scjoe, in 2 or 3 yrs.

  46. By Tom Spcer on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    “NFL Draft insider Tony Pauline passes along “word” from the final few days of the Combine that free agent SS LaRon Landry is unlikely to receive the contract he’s currently seeking.Landry is reportedly seeking roughly $6 million per year, but people inside the league believe he may wind up settling for $3-4 million annually. NFL teams aren’t quite flush with cap space this offseason.” Landry made $3.5 MIL for us last year if Tony Pauline is right we can sign him anywhere from a $500,000 pay cut to a $500,000 raise to me it is a no brainer to resign this guy if we can get him for that price.

  47. By Tom Spcer on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    “The New York Post expects the Jets to re-sign free agent Braylon Edwards. Edwards was signed prior to Week 15 last year after being released by the Seahawks, and he proved to be the team’s best receiver. Edwards should also come cheaply.” Now this is a smart move that the Jets should have done last year. He is still under 30, he actually wants to be a Jet, proved last year he can still play & can be had for the 1 year vetearan minimum. Honestly if he proves he has lost it or does something bad off the field you cut him. You are paying him the minimum I see little to no downside from singing this guy.

  48. By Tom Spcer on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    “The Jets are trying to decide whether to give restricted free agent RT Austin Howard the first- or second-round tender. The first-rounder has a $2.86 million price tag, and the second-rounder is at $2.02 million. New York is reportedly “high” on Howard, but they’re short on cap space and every penny counts. ESPN New York mentions the Ravens as a possible suitor if Howard gets the second-round tender. Baltimore holds the No. 62 overall pick.” This is a tuff choice for the Jets is it worth losing him for a pick around 60. I think they need to put a 1st round tender on him this way if we lose him we get the 32nd pick or better. I dont want to go into the draft needing 2 guards & a right tackle. What are you guys thoughts on this?

  49. By GaryC on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Nice to know people are on the Ertz bandwagon now,hope there is enough room,here is another guy who will do quite well in the NFL,and should make Eric very happy,that is Elam from Florida,this guy is the closest to looking like another Polamalu,5’10 and a legitimate hitter out of the secondary spot,if Landry goes Elam could be a very good pick.

  50. By Tom Spcer on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    My thoughts on Devito are as follows. I want to start by saying I like Devito so I am not taking a shot at him as a player or a person but these are my thoughts.Wilkerson & Coples are the future of this team at the DE spots both of them need to play all game every game. We can not have Coples coming off of the bench like he did last year. Now if we move to a 4-3 like I want the Jets to you cut Pouha save the $1,500,000 off of the cap. Resign Devtio & have Devito & Ellis start as your 4-3 DT’S I would be great with that. But if we stay with a 3-4 I dont think we should sign him he is to small to play NT & we cant spend that kind of money on a backup DE.

  51. By Tom Spicer on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    I want the Jets to move to a 4-3 D for a number of reasons these are just a few of them. It fits our personell better. You cut Pouha save $1,500,000 off of the cap. Pouha is 34 years old with a bad back & we can take that money & it will help us sign our free agents. Teh starting front 7 would be as follows. Devito & Ellis as the DT’S 2 young cheap guys who are solid. DE’S Wilkerson & Coples I think going to a 4-3 will let these 2 guys reach there full potential. We no longer will have this big linebacker problem start Harris at MLB & the OLBS will be Davis & McNtyre. The pass rush will come from Coples & Wilkerson. That is your D & the emtire draft you just focus on O!

  52. By Tom Spicer on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    I am also in agreement with SCJoe this team does not need to rebuild. If it is done right & Idzik hits on a few draft picks we can make the playoffs next year. Lets say we dont trade Revis & dont move to a 4-3 (even thou I want to do both of these things). Resign Landry & Bell then draft Jarvis Jones with the 9th pick. The starting D would be as follows. Safetys Landry & Bell, Corners Revis & Cromartie (to me the best secondary in the NFL) Linebackers Harris & Davis in the middle with McNitire & Jarvis Jones on the outside. Line NT Pouha, DE’S Wilkerson & Coples. Now we were the 8th ranked D & the 3rd pass D last year add Revis & Jarvis Jones I think this is a top 5 D overall & the top pass D in the NFL.

  53. By Tom Spicer on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    On O for arguments sake lets say we have the same O line. We are getting Holmes back, you sign Braylon for the 1 year veterans minimum, you have Kerley as your 3, Hill as your 4 & lets say we resign Keller you are fine on the O line & the pass catcher spots. Slauson & Braylon can be had for a small amount of money the only real commitmenst are Keller & Moore but for Moore at his age it would be a short term deal. In the 2nd round we take a QB & in the 3rd round we take a RB. If Idzik hits on the QB or the RB the team I posted above is competing for a playoff spot. If Idzik hits on the QB & the RB we are competing for a championship NEXT YEAR!

  54. By GaryC on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    JetFanTom,Nyet Nyet,to Newton as of now,I am still holding my breath for his first playoff win,I am a sky blue color now,if I turn to Navy Blue I know I will win this argument also,by the way,Newton will have another offensive coordinator this year too,Let’s see his superman mystique overcome this.

  55. By GaryC on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Don’t make Devito out as anything more than what he is, as Strasburg said to Pacino in Godfather 2, he is small potatoes.

  56. By Tom Spicer on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    The way I would like the draft to go is as follows. 1st round Jarvis Jones if he is gone Dion Jordan if he is gone Ziggy Ansah. 2nd round Mike Glennon if he is gone Matt Barkley or Ginovani Bernard. 3rd round if we take a QB in the 2nd round I want Stepfan Taylor or Joseph Randle if we take a RB in the 2nd round I would like Manuel, Wilson, Nassib or Bray in the 3rd.

  57. By scjoe on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    64, you may be right. Maybe there are no Lucks or Wilson’s in this years class (on paper) but one thing we can both agree on, there are no guarantees looking in to the future, there are looking back at the past though. I see a QB battle with Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, 37 year old oft injured David Garrard, and maybe 1 or 2 of the other usual suspects. So, I ask, why not that best available 2nd or 3rd round QB THIS YEAR? Could it possibly get any worse? Is there a guarantee that you will come out of the 2014 class with your Wilson or Luck? I don’t think so. Plus you lost still another year with sub standard QBs fighting it out. We have both been around a long time my friend, desperation time is nearing.

  58. By SCfromNY on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer . . . busy day posting. I do like your thoughts about defense however you lost me on “We can compete for a Championship” We do have a good D but let’s not be fooled by stats. We were nowhere near the top in points allowed which is how you win games. Our pass D was rated so high because other teams were having fun running on us and did not need to pass. Having the “85 Bear D will not help if we do not get production from the O. Constant “3 & outs” will tax any D. e can not expect to wim many games in todays NFL scoring 10-17 points, and hoping for that is silly and “Rex like”. I hope our O is better however at this point our QB, TE, and RB situation is not resolved. I think it will take 2 years. I want to keep Revis.

  59. By Ronbo on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    IRA&kARAN, Interesting you guys brought up Slauson today as Bleacher Report had a O.G rankings based on Pro Football Weekly & they had Slauson ranked at #40 of the top 70.Give or take a spot here or there that ranks him middle of the pack.I’m guessing he will be a tight squeeze as we are currently only 8 mill under but need at least 5 mill for the rooks, plus a few a f/a’s.The I-man’s gonna need to do some creative restructuring to keep Slauson,Devito& 1 of the 2 f/a saftys.

  60. By Ronbo on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    SPICER,I love your enthusiactic optimism but we are currently about 8 mill under the cap.And we need to keep 5 million for our draft picks.So that leaves us 3 million.So if we sign Braylon for 1-mil,Landry for 3.5,B.Moore for 3mil,Slauson for 2.5mil,Bell for 1.5mil,Keller wants 5 mill those guys alone are about 16 million which puts us 13 million over? Do you think Idzik will be able to talk guys like Mark S,S.Holmes & D.Harris into takeing those big hits? I dont!Also,if we trade Revis his cap# goes from 9mill to 12 million.

  61. By Ronbo on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.fron N.Y, great post above. Gotta love Spicer’s attitude but I agree this will not be anywhere near a playoff team this year.First of all, his speculating is based on two big if’s?(1) If the guys he mentioned would be willing to sign as cheaply as he is hopeing? (2)That Idzik can get D.Harris(about 13mill),S.Holmes(about 10mill), M.Sanchez(about 8 mil.),Mangold(about 10 Mill.)Brick(about 12 mill.)to all restructure their contracts?And even if they do, what does that do down the road to the cap? I’m not smart enough to figure this all out but those 5 guys alone are on the books for about 53 million.So if they agree to give back half (say 26 mil.) (I know,why would they?)We would still be way over the cap if we sighned the guys he wants?

  62. By scjoe on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, maybe watching Mark Sanchez for 4 years has impaired my judgment somewhat. But I am of the opinion that 2, maybe 3 of the current class of QBs coming out can more then duplicate what Mark Sanchez has done. The key will be making the right selection, or at least one of the top 3 selections. If that is the case, and if he starts from day 1, and if there are a couple of more hits in the draft process, including that 1 st round pass rusher, this team will compete. “Compete” not dominate, but compete. That in itself is major improvement from 2012

  63. By scjoe on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Again, re: Mike DeVito. I want to make my position clear. DeVito is a very good roll player! He is very good in a rotation, he is not a “special” player in any sense of the word, but he is the type player that has to be replaced. The question is, do you save a few dollars and replace him with some unknown, or do you take the “you know what you have, but you don’t know what you may get” approach. The latter makes more sense. One way or another, this issue will not make or break the 2013 season.

