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Jets: No Comps; Picks in Rounds 4-7 Firmed Up

Posted by Randy Lange on March 20, 2013 – 9:32 am

You may have seen the list of 32 compensatory draft picks awarded to 16 teams earlier this week. You may have also noticed the Jets are not one of the 16 teams. That’s because the picks are awarded based on teams losing more or better compensatory free agents than they acquired in the previous year.

The 32 new picks will supplement the 222 choices in the seven rounds of the draft, which will kick off in primetime for the fourth consecutive year with Round 1 being held beginning Thursday, April 25, at 8 p.m. ET, Rounds 2-3 for the next day at 6:30 p.m., then Rounds 4-7 on Saturday beginning at noon.

The NFL reminds that compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.

The league also mentioned that two clubs this year, the Giants and the Colts, will each receive a compensatory pick at the end of Round 7 even though they did not suffer a net loss of compensatory free agents last year. Under the formula, the compensatory free agents lost by these clubs were ranked higher than the ones they signed (by a specified point differential based upon salary and performance).

The most important aspect for the Jets regarding this year’s comp list is that their positions in the final four rounds on April 27 have now been firmed up. Here is an unofficial revised list of the Jets’ picks based on the number of compensatories awarded this year from Rounds 3-7:

Round 1 — 9th in round, No. 9 overall

Round 2 — 8th in round, No. 39 overall

Round 3 — 10th in round, No. 72 overall

Round 4 — 9th in round, No. 106 overall

Round 5 — 8th in round, No. 141 overall

Round 6 — 10th in round, No. 178 overall

Round 7 — 9th in round, No. 215 overall


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82 Responses to “Jets: No Comps; Picks in Rounds 4-7 Firmed Up”

  1. By Karan on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Slauson not being re-signed thus far worries me. Callahan is recruiting him to Dallas while I type and he has been before that. The Jets need this guy, with Moore most likely gone, the Jets need the younger OLineman back. We don’t have enough depth even with Slauson re-signing so imagine if he leaves for Dallas. At least this guy is a solid player, still working to get better every year. I’m happy with the Colon signing but please retain Slauson. I know patience is a virtue but I hate the fact that Dallas and even the Giants are lurking on this signing!!

  2. By IRA on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Too bad the Jets didn’t pick any up. I do expect Idzik to trade down a few times during the draft to pick up an extra pick or two.
    GO JETS!!!!

  3. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    “Ryan also told the newspaper he will be more involved in the defensive meetings during the week, a return to “my roots,” as he called it. This contradicts the philosophy Ryan espoused last offseason, when he made a concerted effort to be more involved in all aspects of the team. He will lean on longtime running backs coach Anthony Lynn, who has been promoted to assistant HC/offense.” Thus, Rex heads into his lame-duck yr going back to what he knows best — indeed, to all he really knows. This is all this guy is ever gonna amount to as a HC, folks, which is why after next yr he’ll never be an NFL HC again.

  4. By GaryC on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    they said on the Nfl network,next year the jets will get a bushel of picks,that is why they will not sign any high end guys this year,and also with the hopeful Revis deal.

  5. By GaryC on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    So Rex will call the defense,I said in an earlier post do not get to excited about Thurmond as your defense coordinator,seeing he was a defensive backfield coach when the cowboys secondary was lousy and still is.He is probably coordinator in name only.

  6. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Ira, I saw your post on ESPN on how Kolb will cost $2-3 million a yr and while I think that’s an accurate guess, I’m not sure it’s worth it. Does anyone really prefer trying him as QB rather than just drafting one this yr or at the very least drafting one very high next yr? So that makes my favorite post from the ESPN site this one, from somebody else, in response to somebody who said Idzik “hasn’t done anything yet”: “How fast have you forgotten our GM used to be Mike Tannenbaum? I know you can’t put Idzik on a pedestal because there’s a lot of work left but can you let people enjoy the fact that their GM is competent?”

  7. By scjoe on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    At last count Bill Belichek has signed 5, count em, 5 UFAs. I would bet the farm there will be more. I guess he never got that memo about “building through the draft” Oh yea, if you are going to go that route, you will never be a quality contender long term, and lets not forget, NE is a good team, they only need a player or 2, unlike the NYJ who need 12-15, helllllllllo! Where did NE rank in defense in 2012? Where did the NYJ rank? Why does this strategy work so well for NE, but according to some, will never work for the NYJ? It is NOT how you acquire them, it is WHO you acquire!

