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Bookkeeping on Jets’ 16 UFAs/RFAs

Posted by Randy Lange on March 13, 2013 – 8:56 am

Late Tuesday the NFL finally released its official list of available free agents in four different categories for the signing period that began at 4 p.m. While most of you already are aware of this information and a lot more, for those who haven’t heard and in the interest of bookkeeping, here is a summation of what the release reads regarding the Jets:

Restricted Free Agents who received Qualifying Offers from their Prior Clubs and are subject to the First Refusal/Compensation system of the NFL CBA

T Austin Howard, Round 2

TE Jeff Cumberland, right of first refusal

The Round 2 designation for Howard is the pick a new club, if it were to sign Howard to an offer sheet, must send to the Jets, its own choice or a better choice in the round for the April draft. In Cumberland’s case, there is no compensation for a new club that would like to sign him to an offer sheet but the Jets still retain the right to match the offer and retain Cumberland. Offer sheets may be submitted up until Friday, April 19, one second before midnight.

Unrestricted Free Agents with four or more accrued seasons

S Yeremiah Bell

DT Mike DeVito

WR Braylon Edwards

K Nick Folk

RB Shonn Greene

RB Lex Hilliard

TE Dustin Keller

S LaRon Landry

G Brandon Moore

WR Chaz Schilens

G Matt Slauson

LB Bryan Thomas

Players with fewer than four accrued seasons who received no Qualifying Offer or minimum tender from their Prior Clubs

TE Dedrick Epps

LS Tanner Purdum

The fourth category is players who have been designated Franchise Players, but the Jets did not so designate anyone.

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88 Responses to “Bookkeeping on Jets’ 16 UFAs/RFAs”

  1. By Jack on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    I got a feeling Jets are going to come out being loser in free agents and they are not going to be able to trades Darrelle Revis.

  2. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Almost everybody mentioned above could go and it wouldn’t mean a damn thing, we’d be better off drafting younger, cheaper, faster players at all those positions. And that includes Folk, who has a weird habit of missing a few big kicks every season. Also, you heard it here first: DeVito is the New Pouha. Okay, he’s marginally better and younger but not by much, as one guy wrote on the ESPN site, “Good, another fat, slow, overpaid DL gone.” I won’t say it that coldly but I’ll say that I wouldn’t have offered him more than about $4 mil for 2 yrs. and I’ll be shocked if he’s much of a factor in more time than that. P.S. A no-brainer prediction: We’re gonna go after Heyward-Bey and might get him for cheap $, which would be okay with me.

  3. By Karan on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    I like Idzik’s moves so far. He’s now restructured Cromarties contract. Even though it gets pushed back a year, its still something for this season. We are now about $16 mill under the cap. Hopefully we can re-structure the contracts of Sanchez and Harris and release Tebow, perhaps then we can be $20 under the cap. I’m disappointed we lost DeVito but if we can re-sign guys like LaRon Landry before its too late, and it is getting late because he has multiple visits set up, it would be great.

  4. By Karan on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    The Dolphins are also making a splash this offseason. Dustin Keller could join their team. Thats Ellerbe, Wallace and Keller signed in 2 days. Wow. Hopefully we can re-sign Keller simply because the tight end market is running out. Most likely, he’s a goner.

  5. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Idzik is playing it smart by testing the market on who will give up draft picks for some of the above mentioned players.

  6. By since shea on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    What will we get for Revis in a trade? How much is his salary this year to play for us? How much less do we have to pay for his replacement should we trade him? Do we give Revis away like the Ravens gave Boldin away? Only to pay Revis’s replacement the same amount? If he plays for us even part of the year, and plays well, how much more can we get for him? Let the other teams be desperate for his services and not us be the desperate ones to cut him loose. If we dont get real value for him now, I say keep him at least until the trading deadline. He cannot hold out and wont have mysterious hammy injuries because he needs to show the world that he is still the greatest!

  7. By Karan on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    If we lose Landry and it looks like we will, Louis Delmas or Bernard Pollard could possibly be replacements. Goldson looks like he will be either a Buccaneer and Eagle. Personally, I hope we get Landry back. But at the end of the day, money will lure the free agents and you can’t competely blame them, they have a livelihood and take of their own. It wasn’t like completly though in the past, some guys stick to their teams. For example, I;m surprised to see Baltimore lose both Ellerbe and Kruger to free agency. They also lose Pollard and Boldin. We’ve lost good players too, Pouha, DeVito, Keller and Landry are most likely out and next is Revis, THE best player on the roster. Shonn Greene, I don’t mind at all leaving, good riddance.

  8. By kw65fan on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Ravens just released Pollard…SIGN HIM. he’s young and hits harder then Landry. Can’t believe how Ravens dismantled there team…guess too much money given to Flacco. Ozzie will find the replacements for sure..very smart GM.
    Can’t believe all the DB’s out there especially safeties. Should get one on the cheap…like Pollard or Landry…prefer Pollard as you can see. Agree with you Tom64…let the others over pay for FA’s like DeVito…way too much money for sure..but happy he is at KC instead of the Pats who probably saw also price was to high.