  64. By Byrdman on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Lets take a moment to “Reflect” a bit on former GM Terry Bradway.
    2001- He took Santana Moss at #16 and Moss went on to have an OK career for the Redskins.
    2002 – Bryan Thomas at #22 fine after him, Nothing
    2003 – Dewayne (the pain) Robertson
    2004 – Jonathan Vilma – didn’t fit our system went on to fame and Bounty Gate fortune.
    2005 – You could make the case this was Bradway’s best draft – traded our first round pick for HOF TE Doug Jolley ( Correction that’s IHOP cook Doug Jolley)
    BUT… then he stocked the roster with talent like kicker Mike Nugent and CB Justin Miller who played here for about 2 weeks. He found (always injured) DT Pouha in the 3rd round to replace (chronically disabled) DT Robertson.
    continued >>>

  65. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, the upside of picking a QB this yr in a later round may not outweigh the downside of subjecting him to Rex in his 1st yr. Spicer, out of your many great comments today, the ones I like best are about going to a 4-3. GaryC, I admit it’ll be a test for Newton to work with a new OC, more mentally than physically, but I’d still MUCH rather have him than Sanchez and those playoff games that “Mark won.” (Don’t make me laugh — unless you wanna show that you can’t evaluate QB play any better than Mr T did.) But my FAVORITE thing today is, of course, NO franchise tag for Keller!

  66. By IRA on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    M Moore I would think will get a 2 year deal for about 3 mill per. Stanton I say about 1.5 mill per half the price. Moore to me can be a starter but Stanton is a good backup at best and can carry you for a few games at best.
    Landry will get a 6 mill per year deal the only thing that might keep it a little lower is even though he did not miss a game last year with his injury history what are the chances he will do that again?
    Mistake if they let Slauson go hope they can keep him. Keller can be had for 3-4 per and they should keep him. No reason why they can’t resign Keller, Slauson, DeVito, Bell and Edwards. I am sure we will here a few players have restructured before free agency starts.
    Is Matt Elam Abe’s brother?

  67. By Randy Lange on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Yes, Ira, Matt Elam is Abram Elam’s kid brother. This is what Abe said about Matt last year: “I’ve played with and against some of the most talented players in the league and growing up, and I can say Matt is one of only two people I know besides Anquan Boldin that hates to lose as much as he does. He does everything in his power to win. He is very competitive. A lot of people don’t know that about him. He hates to lose more than anything.”

  68. By scjoe on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer, agree with a lot of what you posted. Going to a 4-3, selecting a Jarvis Jones in the 1st rd, Coples and Wilk at DE, Ellis and Harrison at DT, Jones, Davis and Harris at LB would be a nice front 7. The secondary could be a concern depending on Revis. But what I also like about this plan is that you devote the rest of the draft (except maybe a safety) to offense. And yes, if you hit on that QB and the OLB, you will see immediate progress. No doubt!

  69. By IRA on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    as per a report they might give a 2nd rd tender to Cumberland which would pay him about 2 mill for the year. If they do it probably means they will not pay Keller more than the 3-4 that I thought. If he were to sign for that amount that means they get to keep both players who I think they should keep for a total of 6 or so which would be great considering the franchise tag was a little over 6 for a TE. If they were to lose Keller then they will draft a TE and in addition to that if the price is right I would try to sign Hartstock who is a great blocking TE and a player who was a big part of their running game while he was on the Jets.
    Besides Garrard I still expect them to sign another veteran maybe Quinn or I would not rule out a trade yet.

  70. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    This is obscene: “For me, looking at their roster and their team, I would just be an addition to help them win that trophy,” Revis told Seahawks fullback Michael Robinson, who hosts “The Real Rob” show on the Internet. “Would it be awesome? I mean, yeah, my main goal as a player … is to hold that Lombardi Trophy in the air and get that ring. They’re definitely a contender and will be a contender for the next couple of years.” All Revis talks about around here is money but ask him about playing in SF and boom, he’s all about the Super Bowl. Get this loser out of my sight!

  71. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    And this proves that either his greed isn’t curable or he has a severe learning disability: “Revis also was asked to comment on reports of a possible trade. “This definitely hits home, especially being one of the BEST PLAYERS OUT THERE [my caps added] and come to find out you’re being shopped,” said Revis, who was interviewed at the Fischer Sports training facility in Arizona. “Yeah, it really hits home, but my focus is, it doesn’t really matter where I’m at. I know what I can do. I’m confident in what I can do.” Hopefully Idzik’s remark today about Revis being ahead of schedule in his recovery was code language for, “We’ll deal this guy after March 12 in a New York minute.”

  72. By Tom Spicer on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    The Jets are considering tendering restricted free agent TE Jeff Cumberland at the second-round level. The second-round tender carries a $2.023 million price tag, and would likely effectively rule out a Dustin Keller re-signing

  73. By Tom Spicer on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Former GM Mike Tannenbaum said on NFL Network that the Jets’ defense couldn’t cover TE Hayden Smith in practices last season.Former Australian rugby star Smith spent most of 2012 on the Jets’ practice squad. He could be a player to monitor in 2013 training camp, Smith’s second year of organized football. “We could not cover this guy in practice,” Tannenbaum said. “It would drive Rex (Ryan) up a wall. We could not cover this guy. He got better and better, wound up dressing for five games, and actually caught a pass against the Chargers.” The Jets have a hole at tight end with Dustin Keller almost certain to leave in free agency.

  74. By Tom Spicer on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    “Darrelle Revis stated Monday that it would be “awesome” to play for the 49ers.The 49ers are loaded with draft picks and in better position than any NFL team to make a run at Revis. “I would just be an addition to help them win that trophy,” Revis said. “Would it be awesome? Yeah.” The comments hint Revis would be open to a one-year rental in San Francisco. Added Revis, “My main goal as a player — and I think all of us as players in the NFL — is to hold that Lombardi Trophy up in the air and wear that ring.”

  75. By Tom Spicer on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    I was okay if we kept Revis but in the back of my mind I thoguht it would be better for the team if we traded him & got multiple high draft picks to fill our needs. But his above comments really make me mad. First when the trade news came out he said he felt sorry for the Jet fans for having to go thru this. Meanwhile did he fell sorry for the Jet fans when he held out twice? Instead of just playing out his contract & keeping quite like Harris & Keller. Also from the above post his response should have been. I WANT TO BE A JET IF THE JETS DONT WANT ME I WOULD HAPPY TO BE A 49ER!

  76. By Tom Spicer on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    SCfromNY, While I agree with some of your above post I kind of give our D a pass on a few things. 1 We did not have Revis our best player 2 We had no pass rush & I feel if we get a guy like Jarvis Jones & if Coples & Wilkerson further develop that will no longer be a problem. 3 Pouha missed multiple games with a bad back & was ineffective in others because of his back. Kenrick Ellis also missed games I am not sure with either a ankle or knee injury. Anyway because of that we had to start Devito at NT in multiple games. Now I am not taking a shot at Devito but he just does not have the size to play NT. You cant run a 3-4 D or stop the run in that 3-4 D without a good NT & for a good portion of the season we did not have 1. 4 The O was so bad

  77. By Tom Spicer on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    that the D was CONSTANTLY on the field & they got wore down. If our O wasnt the kings of 3 & outs our D would have been better. I dont know those are just my thoughts.

  78. By GaryC on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    JetFanTom,you continue to ridicule Sanchez as opposed to Fig Newton,let’s see,Sanchez,selected number 5 in first round,Newton number 1,Newton,no playoff wins,Sanchez 4,We know Newton looks like Adonis out on the football field,but so did Leaf,George,Russell,Marinovich,and it goes on and on,You continue to bring up Newton’s measurables,yet it is not translating to wins,like other quarterbacks over the years,Stop comparing Newton to Sanchez,in your words that is setting a very low bar,let’s start comparing him to Brady,Brees,Rodgers if he really is that good.

  79. By GaryC on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    GET THOSE PICKS, a draft of Warmack,Ertz, Elam,Hunter and Arthur Brown would look pretty good in these eyes.

  80. By Karan on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Even though I haven’t been a big fan of Revis handling this situation with the Jets, I will agree with him on one thing in a recent interview with Michael Robinson, and I know many of you are opposed to the following statement and I know who you are but I happen to agree with him, he said “We want guys for Mark Sanchez to throw to, some deep threats. … Yes, Mark can get it done, but we need to put the right weapons around him for him to be successful. That’s always been a thing with Mark. That should be our focus with Mark Sanchez, put the right players around him.” That’s all he needs. Put the right players around him, meaning O-line, TEs, RBs and WRs. He is that type of player, Sanchez needs things around him to succeed, we all………

  81. By Karan on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    ……….saw it happen in 2010. Yes, he is just out horrible when he doesn’t have those things. Other than those things, Mark also needs to gain his confidence back, that’s the number one thing. He needs to work closely with Marty M. I wish Sanchez the best of luck this coming season and really hope he can come out of this bad funk he’s had in the last 2 seasons. If Marty M can fix him, then just awesome. Will he make turnovers? Of course he will, unfortunately, that’s what he does, but if he can regain his 2010 form and perform even better and win games when it counts the most even if he doesn’t have a good overall game, I’ll be fine with that. The guy is still only 26, however, even I think this is the last absolute chance he has……..

  82. By Karan on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    …….to prove that he needs to be the QB of this franchise. I think he deserves one more chance, with of course a very good roster around him. If he doesn’t deliver, then even I will say he needs to be a cut from the team. But yea, my main point, like Revis said, put some nice weapons around him, protect him from pressure and sacks and at the same time he needs to work on his game as well and be pushed.

  83. By Tom Spicer on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, In regards to your above post I would cut Tebow & Pouha. That would give us another $2,500,000. So we have around $5,500,000 after those draft picks. I have Landry at $3.5MIL, Bell at $1MIL & Braylon at $1MIL there goes our $5.5MIL. I do not want to restructure Sanchez or Holmes cause that would only keep them with us longer. But if we can 1 of these guys to restructer Mangold, Fergerson or Cromartie we can easily generate the $1MIL for Slauson. Moore & Keller are probably gone I would draft a guard in the 4th round or later to compete with Ducasse for the spot. As for Keller them above posts from Rotoworld seem to say the Jets are happy with Cumberland competeing with Hayden Smith for the starting TE spot.