  8. By Tom Spicer on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    ESPN New York reports the Jets are in “no rush” to trade Darrelle Revis, and are willing to let the situation play out until after the draft. Per reporter Rich Cimini, GM John Idzik is “content to wait for 2014 compensation.” The apparent thinking is that it would be better to have multiple first-round picks in a draft that’s expected to be much richer in QB talent. It’s a rare bit of patience and foresight from a Jets team that was often hasty and ill-considered in the final years of the Mike Tannenbaum era. A pre-draft trade is still possible, but someone is going to have to knock the Jets’ socks off

  9. By Tom Spicer on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Jets coach Rex Ryan admitted it’s “certainly a possibility” Santonio Holmes (foot surgery) is limited in training camp.”The main thing is, I just hope he’s ready for opening day,” Ryan said. “That’s going to be the goal.” Reporter Rich Cimini believes Holmes could be placed on the “LaRon Landry Plan,” taking limited reps all throughout camp. Missed time would be missed opportunities for Holmes to get comfortable in new coordinator Marty Mornhinweg’s offense. Holmes has never played in a West Coast system before.

  10. By Karan on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Glad to hear Rex will be calling the D plays again.

  11. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Okay, folks, the DAILY NEWS just said that a Revis deal is imminent, with us getting a #1 and #3 this yr and a #4 next, if I remember correctly, and Revis getting $11-$12 mil a yr. Let the bloodletting begin –but I say take this deal and don’t look back!

  12. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Two steps forward, one step back, scjoe, the nature of all progress — just when I was starting to agree with you, well, it IS a little hard to forget that NE is perpetually only a few players away and right now we’re about half a roster away. Like I said, take it up with Eric Allen, who thinks building a base thru the draft and then carefully picking select FA’s is the way to go. I agree with him and a whole lot of other folks who never again wanna see any hint of Mr T’s “quality over quantity” foolishness. GaryC made an excellent pt the other day about how if college produced good enough players 45 yrs ago for a 17-round draft, we should certainly be okay with getting more than 7 picks and going aggressively after UFA’s today.

  13. By Tom Spicer on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Randy, To Gary C’s point I never thought about this but he makes a good point. Greene, Keller, Devito, Bell & Landry all left via free agency. Do we get a draft pick next year for each of them? Or how many draft pick will we get for losing them?

  14. By Randy Lange on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Tom, I wish I could provide the formula for the NFL’s awarding of compensatory draft picks, but it’s a deep, complex secret. What the league says is that “Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.” There is no way of knowing now how many compensatories the Jets will get a year from now in the ’14 draft, but based on the losses of UFAs so far this year, it should be more than a few.

  15. By kw65fan on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Karan..Rex always called the plays Pettine was up in the box outlining situations for Rex. Now he thinks he knows it all so that is why he is in Buffalo. scjoe…get a grip will ya. Sure NE picked up some FA’s…they also lost some and have plenty of room under the cap to do so. There’s a reason for everything.

    All I want to see from me here on till draft is to sign Slauson…sign either Pollard or landry…but prefer Pollard who is younger.

  16. By scjoe on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    64, 2 things to remember about GaryCs point about that once upon a time 17 round draft. 1- there were only like 12 teams in the league, not 32, and 2-with the technology then not being what it is today, and the quality of the athlete not what it is today, did it really matter?

  17. By GaryC on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe,I listen to Felger and Mazz,those Boston sports talk guys,they are not thrilled with Amendola over Welker and to crazy about the other signings,they pray Wilson has something left.

  18. By Ronbo on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    SPICER, the compensation formula is a little skeetchy but basically the NFL looks at who a team looses against who it signs.For example, as S.Pouha signed for about double what we paid Garay we should get 1 there.And Moore will no doubt get more than we paid Colon,S.Greene got more than Goodson, plus Keller & Landry so if I had to guess right now I’d say we could possibly be looking at at least 5 comp.picks.That can change if we make any major signings but its not looking that way now.

  19. By russ on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Slauson leaving to join his pal Callahan at Dallas is …a good thing. He never was able to fill the shoes of Kendall and Faneca, never a clutch guy on third down..Hopefully our 1st round pick will fill this spot for 10 years…

  20. By Byrdman on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe – you’re killing me, have you looked at who the Pats signed ?
    They replaced pieces to a SB caliber team that signed elsewhere as FA’s
    Amedola for Welker / Wilson for Chung / Leon Wash. for Welker’s PR
    plus a couple of nobody’s for depth.

    BB intended to keep a loaded team favored to win a SB next year intact.
    Do the math – 53 man roster, 6 -7 developmental practice squad = 60
    How does the signing of 5 (count em:) FIVE replacement parts turn BB
    into the Free Agent Monster of Massachusetts ?

