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It’s Official: Sione Po’uha Is Released

Posted by Randy Lange on March 13, 2013 – 5:39 pm

Speculation the past few days was that eight-year veteran nose tackle Sione Po‘uha’s days in green and white were coming to a close. That speculation turned into an official transaction this afternoon as the Jets announced that “Big Bo” had been released.

Po‘uha was the Jets’ third-round selection, 88th overall, of the 2005 draft out of Utah. After a slow first four seasons with the team, including the ’06 season that he spent on IR, his career picked up speed in the middle of the Jets’ defensive front.

He started 50 of the Jets’ 54 games from 2009-11 (including the six playoff games) and put up solid numbers each of those seasons (61 tackles in ’09, 46 tackles; two sacks, 12.5 tackles for loss/no gain, three fumble recoveries in ’10; 55 tackles, sack, one forced fumble, two recoveries and a safety in ’11).

Also during this time he became the elder statesman among the D-linemen and a go-to locker room guy with his thoughtful, sometimes even lyrical comments on himself, his fellow linemen, his defense and his team.

A year ago, Po‘uha could have become an unrestricted free agent but was happy to be able to re-sign with the Jets.

“Every player that approaches the last year of their contract and enters the screen door of free agency, there’s always a possibility,” he said at the time of not re-signing with his only NFL team. “But in my mind I always wanted to stay with the Jets, be with the Jets. Me and my agents, they had an understanding that I always wanted to be with the Jets, and I’m just glad it worked out that way.”

However, last season didn’t play out as planned as Bo, 33, bothered by a balky back from the offseason, sat out the preseason and four regular-season games and averaged only 25 defensive snaps in the 12 games he played. He finished with 38 tackles, a four-year low, and no tackles behind the line for the first time since ’07.

The Jets had no comment on whether Po‘uha could return after the initial wave of the NFL’s unrestricted free agent signing period dies down. In general, first-year general manager John Idzik stated his philosophy about cutting and then re-signing players during a conference call with the club’s season ticket holders earlier this month.

“I don’t think we ever shut the door on anything, especially when it comes to your own players,” Idzik said. “You get in free agency and it’s constant change day to day, it’s a little unpredictable, but you just have to let it kind of take its form and let it play out and see what you’re able to do as the pieces start to fall into place, and hopefully you’re able to retain some of your guys. So we go in with that mindset, that we never close the door and we’ll see what happens.”

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245 Responses to “It’s Official: Sione Po’uha Is Released”

  1. By scjoe on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Pouha was a good player, key word being “was” time to move on, the only question is WHO do you move on to, and do you upgrade that spot or downgrade it. You can’t keep popular players around strictly because of their popularity, you have to continue to get better, upgrade. (See Bill Belichek) There is a fine line there that we as fans do not take into consideration. There are finances there as well that most don’t take in to consideration.I said from the day Idzik was hired, it will be a couple of years before he can effectively be evaluated. Hope he himslef was an upgrade to his predecessor.

  2. By Karan on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    What in the world happened to our D? To be honest, the only big losses will be LaRon Landry and Darrelle Revis. As much as drama queen Revis is, he’s a top notch player. Also will miss Pouha and DeVito, would have liked at least ONE of them back. Yeremiah Bell was a nice one year deal, wouldn’t have minded having him back but he’s now with Arizona. Once again, thanks a lot Tannenbaum, you have single handedly destroyed this team. I wish Mr. Idzik the best, like the guy so far. Good riddance though with the 3 old LBs.

  3. By SCfromNY on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Very glad othe Jets freeing up so much cap room. Do they intend to spend any of it? Are they aware you need 53 players? I have always been against signing rejects or old playersm but we have not gone after anyone. I hope we make a move for Pollard. Wait for the release of Kolb for our last QB. I am hoping for the best but as i started out . . . What is the point of freeing up cap space if we don’t use it.

  4. By CJF on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Bye Big Bo. We are losing everyone important on defense it seems. It’s going to be a horrible season. Im already thinking about 2014.

  5. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    The bottom line, folks, is we haven’t lost a single player yet who has anything to do with a future Jet team that can credibly contend for a Super Bowl ring. And that assessment on my part won’t change once we deal Revis. Wake up, scjoe, it’s not about muddling along to 9-7 with overpaid busts and has-beens that Rex compares to Jim Brown, Jim Nance, Jim Morrison, and anyone else who’s been dead in NFL terms for decades. It’s about finally getting down to business and building a winner. And if you’re out after only 6 weeks of this, I don’t know what to tell you. Our SB team was built over 5 years and today that can be done faster. So relax and start thinking in terms of our next two drafts, that and a GM who spends wisely is the right move.

  6. By Another Tom on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Its starting to look very dismal, is this rock bottom? our team leaders are Sanchez, Holmes and Cro ? Ugh!

  7. By IRA on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    I think once the smoke clears if healthy Pouha cold be resigned probably after the draft if they choose to.I think it would be a wise move they need some veteran leadership and even if Pouha can only give them 15-20 snaps a game it would only help. hate seeing so much turnover but the Jets had a nice run from 08-11 and they finally have paid the price for trying to win now back then by signing older veterans and trading away draft picks. Eventually it catches up to you. Now Idzik will need time to rebuild and fix this. Whatever it is I bleed green and will be critical but will always support tihe team I love.
    GO JETS!!!!

  8. By Anthony DeSena on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Trade Revis im done with this team

  9. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    We need more thinking like this, scjoe, and less whining. From a piece on the NFL site about the impasse in a Revis-to-TB deal: “The sides could find common ground in the coming days, though, as one source told Cole the Buccaneers are more willing to give up their 2014 first-round pick. Since the Jets are in full-blown rebuilding mode this year, it’s a compromise that makes plenty of sense.” No problem at all if this yr we pay off “Mark” and Rex, let ‘em go without doing any further damage, and find out which QBs other than MS are worth keeping and which young players are worth developing. If we don’t like any QBs this yr, pick one next yr. After fooling ourselves for yrs, we’ve got all the time in the world for reality.

  10. By Karan on Mar 13, 2013 | Reply

    Landry signs with Colts. 4 starters gone in 2 days. This is the worst. I honestly just really wanted Landry re-signed and wouldn’t have minded DeVito returning. Now I’m hesistant on this Revis trade. Looks like it will happen. Thats Revis, Bell, Landry, Pouha and DeVito gone. WOW!! Rex Ryan is a goner. John Idzik means business.

  11. By LikWid8d on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    How are we rebuilding something that was never built! C’mon! A Superbowl in my lifetime would be nice.

  12. By Rickie New York on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    ABSOLUTELY EMBARASSING. 2 words that describe free agency so far. I understand that the Jets are tight with cap room but I thought they would at least TRY to sign some GOOD free agents. So far all I’ve seen is our good players leaving and moving on and us, honstly, adding NOBODY note-worthy. Landry wanted too much and was going to be gone regardless. Dustin Keller hurts THE MOST p – the ONLY core-guy drafted among the revis, harris, mangold, sanchez core group that DIDNT get a deal. Our leading rec 2 years in a row, sanchez fav target and the one guy – the ravens and pats both said so – that you had to game plan for, in order to beat us you had to take 81 out of the game. He was a gamechanger we under-used.

  13. By Rickie New York on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    The fact that they didnt even TRY to re-sign Keller and now he is going to Miami is an UNFORGIVEABLE BETRAYAL – on BOTH sides. Keller was one of my favs – played like a Jet – but has gone one of the few places I will not follow, I cannot wish him good luck. When he has 70-80 rec for 700 – 900 yards and 8-10 tds next year we are gonna look even STUPIDER. Speaking of which I’d like to name a few free agents I wish the Jets would go after whod be PERFECT for the team and are HUGE NEEDS… but they probably wont. They already missed on Jared Cook , Keller, and Patrick Chung who couldve taken Bells place. The number of good players we are losing is alarming and the lack of action to cure the problem even more so. I’m in shock right now.

  14. By Rickie New York on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Here is my list of free agents the Jets SHOULD be pursueing. First and fore-most is L DELMAS being we have NO starting safeties. Hes affordable coming off a down yr and is a PERFECT fit – could be the ED REED of our def and a young stud whod be a cornerstone for years to come. REX SHOULDVE been in his driveway tue – he should be a JET already but hes getting away. We cant afford Eric Winston , but J Trueblood from tb was worth a look. Recently released B Pollard from balt knows the system and is a hard hitter like Laron, $ may be issue but we should TRY. S Hillips OLB from SD would be reat fit and help the pass rush. So could Osi but $ def a factor there. With keller n cook both gone Fred Davis should be on the top of the list too.

  15. By Rickie New York on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    I’ll stop the rnt with this post but there are some good players out there that could be GREAT on our team esp in Rexs def but we are doing NOTHING to get even ONE of them. So far the additions and players theyre talking to are the OPPOSITE of exciting, almost embarassing, no disrespect meant but we need alot of help filling alot of holes. Its the lack of action REAL or PERCEIVED that is most alarming.Jets PLEASE listen, bring in some guys for visits even if you have NO INTENTION of signing them – just to let your frustrated and fed up fans THINK you are at least TRYING. There are some PERFECT players for the Jets out there – PLEASE go get them: DELMAS, POLLARD, S PHILLIPS, F DAVIS, K SMITH rb, A Wilson SS, but most of all DELMAS!!!!!!!!!!!

  16. By Rickie New York on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Seriously…. “but you just have to let it kind of take its form and let it play out and see what you’re able to do as the pieces start to fall into place, and hopefully you’re able to retain some of your guys.” – dont you mean you sit back and do nothing and try to wait for the pieces of ‘scraps’ to fall into place when the other teams are done feasting. Keep our guys? I dont care about green or slauson, but Devito, Laron, Bell,Pouha, Moore, Keller – all GONE! The guy whos driveway REX SHOULDVE BEEN IN tue – L DELMAS – playmaker safety whos affordable coming off down yr, PERFECT fit for REX’s D! We are letting him get AWAY! WAKE UP JETS! DELMAS, B POLLARD, S PHILLIPS, F DAVIS, A WILSON (ss), but most of all SIGN DELMAS NOW PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

  17. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Another ESPN post I love: “This is great for football. Revis is the ultimate prima-donna, “‘me first,” arrogant narcissist. He is now seeing that no one really wants him for the price he thinks he is worth. Nobody is worth more than what someone is willing to pay for them, he’ll be lucky to get $10 million/year for 3 years at this point and after that he will be worth even less.” And more good news is Landry to IND for $24 mil for 4 yrs. He’ll never see it, of course — let’s see if he even makes it thru next yr — but there was obviously no reason for us to even talk numbers like that with him. When you know you’re not competing for at least a yr, maybe 2, there’s no need take any guff from these…these…NARCISSISTS, that’s the word!

  18. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, this is the third paragraph of a post on ESPN. I think it puts your FA complaints in the proper perspective: “After you build a good team through the draft, then its on to Phase 3, supplementing your team through free agency and making a run at the Superbowl, but right now we are just starting Phase 1 [clearing cap space], unfortunately some people (like Cimini) just don’t understand how this process works.” Exactly — there’s no pt arguing that we “can’t lose” DeVito or Keller or some other overpriced average player, much less dreaming about signing Wallace or Welker. As another guy posted on ESPN, what we’re doing is your only shot to build a dynasty. I’ll take trying for a dynasty over “We’re close!” anyday.

  19. By kw65fan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Landry is gone and signed at 6mil per year. Go get Pollard. Younger, faster and also big hitter. Contract was only 2.5 with Ravens…get him for 4 mil…wise investment to help shore up the middle of the field and let our two young safeties learn from it. Guess we are waiting till dust is settled to help repair our OL such as Slauson or Moore. Seems like in dealing with Tampa for Revis we will not get a number 1 till next year and maybe a couple mid round this year. SF looking at that other CB ASam…whatever his name is. So much maybe dealing with SF and all their picks they have. Certainly will get him cheap instead of dealing with Revis.

  20. By Jack on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    That would be move be TB, if the Jets do make a trades with Tampa. Tampa want to see how Darrelle Revis plays out next season So if Revis plays like a top CB, in the league then Jets get the no# 1 pick from Tampa Bay in 2014 drafts picks. But Jets should get TB, Second Rd, from this year drafts and a late Rd’s from this year drafts. 2nd and a 4th Rd’s pick this year maybe and a 1st and maybe a 3th Rd in next year drafts.

  21. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    In order to beat us, you had to take Keller out of the game, Rickie?!?!?! He wasn’t even in some of the games we won! Yeah, he played like a Jet — disappearing for big games or just about any games for weeks at a time, couldn’t block, and didn’t know where the 1st down marker was! Please get real, he’s 5 yrs in to a perfectly ordinary career during which the whole thinking at TE has changed. When we get a Gronk and/or Hernandez and let them go as FAs, you can start crying then. “Rex is a goner, idzik means business” — amazing that you could write this mournfully, Karan, as opposed to what it is, THE BEST NEWS THIS SITE HAS SEEN IN YEARS!

  22. By Karan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Yea, at this point, I’m all for signing Pollard. Too many players have left from the D. Heck, I wouldn’t even mind singing Jim Leonard to a 1 year contract. Delmas will most likely be a 49er. Seeing all these players leave really upsets me now especially knowing Keller will sign with the fish, and also Revis down in Tampa. I can’t believe no effort was made to re-sign Keller. At least give it a shot, he would fit the Morningweg system. I’m all for signing Mike Goodson. I always liked the kid in Carolina and believe he has breakout potential. If not a breakout star, he can still be a solid piece and an upgrade over Greene. Heard Kolb will be a Jet ultimetly, I’m just not a fan of Kolb, but you what, he’s worked with Morhinweg and will…….

  23. By Karan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    ………provide Sanchez competition. Mark NEEDS competition. Looks like the Jets could be looking to draft a TE since Keller is a goner. Hopefully, they can re-sign Pouha to a cheaper deal. Too many veterans lost. Holmes is talented, but he is not the veteran leader we need. And please, please release Tebow and save some money out of it.

  24. By Karan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t like the Patriots but you have to give them credit for how they work. They move fast, Welker is gone and they sign Amendola right away. A bit taller and quicker slot guy. With Brady, he could end up being a Pro Bowler but the guy is injury prone. The cannons are set for Manning: Welker, Thomas, Decker and I’m sure more to come. So far, the two teams that have had a strong offseason so far are the Dolphins and Cheifs. Eagles, Lions and the Cardinals are also getting much talent.

  25. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    The point of freeing up cap space, SCfromNY, is spending it on fast, young, smart, unspoiled players taken in the draft and building our own stars and leaders rather than expecting TJ or Favre, much less Holmes or Cro, to come in and “lead.” Some of you people are panicking so much over the first chapter or two of rebuilding that I think you should get a job in D.C. freaking out over the sequester! I guess it would be out of the question to, like, ask you to wait for this yr’s and next yr’s drafts to see where the team is going. I guess you’d rather we spend a fortune on Alex Smith, Amendola, and Goldson, raise ticket prices again, and then go 7-9 because we still need about 15 new starters. Jeez, what a bunch of green and white wimps…

  26. By GaryC on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    There will be guys cut,it is attrition,nobody can keep everybody.why is it when the giants do what the jets are doing they say they are smart,but with the jets they are letting all the quality free agents get away.How many free agents were out on the market and how many can you reasonably add to your team.

  27. By GaryC on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Landry coming to Lucas oil,people who are sorry to see him leave the jets,I will see a lot of him this year and let’s see how good he covers on astroturf,and when his next injury pops up.