  84. By Karan on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    As for Darelle Revis, I don’t think there’s a chance he comes back to this team. Things have gotten really out of hand, I blame Revis most of all because I do understand your the best player on the team, but seriously man, how much money are you going to demand?? Enough with the holdouts. I say trade him for Tracy Porter and maybe a pick before Porter becomes a free agent.

  85. By scjoe on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer, Tannenbaum’s comment about the Jets not being able to cover Hayden Smith in practice could be taken two ways, I think anyone who has been following the Jets LBs and safety’s in coverage over the past few years would take it “the other way” like I did. In short, I think they would have had trouble covering ME!

  86. By Byrdman on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    64Tom – is it safe to say you’re not interested in buying a NY Jet #24 Jersey ?
    I received one as a gift a while back but now considering donating it to the Salvation Army – or should I stuff it with hay and burn it in effigy? Do you think inviting others to bring their #24 gear to torch it “Joan of Arc” style is excessive?
    Not sure what to make of the “Tender Cumberland as a 1st rounder” reports? Really… Are we talking about the same guy that looked like he couldn’t get out of his own way? I refer to him as “Stumblebum” due to his habit of clumsily stumbling into other Jet receivers routes.
    There’s about 50 kids in this years draft that will be a huge upgrade at TE for this team.

  87. By scjoe on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Now this is a funny story, or a sad one depending on how you look at it. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens QB who recently signed a new deal for, what? 20 mil a year? Stated that he “feels respected” now! So, is he saying that a deal for “only” 15 mil a year would not make him “feel respected” C’mon man! Where does it all end?

  88. By Byrdman on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer – I applaud your optimism, reminds me of Jim Belushi’s “We’re puttin the BAND back together” line in the first Blues Brothers film. (laughing) or was it Aykroyd who said that ? I could go either way with the D alignment – you’re 4-3 sounds good until you factor in our lack of speed at LB (apart from Davis) Your asking the LB’s to cover more ground in that scheme. I’m more intrigued with the possibility of Star Lotulelei falling to us @9, he could be the “next” Kris Jenkins. Remeber KJ? played about a minute here
    Star’s 325 lbs now, athletic with a great motor and first step – I’d expect a young kid that that to fill out a bit, maybe play at 340-350 in the NFL. Everyone forgets how relentless our D line was with big Jenkins

  89. By Byrdman on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    In regards to Flacco’s contract Scjoe… Think about it like this, he’s finally getting Sanchez’ kind of money. I don’t think the Ravens win that SB if Joe turns the ball over, do you? It’s ironic that he just signed a contract that puts his team in a financial straight jacket, similar to what Marks has done in NY.
    Looking at his career numbers now, with a 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio (WOW) and career 60% completions it would have been a great move for the Jets to have selected him with the 1st round pick instead of Gholston – wouldn’t you say?
    Plus the fact that he was a local (Jersey) kid that has developed into an (dare I say it) Elite NFL QB, while the spoiled California kid we drafted has imploded.
    Yeah… consider me a Joe Flacco fan

  90. By Jersey Rich on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    I personally don’t see Sanchez as anything else but a back-up (at best)with the Jets. He will not only have to beat out the competition in camp, he will somehow need to win back the fans. I feel like anyone new at QB, will bring at least some fan excitement back. With Sanchez, I seem to always feel that he is going to screw something up, sooner or later. The Boo-Birds will destroy any confidence that he might have left. Hope the I-man can figure some way to get him out of here.

  91. By scjoe on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, right there with you on the Jets defense with Kris Jenkins. It was at it’s best because of the way he anchored the middle and tied up blockers. We don’t know how Ellis or Harrison will progress in that roll should the Jets stick with the 3-4, but here is another name to think about should they have doubts at that spot. John Jenkins (UGA) DT, all 6’4 358 lbs worth. Problem is, to early at #9 and probably gone by round 2. Maybe that Revis trade to SF could secure this guy early rd 2. I know there are those who will say A NT??? But lets remember, if you want to run a 3-4, you better have a good one.

  92. By Ronbo on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    BYRDMAN,Great stuff dude! I have no idea why smart guys like Ira & the Spiceman are so enamored with Keller & Stumblebumb? From what I’ve seen neither of them could block a firehydrent and neither one is ever going to a probowl unless they buy a ticket?S.C.Joe, you stole my thunder to Spicer regarding not being able to cover Hayden Smith? Granted Landry & Bell were big improvements over Leonard & Smith, but almost anyone would have been.There has been a lot of talk about 4-3 vs 3-4, but if anyone(other than me) has tape from last season we actually played a lot of both last year. I imagine we will do so again this year.The big challange will be to fix the run defence. Last year it was dreadful.

  93. By kleckofan on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Please, I’m begging, do not start to try to resurrect Sanchez. He’s here due to economics and economics alone. I still would prefer to bite the bullet and release him if he won’t restructure. Draft a later round project QB and give him a yr w a veteran like Gerrard, then make a QB move in 2014.
    Byrd- Jenks was the best and made our D great. I don’t see that on the tape i see of Lotulelei. Just not that impressed for all the press he’s getting. Also, I would not write off Vilma as inconsequential, I think he was a very good player here too.
    Pretty clear that Revis is now on the “must go” list. Shame.
    OK, the NFL Network has chosen to hire Tanny, but please don’t quote him on here, unless you’re willing to quote Matt Millen too!

  94. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, I compare Newton to Sanchez only because you’ve done it, which was far from your finest hour. Karan, I predicted star D players would revolt against Rex, his anemic O, and his terrible QB “Mark,” but that doesn’t have anything to do with Mevis’ greed, constant holdouts, and loser character. That’s funny, Byrdman, because I did think yesterday that burning Revis jerseys would be appropriate. scjoe, you’ll get no argument from me that McElroy or just about any QB drafted below #5 could do as well as Sanchez but Rex doesn’t seem to agree. Then again, any HC who’d put a tattoo on his body of one of his players and overhype the other to such absurd degrees is asking for trouble and that’s what Rex will get after we go 4-12 this yr.

  95. By MIKE on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    FA targets.

    RB Chris Ivory
    OLB Connor Barwin or Manny Lawson
    DL Mike Devito
    QB Matt Moore or David Garrard

  96. By IRA on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    If anybody thinks or believes H Smith is going to be their 2nd TE then we are in big trouble. True maybe he is learning how to play the game but if Cumberland or anybody else who is the One gets hurt can’t see Smith ready for that role. Plus in MM’s WC system he needs a very athletic pass catching TE and while Smith might be a good athlete from his basketball games I don’t think he is going to catch 60 passes for a season. Glad Cook might sign with the Bears so Keller possibly has to drop his price and stay with the Jets.
    Cumberland is a good player that can stretch the field and in the right system could give you 35 or 40 catches a year plus he is a big target in the redzone.

  97. By carl on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Wow! Time out !! Did u read my post? We’re stuck with Sancez! Dosen’t mean I love the guy? I’ve been bashin him for 2 years!! Just sayin give hime something to work with, maybe 8-8 this year at best? New system again!Stop the media circus!Go Faster Jets!!!!!!

  98. By Byrdman on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Klecko – I was sort of using Star as an example of a run stuffing BIG man in the middle. I looked at about a dozen mocks and most had Lotulelei going top 10 this year, about 6 had him gone before Jets pick.
    It blows my mind that the NFL network has Tanny on their panel of “experts”
    And, you could argue that Matt Millen was the single worst GM in sports history – he must have pictures of a network executive in bed with Justin Beiber ! ?
    Scjoe – yeah, that Jenkins kid is massive, wonder if he’s related to Kris?
    Many here think our D line is set right now with big MO and Coples but ,,Pouha’s chronic back problems aren’t going away and Ellis is a (?) Lets draft a BEAST at nose tackle teams gotta double while Mo/Co knock the QB out!

  99. By carl on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Yo Revis!Just Chill!! You are a Jet!!!Dont Beleive the Hype !!! Just come back strong !! Let Your play show whos top of the heap, and shut up all these WANABEESS!!!By the way, you got ur own island bro!!!Go Faster Jets!!!

  100. By carl on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Its Tebow Time !! Give him an equal playing field I bet you he wins the job!Go Faster Jets !!!!

  101. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Totally agree with this post on Cimini’s story on ESPN about Garrard: “Sanchez – 80 career touchdowns, 95 career turnovers, never has thrown for even 3,500 yards in a season and only once held a 55% completion %, which is just average. Career QBR of 34.25, average being 50. Basically any direction the team goes that doesn’t include Sanchez under center can’t hurt.” And I’ll elaborate on that, scjoe, by saying that if Garrard and McElroy outplayed Sanchez for the #1 and #2 spots in pre- and did most of the playing during the yr, with “Mark” inactive most wks, it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference. Then we’d at least know if Garrard was worth keeping as a backup and if McElroy was worth pitting vs. the QB we’ll draft high next yr.

  102. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Results to date from the poll that accompanies Lupica’s DAILY NEWS article advocating trading Revis:
    What should the Jets do with Darrelle Revis?
    Pay him! He’s the best player on the team
    Trade him, you can get a lot to build with
    Let him play out his contract, then decide
    Move him to QB, that’s what they really need!