  21. By Byrdman on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    One thing to keep in mind with this draft, John Idzik finds high quality
    Starters like Chancelor and all-pro CB Richard Sherman in the fifth round.

    Under the former ” Draft Wizzard of Florham Park” aka Mr T. You could
    plan on anybody drafted beyond the 3rd getting cut in camp.

  22. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Well, scjoe, GaryC’s referring to as early as 1964 or so when there were, what, 8 AFL teams and 8 NFL teams? But still, considering the enormous growth in pro football since then, I think he’s got a pt. Randy explained to us a few yrs ago on this site that the lower number of picks was decided by both the NFL and the players so as to enable more college guys to make their own deals. I think it’s hard to argue that there isn’t a lot fo value to be had by way of UFA’s. Certainly there ain’t much difference between a 6th or 7th pick and a UFA.

  23. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Rex’s statement proves my point, he will do whatever it takes to help this team win .I’ve said repeatedly . He has humbled himself this only proves his Ego is a thing of the past. and now with MM running the Offense. Idzik running the Business end, Rex will excel at what he does best Defense. I for one am glad Rex will be running our D, That’s a move I can live with. Now if we can pick up some players worth having, competing this year is possibility. Rex may be here for years to come.given control of D

  24. By scjoe on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    KW65, I think I have a pretty good grip. So, NE lost some free agents, so did the NYJ, NE has some room under the cap, the NYJ have almost as much as of right now, so what’s your point? But I do agree that Rex has always called the plays.

  25. By scjoe on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, those Boston sports talk guys may be right, they may not be, time will tell. But the real issue is that NE wastes no time, they go out and they fill needs. They use free agency as a resource, I have seen no problem over the years with them doing that. If you have been reading my posts this past month, and I know you have, you can see that that is the point I try to make, NOT that the draft is not thee most important resource.

  26. By uncle joe on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Hey Randy, do we own our 4th rounder this year or is it Denver’s for Tebow?

  27. By Randy Lange on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    uncle joe, all the transactions in the Tim Tebow trade were concluded before the 2012 draft. The Jets sent last year’s fourth- and sixth-rounders to Denver and got a seventh-rounder from the Broncos that they then sent to Seattle as part of the tradeup for WR Stephen Hill in Round 2.

  28. By SCfromNY on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    NE has a great offense! Seems a given but that gives you more room to do things. NE’s D was rated much lower than the Jets BUT the Jets allowed more points. Keeping you D off the field with a dynamic O will always make your tam better. I have no problems with the players released except maybe DeVito. I would have liked to see a high quality pass rusher and Safety signed as free agent since we need more than 1 of each and you can only draft so many.

  29. By GaryC on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe,why is it whatever the patriots do is always the right thing,when was the last time they won a super bowl,Their wondering why they signed Arrington to that contract,just because a pothole gets filled doesn’t mean it will stay filled,just because the pats act quick to fill a hole doesn’t mean it will be the answer.

  30. By scjoe on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, I don’t know, maybe I am writing in Chinese here. It’s like some people take everything I say out of context, with total disregard to the point I am, and have been, trying to make for a month now. i.e. Cliff Avril (for example) That POINT is to debate, discuss, or to contradict, which ever term you favor, those who are so dead against signing ANY UFAs PERIOD! Now, NE is a perennial contender, they-sign-UFAs! So does SF, Seattle, Balt, NYG, and most other teams as well. Who they sign, how many they sign and how they work out ARE NOT THE POINT. Just like Cliff Avril, NE signing 5 count em 5 UFAs. WAS MEANT TO PROVE MY POINT! And guess what? It did! What am I missing here?

  31. By scjoe on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC (see above post to byrdman) but besides that, NE is a perfect example to prove my point about the need to sign UFAs. Why? Because whether you want to hear it or not, they are one of the elite almost every year for more then a decade now. It is all about winning, THEY WIN! Now, if you or Byrdman want to compare Welker to Amendola now, at this point and time, be my guest. Me? I will wait until seasons end and see how they, along with all the other UFAs work out. To answer your question as to when NE last won a SB…It was NOT 44 years ago.

  32. By scjoe on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    64, can’t really recall, but was there 17 rounds in 1964? I do remember that the NFL and the old AFL both choose the “same players” then those players made their choice.

  33. By Randy Lange on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe and fellow draftniks, in 1964 the AFL draft went 26 rounds for its eight teams while the NFL draft went 20 rounds for its 14 teams. In 1965-66 both leagues went to 20 rounds. Beginning with the first AFL-NFL common draft in 1967, the draft went 17 rounds from ’67-76, 12 rounds from ’77-92, 8 rounds in ’93, and 7 rounds from ’94 to present.

