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Jersey Guy Garrard Finally Makes It Back Home

Posted by Randy Lange on March 11, 2013 – 7:33 pm

It’s the closing of a circle for David Garrard, or at least the completion of a long lap up and down the Eastern Seaboard.

The 35-year-old quarterback (no, not 38 or 37 as some have speculated) was born in East Orange, N.J., about 20 minutes from the Jersey Meadowlands in February 1978, which was about 6½ years before the Jets even moved there.

Now after his upbringing in Plainfield, N.J., and Durham, N.C., his college ball at East Carolina, and his nine-year playing career with the Jacksonville Jaguars, plus a small stop last offseason with the Miami Dolphins, Garrard has signed on with the Jets to provide competition for Mark Sanchez and the rest of the Green & White QBs.

“I definitely think it’s the ideal situation,” Garrard told SiriusXM NFL Radio last week about the Jets after his visit. “It was a great workout. Every drill they had me do, I did great in. I felt like my old self again.

Word of Garrard’s possible signing grew cold publicly for a while, because it was reported the Jets had to do some cap work if they wanted to bring him to their roster. Whatever had to happen has been done because the team announced the signing late this afternoon.

New offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg had his first conference call with Jets reporters today at 1 p.m. ET and was not asked about Garrard. But about competition in general for Sanchez, et al, MM said that while “Mark will probably have a little bit of a leg up, it would appear,” he also said, “We like competition at all spots, and certainly at that spot. Competition just makes everybody better.”

When Garrard was at the peak of his game, he was nicely competitive for the Jaguars. From 2005, when he finally started to get playing time, through 2010, he assembled a portfolio that sported a 38-35 record as a starter, 62.1% completion accuracy, and a decent 22.0% touchdown drive rate (the NFL average is about 18.5%).

Garrard faced the Jets exactly once since being drafted in the fourth round of the 2002 draft by the Jaguars out of East Carolina as the eventual successor to, yes, Mark Brunell. That meeting was at the old Meadowlands on Nov. 15, 2009, and it was a microcosm of his only Pro Bowl season that year. On a cloudy, cool fall day, he completed 16 of 26 passes for 221 yards, one touchdown and no interceptions. He also ran for an 11-yard score.

And after the Jets, led by then-rookie Sanchez, had come back from a 21-10 first-half deficit for a 22-21 lead on a Thomas Jones power TD with 5:04 to play, Garrard led the Jags on an 11-play, 80-yard drive with 4-for-6 passing — including that crushing 33-yard catch-and-run by TE Marcedes Lewis — and Maurice Jones-Drew’s clutch kneeldown at the Jets 1 with a minute to play, setting up Josh Scobee’s game-winning chip-shot field goal as time expired.

Even though Garrard’s ’09 season was one of his better showings, it wasn’t his best. He took the Jags to a 9-3 record and a playoff road win at Pittsburgh on the strength of such skills as his 64.0% completion percentage and 18 TD passes to just three interceptions.

That 6.0 TDs/INTs rate, by the way, is the fifth-best season in NFL history among qualifying QBs, trailing only Kansas City’s Damon Huard (11.00, 11/1 in 2006), New England’s Tom Brady (9.00, 36-4 in 2010 after 6.25, 50/8 in 2007) and Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers (7.50, 45/6 in 2011).

Many Jets fans are skeptical as to how much competition a QB out of the NFL for the past two seasons could give a fifth-year incumbent and several more signalcallers this offseason and summer. But just keep in mind that he had that strong  tryout with the Jets recently, and some say he was poised to begin last season as the Dolphins’ starter — that is, until he injured his knee, missed the entire preseason schedule and was released as the ‘Fins began the Ryan Tannehill era quicker than maybe they had planned.

All of this is tank-half-full/tank-half-empty talk, of course. Is DG the catalyst to getting the Jets offense back on its feet? Or will he be one-and-done, whatever “one” is defined as? Will No. 9 beat out No. 6 in the coming offseason/preseason competition, or will Sanchez be spurred on to new professional growth? What about Tim Tebow, Greg McElroy, and whoever may arrive in the draft?

We’ll learn a little more Tuesday, when Garrard is scheduled to talk with reporters on a conference call, and then as the veterans return to the offseason conditioning program, OTAs and the veteran minicamp from mid-April to mid-June.

For now, though, assuming Garrard’s health and competitive juices and considering what we know of the Jets’ situation, it looks like a good fit as an able body has been added to help with the ongoing construction project.