  9. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Jack, I do not believe we will be losers in getting anyone in “free agency”. What we can be is winners in the “draft”. Defensively and Offensively there are some very good young players in April’s Draft and some of the players will be available in the later rounds. You could be right about not being able to trade Revis, but the next few weeks will tell if he goes or stays. I am keeping my fingers crossed on getting “JARVIS JONES” as the #9 pick, we need an OLB with his ability. From there I see Offensive players such as Terron Armstead OT, Zac Ertz TE, Menelik Wilson OT, Jonathan Cooper OG, Larry Warford OG and Cornelius Carridine DE being available in the later rounds.
    KAREN… on how Erdiz is restructuring contraqcts to increase

  10. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    spending is great. YES, we have to get rid of TT one way or the other. MS based on his performance last year should come forward and say; “I WILL TAKE A SALARY CUT THIS YEAR”, but that is not going to happen as for Keller, I could care less as to where he goes as long as we build with the draft. Let the other teams pick all the slow and old guys.

  11. By kk on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Folks, have you noticed the silence in regards to Revis today? Me thinks a deal is getting done somewhere with his agents. My guess is we’ll be hearing something in the next 24 48 hours. Just a gut feeling.

  12. By kleckofan on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    KK- agree the deal is close (Bucs).
    JFFrank64- well said.
    Why all the Keller love? His claim to fame is that he is Sanchez’s security blanket, so what? He’s not fast and not big, does not block well…a real keeper.
    The new TE in the NFL is fast and large. That leads me to my next question: why all the concern about signing Landry? Yes, I like him and he had a good year, everyone loves a big hitter, but the days of Ronnie Lott are over. Between the new TE model and the “defenseless receive”r, no hitting rules, a safety must also be fast, able to cover and tall. Get over it.

  13. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    The DOLPHINS are making a big splash in free agency, could end up giving NE a run for there money. DOLPHINS have plenty of money to play with. Just goes to show how Tan destroyed the JETS by wasting a lot of money on no playing free agents that left us strapped for money. We just dont have the money to sign someone like POLLARD, be nice if we did. Revis is in Paris enjoying the situation of where he will end up…

  14. By scjoe on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    A couple of questions and a couple of comments to the core group here that advocate “building through the draft” It’s a great term, really has a nice ring to it, and in a perfect world it may even work. We don’t live in a perfect world! You have a 53 man roster, you get, on average 7 draft picks a year, those picks on average receive 4 year contracts, do the math. Imagine, just imagine ANY team building entirely through the draft. It NEVER happened and it NEVER will! Why? Because it is mathematically impossible. Sure, some teams use free agency less then others and actually succeed (Pit) some use it more then others and still succeed (NE) and everything in between.

  15. By scjoe on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    For those of you so hell bent against signing other teams “rejects” I advise you to keep a very close eye on the Miami Dolphins this season. That shouldn’t be to difficult being in the same division as the NYJ. Lets just wait and see how those other teams “rejects” work out for them. Lets just see who will have the dubious task of covering Mike Wallace when Revis is gone. But not to worry, we will be “building through the draft” and 6 years from now (assuming that every draft pick makes the roster and becomes a starter) we will have a nice competitive team. Maybe relocate it to Fantasyland.

  16. By Byrdman on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Miami is loading up this year – that’s Good! Hopefully Buffalo will leapfrog over us this season too.

    We’ll need to finish last in this division to increase our odds of getting the premier player on the board in each round, before our division rivals do in 2014

    Jets are looking at RB Mike Goodson – No thanks, lets draft our next Curtis Martin, not go garbage picking. AGREE ?

    Lions signed Reggie Bush – good move, they need another weapon for Stafford.
    Rex has to be relieved – Bush gave our Defense problems.

    Cromartie can’t be happy about having to cover Wallace twice a year now – ESPN keeps showing that Big Ben TD pass where Cro over-ran the play and Wallace scored – that play was a the first Stake in the Heart of last season !

  17. By Ronbo on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    SPICER,Hard to believe Pollard was cut by the Ravens? He would be the perfect replacement for Landy.If what I read is correct he was only due about 3 million? As Landry is looking for 6 million I say we go after Pollard as he is comparable in talen and cheaper.If we can save the 3 million that gives us a shot at a guard and D.T in free agency.KARAN, no matter who we loose in F/A

  18. By kleckofan on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe- what did you take a bitter pill today? I think all us “core guys” are saying is we’re tired of trading away picks for players that are either near the end of their career (Favre, LT etc) or don’t fit what we’re doing (Tebow). Obviously, teams mix rooks w vets.
    The argument is really kind of moot (FYI it’s not mute) this yr anyway since we don’t have oodles of cash to spend. Lets take our seven picks and whatever we get for #24 and build on it.
    BTW, you are part of the “core group”, lighten up, breathe.

  19. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    There’s a crowd around florham park…we are waiting..the world is watching..no smoke from the tower yet…wait ..there’s a puff of white smoke, could it be?…YES..it’s finally done..Mark Sanchez’s contract went up in smoke..and we will have a NEW franchise QB..He will know how to make reads..will not throw into triple coverage..and will have enough vision to avoid the rear ends of his lineman.

  20. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    The big difference between us and MIA, scjoe, is they have a QB for the future they believe in, we don’t. And I suppose you think Wallace would be thrilled to play catch with “Mark”? Go ahead, wear out your frustration over the rebuilding that we should be known for doing. It’s your right to do so but if you wanna live on the edge of Wild Card status knowing all the time that your team isn’t big, fast, smart, or high-scoring enough to really compete at a high level, go right ahead. I’ll take what Idzik is doing any day of the week, and I don’t really care if we win a single game next yr. Wake me up when we have an elite QB and a HC who knows what he’s doing on all sides of the ball.

  21. By since shea on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    joe, not sure what you refer to as “rejects”. Free agents like Wallace? Boldin? Reggie Bush? Nobody I see here refers to that calibre of player as reject. The Goolson RB from Oakland we are reportedly looking at? And the many others that we had here for awhile with Mr T. You can name those “experiments” better than most. Those are the rejects that we dont need. Want to sign a FA? Then sign a GOOD ONE! And augment through intelligent drafting.