  34. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    I remember 17-19 rounds for all the years from about ’63 to ’69 or so, scjoe, but I’d have to check my old Jet programs to be sure…

  35. By Byrdman on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe – I use Google Chrome, it can translate Chinese and about 50 other languages, but cannot decipher illogical or nonsensical rants.

    I think slowly, incrementally over the last month (seems like years:) we’re getting closer to agreement.
    Hypothetical NFL 53 man roster that loses 5 players and replaces those 5 with FA’s – Is that team Built through free agency or built through the draft?
    say the Core of the team is 43 who were originally drafted by this same team and 10 guys leave or drop over dead. Same question?

    I bought a new fridge, sink and faucet, 10 high efficiency LED lights and installed everything in my kitchen (It looks great)

    Would you say I “Built” my house at Home Depot ?
    Or replaced some worn out components?

  36. By Byrdman on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    If my original point was “No Team Ever Needs to Sign ANY FA’s then,
    your classic straw man argument would be correct Scjoe.
    I never said, No team ever won a SB with FA’s on the roster.

    The Patriots HOF QB and most of their starting 22 players were drafted.
    They’re elite SB contenders every year because they draft great players – look what happened when they deviated from that plan and acquired Moss !

    Jets are on the opposite end of the spectrum, a laughingstock assortment of poor drafts, over-rated pics, high priced FA’s, and dollar store castaways who miraculously overachieve and reach the playoff’s every decade or so.

  37. By scjoe on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, no, your original post did not make the statement that “no teams ever have to sign free agents” but a couple of those I was “debating” did make statements to that effect, at which time I countered with the statement that it is mathematically impossible, with contract expirations, cuts, retirements, and injuries to fill your roster without signing UFAs, That’s It! Is that a fact? Absolutely! Do ALL teams do it? Absolutely! Was I right on taking that stance? Absolutely! Have I said in many recent posts that I do not downplay the importance of the annual draft? Absolutely! Have I said that free agency is a resource for every team every year just as the draft is? Absolutely! Is that considered an illogical or nonsensical rant?

  38. By scjoe on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Thank you Randy for that clarification. I must be getting senile, or at least getting way up there in age, because I just didn’t remember the draft going that many rounds in those years you indicated. I’m sure I will be reminded of it by 64 and GaryC.

  39. By scjoe on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, the statement that the NE Patriots “draft great players” is one that can be debated. i.e. Just a couple of years ago they had a draft which included 2 #1s 2 #2s and at least 2 #3s You do remember that. Exactly how well did that work out for them? Before that draft I was scared to death of what may happen, not so much after it. NE is an elite, and perennial contender because of a hand full of players (my opinion) one in particular. Yes, that one in particular was an original draft pick for that particular team, not the case with Denver and N.O. Both who went on to do pretty well with a FA QB. Are we beginning to close the gap?

  40. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, my turn to chime in here. I agree with what Tom and Byrdman are saying. There is a big difference between the Jets and the Pats outlined above. Every team will sign UFA’s every year. It’s just a matter of when. There are different types of UFA’s and they get different $$ amount depending on when they sign. There are blue chip high priced UFA’s that usually sign for big bucks right at the beginning of free agency (no discounts!). Typically they go to teams looking for that edge to get them to the superbowl, or they are offered so much money by a bad team they can’t turn it down. These teams have lots of $$ under the cap or don’t need to sign a lot of players to fill their roster. You then have the better than average players,

  41. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    again to help a good team try to get over the top and make the playoffs or SB. Then you go to the next you have the average guys that fill roster spots. These guys typically sign later in the FA period and you can get some bargains, like what the Jets are doing now. They are looking for players to plug some holes. They have no need to sign high priced guys now as they are nowhere near making the playoffs, but they do need some solid starters or depth at bargain rates. These guys are also signed frequently after the draft because depending on how the draft goes, you still might need to fill holes or gain depth. Many times instead of signing average retreads, teams take their chances on undrafted UFA’s and try to find a diamond in the r

  42. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    rough to get a starter or needed depth or a ST player or two. In essence, all teams will sign some type of UFA, depending on their salary cap situation, their own evaluation of their SB or playoff chances, or just being able to have a complete 53 man roster that can compete to some degree every Sunday. Great teams are built through a few drafts with a few great free agency signings, period. The Jets have not drafted well the past few years as they haven’t drafted any great players, just a bunch of average guys. Jury is still out on Coples, Wilkerson, and Davis, but don’t think any of them are going to be in the HOF anytime soon. Of the 11 defensive starters last year we only drafted Wilk, Pouha, Devito, Harris and Revis. We did better

  43. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    on offense, but still most are average except for Mangold and Brick. We had Greene, Sanchez, Keller, Moore, Mangold, Slausen, Brick, Kerley and Hill. I think I am correct on both sides, but if I added or forgot anyone, let me know. So, we really only have about 3 players that could possibly have a shot at the HOF with Mangold, Brick and Revis, and I think Brick is a long shot. We need alot more of these types of guys to be a contender! Gotta get them in the draft. It’s too expensive via free agency!!! Plus, if you pay too much for a few core players, you can never have enough money to bring in extra free agents when you are close to making it to the big dance.