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76 Responses to “Jersey Guy Garrard Finally Makes It Back Home”

  1. By Dr. Frank on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    I really once again think the Jets blew it here. Garrard is not the type of competition we need at QB. The only reason why he is in NY is that he came cheap. Still think they need to draft a QB in the later rounds of the draft as they have other needs to fill early. They should also give McElroy and Simms a fair shot. They need to make Tebow a tight end/H-back or dump him ASAP. They should also make Sanchez renegotiate his contract so that he can take a pay cut. They need so many different players that it would take him and Holmes to cut their pay so that they might be able to sign some good UFA’s, or possibly have some $$ to resign Revis if they think it is worth it.

  2. By Charliejet on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    Sanchez has “leg -up” on the competition – Marty Mornhinweg. I guess they are already stroking Sanchez’s ego… poor boy.

  3. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Tries to Be Classy on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    Sanchez would kill for Garrard’s stats. DG has been a much better QB as a pro than “Mark” has come close to being, unless you buy into delusions that MS was the key to getting us to two AFC championship games, one of which he failed to show up in for the entire first half, just like the rest of Rex’s highly motivated team. I like what one guy posted on ESPN about DG that he’s also the likely mentor for at least a yr, maybe 2, for the QB that I’m now pretty sure we’ll draft. (MS couldn’t mentor a QB in Pop Warner.) Not spending any money on a vet QB means we have some $ to draft a QB. So even if we keep DG, the draft pick, and MS and cut McElroy, which I’d rather not do, next yr MS is gone and the new guy learns from DG. Good riddance!

  4. By IRA on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    No surprise not much out there until Fitzpatrick and Kolb gets cut and I wouldn’t rule out either but realistically they do not have the money to put into those guys unless something changes. I would not be surprised if Garrard beats out Sanchez this summer.
    As for Holmes if he does not want to take a pay cut then I would either try to trade him to the Vikings or cut him. The right thing to do is try and help this team clear some cap space. If they cut him after he would sign with another team I read they could save maybe 1.25 mill towards the cap.

  5. By GaryC on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    A Brunell reincarnation,whopee,I hope this does not prevent McElroy from getting his reps.

  6. By IRA on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    What did I tell you guys the Jets do not like to spend on ST players and they will not tender Purdum and would rather go with Tripucka for less money. Not sure what Purdum can get in the open market put he was perfect so why not give him a deal for a little under 1 mill and sign him. Also don’t be surprised if Folk is kicking in Met Life but in a Giant uniform. The Jets will not pay 1.5 or more for a kicker and I think he can get that or better.
    It’s going to become very interesting to see who else they get to restructure and help the team.
    Not concerned with MM’s comments today about Sanchez sure he has a leg up he has already started to learn the new system. Once camp starts I want to see how he handles the competition from Garrard or any

  7. By IRA on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    QB they bring in. I think Avery would be a good WR to look at if something happens with Holmes.
    SF can say what ever they want now but after the Harvin deal to the Hawks SF now needs Revis to cover the WR’s the Hawks have.
    Just hope by draft day Revis brings us some picks. We will never get anywhere near the true value for him but if its reasonable its better than having him play this year and lose him to another team and get nothing in return.
    Man it’s been many years since the Jets have so many issues. They are sure going through a face lift right now and let’s hope they have a great draft.
    GO JETS !!!!

  8. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Tries to Be Classy on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    More factors indicating a Revis trade and a QB pick: (1) As Arte and I were saying today, no way Garrard got more than 1 yr/$1.2 mil (2) Woody saying he’ll talk about DR next wk, of course (3) SF getting Boldin and SEA getting Harvin, which takes care of their WR issues and frees them up to trade picks for D players (4) MM refusing to name Sanchez as the starter — saying he’s got “a little bit of a leg up” to be the starter is the most damning with faint praise “Mark’s” ever gotten as a Jet. The guy started for 4 yrs without barely sitting out a play, so if he DOESN’T have “a leg up” on starting again, it’s like saying you’re ready to dump him, which we are. Garrard will not butt-fumble, throw into 4 guys, or do anything as absurd as that.

  9. By Byrdman on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    Welcome back to New Jersey David. You will win the QB competition and start in September. Congratulations in advance!
    The opening week depth chart will be #1 Garrard #2 Sanchez #3 (draft pick)
    I predict you’ll play well and Jet Nation will embrace you as the new Vinny Testaverde. Dave you’ve always been a decent runner but in the last several years you’ve lost a couple steps, as a result I’m predicting you’ll get knocked out in week five (hope I’m wrong) and guess who finishes the game?
    Old number 6 throws 5 int’s and looks for a place to hide under the bench! Jets play out the rest of the season with the rookie
    s-t-r-u-g-l-i-n-g hard to adjust to NFL game speed.
    Jets go 3-13, Dave Garrard retires!