  28. By GaryC on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    I feel fans go by the theory,A BIRD IN THE HAND IS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH,they want the names,that is why they buy jerseys,not into the adulation myself,I like surprises,that is why I prefer a draft pick to a player who has wear and tear,see scjoe,I didn’t say reject,Fans are leery of players they don’t know,vis a vis,the draft.,but the name,that does it for some,he has had success,why not that same success with us.

  29. By scjoe on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    64, if only it was as easy as you are making it out to be. You really believe that just simply “cleaning house” letting go everyone who becomes a FA, then trying your luck with the draft will guarantee anything? “What if” they don’t hit ANY home runs (as usual) in the draft process? You only get 7 picks a year on average. You seem to like the phrase “building through the draft” there is another phrase that comes in to play here as well, “you know what you have, you don’t know what you may get” at least re: free agency.

  30. By AZ JET Fan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    KC could be great this year. Maybe we can be the KC of 2014 cuz we are not winning many games this year.

  31. By scjoe on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Sure, I agree with you 64 on many of the UFAs we have on the roster, but a select few like Keller (although I am not a huge fan) might be a good fit in MMs scheme. Maybe either Moore OR Slauson to keep at least some kind of continuity along the O line until a younger guy is ready. When I say that, I am thinking of the cap figure as well. None of these guys will break the bank but could be more valuable then their respective replacements, at least early on. As for your phase 1, 2 &3. Where is the guarantee that you “build a good team through the draft” which is phase 2. Lets see how it works out for Miami, Denver, NE etc as they skipped phase 2 and jumped to phase 3

  32. By Ronbo on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    LikWid8D, sadly,when we talk about rebuilding we are coming from a much lower reference point than a N.E or event the N.Y.Giants.Our high points were the back to back AFC title games.Yeah, I hear you,pretty weak!S.C.from N.Y, hang in there bro,I feel your pain but a lot of whats happaning now is addition by subtraction.We are never going to be anything but a 9-7 team that loses in the 1st rd if we continued trying to fill holes with other teams rejects.Guys like landry (who only played the full 16 games for a contract are not the answere for long term success.-

  33. By Ronbo on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    cont.- KARAN,CJF,I agree its tough seeing so many guys walk out the door but remember they were never gonna be a part of the long term soloution.IRA talked about resigning Pouha later on but again, I believe we need to move on from guys like that.Yes he had leadership qualities but so do guys like Demario Davis and Mo Wilkerson.The I-Man has a reputation for kind of a revolving door policy in regards to signing& cutting players until he finds the ones who can contribute to a winning team.I would advise you to not get too attached to anybody as there will be a lot of cutting & pasting with this team for a while.

  34. By Jetfan74 on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Lets step back from the ledge and calm down already! They are looking at all the right guys as far as I am concerned. If you want them to bring in a safety that is young and oh by the way knows the system, then look no further than Dawan Landry who ran to Jville for the money and now he’s on the street. We may have lost starters on the D but how many of them spent plenty of time on the pine w/ injuries.

  35. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Let Go of All Illusions on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Well, Eric Allen, you’re ready to run for office. Your column today on Revis spends a ton of words to say almost nothing of substance, much less of consequence. And you even throw in some contrived pop sociology, something about Revis’ hometown has trouble with drugs and gangs so the appropriate response on his part is to ask his team for an amount of money that could fund Fresh Air Funds in all 50 states. Seriously, nice job going over some of the more obvious pts, but there’s still no good argument to be made for paying much of anything for any player, however great, who won’t be a factor by the time this team is rebuilt. Especially when that player talks a lot more about how great he is than how great he’d like his team to be.

  36. By scjoe on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Just 1 more point on this “building through the draft” debate. The reality is EVERY team, including the NYJ sets that is their #1 Goal. The difference is some teams do it much better then others. The NYJ are not, or at least not have been one of them. Maybe that will change with Idzik, maybe it wont. But you have to keep in mind that the draft is only 1 of the tools available to build a competitive team, and it is written in stone that ALL GMs, and owners know that as well. There is no team out there foolish enough not to use ALL of the tools and recourses available to build their roster. On a scale 0f 1-10 some teams may be slated at 7 or 8, some maybe at 3 or 4 but NONE as a 1 That puts the “building through the draft” in to perspective.

  37. By kleckofan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    What seems to be the biggest problem for most others posting on here is simply patience and due diligence. Yes, we’re all die-hard Jets fans who’ve seen our share of incompetaence on and off the field. BUT, we can’t keep attempting to change the direction of this team while at the same time worrying about making the playoffs only to be beaten in the Wild Card round.
    We are rebuilding, repeat, we are rebuilding. Signing a great FA right now is not the priority. We are assessing what we have, cutting fat and age, and looking to the future. Sure, it is tempting to say “get this guy or that guy” but to what ends? What did we get w what we had? When Rex is criticized fans say to look at the personnel he had, when the personnel is then cut they

  38. By kleckofan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    CONT why are you cutting our favorite guys.
    Hey, buy in, get w the program. It hurts at the beginning. I’m 50 this month, I want a Lombardi too, but I believe in a systematic, well-thought out approach. You can’t go off line by throwing cash at a FA just for the sake of having one great player (why Revis trade is totally sensible).
    Free Agency always brings the most squaking on here. It’s time to build, SLOWLY.

  39. By Karan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    I think we will be set at RB this season. Idzik wants competition this season at all positions. So focusing on the RB position, I think they will draft one in April and hopefully sign Mike Goodson to a cheap deal. Then, it’ll really be a 4 way battle between McKnight, Powell, the draftee and Goodson. Thats makes some for good training camp battle. Yes, none are top of the line RBs but they are all young and have potential. Plus, its all afforable options for the Jets. Thats one of the main reasons I’m for signing Goodson.

  40. By Karan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    After seeing the secondary being ripped apart, I’m hoping the Jets and Revis can get something done at least, just something. Something that will make Revis a long term Jet. Only problem is he’s not commited, the guy wants too much. At the same time, losing Bell, Landry and Revis is one offseason, thats a bit too much, just a bit too much.

  41. By Karan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    There are a lot of secondary players out there, maybe get after them. Looks like no-one wants to come to gang green. Your dreaming Rex.

  42. By Karan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    If we sign a veteran safety like Adrian Wilson, Jim Leonhard or even Antoine Winfield to a 1 year deal, that’ll be fine with me. They would be the 2013 version of Yeremiah Bell. If we sign Bernard Pollard, that would be great.

  43. By Karan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    What an offseason so for the Chiefs. New GM, new Head Coach, New QB Alex Smith, then they get a backup in Chase Daneil, Dunta Robinson, Husain Abdullah, Anthony Fasano, CB Sean Smith, former Jet Mike DeVito, Donnie Avery, re-sign Dwayne Bowe. They already have 2 Pro Bowl pass rushers, Eric Berry is already there, set at RB with Jamaal Charles and the #1 pick in the draft who most likely will be the starting tackle for the team. Wow, talk about a complete overhaul.

  44. By Byrdman on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    To those of you who are hyperventilating and getting hysterical over the players “jettisoned” (like that?) followed by ZERO big named splashy high-priced superstars signed by our front office this week – Everybody relax and step back from the ledge!
    How many SB’s did Keller, Pouha, Landry, Bell, Moore, Greene, and the 3 old LB’s win here? Fact is we’ve gotten familiar with “business as usual” in Jet City but now there’s a new Sheriff in town. Deputy Barney Fife has taken his badge and his shirt with one bullet in the pocket to NFL TV.
    Lets give the new guy a chance – Tbaum drafted Gholston, Wilson and Sanchez 1st round / Idzik found Richard Sherman and Kam Chancelor in the FIFTH and franchise QB Wilson in the THIRD rd.

  45. By Stevesc on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Ira, well said on your take of Jets situation and past practices of trading picks for players past their prime… Jet fan Tom64, I’m with you regarding cleaning house. I don’t know why a lot of people on this site are crying over the players that have left or have been let go… If these players were as great as these complainers think, than a 6-10 season should never have happened. My take on Revis is deal him now. He can’t hold out, and if he wants the kind of money in FA after next season, he will have to have a great season and be injury free. The Jets won’t pay him what he wants, period. So, get the best deal you can now. Relax, and enjoy this ride guys. The draft will be interesting, and seeing new talent will be exciting.

  46. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Like I said a few days ago, I love your responses. Let’s just cut all the dead weight right now and develop our young players and see who is worth keeping. I don’t care if we don’t sign one free agent! We can draft at least 7 players this year, and possibly more depending on what happens with the primadona Revis and other compensatory picks which we are going to get because of the players we have lost. We can draft two OG, an OT, OLB, S, RB, and a second safety or OT, as this is a strong draft for them with our given 7 picks and fill in what we need with compensatory picks and UFA’s after the draft, as well as any leftover veterans for depth if necessary. We can even draft a QB in the later rounds on a flyer if someone there is worth

  47. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    it, but I think it’s better to stay away from QB this year and wait till next year or the year after. We need to give Simms and McElroy a shot and see if they are worth keeping. Why haven’t they asked Sanchez to restructure his contract?? I think they will flat out cut him if he doesn’t show anything this year. If you haven’t figured it out, we are REBUILDING NOW! This season is an evaluation period. If we have a good draft this year and next, we might be able to come around a bit and gather YOUNG talent. Now we are gonna see if Rex can coach or not. My inkling is that he will be gone by next year or even sometime during this season. You might think I lost my marbles, but I have resigned myself to write off 2013 to evaluate talent.

  48. By Chicago Bob on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Even if the Jets had the money, they would have been stupid to give their guys that left what other teams are giving them – some of these contracts are insane. Idzik is going the correct route and waiting until the smoke clears and seeing what is available and at what price. They will be in much better shape financially next year to get the correct players. This team is two years away from contending – makes no sense to even attempt what some of these other teams are doing. They may not get the stud playersthis year however they can definitely improve the depth of this team by going this route. I am sure Miami will overpay Keller just like they did with Wallace & Ellerbee – they are just trying to generate interest and ticket sales.

  49. By Byrdman on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    I’m actually more excited right now about the future of the Jets than I’ve been in at least 10 years.
    From what we’ve seen so far, Idzik has grabbed the bull by the horns and wrestled the thing to the ground.
    I’m thrilled that he hasn’t caved in to fan demands for Reggie Bush, Felix Jones, Greg Jennings, Fred Davis, Jake Long, Dwight Freeney and
    (fill in the blank with you favorite BIG name high priced FA)
    T-Bomb fell head over heals in love with anybody that’s got a “FAT-HEAD” wall poster on the market.

  50. By Tom Spicer on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    I read in todays New York Post that the Jets are $15,000,000 under the salary cap. Now even if you save $5,000,000 for your draft picks unless the Jets beat writer Brain Costello is wrong about that number. What are we doing? Now Devito, Greene & Landry got way to much money so I am okay with not signing them. I actually wanted to cut Pouha to get that 3.8 MIL in cash. But Yerimiah Bell took a $150,000 pay cut & signed with the Cards. Why did we not sign this guy? Why have we not done anything? What are we waiting for?

  51. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Does anyone here seriously think any of those free agents mentioned wanted to come to the NYJ? Do you think for one moment these players want to play for Rex? Or better yet..why would you want to be part of a team that is rebuilding and won’t be competitive until 2014-2015? Once Rex/Sanchez are gone, players will see the NYJ building a serious contending team then and only then will you see players interested in wearing the Green&White. Just waiting for the new HC to come in and take charge….prepare yourselves for a painful season or 2 gentlemen I can see Rex now..final press conference as HC our record 2-14 …: I still believe..in my heart of hearts…(go ahead I dare you)…I still think Mark gives us the best chance to win!” HAHAHA!

  52. By Allan O'Dane on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Karan, I wouldn’t say the chiefs made a complete overhaul. This team had some players in place already, like we did in 1998 and 2009. We just added a few key pieces here and there and became contenders. That’s what the chiefs are doing right now. Andy Reid knew this coming in. Right now you can pencil in the chiefs to be the #2 in the AFC west. They won’t beat Denver..but they will make it tough on them. I’m looking at 49ers-Denver SB right now..just my opinion.

  53. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Shocked at the Squeamishness on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t believe in guarantees of any kind, scjoe, not in football, not on paper, not in life, there are just too many variables and too many people at any given time who are willing to put them into play. That old line about “you know what you got…,” etc. is, sad to say, the essence of the inability to to act, to create, to risk in the interest of change that I’m talking about. And the “they” that will be drafting is different for us will be different from the “they” that has been drafting. We’re waiting for the next 2 drafts, Spicer, sorry if from now to next April exceeds the limits of your patience. Dr Frank, I’m with you, not interested in any FA’s at all, would rather see what picks can do. Start Bush and Allen at S if you have to.

  54. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Shocked at the Squeamishness on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Hey Allan, great point about how the white smoke will really be blowing out of MetLife only when Rex and Sanchez are gone and only then will any quality FA’s want to play for the Jets anyway. But better not get onto that quite yet, too many folks here are devastated by the loss of keys to a glorious future like Greene, Pouha, and Bell.

  55. By IRA on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Once again no surprise Idzik needs to clear up the finances before he can move forward. Down in Mia for the week and the sports radio show talk here is brutal. They always kill the Jets but last night was crazy. Don’t they forget. We owned them for over a decade. Our time will come again.
    GO JETS!!!!

  56. By SCfromNY on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Jet Fan 64 I think you misred my post. I have no issues with everyone let go. I might have kept DeVito but thats it. I do not want old players as you suggested like Farve, a trade I HATED! BUT there are very good young players. At Safety there is Pollard, Delmas, D.Landry even Wilson and we have made no moves. Did we even try for Cook knowing we didn;t want Keller? Right now there are several CBs that are young and an upgrade over Kyle Wilson. My point was why create cap room and do nothing. Reminds me of a few years ago when we fixed on Asomaga and signed no one else. I would have overpaid for Krueger. BTW, why would Sanchez restructure? He is done. Get rid of ASAP.

  57. By scjoe on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    kleckofan, with all due respect, can you honestly sit there and tell me that a guy like Cliff Avril for example, who is still in his prime, or may not even reached it yet, would not be a major upgrade for this club right now, and for the life of his contract? (barring injury) Finances notwithstanding, because this is an unusual year, but logically speaking, would you say that would be a bad signing for this team knowing the need at that position? You could go back 5 years and read all my posts, you will never see me advocating signing over paid over the hill FAs (Favre, LT, Taylor, Lott etc.) just those that are in, or nearing their prime that make sense.

  58. By kleckofan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Dr. Frank, stevesc, Byrd, Spice, AllanO, ChiBob …soooo good to see you all trying to convince those who are screaming about FA’s to look at the long term picture; they’re just not getting it.

  59. By scjoe on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    64, let me ask you this, re: your comment on your post above directed to Dr Frank. “I’m not interested in signing ANY FAs AT ALL” you’re a smart guy, I know that, so tell me, how do you replace 16-20 free agents and/or RFAs AND cuts when A- you don’t want to resign ANY of your own, and B- you don’t want to sign any one else’s either? As far as I can see, that is where you stand. So, how do you complete your roster which would be down at least 12-15 players with just those 7 (Seven) draft picks? If you can give me a logical answer to that question I will rest my case once and for all. Remember, as of today, as of right now, all we have are 7.