  103. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Lupica wisely writes: “The nightmare for the Jets isn’t that they trade Revis somewhere and he ends up winning the Super Bowl for somebody else. No. The nightmare for the Jets is to maintain this kind of mediocrity.” Also, a piece by Mehta on the Revis situation contains this wonderful quote from a source: “He’s gone,” a source familiar with the situation said Tuesday. “This is happening. They’re moving him. They can’t keep him. They’re rebuilding. They’re starting fresh.” And since that gives Rex and Sanchez a snowball’s chance in New Jersey to show more than they have by ’13, we can look forward to the final crucial moves toward rebuilding to happen in ’14. I’d also like to see Holmes, Keller, Greene, and Pouha gone ASAP.

  104. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    How people who are not Jet fans of the deluded variety see our team and the Revis situation, specifically Chris Wesseling on the NFL site: “Looking at rosters across the NFL, I struggle to see any franchise more ill-equipped to contend than the Jets. They have no quarterback, a declining offensive line, a severe lack of offensive playmakers, a slow defense, no pass rush and major salary-cap woes. Satisfying Revis’ request to become the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history is tantamount to putting lipstick on a pig — or Tiffany earrings on Honey Boo Boo.” And, I might add, one of the worst HC’s in the league.

  105. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    I must say, I get a huge kick out or Mr T, in his new role as ESPN commentator, predicting we pick Patterson in Round 1. Sounds like a classic case of a criminal returning to the scene of the crime, i.e. Mr T hoping to justify the Hill pick by watching us pick another “raw” WR with exactly the same strengths and weaknesses. Not that I don’t think Hill could work out in a yr or 2, scjoe, but one project at WR is enough for now — especially when we have no viable QB to throw to him.

  106. By IRA on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Grimes who is about to hit free agency i had as a top 5 CB and it will be intersting to see what he gets considering he is coming off a torn achilles which he did in the opener. Not sure were his rehab is but it will how and when the Jets trade Revis. Teams are really going to have to trust team doctors and take a chance if they want to give either players big ong term deals.

  107. By Tom Spicer on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, I am not enamored with Cumberland honestly I dont even like him. As far as Keller I want him back cause the Jets need every weapon on O that they can possibly have & besides Holmes who do they have? No QB, no RB & dont know if they are bringing back Braylon or Keller. If we go into next year with Holmes, Kerley, Hill & Cumberland at the skill positions we are looking at 6 & 10 or worse. Thats why I want to sign Braylon & Keller. I also do not want to draft a TE with either of our 1st 2 picks. Do you get where I am coming from? I want 1st round pass rusher 3-4 OLB (unless we move to a 4-3 fulltime). 2nd round QB/RB & 3RD round QB/RB depending on what we do in the prior round.

  108. By GaryC on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    DON’T CRY FOR ME,ARGENTINA,looks like Revis is on his way,to Alcatraz Island in San Francisco bay,Jet’s played this smart,put him out there and see which fish bite,looking now like they will get a pretty good package.

  109. By Tom Spicer on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    In the paper today 3 teams made offers to the Jets for Revis that they are mulling over. Two of the teams are the Falcons & the 49ers.

  110. By Ronbo on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    BYRDMAN,I’ve seen a lot of tape on Star Lotulelei and agree he is a beast.From what I see he is more suited to D.E in a 3-4.Kind of like Mo Wilkerson.I think he’s only about 310 which is light for a space eating N/T Like Jenkens from Ga. They actually had two of those guys on last years team as there was this guy Geathers who is even bigger than Jenkins at 6-5 368.The problem with these behemoths is they cant stay on the field because of poor conditioning.

  111. By Tom Spicer on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Randy, I am not sure if you already posted this but could you provide us with a list of our free agents (restricted & unrestricted) so we can get a better understanding of who we are going to be able to sign & what our team will look like going into the draft.

  112. By Randy Lange on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Tom, we don’t have an official list of our unrestricted and restricted free agents from the team or from the NFL yet. As soon as we get that, which should be soon, we’ll post it.

  113. By Tom Spicer on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Randy, I know free agency starts in 6 days on March 12th but I read “the trading period starts that same day” is it true that NFL teams cant start making trades until Tuesday March 12th?

  114. By Randy Lange on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Tom, that is correct. The trading period begins at 4 p.m. ET on March 12, the same time that the 2013 NFL league year and free agency period begin.

  115. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer, why are you fretting about going 6-10 this coming yr? The only reason that would be a problem is that it would keep us from getting the higher draft picks in 2014 that we desperately need. I’m pulling for 2-14. GaryC, re Alcatraz for Revis, yeah, if we keep our #9 pick and get the #31 and #34 from SF for DR, we might be able to draft a solid QB, OL, and WR in those rounds and still pick a S, RB, and LB in the upper rounds. Or pick highly at all those positions, see how Garrard/Moore/Campbell vs McElroy goes this yr, but push the high QB pick into 2014. Any Jet fan who won’t get on board with all that is stark staring nuts.

  116. By Ronbo on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    SPICER, No sweat bro, the problem I see with Cumberlin & Keller is they were both originally W.R’s in college.As they were good sized guys not fast enough to play W.R they were converted to T.E. The thing is,neither of them is even a decent blocker which effects the running game. Then you throw in Hayden Smith the basketball -rugby player and what i see is a team that treats the T.E posisition like a joke?There are 5 or 6 T.E’s in this draft that are head & shoulders better than any of our current guys and I am all for picking one of them.The T.E posisition is probably the fastest emerging spot in a pass happy league.I freally believe we need to join that race.

  117. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, two of the positions that Rex understands the least and has thus has the least success at are TE and S, which is still another reason he’s a ridiculously poor excuse for a HC as those have been two of the most importantly emerging positions in the NFL for the entire time Rex has been with the Jets.

  118. By Frank on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer taking Revis comments personally? Come on man he has a right to say what he wants after finding out he is being shopped. It is IMPERATIVE we trade him not only to gather more picks to build the team but also to get his cap number off the books.
    I am also all for cutting/trade Holmes who is due obscene money and is a rotten apple.. His salary is 11 mil with 7.5 guarateed. If he doesn’t restructure cut him. Of the 7.5mil guaranteed when he signs somewhere else that money gets recaptured by the Jets its not a hard cap hit. I would rather keep Keller/Cumberland and resign Edwards and we have Kerley and Hill coming back. There are a few burners available in the 2nd and 3rd round if we draft one of them I am OK with that group of receivers

  119. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Cimini’s alleged “source” who says how uninterested SF is in Revis makes me laugh, First of all, you don’t bargain desperately in the media, you play hard to get. But more importantly, one of the classic Cimini patterns is to harp on things for months and then do an about-face either to try to look smarter than everybody else (the Jets should keep Mr T for another yr) or in order to do some CYA and admit you knew changes were coming all along (which is what Cimini will do when Revis is traded). I predict after the Revis trade, Cimini and others will report that teams that were interested included SF, GB, NO, ATL, TB, DET, KC, PHI, BUF, and of course NE and the Giants though those last two knew all along that we’d never trade him to them.

  120. By BillsJets on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Don’t trade Revis, If you want to rebuild and start from scratch then get rid of Sanchez and Cromartie, but keep Revis!!!

  121. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    History Lesson for Hysterical Jet Fans: Here’s a list of players that only 2 yrs ago or much less some said were absolutely indispensable: Thomas Jones. Leon Washington. Jerricho Cotchery. Kris Jenkins. Bart Scott. Jim Leonhard. Today all of these guys are either out of the league, reduced to minor role players, or on their way out of the league. See how it wouldn’t have meant a hill of beans if we’d kept any of them, much less contorted ourselves to do so? Be the change you want to see and endorse losing Revis, Sanchez, Greene, Keller, Holmes, Pouha, and of course Thomas, Trufant and non-entities like that. We have at best 5-10 players on the roster now who’ll matter in 2-3 yrs.

  122. By scjoe on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, when I spoke about Flacco, I spoke solely of his contract., not of his performance on the field. No, I don’t think the Ravens win the SB if Flacco turns the ball over, nor do I think they even get there if he had 1 or 2 Sanchez like games down the stretch. But for me, the focus was on a “20 mil contract” and how things have gotten completely out of hand.

  123. By scjoe on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, agree 100% that there are 4-5 TEs in this draft that are head and shoulders above Keller, Cumberland, and Smith. No doubt! Question is, where is TE on the list of priorities? From where I sit, they follow QB, RB, OLB, G, OT, S, CB (especially if Revis is gone) and WR Not much left after that bro.

  124. By Ronbo on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Tom64,As for Rex & the T.E posisition,thank you,I’m glad I’m not the only one here who see’s that! Bye the way,although the dude has issues do not confuse CorDarell Patterson with Steven Hill.gh they are both tall & very fast and neither of them are likely to get into medical or law school, but that is where the comparison should end.S.Hill has a very upright sprinters gate like an olympic sprinter. If you see film of Patterson he has tremendous change of direction ability.He is a very fluid runner and dude, I’m telling you flat out he has as much ability as Julio Jones. Now, is he a solid citizen, a polished route runner,or a great team mate? I dont know.But believe me, the ability is off the charts!

  125. By scjoe on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Stale potatoes, I know! But some of you have to stop with the persecution of Rex Ryan over the display of the offense the past few years. He is a defensive minded HC, there are many like him, he admits as much, he hasn’t been “hands on” with the offense, the offense has struggled mightily. You can blame him for not being hands on, but NOT for the performance of the unit. It will be very interesting this season to see who the QB will be, how the new OC runs things and how it effects the offense with Rex still being Rex! Some here may be extremely disappointed if the offense happens to take off with new leadership and Rex still HC.

  126. By Byrdman on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Wonder if NFL GM’s are hesitant to trade for Revis based upon his anticipated contract demands or his tendency to conduct the negotiating process on ESPN? Is Revis becoming Radioactive? Jets could be “stuck” with him!
    What do you make of Idzik claiming he wants Tebow to compete with the other QB under contract and FA’s, rookie draft picks for the starting QB position?
    I’m cautiously optimistic that Marty M. can make the right decisions regarding the QB position, based upon an open competition this summer. Watching a game Jet game last season I heard John Gruden make an interesting observation – “Jets QB looking at Tony’s plays,it looks to me like they’re trying to solve some complicated math problem – football’s not Algebra” great point!