  22. By jetpete on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Shonn Greene has been signed by tennessee. Blowing up this team was obvious as we will work on a new Mantra,That is the New York Jets.We will finally be able to move on from what a circus this team once was. Lets get this right! Great job and keep on keeping on Idzik! Go JETS!!

  23. By kleckofan on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Allan- Thanks for the Pope comparison and the constant humor on here; one thing I can say (as a recovering Catholic) neither Mark Sanchez nor the Pope is infallible. The comparison ends there. The new Pope has better pocket presence and throws a better long ball!

  24. By GaryC on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    When we see running backs gaining huge chunks of yardage created by WARMACK,when we see our new tightend ERTZ catching seem routes 20 yards down the field,and we see a great hitting safety who can also cover like ELAM, and have a speed linebacker like ARTHUR BROWN actually running down a back,this free agency period will seem like a distant memory.

  25. By kleckofan on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Wes Welker to the Broncos. That’s one “human gnat” I’m glad to see out of our division!

  26. By scjoe on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    64, kleckofan, shea, All I am trying to say is that big, strong, fast, elite, and franchise come in many different flavors. Where is it written that they come exclusively through the draft? Shea, I agree, guys like Wallace, Bush, Long, are far from “rejects” That is my point. I used that term to describe how some here describe ALL potential FAs. Look at how the NYJ last few drafts have turned out. Now ask yourself, how is THAT for “building through the draft?” They would have had better luck signing the other teams “rejects” Agree? To me, winning is the bottom line, I don’t care how the talent to win is assembled, as long as it is assembled. Fair enough?

  27. By Ronbo on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.JOE, come on Bro,we know you cant build a team only thru the draft.You are right, the math just doesn’t work. The thing is, we cant bring in a bunch of over priced mercenaries just to sell PSL’s for Woody.From early observation I would say the I-man seems to be doing a good job.Somtimes doing nothing is better than doing somthing stupid?I think we’ve all had enough of the Ladanien Thomlison’s & Brett Farv fiaso’s we need to see.How about we follow the model teams like Pitts,S.F and Seattle have laid out?Mix & match as needed!

  28. By scjoe on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    64, yes, Miami has there “QB of the future” whether he becomes one of the “elite” or not remains to be seen. But that QB of the future could just as easily come via free agency as through the draft, OK, maybe not this particular year, but in any given year.Keep an open mind bro.

  29. By Paul N on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Please Idjik, stay away from free agents that are older then 30 or are cost efficient!! We’ve had enough of both! Ace the draft, get younger and develop some talent! The Jets need to build a franchise, not re -build one!

  30. By CJF on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Looks like Kevin Kolb will be leaving Arizona very soon. What does everyone think about us signing him to compete with Garrard and Sanchez? Also I think we need to re sign Braylon Edwards and Moore but it looks like the Jets rather keep Slauson instead of Moore. This upcoming season is going to be a horrible one. 1996 anyone?

  31. By MIKE on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Idzik is really putting his stamp on this team right now. I do agree all those players released or not resigned didn’t deserve to come back other than Bell and Landry. There was a serious lack of depth on this team. Too much money tied up in starters. Two months ago I would’ve never thought that the Jets would be this far under the cap. At least if they decide to keep Revis they have the money to do so.

  32. By No More PSL For Me on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    I cant believe that the PSL holders have not issued a class action law suit against the NY Jets. The team has sold the PSL’s to the fans under the false pretense that the license will increase in value and can be re-sold for a profit. This is NOT possible when the team refuses to pt a deliverable team on the field. The Jets are telling the fan base that they will NOT COMPETE this year, however, if you dont buy your season tickets, you lose your PSL with NO REFUND.

  33. By "Stayloaded" Rick on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    I agree with you, JFS64Tom,
    Start Fresh, QB with and arm and knows how to read Defenses, RB who knows how to run N S E W and catches the ball,WR’s with hands and speed that Kills, OL that can Protect their QB and open holes,.And most of all a Defense that can mow down the best of Offenses and get to their QB’s.
    And if Rex, Can’t Get it Done, He goes too!!
    To The Future, Somethings Gonna Change

  34. By "Stayloaded" Rick on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Oh yea,

    Don’t forget a “BIG” TE who can catch and run

  35. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Hilarious about the papal contract burning of Sanchez’s ludicrous deal, Allan, if only it were so. jetpete, nice to see somebody assessing the mediocre players that we’re losing for what they are, not what we dreamed they could be. For my part, I think Greene definitely lost a step after that first yr, it may be that for all his “running over guys,” as Rex would say, he’s not that durable. since shea, thanks for making the same pt I was trying to make to scjoe and others, mainly that the really good FA’s have no desire to be Jets. NO ONE would like to see Wallace in Green and White more than me…but first I’d have to see a QB worth a damn in the same colors…

  36. By rexracerx on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    So far so good, with the Jets. The team really had no choice but to dismantle. Idzik is biding his time, waiting for some vets to be released, and watching for bagains. It is the only sensible strategy, really… And we can still land contributors.

    I like the guys who are coming in for visits. Antwan Barnes can be the situational rush LB that we’ve been looking for the last few years… Goodson has pretty good speed and is a decent receiver out of the backfield… If Gibson doesn’t ask for too much money, he could be the smart, veteran #2 to work in with Hill.

    And Garrard was the perfect QB pickup for the Jets. He’s better than Sanchez, experienced in WCO, and costs nothing.