  10. By Ron on Mar 11, 2013 | Reply

    Not sure about this signing. Hope it works out well for the Jets but was hoping for more help at QB/offense as we really need to get some firepower on offense.

  11. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Tries to Be Classy on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    NEWS and POST both say Jets have a deal for Revis that satisfies both sides. As Mehta, who’s uncharacteristically leading on this story, say,s if folks believe Revis is healthy, trading him now is better than right before the draft, when his value will go down. I gotta think it’s either SF, SEA, PHI, or ATL, all teams that are pretty set on O but could use more D and can afford to pay for it. Best of all, while I’m as down on Woody as anyone over NJ, this stadium, Mr T, Rex, “Mark,” and more, by keeping his mouth shut — perhaps something Idzik is teaching everyone at Florham Park how to do — he’s finally getting it right. Revis will be quickly forgotten even if his team wins a SB because we Jet fans know we need A LOT more than 1 guy.

  12. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Getting Intrigued on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    One more thing about Rex and grooming players, scjoe — the HC is supposed to HIRE the position coaches and make GOOD selections, not just boast of his “loyalty” to people. Rex does things like fire one of the only good position coaches we had (Ellard, who gave us the only recent and decent yr of WR play) and hire a DB to coach the DL, which may explain why we had zero pass rush for yrs. And of course, when you know nothing about O, you can’t stand up to, improve, or even really interact with the OC, which is how we got Schotty’s Reign of Error. That’s another reason MM’s likely to outlast Rex around here, he’s more likely an Idzik hire.

  13. By Coops on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Hi Randy – hope you are well.

    Very pleased with the Garrard signing. I have always liked his game – he is mobile, smart, a good leader with a strong arm who generally makes good decisions with the ball.

    If fully healthy and back to his old self, he has the talent and experience to win the starting job, in my opinion.

    Definitely the best option out there as a FA, with a good blend of talent, leadership and experience.

  14. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    So let me get this straight, we just picked up Garrard a 35 year old QB who’s been average at best in his illustrious career which is rapidly coming to it’s end, wasn’t he Mark Brunnell’s backup. this has the feel of just more of the same nonsense..I’d feel better if we gave G-mac plus guy’s already here the competition role and used our Dollars more wisely. But that’s just me. That said, admittedly, I rather him under center than MS, problem is not that guy to get us a prominent role in the League

  15. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    “Profootballtalk.com reports the Jets have a “good” trade offer on the table for Darrelle Revis.
    The offer is classified as “good” in terms of compensation for the Jets and the financial terms that would extend to Revis.” I think it is a done deal he will be off the team before the draft. I just hope we get good value for him & that the picks are for this years draft I dont want picks in the 2014 draft I want them now.

  16. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    I like the Garrad signing I think he is a solid player who will give Sanchez some competition for the spot. Matt Moore got paid $4,000,000 per year we just dont have the money to sign someone to a contract like that. For the money that we do have I think this is a good signing BUT I also want the Jets to take a QB in the first 4 rounds of this draft to develope.

  17. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Getting Intrigued on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Mighty interesting quote from Mehta’s article of just a few minutes ago: “I think (the Jets are) going to move Revis,” a source familiar with the situation told the News on Tuesday. “Bet it. If he isn’t traded by tomorrow, (general manager John) Idzik is an idiot. One buyer might dry out. He has to move him. The risk of keeping him kills the franchise for five years and Idzik is gone.”

  18. By JR on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    WHY? Here we go again….same as last year!!

  19. By Paul N on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Damn it! I was hoping this organization had FINALLY figured out that signing “has beens”, “washouts” and “cost effective players” is like throwing cash out of the window! Sadly this just reminds me…Rex is still head coach…and nothing much has changed when it comes to personnel!!

  20. By IRA on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Any knocking the Garrard signing should think twice about it. I think if he can stay healthy is a good option. If he beats out Sanchez which i think he can it finally puts the Sanchez debate to rest and he would hold the fort until they develop a young QB either one from this years draft or next or both.

  21. By SCfromNY on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    For now Stinkchez must be feeling good. Bringing in an old QB who has not played in 2 years and is injury prone should make MS happy especially with little improvement on the OL Garrad will be history soon.

    I have mentioned before that we seem to have lost the love for McElroy. One bad game? I think he will shine in the WC offense where you need to be quick and accurate. Give him a training camp with real reps and I think he will be the starter.