  127. By IRA on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Tom, Don’t be surprised if Cincy gets in the mix for Revis. Not ideal to trade him in the AFC lets see how this plays out. Don’t believe anything you read the agents are putting a lot out there and so are teams that are interested saying they are not. One morning we will get up and hear he was traded to somebody.

  128. By IRA on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Another thing i don’t think Revis is going to get what his agents are looking for. I don’t think he will get that 16 mill plus per year deal. Teams are not going to invest that type of money in a CB. My guess is whoever signs him he will get a deal that avg’s out at about 13-14 tops.

  129. By since shea on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Good Riddins Revis. A shutdown corner doesnt put a team in the playoffs. But the extra picks can help. OL, OLB, TE and Braylon as building block pieces this year and a real QB next year could make for a solid foundation for competing year after year. As for Mr T and his Hayden hard to cover talk, ha ha! No wonder he got fired! Hayden barely got on the field. Keller either signs on the cheap or he should go too. Lets also give MM a shot. Coming after the Rich Kotite of OC’s, (Sporano), you never know. MM might make us competitive even with MS or McElroy.

  130. By Ronbo on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, no question Rex was not calling the plays, but no way I give him a pass for not knowing what a problem S.Holmes was in 2011, or for not getting involved last season when it became apparent how clueless Sparano was.Rex was the head coach so it is his job to know what the offence,special teams & of course the defense is doing at all times.To me he failed in all three.The offense& spec.Teams were dreadful last year,and the run def.was one of the leagues worst as well.Sorry bro,no pass for Rex last year.

  131. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, our O is so laughably behind the rest of the league that if we’d fired Rex, all his coaches, and every player on O but Mangold no one outside of NYC would’ve said a word. I really think you need to get it thru your head that giving Rex a chance, giving Sanchez a chance, giving a damn about either or those guys and a lot of others is over, that’s clear from the way Idzik isn’t choosing to say anything and Rex isn’t daring to. Ira is right about how Revis will be gone, not with a bang but a whimper. One day after 3/12 you’ll just wake up to a story about how he’s been traded for exactly the compensation that people have been speculating on to one of the teams that said they weren’t interested in him.

  132. By Ronbo on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe,as usual you make a good point about priorities. I think it comes down to who is available at each pick.As this years T.E group is well above normal that is why I keep pushing for one.When you look at the evoloution at that posisition its easy to see how important it is.So useing the draft formula of rateing guys 1 thru 4 with 4 the top score it will come down to do you take a G you rate as a 2 over a T.E you rate a 3 because you need the G more? As we get closer to the draft we shouls all do our ratings & compare them.

  133. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for the Next Phase on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, our lack of progress at TE and S is symptomatic of Rex’s many flaws as a HC, and those flaws seep into other areas both on and off the field. Rex is a truly one-dimensional person, subject to fits of emotionalism unaccompanied by rational thought and what the shrinks call “reflective functioning,” the ability to step back from the situation and observe it more objectively apart from one’s feelings, prejudices, fears, etc. This is why he can get overly excited about a John Conner on the basis of a single block on a tape or ramble on about picking CBs (and then fixating on them, in the case of Revis) in the absence of the team’s many needs. In short, he utterly lacks the skills and perspective of a good HC and operates more like a fan.

  134. By GaryC on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Todd McShay has Warmack at 18 and Woerner in the late 20’s in the first round,what’s he been smoking,If that was true I will run to trade the jets 9th pick.

  135. By Ronbo on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    IRA,I agree Revis will not get the money he’s looking for if he really expects 16M.?
    Actually, even if he proves himself healthy I cant see anyone giving him even 10 million as after Buffalo’s ill fated disaster with Mario Williams it should be apparent that no defensive players are worth Q.B money.Of course there’s always one knuckleheaded G.M that might be willing to pay that type of money for a 100% healthy C.B,but does Revis fit that catagory?GUYS, keep one thing in mind,if we trade Revis he will be a 12 million instead of a 9 million hit on this years cap.That could potentially lead to us loosing a guy like Slauson or Moore we might have wanted to sign.That has to figure into the decision.

  136. By scjoe on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    64, of all those ex Jets you listed, the only one that had a major impact on the team was Kris Jenkins. There is no denying that the defense played at another level when he was in the lineup. But along that same line, I wonder who will be this years Clowney, Ratliff, Woodhead, Kenyon Coleman, or Westerman. All who were hero’s of pre season and camp and then fade away into obscurity, except for Woodhead of course.

  137. By IRA on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Moving away from all this Revis talk while I think the Jets will draft a RB at some point during the draft I also think they could sign a veteran speed back I would take a look at F Jones. If the price was right I think he is worth a look.

  138. By GaryC on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    It will not be that hard to send Revis to the niners,his demands will come down knowing he is going to a legit contender,all of a sudden a couple of million here or there won’t seem as much,most of the time these egotists cause problems on bad teams,not the excellent ones.

  139. By GaryC on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe,what about Ricky Sapp,I put my vote for him.

  140. By Ronbo on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    IRA,Felix Jones is an intertesting guy. He has all the measurable in terms size,speed,strength.His problem seems to be staying healthy & toughness.If we did bring him in it would likely be the end of Joe Mcknights Jet career.We would probably miss him on K/O returns but otherwise not a big loss.S.C.Joe, I often wonder what might have happaned if Jenkens was able to stay on the fiels.He was a monster when healthy no doubt.

  141. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    IRA, RB is another must NEED for the NYJ. McKnight is injury prone. I like Lattimore. He looks to be a 4th rounder put could be the sleeper or gem of the draft. What concerns me also is the FB spot, gotta have a thumper in there to block. I don’t even know who our FB is! I would like to see what Powell has with a full season under his belt. Start Powell, then you have McKnight and Lattimore..not bad. If there was a FA RB I would consider it would be R.Bush only because he still young and can catch the ball out of the backfield..knock on him is the samething as McKnight..fragile.
    Ronbo-64Tom- the more I see games of this kid Ertz the more I want him. Big, strong has good hands and can block. He would be the perfect 2nd rd pick.

  142. By Karan on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    Jets one of four teams that reach out to Charles Woodson. I would really like to have him here really for depth and leadership. However, no way he comes here, he could end up a Giant or Seahawk or even Cheif.

  143. By scjoe on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    I agree that Revis will probably not come close to what his agents (and his uncle) are telling him he will get, but the reason for that is the injury, not because the greedy billionaires refuse to pay that kind of money for a CB. When people say he is “just a CB” that don’t tell the whole story. When healthy (and he has been most of his career) he is capable of taking away a good portion of the opposing offense. How many players can you say that about? Love him or hate him, give him his due.

  144. By scjoe on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, Rex did “get involved” when he fired Sparano after the season, not so sure firing him mid stream would have benefited anyone. The culprits on offense last season were Sparano, Sanchez, Greene, injuries to the WRs. lacking at the RT and LG positions, the TEs, the Tebow debacle, etc. Not Rex Ryan.

  145. By scjoe on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    64, you are right about the offense being laughable, you are probably right that if Rex and his coaches had been fired no one outside of NY would know or care, but how does that correct the problem at hand? The best way to do that is by acquiring quality players, beginning with the QB. Then you hire a quality OC that best utilizes what he has on the roster. None of that happened last year. Lets see if it does this year. It just may change your mind.

  146. By Byrdman on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe – think the Jets should make Woodhead an offer? It might be good public relations gesture from Rex.
    Wonder if Rex goes into panic mode during the draft this year and reaches for a QB to save his job? And by “reach” I mean taking ANY QB @9
    Or by taking Matt “Stork” Glennon anywhere – Yeah I’m giving him that moniker, you heard it HERE first on Radar !
    64Tom – Are you reading some of the latest Revis rumors?
    A few seem to indicate that “phasing” the guy out is more problematic than we’ve been led to believe – Are the members of the “Revis Must GO” party going to need straight-jackets if they see #24 on the roster in 2013 ?

  147. By Ronbo on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, lets not forget Rex is the guy who hired Sparano in the first place.(in a knee jerk reaction no less)so lets not pat him on the back too much for fireing him.And why not fire him during the season?Hey, we had a shot to make the playoffs with 5 games against patsies so I think we should have turned over every stone in that effort.You know as well as anyone Sparano’s fate was already decided so why not go in another direction? Hey,if your in a burning building an a exit is blocked,you find another exit!

  148. By Ronbo on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    ALLAN O, Yeah,Gary C & I have been all over Eartz for quite a while now.I know the N.D. kid looks even better on paper (combine crap) but what I see in Eartz is a kid who really competes for the ball in the air and who wants to prove he is the best.If the Jets had more guys like that we wouldn’t be complaing so much about Rex & Sanchez because guys like Eartz are difference makers.BYRDMAN, it would be nice to get Woodhead back but I’m not sure he would be as effective here(Sanchez)as he is in N.E? They have so many weapons there a little guy like Woody gets over looked. With us he would be tripled teamed as we have so few reliable options.But yeah, I would love to right that wrong!

  149. By Ronbo on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    GARY C, Ricky Sapp? I was just wondering what you were asking about? i cant seem to figure out where you are going? As far as his football ability he was heralded coming from the U, but failed to stick with the Eagles as a D.E. We picked him up and moved him to OLB where he is more suited,but Rex has never given him much of an opportunity to show what he could do? I think he has the size,strength and speed to be a good player.But who know’s if he will get the chance?