  60. By Frank on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    The only real problem I have is the fact Rex, Sanchez and Holmes are still on the team. I said we should have cleaned house last year this drip drip drip is killing me. What a waste of time really its insulting!
    You win games on the line of scrimmage letting Devito(High Character Guy) walk was stupid he was our second best DL and now we have a huge hole in the middle. Second Slauson has really developed into a good guard and he is young SIGN HIM already. Ducasse is a disaster. So as of now we need 2 safties, 2 guards, 2 DL’s and at least 2 or 3 LB’s just to field a roster!. I have been saying it for years all the draft picks and players given away has finally caught up with the team. I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH KOLB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  61. By jetpete on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    We should not worry what other teams are doing. We all saw how having an all star team worked out for Philly. Not a bit worried where Revis will end up. Teams that have skipped phase 2 and on to 3 will have their share of problems, Meanwhile we get younger,Stronger, And faster. Days of quick fixes and bandaids are over. Go Idzik and go JETS!!

  62. By kw65fan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    People…stop the question of why Sanchize is not re-negotiating…Why should he. He is guaranteed over 8mil this year and he KNOWS he is a GONER next year where there are NO guarantees left. Okay…lets say he will….Don’t you think he would want to cover his butt by negotiating and making NEXT YEAR to be guaranteed also. You want him around for 2 years more. I don’t think so. Use common sense people. He is just gonna collect a pay check sit around…make an effort here or there…and start looking next year for teams. Probably go to San Diego be Rivers backup and be close to home.

  63. By IRA on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    It’s going to be hard to watch Leon play for the Pats. Still think Woodhead could help the Jets and they should see if they could sign him. He would be perfect for MM’s system and would be a pass catching threat out of the backfield which they do not have besides McKnight who they just don’t seem to trust much in the base offense. Woodhead would also be a big help with ST’s.
    Glad to hear Keller has left Mia without a contract. Maybe there is still hope if the Jets have any interest in him for the right price.

  64. By scjoe on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    OK, let the conversation begin on Leon Washington to NE. Good, Bad, or Indifferent?

  65. By scjoe on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Tell me about it Ira, I lived in S. Florida for 25 years, never missed a Jet-Dolphin game at the old Orange Bowl or Joe Robbie, but the home town sports talk shows there are among the worse. The biggest culprits? Hank Goldberg, and the late Jim Mandich. Those 2 were relentless in their bashing of the Jets.

  66. By Charliejet on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Tom 64 you and I have had our differences on “typical jets fans” but I gotta agree on you 100% on the “green and white wimps” jet fans. This is an exciting time everyone. I love it – what is it the Marines do during boot camp? – tear down the man before building him up. This is an exciting time and just the beginning folks names will come and go, I think Fitzpatrick should be given a look as well. Revis, I’m all in! Let’s get everything we can for this guy and trade him. Sadly, the weakest link in all of this is keeping Rex Ryan. Yes folks, 3-13; 4-12; 5-11(take your pick for 2013) it’s OK growing pains. Cromartie, Holmes restructured. I wonder if they said to Idzik “What about Sanchez?”

  67. By fran'scan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Rickie – i have read several of your posts re. Keller. I can only hope Miami likes him as much as you do. He is nothing more than an overweight, slow WR. Some food for thought…With Keller in the huddle we were always throwing it and guess who also knew that… the 11 on the other side of the line. Guess what they also knew when he wasnt it the huddle since he cant block… Fact is he cant shed tacklers and has only average hands. Now with the signing of wallace and re signing hartline, you really think he will get 70 – 80 balls and 8-10 TD’s ? While we need a TE, the answer is certainly not Keller. We tried and he stunk, good riddance.Cumberland will be a better all around player and knows how to break tackles and block as well

  68. By bleedjetgreen on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    just wondering!!is trufant still on the team?what happened to him?i thought he was doin an outstanding job last season,then never heard anything about him anymore.hope he was just injured and comes back this season.could be a solid player everyone forgetn about.idk?

  69. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Kleckofan and Tom64. I have a question since you fellows have all the answers, knowing how to build a team from the ground up , with all your knowledge , Thing is Broncos just built a Top 3 AFC team in a season and a half,. going against all you both are preaching. Kinda blows holes in all your theory’s. yes I know you’ll spin and dissect it in every-way possible, but once again I have to say it’s truth fact. yes they did sorry . Now I’m not saying Our GM isn’t doing his job, But I for one am waiting for just one decent move, towards picking up a player not just losing them.. OH right he’s waiting to fire Rex 1st ..makes sense

  70. By MIKE on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    As much as I like the house cleaning the Jets are doing, it would make me feel better if they signed someone. Whether its Goodson, Barnes, Kolb or anybody, there is know way the Jets can win 5 games with the roster they have now.

  71. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Cont. here’s my prediction fellas if he does fire Rex he best get some one who’ll build this team into a winner, not try to con them with boxing films and having them talk to Teddy atlas, like Herm or Mangini, BTW both are shinning seats in the broadcast booth how’d that work out.. in case you haven’t noticed today’s Football players are the most immature since it’s inception, stroking ego’s is just as much a part of developing these men children as OTA’s and Training camp. I know it’s impossible to drop some knowledge on people who know it all but some times you have to say what the heck..

  72. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Shocked at the Squeamishness on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    I think I get it, SCfromNY, I’m just very hardcore on this one. I don’t think it matters if we sign a single FA this yr. We could just draft people, pick up UFA’s, and play them with the guys we’ve already got for a yr and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference. Except to Rex, of course, who wouldn’t be able to say outrageous nonsense like last yr’s “This is the best team I’ve had.”

  73. By Karan on Mar 14, 2013 | Reply

    Wow, I know we have lost a lot of players but have you seen what has happened with the Ravens?? They’ve lost Ray Lewis to retirement, Ed Reed is most likely next as he will take his talents to Houston, Dannell Ellerbe gone, Paul Kruger gone, Bernard Pollard gone, Anquan Boldin gone, Cary Williams gone. That’s 7 starters! And all solid players. We lost Scott, Pace and Thomas, not a BIG deal at all. Landry and Revis? Yes and even DeVito partly.

  74. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Calm Within the Storm on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Here’s an all-purpose post for a lot of folks on all sides of what’s going on at the moment: Putting it simply, I don’t really get why any Jet fan would have a problem with what we’re doing right now. We haven’t rebuilt this aggressively since…since…well, really EVER! I understand some season-ticket holders don’t even want to sit thru a meaningless exhibition game, much less a meaningless season, but y’know what, guys? If you got the $ to buy season seats, you got the $ to wait a yr or 2 to see this team turn into something worth watching, If it doesn’t, fine, dump your tix then, but I think you’d have to be nuts to keep puffing on Rex’s “We’re close” crack pipe instead of backing the kind of change we really need. Just my take…

  75. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Calm Within the Storm on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    I’d just revise your complaint this way, SCfromNY — we’ve created cap space and done nothing YET! I don’t think Idzik is doing this just to look at all the unspent money. Pretty soon it’ll start getting spent and wisely, starting around late April. And when it does, I don’t think you’ll see any more Kyle Wilsons and John Conners getting picked. Or any dealing of multiple picks to move up to pick guys like “Mark” or Greene. (I guess it’s not lost on anyone on this site that Rex’s “bell cow” couldn’t do any better than playing #2 RB to one of the best RBs in the game on one of the worst teams in the league.)

  76. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    cont. OH right prediction being… more of the same nonsense, then as usual the natives get restless calling for his firing as well, heck Tom64 already stated possibly Idzik may be an idiot if he doesn’t handle the Revis trade to his satisfaction

  77. By Jersey Rich on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Leon Washington signed by the Patriots.. Westhoff retired.. Uh-Oh, Maybe the Jets-Pats games are about to become more embarrassing for those of us here in Jet’s Nation

  78. By GaryC on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    I for one am not into the Rex bashing either,I believe he has been humbled the last couple of seasons,but get rid of him,for who,He comes across as a guy who loves being the jet coach,and how many coaches have the jets had who said that and meant it.He is far from perfect but will he run out on them like the almighty Parcells did,I doubt it,unless Idzik deems so.He still has accomplished more then a lot of coaches who have paraded in here.Let’s see what unfolds this year.

  79. By GaryC on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    JetFanTom,you want Nnamdi now,you can have him for a bucket of golf balls.

  80. By GaryC on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Ira,forget Keller,I hope the jets are sewing in the name ERTZ on to uniform number 81,when the season starts.

  81. By GaryC on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    So now I guess Andy Reid has his second dream team coming,we all saw how well his first made out,a one way ticket to Kansas City.The only thing a free agent guarantees is he is getting paid a lot of moolah.

  82. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, you don’t have to sign free agents now. You can fill your roster with them after the draft, if you wish. I would be most interested in signing YOUNG undrafted free agents to fill the roster, not retreads from other teams. That way we can evaluate the talent we have, plus our new draft picks and our undrafted free agents. We are bound to pick up some good talent this way and add to it next year when we draft and have some salary cap space to fill in with better proven players at the proper age. This is how you build a winning team and organization that will win for years, not just a year or two. Who wants to just get a wildcard every year and lose? Not me, had enough of that. I want to be dominant like the Pats, Steelers, …

  83. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Giants, Packers, etc. who seem to be in it just about every year and have a shot to not only make the playoffs but to win the super bowl. Using our money smartly and drafting well is the way to a better team, not signing big name guys after their prime for lots of money and to make NY headlines for Woody!!!

  84. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Calm Within the Storm on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I meant sign other folks’ FA’s, of course, we’ll sign 1 or 2 of our own and even that doesn’t matter when it’s about changing the roster totally. GaryC, Rex likes coaching but doesn’t do it well and isn’t honest with the GM, the team, or us. Ira, Leon’s a KR and we have a younger one of those. In fact, picking up Goodson might mean it’s McKnight’s last yr to show he’s more than a KR. Goodson’s a good move, fast, right for the WCO, signed cheaply over a few yrs so he could be part of a better team in 2015. As for Keller, even in his best yrs no one was afraid of him. We’ve been clueless at TE on both sides of the ball but that’s about to change. MJV, Favre split and we couldn’t sign Peyton so rebuilding that way hasn’t been an option.

  85. By scjoe on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Post of the decade goes to GaryC. Logic in it’s purest form. Thank You! That is all I have been trying to say re: Rex Ryan. I haven’t put him up on a pedestal and anointed him the newest member of the “elite” coaching club. All I am saying is “who are you going to replace him with?” Bring back Vince Lombardi and I’m on board. Regardless of what anyone says, thinks or reads, the decline of the NYJ is NOT directly related to Rex Ryan. Given the doings of the former GM, I don’t think Vince himself could have done anything different.

  86. By fran'scan on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Right on JETFAN TOM. Rex has been quiet and you know what… I love it ! Cant wait to see how Idzik drafts vs the way Tannenbum and Rex have done. We owe him a chance to prove himself. I have a feeling Rex will have little say this year and thats the way it should be. Oh and to IRA, RICKIE, and all other Dustin Keller fans. He just signed a 1 year deal in Miami. That’s how much the free agent market thought of him. Some highlights for you… Sanchez scrambles – throws 10 yards downfield to a wideopen Keller who bobbles and makes the catch, makes a move and falls forward for a nice 2 yd. YAC.. I dont mind if a TE cant block but then he’d better have Johnny Mitchell type skills [not mindframe mind you !]. That was our last exciting TE. Go NYJ

  87. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Calm Within the Storm on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Here’s Exhibit A in why Rex has to go, GaryC, aside from purely emotional and character issues, which Randy won’t always let me post on. Am I thinking of his lying about Cook by saying T Wilson “is the hardest worker on this team”? Am I thinking about the many times he said “If it was up to me I’d just run the ball” at a time when anyone who can’t pass can’t even make the playoffs? Am I maybe thinking of “Mark gives us the best chance to win”? No, I’m thinking of Rex, as it became clear in 2011 that “Mark” wasn’t cutting it, saying, “Well, it really takes SIX YRS [my CAPS added] with a QB.” Go ahead, tell me with a straight face you prefer 2 more yrs of “Mark” starting and blaming everything on everybody but him to what Idzik’s doing now!

  88. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    D-FeeneyDE, S-JacksonRB, P-Harvin,W/O A-BoldenW/O, M-Wallace W/O, D-Walker.TE. P-KrugerLB, L-Washington,PR/KR/RB, FitzgeraldQB, W-WelkerS/R, E-Reed S. Elarbie,. 2-3 very good CB’s, that’s a lot of talent and players not to make play for. almost as many names as someone uses to bring attention to his comments. makes you wonder if this was last year would the same wait and see fans explaining this cleaning house effect will get us a SB . wouldn’t be screaming bloody murder for the heads engineering this plan..I want what everyone else wants. we’ll see what works want doesn’t . I don’t mean in 5 years either, like some here are willing to say to prove a point,

  89. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Calm Within the Storm on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, you been body-snatched by somebody claiming to be scjoe the last few days? You know one of the Jets’ biggest problems, made worse under Rex, is their inability to believe in, much less start, guys they draft. We’re going nowhere this yr anyway because even if we draft a QB, he’s not going to be great enough out of the gate to make up for all we lack. So what does it matter if we start Wilk, Coples, Ellis, and, say, Star L? Or Davis, a draft pick, and another young guy at LB? Or even Bush and Allen and/or a pick at S? OL will probably be Mangold, Brick, Slauson and 2 new guys. RB might be Goodson, McKnight, Powell and one new guy. And then between picks and UFA’s we add maybe 15-20 guys over the next 2 yrs. Why does this scare you?

  90. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Calm Within the Storm on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Aso was a good choice under the old “We’re close” thinking, GaryC, and the Jets were smart to make him one reasonable offer and stand pat. Now we don’t even need Revis much less Aso. You’re much more on target about those kind of FA’s with what you just said to Ira about Reid at KC You’re also REALLY on target about Ertz. I don’t know why Ira said that thing a few days ago about Keller leaving means a vet TE, I think it means we’re looking to draft and groom the kind of Gronk/Hernandez TE that Keller has a snowball’s chance in Florham Park of ever becoming. Note the relatively cheap 1-yr deal MIA gave him and the many Fish fans who are angry over even that. Sorry, over-investing in under-performers will only prolong the Jets’ joke status.

  91. By kleckofan on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe- I see you’re back to the numbers again…how many drafts w seven picks does it take to fill a 53 man roster? I (we) get it. I agree, obviously, that we need to fill in holes w some FA’s. The point is to be patient and intelligent. You also said something about “finances notwithstanding”, how do you do that?Finances are a major part of the equation. I’m not sure how long Avril has been in the league, he is a good player. Can we sign him w big $ and have him sit trough 2-3 seasons while we stink? Maybe. I don’t necessarily disagree, same w Delmas. I (we) are just frustrated w those on here crying to “get this guy and that guy” and “why did you release so and so”. It’s a process. I’m not a “know it all”, what we’ve been doing has failed

  92. By kleckofan on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    MJV- I’m not sure why you’re so irritated by JFT64 and mine (and many others btw) opinion that chasing FA’s is not the way to go. How has that plan worked for us since, say, the Favre romance?
    The Broncos have had plenty of success due to their drafted players…Clady, Thomas, Decker (3rd round btw) etc. It is an extremely unusual occurrence to see a HOF QB get moved to another team while he can still play at a high level. Lightning in a bottle. Nice try making that out to be the norm rather than the exception.
    For a guy calling me and other “know it alls” you seem pretty confident in your opinion too. Take a step back, look objectively at what Idzik is doing.