    There is no reason for Holmes or Sanchez to restructure. As SB MVP Pitt got little for Holmes. Boldin just went for only a 6th. Did we even try?

  22. By oasus on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    As usual, it seems Tom64 is the ONLY one making sense here. Most of our fan base is delusional and unreasonable. I’m sorry, but its true. David Garrard is EASILY a much better QB when he’s healthy. Mark my words, if everything goes right, he WILL beat Mark Sanchez.

    Here’s some food for thought: Garrard has less INTs in 9 seasons than Sanchez has total turnovers in TWO seasons. Plus, he’s poised in the pocket, confident, and DOESN’T close his eyes when he’s throwing and about to get hit (http://pic.twitter.com/eM5Q2hW3bH) like Sanchez does(http://pic.twitter.com/nm6pCfRt40).

  23. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Some of you guys sound like you started watching the Jets 2 yrs ago. You think any of this matters? You think either Garrard or Sanchez is the future? You think we’re not gonna draft a QB either this yr or next yr or both? Wake up, folks, the rebuild is on, which is why Woody’s not talking about the Revis trade yet and why the word is out that Holmes could be cut. (And yes, I’d do it too, Ira.) I understand that even in a rebuilding yr you wanna see some good football but nothing could be worse than what you saw last yr, so relax.

  24. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    MJV, it would take about 20 Russell Wilson/Crabtree/Matthews-quality draft picks in this one yr for us to do anything all that soon, so again I say relax. Ira’s got it right on the role that Garrard’s gonna play, if he does well enough — he can hardly do worse than Sanchez, and historically he’s always done better — he’ll be around to help break in the new franchise QB. This is just a way of creating some misdirection while the real QB question is resolved over the next 2 yrs. First we have to unload some overpriced prima donnas and start from scratch at just about every position, as MM pretty much admitted yesterday. This is the change we need, not dreams of going 9-7 and losing in the first playoff game.

  25. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks for the compliment, oasus, and right back at ya, especially re those pics, but I’ll also tip my hat today to Ira, Spicer, and others who are seeing the Garrard move in the proper light.

  26. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Can someone please tell me why Mike Tannebaum is on NFL network giving advice on who should be signed and traded? That’s like Bernie Madoff giving you investment tips! Had to get that one off my chest. DG is just a stop gap player. Someone who I believe will challenge MS for the QB spot. I believe MS won’t be under center anyway he’s probably the most hated sports figure in NY. He knows his days are numbered here..he will probably be a backup in San Diego next year. Looks like Moore is on his way out. So it’s vital the NYJ Draft O-line in the 1st round, TE in 2nd, OLB in 3rd, RB in 4th. And if we come across extra picks with revis trade another O-lineman.

  27. By joe-retired li/fla on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Hi everyone! i just have to say- ’64 tom – with your last sentence-you’re so right!!!

  28. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Some people won’t admit it, but we are totally in the rebuilding mode here. I don’t see this GM making the same errors has Mike T. He’s looks like the kinda guy who will draw a line in the sand and do what’s right for the team. Rex is a lame duck coach anyway that’s why he’s on his best behavior. The writing is on the wall. We will endure another 4-12 season, get more draft picks and in 2014 hopefully draft our franchise QB. As long as I get to see these young guys play and watch their development going up and seeing a bright future as the niners & seahawks have done.

  29. By Ronbo on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Did anybody here really think we could sell our fans on going into another season with Mark(the human t/o machine)
    Sanchez,G.Sackelroy &Little Timmy as our Q.B’s? The way I see it Garrard is an obvious upgrade(short term)so this buys us a little time to groom a young Q.B who may not be quite ready for prime time in Sept.Like him or not Garrard is a true pro who if healthy will not embarras himself or us.Keep in mind,Randy was right when he said Garrard was ahead in the Miami Q.B comp.

  30. By Ronbo on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    cont- The concern with Garrard is his signing certianly mirrows the Knicks signing Marcus Cambey,Kurt Thomas,& Rasheed Wallace.All older players who signed cheap but couldn’t stay healthy?Obviously at 35 Garrard is a medical risk but if we draft a Q.B in the 3rd(E.J.Manuel or 4th Matt Scott or Zack Dysert) rd he might be ready to play by the mid point of next season? Over all I like this signing and agree with Ira that he was probably the best fit considering our cap issues.

  31. By Karan on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    I can understand the Pouha release, need cap space plus he’s 34, Kenrick Ellis will hopefully do a nice job replacing him. Going to miss you man! Thanks for being a great Jet Sione!