  37. By Rickie New York on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Seriously…. “but you just have to let it kind of take its form and let it play out and see what you’re able to do as the pieces start to fall into place, and hopefully you’re able to retain some of your guys.” – dont you mean you sit back and do nothing and try to wait for the pieces of ‘scraps’ to fall into place when the other teams are done feasting. Keep our guys? I dont care about green or slauson, but Devito, Laron, Bell,Pouha, Moore, Keller – all GONE! The guy whos driveway REX SHOULDVE BEEN IN tue – L DELMAS – playmaker safety whos affordable coming off down yr, PERFECT fit for REX’s D! We are letting him get AWAY! WAKE UP JETS! DELMAS, B POLLARD, S PHILLIPS, F DAVIS, A WILSON (ss), but most of all SIGN DELMAS NOW PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

  38. By Rickie New York on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    KARAN – I agree DELMAS should be their top target. Being that Delmas is a FS, and Pollard is a SS we could, and SHOULD, sign both. Dont hold your breath as they seem intent on doing NOTHING worth while at all. If we missed on Pollard Adrian Wilson from the cards would be a good fall back. OLB S PHILLIPS from SD would be another perfect fit we really NEED to rush the passer. Talib or Sean Smith would make sense IF we trade Revis. K Smith as a 3rd down back that can CATCH. J Trueblood for a OT. E Winston and Osi probably want too much money. C Woodson maybe. There are alot of good players. Agree with ‘since 64 frank’ on Jarvis Jones 200%. There are alot of players we NEED – lets see if we even get 1. SIGN DELMAS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  39. By GaryC on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe,the word is CORE,that is what you are drafting to be successful,When the free agents are gone,they are no longer the CORE of your team,if you think Wallace will be as successful with the Dolphins as he was with the Steelers,it is not happening,why did the steelers sign Antonio Brown, a college free agent over Wallace,steelers usually know what their doing.Scjoe,Look at history,when was the last time a group of free agents made up the CORE of a super bowl team.

  40. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    So you’re telling me Alex Smith or Kevin Kolb is the new Favre, scjoe? Please, just FOR ONE SINGLE TIME, wouldn’t you like to see the Jets pick a franchise QB, groom him, and get it right? I know, you can’t believe it’ll ever happen because it hasn’t since O’Brien at best, with Chad okay but not stellar. I believe it was Eric Berne who wrote that fascists can’t give birth to children, create art, or bring about positive changes in their societies because they’re wedded to the past in an extreme and unhealthy way. I’m not saying you or any other Jet fans are fascists, but I’ll say that any Jet fan who isn’t ecstatic to watch a new GM take charge with absolutely no concern for “Rex,” “Mark,” or any of our other losers is a loser himself!

  41. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Stayloaded, it’s sad to see, but it’s clear that some Jet fans have been told how great this shoddy franchise is for so long by charlatans like Mr T and Rex that they can’t bring themselves to see the team for what it is — an overpaid, underperforming joke with maybe 5-10 players who have enough left in the tank on which to build a new, high-performing team. The idea that some people could get bent out of shape over our “failure” to go after so-so vets like Delmas is simply bizarre. Then again, for 4 yrs Rex has pretended that mediocre vets like Leonhard, Landry, and Bell are the answers at S, a position that Rex, the D genius, doesn’t seem to understand no matter how many Gronks and Celeks run wild on us. “Rex is a goner,” AMEN!

  42. By scjoe on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, c’mon man. When have you ever seen me advocate signing any of the over paid over the hill FAs. Like LT, Favre, J. Taylor etc? You never have and never will. That is not the argument I have been making and you know that. Some here contend that they just don’t like the idea of giving away draft picks for those type players, I agree, but the reality of the situation is they “gave away” more draft picks in the draft (Sanchez, Keller, Greene, S. Hill) then you can ever dream of for those over the hill types.

  43. By kk on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Yup you’re right us psl holders are getting the very short end of this. This team will be horrible at least the next two to three years, yet we’re stuck paying for overpriced seats and preseason tickets which is akin to opening your car window on the highway and throwing six hundred bucks out the window. To me they are not meeting their obligation and should be brought to task. But that won’t happen. All I know is I’d rather walk away with what I owe then pay another $2,700 where you can’t resell your seats and watch what they’ll put on the field. Its a shame but sometimes you have to cut your losses. Btw been a ticketholder since ’74

  44. By scjoe on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    64, seems as though we have been disagreeing on quite a few things recently, here is another. You say that NO top tier FA (Wallace, Bush, Welker etc) would ever dream of signing with the NYJ. I say WRONG!! I can almost guarantee that if you show them the money they will come! You know how today’s athlete thinks as well as I do. There is no loyalty, and although you may hear a few talk about “playing for a contender” well, if the bottom dwellers offered them more money then the contender,(Avril to Det.) that is where they will go. Maybe not 100% of them, but easily 90%

  45. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Kleckofan/64Tom..Man we gotta have a sense of humor here because it’s going to be a brutal 2013 season. But, that’s fine with me. Lots of teams had to do it..Dallas.Seattle..49ers and even the Pats. All had to do it. I’m just gonna sit back this year and look at these young kids play..see who’s got “it” and who doesn’t. Maybe go 1-15 or 2-14 get the #1 pick in 2014 and draft that QB who can take us to the promised land. One day I hope to hold that same sign at Metlife as did my fellow Ranger fan once did in 94’…”Now I can die in peace”..