  93. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Calm Within the Storm on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    4 out of about 12 posts to Cimini’s piece on ESPN called Keller “one-dimensional,” but this is the best post of all: “Did you really just [show concern for] rapport with Sanchez? The guy is off the team next year, who cares if Keller was more comfortable with Sanchez? The fact is Keller was a terrible blocker and wasn’t even the stretch the field type TE that caused mismatch problems. He was a largely one-dimensional, short route-running TE. Easily could be upgraded, yes not replaced but upgraded, with one of the many mid-round TE’s available in this draft.” As another guy posted, we’re in full swing with “Jets are always wrong mode.” Standing pat woulda been wrong…”tearing down the whole team” is wrong…yeah, tell me another, Cimini…

  94. By Byrdman on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe – This has taken on a life of its own now (FA’s vs Draft)
    It’s difficult (impossible) to have an open and honest debate if the definitions are a moving target. For example; I’ve been a proponent of the 100% Draft concept – meaning you target players each year that fit your O and D schemes
    You draft 7, then typically get 3 more undrafted walk-on keepers = 10
    Smart, Savvy GM’s are masters of trading players before their contracts expire to obtain additional picks, look at the 14 picks SF has this year. Compensatory draft picks can add up. The Jets have operated as if draft picks are poker chips – they gambled and LOST frequently under Tanny. Idzik’s philosophy represents a total paradigm shift for this franchise

  95. By Ronbo on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    WoW! This has to be one of the most fractured days here on Randy’s Radar. The diversity of opinions here is amazing!In one corner we have heavey weights like T-64 & Klecko fan in the other corner we have stallworths like MJV & Gary C! & the referee for this match is the enlightened one himself S.C.Joe.The fact of the matter is you guys all make great arguments and there is validity in them all.Personally i dont have all the answers as I’m just the draft-nut here!But I do feel the guy in charge has a plan and I for one am willing to let him play it out.To quote Ira,GO JETS!

  96. By Byrdman on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    >>> YES, you can build a 53 man roster through the draft.
    This whole concept is absolutely beyond a guy like Tanny, and the Jets haven’t done this since they were the Titans (lol)
    I think many here are stuck in 2010 – for you, this team is ONE player away from the SB. ONE OLB, game-breaking RB or an ELITE QB away from the promised land.
    I know that’s how I felt watching the Jets walking off Heinz Field almost 3 years ago, but everything has changed now, that team is gone.
    We can’t “Put The Band Back Together”
    We have waited 44 years for a SB team – lets give Idzik 2 years to build one!

  97. By scjoe on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Well gee, you have to wonder what all these other teams are thinking about (Miami, NE, Den, Det, Atl, Indy, KC, Minn, Seattle, NYG, SF) most of them contenders (not all, I know) but they don’t seem to be thinking along the same line as a few NYJ fans here on RR whereby you don’t go out and sign “other teams” free agents. Maybe collectively, the GMs of those franchises know something that those NYJ fans don’t? You know, like filling needs BEFORE the April draft and putting themselves in a position to take best available player rather then reaching in the early rounds? Could they all be wrong? I will go out on a limb here and say there is a good chance one of the above teams wins the 2013/14 SB. Anyone disagree?

  98. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Calm Within the Storm on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    The rarely-bright Jason Smith scores: “We’ve seen the wave of the future in the NFL. It’s not signing 2 or 3 stars to huge FA contracts. It’s identifying talent and signing a bunch of it to smaller deals and getting it to blossom in conjunction with drafting strongly. That’s how teams like GB and NYG are able to stay competitive year-in and year-out. Of the talent the Jets have lost so far, all of it was either needed or expected. Pace and Scott were done, and I don’t want to be the team on the hook for injury-prone Landry for 4 more years. Nor would I pay Greene for less than 4 yards per carry. So losing these players doesn’t bother me as a Jets fan. They have enough cap space to get guys with potential and a lot to prove, like Goodson.”

  99. By SQUIRREL on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    talk about a fire sale. can’t say I am upset. needed to be done. Ravens are doing the same thing they just happened to win a superbowl

  100. By Byrdman on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe- Cliff Avril is a 4-3 DE, not the best fit in Ryan’s 3-4 scheme
    He wanted 10 million a year in Detroit, they laughed and he signed for 2 years 15 million in Seattle. Good player, not in Jets budget or scheme.

  101. By IRA on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    I think the Keller move was a mistake and he will come back and burn us for sure. What does that also tell you about Sanchez they don’t even keep his go to guy. If Kolb is signed I think he will be the starter and if Garrard looks better in camp Sanchez just might be moved.
    Woodson signing not bad I just don’t see him as a number one RB. Colon for depth yeah but I would have rather kept Slauson.
    If Big Abe now signs with the Pats it will be a nightmare watching him and Leon next year. Oh we’ll back to the drawing board.
    GO JETS!!!!

  102. By Jetfan74 on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Great signing w/ Goodson not real sure about Colon. If he stays healthy than he should be solid for the price they paid. If they can reel in the killer B’s of Butler and Barnes, then we might be on to something at the OLB spot. The safety spot is still suspect but maybe Bush and Allen are ready to start. To those who will miss our oh so precious safeties, remember it has been a revolving door for the past 4 yrs!!! Keep the solid signings coming and in Idzik We Trust!!!

  103. By MIKE on Mar 15, 2013 | Reply

    Nice plays picking up Goodson and Colon. Colon will start at RG and Goodson gives the Jets a must needed big play 3rd down guy at RB. I would’ve rather seen Woodhead there but that ship has sailed.

    I am a little disappointed with Keller and Devito gone as well as Bell.

    Interesting to see the Jets 15 mil below the cap now with 5 mil tied up with draft picks and 10 mil left over. 6.5 of that already in the books for Revis, another 6 mil and they could keep him for a few more years.

  104. By Karan on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    I’m 50/50 on this Dustin Keller situation. Yes, he just signed with Miami but only on a one-year deal. The Jets could have at least offered that, they didn’t go after him considering theres a new west coast offense here now. However, at the end of the day, it was just a feeling off moving on from both sides. It just wasn’t going to work.

  105. By Karan on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Next order of business: Please re-sign Braylon Edwards and Matt Slauson. Then, try to acquire safeties like Dawan Landry or Bernard Pollard.

  106. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC. I am with you, people who want Rex gone.are theorists, Speaking logically who are you going to replace him with. Your correct he loves being Jets HC.unlike the Tuna who took the money and ran, Lets not forget the B-Bellichicken debacle he ran before it began, I believe he will do whatever it takes on improving this team. also believe Players new and old will tow the line as well, agreed Lets see how this year plays out at least with Rex we know he not dogging or running. I haven’t heard who the usual suspects want to replace him with.Who ever will want a kings ransom. we don’t have

  107. By IRA on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Boy oh boy the Pats are loading up this offseason but I think the Fish will give them a run for that AFC East Crown. Can’ t imagine what players like Mangold and Brick are thinking after watching a clean out of their team and what they are doing. It is the right move but its a shame for the veterans that are left what has happened.

  108. By Byrdman on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    No Revis trade yet – Sounds like Tampa is cooling off a bit, several other teams seemed to have completely dropped off the radar.
    A local writer suggested that if Idzik couldn’t hammer out a deal by last Thursday he would be considered “an Idiot”
    I think we finally have a GM that is shrewd, calculating and doesn’t jump all over the first offer he sees.
    Worst case scenario is that Revis must play another season in NY to prove he’s 100% healthy. A return to form and his trade value would skyrocket – Idzik would have the whole season to work on extending Revis’ contract, and still trade him next year.
    I’m telling you this new GM, he’s one cool customer!

  109. By Karan on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Trufant is an RFA. I would like to have him back on the team, mainly because he’s shown potential before he was injured, started a bit late, I believe he’s 30 now but does add depth.

  110. By Tom Spicer on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    SCJoe, Please try to ignore Tom 64 he is going crazy at this point. I agree with everything you are saying the Pats just signed Amendola & Sanders from the Steelers. Yes you build thru the draft but you HAVE to use free agency as well.

  111. By Tom Spicer on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    I am okay with cutting Pouha 34, bad back & 3.8 MIL off of the cap. I am okay with losing Greene he wasnt that good & he is not worth $3 MIL per year. I wanted Devito back but not for $4 MIL per year he was only going to back up Coples & Wilkerson anyway. I wanted Landry back but not at $6 MIL per year we dont have that kind of money. These next 3 I do not understand at all Yerimiah Bell took a 1 year deal for a $150,000 pay cut. Could we not have signed him for that to play strong saftey & groom the young saftey on the other side this year? Keller Miami got him for a 1 year deal. Why could we not sign him on a 1 year prove it deal? & the RB we signed from the Raiders (I forgot his name) he was the 3rd string on the Panthers & the 4th

  112. By Tom Spicer on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    string on the Raiders & can not stay healthy. We gave him over $2 MIL per year that is a big time head scracther! The 1 good signing so far is Willie Colon guard from the Steelers we got him for a third of what Brandon Moore would have cost us.

  113. By scjoe on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Kleckofan, the reason I said “finances notwithstanding” is to focus on my point about signing FAs in general, not just this particular year when there is a limited amount of funds. My point is there is a need to sign FAs, whether a team is comfortable with signing 10 in any given year, or signing 1 or 2. I really can’t understand why this debate has gotten so far out of control. The point is, every team signs free agents every year, always have always will. You can not build your roster solely through the draft, not with cuts, retirements, contract expirations, etc. It just can not be done, so why has this conversation gone on this long?

  114. By Stevesc on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe, point taken re: the teams you listed and what they’re are doing in FA. The difference is, the majority of the teams you listed were playoff teams, so it makes sense for them to plug in some good FA’s to maybe get to the next level so to speak… The Jets are not in that position as we all know. I’m a proponent of drafting first and filling in with FA’s after. I agree with those who argue that what the Jets have done in the past has not worked, otherwise we would have a SB by now. Even if this years team finishes 6-10 again, with a roster full of young players and no over the hill FA’s, that would be a huge improvement don’t you think? Let’s give Mr.Idzik the opportunity to put his plan in place and see what happens. IMHO.

  115. By scjoe on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Dr Frank, not one time in any of my posts have I ever said you have to sign FAs BEFORE the draft. What I have said, and will continue to say is you have to use free agency as a resource along with the draft, again, that is not opinion it is fact. That said, I did make a point recently that teams (many of them) fill needs before the draft and put themselves in a favorable position to select best available athlete instead of reaching in early rounds. Now, if anyone can not see the logic in that, I really don’t know what else to say to them.

  116. By Ronbo on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    MJV, unlike my boy Spicer i wont tell you to tune out 64 as I believe he makes some vaild points.On the other hand so do you.There is wisdom in both your posts.I can understand & feel the same at times as this ship has often appeared rudderless.I was a Rex guy too but I must admit the circus atmosphere that has enveloped the team has gotten old.I have no inside info but it would appear to me he’s gonna have to prove to everyone he is the coach you think he is as the deck looks to be stacked heavely against him as of todaty?

  117. By scjoe on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, Avril may have played a 4-3 end in Detroit predominantly, there is no question in my mind that IF you take the finances out of the equation (and of course I know you cant) Rex Ryan would be ecstatic to have a guy like him on the roster, whether it be as a 4-3 DE OR a 3-4 OLB The NYJ can and have used both formations. I believe he could play either position in Ryans defense. That said, I will agree with you that “this year” he is not in the Jets budget, but he would certainly fit, and fit well in their scheme.

  118. By Byrdman on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer – You may to have to ignore Klecko, Frank Falcone, Byrdman, and 2 or 3 others who favor building the team through the draft as opposed to the FA route, But…is that really why we come here?

    I think we all get frustrated when the Jets are losing and looking non-competitive. Then, we come on radar to share ideas, discuss the coarse corrections we think they need and sometimes just to “vent”

    Things can reach the boiling point when, piled on top of the loses on the field, we find ourselves at odd with our fellow Jet fans.
    It is a temptation to want any kind of Victory SO badly, that a guy dreads even the notion he has “lost” a debate here.

    It’s sometimes wise to move on (to another topic) before things get vicious

  119. By Tom Spicer on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Supposedly the Bucs have offered us a 2014 1st round draft pick & a 2nd round draft pick this year. But the Jets want a 1st & a 2nd this year. But the Bucs will not give up this years 13th pick. If we could get ethe Bucs to agree to a there 1st & 2nd this year I would be pumped. With 4 pick in the 1st 45 picks we can really put ourselves in a position to compete this year

  120. By scjoe on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, besides all of that, when I said Avril, I also said “for example” I meant it to make a point more then write Avril’s name in stone. There are many FAs available that would be great fits in the NYJ schemes, both offense and defense, that is my point, and I really can’t understand why so many people debate it. The common denominator is building a quality roster that you can win with, does it really matter who “originally drafted a particular player as long as he fits what you are doing?

  121. By Tom Spicer on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Tom 64, You are going crazy at this point pelase pass whatever it is that you are smoking cause you got the good stuff. Miami signed Keller to a 1 year prove it deal. So it was smart for us to not do the same? Than Goodson stinks cant stay healthy & we paid he over $2 MIL per year. That is a good cheap deal to you? I would not call that a good cheap deal honestly I dont think 1 guy on the radar will agree with you on that 1

  122. By scjoe on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, thank you for the much needed logic. I find it astounding how so many people can disagree with where I stand in free agency. It’s not like I am saying go out and sign every FA available every year and forget about the draft. What I am saying is EXACTLY what just about every team does every year. I understand about team finances in any given season, I understand that the draft IS the primary focus in building a nucleus, I get all of that, but for anyone to say they are absolutely against signing ANY FA is mind boggling!

  123. By scjoe on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Just trying to put this free agency issue in to it’s proper perspective, because for some strange reason it has gone on this long,.As I read the comments here on Randy’s Radar each day I would say that approximately 4 of every 6 posters list the names of available UFAs that they feel would be good fits for the NYJ. UFAs that they would love to see the NYJ sign. THAT is the majority. Now, I don’t necessarily agree with all of them, especially those that have already passed their prime, but forget all of that, lets just take a close look at what the NYJ have ALREADY done, even in this financially strapped off season> they-have-made-free-agent-signings! I rest my case!

  124. By GaryC on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Ira,ABRAHAM IS GOING TO WRECK HAVOC,he came in the same year as Ellis,who is already retired,how long before he pulls a hammy,I will take my chances on drafting someone,Ira,your allegiance is unforgiving,If all women were like you the world would be a UTOPIA.

  125. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    OK KleckcoFan I’ll give you your answer 1st FYI I’m not a big FA guy was making a point that point being two sides to every coin, Now your answer With Brett Farve ‘This team instantly became a better team if you remember we were 8-3 he threw 6 TD’s in one game than he hurt his shoulder game over for us, correct or not I like to call it Jet luck.. Next Bronco’s were back peddling along with TT and whoever going nowhere am I still correct, the very next year one big move P-Manning they went 13-3 got it yet ..If you want Rex gone so bad I’m still waiting on you and T-64 to come up with a viable replacement for Rex. Am I making any sense yet?