  32. By Karan on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    I understand the circumstances but the reality is: Our best corner will be gone very soon and our best run blocker/NT is gone. I blame Revis for the first and Tannenbaum for the latter. Seriously stinks having the team be in this tight-cap situation.

  33. By joe wegelin on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    I am a life long jets fan,and see this team going 3-13 or 4-12 at best.Rex,sanchez,holmes,greene,and keller will be gone if not this year next year for sure.I am cool with that,but they are not making any moves,and i have lost all faith in this team.This organization is a complete joke!

  34. By kw65fan on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t believe this. Thanks Sanchize. I don’t mind Garrard coming in and possibly drafting a QB (hope next year) but now it would be goodbye to Mac and Simms. I know Mac would be a good fit in MM system…not sure about Simms. Thanks T-Bomb for this fine mess. Perfect scenario would be Garrard starting, Mac as 2 and rookie at 3. Sanchize on the practice squad all year and not seeing the light of day. And you know he will not negotiate a new deal. He would want if he did next year to be guaranteed also knowing that he will be cut. Just stuck with him…so pay back is due…Practice Squad so he never see’s the field at Met-Life.

  35. By GaryC on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Didn’t know that Garrard was the elixir to jets problems,like I said a while back when it came to the jets quarterback situation,it was the ABS theory,anyone but sanchez at quarterback would make fans happy.Who really cares if Garrard starts,if he does,we are in more trouble then we think,and if McElroy can’t beat him out I would have overestimated his ability also,no way he should lose out to Garrard.Well if we are talking Johnson and Johnson,this is a band-aid solution.

  36. By GaryC on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    I saw on the previous thread where the jets might go more four-three,in that case depending on additional picks,that could bring back Woerner of Montgomery in the conversation as a jet pick,definite if they secure another first rounder.

  37. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    “Jets released NT Sione Pouha.The move sheds $4.9 million in salary and takes the Jets off the hook for Pouha’s $100,000 workout bonus, as well. It clears $3.8 million in sorely needed cap room. Pouha was an effective run stopper as recently as 2011, but experienced chronic back issues in 2012 and got pushed around on the field. He’s now 34″ I have been saying to cut this guy for weeks & I only thought it would free up $2,500,000 it freed up $3,800,000 according to Menish Metha. That is enough money to sign Laron Landry or Keller either one. Also that may be enough money to sign Braylon & Yerimiha Bell to 1 year deals & Slauson to a short term deal.

  38. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    “The Jets have reportedly told free agent Braylon Edwards that they have interest in re-signing him.
    The Jets need cheap talent, so Edwards is on their radar. Edwards’ market won’t develop until after the first couple waves of signings come and go. Also A source tells the New York Post that the Jets have interest in free agent WR Brandon Gibsonfrom the Rams Source: Brian Costello on Twitter”

  39. By keith on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Who’s running this team PINKY & the BRAIN. If QB Garrard does not beat out Sanchez, can he play defense. I hope we get better draft picks than Minnesota recieved, Revis could cover him with both legs tied together.

  40. By GaryC on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Jetfantom,interesting what Tanny said on the Nfl network,he said that it came down to Kyle Wilson and Javid Best who the jets would select,by the way,are the free agents going to sign with the jets for all the extra endorsements they can get this year,that doesn’t hold water anymore.

  41. By GaryC on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    I might take a shot at Stephen Jackson,do not know the money situation,but a definite upgrade from Greene,and good at catching ball out of the backfield,and he is totally different from Powell and McKnight,maybe he could get less carries with jets and last a lot longer,just saying.

  42. By Stevesc on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    I like many on this blog am tired of some of these beat writers who say just about anything they want, even when it is just a flat out lie. Brian Costello of the Daily News headline says “MORNHINWEG SAYS SANCHEZ STILL STARTER”. How do you get that from MM saying Sanchez has a leg up on the competition? These guys are a joke. I’d rather get my information right here from the likes of Tom64, Ira, Spicer, Ronbo as well as everyone else. And of course Randy and Eric.

  43. By Chicago Bob on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Before you throw Idzik under the bus, at least give him a chance. Tannenbaum left a mess here and this poor guy has a ton of work to do to clean it up and it won’t happen overnight. His hands will be tied this year to a certain degree so don’t look for miracles. He has been with two organizations and watched the proper way on how to rebuild a team – something MT had no clue of. The best QB is going to start, period – Rex knows he is no longer running the show and must prove to Idzik he is worthy of consideration for 2014 and must do it by winning and let the best players play . RR knows if he blows this, he might be done as a HC forever. Idzik is getting rid of a lot of dead wood – this team needs a new attitude along with youth and speed.