  44. By GaryC on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe,and how did Manning and Brees become free agents,because to make room for high draft choices,Luck and Rivers,precedent is served.

  45. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    I hope this makes some sense of the UFA discussion and why the Jets are doing what they are doing. Just read that Tampa and Jets are close to a deal. I would rather have 1st and 2nd pick in 2014 draft, rather than a 1st round pick this year and a 2nd round pick next year! We will need to draft a QB in the first round next year and it will be a much better QB class!

  46. By GaryC on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe,it is foolish to say that only the draft helps teams nowadays,but what you cannot contradict is a team that relies more on the draft is more successful then teams that do not,Back to Idzik,yes he has to bite the bullet this year because of previous signings of free agents from the Tanny regime.One other thing,the only reason a quarterback reaches free agency is because he is past his prime and a replacement who has been drafted takes his place or injury concerns,as in Brees.

  47. By Byrdman on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe – no I wouldn’t place that in the “nonsensical rant” file, too many “absolutely s” but otherwise nice job. I like the way you resisted the urge to hit the caps-lock, shows restraint:D

    I disagree with your claim that its “mathematically impossible” to fill a 53 man roster without signing other teams FA’s.
    It’s not easy, that’s why GM’s get paid the big money.

    My observation is the top 5 teams in the league use FA players like that
    Fire Extinguisher in a public school hallway…
    “Break Glass use only in case of Fire”

  48. By Byrdman on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    RANDY – what is your take on the Draft vs Free Agent debate ?
    Is it is Mathematically Impossible to build the roster exclusively
    through the NFL Draft ?

  49. By Randy Lange on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, I feel strongly both ways.

  50. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks for the info on the draft, Randy, and no, scjoe, the idea isn’t to punish posters for mere memory lapses — after all, I forgot how many teams the NFL had expanded to by ’64! However, I will say that despite good pts on both sides, you haven’t posted anything yet that matches this monstrous blast of truthful insight from Byrdman: “Jets are on the opposite end of the spectrum, a laughingstock assortment of poor drafts, over-rated pics, high priced FA’s, and dollar store castaways who miraculously overachieve and reach the playoff’s every decade or so.”

  51. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    That is, scjoe, when I said maybe 8 NFL teams in ’64, I was really thinking more like 6 or 7 in each division but couldn’t remember exactly when the Saints and Falcons came in — that’s REAL pre-Alzheimer’s thinking for ya!

  52. By SCfromNY on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    I realize it would never work because trading for players and pics is what FA is about. BUT logically the draft should be first and then you fill in with FAs.
    Then the draft pics would be for next year. Yes, there are a lot of downsides to this plan and it will NEVER happen. I just think it would make more sense. First you see what FAs you need after you draft instead of what draft pics you need after FA. Just a little morning thought.

  53. By scjoe on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, you may disagree that it is mathematically impossible to fill a roster without the use of FAs but it is quite obvious that every GM of every team, every year, feel differently. Now, even if in some remote case where a team only loses a few players and don’t have “a need” to go the FA route, they usually do anyway. It seems that all of my “debating partners” come back with the same argument that the NYJ are polar opposites of the NE Patriots. First of all I don’t agree with that theory, every year is it’s own entity, and secondly, what is your collective points? It has nothing to do with my position (which by the way is a fact) that teams use free agency as a resource EVERY year, including both of them.

  54. By scjoe on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, as much as you hate to hear this, I am going to go back to the team you hate to hear about most, as an example to prove your statement above dead wrong. Of course that team once again is the NE Patriots, they happen to use free agency as much or more then anyone , do you consider them to be successful? I just know you are going to counter with the argument that NYJ are polar opposites of the NEP. To which I would reply, “if the NYJ used the FA resource a little better, they wouldn’t be polar opposites”.

  55. By scjoe on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, OK, you gave your reason why a quality QB becomes an UFA. I guess you already know that I would disagree with that reason. Drew Brees was going in to his 5th year in SD, hardly past his prime. So, he became an UFA and the rest is history. Same with Julius Peppers, and if I took the time to do the research (which I don’t intend to do) there would be many more, for many different reasons, such as the salary cap.