  126. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, how can you even mention the Jets in the same breath as most of those other teams? Have you failed to notice that those teams have, like, good QBs? O’s that can score pts? HC’s that don’t say nonsense like “If it was up to me, I’d just run the ball”? Ira, why are you just now getting it that Idzik doesn’t care who “Mark’s go-to guy” has been? Jeez, I know you guys are about my age but you’re acting a lot older! Like klecko says, what we’ve done with big FA’s and no depth hasn’t come close to working. And what’s really amazing is that you’re acting as if you don’t know that this is all part of a 2-yr draft plan to rebuild the entire team. Get real and stop whining over overpaid all these overpaid losers, this is all long overdue!

  127. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, the debate’s only out of control if you think this franchise is under control. I think this franchise is at one of its lowest pts ever — it can’t score pts, has no QB or WRs at a time when those positions rule, has indulged a HC who’s utterly out of step with how the game is played and has no idea what to do with the players he has, and is teetering on the verge of having to move out of its new stadium out of embarrassment. And yet you’re still talking like if we just sign Avril, keep Landry, and maybe pick up an OL or 2 in the draft we’re gonna be title game material. That delusionary quality is baffling and I’ve never really seen it from you. I still think somebody kidnapped the real scjoe and switched in this panic-stricken guy.

  128. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer, generalized personal attacks are the hallmark of a loser, so today you’re Loser #1. Go ahead, tell me why it’s crazy to tear down this team that isn’t close to competing, has to wait to be able to afford to lose its terrible QB and HC, has at best 10 players worth keeping for the future, and has become the laughingstock of the NFL. Right, it’s really URGENT that we keep Yeremiah Bell because over a couple of team breakfasts he’ll teach Bush and Allen how to become Darren Sharper. Karan, you get the Runner-Up Loser Award for today by getting excited over 5′ 9″ Trufant in an era when WRs and TEs are getting bigger, faster, and stronger. And Ira, what’s going to be hard about watching Leon return kicks, which is all he does now?

  129. By Ronbo on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    SPICER- I like & agree with your post above. I think you are right about the guys we lost and I agee the Bell loss was a head scratcher to say the least.I dont think Keller was any great loss as I am reasonably certian anyone we put in that spot will do at least as well as he would have and not cost us the money he was looking for.Obviously we were vindacated when you look at what he settled for.As for Goodson, he is relatively young(26) and there’s not a lot milage on his tires so he could be one of those “hold the fort” guys. He has a lot of giddy-up and is a completely different style R.B than Greene.He is excellent out of the backfield and on screen passes.He can also return kicks if we dump Mcknight.

  130. By since shea on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    How confusing is this? So far we have signed a 3rd string oft-injured RB, a guard who has seen his better years and a QB that hasnt played in 2 years? In doing so, we dismantled a decent defense from last year. Could we not have just replaced Scott and Pace? We already have Demario, so draft another. Maybe tweak the DL a little? The offense was the problem. So get an O Line to block, draft one of the beast TE’s and with an experienced OC, you never know. Now we need to rebuild an offense AND a defense. How many more years will it take now to become relevant?

  131. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    All kidding aside, let me state it plainly for those who still don’t get it: We’re not trying to compete in ’13 or ’14. Idzik didn’t take the job to pal around with Rex’s cast of busts and overrated vets. We need a new QB and we need to get it right this time. We need to build an aggressive, high-scoring O and that won’t happen with a few FA’s. We’re clearing cap space so we can draft a lot of good players, develop them, and have a core of guys that’ll wanna stick around a few yrs from now when they see a team around them that is truly close to winning big. Sorry if this is inferior to living in dreamland forever like some of you seem happy to do but when you can’t embrace real change, “Jack, you dead!,” as Louis Jordan so famously sang.

  132. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    And MJV, please tell me why you think Rex is the only HC for this team forever and in perpetuity. I’m surprised at you, you sound like a guy who can’t get rid of the chick that’s already made it with all of his friends and let him down in every possible way but still looks sorta kinda good some days if you forget all her other disastrous qualities…

  133. By since shea on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    We signed Goodson for what $2 million a year? Greene signed somewhere else for what $3 million? Does anyone honestly think Goodson is two thirds the RB that Greene is? And oh yea. Who wants Leon Washington anyway. He’s “just” a KR/PR. He cant really play on offense except for maybe quick throws from a west coast offense. We dont need that. Yea. Bellichick is really making a mistake isnt he. Wonder why the Pats didnt get Goodson first! Maybe they were too busy shoring up corner and strong safety.

  134. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Goodson, is not an Improvement over green, he’s just another plug in player to appease fans, don’t get me wrong, >>> I don’t think S-G is a very good back). just slightly better, 1st and foremost Green is a bruiser with average talent but I don’t see the upgrade with Goodson, I like Colon hope he works out.. .I want a NE mindset here in Jet nation . squeeze every ounce out of Welker then replace him with a slightly bigger clone, release D-Woodhead then replace him with a much faster more talented similar body, . good moves always recycling players for the better no moss grows under their feet

  135. By since shea on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    I did not think this team needed to be gutted. It was mis-managed by the brain trust of T and Rex and Woody himself if he was responsible for the Farve and Tebow follies. I lobbied for bringing in a real football man like Denver did with Elway. The real football guru would make all decisions, like Elway. Decisions to improve the team right away. Elway didnt gut the broncos. Now, they are my pick to win the SB. Shouild have won it this year if not for a bonehead brain freeze pass defense in the closing seconds. So, I know its early but what is Idzik doing?????

  136. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    And Spicer, here’s the big-time headscratcher: That you don’t know yet that the numbers on NFL contracts are meaningless. Didn’t you see that article after Flacco signed on how few QBs with $100 mil deals have ever seen that money? I thought we all knew that guaranteed money and money against the cap are the only two stats that matter. Goodson won’t even be here next yr if he can’t beat out both the mediocre RBs we got and whatever RBs we draft, much less ever collect anywhere near $7 mil from us. I really don’t understand this kind of panic at this pt. I know more than a few long-time Jet fans who say they won’t even pay that much attention until both “Mark” and Rex are gone. I don’t go that far, partly because I love what Idzik’s doing.

  137. By IRA on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    If anybody thinks Colon will play 16 games you are kidding yourselves. I could see them signing D Landry it would be a good move. They need to get a veteran safety besides drafting one.
    I was surprised that Revis got the bonus but I guess you can’t let that get in the way of making a deal that you will always be remembered for however it works out.
    Jets got lucky when they traded Keyshawn. Will they have the same with Revis?
    Fish fans think they are going to the SB this year. It’s amazing I think they will be a very good team because of their D and the additions on O but will Tannyhill grow or take a step back? That’s why they gave Moore 4 mill to be a good insurance policy.

  138. By Tom Spicer on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    What most of you guys are forgetting is the free agents that the Jets signed in the past that did not work out were 30 ish past there prime & overpaid. If you spend wisely for free agents, sign guys in there prime & dont overpay for them it is the best way to fill your holes cause you are getting proven guys on the NFL level. Draft picks can be total flops like Gholston need I say more!

  139. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    More of the kind of no-nonsense posts from Jet fans on the ESPN site that seem utterly beyond some of those posting here, in this case re Keller:
    “Couldn’t block to save his life… Wish him luck but I’m far from mad losing him.”
    “Agreed. He was soft. Plus, I like the move because he and Sanchez were good friends. Hopefully this means Sanchez won’t be around much longer.”
    And hey scjoe, read EA’s column on FA on this very site, on which he says the dreaded words that for some weird reason you can’t seem to grasp now that we’re finally, for the first real time in decades, doing it: You build thru the draft and augment thru FA’s — that is, when you have something worth augmenting…

  140. By scjoe on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    In the crazy world that is the NFL, and you could also include the NBA and MLB, it is quite obvious that a cool million dollars means absolutely nothing! Not to ANY of the owners and not to many of the players. The fact that Darrelle Revis was given a 1 million dollar roster bonus while they are actively trying to trade him proves that. As an avid sports fan, this type of behavior has become common place to me over the years, wonder what the average Joe who don’t really follow sports and is earning somewhere around minimum wage thinks about it?

  141. By GaryC on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Jetfantom,we know Rex has eccentric behavior,but I can give you some others,George Allen,Barry Switzer,Mike Ditka and these guys had some form of success,and talking about Rex talking out of two sides of his mouth,Parcells never did that,he just played the media for fools and everyone else,as if he was Einstein.

  142. By Carolina Jet Fan on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe,MJV-I enjoy your posts and have much repect for most on RR and this is not REX bashing— just my opinion.If a HC lose’s control of his team at the end of a poor season{ my recolection is that Shotty had to remove Holmes from the game as Rex did not know what was going on} I don’t who else is out there, that guy is no longer my head coach. One last point re: ” he gives us our best chance to win”-Mac plays last halve of last preseason game our only thrown TD in preseason,comes in late in game 15or16 after 3 MS pics and gets TD we win 7-6. I know he dos’nt have a cannon but I like the kid. Between the 3 we had last year I think HE gave us our best chance to win, but he was not drafted #5 in the 1st.

  143. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Love your post on Keller, fran’scan!

  144. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, I admire your cool, calm presence in the pocket in evaluating Idzik, while others here resemble “Mark” panicking at the first sign of trouble downfield. (All you needed to know about Sanchez was right there for you to see when he flinched like a little kid when that BUF CB faked coming at him.) What’s incredibly ironic is that we finally get a GM who’s more about action than talk, plays his cards close to his vest, doesn’t kowtow to our loudmouthed loser HC, and starts working on a plan to build a great team over the next few yrs. As thanks for that, he gets posts from fans who should know better who wanna know why we’re not going after Welker or Wallace, as if those guys would pay any more mind to our calls than Peyton did.

  145. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    For those who’ll jump all over me about WRs, I’ll clarify: Holmes should be dealt or cut eventually, as he’s not gonna be part of the future team that we’re building. He could still be great on a team that’s already a contender if he ever gets his head screwed on straight but none of that is our concern. Kerley has great potential as a slot WR. Hill has potential but needs a lot of work. So that puts us pretty near the bottom as far as WRs go, especially since “Mark” can’t throw accurately to any of them. Just more evidence that going hog-wild after a couple FA’s makes no sense for us at this time. What we need is to start thinking in terms of growing our own Watts, Longs, Matthews, Wallaces, and, yes, even QBs.

  146. By scjoe on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Stevesc, of those teams I mentioned some where in the playoff’s, some were not (Miami, Det, KC,) all of which have done a pretty good job of filling needs before the draft were not playoff teams. On paper the Dolphins improved tremendously, and I know the game is not played on paper, we will have to wait and see, but I would be shocked if the Miami Dolphins do not challenge for a playoff spot right down to week 17. Isn’t that really what it is all about? I have never downplayed the importance of the draft, my argument is simply the fact that you need to add free agents, before the draft, after the draft, 1st tier, 2nd tier, it don’t matter!

  147. By Karan on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, I agree with what you’ve said so far but as for Goodson, he never really got an oppurtunity to prove himself. I think he has sleeper potential so its not a bad signing. As for Bell, we never know but maybe the Jets offered him a contract, maybe they didn’t. Bell maybe didn’t want to return to NYJ, as to so far as taking a cut in $. I would have liked him back for one more year but clearly, the NYJ are trying to get younger. As for Dustin Keller, I concur, I can’t understand why they let him walk away. He received a one year-deal, they could have done that here, its a head scratcher and somewhat infuriating but I also got the sense that the time between the Jets and Keller had come to an end. Its unfortunate.

  148. By MIKE on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    The Jets should get busy over the next 2 weeks. Look more some help at OLB and S at bargain prices.

    The longer the Jets wait to trade Revis, the less chance he actually gets moved.

    Lets face it, with Revis they still won’t win 8 games. If he plays out his contract and the Jets get nothing, than Idzik is no better than Tanny. Just cheaper.

  149. By IRA on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Very happy to hear that Folk resigned with the Jets. I thoughts for sure he was a goner. I thought he would get an offer for at least 1.5 or better. I would be surprised if the Jets hit that number since they have shown in the past they don’t like to pay ST players like Feely ,Ihedigbo and Dearth. Lets see what happens with Purdum now.

  150. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    More of those great ESPN posts: “I love how Cimini trashed the Jets all yr and now that they’re cleaning house he criticizes that. Rich, you gotta pick one side or the other. And stop making it sound like the Jets are losing franchise-type players. Total hack.”
    “It’s comical [to call] Keller a prolific TE considering he got a 1- yr deal in MIA and I think many fans are glad to see our “1000 yd-rusher” Greene out the door. Keller couldn’t stay on the field and I’m personally counting down the days until Revis, who plays for the dollar and not the team, is gone as well. We’ll be in a much better place when Ryan and Sanchez are shown the door next. Their way didn’t work so it’s time for a new line of thinking.”

  151. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 16, 2013 | Reply

    Frankly, folks, this is how we should be framing the issue (more ESPN posts): “To be honest, Clowney is one of those rare, once-in-a-lifetime type of picks and regarding [other QBs] they’re all nice and all but Derek Carr will be the steal in that position next year.” “That’s why every pick you get for Revis should be for 2014. Clowney/Carr2014.” “Not to mention Rex and Marty will be shown the door. Why draft skill players this season and make them learn 2 systems in 2 years?” “Johnny Manziel is able to declare for the draft [next yr] too. Jets would be wise to take compensation for next yr’s draft. It’s gonna be like last yr, [lose] for Johnny Football or Clowney 1 & 2.” “There’s a 2% chance the Jets have the #1 overall pick [in 2014].”

  152. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    I have a prediction. if EJ-Manuel after bills or Raiders pick . he’s going to be our @9. I believe 1st 4-5 teams are set at QB Raiders and Bills are looking for QB so it’s far fetched but possible

  153. By carl on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    Hey , this is starting to look like the movie “Bad News Bears”. We are gonna end up with a bunch of rejects and castaways!! Wheres Tatum O’neal ? Oh thats right she was tryin out for kicker!!! Its gonna be a long year Jets Nation!!!!Just Go Faster Jets!!!!

  154. By GaryC on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    Fans loyalties to players kill me,get over it,do the players ever reimburse the fan that buys his jersey once they leave,My teenage years left a long time ago,adulation left with it,buy a Jersey and put on it Number 1 JetFan.To put on the name of a player who has no idea who you are,well.The players are making out quite well,the fans,oh yeah,their prices won’t be raised this year,the gift of having a lousy year.

  155. By Chicago Bob on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    Face it, we are going to struggle next year – makes no sense to take a QB from this years draft when it is almost a guarantee we have the option of taking better players who fill other positions of need when each of these QB’s come up. Take into effect the fact there are supposedly two QB’s (Bridgewater, Manziel) that will be available in next years draft that are already better signal callers than any of these available now. Throw in Fales & Boyd and you have 4 QB’s that come this time next year, are better options than any that we will have this year. There are a ton of holes to fill and Idzik & Co. need to take the best player & not the greatest need. We got burned taking that route with Golston & Sanchez & can’t afford to do that now.

  156. By MIKE on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    With Idzik being so careful and calculated with this years free agency, I think it would be pretty hard to believe they would take any chance on a Geno Smith in the 1st round even if he slips to 9.

    That goes for Jarvis Jones as well with his health issues. Thats too bad because I think if healthy he can be a Von Miller type player.

    Look for a safe pick this year.

  157. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, MJV, and others, I’m not interested in discussing this rebuilding process at any length with anyone who doesn’t see why it’s necessary. For the first time ever, the ESPN site looks like it’s filled with common-sense Jet fans and this site with dreamers. We have almost no talent. We had almost no chance to compete for even 8-8 with all these players you’re bemoaning the loss of. We have an HC who’s a joke, whose players won’t play for him, who doesn’t understand how the game is played in 2013. We have a QB who’s had a 2-yr free ride while looking like a H.S. QB. None of this interests me. I don’t care what our record is the next 2 yrs as long as we rebuild thru the draft and then add major FA’s once “we’re close” for real.