  44. By evapors on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Garrard is exactly what the Jets need to succeed. A solid Veteran QB that can teach the game as well as play the game when required. great locker room guy and an even better person. Great decision to bring Garrard in and you will see the benefits very soon.

  45. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    “Santonio Holmes has agreed to restructure his contract” As per Adam Schefter on Twitter. This frees up even more money for the Jets. I wonder what the details are?

  46. By scjoe on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Here’s the thing people, in a perfect world, the Garrard signing would be a real head scratcher, a 36 year old QB who hasn’t even played in 2 years, with injury issues besides. R U kidding me? BUT, it is not a perfect world, we have a team that is so cap strapped, and lacking in so many areas, that you can’t do anything other then take baby steps at least until the cap mess that was left behind by the former GM is somewhat resolved. You can’t even think about big time talents as competition at the QB position right now. On the upside, the QB position was soooo bad before, this may just end up as a major upgrade at a discount price.

  47. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    The Jets were $8 MIL & change under the cap. NFL teams leave $5 MIL to the side to sign there draft picks. That would have put us at $3 MIL & change free money. The Jets cut Pouha today Mensih Metha the Jets beat reporter for the Daily News says that freed up $3.8 MIL. That would put us at around $8 MIL in cap space. Not if but when the Jets cut Tebow that would put us at $9 MIL in cap space. Now with the restructure of Holmes I think the Jets will have at least $10 MIL in cap space & depending on the details of the deal we could have as much as $12 MIL to spend.

  48. By scjoe on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    64, now that is funny! “The HC is “supposed” to hire the coordinators and make “good” selections” Yes, your right, and the QB is “supposed” to make good decisions and lead the team in to the EZ, and score points, and the OLBs are “supposed” to put some resemblance of a pass rush on the opposing QB, and the RBs are “supposed” to get to the outside on occasion, and break a long run every now and then, and the WRs are “supposed” to get at least some kind of separation in their routes, and the O lineman are “supposed” to protect the passer AND open holes for RBs and the safety’s are “supposed” to cover TEs and backs coming out of the backfield too. But what do you do when ALL of those things that are “supposed” to happen don’t happen?

  49. By Karan on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Good work, Holmes has restructered his contract. Revis could be traded to the Buccaneers. I would like to receive a player and a pick, Brent Grimes (he’ll heal from the ACL) or Eric Wright and pick. Thats not so bad. I hear Mike DeVito is hitting the open market. It would be horrible if we end up losing DeVito and Pouha in one offseason. Really hope Mike re-signs.

  50. By Karan on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    My mistake, for some reason, I thought Grimes was with the Bucs. Anyways, back to the original point, I’d settle for a 1st rounder and a second rounder for Revis or a player and a lets say a second round pick.

  51. By Karan on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Leon Washington to be a free agent. He’s 30, but Jets should consider signing him for depth and perhaps even competition. Also hear they are chasing Chase Daniel, back to Brees. That wouldn’t be bad at all, Daniel, Sanchez, Garrad. That would definetly bring some competition to Mark.

  52. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    “Tampa has offered the Jets a 2013 2nd round pick for Revis” I was hoping the Jets would get at least a 1st round pick or a 2nd round pick & at least 1 other pick no lower than the 5th round.

  53. By Karan on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    There sure are a lot of DBs available this offseason.

  54. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    joewegelin, I don’t know how long you’ve been watching this team and I’m sure you’re a good fan. But I suspect you’ve suffered thru so many joke “We’re close!” seasons that you don’t even know what rebuilding is. Well, this it it. Sanchez is done, Revis is a loser, Holmes knows that coming off an injury he won’t even get an offer from anybody and would have to sit out a season, Pouha should never have been signed to a multi-yr deal last yr as I told Ira and others at the time. And Idzik is doing all this to get…DRAFT PICKS, which Mr T didn’t value at all and traded away on non-entities like Tebow. Stop whining and start thinking about the Jet team that’ll have a real QB in 2014 and a real chance to compete in 2015.

  55. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks, joe retired, and good to hear from you again. But I gotta say the line of the day so far is Allan’s about Mr T as the sports media’s answer to Madoff…

  56. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    One thing you do when all those players don’t perform, scjoe, is consider whether you have the right guy coaching them. Karan, as soon as Arte told me over the phone that Leon was getting cut, I said to him, “Watch, Karan and then maybe Ira will say we should re-sign him.” I hate to break it to you but we’re not going after ex-Jet has-beens who never entirely rebounded from injuries. We’re not even going after current Jet has-beens who never entirely rebounded from injuries, as cutting Pouha and restructuring Holmes for 1 yr proves. scjoe, I’ll drop the Rex banter because I’m too ecstatic over the way Idzik is mowing down every second-rate guy that Rex has overrated for yrs. KEEP IT UP, IDZIK!