  56. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Great, truly encyclopedic take on the Jets issues, Dr. Frank! SCfromNY, that’s an inspired idea about the draft before FA. And hey Randy, thanks for really goin’ out on a limb there about the draft vs FA! (Just kiddin’ ya…)

  57. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Believe it or not, scjoe, I’ll back you on the Brees analogy. I knew the Chargers gave up on him too early and if we were still close now, I’d have no problem with the Jets getting him. Unfortunately, we’re about as far from close at the moment as anyone in the league, i.e. see those NFL power rankings the other day? (I’m in full agreement with them.)

  58. By GaryC on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe,Brees was coming off the shoulder injury when he went for that quarterback sneak,there were doubts about him after that,why did they go for Rivers,please answer that one.

  59. By scjoe on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    64, until I get some type of a logical response, I guess I will keep asking this question. Why is what Byrdman or GaryC or yourself says about the NYJ being on the opposite end of the spectrum (what spectrum I’m still not sure of) but why would that be construed as “truthful” but yet my point, and the real hard FACT, that EVERY team signs UFAs EVERY year can not be construed as truthful. Now, without going off subject, and without comparing the NYJ roster to the NEP roster, please, and I mean PLEASE, just answer THAT particular question. Is the statement that “every team signs UFAs every year” a total fabrication?

  60. By scjoe on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Dr Frank, impressive analogy of what you think free agency is all about. Different FAs get a different amount of money, contenders signing a couple of choice FAs to put them over the top, some teams have lots of money under the cap, some teams sign FAs later to enable them to get a “bargain” some teams go after undrafted FAs in order to find that “diamond in the rough” etc. all valid points, but none as valid as the original statement, and point, that I made that “all-teams-sign free-agents-every-year! Nothing which you have said alters that fact, which is the ONLY point I have been “trying” to make. Contenders sign FAs bottom dwellers sign FAs everyone in between signs FAs That is gospel.

  61. By Ronbo on Mar 23, 2013 | Reply

    Dr.Frank,great job my man.That was well thought out and very well delivered.
    BYRDMAN, while I agree with you on drafting vs. signing F/A’s I do think its at least almost impossible to do it exclusivly one way or the other.With the rookie salary pool limited to only 5 mill its crucial to have as many players as possible in their original contracts.The problem is only the first 3 round guys get 4 year deals while picks 4-7 are only on 3 year deals.At some point you have to sign f/a’s.(even if only your own?)

  62. By Byrdman on Mar 23, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe – Let shine the White-Hot light of scrutiny at your claim that its Mathematically Impossible to maintain a 53 man roster solely thru the draft.

    When you break down all NFL teams FA acquisitions from 2006-11 and calculate the teams win percentage in that window what can we conclude?

    Detroit Lions grabbed 35 FA’s (the most) and ended up with the lowest win % .313
    The ghost of Matt(forget defense, lets draft wideouts every year)Millen will haunt this franchise forever.

    The top 6 teams with the Fewest FA’s featured 6 that were among the leaders in WIn %
    Packers with 3 (that’s less than 1 per year 0.5% to be exact) win % 688
    Colts had 4 FA’s and their win % is skewed by Manning’s injury .638
    Cowboys 6 FA’s .588 cont>>>

  63. By Byrdman on Mar 23, 2013 | Reply

    It’s also noteworthy to point out that the claim I’ve made here that our beloved Jets are on the opposite end of the spectrum compared to NE can be illustrated by the draft strategy we employed under Tanny
    In a 3 year span the Pats drafted 33 players to Jets 13
    think about that…20 more than TBomb who gave away picks like party favors to move up and draft Sanchez in 09 rather than stay put and grab a Josh Freeman or better still Clay Mathews. Then he mortgaged the future to move up and grab a RB, WHAT legend did Mr T think was worthy ..Walter Payton, OJ Simpson, Adrian Peterson?? drum roll //////// Shonn Greene
    The hits just keep coming Vlad, Kyle Wilson. John Connor
    Lesson; Gamble and move up but MISS you go down in flames !

  64. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Temporarily on the Sidelines on Mar 23, 2013 | Reply

    Make no mistake, sjcoe, nothing wrong with signing some FA’s, but the devil is in the details. Knowing that a few big FA’s as starters won’t solve our problems anymore, Idzik’s going for cheap ones that can be either back-ups (Garay), part-timers (Barnes), or sleepers (Goodson and the dreaded Heyward-Bey). Once we have about 12 or 13 new, blue-chip starters — including, yes, AN ELITE QB! — we can start going after the V Jacksons, E Reeds, and the like once again.