  46. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    I am sorta “LOL” with the statements you can not rebuild with the draft. Tell that to the 40ers, Indie and Houston. All three rebuilt with the draft and were all contenders this past season. The heavy underdog American Football League (AFL) champion New York Jets defeated the National Football League (NFL) champion Baltimore Colts by a score of 16–7. This was the first Super Bowl victory for the AFL and the JETS did it with the draft by building a team around “NAMATH”. In 1972 the JETS started signing free agents and became losers ever since. The only exception “CURTIS MARTIN”. I could name a couple of other good free agents the “JETS” went after but they were far and in between. I see so much talk in here about this years “FREE AGENCY”

  47. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    (CONTINUED) And who we should sign. If MR. TAN didn’t waste so much money on bringing in rejects we might have had the money to get a couple of good “FREE AGENTS”. So where does that leave us, it leaves us to rebuild with the “DRAFT”. I forgot what rounds we get 4 complimentary draft picks, but you can well believe IDZIK is already looking at those additional 8 picks in the later rounds. As for the 7 picks prior to that we may have IDZIK will use them right. If you noticed the free agency market has been nul for the JETS because of the salary cap….

  48. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    FA. time has come and basically gone, so far we lost Green, Landry, Pouha. Pace, Scott, probably Keller, losing Devito is going to hurt .. I understand why Sanchez has to be here. Wilson has absolutely no trade value, sadly these two should be 1st on that list TYVM Mike-T.. Now I ask what is the state of this team. Way I believe it looks at the moment QB– F-minus RB– –TE–F– Receivers D-minus O-line D-Minus D-line–D– Back end– D any one have a theory on why Idzik hasn’t made any moves yet. I know most will say cap is the reason, and i’d agree, partially right I also believe given our situation he’s looking else ware like Canadian League for players to break back into or get into NFL, not to mention value as a motive

  49. By scjoe on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, it is hard for me to believe you are actually reading my posts when you seem to believe that “I” scjoe, EVER made a statement like “the core of a team has to come via free agency” I think you know full and well what my position is on bringing in free agents, it hasn’t changed. Further, to make a statement like “Wallace will never be, in Miami, the threat he was in Pitt” is quite frankly absurd! How do you know that? Are you basing it simply on what other FAs have done in the past? Do you feel the same for Welker in Denver, with that “other” FA QB they have? I think all of these questions will be answered after the 2013 season, not now.

  50. By scjoe on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    64, NO! I am not telling you that Kolb or Alex Smith are going to be the next Brett Favre. What made you ask? Go back and read one of my last posts, what it said is you CAN get that “franchise” QB in free agency, in any given year, “MAYBE NOT THIS PARTICULAR YEAR” but of course you can, N.O. did, Denver did. And please, don’t tell me that those 2 QBs were drafted AND groomed by someone else, I already know that, ALL FAs are, that is not the point. No matter how you dissect it they-were-both-free- agents! One led his team to a SB win (which it is all about) the other led his team to the best record in the AFC his 1st year. Do actual facts and actual events mean anything to you? I’m talking about reality, you are talking about fantasy.

  51. By GaryC on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe,when was the last time Pittsburgh let a guy go and it came back to bite them,maybe Kevin Greene.As for you saying CORE OF THE TEAM VIA FREE AGENCY,that I never said,let me say it this way,free agency is a way for teams to build who do not know how to do it right,by drafting.

  52. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Shocked at the Squeamishness on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, you keep talking like we don’t have a new GM and like it’s impossible that the Jets could ever draft well. Why don’t you just go all the way and say that the Jets are cursed and will never be any good no matter who runs or plays for them and stop paying attention entirely? As for FA’s who’ll come for $ even if a team’s not great, sure, but the team that became famous for the Butt Fumble is so far from great it’s laughable. Or I guess you haven’t seen any of those posts on other sites about how the Jets would finish last in the SEC or the CFL? Great pt about the shift to FA’s in ’72, 64Frank, that’s what I mean about how we only got it really right once with the draft by way of the SB winning team. Time to do it again.

  53. By scjoe on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    64 Frank. I can only speak for myself, but I can say that I have never made the (lol) statement that “you can’t build through the draft” matter of fact I don’t recall anyone on this site ever making that statement. What I DID say, and what I still stand by, is that the draft is only one of the tools and resources available to build a competitive roster. That is not an opinion, it is a fact. EVERY team, EVERY year uses all of those resources available, including free agency, trade, undrafted FAs, UFAs Yes, some may use free agency more then others, it don’t really matter. All that matters is that you assemble the talent necessary to build a winner.

  54. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    SCJOE this is one year we can forget about free agents. What I am saying which I do agree with, you need money to bring (not a reject like Mr. Tan has done in the past) in quality free agents which the JETS do not have the money for. So this year is a draft year and I truly feel Idzik has players in mind to bring in, he is smart. As for a QB this year, I do not believe we will draft one this year like some are saying, makes more sense to build an offense and a defense this year. Next year we probably will go for a QB. Like RONBO and 64TOM and you have said in previous posts this year is a rebuilding year, please let us get “JARVIS JONES”. As for REVIS I have a feeling he is gonna stay…

  55. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Shocked at the Squeamishness on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    That’s right, scjoe, the draft is one of the tools — the most important one. That ESPN post that I sent you the third part of talked about clearing cap space, drafting well, and then augmenting with FA’s, in that order. We’re about 35 players away from being able to augment with FA’s and seriously think we’re gonna be competitive.

  56. By scjoe on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    64, you do realize that using your logic (35 players away to be competitive) and combining that with where you stand on free agency, that it would take at least another 5 years (5 years x 7 picks) to become competitive, presuming “most” of those picks pan out, and that the first years drafted players don’t bolt. Sorry, not good enough! In fact, more then not good enough, it is borderline impossible.