  158. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    Chi Bob, I don’t get what you’re doing on this site today. You’re just about the only one here who gets that really rebuilding takes a yr or 2 and has to be done with an eye on not just on what happens next September but what will happen 2 Septembers after that. Idzik is assessing whether it’s worth picking a QB this yr, next yr, or both. He’s not expecting to go deep into the playoffs until we have a QB who can hand off and throw to O weapons that we utterly lack now. I suppose it’s hard to get some Jet fans off the crack pipe of Mr T’s reckless Madden-playing and Rex’s endless bloviating about how “Folks aren’t gonna wanna play us,” etc. But someone with a brain has to try to save this franchise and right now that looks like it’s Idzik.

  159. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    I tip my hat to you, GaryC, for your post on fan loyalties. Frankly, I think it’s depressing to see that many folks on this site seem to feel that some of our most worthless, overpaid, underperforming players are their children, their friends, or something else of immense personal worth to them. What they are is disappointments at best, losers at worst, and the inability to unsentimentally recognize them for what they are and move on after a reasonable period of time has been, is, and will be the Jets undoing until this is no longer prevalent among the fan base. Fans get the team they deserve. Fans who are devastated over the loss of Leon, DeVito, Pouha, Keller, Greene, Landry, Y Bell, and others of this quality will inherit nothing.

  160. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    Tom64. your comments drift from point to music, politics, fantasy, and now prom girl scenarios, It’s bad enough we endure your SO many Tomfan since 64 look at me I can make up as many names as it takes to look kinda unstable, in disputing some ones opinion please do so in a coherent way not with imaginary diatribe, stick to point,please tell me when I said I thought Rex was our or only Chioce for HC. AGAIN, What all this started out 2b me pointing out what he has done for us and deserves a second chance in a new system being he had immediate success his 1st 2 years, looking at both sides unlike you and instead of inflicting venom, understand there were so many factors why this team has fallen from grace. Not only Rex, RIGHT OR NOT

  161. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    cont. I also made my point on why, for instance I said,, he loves being our coach and believe he will work in our interest meaning NY JETS interests , yes he made mistakes WE ALL DO. we also all deserve a second chance like Rex gave Sanchez, and now paying the price from fans like you and Kleckofan, for that loyalty YOU DID READ THAT PART RIGHT or do you just hear what you want? Mr TOM64 WHO’S IN IT FOR REAL is what I come away believing from statements like this just one of stage names, How about Tom64 Hamlet in progress.so give me a break with your school girl analogies, stick with football analogies no disrespect. Your opinion will hold more weight. I truly hope you finally heard what I’ve meant and or said

  162. By Byrdman on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe – Cliff Avril is a player I’m very familiar with living in MI. I liked him – he’s a classic prototypical DE edge rusher, and was drafted specifically as such.

    No Lion player benefited more from the presence of Suh than Cliff did.
    He produced 11 sacks, 6 forced fumbles and a Pick 6 in 2011 his stock was sky-high and you could see $$ where his eyes used to be.
    He was still under rookie contract when the Lions offered him 30M for 3 years – Avril turned that down thinking he’d hit “Free Agent Lottery”
    He settled for 7.5M/ year in Seattle, thinking the Hawks will reach the SB before the Lions (Jets) do.
    I don’t think he fits here for several reasons:
    1) one dimensional speed rusher/ average against the run.

  163. By Byrdman on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    2) Cliff’s production dropped off when teams adjusted to Suh’s game
    Jets don’t have an interior DT with Suh’s ability to penetrate and blow up plays in the backfield on this roster.

    3) Seeking a HUGE FA payday – foolishly turned down what Detroit offered (almost 2X what he’ll get from Hawks) indicating he’s not loyal to the team that drafted him or he doesn’t get good advice from his agent. Or Both.

    4) Too small to play DE in our 3-4 / Lacks back-peddle and coverage ability to be effective as a OLB Not a single blog or FA guru had Avril on Jets radar.

    5) Wants a SB – Seattle was one drive away last year and loaded with enough young talent to win the AFC for next 3 years!
    Jets are on the opposite end of the NFL spectrum.

  164. By danny on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    Well Tom64 I didn’t agree with u a lot in the past and I admit I believed the hype a lil to much from tasting Title games Rex 1st 2 seasons but I have to say I agree 100 percent now with what our new GM is doing. He’s cleaning house and gonna rebuild this team with the draft and let the young guys play then be active next yr in free agency when he see’s what we still need. Goodson is a nice pickup he has shown he can make Big Plays in the NFL when giving the opportunities. He is a nice west coast back who can catch the football and has the speed and explosivness to thrive in this Offense. He don’t have to be a every down back just a weapon for us. Letting Keller go shows MS is finished in NY getting rid of his favorite target.

  165. By danny on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    I also agree why spend money on these overpaid Vets like we always did in the past and got us no where. We have some good young talent on our team so if we add with the draft then maybe few free agents after draft we can see what these kids got then fill in each yr after. That’s how our GM is gonna build this team and i like the idea alot. We need to trade Revis and add draft picks. Chances are Rex may get fired next yr but if he makes this D this yr top 10 with young talent maybe he will stay on as D coordinator in the future where he belongs and is very good at. Who knows but I do like the decisions so far by our new GM and shows he has a plan unlike the erratic wierd moves we seen from past GM’s around here

  166. By Byrdman on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    I’m sort of an old school purist when it comes to the Jets and the NFL
    Back when Jets acquired Vinny Testaverde – I can remember thinking
    “Why take this washed up Int machine” “Why not draft and develop our own franchise QB” ??
    Vinny ended up producing the “Miracle” comeback and taking us to the AFC championship game – while being a decent and very like-able person.

    Had the Jets won the SB that season instead of losing in Denver, the trophy would have been slightly hollow for me since Vinny wasn’t drafted/developed here.
    For me the Dream Team isn’t the Miami Heat or the Eagles or those Olympic Basketball teams – IT’S A NY JET TEAM OF 53 PLAYERS WE DRAFTED AND DEVELOPED – that goes to the SB. Better yet if the coach is a NY/NJ guy !

  167. By Byrdman on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    Admit I’m a bit perplexed/disappointed with the FA’s we are acquiring – Unless Goodson, Garrard, Garay, are one year rentals meant to fill a hole in the roster until Idzik drafts our franchise QB, RB and DT and Guard

    There’s about 200 RB’s available at rookie minimum under the CBA
    in other words about 6 million less than what they gave Mike (who) Goodson.

    About 30 DT’s Minus Garay’s bizarre rainbow colored Easter Egg head
    are there for the taking. Nicki Minaj fans will LOVE this guys wigs.

    The QB class is “weak” compared to last year and the I-man wants competition in camp so I (kind of) get the Garrard signing.

    The way Colon has missed 35 games over the past 3 years he’s been nicknamed “Semi-Colon” (I’ll be here all week folks:)

  168. By IRA on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    Hard to argue but really can’t worry right now about the 014 draft. They still have to try and win games this year. It’s a tough task for Rex and the players and I am sure Rex will try and sell his players it’s us against the world mentality. It sure does appear though its about 014 and beyond right now
    GO JETS!!!!

  169. By kk on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    I know alot of you want rex gone but my hope is he takes this ragtag team and exceeds all expectations. I love a coach who isn’t afraid to say what he thinks even if you end up rolling your eyes. I’ll take passion and loyalty everytime. They’re taking every bullet out of his gun and I love under dogs. GO GET ‘EM REX!

  170. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t claim to be an expert on what it takes to build teams I’ll offer my opinion, luck plays a part, many hours evaluating players at the college and pro level.. a sixth sense for talent so to speak, I’m willing to bet more players taken in later rounds out number 1st round flourishing with longer and more productive careers by a Hugh margin, my belief in today’s game it’s impossible to build without the draft, Trades, and Free agency all three are necessary. So all three augments are valid..that said fans who truly believe Woody hired Idzik to sit back on his laurels,.Take 2013 off evaluating players, waiting until 2014 might as well tattoo out to lunch on their forehead,That’s not how things work,

  171. By scjoe on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    64, somehow I expected more from you, like addressing the issue at hand as opposed to referring to me as “panic stricken” and “delusional” and when it comes just one post below the one in which you suggested to Spicer that “generalized personal attacks are for losers” it becomes delusional in it self. But the reason you are describing me with such terms has become mind boggling to me. It is your “opinion” that the NYJ should not sign ANY FAs our own or other teams, you stated as much. I on the other hand contend that the NYJ and EVERY team HAS to sign them. So, in order to put this issue in to perspective, lets just take a look at what ALL the other teams, including the NYJ have ALREADY done. Hellllo, they have all signed FAs.

  172. By scjoe on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    64, Now, lets get in to the “rebuilding” issue. First, for me to completely comprehend and completely understand where you stand on this issue you first have to define “rebuilding” you say the NYJ, or at least their FO, has no intention of competing in 2013, maybe 2014 too. I say that is absurd! That is your opinion. Does “rebuilding” mean gutting the entire roster and replacing them with young, not yet in their prime FAs. Or is that strictly draft picks? Because I know where you stand on FAs and I KNOW you can’t fill a roster down 12-20 players with 7 draft picks. So, you see why I am so confused, not panic stricken, not delusional. Confused! Imagine all those PSL holders knowing the NYJ have NO intention of competing for the next 2 years?

  173. By scjoe on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    One more point on “rebuilding” 64, and I guess I have to beat that dead horse again to make this point. But it appears to me that the Indy Colts took a short cut to “rebuilding” in 2012, they went from worse overall to the playoff’s. Oh yea, that is because they drafted a quality QB, that is the reason you suggested they turned it around. Now, if that is where you stand you are basically admitting that you CAN “rebuild” and in record time with just 1 (ONE) single player. So, for the sake of argument, lets say the NYJ draft a QB this year and he turns out to be this years Luck, Wilson or RG III can’t they turn it around just as quickly as Indy did? Would you then consider them “rebuilt?”

  174. By scjoe on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, impressive list of the reasons you are not enamored with Cliff Avril, some I would agree with, some I would not. I certainly agree with #4, Avril is to small to play DE in a conventional 3-4. I never suggested he was. But first, remember, in my original post I used Avril as an example, I stated as much in that post. But aside from that, the NYJ used a lot of 4-3 schemes last season, I think that trend will not only continue but increase. Avrill (for example) would have been a good fit with Harrison and Ellis anchoring the middle, or another DT not yet on the roster. Now, #5 “wants a SB” don’t be so sure, if he is like 90% of all athletes, what he really wants is to be shown the money! Maybe I am wrong, maybe I’m not.

  175. By IRA on Mar 17, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t care who the players are I have been waiting 44 years and counting for another SB Crown so to me it would never be hollow. Plus Vinny was the Jets in that great 98 season.
    While I feel Revis will never play another down for the Jets and be traded soon I also said something weird will go down. Well now that the price for a top CB has dropped like a stock market crash I find it very hard to believe Revis will get his asking price. I could be wrong but his agents are going to have to lower the price and wouldn’t it be something if he resigns with the Jets for about 10-12 mill. I doubt that would happen but you never know.

  176. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    MJV, posting on this site is my break from work, which I do at home. When I’m sick in bed like I was Friday, the number of posts goes up markedly. As for style, I think it’s great that everybody has his or her own style of posting. I don’t say my style is the best or the worst but I notice I get a lot of comments directed at me and that’s the idea, to increase traffic on the site. I don’t really care who agrees or disagrees with me as long as I get a lot of information from all kinds of people who have their own styles. Today you don’t like my posts but danny does, works for me. As for Rex, 4 yrs is enough chances for me and I knew after the 2nd yr we weren’t going far with him or most of these players that we’re unloading now.

  177. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It for Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Ira, I’m glad you see that this is all pointing toward 2014 as much as it is to 2013 but I woulda been surprised if you didn’t see that. Everyone agrees the 2014 QB draft class is far superior to 2013. When I see a team picking up Garrard for cheap and, I’m hoping, only interested in Kolb for cheap, I conclude that they’re in no hurry to get the next QB to whom they have to give a big deal, especially when they’re already got one on the roster who has a big deal and has disappointed. I differ with you in that I think Idzik has to at least pretend to be that interested in winning games in 2013 but we both know that’s not his priority. His priority is putting in a long-term rebuilding plan that works and that he can one day take credit for.

  178. By 41 year fan on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    So we let Dustin Keller go ? So now we have 0 tight ends ? Someone that could catch the ball ? I just don’t understand the absolute lack of aquiring and keeping talent on this organization . We need to build a more loyal , dedicated team .. with talent …

  179. By 41 year fan on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    David gerrard at QB ? this organization absolutely stinks …Unacceptable …Why don’t we just get bubby brister along too…

  180. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    I’ll throw you this FA bone, scjoe, Heyward-Bey. Though picked too high and initially seen kinda as OAK’s Gholston, he got much better in a few yrs and did so with far from a desirable or even stable QB situation. He’s young enough that he could get even better in a yr or so and still be a factor on a competitive Jet team of 2015 or ’16 and could probably be gotten cheaply. With Holmes still recovering and likely to be gone next yr, Hill very iffy (as I don’t have to tell YOU!), and Kerley the only really proven WR we have, I can see a smart play for H-B, maybe a cheap 2-yr deal. But that’s really the only kind of FA moves we should be making in any number given the many positions we need to fix in a long-term way, i.e. thru the draft.

  181. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    And hey MJV, it took me all night to figure out what you meant by “prom girl scenarios.” If you mean my post about guys sticking with unworthy women as an analogy for guys sticking with unworthy HC’s, I think your curious faith in Rex proves such fruitless loyalties haunt more than a few men well beyond their high school prom yrs (which I don’t relate to anyway, because there was no prom at my high school during the tumultuous early ’70s in NYC). Also on Rex, GaryC, I view Rex’s “eccentric” behavior the same way I’d view that from somebody I hired or somebody in the government that my taxes support, i.e. as no laughing matter. There’s nothing amusing about sticking with the wrong players, failing to get them up for the biggest games, etc.

  182. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    P.S. to scjoe: That’s Kerley as the only proven WR we have who’s likely to stick around. I doubt Holmes will be here 2014 and if Hill doesn’t step up in a big way this yr, Idzik will have no qualms about losing him, especially if by then it’s been decided that he was Mr T’s biggest “Let’s move up to draft him” fiasco yet. But NO, that should NOT be taken as reason never to draft a WR high again! Luckily, with Rex handing over the O to MM and Rex likely to be gone less than a yr from now, the insane undervalueing of WRs on this team will soon come to an end. You wanna gripe about our lack of FA signings, gripe about how we can’t even dream of going after guys like V Jackson, Manningham, Welker, Wallace, etc. as long as “Mark’s the starter.”