  65. By Dr. Frank on Mar 23, 2013 | Reply

    Love your last post Byrdman! So true! Scjoe, I don’t think anyone here doubts that some types of free agents are signed every year by every team. What most are saying is don’t overpay for mediocre talent and take your chances in the draft and then sign undrafted free agents or leftover free agents that were not signed early to fill out your roster. After a few years, if you draft wisely and cultivate your draft picks, you will not have to sign as many free agents and the ones you do need to sign are marquee players to help you win a super bowl.

  66. By Byrdman on Mar 23, 2013 | Reply

    We’re in the midst of March Madness so allow me to use a basketball analogy to illustrate how my point destroyed Scjoe’s “Impossible” claim.

    Watching Gary’s 3 point shot rattle in and out, Scjoe positioned himself to grab (what he thought would be) an easy defensive rebound…

    Then SUDDENLY… out of Nowhere Byrdman comes SWOOPING in,,,
    Grabs the Ball AND Scjoe in one motion KABOOOM Thunderously Slam Dunks both through the rim absolutely blasting the backboard to DUST!

    A court-side spectator’s grim reaction:
    “I haven’t seen such epic carnage and destruction since I had the
    unfortunate experience of watching Rosie O’Donnell attack the
    desert island at Old Country Buffet “

  67. By scjoe on Mar 23, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, you neglected to mention NE in that group of FA signings, a team that is as active in free agency as anyone, and I think it would be safe to say they have had some success over the past decade or so. Also, during that particular time frame you mentioned, how many teams had NO UFA signings?? Further, it has been established that the NYJ, especially under MT, hasn’t drafted well OR made any significant moves in free agency that could be classified as great, I have never disputed that, so it is difficult for me to understand why everyone keeps throwing that point at me.

  68. By scjoe on Mar 23, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, in my opinion, it was a severe miscalculation on the part of the SD Chargers to let Brees hit free agency. Either that, or they have the worse core of team physicians out there then anywhere else in the free world. Brees was not as unhealthy (shoulder) as you may believe he was, if he were how do you explain what he has accomplished since leaving SD?

  69. By scjoe on Mar 23, 2013 | Reply

    Randy, as you know, it has been my contention that every team goes out and signs UFAs OR in some cases RFAs every year, regardless of where they were in the standings. Is there a way to research, check, or confirm that statement that you are aware of? I would LOVE to see the ratio of teams that do sign them as opposed to teams that don’t. It just may surprise some of my critics.

  70. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Temporarily on the Sidelines on Mar 24, 2013 | Reply

    To speak in old Roosevelt track-bum terms (I wasn’t one but too many of my friends were), scjoe broke and fell way behind you for a joke, then he made a late rush, but you went three-wide on him with the point about NE and all those draft picks. That was one of my main complaints at the time, where in the world the Jets, of all teams, got the idea they could limp along with 3 or 4 picks a year when one of the NFL’s powerhouses was stocking as many picks as they could get.

  71. By scjoe on Mar 24, 2013 | Reply

    Wow, what a surprise, slowly, very slowly, but very surly, people are beginning to acknowledge the “fact” the point, and the ONLY point that I have been making for the past month now that Every–Team–Signs Free–Agents–Every–Year! Sure, there are still those breaking down who signs who and why, and for what price, and all the other blah, blah, blah, that I NEVER disagreed with in the first place. Then we have byrdman who rants about how he “destroyed” my impossible claim, so, tell me byrdman, using this years Jet team as an example, down 12-15 players how do they replenish their roster without using free agency? Or, you can simply answer this question, Does-Every-Team-Sign-Free-Agents-Every-Year? Just a 1 word answer please.

  72. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on the Mend on Mar 25, 2013 | Reply

    The devil is in the details on FA’s, scjoe. I think part of the reason you got the reaction you got from some of us was due to that first post of yours after we’d let go a bunch of mediocre guys — I believe Ronbo called it “bitter” — that we absolutely don’t need. As one witty fellow on ESPN just posted:
    “Notice how none of the dreaded Jet cuts have landed anywhere else. How are we ever going to replace guys that aren’t going to be on NFL rosters next year?”

  73. By Byrdman on Mar 25, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe – I inject a little humor into these blogs to break the monotony – makes being a Jet fan a bit more endurable. You should try it.

    It (sounds) like you’re trying to paint me into a corner here with your
    “1 Word Answer” request but – NO

    The Green Bay Packers built a SB team (2010) without the need to
    acquire 1 or more FA’s every year. In that same time span the Lions went
    on a Feeding Frenzy gobbling up 35 FA’s
    Which team would you prefer John Idzik use as a model for building the Jets, the Packers or NFL’s Football Follies ?