  57. By scjoe on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    64 Frank. Strongly disagree with the statement that “this is a year we can forget about free agents” Reason being, it is simple math and simple logic. The NYJ will lose anywhere between 12-20 players from the 2012 roster, either through free agency or cuts, how do you maintain a 53 man roster with the remaining players under contract and the draft alone? Mathematically and logically impossible. Listen, believe it or not, agree with it or not, like it or not, there WILL be free agent signings, period! There has to be.

  58. By russ on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Running back Goodson will find being tackled in backfield a common experience, especially if he is waiting for Slauson to open a hole…

  59. By scjoe on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, I have said this before, and I don’t mean it in a disrespectful way, but you just can not make assumptions on any given professional player, in any sport, in any given season based simply upon what “other” players that happen to be on that same team, have done in previous years, there is just no logic in that. I distinctly remember the Fla Marlins “buying” a world championship, then, for what ever reason, disassembling the roster not to long after. I am not in favor of going that route, but the point is, it can be done “on occasion” not always, we know that, but on occasion. Free agency is a resource, if you don’t take advantage of it (sensibly of course) someone else will.

  60. By scjoe on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    64, tell me, exactly how am I “talking like the NYJ will NEVER draft well?” What have I said that gave you that impression? I don’t have a crystal ball, none of us do. I can only “hope” that the drafting under this new GM is light years ahead of his predecessor. I can’t say for sure that it will be, no one can. Again, I have said this since the day he got the job, it will take a few years to evaluate what he brings to the table. Any comments I make re: the draft are directly related to what I have seen to date, not what “will” happen in the future, because like anyone else, I don’t know. You can say he is a smart guy, and he is doing everything right so far, but he has only been on the job about 30 days now, lets give it more time.

  61. By Ronbo on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, Sorry Bro, I didn’t mean my comments about F/S’s the way you took them. No you never say dumb things like that so my bad. i didn’t make a clearer point.

  62. By Karan on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Very glad with the Mike Goodson and Willie Colon signing. I honestly had a feeling the Jets were going to make a deal with Colon, glad its done. This probably means Brandon Moore is out. Please re-sign Slauson. Goodson has a lot of potential, could be a nice 3 back set with Powell, Goodson and McKnight. The Antonio Garay signing is a good veteran signing. Big guy, mist likely supposed to replace Pouha.

  63. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    SCJoe, we have signed 4 free agents so far. So I guess I was wrong, I like Mike Goodson in the back field as RB, still young and has quick inside and outside moves. Willie Colon as OG could fit right in, as for Chaz Schillins as a WR he is big and quick but he has to stay healthy, Drew Stanton as a QB, I don’t see him backing up Sanches as was stated in the news article, if he backs up anyone it will be Jarrard from what I am hearing we may even get one more player signed before the draft. I will not say these are great moves but they aren’t bad moves. I am still rooting for Jarvis Jones OLB as the #9 pick to me that would be a great move and start at rebuilding then some good offensive linemen. Karan I also like the Antonio Garay

  64. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    (CONTINUED) signing Garay is more of an interior pass rusher but can be pushed around. Who knows maybe RR and the DC see something in him he still has a few years left.

  65. By Bleeds Green and White on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    I want to say is that I’m truly disappointed in the newyorkjets.com site in its coverage of the free agency signings of the NYJ UFAs. Absolutely no word on this site (save for the comments posted here by fans) about Dustin Keller going to Miami, LaRon Landry going to the Colts, Shonn Greene going to the Titans or Mike DeVito going to KC. I can’t even find any of that on the Transactions feed here, but I have no problems finding that news on NFL.com. This site should be the FIRST place I hear about NY Jets news, good or bad, not the last.

  66. By Bleeds Green and White on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t even pretend to know all the salary cap and contract details, so I’m sure there’s financial considerations that have motivated all of these moves. I’m a big fan, but I draw the line at having to put all contract and salary cap numbers into an Excel sheet to see if they make sense. So rather than attempt to give an opinion on whether these moves are good or bad, I’ll give my impression of the impact on the team of these moves.

    First, I’m disappointed in the loss of Dustin Keller, LaRon Landry and Sione Po’uha. All 3 of these guys are very talented at what they do, and filling the holes left behind by each of them is going to be difficult at best. If there was any reasonable way to hang on to these guys, we should’ve tried to find it

  67. By Bleeds Green and White on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Mike DeVito is also a significant loss, but maybe not quite as big as the 3 noted above.

    On the other hand, parting ways with Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, and Shonn Greene makes sense to me. The first two have gotten too old, and Shonn just hasn’t turned out to be the guy we needed and wanted him to be.

    The acquisition of David Garrard at QB also makes sense to me, and it’s probably the best move they could make at QB to have someone as a viable threat at the position this season. He’s got a reasonable TD to INT ratio, especially when you count rushing touchdowns, he’s still mobile, and we were able to get him at a value because of his recent inactivity.

  68. By Bleeds Green and White on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    The rest of the moves, like signing Mauga or Goodson are probably reasonable moves, although I don’t think any of the remainder are going to have as big of an impact on the Jets 2013 season as the rest.

    Returning to the topic of coverage, I’m also disappointed in this site for not having more coverage of the notable signings or losses recently executed by our AFC East rivals. Besides Keller going to the Fins, there’s no mention of Welker going to Denver, or the Pats signing Talib, all of which one might think matters to Jets fans.