  57. By Ronbo on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    SPICER, hang in there dude, the 1st offer is never the best offer.This will get interesting.I’v heard speculating on the n.y airwaves that it will come down to a 1& either 4 this season plus a 2 ot 3 next year when it is all said & done.Maybe S.F or another team gets involved and it gets better?Bye the way,I dont get your math?How does 3.78 mill + 3 mill= 8 million?If we cut Tebow=(1mill),say Holmes,Harris & Brick or Mangold restructure we might get to 8 to 12 mill max? Landry & Keller are looking for 5 to 6 mill each?No way we can afford either?

  58. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, I just read a report that said TB is willing to part with a #1 and a #4 this yr for Revis as well as additional picks for next yr, which would be just fine with me! And the other team that’s said to be most interested in Revis is PHI, which also has high trade picks to trade. So either of those scenarios are better than dealing with SF, ATL, GB, DEN, or anyone else whose picks are be relatively low. By the way, I’m all for Wallace signing with MIA, as it’ll remind our sorry franchise that you need elite WRs and a QB who can throw to them to get anywhere in the NFL.

  59. By Stevesc on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Chicago Bob, amen to everything you said!

  60. By Karan on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Ha! Jetfantom 64, I knew you were going to mention me on the Leon W. release. All I’m saying is though maybe he can provide competition, he shouldn’t be a lock on the team. However, he is 30 so you do make a good point. I’ll admit, I didn’t give the best assessment on that.

  61. By scjoe on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    64, your beating that dead horse unmercifully. No, when all those players on the roster do not perform, you get players that do! You don’t change HCs every year or two and expect those underperformers to miraculously begin to perform up to their over inflated salaries. Karen, Leon Washington? At 30? For the veteran minimum maybe,

  62. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    SCJoe, I almost fell out of my chair when I read you “supposed to” post!

  63. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, Bad math on my part. 3.2 MIL free money + 3.8 MIL (Pouha) puts us at $7 MIL. If we cut Tebow that is another $1 MIL 7 + 1 = 8. Holmes has already restructured they were saying it would be a 2 or 3 MIL pay cut. I was saying that depending on the details of the deal I think that will give us another MIL & put us at $9 MIL under the cap.

  64. By Tom Spicer on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, When I was saying that would give us enough money to sign our free agents. I was thinking Laron Landry, Yerimiha Bell, Braylon Edwards & Matt Slauson. Dustin Keller & Brandon Moore I already consider gone!

  65. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    I’d like to See Revis go to San Fan for 1st round pick and their TE, I believe he just became a free agent I forget his name.. I hear you Tom 64, thing is there are to many(( if’s)) in your many comments . I believe in sticking to a scenario and go with it, your all over the spectrum, one day to the next. Here’s my point. Now on one move NEW GM Idzik will be an idiot in your eyes if it doesn’t make the exact move fitting into your plans. Yes I do agree I was one of if not the very 1st calling on a Revis Trade I’m sure you remember. but lets give him some wiggle room to get something done OK my friend

  66. By Dr. Frank on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    As always, I enjoyed everyone’s comments. Getting confused with all the different Tom names, though, LOL! I am now of the opinion that the Jets should just release all of their mediocre talent and clear a bunch of cap room. Then, they should draft very wisely (HA HA). They have at least 7 draft picks this year, plus their youngsters from last year. How about actually drafting players that can start for them this year and fill in with who they drafted last year and sign some Rookie FA’s for low dollars. Lets see if the new regime can actually develop some talent! I think in the 7 picks they have they can draft 2 OG, 1 OT, 1 RB, 1 TE and 1 OLB and 1 safety to fill their immediate needs. Then even get more talent with compensatory pick

  67. By Dr. Frank on Mar 12, 2013 | Reply

    s and whatever draft picks they get for Revis. I would like to see McElroy and Simms battle it out for QB with Garrard and get rid of the other 2 guys. I am so tired of hearing about the players needing to get their money. Younger players are more motivated and have much more to prove. There are also plenty of UFA’s that could fill needs for the time being. We are rebuilding right now and need to find out what we have, so why not let the young kids play??? Especially if it means that by the end of next years draft and free agency period we are climbing up the ladder again, rather than crashing to the bottom. I would gladly chalk up this year as experimental and try to contend next year with a new HC as Rex will be gone by then surely

  68. By GaryC on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Stop the Presses,I agree with JetFanTom,let me pinch myself,I never believe in going back to the same well twice,once a guy leaves your team they are never as good the second time around,Edwards,Washington,Woodhead,even though I like him,you actually think Plastico will be as good with Pittsburgh again,as for Wallace,most guys who leave the Steelers the first time are rarely as good with their new teams.