  150. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom With His Eyes on the Prize on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I’m just saying that for the most part, as Freddie Mercury so famously sang, “Nothing really matters” this yr. We have to unload a lot of players, get and stock draft picks, pick smartly and with completely different priorities than Mr T and Rex have for the most part set, and then look forward to Phase 2 when Rex and Sanchez are gone, hopefully as early as late October in Rex’s case. And nothing proves that Idzik is in fact taking this approach than Cimini’s report today that he’s asking Holmes, who will not be a factor on any winning Jet team if he stays a Jet for long to begin with, to rework his contract.

  151. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom With His Eyes on the Prize on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, I’m solidly with Ira on Revis, you don’t negotiate in public and all the complications about Revis will sort themselves out because there’s simply no way we need to pay him anything, much less what he wants. We have to build a whole new team of which he won’t be a part. Whether we trade him before the trade to get picks for this yr or after the draft to get picks for next yr doesn’t matter because Idzik is surely looking at this yr and next yr’s draft together, but we will trade him, that’s clear. Again, look at what’s going on with Holmes, the other “best player on the team” that Rex can’t stop talking about.

  152. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    Here are players that were on the “affordable” list for the NYJ because of their cap situation.
    B.Quinn – QB
    M.Moore – QB
    J.Scott – G
    F.Jones – RB
    M.Massaquoi – WR
    A.Fasano – TE
    J.Leonhard – S
    G.Quin – S
    C.Barwin – LB

  153. By GaryC on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    ronbo,Ricky Sapp went to Clemson,Warren went to the U,I mentioned him because Scjoe asked who would be the next great jet during pre season,that is when I brought up Sapp.

  154. By Byrdman on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    64Tom – Idzik and Jets have a deadline = Draft Day. If they don’t find a trade partner by then teams will look at other options for 2013. After that they can play the waiting game, if Revis holds out or doesn’t look like Shutdown Revis his trade value will plummet to a 1 player and or a 2nd round pick.
    Jet nation, including some here on Radar (not you) got all starry eyed, mouth dropped open and they were drooling all over their laptops reading these ridiculous trade deals “Niners prepared to give 2 firsts this year, 2 2nd rounders next draft” “Arthur Blank offers his entire 2013 draft for a lock of Revis’ HAIR” The reality of it is, this whole thing could end badly for Jet fans.

  155. By scjoe on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, from what I can see, this is where we differ. You seem to have your mind made up that Rex Ryan was the main culprit on how the offense operated, or “didn’t operate” may be a better term, by hiring Sparano, by NOT firing Sparano sooner, by not being more hands on, and the fact that we played a bunch of patsies down the stretch and lost. I on the other hand place the blame where it should be placed, as I indicated earlier, the QB, the OC, the RBs in general and most of the rest of the offensive personnel, personnel picked mostly by Mike Tannenbaum. Remember, because of the personnel on offense, the NY Jets could also have been labeled “patsies” down the stretch.

  156. By scjoe on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, here is my thoughts on Woodhead, first, he is what he is because of the way he was used (in NE, same for Welker) and because of the supporting cast around him. He wasn’t “thee” guy, he was more like “thee guy # 4 or 5. If he were back in a Jet uni, with the same supporting cast as when he left, he would be right back to where he was coming out of school and after the injury, which is nowhere. What does it all mean? Just what I have been debating Ron and 64 about forever….The NY Jets personnel, or lack there of, on offense, starting with the QB. It tells you all you need to know.

  157. By scjoe on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC/Ron… Ricky Sapp?? Sure, he could be this years Coleman, Clowney, Ratliff, Woodhead etc. But it is much to early to tell now, lets wait and see who the lower round picks and the undrafted FAs are before we make that determination.

  158. By scjoe on Mar 7, 2013 | Reply

    64, yea, I was a Freddy Mercury fan too. But, lets remember, when you “unload” ALL of these players, they have to be replaced. Unfortunately, replacing doesn’t always guarantee upgrading. I know where you and Ron stand on Rex. I know you want to give him his fair share of blame, but whether you want to hear this or not, Mike Tannenbaum is/was more then 90% responsible for the personnel on this roster as of right now. Ryan may or may not have been responsible for the remaining 10% That is where you are losing me. I think Mike Tannenbaum was fired for a reason. I think Ryan stayed for a reason.

  159. By Tom Spicer on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    I agree with SCJoe most head coaches are former cordinators who only know about 1 side of the ball. They hire a proven good person to take care of the other side of the ball. I never liked Schotty & was hoping they would hire a proven guy to run the O in comes Sparano who wound up being worse than Schotty. Also Ryan is a D guy & we have always had good D’S while he has been with us. MR.T has done a bad job of getting the talent for Rex to be great.

  160. By Tom Spicer on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, Of course the reason for so few teams being willing to trade for Revis is his contract demands. Most teams dont have that kind of cap space. Everyone has the picks to trade & who would not want the best corner in the NFL in a passing league.

  161. By Ronbo on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    `S.C.Joe, I get you on Rex and respect your opinion.Heres the thing, When Woody finally woke up & realized how bad our personell situation was he fired the top guy Tanney!He didn’t fire the scouts or the asst. G.M, he fired the guy responceable! If a major comp. is failing they fire the C.E.O. The guy in charge hires his people to implement his program.Therefore,it is his job to make sure the job gets done.The way I see it,Rex has failed miserably in this regard.Really,the only success he has had was due to another coaches asst’s and players.Who on the team do you feel Rex has helped become a better player? Ya gotta stop deflecting the blame bro, Rex has not gottent the job done!

  162. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom With His Eyes on the Prize on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, that “things could end badly” for the Jets isn’t front-page news but rather what most of us long-time fans have come to expect. And if Revis’ injury has downgraded his worth, there’s nothing we can do about that. But as others who’ve talked about Idzik’s patience have said on various football sites, Idzik doesn’t particularly care when he trades DR as long as it’s before October, as he’s working on a long-term plan here. scjoe, lousy personnel didn’t help Rex on O. The problem is he can’t tell lousy personnel from good personnel, as revealed by his ridiculous claims for Sanchez, Greene, Mason and others. For that reason alone he needs to go, if you gave him Brady he’d somehow turn him into a mediocre “game manager.”

  163. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom With His Eyes on the Prize on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    Oh yeah, and another thing, scjoe: The “reason” Rex stayed is the same one that Sanchez stayed, and that’s because that’s a lot of money to eat in a yr in which you know you’re likely to finish anywhere from 6-10 to 2-14. Like I said on the story ahead of this one, Woody messed up by letting Mr T throw money at anyone who did even okay instead of demanding excellence and then rewarding them accordingly, like with the old Ralph Kiner story about Rickey telling him the Pirates could finish last without him and all his home runs. But you can hardly blame him for wanting to save the money he’d have to pay Rex and Sanchez to go on ESPN and instead using it to rebuild the team over the next few yrs.

  164. By Ronbo on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.jOE,& SPICER, Sorry but saying a guy is a D or an O coach is not how I remember guys like Jimmy Johnson,Bill Walsh,Bill Parcells, Bill Bilacheat,or any of the great coaches we have all observed.The tearm Head Coach implies the person in charge! On the door to my office are the words “the buck stops here!” I can assure you I know what every mgr in my business is doing and I have no problem sticking my nose in when I feel the need! If my mgr screws up I will replace him if neccessary.Sorry guys but defending Rex for not knowing much about offense is like telling a state trooper you didn’t know it was illegal to drive 50mph over the speed limit. It just doesn’t work ignorence is no excuse! Not when your in charge.

  165. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom With His Eyes on the Prize on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    That’s right, Ronbo, one of Rex’s most glaring failures is his complete inability to develop players on either side of the ball. Even players he’s raved about and made a pt of drafting high like Wilson have amounted to far less than other teams’ high picks. I don’t really understand why Spicer and scjoe behave sometimes like Rex is the only option at HC. He’s brought nothing to the team and as soon as Mangini’s roster was depleted he turned this team into a laughingstock. Like with Sanchez, we’d do better with almost any HC under the circumstances, especially since we’ve finally gotten off this “we’re close” jive and started to deal with our real problems. Asking Holmes to restructure is just more evidence of that.

  166. By scjoe on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    Let me try again Ron/64, something is getting lost in translation. Rex Ryan is a defensive minded coach! The defense preformed admirably over his 4 years as a HC. Good enough to win. He was more then competent in that aspect of the game. Because he is a “D” guy, like any other, he relied on Shotty, then Sparano to run the offense, they, along with the offensive personnel failed, miserably! Had there been some quality at the skill positions, (QB, RB, WR,TE, even OL) AND at OC we wouldn’t be sitting here having this conversation right now. Like any CEO, Ryan delegated responsibility. He choose poorly, THAT is where he is guilty. NOT in the results THEY achieved.

  167. By scjoe on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    64, no, I don’t think money was the reason WJ retained Rex Ryan. I think it is because he realized the fact that there was no one out there who was available that would be an upgrade. And he would be 100% correct in that assessment.

  168. By scjoe on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, Bill Belichek? Not a good example. How did he work out in Cleveland as a HC WITHOUT A guy named Tom Brady running the offense? We can argue this subject for the next 40 years, or until the NYJ win another SB, which ever comes first. But you can not deny the fact that your team, and your HC, can only go as far as your personnel allows them. That is not my opinion, that is a fact. Bill Walsh was an offensive genius, you think he had much input on the defensive scheme and play calling? Question.. If the NYJ had the NO Saints offensive personnel, and the same HC, you think we would be having this conversation right now?

  169. By Ronbo on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, You never answered my questions? Do you think Bilacheat,Parcells or any of the great coaches would ever be associated with a “debacle like the Jets 2012 season? I’m not sure anything is getting lost in translation,I just think for some reason you have decided Rex is a great coach?.Me, I dont get it? Giving Rex the credit for the teams defense is questionable as well.The first two seasons he basically used Mangini’s players plus Scott & Leonard from Baltimore.Where are those guys today?You have admitted that last seasons so called great pass defense was more a product of the run D being so bad teams didn’t bother throwing And look at who we played last season.The 3 good teams we played had no problem scoreing on our great D?