  183. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    danny, I don’t know how long you’ve been rooting for the Jets, though I agree with everything you say today no matter how long you’ve been doing so. But as someone who switched allegiance from the Buffalo Bills, who had my first favorite player ever (dazzling WR Elbert “Golden Wheels” Dubenion) to the Jets in 1964 when my dad bought season seats at Shea, I can tell you that the Jets’ Fear of Youth/Fear of Relying on the Draft/Fear of Holding Penalties/Fear of Going for It on 3rd and short or 4th and goal are as deeply ingrained in this team’s culture as free speech and free enterprise are ingrained in the American culture. And as you can see from where it’s gotten us lately, that’s NOT at all a good thing…

  184. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman and scjoe, I never said that we shouldn’t sign free agents. In today’s NFL you definitely have to sign some for experience and to fill your roster. I just think I have had enough of signing mediocre talent for big money. If we need some mediocre talent to fill the roster, so be it, but for bargain prices. This year we are in such a salary cap bind we can’t sign high priced free agents, period. I also don’t think it would help us anyway. We have too many holes to fill! 2 or 3 marquee guys will not, I repeat will not, make us a winner in 2013. We must start basically from scratch and build a winner with a smart draft picks over the next 2-3 years, as well as sign free agents at bargain prices for now. When we are actually con

  185. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    contenders, then we splurge on a few players that will put us over the top to try and win the big game.

  186. By scjoe on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    64, your all over the place, when you do that you lose credibility. Now, all of a sudden you want to bring another 1st round bust (Heyward Bey) in as a FA. That goes against everything you have been saying for the past month. Sure, we could pair him up with Hill and have a 1st round bust and a 2nd round bust catching passes from a QB who himself was a 1st round bust. I am not so sure WR is a need position right now. I am not so sure Holmes is done here as you suggest. A lot is going to depend on who the QB is. That will go a long way in determining just how good this WR core really is.

  187. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, you reference the Colts. They had 7 new draft picks START for them last year. That is the way to take a short cut in my book

  188. By scjoe on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    A lot of people are talking about “gutting” the team and “rebuilding” to me, every team “rebuilds” to some extent every year. That is the make up of the NFL. Agree some teams have been “rebuilding” for decades now, including the NYJ. Consider this, some call the NE Pats a great team, BUT, if you were to take away just 5 of their core players (Brady, Gronk, Hernandez, Wilfork, Mayo) would they still be considered great? By the same token, if the NYJ were to add 5 quality players (including a QB) either through the draft or via free agency would that mean the 2 franchises just traded places? With just 5 players? Is that really “rebuilding” Make no mistake, that is NOT science fiction. (Indy, Wash, Seattle, Cincy)

  189. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Tom, I was thinking the same thing. Isn’t Sanjay Lal still the receivers coach? If so, they are familiar with each other. Not enamored with Chad S., and I would hope that DHB would be a little better. Need to get him cheap, though!!

  190. By GaryC on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Look,the people griping that we have no tight end,these teams basically know where the draftees are going to fall,I guarantee a tight end will be drafted,as for the jets themselves,they are picking at pretty much the top in each round,that allows for deals and to accumulate more picks,dancing with the right partner and knowing that partner needs to move up to get their player leads the jets in a deal from strength position,relax till after the draft,Idzik is the card shark,not showing his hand.

  191. By GaryC on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Heyward-Bey was lousy when Lal was the raiders coach,isn’t it funny he improved last year while Lal was here,Interesting.

  192. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I think “panic-stricken” and “delusional” are a lot tamer than the way MJV unloaded on me, in which he tried to tell me how to post and how not to. And yes, I think anyone who doesn’t want Rex gone ASAP is delusional, that’s not even worth debating. As for “panic-stricken,” go back and read your post of a few days ago as we started to unload all these mediocrities, you sounded more upset about that than you were about 24-0 at halftime vs PIT. So I don’t get why you see any of what Idzik’s doing as a big deal. H-B’s stats in 2011 (64/975/15.2) were better than Holmes’ best yr for us, he’s 26, I said a cheap 2-yr deal at max, and if you think our WR situation is good I guess you think our O is good too. I don’t.

  193. By GaryC on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    In the old days,their were 17 rounds of draft choices,so today,that means you have 10 rounds if not more of college free agents,more then enough to fill your roster,if teams do their homework,over 300 prospects that used to be drafted are there for the taking.

  194. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    As for IND, scjoe, even stripped down that team was continuing its Peyton-era tradition of passing first, we’re just now shedding Rex’s ground-and-pound idiocy. Luck was the best QB prospect in yrs in everyone’s eyes and they had the #1 pick, we have the #9 and there’s no one like that this yr. And as Dr. Frank says, IND started 7 DRAFT PICKS! If we start even 3 next yr I’ll fall off my chair, when we even HAVE 7 draft picks it’s a miracle! No doubt about it, if we draft and play guys that boldly and get a true franchise QB, we can compete much faster. I wouldn’t hold my breath on it happening, though — especially when the fan base can’t bear to part with legends like Greene, Keller, DeVito, Pouha, Landry, Y Bell, and of course “Mark.”

  195. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Back to the McCain comparison re Paul’s filibuster, scjoe, this post about NE/Jets/5 players is what I mean when I say I think I’m reading the body-snatched scjoe. “IF” we got 5 guys as good as BRADY, GRONK, HERNANDEZ, WILFORD, MAYO?! IF NE didn’t have them?! You might just as well say IF Tina Fey looked like Sofia Vergara, you’d ask her to dinner! You’ve been engaging in this kind of mental contortionism for days now. Why is it so hard for you to just accept that we’re not likely to seriously compete for at least 2 yrs, the focus should be on building a dynasty and not going 9-7 and losing the first playoff game, and that Rex, Sanchez, and this roster aren’t the future? Like I asked before, what about any of that do you find so terrifying?

  196. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t know, Ira, I see you trying to figure all the angles as usual but I don’t see Woody and Idzik giving Revis $10-12 mil long-term just to be able to say, “We’re not dumb, we didn’t trade Revis, don’t hate us.” And I don’t think the fan base, not even those in it who are as delusional as some sound right now, are gonna be all that grateful to see Revis in green and white next November when we’re 2-6, still can’t score pts, and are still the laughingstock of the NFL. I think you’re more on target about DR done as a Jet and I think that’s how Woody and Idzik sounded yesterday. A great post I shoulda listed from ESPN was this one: “BREAKING: Revis re-signs with Jets, immediately asks for new contract.” I don’t want him back at any price.

  197. By Ronbo on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    CAROLINA JET FAN, really liked your above post RE; Rex not knowing Holmes issues?& M.S giving us the best chance to win? CLUELESS! KARAN, why no Keller?Come on dude,ya gotta give up these man Crushes you have Did you not notice nobody else apparently wanted him either?(unless you think the 1 yr deal he got from the Fin’s was his idea of hitting the jack pot?)Keller is a 6-1 240 lb H.B!He is a lousey blocker with so-so hands.Guys like that are not in big demand.TOM-64, I resemble that remark that only 2 others here (Klecko &Byrdman)see the folly in us being contenders this year.Dude, I’ve been with you on that for months!DANNY, welcome back bro, we missed you! Now if we can just get BENNETT back on board!

  198. By Tom Spicer on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Tom 64, Me saying “you are crazy” & “to pass what ever it is you are smoking cause you have a the good stuff” is not a “generalized personal attack” it is a joke. Now YOU calling me A LOSER is a “generalized personal attack”. Before 95% of the guys that post on this site were posting I would get into it with Frank & we never called each other anything like you called me. Also for years SCJoe & I got into it & the worst that was ever said was “you dont know what you are talking about” on subjects that we would argue about. But no matter how heated it got we never got to the point where 1 called the other a “LOSER”. So you think about that & you tell me who is wrong?

  199. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    A very wise, common sense-driven post from a fan on ESPN in response to Cimini’s latest damned-if-they-do-damned-if-they-don’t story on the Jets re Revis: “Remember Tanny pulling his hair out after the Roscoe Diner? Like Rex, too many decisions made on emotions, which led to the Jets’ mess. Idzik is the opposite. No emotion. Perfect leadership, particularly as a Jets GM with media trolls always circling like rats at the harbor.” This goes to your post on fan loyalties, GaryC. Like inherited illnesses, excessive fan loyalty is something some of us just seem to have the bad luck to have been stuck with. Me, I’d trade Mangold if it meant building a dynasty. Sometimes I think the Jets’ theme song should be Otis’ “I’ve Been Loving You Too Long.”

  200. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Off topic just my resolution . Ok Tom64 fair enough, understood., But using girls or women as objects to prove your football talking points are uncool, immature, and shows a lack of respect for women . So back to football it;s been pointed out by me and others. I have no real problem you using lets say Jimmy Hendrix. congress, every scenario known to man in making your points , using so many names I feel for Randy keeping track,having to moderate so many posts . You have so far slandered 90% of our coaches players all should be gone by your standards and few here on RR with your opinions. I do agree we all have opinions agree or not. that’s the American way. MJV since 48 keeping it real

  201. By Tom Spicer on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Tom 64, What has Idzik done that has been so great? The 3 big cuts Pace, Scott & Pouha to me were all “NO DUH” cuts. We have $15,000,000 in cap space & have done nothing of note. We let Bell walk & he took a $150,000 pay cut. We let Keller walk & he took a 1 year deal. We signed Mike Goodson to a $2,300,000 deal per year. Arizona signed Mendenhall for a 1 year $2,500,000 deal. So for a extra $200,000 we could have had Mendenhall. Idzik has done nothing I REPEAT NOTHING so far to imperess me!

  202. By Tom Spicer on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Also if free agency & the draft is done right you can compete in 1 year. All of this 2 to 3 years stuff is garbage. Lets say the Jets had hit on a QB in the 2nd round & a pass rusher in the 1st round. If they would have held on to some of the guys the let go we could have made the playoffs this year.

  203. By Tom Spicer on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Pace, Scott & Pouha we had to cut them. I didnt want Greene back & Devtio & Landry just got way to much money. But we could have signed back Bell for a pay cut. We could have signed Keller to a 1 year deal. We could have signed Rashard Mendenhall for $200,000 more than we good Goodson for. With the above moves I mentioned & for example the Jets take Jarvis Jones with the 9th pick (pass rusher) & Mike Glennnon with there 2nd round pick (again as a example) if both of those picks work out with the same roster we had last year (including Holmes, Braylon & Revis) that team could have competed for the playoffs!

  204. By Tom Spicer on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Lastly I am a season ticket holder section 124 row 20 right behind the end zone. I pay thousands of dollars for my tickets & for my PSL’S. FYI I am a regular joe I an NOT rich. Do you think I want to go into next season knowing that “so far” it seems like we are not even trying to field a decent team. The last home game last year vs the Chargers in a half empty stadium. I could not give my tickets away let alone sell them. Do you think I want to go to the games next year in a empty stadium knowing my team has no shot to win paying thousands of dollars for my tickets & psls or even better getting abused by fans of other teams that will be at the games cause my team stinks! NO THANKS

  205. By Karan on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Welcome to the NYJ, Antwan Barnes.

  206. By Byrdman on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe – Do the Jets really use the 4-3 alignment that much? Don’t you think last season’s D formations were primarily due to Pouha’s chronic back condition and Ellis jury? Rex looked like he was desperately trying to find a front that could stop the run. As I stated Avril isn’t a run stuffer.
    Historically Ryans been a 3-4 DC, and since 09 jets have drafted D lineman who fit this scheme (Ellis NT Wilk, Coples as 3-4 DE’s) You’d think Rex would tell Tanny “No, I want guys that are better suited to 4-3″
    My point with the specific player you mentioned by name was he’s not that type of Hybrid tween-er that adjusts well to lining up with his hand in the dirt one series then switching to OLB and covering a TE. cont>>>

  207. By Byrdman on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    >>> Not that those versatile types don’t exist (dozens in this years draft at rookie price) When I saw the Name Cliff Avril I figured I could offer some insight having watched basically every NFL snap Cliff’s played and several Purdue highlites.
    Hearing Cliff’s interviews on local radio, and looking at what transpired lead me to the conclusion; Cliff planned on getting MORE than the 10M/year Lions offered. Since he did NOT re-sign with the Lions or accept a deal from Jax for 12M –
    I surmise that Cliff took the Hawks offer (half the Lion $$) to play for a contender on the rise.
    The local perception is Jets are a burning circus tent attempting to unload whats left of the Flying Wallendas

  208. By Byrdman on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    I watched an interview featuring Jimmy Johnson and Bill Bellichik – When the subject of free agency came up JJ spoke first “These guys are looking to cash in bigtime before they retire and head for the golf coarse, I want players that we’ve scouted and coached and know our system and believe it will result in a SB” BB chimed in “But, you took Charles Haley”? JJ- “I did,, you know why Bill- Everybody told me Charles was Smart, Real smart on top of being the best pass rusher in the game, I KNEW he’d fit in” BB – “Yeah I know what you mean, I learned that from you, we’ll draft a player that’s smart over a guy that jumps out of the stadium.”
    Interesting perspective from 2 coaches that have won what,,, 8 more SB’s than the NY Jets have.

  209. By scjoe on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Dr Frank, although you took out of context what I said to make your point about Indy having 7 draft picks start, at the same time you inadvertently proved my point that you can turn the ship around in just 1 off season, there is no need to go on a 2 year “rebuilding” mission. It all comes down to the FO, the last regime (MT) couldn’t get it done, it remains to be seen if this one can. Way to early to answer that.

  210. By scjoe on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Maybe one of those who are on this “rebuilding” bandwagon can explain to me how 30 year old oft injured Willie Colon, and 33 year old oft injured Antonio Garay, 35 year old oft injured David Garrard, and most recently 30 year old Antwan Barnes fits in to this “rebuilding” process that we are assumed to be in? If you truly are “rebuilding” why this particular group? It can’t be cap alone because there are younger FAs available at those positions who would come at the same cost OR less.

  211. By IRA on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Idzik’s plan can’t be too long term. He signed a 3 year deal and he knows starting 014 the clock is ticking on him.
    Glad to see they resigned Purdum and also Folk. Hopefully soon we will get the final word on Barnes that he has signed. Another stop gap guy for a year or two.

  212. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, Barnes is 28. Spicer, Idzik’s done what Mr T or Rex wouldn’t do, which is get real about this mediocre roster. Not bad for 2 months. As for your season ticket holder agony, my family were season ticket holders for a key twenty yrs in Jet history — ’64 to ’84 — and my attitude was if you want to see results in only a given yr, buy a ticket for a single game. Also, I try to tailor my jokes and rants for individual posters so if “loser” offends you that much, I won’t use it. Me, I’ve been called much worse on this site. Ira, only in Jetland does 2 yrs run the risk of being “too long-term.” If I’m Idzik, I’m thinking that I have to get the team seriously competitive in about 3 yrs even though Mr T made it seriously uncompetitive in 2.

  213. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    MJV, a special post just for you and your sisters on “The View..” Having read THE FEMININE MYSTIQUE at 15 and discussed it with French actress Juliet Berto (in French!) at the New York Film Festival at 19, I guess I figure that guys on a football site about 40 yrs later are still cool with a joke about who you’d rather have dinner with, Tina Fey or Sofia Vergara. So sue me for being one of the only NON-politically correct guys in Hollywood. Next time I think about the day I stood ten feet away to watch Hefner hand Steinem a check for $1 mil to fund NOW, I’ll think about whether I’ve forgotten any wisdom that she may have imparted that day. You happy now? Jeez, next you’ll be on me for saying I LOVED what Palin did with that Big Gulp…

  214. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    So yeah, MJV, back to football. If there’s anything I DON’T care about, it’s who agrees with me on Rex Ryan. This guy has done less with more than any NFL coach in yrs and come out smelling like a rose, as my last bimbo actress girlfriend used to say. (Oh sorry, I’m still in 12-step on that objectification thing!). He’s shown no ability to develop players even as they collapse into nothing before his eyes and in Sanchez’s case, I mean NOTHING, a guy who can’t even snap the ball vs BAL or keep from throwing into 4 guys every other game as Allan has so often pointed out. As for our roster, a good 70% of it is worthless or close to it so I see 90% of it as only a slight exaggeration of what I feel needed to be done to it and Idzik’s doing it,

  215. By Ronbo on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    BYRDMAN, pretty much everytime Coples was on the field the jets were in some variation of a 4-3. Coples is not stout enough at the point of attack to hold up as a pure 3-4 end.He’s a little bigger than Averil but not much.SPICER, not that i would stoop to that level but I mentioned a few remarks that you have made here that I felt were inappropriate to say the least.Sadley you chose to ignore my reply which I found disappointing(again, to say the least!) but I chose to take the high road.Some times we all need to be the bigger man.My feeling is we all come here to vent our frustrations & opinions.That does not give anyone the right to be-little anyone else.So knock it off boys!