  69. By GaryC on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    MikeJetVet,who was the first guy to bring up the infamous name of Sean Gilbert who was giving Revis bad advice,who said to trade him to the patriots,basically to siphon off their draft choices,when people said that would be crazy,when people say trading Revis within your division was ridiculous,check those archival threads from long ago.

  70. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Let’s talk specifically, scjoe, Rex has gotten 4 yrs, which is a lot longer than many guys get, and he’s turned the team and the franchise into a despised joke, a punchline around the league. But don’t ask me about his inability to do anything with personnel, ask Idzik, who’s quickly unloading or downsizing everybody Rex has ever bloviated about. Karan, I hear you, I was only partly kidding you but this is also the problem with Jet fans who root for players instead of the team, we’re in no position to worry about competition at KR. Ira, I admire your heart but DeVito was never any big deal, only on the talent-poor Jets could he be considered anything worth talking about. Let’s just draft smartly and abundantly for a yr or 2.

  71. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    MJV, I’m not calling Idzik anything but great for now! But he needs at least this yr and next to even try to build a team given all the overhyped, overpriced deadwood that we have. Now of course, it would be nice to pick the right QB this time but as I’ve been saying, I think we’ll draft a QB both this yr and next yr, and I see that we’re looking at Campbell even though we just got Garrard. It was a full 2 yrs in when I said Rex was looking iffy and by that BAL game in the 3rd yr I knew he wasn’t ever gonna measure up. Sorry if I don’t want to suffer through 7 or 8 yrs with one of the worst HCs in the NFL. And what spectrum? Me and GaryC have been saying it as long as this site has been up: YOU BUILD A DYNASTY THRU THE DRAFT!

  72. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    64tom, I rate Mike T. right up there with Matt Millen…One of the worst GM’s EVER!.. I liked Millen as football player…But as a GM? Well..you saw what he did to the lions before the new GM took over. Samething will happen here. I watched/listened to Mike T. on NFL network and I just couldn’t bare to listen to him give his “EXPERT” opinion. I was like “dude…really?” you left this team in shambles…wrecked our salary cap, gave extensions to players who didn”t deserve it and didn’t give extensions to those who did. Took this franchise back to the Rich Kotie era and took a fairly good kid and made him into a laughing stock and might have destroyed his career in the NFL. And this is his legacy.

  73. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Karan, as much as I like Leon Washington and we could use his veteran leadership, it’s just not in our cards right now. We have to stop getting players that are in the “decline” stage. NYJ has so many needs right now. And if we don’t upgrade the offensive line it doesn’t matter who the QB is or the RB..can’t throw or run without the big boys upfront. The O-line is where you can get a guy who is in his early 30′s and still make an impact i.e (Alan Faneca).

  74. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Tom64 Thank you finally, I’ve said 4 seasons now, built through the draft, stop wasting picks, with your knowledge, Kleckofans and the like, don’t see the logic with Rex i’m trying to make . I’m trying to relate without the animosity, I would very much like to see Rex have his chance with Izik and MM, both proven, capable, football people ( MY POINT) if Rex took our team with I don’t care who’s players they were Mangini’s or Lombari’s remember he did bring in his he got us into 2 AFC Championship.in 2 seasons.#1 defense Lets see if he can repeat that feat with some very capable people running the show. he deserves that chance his record is better then most in that time period like him or not, it’s not a popularity contest

  75. By "Stayloaded" Rick on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    The Jets need to rebuild for the next 2 years, Get rid of the Old and bring in the New. Start fresh,can’t be any worse than last year.give any one a shot against what they have now and see who’s got the ” IT “.Factor.
    Lets Go JETS, Only Time Will Tell

  76. By worrell on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    Hey People You get what you pay for, if this organization is serious about winning then start making moves to improve this team a.s.,a.p we are truly tired of being the laughing stock of the AFC east!!! if you are going to start over then start over with players who want to win not just want a paycheck, put a awesome product on the field, let every man compete and take the best of the best, we are tired of being pushed around in this league!!!!!!!!

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