  170. By Byrdman on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    Rex Ryan = Wayne Fontes
    Google the former coach of the Detroit Lions, its scary how similar these two guys are!
    Fontes was considered a good DC in Tampa and got hired by the Lions as HC. He actually had a couple good seasons,went 12-4 one year when OT Mike Utley got injured and ended up paralyzed, The team went on an emotional rampage, inspired by Mike’s legendary “Thumbs-Up” signal he made going off the field.
    Wayne was notorious for firing/hiring Offensive Coordinators every year
    (sound familiar) ??
    My take on Fontes and Ryan is that they are both capable DC’s that got promoted one step beyond what their respective talents and abilities warranted.
    – Wayne even looked/sounded like Rex in pressers :D

  171. By Ronbo on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, And the second reason I dont credit him is the basis of your whole argument, If Rex is not at fault with the offense what makes you think he was so involved with the D? wasn’t Mike Pettine the D.C the last 4 seasons?I know we should be able to safley assume Rex was involved,but his lack of interest in the O when his job was potentially on the line certianly lends one to question his committment.Look how fast he hired Sparano after dumping Schotty? Does anybody really believe he did any research into Sparanos qualifications to be a O.C? And if he did,who the heck did he ask? Rich Kotite?How does it feel to get into it with someone as stubborn as you are?But I luv ya Bro!BYRDMAN,ALLAN O,R- U LOVING THIS?

  172. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom With His Eyes on the Prize on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    You can’t win in the NFL without the ability to score pts, scjoe, and everybody in the league knows that but Rex. And I’d suggest you stop beating a dead horse about O and D HC’s. I think maybe you’re just so used to mediocrity in Jetland that you can’t even remember when we had a well-rounded HC, i.e. from where we sit now, Edwards looks like the closest thing to that. The greatest HC’s in AFL/NFL history — Davis, Gilman, Saban, Stram, Lombardi, Landry, Noll, Walsh, Parcells — woulda been deeply insulted if you even suggested that they were only “O” or “D” HCs’. As many have said on this site and elsewhere, Rex didn’t get the Ravens job for a reason, he’s all bluster and no brains, all mouth and no motor.

  173. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom With His Eyes on the Prize on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    That isn’t to say I disagree with you about Rex’s tendency to over-delegate, scjoe. That’s just another one of his many serious flaws, along with his curious belief that all you have to do to make a player great is keep telling him that he already is.

  174. By Ronbo on Mar 9, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe,64 make a good point about Rex ‘over-delegateing to his co-ordinators.Perhaps we can cut him some slack as I can understand him wanting to assume they know what they are doing. But the reality is Sparano obviously did not and that is why Rex is now a lame-duck H.C. Again, the buck stops with him this year.This will be a point of interest to all of us here.Especially me,you &64.

  175. By scjoe on Mar 9, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, I don’t remember what question you were referring to that I did not answer. But here is one of my own that you didn’t answer. “If the NYJ had the NO Saints entire offensive unit and the same HC (Rex Ryan) would we be having this conversation now?” Hypothetical yes, but I think you get the point. Think about that question for a few minutes before you hastily jot something down. You can throw names like Lombardi, Parcells, Walsh and Shula out there all day long, NONE are available to coach the NYJ. Tell me, which of the recycled rejects of today do you propose? Which do you believe would turn this club around in one off season, with this personnel?

  176. By scjoe on Mar 9, 2013 | Reply

    64, it appears as though we are both beating that dead horse! I know quite as well as you do how difficult it is to win in this league if you don’t have the ability to put points on the board. I would go out on a very short, slippery limb and say that Rex Ryan knows that as well. Putting those points on the board with Mark Sanchez, Shonn Greene, Stephen Hill, Chaz Schilens etc. etc. etc. (I think you get the point) is easier said then done, as we ALL have seen. Do you think Bill Walsh or Sid Gillman would have gotten better results from this group?

  177. By scjoe on Mar 9, 2013 | Reply

    64/Ron, there is a major inconsistency with your arguments, both of you. You both preach about how this team needs to be totally “rebuilt” how they need a QB, RB, WRs, TEs. OL, S., OLB etc. And you know what? I agree 100%. Now, tell me this, knowing all of that, how do you persistently place the blame for this abomination of a roster, and the results it has achieved on the HC??? It has to be one OR the other, can’t be both. If the quality were in place, I would be the very first to agree with you. It is not! Further, this current roster can be attributed to the former GM NOT the current HC. Make no mistake. I am not “in love” with the current HC. I am just being realistic.

  178. By scjoe on Mar 9, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, re: Mike Pettine? Anyone who followed the NYJ for any period of time would know he was a DC “in name only” Ryan called all the plays, always has. And further, I never said the NYJ had a great D. I said they have preformed admirably under Rex Ryan and gave the team a chance to win. The fact that they preformed admirably is a credit to Rex Ryan because God knows the talent is far from in place. Why don’t you guys go through the roster, evaluate the talent, then see if you want to stand pat in your arguments.

  179. By scjoe on Mar 9, 2013 | Reply

    Just one more thing, if you do want to stand pat, tell me why.

  180. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Tries to Be Classy on Mar 9, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, did the aliens get a hold of you and turn you into one of the pod people for that post about Woody knowing there was no better HC candidate than Rex for this yr? Other teams hired lots of guys who would be better and saying there’s nobody in other organized football who could do better than Rex is like going to a Victoria’s Secret show and saying you’re not interested in anyone after the first few girls on the runway. This is a non-competitive yr and it would be insane to pay Rex millions of dollars to go on ESPN and do the LT thing, i.e. claim it wasn’t his fault and get rich while doing it. I think most folks on this site think that Callahan might well have been a better HC pick. Schotty, okay, I don’t know about that…

  181. By Byrdman on Mar 9, 2013 | Reply

    Did anyone read my comment above comparing Rex Ryan to Wayne Fontes?
    It’s a rather astute observation, if I do say so myself!

    That’s me taking a 100 mph Justin Verlander fastball and BOOOM knocking that thing into another dimension !!

  182. By scjoe on Mar 9, 2013 | Reply

    64, sure, lots of other teams went out and hired new HCs. Now, lets see how it all plays out, if KC excels under Philly reject Reid, or if Philly excels under their new HC from the college ranks (not unless he brought his college schedule along with him) or maybe it will be Arizona winning it all this year with Ariens going from decent OC to miracle worker HC. C’mon man, at some point you have acknowledge that the talent level on the roster actually does come in to play.

  183. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Tries to Be Classy on Mar 10, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, are you saying you don’t have any Jet fan friends who think that Rex was calling the shots with Mr T, that Rex is calling the shots even now? I have plenty and you can read that opinion on ESPN posts every other hour. I think the reason people think that is because Rex’s ideas on O and his mentoring and grooming of young players all score out so ridiculously low. So yes, I absolutely think Gilman, Saban, and maybe even Al Groh would do better with the O guys we have now than Rex has. Just to give a few examples, they wouldn’t burden a skittish, slow-witted QB with trips off the field for the Wildcat, they’d see that McKnight is an outside runner and use him that way, and they’d throws screens and passes downfield.

  184. By Ronbo on Mar 10, 2013 | Reply

    S.S.Joe, geez, I love argueing with you! This is really fun!Seriously,I know we are beating a dead horse here so Randy will have to step in and give us something else to bicker aboutLOL.A couple of final thoughts, MI was referring to my questions 1-can you name any players rex could be given credit for developing!2-Can you recall any of the really good coaches presiding over a debacle like last years?Oh, as for Bilacheat in Cleveland, yes he bombed there, he was a lot younger & no he had no Tom Brady.I include Bilacheat as like him or not he is Canton bound(rightfully or not!?And inspite of our dislike for him his teams are always above .500 any almost always in the playoffs.You always make great arguments(which is why I enjoy this so much!

  185. By Ronbo on Mar 10, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, If the Jets had the N.O. offensive team w/Payton as O/C I would have to give Rex the benefit of the doubt that even he could not screw that up.Not 100% but yes I would give it to him.Now,back to reality, I doudt anything like that will ever happan to us as long as Rex is still presideing as the head ringmaster in our 3 ring circus(offense,defense,spec.teams)As for my Pettinne point,I was trying to say you cant have it both ways,if he’s not responceable for the O, why is he responceable for the D?Do we really know he was?

  186. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Tries to Be Classy on Mar 10, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, your Fontes point was suberb! scjoe, until Rex develops at least ONE player on O to any true, long-lasting degree, I’ll doubt his ability to put points on the board with the best roster in the league. His undying belief in Sanchez alone, which he should’ve dropped after the PIT playoff loss, is enough to end the discussion right there, of course…

  187. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2013 | Reply

    64, sure, I have friends who are Jet fans, some feel that Rex “had a say” in player personnel, most feel as I do, that Rex had to live with the cards that were dealt to him by Mike Tannenbaum. But although I have been making that argument for the past 4 years now, it wasn’t confirmed until both WJ and the one and only Mike Tannenbaum admitted as much publicly. THAT, more then what any other Jet fan says, thinks, or believes, is gospel. As for that “player development?” I think he did a pretty admirable job with both Wilkerson and Coples. But for a guy like S. HILL (who he didn’t even want) there is not to much hope anyway, nor for the many who didn’t even make the roster.

  188. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, well, a small consolation but a consolation none the less. Meaning, if the NYJ had the entire N.O. Saints offensive unit and the same HC (our man Rex) that there would be no ammunition to assassinate Rex Ryan on his offensive philosophy. Good start. Now, just take in to consideration that this current Jets roster, as God awful as it is, was not put together by Rex Ryan, we all know by now who has that distinction. Bottom line, God awful rosters make an average HC look….. God awful, while a cast of “elite’s” make the average HC look every bit elite! Would you say that is accurate AND true?