  69. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, the Jets are one of the worst-drafting teams in the NFL at present. One could argue they’ve been one of the worst-drafting teams in football since Lee White didn’t work out. Ergo, almost anyone but who we had drafting is an upgrade. At any rate, you have no choice but to build thru the draft. You can add a couple of key players when you’re always close, like NE is always close, but then they have one of the best QBs ever to play the game. I think you largely put your foot in your mouth out of panic over seeing a bunch of overrated but nice-guy Jets unsentimentally let go and now you’re trying to dig yourself out of a hole…kind of like McCain taking back everything he said last week about Rand Paul’s filibuster…

  70. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Karan, for once I’ll agree with you and applaud your calm, reasoned post. There’s nothing wrong with picking up guys like Goodson, Colon, and Garay for cheap in the first of several rebuilding yrs. I also agree that Goodson, Powell, and McKnight could work out in a backfield in which our slowest RB now woulda been one of our fastest RBs last yr. I also agree that Slauson is worth keeping, if only on a 2-yr deal for small money. Nobody seems to be that anxious to pay him any more than that so I’d say we have a chance of keeping him along those lines.

  71. By scjoe on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, don’t mind me, I am just trying to juggle 3 or 4 posters who just don’t seem to understand or grasp where I am coming from re: FAs It seems as if they are putting words in to my mouth that didn’t come from me. If anyone can name a team who has NEVER signed a FA, 1st tier, 2nd tier, or 3rd tier, pre draft or after draft, EVER, I would say they were mistaken. It’s simple math. Now, re: the teams you mentioned way above as “Model” teams, SF, Seattle, Pitt. Well, both Seattle (Avril) and SF (Dorsey) have already jumped on the FA bandwagon. Make no mistake, there is still time for Pitt to follow suit. It is quite simply undeniable.

  72. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    Like I said, scjoe, you can drop the McCain act, you and him seem to be on the exact same track again today. I guess you didn’t see this kind of housecleaning coming — don’t ask me why, considering what a joke this team was since last Thanksgiving. You didn’t stop and think that we’re not going to be competing for the next 2 yrs, so you threw a fit over the loss of all these mediocre players. Now you’re playing catch-up ball by asking us to admit that A-list FA’s on a good team make sense, but nobody’s arguing. NE will pick up a few A-list FA’s because they’re good, we won’t because we’re terrible. I can’t get you to drop this canard but I can suggest you start thinking ahead, like of what QBs we’re gonna draft this yr and next.

  73. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    The signing of placekicker “Nick Folk, Antonio Garay, Willie Colon, RB Mike Goodson and RB Lex Hilliard”.appear to be pretty good moves by “IDZIK”. 64TOM, I also liked KARAN’S post. SCJOE I agree with your most recent post which includes the Steelers probably going to join in on signing a couple of FA’S. But I will tell you what I am most interested in now is the draft which starts next month. As stated in all my posts about the draft. IDZIK please make sure we sign “JARVIS JONES” in the #9 spot unless “JOECKEL, WARMACK or JORDAN”
    are available for the #9 spot, although I doubt they will be available. I still feel the 2nd and 3rd round could be good for us depending on what trades we make without giving up next years draft picks,

  74. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    even the 4th round could be good for the JETS because their will be quality offensive and defensive players left. I am still in shock that TT has not been traded for a later round draft pick. “RONBO”… Is their anyway we can trade a HC for a 1st round draft pick (lol). No word on a “REVIS” trade as of yet. I am starting to wonder if it will even happen. BUT if it should he should be good for a 1st round pick and a couple of later round picks.

  75. By scjoe on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    64Frank, thank you for showing the class you did by saying “I guess I was wrong” re: signing FAs. The fact is there is no right and wrong, teams have to sign FAs every year to fill in their respective rosters. That is all I have been trying to say. For some reason, one I can not comprehend, 64Tom seems to be living and thinking somewhere at the edge of Fantasyland. It is his opinion and his contention that the NYJ should not sign ANY FAs. Ours OR theirs. Well, judging by what the NYJ (and every other team) have already done, his “opinion” is not one shared by any of them, including the NYJ.

  76. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    I just do not see us drafting a QB this year as some are speculating might be done. The only QB that I feel could be a franchise QB is Geno Smith and I fee iany teams grab him it will be either Buffalo or Jacksonville. The only other QB that I like is Mike Glennen of North Caroline State he is 6’7″ and 225 pounds and is mobile. That would give us 4 QB’s on the roster not counting TT. I do see defensive and offensive players being picked up in the draft…

  77. By scjoe on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    64, absolutely correct! The NYJ have been one of the poorest drafting teams in recent times, I know that, and usually when a team drafts poorly they do just as poorly in free agency, they go hand and hand, it can be directly attributed to the FO, thank you Mike Millanbaum! That said, the NYJ are not the only team that has not won a SB since 1969. That distinction goes to at least half the league. Are all of those teams in a “rebuilding” mode too? For how long now? At what point would you say the “rebuilding” is done? When they win a division? When they GET to a SB? When they WIN a SB? When?

  78. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Frank 64, in line with the dialogue between me and Ira on the story ahead of this one about 2014, I think the Jets will take a lower pick in 2013 and a higher one in 2014 for Revis if necessary. That may not be what they originally wanted but it’s a lot better than a compensation pick in 2014. Johnson and Idzik’s tight-lippedness — so uncharacteristic of the Jets during the Mr T/Rex yrs — is the tip-off to this. They don’t seem to be in any hurry to make the wrong move nor do they seem to care what the “If it bleeds, it leads” writers who cover the Jets for the NY papers think. This is much more in line with the way a successful NFL team operates than what we’ve seen since Mr T was named GM and, of course, since Rex was named HC.