  216. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Just kiddin’ ya on that Feminism 101 post, MJV. See, the Jets have been so terrible — and SO boring to watch, never more so than under Rex, and in an era in which pro football has never been MORE exciting to watch — that, yeah, I must confess, I’m incapable of going on this site and talking in just straight football terms. Too boring in a world that’s so alive with wine, women, and song. (If you don’t agree with THAT, scjoe, you’re no Italian in MY book!) The better the team gets, the more I’ll be able to focus exclusively on just X’s and O’s. You should be glad we’ve got Idzik, at least he’s on track to make that happen sometime before 2020…

  217. By GaryC on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    With all this too and fro back and forth with the posters,I am wondering where Joe Capps and Bennett are,my too favorite sparring partners,especially Joe Capps,seeing the Broncos signed Welker to help out the quarterback who has everything.

  218. By danny on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Tom Spicer why would you rather a S Green clone in Mendanhall ? Who can’t stay on the field and is not fit for MM’s WC Offense ? We need speed backs now that can catch the ball out of the backfield. Goodson never really had much of a chance but go look at his highlights he shows big play ability and lots of speed. He caught 40 balls with limited playing time. I agree with 64 again just yesterday I thought of Heyward-Bey as a cheap WR who seems to be finally becoming that number 1 draft choice he was. You put his stats up and that says it all. The guy can make some big plays for us I definitly think he would be a nice cheap addition. Titans released Hasslebech today I would love to grab him for 2 yrs to groom a young QB

  219. By Chicago Bob on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe: Best guess is Idzik contacted the agents of some of the younger FA’s and decided he did not want to commit the money or years they had asked. I can see why – with so many holes to fill I would be hesitant to sign anyone to a long term deal or big money as you do not know what this draft will yield. A lot of these older guys have agreed to 1 year deals – they know what their role is – just a stop gap until one of the younger players eventually takes over. Idzik is no dope, I am sure he is checking under every rock – he has a plan and is going to stick to it. After this year, they will have a better idea as to what they need and can spend money wisely. Idzik has only been on the job a few months and inherited a mess – give him a break.

  220. By Byrdman on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo – Avril is listed at 6″3″ 260 and was drafted by the Lions to play the classic 4-3 DE – Lions employ the Wide 9 rush on passing downs with Cliff lined up Outside the TE. I know this is all familiar ground for someone that spends a lot of time scouting potential draft picks, but I post it for others maybe not as well versed in football jargon. Pro-football focus has a decent webpage explaining the DL 0,3,5,7,9 Technique’s in case anyone’s interested
    Quinton Coples is physically much bigger, 6’6″ 290 when drafted as a 22 year old ( I’m thinking he’ll be 300+ next season) Most scouts projected him as a 3-4 DE, a 5 technique body type but with the speed and athletic ability to line up at 6,7,8 or 9 / Avril’s not that type player

  221. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    I’ve been wondering about Joe CAPS myself, GaryC, I have a feeling he’s laying in wait until we draft a QB in April. Then again, I said similar things about Ranger 46, but of course Ainge’s retirement may’ve kept him off the site. What a shame about Ainge, if he’d stayed or gotten straight he might be competing for the starting job now. As he said the yr Sanchez was drafted, “Nothing is written in stone” and indeed, it ain’t even gonna be written in ink as far as Sanchez goes about a yr from now.. Maybe Bennett’s waiting on Rex getting fired, he seemed to have a lot to say on that score Some of the longest-running Jet fans I know are paying very little attention until both Rex and Sanchez are gone. They are what you call realists.

  222. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks Tom64 you proved my point my sisters ? another statement which makes no sense or football related. I have Daughters sonny boy, I wouldn’t want any one using them as an example using idiot theory’s or imaginary antidotes has nothing to do with the View WOWSA get a life, sounds like your bitter from being left at the aisle one to many times , I have np with your problem with Rex, just as long as your have np with mine,. Rex gets fired so be it won’t be the beginning or the end of the team. NEXT >>>>>>>>

  223. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 18, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe, we’re rebuilding with older slower Fa’s than we let go. all injury prone, can’t wait to hear their comments on all the rebuilding going on, I’m laughing from the know all statements made by the few here already have the plan down before it’s inception, waiting and watching Idzik clean house in putting their plan in place, problem being it isn’t the younger faster version it’s the geriatrics version. Oh right wait until 2014 fire Rex hire lord knows who… Can’t, wait to see how it all plays out I do hope for the best. so far it’s not looking to good

  224. By GaryC on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    JetFanTom,name dropping again,let me know if you came across Anouk Aimee in your travels during the 60’s,French Pastry in it’s finest form.

  225. By Tom Spicer on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    Gary C, Joe Capps is in hiding you will never hear from him again on this site. Because he was proven to be 100% wrong.

  226. By Tom Spicer on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    Tom 64, Knower of everything & anything. I can not buy my Jet tickets & only buy single game tickets like you suggest. But I will still owe the Jets the thousands of dollars for my signed PSL contract that they will look to collect on with the inferior product that it so far looks like they are going to put on the field.

  227. By GaryC on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    Tom Spicer,we will see Joe Capps at the induction ceremonies of Peyton Manning in about ten years,who knows,he might give the presentation speech.

  228. By scjoe on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    Chicago Bob, your best guess is that Idzik has contacted the agents of the younger FAs available, that’s fine, because guessing, speculating, and giving opinions is mostly what we all do here. But what concerns me is when you said “give Idzik a break” what have I said to indicate I haven‘t? In recent posts to a couple of different people in another story, I wrote this> “I liked the signing of Idzik, and he has done nothing so far for me to change my mind, however, he has done nothing extraordinary (yet) either. Sure, he has managed to stay calm and collective as Ron pointed out. And? It is way to early in the process to either rave about him OR crucify him, lets give it more time.” That can hardly be classified as NOT giving him a break.

  229. By Ronbo on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    BYRDMAM, yeah, no doubt Coples is taller but he actually played at 275-280 so his body type is simular to Averils. No doubt he will beff up a bit but he will never look anything like Mo-Wilk.DANNY, again welcome back. I thought your post to Spicer re’Mendenhall vs S.Greene was dead on!(I actually said the same thing to him last week)SPICER&MJV, I know Idzik is not blowing anyone here away with a bunch of sexy signings but CHICAGO BOB makes a great point about why he is doing it this way. Like the guys we let walk alot of the younger guys are looking for big multi year contracts.Due to our opast failures we are not in posisition to do those type of deals this year.But as S.C.Joe says, we need to fill out a roster this year.Sadly, signing-

  230. By Ronbo on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    - cont.- guys like Garrard,Goodson ect, are simply stop gap-hold the fort guys we will no doubt be looking for more guys like this as they wont pose the same problems guys like Sanchez,S.Holmes and even D.Harris now present as they take up way too much cap space for what they provide us with.

  231. By scjoe on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, I think you just may be overanalyzing what a guy like Cliff Avril at 6’3 260 lbs could or could not bring to the table for the NYJ just based on how he was used in Detroit. I believe that money was the #1 deterrent when even thinking about signing him. That’s my opinion yes, but that is all we here on RR CAN offer. Yes, he was signed by Detroit as a prototypical 4-3 DE. That has been established. But no one can tell me that “if” Rex Ryan had this player on his roster that he couldn’t, or wouldn’t be able to utilize him “as a pass rusher” in any scheme he feels most comfortable with, whether that be a 3-4 OLB a 4-3 DE or any hybrid of his choice. Say what you like about Rex Ryan and his HC ability overall, but he knows defense.

  232. By scjoe on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    MJV, see, that is what I am confused about as well. The cap is what it is. I get that. No one knows what Idzik’s long term plan is yet. But for me, as a NYJ fan, I expect the team to compete as best they can EVERY year. You can use the term “rebuilding” if you see fit, I don’t! That said, why in the name of everything holy do you go out and sign 4 or 5, 30+ guys with extensive injury issues. Why not, at the same price, or near the same price sign either your own who at lest know the system, OR younger, not yet in their prime UFAs who “may” be in a position to offer something long term? Maybe there is a method to the madness. For the answer to that riddle, we will have to take a wait and see approach.

  233. By Chicago Bob on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe: I did not phrase it properly – it was meant to all of those who are criticizing Idzik. I think for the first time in years we have someone in place who has a clue. I cannot count Parcells as I think most of us knew he was not going to be here very long.

  234. By Ronbo on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe,I’ll be your “huckleberry’ in regard to your post to MJV, Lets assume Colon 29 replaces Moore(33)-Goodson & Greene are both 26 but Goodson is a much better fit in M.M’s W/c offence and came cheaper than what Greene was looking for from us.Garay 34 replaces Pouha(34)(also an injury waiting to happan)Barnes 28 replaces Pace 33 or B.Thomas 34.I’ll give you Garrard but the point is although we are only marginally younger they are less money and most importantly short term committments.I know you dont want to hear this but this is about 2015-2015.2013 will be a tough one to endure.

  235. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    How great that you have daughters, Spicer, mazeltov, as they say in the religion observed by just about everybody where I grew up in Queens but me. But please understand, some of us have made political and business decisions on behalf of women for the last few decades and risked the wrath of quite a few others in the process, so we don’t like being called immature just for making a joke about women now and again. Don’t say I didn’t warn ya when the thought police banish “Can’t live with ‘em, can’t live without ‘em” from the public square. And thanks but no, marriage in the traditional sense is not for me at this time for a variety of good reasons. P.S. The part about “The View,” a show filled with harpies I can’t stand, was a joke, bro…

  236. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, I have met Aimee, in fact, in ’98 or so when she spoke at the Academy during a celebration of the Cannes Film Festival. She was, er, a woman of a certain age at the time — let’s just say older than most people in this site, including me. The friend I was with had his Vegas bimbo girlfriend, less than half his age, on his arm. (I had a somewhat older woman with me.) After Aimee walked out onto the stage, looking great, and greeted the crowd with a charming introduction in perfect English, my friend whispered to me, “I’d date her.” Great actress, great lady, great person all around as far as I can tell. If only Marcello could’ve been there with her…

  237. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer, I feel for you on PSLs, which are think are the most vile things invented since the Archies. But I still think that when you choose to be a season ticket holder, you’re in it for the long term. Don’t you remember how we’d make fun of all those old-timers in the ’60s and early ’70s, clinging to their Giants seats even though the team was a laughingstock? Well, the Giants started doing okay about 15 yrs later, hopefully we’ll get back in it for real a lot sooner than that.

  238. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 19, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer. I sometimes disagree with you. well I’m 100% in your corner with your last 3-4 posts. I feel for you as a season ticket holder I’m so very glad I unloaded mine years ago, I believe Idzik has a plan, plus better GM than Mike-T he did a good job in Seattle. But I have to tell you I’m starting to worry not only I believe he could have made at least 1 or 2 good to decent moves by now. Colon Barnes Goodson . I’m more intrigued with the Three we signed DE CB W/O from the Canadian league.we shall see

  239. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    …y’know, MJV, as in “Sisterhood is Powerful,” “Sisters Are Doin’ It for Themselves,” all that post-feminist era sloganeering that meant so much in the ’60s and ’70s but sounds so silly when it comes out of the mouths of the gals on “The View,” who wouldn’t know what ordinary women go through if you threw it into the back seat of their limousines? I’ll be happy to tell your daughters about all that someday, and how people like me were the first generation to have mostly female professors, largely female bosses…and who went on to hire a lot more women than the generations of men before us. For all those reasons and more, yeah, I still reserve the right to joke about my preference for Sofia Vergara over Tina Fey.

  240. By GaryC on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    JetFanTom,a little name dropping myself,true story,down in Nashville a number of years ago on a tour with my girl,our tour guide takes us to the Hermitage hotel and says a famous person resides at the hotel,he says sometimes he is seen in the lobby,person is the famous pool hustler,Minnesota Fats,he talked to me about Gleason who played his character,also have a photo together with him,before he passed away.

  241. By scjoe on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, I loved the movie Tombstone too. I can here it now, Doc Holiday to Johnny Ringo “I’ll Be Your Huckleberry” Now, when I was talking about the recent raid at the retirement home, I didn’t include Goodson, long term, short term, or anything in between that IS an upgrade to Greene. But the rest you mentioned that are near or over the age of those not resigned is where I’m confused. I just don’t see that much savings cap wise, and our own (especially on defense) at least know the system, so is it really just a trade off?

  242. By scjoe on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Interesting you mentioning Minnesota Fats. I saw him in the flesh myself along with the also late and great Willie Mosconi back in the 60s at an exhibition at the old 7-11 pool room on 7th ave. If you play and follow pool/billiards you may remember some other names like Paul Crane, Luther lassiter, Frank McGown, etc. I saw most either at 7-11 or, if you and 64 remember, Jacy’s billiard academy just off Main street Flushing. Jimmy Catrano and his son Jimmy were also great pros.

  243. By Ronbo on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.JOE,Yeah,some movies have moments that make them memorable.That was one of my favorite lines ever! Here’s how I see the recent signings; No they are probably not any major upgrades in terms of talent.Though I think Barnes cant be any worse than either Pace or B.Thomas? Garay is actually a decent player.I went on S.D’s site & they are alot more ticked about loosing him than we are about loosing Pouha.As they are both 34 & oft injured lets call it a wash.Colon is a big physical guy,4 yrs younger than Moore.Worst case a sleight down grade? But heres the good thing, all those guys lost would have been looking for longer term deals than they have or will wind up with. Keller got a lot less from Miami than he wanted from us.

  244. By scjoe on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, I hear ya, although I will say this, Colon is about as big a risk as you can possibly imagine. Moore could have been penciled in to start every game at RG, do his job serviceably, and account for little or no penalty’s. Lets see how it goes with Colon. Goodson could turn in to a decent choice, at least short term, the rest, as you suggested, could be termed a wash, which lends the question, what’s the point?

  245. By Chicago Bob on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    I keep reading where Tampa does not want to give up this years #1 – if that is the case fine, we will take your #1 and #2 in 2014. I can’t blame Idzik for sticking to his guns on wanting that #1 for THIS year. With the #9 and #12 this year, the Jets can address two huge holes (OLB & OG). They most likely would not get the top rated OLB however there is a good chance they would get the best OG with the #12. You would think that with the market for free agent CB’s being lower than expected (dollar-wise) this year, it would be in the Jets favor as far as signing him to a more cap-friendly contract or at least making other potential suitors for Revis think that way and make them more inclined to trade. Tune in tomorrow.

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