  189. By scjoe on Mar 10, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, Bill Belichek! No, I don’t particularly care for him, but I always give credit where credit is due. That said, the credit may not be in the area you think. It is not because of the W-L record per se, I credit that more to Tom Brady. But where Belichek deserves most of the credit is in the system he runs. A system that is absolutely team first. He shows little or no loyalty to any player, with the exception of maybe Tom Brady. The system works, but for the most part, if you take a player out of that system it (the player) don’t work nearly as well. The no loyalty trait is one I would like to see Rex Ryan adopt.

  190. By Ronbo on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, I always give credit where credit is due.Now, the one flaw in your Hypothetical N.O’s offense under Rex is I cant imagine Rex being smart enough to assemble such a talented group? I dont care what Tanneyt said about him being in charge(what else was he gonna say?that he was Rex’s puppett but if another team hires him he wont let it happan again?) I guarantee Rex had major influence in who was & wasn’t on our roster.If you choose to believe differently so be it. And I certianly wont to blow his horn for Coples or even MoWilk yet eithet. A combined 10&1/2 sacks is about half of what most teams expect out of 2 #1 draft picks who play the premium sack posisition?

  191. By scjoe on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    Well, it’s winding down for me 64, but ask yourself this question, how many DCs, turned HC do you know of that have “developed” ANY offensive player, OR visa versa? That is why they have coordinators and position coaches. That said, and now that we have established the fact that 95% of the players on this roster were acquired by MT, not RR and even taking it a step further, the fact that we know the HC was told by the former GM who should play, (Sanchez?) who should be in a rotation (Ducasse?) and how that same former employee brought this organization to the ground in an effort to save face because of his consistent blunders, is the reason I stand where I do re RR. How about you?

  192. By Tom Spicer on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo & Tom 64, To put it plain & simple. 95% of these coaches are the same. There are a few bad coaches there is nothing Belicheat knows that is any better than anyone else. The bottom line is this he has Tom Brady 1 of the best QB’s of time & over the years he has had better talent then us. Lets put it this way I Tom Spicer would have been a good NFL coach if I had Tom Brady & the talent that the Pats had over the years!

  193. By Tom Spicer on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, I actually give Rex alot of credit for Wilkerson & Coples. Wilkerson was the #2 rated 3-4 end in all of the NFL last year behind JJ Watt. He came out of Temple so most people probably didnt even know about the guy. Coples had 5 1/2 sacks as a part time player behind Devito I actually think both of these guys are the future of our D. Also in a 4-3 the ends are the premier sack position in a 3-4 it is the OLB’S that are supposed to get all the sacks (the key word there is supposed) With the Jets we all know that did not happen.

  194. By scjoe on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, we never said HOW the offensive roster was put together, just that “if” the NYJ had THAT offensive roster AND their current HC, how would that work for you? Once it is determined beyond reasonable doubt that Rex Ryan has final control and final say on ALL personnel matters we can resume this “debate” but until then, the blame has to be placed where it is due, that would be the former NYJ GM. For now, it is just your opinion that Rex Ryan is “not smart enough” to put together as talanted an offensive roster as that” Right?

  195. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Tries to Be Classy on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I’ve watched Parcells at the Cowboys camp in Thousand Oaks stalk around the field and show every player how to play his position, so don’t tell me about position coaches. As for Woody and Mr T’s talk of the roster, nothing personal but you can’t necessarily listen to anything anyone says in public without knowing their actual private agenda, that’s what we have unnamed sources and investigative reporters for. Case in point, if you believe the nonsense Woody said in January about how Rex is the right guy for this team — as opposed to believing that he just doesn’t want to pay him to do nothing for a yr — you’re surprisingly naive. Spicer, Rex could ruin even Brady and scjoe, you can see that in the ridiculous way he handled “Mark.”

  196. By Ronbo on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    SPICER, PLEASE, dont give me that bull about 3-4 D.E’s not being premium sack guys! Why dont you tell that to J.J.Watt,Richard Seymour or even Shaun Ellis for us?You mentioning Coples & Mo Wilk for 5 sacks is the whole problem with this team.The bar is set to low! As for Coples playng part time, who’s fault was that? As Rex annointed him the starter before he even put on a helmet are you seriously trying to say he lived up to the teams expectations?Now, I grant you & agree with you that those guys need to be big parts of our future, but please bro, they need to get double digit sacks.Heres the thing, If we get a guy like D.Jordan or J.Jones those guys should face few double teams which should free them to wreak havoc.

  197. By Ronbo on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, you of all people should know that I was the mouth that roared when it came to blasting Tannenbaum.Obviously I agree he was absoloutely the biggest negative in this teams recent history.If you recall I mentioned I have a close friend who worked in the Giants organization most recently as a scout.He is now the new G.M of your states team.When I asked him why he never showed interest in the Jets gig it was clear he was concerned with Woody’s love for Rex & how that might impact his ability to control player selection?

  198. By Ronbo on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    s.c.Joe- Now,do I believe Rex was makeing all the calls? No! But would it not make sence that Tanney could see how smitten Woody was with Rex, how he loved the bluster, & bravado? Would it not make sence he would be influenced l by Rex’s wishes for which players to pick? Dude, if you can say no to all of those questions then its time for us to move on to a fifferent subject. Obviously we feel differently about Rex but thats not what defines us jet fans. We all love our team & simply want whats best for it. A couple guys to keep an eve on, Our guy E.J Manuel is shooting up boards.Might even sneak in to late 1st or early 2nd Rd?Also,Arizona Q.B Matt Scott was 6-2 190, now up to 218.Has good arm very mobile.Could be this years Russel Wilson?

  199. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Woody’s love of Rex takes a big hit in a couple of days when Revis is traded, Ronbo…and Rex’s love of Woody does as well. THAT romance is over, you can see it by the way Idzik’s handling things without a care in the world about how tough or easy it is for Rex this yr. They’re just paying Rex off during a meaningless yr and then they’ll get down to the business of hiring a real HC, not a sideshow barker.

  200. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, Richard Seymore never had more than 8 sacks in a year. Is that a premimum sack guy to you? Shaun Ellis also never had more than 8 sacks as a 3-4 DE the 2 years he had more than 8 he was a 4-3 DE. So congradulations in the last 20 years you named 1 big sack guy playing the 3-4 DE spot. Wyatt is a freak of nature maybe the best D player in the NFL he is the exception not the norm. Do a little research & come back to me when you find a 3-4 DE besides Wyatt who is a premier pass rusher & let me know. Until then SORRY YOUR WRONG!

  201. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    If Coples & Wilkerson had double digit sacks every year like you propose they both would be in the pro bowl every year. Never mind that they both would be all pros every year. I will go even further cause 3-4 DE’S do not average 10 or more sacks a year it just doesnt happen. They both would be hall of famers lets put it that way. As 3-4 DE’S with Copels & Wilkerson if both had 8 sacks next year both would get major MAJOR votes for the pro bowl. In a 4-3 the pass rushers are the DE’S in a 3-4 the pass rushers are the OLB’S this is common knowledge.

  202. By scjoe on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    64, to say that Rex Ryan could even ruin a Tom Brady is really, really grasping at straws now, wouldn’t you say? It’s to bad, that in our lifetime we will never get that opportunity to find that out for sure. But I would be willing to bet the farm that if Rex had Tom Brady instead of Mark Sanchez running this offense, yes, THIS offense not the NE offense, that they would have been in the tournament. Remember, show me the “elite” talent on the playing field, and I will show you the “elite” HC, because with the parity among today’s HCs, THAT, is the only difference. NOT how much the HC “motivates” the players.

  203. By scjoe on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, sorry dude, have to go with Spicer on this one. Yes, there are some above average 3-4 DEs who will put up some “decent” sack numbers, but the “elite” sack numbers in the 3-4 come from the OLBs. That is just the way the 3-4 is designed. One of the prerequisites for a 3-4 DE is to be big, strong and athletic enough to enable him, along with the NT to tie up blockers for the LBs to make the plays. Not so in a 4-3. You wont find to many 4-3 alignments with 310 lb DEs like you do in a 3-4. Of course, in today’s NFL you will see Hybrids of both alignments and you will see DCs trying to create mismatches by interchanging, but generally speaking, the sacks in a pure 3-4 usually come from the OLBs as opposed to the DEs.

  204. By Ronbo on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    SPICER, come on dude,enough with the bogus stats!First of all, most of the time when Coples was actually in the game so was Mo,Devito and either Ellis or Pouha.Which bacically tells us we played a good deal of 4-3. So enough with te 4-3 3-4 nonesence!Here’s the thing, I love you because your a great jet fan, and your so damn optimistic.Thats cool!The problem is expectations need to be higher as we are all tired of being mediocre.I KNOW DAWN WELL YOU ARE NOT GONNA BE SATISFIED GOING 6-10,7-9 OR EVEN 8-8 so lets get together and demand more from the front office which hopefully translates to a winning team & eventually a superbowl championship!

  205. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    It was a joke about Rex ruining Brady, scjoe, but given the utterly clueless, totally outdated approach to O that Rex has taken as the Jets’ HC, which is the main reason he’s going to get fired, I think it’s quite possible that he could destroy even the greatest QB in league.

  206. By Ronbo on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, Yes if the Jets played a traditional 3-4 Spicer & I would not be having this conversation. The jets Played a lot of 4 man fronts last year (especially when Coples was on the field. Do you really think I’m not aware of the difference in the type of personell needed to play both? Come on bro?No I hear you though.I just have so much fun here with you guys,sometimes I just cant help myself.I doubt I would spend so much time here if you & Spicer weren’t here!It’s all good bro!

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