  79. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    In this years draft from what I am seeing this is the order the “JETS” will be drafting in: 1st round the 9th pick (overall #9), 2nd we will have the 2nd pick (overall the 39th pick, in the 3rd round we will have the 10th pick (overall the 72nd pick), in the 4th round we will have the 9th pick (overall the 103rd pick), in the 5th round we will have the 8th pick (overall the 134th pick), in the 6th round we will have the 10th pick (overall the 169th pick) and in the 7th round we will have the 9th pick (overall the 200th pick). So we have some eccellent positioning in this years draft to get 7 good players through the draft. This does not include the 8 extra picks we will have in the laters rounds. I forgot what 2 round we get an extra

  80. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    (CONTINUED) 4 picks per round that is 15 players through the draft without a trade. We could also ad a possibe 3 or 4 extra picks if Idzik trades Revis that and Tebow. SCJOE, RONBO, 64TOM with the addition of the FA’s we just obtained I feel we can rebuild this year and be a contender next year… As well as increase our bargaining power money wise for next year.

  81. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    You never stop rebuilding a team, the way I see it once you have a team that wins a divisional championship and a superbowl after rebuilding with the draft you continue to ad depth through the following years draft and keep your team “YOUNG and HEALTHY”. Previous “JET – GM’S and HC’S” did not see it that way they drafted poorly, put us in a position with free agent signings at a high cost per signing which most FA’s were useless MR. TAN was one of these GM’S that cost us dearly and put us in the salary cap we are now in. Idzik and Mike Millanbaum are making the calls and making sure RR keeps his mouth shut. Good moves by both of them….

  82. By scjoe on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    64Frank, at this point everything is opinion and speculation, I know that. That said, I have been following the career of EJ Manuel (QB FSU) I mentioned to Ronbo weeks ago that his stock will rise dramatically following the combine, it has. Here is a guy who has ALL the tools, 4 or 5 weeks ago most had him penciled in as a 4th or 5th round pick, I think he will be off the board before the NYJ pick in the 2nd round. If he is not, I sure hope that is the pick. Again, speculation, but unlike Sanchez, he has all of the tools necessary to succeed.

  83. By scjoe on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    64Frank, I am not aware of the NYJ getting ANY extra picks at this time. Where did you come up with those 8 “extra” picks in the later rounds? I don’t even think they will be awarded any compensatory picks in this draft. Sure, if they make a trade or two or if they trade down they could acquire another few picks, but none of that is written in stone just yet. I would hope that you are right with that, just that I haven’t heard it yet.

  84. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    SCJOE… This morning on NFL AM as well Sports Center Revis was in the news again as a possible trade and once again the team that is interested in Revis is the 49ers. “IF” this trade should take place. SCJOE EJ Manuel could possibly happen but that means the JETS would have to get rid of TT, McElroy, and Matt Simms (who they just signed). That would leave Jarrard and MS if we did obtain Manual I believe he would end up the Statrter. But I am still high on JARVIS JONES as the #9 pick in the 1st round. YES… In previous posts I also stated I liked EJ Manual he could be a franchize player without a doubt and if it happened even Manual needs a couple of big offensive linemen to block and open holes for the running game.

  85. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, 64Frank’s answer says it all for me, perennial contenders like NE, PIT, GB, and once again now SF and NYG are always rebuilding at least in part but not in the Mr T manner of throwing insane amounts of $ at a handful of players, leaving the team about 15 starters short of a good team, and generally showing that you know nothing (“Mark beat Brady, Peyton…”) about the game. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Jets pick Manuel #2 or #3 but if you think he’s up there with Luck you’re out on a limb on that one. I still think you need to figure out why the greatest fire sale on mediocrities in Jet history strikes you as such a disaster. Frankly, it’s about the only thing about this team that’s keeping me interested until Rex and Sanchez are gone.

  86. By Ronbo on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, it’s almost painful reading all this bickering on this post & the one ahead?As you and T-64 are clearly two of the sharpest regulars I’m more than a little surprised it has gotton to this point. As much as I agree with 64( this season will be anywhere from a 3 to 5 win max.)That being said, I goyta take your back when ANYBODY calls you delusional.Of everyone here, you would be the last person I would attach that word to! Now,do I agree with everthing you say,of course not!But no way I use the “D” worf bro.FRANK64,Your doing a great job with your posts bro, but M.Glennon is not remotely mobile! He is tall with a powerful arm,but he is about as mobile as the Statue of Liberty!

  87. By scjoe on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    64, technically speaking, it is NOT a fire sale, all of those players had their contracts expire, some choose to leave for (of course) more money. THAT is the NFL, NBA, and MLB. You reference 64Franks comment about teams “always” rebuilding, well I have been saying that for years now. However, I like to use the term “rebuilding to some extent” What am I missing? Ron, it shouldn’t be “painful” it is just dialogue, we all have our opinions, we all speculate, it’s all good. I think 64 and I respect each others opinions even though we don’t always agree.

  88. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    I can not recall (old age setting in) but it was either on NFL AM or ESPN where it showed the teams that would get complimentary drafts in the later rounds and we can use them. Thanks for the compliments on my posts to all. But I look at reality when it comes to rebuilding a team. Once you have a team that is a contender you continue to ad depth and eliminate the older players with younger players that keeps you as a contender, especially if you can save money and increase the salary cap where you can get a great player through FA’s.. So to me the draft is a rebuilder, cheapest way to go and get quality players and above all put money in the bank……

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