  74. By ronbo on Mar 25, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, I dont know of any team that “never signs F/A’s so I’m thinking Randy is not gonna get back to you on that one? As I just got back from a brief weekend away I’m seeing more of the same argument.Considering how sharp guys like you,Byrdman & of course our “Grand Wizard’64 are I’m kind of surprised how long we’ve beat this dead horse?Especially as almost everyone involved has made good points.I still think the way to do this is primarily through the draft but augmentation through selective F/A’s when the need is there.

  75. By rasorjam on Mar 25, 2013 | Reply

    Best regards from Jets Nation, Department Germany!!! Looks like we will see a completely new Jets style in the upcoming season, I hope Idzik and Rex will have a lucky hand during the diverse draft rounds…Jets need a deep refresh on both sides of the ball…Nevertheless,I trust these responsible guys: I am convinced they will build a surprising Gang Green next season with a still above average defense and a west coast offense that may frigthen our rivals more than one time. With having an eye at your current poll I am astonished to see a larger portion of the votes preferring a slow and sorry to say fad Jarvis Jones. Dion Jordan is the much more athletic guy. I hop the jets will get a grip on him. gez. rasorjam

  76. By scjoe on Mar 25, 2013 | Reply

    Ron/Byrdman, OK, I agree we have beat that horse to death. I think I got my point across “eventually” I was going to ask Byrdman one more question as to whether or not he was 100% sure that GB didn’t sign ANY FAs of ANY kind that year, whether it be UFAs RFAs OR undrafted FAs. But because we ALL beat that subject to death, I will not ask. How is that for injecting a little humor Byrdman.

  77. By ronbo on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    RASORJAM, welcome dude!!! Good point about the OLB situation.Here’s the thing,I always tell people here that stopwatches & bench presse’s dont make plays on a football field! If you think Ray Lewis ever ran any better than 5.0 you are kidding yourself.And he certianly didn’t do it anytime recently.The eyeball test is always the one I believe in.Now dont get me wrong,I would love to see Deon Jordan in green & white!He is a stud.I think what most os here believe is that choice is only a problem if it presents itself to us on draft day.I would be happy with either of them!But again,welcome and please come back here.

  78. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on the Mend on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, scjoe’s just bent out of shape ’cause we’re losing Heyward-Bey to the Colts. Welcome aboard, rasorjam!

  79. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Most mock drafts have Jordan going early and Jones dropping to where the Jets will have to make a decision on him. His poor showing at Geogia’s Pro Day may cause his stock to slip. I am just wondering if he did this on purpose so that he would fall to a better team lower in the first round….LOL! I sure hope that Geno Smith is drafted before the Jets have their pick. I would hate to see them waste it on him. I actually hope they draft a guard at #10, as a few good ones should be there like Womack and Cooper. Things can change before then, especially if Revis gets traded and we get picks this year, although I prefer them next year!

  80. By ronbo on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Dr.Frank, great point about Ginop Smith. He’s not my guy either at that spot but I dont think it would be an unmitagated disaster if we went that way. I’m still a J.Jones guy(i’d be fine with D.Jordan too) as Jones simply makes plays.OLD’s are rerely asked to run 40 yd sprints during the course of a game.As I said earlier,stop watches dont sack Q.B’s! You simply cant draft a G that high because no matter how good they are they cant block 5 guys alone

  81. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on the Mend on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    Don’t be surprised if the Jets draft a QB this yr and next, Dr. Frank and Ronbo, like I just said on the lead story. When you’re QB-poor in a QB-driven league, looking for the answer in a big way is no sin. Idzik seems to get it that the QB position needs to be attacked in search of a high-quality replacement, not tolerated by way of Rex’s truly unhinged assessments and pronouncements. Besides, only old-timers like me remember that the Jets actually drafted BOTH Namath AND Huarte in the same yr.

  82. By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Mar 28, 2013 | Reply

    Tom, if you remember, I did post on this site what I thought the Jets should do with their 7 draft picks. It may be on a different thread. Personally, I think the Jets Brass likes Nassib and wants him in the second or third round, depending on what happens. They even may take someone else at QB. My point was,I don’t think they should waste a first round pick on a QB this year. They have other needs at other positions which are as important or even more important. At this point, I would rather seem them draft a blue chip OG, OLB or S before a QB, maybe even 2 OG’s since OL is strong in this year’s draft, while QB is weak. Whoever we draft or play needs to not be running for his life all year like what happened last year.

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